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Speaker 1: This is the me eater podcast coming at you shirtless,

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Speaker 1: where you stand with on x okay, uh, Mr Shard.

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Speaker 1: On the drive over, I was asking you about how

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Speaker 1: how I've heard your name pronounced so many ways over

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Speaker 1: the years, and you laid it out for me. How

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Speaker 1: would have been pronounced where you grew up? Yeah? Hell yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is an audio project. Okay, my game is evil?

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Speaker 1: Should we not? Because uh but but because I hear

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Speaker 1: even just for normal regular American pronunciation, your avon Ivan? Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In fact, there's a route and you'll simity called Kunyard

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Speaker 1: Kunyard kun Yard that sounds like a place down in Mississippi. Orsi. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's so Avon, not ivon Avon Von. I don't know

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Speaker 1: whatever you want. I feel like you get the call.

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Speaker 1: You get to make the call to be in your

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Speaker 1: name and everything. Well, if I was in Canada, be evon,

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Speaker 1: but try von. Yeah, and uh, your mom you have

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Speaker 1: the same We're you saying, were you saying that your

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Speaker 1: that your mother has the same name, Well, it's HER's

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Speaker 1: his y v O n n E, which is von m. Hmm.

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Speaker 1: It's like a slightly more masculine version, right yeah. And um,

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Speaker 1: you grew up, you grew up in a French speaking household, right,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was. I was in Lisbon, Maine, and

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Speaker 1: Is that still the case today? No, I don't think so. No.

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Speaker 1: With television, everybody's speaking the same language now. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I went to grammar school there and and

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Speaker 1: to grammar school. What do you mean, like elementary school? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: elementary school, yeah, and uh you know it was run

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Speaker 1: and then then we, uh we sold everything that we

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Speaker 1: houbs hanging off the side of the truck and well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean my mother had put up canned

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Speaker 1: I remember, I mean my first lesson about philanthropy. I

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Speaker 1: remember how we were going by the Navajo or Hopie

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Speaker 1: western immigration. Yeah, this is or something and World War

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's forty five. So anyway, Yeah, there was

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Speaker 1: back in Maine. Yeah, back in Maine. Yeah. So I

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Speaker 1: And you had you had quite a few. You had

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Speaker 1: older siblings, right, Yeah, they were all much much older

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Speaker 1: and you're eighty now, and your siblings are gone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you want to do that, like you never made it,

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Speaker 1: the often, uh say that you're a blacksmith. Well yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I started that's my craft is blacksmith. And uh,

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Speaker 1: hell do you get drafted? They had a draft. Everybody

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Speaker 1: So you're drafted or not? Were and you're not? I

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Speaker 1: So they say you have to South Korea. Yeah. They

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Speaker 1: all about seventy five times? Seventy five times? Why don't

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Speaker 1: you do new routes? Was why? Because it's just perfectly

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Speaker 1: answer for me being that you grew up in Maine

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Speaker 1: just not made out of like forged iron anymore. Right, No,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't interested in falcons. I was interested in short

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Speaker 1: for what, well, the goss hawk at at hunt on

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Speaker 1: rabbits and uh, coots. We had some flooded alfalfa fields

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Speaker 1: duckhead sex. Yeah, that's right. So yeah, from falcony, I

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Speaker 1: going on, girls you couldn't find them. Then it also

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00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: became you could go to another bar and didn't it

424
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: didn't destroy the whole night. That was like, honestly the

425
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: first minutem, like you know, these people might be onto something.

426
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: When I got my first cell phone. Well, in Iceland,

427
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: you can get an app. Or you're hitting up on

428
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: a girl in a bar, and I'll tell you whether

429
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: she's a customer or I recently had a guy right in.

430
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: He we have people right in with a lot of questions,

431
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: and I don't even see a fraction of them. But

432
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: one guy rolled in and he said that if you

433
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: could wave a magic wand, which is I like any question,

434
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: it begins that way. He said, if you could wave

435
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: a magic wand and make cell phones, not only make

436
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: cell phones go away, but make it that they had

437
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: never existed, would you do it? Yeah? And the well, yeah,

438
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: that that part that you made it they never even existed.

439
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: I would do it. The have just go away? Now

440
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: it would be tough because then I'd be like, well

441
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to you know, find your friends. You become

442
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: a martyr. Yeah, but had they never existed? Because I

443
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: was I liked I just I feel like I did

444
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: better in life when things are different. You know, when

445
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: you had to go down to use the card catalog

446
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: at the library. I used to be a really good

447
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: researcher because I was better at libraries than people what's

448
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: the library? You know, this place you're going on here

449
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: to use the computer when you're out of town, you know.

450
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: An I got another question for you, and then they're

451
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna get into the crow. Um what you do before

452
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: we get too far, because I have a little follow

453
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: up question ahead. I want to know what that single

454
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: fly was. Yeah. Yeah, it's a fish and tail and

455
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: partridge soft hackle and it's one of the oldest flies ever.

456
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's um is that the fly you can

457
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: tie entirely with a pheasants tail almost except for the hackle,

458
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: which is partridge. Oh, I got you. Yeah, And it's

459
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: very simple. It imitates every mayfly, imitates every cats fly.

460
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: And I've used it. Uh bone fits for bone fish

461
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, it's the best bone fish fly I've

462
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: ever used. What size for a bone fish? Oh about

463
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: eight or ten? It depends, you know, And I wait

464
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: him a little bit. But you know with bone fish, Uh,

465
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: what's what's happened bone fish? You know, they they learned

466
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: from from mistakes as opposed to humans, you know, and

467
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: now they've been hit up so much that any flash

468
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: that they see they freak out. And so you know,

469
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: you're throwing out a crazy Charlie or whatever, and it's

470
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: got all this flash and the silver hook and everything,

471
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: and you give it a strip and the bonefish just

472
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: blow up and out of there. It's a flash. And

473
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: so I tie these uh it's a brown fly, and

474
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: I tie it on a brown hook, and I used

475
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: longer hackles, and so the hackles kind of go in,

476
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, in and out like a like a jellyfish

477
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: or so, and so it's really a track. They'll come

478
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: from twenty ft away to hit that fly. And so

479
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, I spent a whole year with that fly

480
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: on different sizes, and I caught Atlantic salmon, I caught steelhead,

481
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: I caught bone fish, I caught California perch. I mean,

482
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: I caught all kinds of stuff with that fly. And

483
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: I at the end of the year, I had caught

484
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: as many fish as I ever cut catch. Yeah, you

485
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: didn't suffer around the fishing, and I had I learned

486
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: deep knowledge about that fly. I mean it's kind of

487
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: like by deep knowledge, I mean, you know these navigators

488
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: that that can sail across, these Polynesian navigators to sail

489
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: across the Pacific with no compass of sexton there electronics nothing.

490
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: They've got to get a deep knowledge about what is

491
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: going on. And if you ask them, well, how do

492
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: you know that's going on? How do you know to

493
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: turn here? They can't explain it to you. It's down

494
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: deep and and I I learned some things about using

495
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: the action of the fly that I can't even describe

496
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: to you. Sometimes it's just an innate feeling when you

497
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: hear about the Polynesian navigators and the things they know

498
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: deep down. The thing I always wonder about is what

499
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: the attrition was, Like, well, that's interesting. It had to

500
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: have been overwhelming, man. You know what like the people

501
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: that were you know, they're finding you know, when they

502
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: were colonizing, like the Hawaiian Islands and other places where

503
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you're colonizing places that are thousand miles away? How many

504
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: how many young like how many young groups took off?

505
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: And not never nothing? It would be fascinating to know, man,

506
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: But things in ways like the using birds and then

507
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: like also I think like cloud formations to identify you

508
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: know that you look at clouds and tell that they

509
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: had broken up in a certain way or formed in

510
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: a certain way passing over land. But man, the people

511
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: that must have been lost at sea. Well you know

512
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: that the ultimate is when it's it's cloudy, it's clouded over.

513
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: They can't see the guy, there's nothing going on. They

514
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: get there's no winds and they lower themselves off the

515
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: side and try to feel the current with their testicles.

516
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: Is there, right, minor kid, I guess technically mine are

517
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: two man and yeah, Honty too, right? Yuh uh? You

518
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: know talk about fishing with the crowl a bit. That's

519
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: like a it's an educational thing you do, right, yeah,

520
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean did you do that as you? Is it

521
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: as as your company? Or now are you and your

522
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: company the same thing? No? No, I just do it personally.

523
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: And I've been teaching the simple method of fishing to

524
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: women and children. I won't teach guys because the guys

525
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: just especially if they already know how to fish, they're hopeless.

526
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: They won't listen at all. There's two kinds of guys.

527
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: You tell them, okay, cast forty five degrees downstream, swing

528
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: and give a little twitches and if you don't get anything,

529
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: take two steps down. There's the guys that will stay

530
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: in one place all day and expect you know, a

531
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: different results sometimes, and then the other ones that take

532
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: ten steps. They will not take two steps. And children

533
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: take two steps. Women take two steps. But you don't

534
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: like be un told what to do. I know, I know,

535
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: but I I love teaching kids. And yeah, I can

536
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: see that. Man. Kids, it's frustrating because they snag you

537
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: and snag everything and lose all the stuff. Not if

538
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: you keep it simple, not if you get rid of

539
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: that real and uh, you know what I mean. Just yeah,

540
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: And they have a twenty ft line and a simple

541
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: fly and and as long as they get the line

542
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: in the water and the lion straightens out and they

543
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: give it a little twists, they catch a fish. Why

544
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: the crow Oh, it's just because I have a friend

545
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: there who works with the crow nation there. And uh,

546
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: it's a really uh it's a tribe that has a

547
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: lot of problems. And the kids, I mean the kids

548
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: that we had on this last group the last couple

549
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: of days. Um hadn't left the house. We asked him

550
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: when was the last time we went outside. They just

551
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: looked blank at us and said, I don't know. They

552
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: just they live on you know this, you know, one

553
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: of the best rivers in America. They have all this

554
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: wild land. They just sit there and watch television and

555
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: play their game boys, and they're all from broken families.

556
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: And I mean the kids that you're instructing. I mean,

557
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: there's some really really sad stories, really sad stories. Is

558
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: that like the dissociation with wildlife or in dissociation with

559
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: the nature that you see there. Oh, it's it's far

560
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: more than your average white man in in New York City.

561
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean there's Yeah. Do you feel that

562
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: when you take people fishing? Do you feel like you

563
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: when you when you go there and take kids fishing

564
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: on the Crow Reservation, do you feel like it winds

565
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: up being an isolated thing in their life or do

566
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: you feel that that you have you ever have you

567
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: had it where people were kind of like turned something

568
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: on and um and you feel that they might go

569
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: on to I've heard from their parents, the ones that

570
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: had parents us or their grandmother or whatever whoever was

571
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: raising him, that it did have a big effect on him. Yeah.

572
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: Not that they become fisherman per se, because you know,

573
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: they're not fisherman, they're buffalo hunters. You know, they never fished.

574
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: They probably don't even like to eat fish. But you know,

575
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: I like, let me give you example I had a

576
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: eight year old boy. This is three years ago. Everybody

577
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: caught fish, and for no reason whatsoever, he did not

578
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: catch the fish. He was just having a bad day,

579
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: you know. I have bad days like that where he

580
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: just can't catch a fish. And so I took him

581
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: under my wing and we walked over to another spot

582
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: and bam, he catches a fifteen inch rainbow, beautiful on

583
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: a tin car, I mean, and um, I said, what

584
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: do you want to do with this? Oh, I'm gonna

585
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: kill it. They eat it great, you know, they don't

586
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: play with their fish like we do. They want to

587
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: eat it. And so and then he catches the sixteen

588
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: inch brown and we kill that. And then he catches

589
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: his seventeen inch rainbow, I mean, huge rainbow. So now

590
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: he's on fire. Yeah, as and he said, I don't

591
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: want to kill this one. I said, well, how many

592
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: is in your family? Said? Five? And you don't want

593
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: to kill it? No, I want to release it. I said,

594
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're not only a great fisherman, you're

595
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: a great conservationist. So we put his fish on a branch,

596
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: you know, Tom Sawyer style, and walked back to the

597
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: car and the cards that everybody was waiting there. At

598
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: the end of the day, he shows up with the

599
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: biggest fish of all and he had a grin from

600
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: ear to ear, transform transform his life. Maybe, I don't know.

601
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: Did you teach your own kids to fish? Yeah? Do

602
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: you like to fish? Yeah? M hmm. Yeah, and my

603
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: son hunts and my daughter doesn't hunt. But my son hunts,

604
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: and he doesn't, you know, he's he was a bore

605
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: on her for a while shooting boards with the arrows

606
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: bow and arrow, and then he got too easy, so

607
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: then he went to a spear. Then that got what

608
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: he does. He drives him into the ocean, into the

609
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: surf and then goes after him. So the spear got

610
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: too easy, so then he went in just with a knife.

611
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: And he couldn't find his hunting knife one day and he, yeah,

612
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: got a kitchen sp what doesn't have a hilt on it,

613
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, And he went into to get this board.

614
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: His hand pretty good. Yeah, he cut his tendons on

615
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: his two small fingers. That was a big his back

616
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: honting with a bowing Did so you live between Wyoming

617
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: and California? Yeah, I love Yeah, it's been half the

618
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: year in Wyoming, half year in California. Do you view

619
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: those states as being, um, you know I vieme as

620
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: being almost uh polar extremes. Oh. Absolutely, I mean Wyoming

621
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: is the most regressive rednecks state in that country. I mean,

622
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: don't even bother voting the earth unless because there's nothing,

623
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing nobody to vote for. You know, the conservative

624
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: Republicans are gonna win every time. Yeah, but you know,

625
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I like the I thought Governor Mead would he did

626
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: some good stuff. Man, I like that guy. No, he's

627
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: a climate denier. Oh, he is total climate denier. He believes,

628
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: you know, the future whelming and it's coal, and he's

629
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: and you know, he's he's uh, he's lost in the

630
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: last century. And um, I mean, you know, Wyoming, but

631
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: you enjoy being there. Yeah. But the thing that pisces

632
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: me off about Wyoming and Utah is that there's no

633
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: stream access laws. The homeowner owns to the middle of

634
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: the river and it forces you to float the rivers.

635
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: You can't even put an anchor down. Yeah, I agree

636
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: with you about this part of the Wyoming criticism. That's horrible.

637
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: And you know, there's no catching release in Wyolming. It's

638
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: a catching kill state. It's a What do you mean

639
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: by that? You mean that there's no you mean, like

640
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: where it's you mean there's no areas where it's illegal

641
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 1: to retain a fish, like no designated catching release water.

642
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: The stream access thing is a problem. Oh, that's that's

643
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: the worst thing there is. I mean the idea that

644
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, the landowner owns all this rain that comes

645
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: down off the out of the sky, and it's horrible.

646
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: And nobody protests, especially the fishing guides have got a

647
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: good deal going because because they got a drift boat.

648
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: I'll spend the whole summer. I'll I will not fish

649
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: out of the drift boat, and so I walk everywhere,

650
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: and um, I won't see another guy walking. They're all

651
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: paying six dollars a day to float down and and

652
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: stare at a barber and with a nymph on the end.

653
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's a total deterioration of the art

654
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: of fly fishing. It's awful. Why don't you just bop

655
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: north a little bit and set up shop in Montana

656
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: where we have fantastic stream access laws. That's where I

657
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: spent most of my time. Yeah, I do. That's why

658
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: he's on this road trip now, Dude, People burn the

659
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: state down if you took away stream access laws here man.

660
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: People are used to it. Well, people try, people try

661
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: to his landowners. You know, it's just it's just the

662
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: American thing where you you homestead a little piece of

663
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: land and put a fence around it, not to keep

664
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: anything in, but to keep everything out, keep everything out.

665
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean, compare that with Sweden.

666
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: We're you know, first of all, Sweden is there's no

667
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: road within eight of the coastline, so you don't have

668
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: a thing like going on in Malibu where you can't

669
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: even see the ocean because of all the houses. And

670
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: then you're allowed to go on any private property to

671
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: pick berries or to hunt or whatever, as long as

672
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: you're respectful and nobody objects to that. You know, Scotland

673
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: they have almost it's almost the opposite of what we

674
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: have because in Scotland they have right to rome. You

675
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: can go anywhere you want, which there's you know, something

676
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: pretty nice about that from the perspective of someone who

677
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: doesn't own property. But what they really what they did

678
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: to make it not um a utopia, is that the

679
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: landowner owns the wildlife. So they have they have they're

680
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: basically cock eye from what we are, you know, completely

681
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: sideways from how we approach it. I always knew, you know,

682
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: I always knew about your company. UM. And I became

683
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: interested in you a little bit long, long time ago

684
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: where I was in Patagonia, the region I can't remember

685
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: who he was, was with some dude and he was

686
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: from down there and had worked for your company at

687
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: some point in time, and he was telling me that

688
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: you like to hunt and growing up doing some hunting.

689
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, like, that can't be true. UM.

690
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought that, but to surprised me,

691
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: He's like, no, man, he was insistent. UM. And then

692
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: I a couple of years ago you came and you

693
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: went to the back Country Hunters and Anglers Rendezvous, and uh,

694
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: they have an event. I told a story at this

695
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: about getting charged by a bear, and you got up

696
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: and told some stories, and uh, and I realized that

697
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, when someone you can tell when someone's talking

698
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: about wildlife and talking about hunting and talking about fishing,

699
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: there's a way that you can tell that it's very

700
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: real for them, and that it's you're not just drawing

701
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: from isolated things that happened, but from a life of immersion.

702
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how you just tell. I can just tell.

703
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: Most people can tell. And then there you told an

704
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: interesting story. I don't uh what I would like if

705
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: you re shared it. Where you're talking about, um, something

706
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: happened with your daughter in a road killed deer. Well,

707
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: it's not even a hunting story. It's just a kid's story.

708
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: It's like a child raising story or whatever. Well. I

709
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: raised my kids to, you know, respect life and like

710
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: like in the sixty nine oil spill in California, there

711
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: was all these birds on the beach curry and oil,

712
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: and they were you know, they were going to die,

713
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: and people are going around poking them with sticks and stuff.

714
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: And I had me and my kids would go out

715
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: and pull their heads off, you know, take them out

716
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: of their misery. And there was a fore gone conclusion

717
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: they were dead. Oh yeah, there's nothing you can do

718
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: for him. And then, you know, like one of the

719
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: biggest lessons I taught my kids. One day, my wife

720
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: comes home and said, somebody just hit the sage grouse

721
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: on the road and bad. I packed my kids in

722
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: the car and off we went and got that sage grouse,

723
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: brought it back. I showed him how to clean it,

724
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: and we cooked it and ate it. And then I

725
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: showed him how to tie a fly with the feathers,

726
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: and then we went out and caught some fish with

727
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: the feathers. And so they know not to waste anything

728
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: and also to eat wild game. And so my daughter

729
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: when she was a teenager, her and her uh, her

730
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: brother and another girl, we're going to a party. And

731
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: they were addressed to the nines and their party clothes

732
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: and stuff, and and they they hit a deer and

733
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: the thing was still alive. And so the first lesson

734
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: is you don't put it out of its misery. So

735
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: they're trying to break his neck. What's with their party

736
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: clothes on? So using the bird strategy, Yeah and right,

737
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: and so the thing finally dies. And so the next

738
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: lesson is you don't waste to meet. So they're trying

739
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: to stuff in their car. And then California's illegal to

740
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: pick up road kill. You know it's not no in Montana. Yeah,

741
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: I think California, just California, think, is my right? Johnnie?

742
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, check me there they are or did

743
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: they're fixing two? Or did legalized road kill in California

744
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: where they're losing their there. They're loosening restrictions Oregon. Also

745
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: in Montana recently do we grew up eating road killed deer.

746
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: It was like this, there's like a little system. You

747
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: justly give you the permit. Yeah. So anyway, they they

748
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: are trying to stuff in their car. Here comes the

749
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: highway patrolman and he says, what are you guys doing. Well,

750
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: this poor dear is is suffering and it's still alive,

751
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: and we're trying to take it down to the Patagonia

752
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: has a wildlife you know, we bring in injured raptors

753
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: and stuff and and on your campus. Yeah, and and

754
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: so the guy says, no, it's illegally, you have to

755
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: leave it here. And so yeah, so I mean that's

756
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: a that's another less I tell him that, you know why,

757
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: I through your teeth. But we also have this this

758
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: raptor center, and we have a lead little license to

759
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: get roadkill. So when the highway patrol runs across the

760
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: road kill, they they call us and we go and

761
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: pick it up. And and then um, so that's what happened.

762
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: And then in the end I end up with the backstraps. Anyway,

763
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting, I just found out the other

764
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: day is I got a friend Mitch Petrie in uh.

765
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: We're texting the air day. That's when you send a

766
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: message on your phone. UM, and he was out fishing.

767
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: He lies in Minnesota and he was out fishing, uh

768
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: for bluegills for a for a rafter rehabilitation center where

769
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: apparently they got some very finicky ospreys and the bald eagles. Well,

770
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: they gotta feed him fish. They Yeah, you gotta go

771
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: out and get him. He's like there there's particular girls

772
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: are delicious. Yeah, he'll bring him, he'll bring Yeah, he

773
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: goes out and get something. They like those fresh blue gables.

774
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: Do you if passed uh SB would go into effect

775
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: in do we gotta get hardcore behind that man? The

776
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: last time we got No, we've gotten into two. We've

777
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: gotten into two initiatives. When they're trying to ban um,

778
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: they're trying to band trap and on public land in Montana.

779
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: That was That was a bummer. And we need to

780
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: get real vocal about legalizing road kill in California. I

781
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: feel like we need to burn some political estimated twenty

782
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: deer hit on California roadways annually a want of meat. Yeah,

783
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: of course, you know the people to kill one, I

784
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't have no idea what to do with it. And no. Yeah,

785
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: but you mosty the people to eat road kill aren't

786
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: the people that hit it, the people that come in

787
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: behind them. The story just ya just hit got a

788
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: road kill moose and someone else hit You know what?

789
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: The hell kind of person hits a moose and doesn't

790
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: want it? You know? Craig Matthews and I stopped for

791
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: every road killed bird for the for the feathers were

792
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: we were with Dan O'Brien, you know, the buffalo rancher,

793
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: and he called his goouls. Hey when you when you

794
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: moved out to California, we're a young kid, um, you

795
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: became a diver, Is this true? Yeah? I was just

796
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: I was a spear fisherman, free diver. And in those

797
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: days we made all our own stuff, you know, made

798
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: a waist belt out of ammunition belt from sal from

799
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: the army store, and melt down my own lead batteries

800
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: and put weights in there then and make a little

801
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: quick releas thing out of a door hinge, I mean

802
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: to get your belt off and hurry. Yeah, And we

803
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: made everything, and there was no wet suits or dry suits.

804
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: There wasn't anything at that time, and so I'd go

805
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: to the Army store and I bought a flight suit.

806
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: And these flight suits are wool complete, you know soon

807
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: and it has wires in it because you know, they

808
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: plug it in. But that's okay. So I would wear

809
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: wool to dive. And we we had fins and uh

810
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: we had masks, but we had to make our own

811
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: spear guns and stuff. And in those days, the lot

812
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: of the limit on lobsters, I think was ten lobsters

813
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: and five abalone. And I was diving around Malibu and

814
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: every time would get our limits. We're doing just for

815
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: personal use, they're commercially personally. I got a fourteen pound

816
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: lobster one time. That's a big I mean, it took

817
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: all my strength to hang onto it. I mean these

818
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: things are strong, because I got no wrastling match with

819
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: one one time out in the Channel Islands. I don't

820
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: know how big it was, but I was astounded by

821
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: how big it was. And it was like intimidating, like

822
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: you feel the power of it when you grabbed, like

823
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: you feel like it's pull when it was trying to

824
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: work its tail. You know, I don't think it was

825
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: fourteen pounds, but it was interesting. Um do you still

826
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: do that now? No, I have too hold for it.

827
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I've had some I had

828
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: a friend who had a shallow water blackout, had to

829
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: pull his head out of the water. And and then

830
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: I lost a friend, um who got tangled. He was

831
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: a novice diver and he got tangled up in the

832
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: kelp he drowned. And so I you know, and I

833
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: know my limits and what I can do, what I

834
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: can't do. And I gotta kind of irregular heartbeat thing,

835
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: which worries me some. So I you know, I stopped,

836
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: but I used to hold my breath from us three minutes.

837
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: And I practice in high school in math class, nothing

838
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: nothing else to do, that's for sure. I didn't let

839
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: school getting away in my education. That's Mark Twain right. Um.

840
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: When you I read did you ever read you know,

841
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: you know the writer Nick palm Garden. Yeah, he profiled you,

842
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: and there I never understood what he meant. He's talking

843
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: about how you, Um, I currently tell me he was

844
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: describing you as an isolationist. Isolationists he used that. I

845
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: can't really tell it's just political isolation. I don't know

846
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: about trade deals. And stuff. Yeah, explain that to me. Well,

847
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not for this globalism business, and I think

848
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have to hunker down and work locally.

849
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: Did this whole thing of globalizing the work. You know,

850
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: I went to New Zealand forty nine years ago. I

851
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: was guiding, doing some mountain guiding there and and I

852
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: just went last year again, and you know what, they've

853
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: totally lost their culture whatever culture they had, which is

854
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: an English kind of English culture and stuff. Now it's

855
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: subways everywhere. McDonald's, their grocery stores have all the same brands,

856
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: the except for their accent and there you know, they're

857
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: honesty and stuff. It's they're more likely to wear Romeo

858
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: boots than Americans. Yeah. When I flew there, that's a

859
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: long ass plane ride to get off and feel like

860
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: you're like you drove down the road. I know. Yeah,

861
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: it's like that. I was. Yeah, when I go that far,

862
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: I want to get out. And someone's got fat is

863
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: in their hair man, Yeah, exactly. The occasional Maori has

864
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, tattoo on their face. Yeah, but it was

865
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: really a disappointed to see. You know, I've traveled all

866
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: over the world and cultures are being lost everywhere, and

867
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: so that's the part of isolated. That's the part when

868
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: you say isolationism you don't mean, you don't mean in

869
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: America first agenda, but you mean a way that you

870
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: don't want the world to shrink so much. Yeah, it's

871
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: it's a you know, nature loves diversity, nate and humans

872
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: love control and centralization. We try to everything tries to

873
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: pull to the center, which is wrong. Nature is always

874
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: trying to make new species is flinging things all over

875
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: the place and and it's dynamic, and we're trying to

876
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: pull it all together and it's absolutely wrong. And it's

877
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I told Nick that I thought

878
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: it was the end of the American Empire. Um, well,

879
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: how is that linked? Well, I think the country can't

880
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: be governed. Oh, it can't be governed. And the best

881
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: we can achieve now is compromised. Which compromised never solves

882
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: a problem, you know, it's it's leaves both sides feeling cheated,

883
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't solve the problem. It cuts the baby

884
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: in half. And that's um. I mean, we have a

885
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: constitution that's completely obsolete, where you have two centators from

886
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. I had the same power as the two

887
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: centators from California, which is the sixth largest economy in

888
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: the world. Now, California, should you know, should be its

889
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: own country as far as I'm concerned, and um, I

890
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: would vote for it. But Nick Paul Garden says, you

891
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: also cry at Fourth of July parades? Yeah, I do.

892
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't cry at funerals. I've had enough near death

893
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: experiences that it seems like natural, And I don't cry

894
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: at funerals, but I cry Fourth of July praides. Do

895
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: you cry a fourth of live praise because you have

896
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: stirrings of stirrings of patriotism or because you feel like

897
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: something in America has been lost? No? I see, I

898
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: see the little girls out there twirling their batons and

899
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: ship and I cry. I mean, I I just read

900
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: this book by Wade Davis about the early attempts at

901
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: Mount Everest in the twenties, I mean, brilliant book and

902
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: it talks about it introduces each character in the book

903
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: um as to what they did in World War One,

904
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: and that war was so hideous. I'm thinking if I

905
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: was in that war, I'd run away. Yeah, I mean,

906
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: lining these people up wave after wave after wave, and

907
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: keep and you can't break ranks. You can't. You gotta

908
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: be on a straight line. And off you go, and

909
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: you get mowed down by these German machine guns. You've

910
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: got officers who believe in cavalry and swords going against

911
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: machine guns. And one wave gets totally little mowed down.

912
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: And then here he sent another way and another way.

913
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: I'd be out of there so fast. I mean, that's

914
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: an age thing I was having. I had this conversation yesterday.

915
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: I was with my friend Mark, and he was He

916
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: came to my bachelor party, which was up at We

917
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: have a little shack in Alaska, and a neighbor up

918
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: there wanted me to He had a tree that the

919
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: was getting undercut by the tide and he was free

920
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: as gonna crush the stuff when the treatment his big

921
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: spruce went so he had me climb up and knocked

922
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: the top out of it. You couldn't tip it, you

923
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: had to knocked the top get down in chunks. And

924
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: I used to do that professionally a bit in grad school. Oh,

925
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: resident not not not for the timber industry. Residential. And

926
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: I got away from it and became a writer. Um

927
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: and climb back up in that tree, and the minute

928
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: I got up there, I knew I didn't belong anymore

929
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: in the tree. It was terrified. When I used to

930
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: like it, I used to like when you knocked the

931
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: top out of that tree and that things started bucking

932
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: back and forth. I loved it. I was aware that

933
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: you could die or whatever, or you can make mistakes

934
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: and they had real consequences. I didn't care. It was

935
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: just very enjoyable. But then I went up in that

936
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: tree and knocked that top out, and when I got

937
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: my feet down to the ground, my friend Mark was

938
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: talking about it. He's like, I rememberhen you got down

939
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: from that tree, you said like, I will never go

940
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: up and do that ever again. Because whatever it was

941
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: I liked about it, I don't. And that guy us

942
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: talking about with soldiers and we were talking about the

943
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: D Day in patience, but I was like, besides his

944
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: physical fitness, the reason you like send eighteen and nineteen

945
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: year olds up that beach is because they'll go Dudes

946
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: like me, we'll be like, oh man, I don't know,

947
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: let's let's head back. Let's head back. Yeah, you figure

948
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: a better way. Yeah, But but those kids are like

949
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: strong and they'll do it. Yes, all that two stuff wrong,

950
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: and just like I think it's beyond that. It's just um,

951
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean, besides whatever like sacrifice issues god in country,

952
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: it's just um like a kind of a little bit

953
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: of an inability to uh, a little bit of an

954
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: inability to run all the scenarios out to their conclusion.

955
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: And I think about that because I know you used

956
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: to like to climb. You have that you have to have.

957
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you have many friends that died on mountains, right,

958
01:01:50,520 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: did that start to affect you? Um? Yeah, well not

959
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: at the time. No, not really. I mean how did

960
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: you like, how do you view it? You know? Well,

961
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: well the last I mean, we're a really uh. I

962
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: was in an avalanche and in tibet Um in my

963
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: later years of the expedition climbing, and and I was

964
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: I was with my friend Rick Ridgeway and some friends,

965
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: and so we wrote out this avalanche and um, one

966
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: of the guys was, kids, explain what that means to

967
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: ride out an avalanche? I don't really know what that mean. Well,

968
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: you just get caught in the avalanche and and get

969
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: carried down. Wrote it out, like, not using any particular strategy,

970
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: just being pushed by it. Yeah, about a thousand feet

971
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: and and um, when one one of the guys was

972
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: killed broke his neck and the other guy had broken back.

973
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: Ridgeway had some some injuries. I had a concussion and

974
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: and and at that time, you know, I had kids

975
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: and stuff and that that basically did me and I

976
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: had that ruined it for you. Did you have to

977
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: retrieve your friend's body? No, we buried him right there.

978
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, climbers are not the kind of people that

979
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 1: I would call in helicopters and pay for a first

980
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: class ticket to take the body back to you know,

981
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: we just built a Karen and put him in. I mean,

982
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: that's that's where he used today. Yeah. Yeah, so I

983
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: don't know, I can't remember. But you had children, Yeah,

984
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: I had kids, So yeah, yeah, that got me thinking

985
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: twice about it. Um, But as far as friends being

986
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: killed before, it didn't slow me down at all. You

987
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean climbing is you can't take day

988
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: jeer away from climbing. Otherwise it's not climbing, it's it's

989
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: a you know, they're gonna have climbing in the Olympics.

990
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a no risk thing. You take the

991
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: risk away from climbing. It's not climbing, it's it's uh,

992
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: it's it belongs in the sport pages, whereas climbing doesn't

993
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: belong in the sport pages. It's just a different thing. No,

994
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: I understand that loses its soul, doesn't it. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah.

995
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: And you do it. You do it to prove yourself.

996
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: You do it too, better yourself. You know. I've been

997
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: known to say, you know those it's gonna be on

998
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: my gray stone that these guys going up to Everst,

999
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, paying you know, eight five dollars for a

1000
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: guide to be guided up Everest, and they have a

1001
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, a shirpo in front of them with a

1002
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: three ft rope pulling and one behind pushing and carrying

1003
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: the actually oxygen. And then they get in this conger

1004
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: line of two people and yeah, and it's I mean,

1005
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: it's and I say, look, you know the purpose of climbing,

1006
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: like arras or something, is to affect some sort of

1007
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: personal and physical gain. But when you compromise the process

1008
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: away so badly that you know, you're an asshole when

1009
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: you start out, your asshole when you get back, that's

1010
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna be on my crazy, but when you when you

1011
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: grow to love something. We had a guy on one time,

1012
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: um we got into He dedicated his life to wildlife

1013
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: and hunting and writing about hunting, and he talked about

1014
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: the pain of seeing people as you put it, pissing

1015
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: in the cathedral, meaning like you grow to like this,

1016
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: there's something you grow to like so much in it

1017
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: and it and it works, and when you see versions

1018
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: of it that you don't like, you could feel like

1019
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: the whole thing got destroyed or you or you struggle

1020
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: to create a new vocabulary, you know, like like I

1021
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: don't understand why and my person like this, this is

1022
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: my personal world with with sport climbing and climbing would

1023
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: be like canned hunts. Okay, I just would like to

1024
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: me it resembles uh agriculture. It resembles like the it

1025
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: resembles a form of livestock husbandry. And it pains me

1026
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: not so much that it goes on. Okay, it doesn't

1027
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: pay me that it goes on so much unless there's

1028
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: issues with disease and other things that can happen. But

1029
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: it pains me that it's disgusted as hunting and not

1030
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: livestock husbandry because I feel like it taints the thing

1031
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: I like. It doesn't make me not like it it

1032
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: to maybe not like what I like, right, it does

1033
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: maybe like I'm going to quit a version of it

1034
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: that means a great deal to me, because there's there

1035
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 1: are versions of it that are in abomination. You follow

1036
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, so so that to lose. Like if

1037
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: there's something that you if you love something in a

1038
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: certain way, fly fishing, surfing, climbing, if you love in

1039
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: a way and it makes sense to you, Um, when

1040
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: you see versions of it that don't reflect your particular understanding,

1041
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: why does it make it? Why does that taint it

1042
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: in your head? Do you know what I mean? Like,

1043
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: because it's still like you still have what means something

1044
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: to you. Well, it would be like if you know,

1045
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: it would be like if I said I love my

1046
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: wife okay, and I really and I like the and

1047
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: I respect the institution of marriage. You've been married to

1048
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: the same person your whole damn life. So if I

1049
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 1: hear that most marriages and in divorce, I'm not like,

1050
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: we'll screw it now, I'm gonna go run around with

1051
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: my wife. Well, you know, every sport, every institution. Um,

1052
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: I think um deteriorates. You know when when basketball players

1053
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: are all seven and a half feet tall raised the basket. Yeah,

1054
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, my, my, my, when my high school teach,

1055
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: I remember, like, uh, he would have been a college

1056
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: basketball player. And he says he can't watch a game

1057
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: when someone dunks, he has to turn it off. And

1058
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: he says he doesn't watch games very long. You have

1059
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: to purify the sport or whatever it has to be,

1060
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: you know. I mean in Jackson Hole, we've got this

1061
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: so called elk refuge. No, no, that the feeding grounds. Yeah,

1062
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's a feeding ground and it's

1063
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: a it's a stockyard. And the last manager of that

1064
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: thing said shut it down because we're gonna have wasting

1065
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: disease and and and there. You know, the animals are

1066
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: so close together, it's no different than the stock are.

1067
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: They're gonna be passing diseases among each other. Well, it's happening.

1068
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: We've got wasting disease in deer now. And one one

1069
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: came up in Grand Tea town, right, more than more

1070
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: than one and so and then you have you know

1071
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: the hunters are do they have some buffalo hunts in

1072
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: that refuge? And um you know, they drive around until

1073
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: they see a buffalo and the buffalo is just standing there.

1074
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: So it's a it's the kind of hunting that gives

1075
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: hunting a you know, a bad name. I think on that, um,

1076
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: you actually go with a ranger warden to do the

1077
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: animal selection. But I don't know if they view is hunting.

1078
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: I think it's just like a coal Yeah, but they

1079
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: they think it's hunting. Yeah, they use that, the use

1080
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: the language of it around there. Mcgwain was telling me

1081
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: about this guy he knows, uh, he actually wrote a book,

1082
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: this guy and he he used to be an elk

1083
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: hunter and he you know, he'd uh, he got too

1084
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: easy for him, so he decided to hunt elk with

1085
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: a spear is illegal a lot of states. Well that's

1086
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: what he does. And you know you read about the

1087
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: the Indians, um, the own no Indians who used to

1088
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: live in San Francisco Bay and they had a paradise.

1089
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean it had all the oysters they could possibly eat.

1090
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean the bay was just full of oysters. They

1091
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: had every waterfowl and they had deer everywhere. And the

1092
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 1: way they hunted they just put a deer cape on

1093
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: themselves and walk up to and put musk all over

1094
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: and then walk up to a deer, poke it, turn

1095
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: and then you know, shoot him with a short bow. Um.

1096
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty cool. And that's that's the way

1097
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: in every sport. It's it should be going in simple

1098
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: direction rather than more and more complex. And and have

1099
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: you have you done much? Did you ever hunt big

1100
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: game much? I've shot deer, yeah, and I don't anymore

1101
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: because I've got friends like Craig Matthews. I've got two

1102
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: freezers jam practice. I don't eat you know, store about

1103
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: beef and stuff. I eat all game. But I like,

1104
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: like I I've done a lot of pheasant hunting, but

1105
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: I find pheasant really boring. It's just a carrier for

1106
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 1: some strong sauces and so and I'm not too interested

1107
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: in shooting another pheasant because I I hunt because I

1108
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: like to eat the eat the product, and and and

1109
01:11:55,479 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: plus I'm um, you know I eat all this stuff

1110
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: that my hunting friends don't eat, like to delivering the tongue,

1111
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: all that stuff. That's the part I really love more

1112
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: than anything else. When I saw you speak at the

1113
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: b H A deal, if I remember right, you were

1114
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: talking about a good way to learn how to wing

1115
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: shoot is to get a red rider because you can

1116
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: see the baby. Yeah, Lefty Craig taught me that, and

1117
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: that you learn how you learn about lead and stuff

1118
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: because when you're looking down, when you're looking down the barrel,

1119
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: over the top of the barrel, you wind up catching

1120
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: the glint of that. Yeah, you can see the baby,

1121
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: and you learn what those things when they come out

1122
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: of when they come out of a barrel. Yeah, I

1123
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: did that a few years ago. And because I was

1124
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: never taught, uh wing shooting, you know, I just learned

1125
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: on my own. And so left he told me about that.

1126
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: He used to be a Annie Oakley for Remington Arms

1127
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: and he had yeah, the fly caster. Yeah, so he

1128
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: was he was go to these circuses and stuff and

1129
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: he they would throw aspirin in the air and he

1130
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: would shoot an aspirin with the twenty two and then

1131
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: and then you know, show he's a real showman. So

1132
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: hey take a to take a washer and it throw

1133
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: a washer there and it shoots through the hole in

1134
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: the washer, and you know, of course people would say,

1135
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: wait a minute, how do we know you shot? They

1136
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: passed it with mask and tape. No, he put a

1137
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: one cent stamp when they had one cent stamps. Put

1138
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: a one cent stamp in there, throwing the air shoot

1139
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: right through the hole. I said, Jesus, Lefty, how how

1140
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: did you ever do that? He said, Oh, it's cheesy,

1141
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: says you want to be a good shot, get yourself

1142
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: a red writer, Be begun and and get to where

1143
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: the light is just right, and take two sights off

1144
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: and have somebody throw up some beer cans, and and uh,

1145
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: you'll see that you're shooting behind the can every time.

1146
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: And uh, and you know you can't aim. You know,

1147
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: it's got to be instinctive. And so I did. I

1148
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: got I used to have a red writer, but I

1149
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: went out to Stone Drugs and Jackson, Wyoming, and I

1150
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: bought another red writer, and I had my wife shooting,

1151
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: throwing up beer cans. When pretty soon I was getting

1152
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: two out of three beer cans. And that was it.

1153
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home this afternoon, throw some Lacroix cans around. Oh, Mike, Mike,

1154
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: he'll sit there for a long you know, he'll sit

1155
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: there an hour of time, lobbing babies into cans, you know,

1156
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: and you know he sees that, he sees that arc

1157
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: and learns how to aim high. I remember doing that

1158
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: a lot. Uh. You got locked up in Arizona one time,

1159
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: when thrown in jail for eighteen days just for wandering

1160
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: around wondering about aimlessly with no apparent means of support.

1161
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: That was a crime in those days. But how did

1162
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: the whole how did the whole exchange art? Uh? Like,

1163
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: how was it obvious that you were wandering around with

1164
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: no apparent means of support. Well, that's kind of what

1165
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: they get Rambo for in Rambo one, right, he's just

1166
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: walking down the road. They bring him the jail just

1167
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: for wandering around. Look where that got him. Well, I

1168
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: was a hitchhiking back from uh oh you from the

1169
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: East coast and U. It was a long story, but

1170
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: I I this friend of mine and I got on

1171
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: a freight train and uh it was in the winter.

1172
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: It was November as freezing colds and all the box

1173
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: cars were locked. But we got on on a gondola

1174
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: with with cars. They were transporting jeeps, jeep wagons. So

1175
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: we found one wagon that was it wasn't locked, so

1176
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: we crawled into the thing and uh and we ended

1177
01:15:55,240 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: up in uh Winslow, Arizona was a railroad with a

1178
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: flashlight in our eyes, and he yanked us out, and

1179
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: I said, how do you ever find us? So it's easy,

1180
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: I just look for foggy windows. So so we go

1181
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: in front of the judge, and you know, I was hanging. Judge.

1182
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: Thing is, well, you know, you're you're being charged with

1183
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: wondering about aimlessly with no parent means of support, and

1184
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: how do you plead? Said, well, wait a minute, if

1185
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: I plead innocent, what's gonna happen. Well, we're gonna lock

1186
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,959
Speaker 1: you up and you're gonna have to get an attorney,

1187
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: and you know you're gonna be here for for a

1188
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: while till we have a trial. And you know what

1189
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: if we plead guilty, well, we're gonna check you out

1190
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: with the FBI and if you're clean, you know, I

1191
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe a day or two and we'll let

1192
01:16:52,640 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 1: you go. Okay, guilty, okay. Eighteen days eighteen days. Oh,

1193
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. But you know, the thought of

1194
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: ever calling our parents and or anything like that never

1195
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: entered our minds. I mean it was it was a

1196
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: different era than you know, how old were young teens

1197
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: was eighteen and no now it's close to twenty because yeah,

1198
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: and and then you know, we got thrown in another jail.

1199
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: We got thrown in grants to New Mexico for hitchhiking,

1200
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 1: and and uh, it's a long story. But we finally

1201
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: got home and my friend was drafted, got home to

1202
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 1: a draft notice, and then a few weeks later I

1203
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: got drafted too. It's kind of what when you spend

1204
01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: so much time messing around but then simultaneously like old

1205
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: this big ass super valuable company. Um, do you feel

1206
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: that life's about work or do you feel that life's

1207
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: about play? I you know when I when I was

1208
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: a little kid, Um, I could play baseball, you know,

1209
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: as well as any kid. But when it came time

1210
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: to a game with people watching, I couldn't do anything.

1211
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: I'd clutch up. And I learned early on that that

1212
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: you invent your own games and then you can always

1213
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: be a winner. Like like my my kid went to

1214
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: a My son went to US school and in in

1215
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: uh near Jackson, little one room schoolhouse, and two days

1216
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: a week they'd bring in a X marine p instructor

1217
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: and his idea was, okay, kids line up on this line.

1218
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: Let's see who can run the fastest. Let's see who

1219
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: can jump to furthest and my kid, you know, he's

1220
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: like me, he's just going to gandhi. I mean what

1221
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: that does. It's the American way. It produces one winner

1222
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: and a bunch of losers. And and so like you

1223
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: know when when, uh so that led me to a

1224
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: life of nature and how was always I was living

1225
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: in Burbank, I was going down to the l A

1226
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: River gigging frogs and catching crawdads. And I was probably

1227
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: doing that in uh high school prom. You know, I

1228
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: didn't have any girlfriends, and uh so that led me

1229
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: to a whole life. I I've given talks it uh

1230
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: commencement things that universities and stuff where I get it.

1231
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: I got a whole bunch of of honorary degrees and

1232
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: stuff and it's I I tell kids, look, life is

1233
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: a lot easier if you break the rules. Then if

1234
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: you try to conform to them, it's it's a lot

1235
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: more fun and it's a lot easier. And that's the

1236
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: way I've always run my company. So I've never wanted

1237
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: to be a businessman, and so I decided to do

1238
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: it on my own terms in a way that I

1239
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: didn't have to go to work every day, and I

1240
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: didn't have to act like one of these business people

1241
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: that you know, these greaseball businessmen that I did not respect.

1242
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: And so it led to UM, a method of doing

1243
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: business that is different than anybody else. And I'm it's

1244
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, are you surprised that it works? It works

1245
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: unbelievably well. And UM, did that surprise you? I means

1246
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: you have a feeling like no ship it worked. Yeah, yeah,

1247
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 1: that's it. That's exactly and over and over again. I

1248
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: see that reinforced every time. You know, like, for instance,

1249
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, UM, one of my employees,

1250
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 1: you know, I got like now, I got like three

1251
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: thousand employees. One of them just said, hey, on Black Friday,

1252
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: let's give all our revenue away. I said, okay, why

1253
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: not revenue? Yeah, the whole sales everything we like, not

1254
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 1: the profits, the whole revenue. So I said, okay, let's

1255
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: do it. And the year before we've done like two

1256
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars on Black Friday. So we

1257
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: did it, and we advertise it on social media a

1258
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: few days before, and then UM, the word got out

1259
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: and by three in afternoon, somebody called me and said, hey,

1260
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: we're up to six million, I said, really, And then

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01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: by six we're up to ten million. I said, whoa,

1262
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: holy sh I didn't expect that, but I don't care,

1263
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: you know, and um, but what happened is that six

1264
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: of our sales were two people who never bought from

1265
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: us before. And you in business, you can't believe how

1266
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: difficult it is to get a new customer. You know,

1267
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: you could spend five million dollars for twenty second add

1268
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: on the Super Bowl and you will not get the

1269
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: publicity that we got from this and or the new customers.

1270
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. And then I then we thought our

1271
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: sales are gonna go way down after Black Friends. Has

1272
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 1: everybody already bought their ship? Yeah, it just kept climbing

1273
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: and climbing and climbing. Has been climbing ever since. So

1274
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, I believe in karma. I really do believe

1275
01:22:52,920 --> 01:23:01,480
Speaker 1: in it. And you're speaking to Yanni now, Man, Honey, honey,

1276
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. He's a calmer man. Um.

1277
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 1: Back to Nick Capalm Garden. He's a good writer. Yeah.

1278
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: I read a lot of his pieces. He writes stuff.

1279
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: He writes about a lot of stuff, man, but like

1280
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: great pieces about skiing and things. He said, Um, he

1281
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: said that you come across he's talking about not about business,

1282
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: but he's talking about just uh, your lifelong quest to

1283
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: keep wild places wild right, save wild places. He said

1284
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: that you seem quote deeply disheartened, perhaps even defeated. Is

1285
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: that did he hit it right or do you think

1286
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: he missed the mark there? Well? I think I've you know,

1287
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: I've done climbs on every content and footing Antarctica, and

1288
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,879
Speaker 1: I've been all over the world, have been to Africa

1289
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of time. I see nothing but deterioration everywhere

1290
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: in the world. Everywhere. I don't see where anything is

1291
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:17,919
Speaker 1: getting better than what it used to be. And um,

1292
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: that's where I feel defeated, I think. And uh yeah,

1293
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: do you think it's Do you think it's a nonstoppable

1294
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: slide now? Nature is going to take care of it

1295
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,799
Speaker 1: in the long long game. No, probably sooner than we think.

1296
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think these new diseases and stuff they're

1297
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: coming up. It's I mean, we're a peaci dish and

1298
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: we've exceeded our nutrients and and we're on our way

1299
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: out as a species. I think you know, if you

1300
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: think that, okay, we're a special species that you know,

1301
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: God made us in his own image and worse, we're

1302
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: better than anything in nature. And all of that stuff

1303
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: fine and good, but I don't believe that. I think

1304
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: that we're just a species, and that every species goes

1305
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: in and out of evolution and extinction, and and I

1306
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: think we're on our way out. I mean, imagine if

1307
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: we had a serious situation in the States right now,

1308
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: the way people are having to live in Syria, the

1309
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: bombed out towns, how many of us would survive that,

1310
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: How many of us could drink water out of this

1311
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 1: you know sewer practically, No, it would all be dead.

1312
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: We're devolving as a species pretty quickly. And uh, you know,

1313
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm very pessimistic about that, but it doesn't bother me

1314
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: because I have this attitude that we're just here for

1315
01:25:54,520 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: a short time, shorter than would hope, probably, and that's

1316
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: just where it is. And I've had enough near death

1317
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: experiences where I've got I've gone over there the other

1318
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: side and come back and realize that, you know, it's

1319
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: not so bad out there. Um, I actually went. Yeah,

1320
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: you read about these near death where people actually die

1321
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: and then they come back, and then they resent coming

1322
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: back because it was so peaceful and nice over there,

1323
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: So I just accepted that. I think that there's a

1324
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: little bit of a risk with fatalism um because it

1325
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: becomes infectious for other people, younger people. I made the

1326
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: mistake of telling my kids that that the earth's having

1327
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: like a midlife crisis because in four billion years the

1328
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: sun will burnout, and some people say the earth has

1329
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: been solidified for four billion years. So I'm like, oh,

1330
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: we're halfway done. And months go by and my kid says,

1331
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: when the sun burns out and everyone's dead, who can

1332
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: drive us to the cemetery? And he's been talking to

1333
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: this in Maaster. Well, I realized that there's there's viewpoints.

1334
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: There are viewpoints and perspectives that are often just best

1335
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:30,759
Speaker 1: kept within. Yeah. I saw a bumper sticker. I said, dude,

1336
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: what when the rapture happens, Can I have your car? No.

1337
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: I agree that they're too young to understand, but you know,

1338
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: you get to the just Gritta Cernbergs, you know from Sweden,

1339
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: who gets up fourteen years old in front of Parliament

1340
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 1: in London and just reason to riot act And she's

1341
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: not sitting around being depressed, she's kicking ass. Yeah, and

1342
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: that's what we gotta do. I mean, you know, there's

1343
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: there's no difference between somebody that says, oh, it's all over,

1344
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: don't bother and somebody that says, oh, everything's gonna be great,

1345
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 1: don't bother doing anything. Either way, nothing gets done. So,

1346
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we have the biggest crisis human kind has

1347
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: ever had with this global climate change, and it's too

1348
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: overwhelming to grapple with. Most people don't know what to

1349
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: do well because you look and you like it's too

1350
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: overwhelming to grapple with because you're like, okay, no matter what,

1351
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: like whatever we do, there's still China, there's still India. Yeah,

1352
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 1: but so it's like, what do you you know? You know,

1353
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: I learned, you know, mountain climbing is is conquerors are

1354
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 1: the useless? Why why climate? There's nothing up there? I mean,

1355
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: and it's the same thing you want to be fighting

1356
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: for the same of fighting. We're not gonna win, but

1357
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: you gotta fight. And so I'm a happy person knowing

1358
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: that I'm doing everything I possibly can. I mean, I

1359
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: just changed this last year. I changed the mission statement

1360
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: of our company to where it simply says we're in

1361
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: business to save our home planet, and um, so we

1362
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 1: had to sit down and say, Okay, as a business

1363
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: or as one employee out of three thousand, what does

1364
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: that mean to me that my that the company I

1365
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: work for has made this commitment? So how does that

1366
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 1: affect my job? And so every one of us has

1367
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: to say the same thing. If you really believe that

1368
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: global warming is happening, you have to ask yourself what

1369
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: can I do? What should I be doing? Because it's

1370
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: World War three, It's like, you know, the Japanese just burned,

1371
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: just bomb Pearl Harbor. You've got to mobilize the whole country,

1372
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: the whole world and doing this. But yet people are

1373
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: just going around, Well, you know, I'm just one person.

1374
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,839
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And so as a company,

1375
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: we sat down and said, okay, here's what it means.

1376
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: The best thing we can do, because we use a

1377
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 1: lot of natural resources, is work on changing agriculture, going

1378
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: back to a regentitive organic style of agriculture. So we're

1379
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: working on developing a new UH certification that goes beyond

1380
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: organic to where it captures agriculture captures carbon. And then

1381
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 1: you know the other thing we can do is save

1382
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 1: work on saving wild lands, that capture a lot of carbon,

1383
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: especially like swamps and um Like I'm working on a

1384
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: seven fifty acre park at the tip of South America

1385
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: that's all pete bogs and stuff like that, and it

1386
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: captures more carbon than anywhere. And then the other thing

1387
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: is to get rid of this evil government. We're this

1388
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: next election, we are going to be up front and

1389
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: center in fighting those assholes. And it's you know, all

1390
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 1: those climate deniers in the government, they know what's happening,

1391
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: but they're evil in that they're choosing not to do

1392
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: anything about it for the sake of profit and staying

1393
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: in power. That's evil. When you're doing something you know

1394
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: is wrong, that's evil. And so we're gonna be as

1395
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: a company with this new missions to that's what we're

1396
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 1: gonna be doing. And you know we've already started, like

1397
01:31:54,920 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: we've been growing cotton organically for years. In all our clothing,

1398
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: we only use organically grown cat. Well, that doesn't do

1399
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:07,639
Speaker 1: the world any good. All it does is use up

1400
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: space that should be grown for food and stuff. And

1401
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: but and and every time they plow in between and

1402
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: it releases all the carbon that we've captured. So now

1403
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: we started a program in India where we're growing it

1404
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 1: regentatively and organically, started with a hundred and fifty farmers,

1405
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: small farmers, and we talked them into growing cotton um

1406
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: without tilling and using cover crops and composts, and they're

1407
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: using chickpeas and tumeric and and plus we give them

1408
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: an extra tem percent for their cotton. So they're making

1409
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 1: more money and they've ever made and it's they're small,

1410
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: They're like an acre and acre and a half and um.

1411
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: It's just really successful. They get rid of the bugs

1412
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: with lights at night and they go around squashing him.

1413
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. You know, you can do

1414
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: it on a small scale, which is cool because it

1415
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: employs people. One of the problems of the world is

1416
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: we need to employ people. Well, what are they gonna

1417
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: be doing? They all can't be working on computers all

1418
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: day long. So many people want to be small farmers,

1419
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 1: and yet they, you know, they have to compete with

1420
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: this agribusiness. So next year, we've got six hundred and

1421
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: fifty farmers growing our cotton regeneratively and we're gonna be

1422
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: making products out of that. So that's that's my answer

1423
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: to global warming, is you know that that's not that's

1424
01:33:54,240 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 1: not a defeated man. The answer, the solution to depression

1425
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: his action. It's really simple. As long as you're active,

1426
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: you know, then you don't get depressed. What do you got?

1427
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: You got the follower uppers. I'm with you. I feel

1428
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: like when you say I like that new mission statement,

1429
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: when you say the home planet, I feel like, really

1430
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: that segues right into saving because it's not really the planet.

1431
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: Like Steve said, I think in the long run, the

1432
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: planet will short of shake and shrug his shoulders and

1433
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: and it won't think twice about who's been here and what.

1434
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: But if we want a place to live as a

1435
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 1: species for a long time to come, we should probably

1436
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: we should be thinking about how to secure that. You know, well,

1437
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: that's why we added our home planet. Yeah we didn't

1438
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: just say the planet our home planet, man, But I

1439
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: think a lot of I guess my point is that

1440
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't connect the two because I've

1441
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 1: been I feel like I've been saying that for a

1442
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: long times. Everybody's always talking about saving the planet. That

1443
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything to anybody. But when you stay at

1444
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: home planet and you and you connected to like you

1445
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: have to have a place to live. It kind of

1446
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: it hits a little harder. Well, I could tell you

1447
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,879
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be colonizing Mars. In fact, we're wasting

1448
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: so much money and trying to go to Mars that

1449
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 1: we should be using to do some good here. You know.

1450
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 1: I want to start doing some T shirts making fun

1451
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 1: of just in fact, my daughter, who's got a write

1452
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: sense to you humor just like I do, says hey,

1453
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: let's do a T shirt that says fuck Mars. That's it.

1454
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: I love it, and I'm not like, like, you know,

1455
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:51,919
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand the impulse to explore other planets,

1456
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:56,719
Speaker 1: and I think that it's the same impulse that quickly

1457
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: after the African diaspora that quickly pushed our species to

1458
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: all six continents, right, just like curiosity, So it moves,

1459
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: and the fact that it's moved into the celestial space

1460
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me. And it's hard for me to condemn,

1461
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: but I love it when you do press people on um.

1462
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: So like you suppressed people on what do we really

1463
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: get out of planetary you know, exploration, space exploration. They'd

1464
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: always be like, you know, the teflon on your egg pan,

1465
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: And I was that man, I feel like we put

1466
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: all that money into eggs, we'd have a hell of

1467
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot better pay some derivative, derivative outcomes anything else.

1468
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: You're honest, I'm asking man. You know you got every right,

1469
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: but I just know that you like Um, I don't

1470
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: know if you have any if you had any uh

1471
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 1: karma observations or anything. Oh no, I don't. He likes

1472
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 1: keep quiet about that. You know who doesn't believe in karmel?

1473
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: Do you read Cormack McCarthy. Yeah, you're a Cormack McCarthy.

1474
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: Ask person. He's pretty severe, dude, there's no KRM in

1475
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: those books. Man, Evil pays off, evil pays off. He's

1476
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,799
Speaker 1: he's a depressing guy. Oh man, Yeah, I'd be real curious.

1477
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: If I could have a conversation with one person on

1478
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: this planet, it would be Cormy McCarthy. Yeah. He's kind

1479
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 1: of hermit. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if he You know?

1480
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 1: All right, Well, do you any was there anything you

1481
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: were dying to talk about that I didn't ask you about.

1482
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to, like, I

1483
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,560
Speaker 1: don't want to drag it out and where you to

1484
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 1: get back to meat eating? Go on? You know, I

1485
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 1: got part of a company called Patagonia Provisions, and and

1486
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I owned forty nine percent of a bison ranch over

1487
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: and shout, Dakota along with Dan O'Brien. Yep, he wrote

1488
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: Buffalo for the Broken Heart and so um or no,

1489
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: what the hell is that book called? Yeah, that's one book. Yeah,

1490
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: he's he's written a several books, but um, that's the

1491
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 1: most famous one. And so he does it all naturally. Um,

1492
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 1: we just leave him alone and um harvest him in

1493
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 1: the field, shoot him with a copper bullet right in

1494
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 1: the brain and they dropped, and the other one's just

1495
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: continue grazing and then we butcher them right there in

1496
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: a tractor trailer. And so it's a really natural process.

1497
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: And those buffalo have a choice of eating three different

1498
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: um grasses and forbes and wild flowers and things like that,

1499
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 1: so they're getting a really very diet. So we wanted

1500
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 1: to test them as to the nutrient content of that

1501
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: meat compared to somebody who takes their bison and takes

1502
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: them to the stockyard in Colorado and feeds them on

1503
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: GMO corn soybeans. I don't think you can do that,

1504
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: can you? What? No, you can't. I think that isn't

1505
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: there a thing where you can't um They don't. It's

1506
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: not grain finished. Yeah, no, that's what a lot of

1507
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: ranchers do, the grain finish them. I thought there, okay,

1508
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: go on, I thought there was some I thought that

1509
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: the Growers Association had certain things where when you see

1510
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 1: meat labeled, when you see like bison sold, it carried

1511
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: with it certain parameters. Now you can feed them anything

1512
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: you want. And so we I'm really interested in in

1513
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: micronutrients and your gut biome and all that stuff. So

1514
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: we we did a test and ours is, uh, well,

1515
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 1: the one the one that are finished on grain have

1516
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: twelve fat, of which most of it omega six fat,

1517
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: which is the bad fat. You know, if you take

1518
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: a petri dish and you put omega you put cancer

1519
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,799
Speaker 1: cells in there. You put omega six fat, it grows

1520
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: the cancer cells like crazy. And so it's twelve fat

1521
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: and omega six fat. Ours is three percent fat, mostly

1522
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: omega three fat. Omega three will shrink the tumors and

1523
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 1: um plus the potassium and calcium and the forty five

1524
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: minerals that are that they've identified the essential for your

1525
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 1: health are all in our buffalo and they're not in.

1526
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 1: You are what you eat, you know, and when you're

1527
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:55,480
Speaker 1: eating a grass fed beef, you're getting way more nutrients

1528
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: than if you're eating a grain fit beef. And like

1529
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 1: we you know, I have a woman who works for

1530
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 1: me who used to work for Sunset magazine and and

1531
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 1: they is still around, still around, and they used to

1532
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 1: have chickens. They are feral, and they had you know,

1533
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: bright orange yolks and real firm and whites. And they decided,

1534
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,760
Speaker 1: this is years ago, they decided to test the nutrients

1535
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:34,640
Speaker 1: compared to organic eggs nine times more vitamin D. I

1536
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 1: mean it's just organic doesn't have that. I mean you

1537
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: can find anything. Organic doesn't mean ship, No, it doesn't

1538
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 1: mean anything. In fact, yeah, rattlesnake venoms organic. Yeah, I

1539
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 1: mean chickens are omnivores. Chickens are dinosaurs, little dinosaurs. If

1540
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:52,959
Speaker 1: they were bigger, they would eat you if you stumbled

1541
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 1: and fell to chicken man, he knows, he knows this

1542
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 1: whole world. So they need to eat those stink bugs

1543
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 1: and worms and stuff uff like that. So if they

1544
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: do that, the nutrients so those eggs is off the chart.

1545
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: Because when you're feeding just grain, whether it's organic or not.

1546
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: They're not getting the proper diet. And so we've been

1547
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 1: working with a guy U. C. L A who wrote

1548
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 1: a book called The Mine Gut Connection, and our gut

1549
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: biom is so depleted compared to hunters and gatherers that

1550
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: it's only about of what it should be. You know,

1551
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:39,679
Speaker 1: a hunter gatherers have heard there's one tribe in Africa

1552
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: that's still hundred gathers. They have between eighty and one

1553
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 1: thousand different things to eat, and they eat like this,

1554
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, just picking this and that and and and

1555
01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 1: when you sit down with a steak of baked potato

1556
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 1: and a sell, this guy says, you're starving yourself. You know,

1557
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: if you eat a spinach as opposed to kale, you're

1558
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 1: getting different nutrients. And it all comes from their starting

1559
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 1: to realize, like, look at grapes, Okay, wine wine grapes

1560
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 1: in Central Valley and California grow caberty Sono grapes and

1561
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: you get eight hundred dollars a ton, and it makes

1562
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, plunk wine. Two hundred miles further north, you

1563
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: get up to thirty dollars a ton, same grape. So

1564
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: what's the difference. It's all about the longer growing season.

1565
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 1: The longer the great matures, the better wine. It makes

1566
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 1: a quick maturity, and a hot climate makes ship wine.

1567
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: All these polyphenols that make taste are missing. And um uh.

1568
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 1: I know a guy who's bought a farm in Italy

1569
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: and it had an eight year old olive trees in

1570
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 1: her and so he tested the olive oil from those

1571
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: trees and it's so full of polyphenols. And that's what's

1572
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 1: really good for your gut. That's what's so good about

1573
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean diet is all these polyphenols and olive oil.

1574
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 1: It's off the chart compared to the younger and that's

1575
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 1: because the longer the roots, the more nutrients you get.

1576
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, modern wheat has roots like eight

1577
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:39,679
Speaker 1: inches deep, and we've been working with uh wheat called

1578
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: curns that's a perennial wheat. The roots go down fifteen

1579
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: feet and we tested the nutrients and that off the

1580
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 1: chart compared to normal wheat. I think I struggle with

1581
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: this and and like you're speaking to me because I

1582
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: eat like a highly varied diet and we actually have

1583
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: a gut biologists or there's a doctor that specializes and

1584
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 1: stuff that she wants some. It samples off me and

1585
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Yanni because we need so much, We need so many

1586
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 1: weird things, need so much wild game. And I'm looking

1587
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 1: forward to getting that back. But then the thing I

1588
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 1: think about is now knowing now that I know so

1589
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: many families where they're real wealthy and their food obsessed,

1590
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 1: and everything they eat is so carefully selected, and their

1591
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 1: children aren't allowed to eat this and that processed, and

1592
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 1: they can't have sugar and ship and they never had

1593
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 1: a pop and all they eat is kale all day.

1594
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't see them spinning off these amazing physical specimens.

1595
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,680
Speaker 1: But then you have people who are coming out of

1596
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:41,639
Speaker 1: like you have people who are coming out of inner city,

1597
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 1: broken homes who went up becoming uh professional athletes who

1598
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 1: are the most physically capable, powerful individuals you've ever seen.

1599
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 1: Or that you go to people like the Incan Empire

1600
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 1: where they ate potatoes and the accomplishments there and impoverished

1601
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 1: people planes Indian tribes eight three things. And when you

1602
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 1: talk when you read about the U. S. Cavalry discussing

1603
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 1: the way that like at the Battle of the Little

1604
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:21,799
Speaker 1: Big Horn, the way that those people moved through their ranks,

1605
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: like a wolf through sheep, Like I feel it and

1606
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:27,759
Speaker 1: I hear it, and I'm like and I and I

1607
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 1: think about it. But then I just never see when

1608
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: you look at the population in general, I never see

1609
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: where you have uh, really wealthy people who have the

1610
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,719
Speaker 1: luxury of food choice that they're like so much tougher

1611
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 1: and ship like. In fact, I often kind of see

1612
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: that they seem weak. Their kids are riddled with allergies,

1613
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So like I want to

1614
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 1: believe it, but when I look, I don't see it.

1615
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 1: It's it's puzzling to me. Like i'd love to say like,

1616
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: but I just like, I just like it's hard for

1617
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: me to grasp, you know you as military is it's

1618
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 1: really worried right now because they can't get anybody to

1619
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 1: sign up for the military who can pass the physical seven.

1620
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 1: That's not because that's not because of how deep the

1621
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 1: roots on we are. That's because of what they're doing.

1622
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 1: What they're doing, what they're doing physically, well, it's it's

1623
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 1: the number one cause they're rejecting seventy something percent of

1624
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: people who want to be in the military. This isn't

1625
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: a draft where you get every loser physical fitness well,

1626
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: number one is allergies. Number one causes allergies because these

1627
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 1: kids have never played in the dirt, you know, and

1628
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 1: they're they're allergic to all kinds of food. Allergy. You

1629
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: can't have that in the military. Numbers too cause of diabetes,

1630
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 1: which is you know, food based, food based number obesity,

1631
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 1: it's all based on food. And you know, they're going

1632
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: to spend two hundred fifty million dollars in the next

1633
01:47:57,240 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 1: couple of years trying to get people to join the military.

1634
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 1: But it's I talked to this professor U C. L. A.

1635
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 1: Henry Meyer Emeron Meyer, and I said, well, what can

1636
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 1: you do about building up your gut by them, because

1637
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: all these immune diseases that we're getting from Parkinson's, you know,

1638
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 1: a l S and everything, it's it's all in your gut.

1639
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: And he said, well, forget about probiotics. It's the best

1640
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 1: thing you can do is have as very diet as

1641
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 1: you possibly can. Be a graezer. And you know that's

1642
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 1: what I do when I walk by a wild rose bush, always, Papa,

1643
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, one end, because I eat dandelion as I

1644
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 1: eat you know whatever. And I try to do that

1645
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 1: as much as I can and he said, that's the

1646
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:58,639
Speaker 1: best thing to do, and then eat, um, you eat meat,

1647
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: but it's small amount. And uh, he says, well, you know,

1648
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. But he did

1649
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: say ten years from now, we'll be looking back and say,

1650
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 1: I can't believe we used to prescribe antibiotics. Man, I've

1651
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 1: been pretty I've been pretty sick and laying in the hospital.

1652
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna be making You're gonna be making a fortunate

1653
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 1: I hear ship pills. Yeah, maybe I don't want to

1654
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: give him one. I don't mean yeah, I don't mean

1655
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: to trivia, that's what you're saying. But it's just like

1656
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 1: I try so hard to make it make sense. But

1657
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,479
Speaker 1: then I imagine, like if you went to you know,

1658
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,160
Speaker 1: like if you went and got the kids out of

1659
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 1: the swankiest, the most philosophy riddled private school in l

1660
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:55,559
Speaker 1: A and then went and got a bunch of hard

1661
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 1: farmers kids out of Nebraska. Those hard farmers kids kicked

1662
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 1: the ship out of those kids. So it's like, I

1663
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: just like, it always is puzzling to me, man, But

1664
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 1: but I do I think but von saying is that

1665
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: those hog farmer kids might be getting more of what

1666
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: he's saying, is good than those other kids held a

1667
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 1: lot more dirt. Yeah, they're getting more nutrients. You know

1668
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 1: what they're getting the exercise Stanford Universe. He did a

1669
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: study in two thousand thirteen. They studied organic vegetables and

1670
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 1: our organic vegetables. They just went to a supermarket and

1671
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 1: got organic carrots and non organic carrots. They found no

1672
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 1: difference in nutrients. That's the thing that people don't understand. Like,

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01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 1: I think that there's a big misnomer around what the

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01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 1: hell organic means. That's right. You could like you could

1675
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 1: do like you could have a hydroponics establishment and give

1676
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:45,600
Speaker 1: a carrot only what it needs to become something that

1677
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:48,760
Speaker 1: resembles the shape of a carrot and be organic. That's right.

1678
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:52,640
Speaker 1: Hydroponics now can be organic. And all you're doing in

1679
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: between crops, as you're adding liquid fertilizer and you know,

1680
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:00,639
Speaker 1: just a few soil moments, you're not replaced all those

1681
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 1: micronutrients that were only discovering how important they are. And

1682
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 1: whereas regenitive organic uses cover crops and composts, so in

1683
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 1: between crops, you're replacing that. And so if you go

1684
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: to a supermarket and you taste a carrot that's organic

1685
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 1: and one that's not organic, and they taste the same,

1686
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: they have the same nutrients. If one taste better than

1687
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: the other, the one that tastes better has way more nutrients.

1688
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: A wild strawberry that's you know, quarter inch across yesterday

1689
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 1: has more nutrients then just gigantic, hydroponic or organically grown strawberry.

1690
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, there's a direct correlation between taste and

1691
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 1: total nutrients. Yeah. Man, when you grow your own carrots

1692
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:54,679
Speaker 1: at home and um is not even the same thing.

1693
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: Man should come up with. Remember you're talking about like

1694
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,080
Speaker 1: when you're doing a can hunt. As you come of

1695
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 1: a different word for it. There should be a different

1696
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 1: word from when you make it when you grow a carrot. Oh,

1697
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:06,960
Speaker 1: you can say that for tomatoes. You can say that

1698
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: for cucumber's, strawberries, and the strawberries that we get in

1699
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 1: our garden. I mean they just they blow your mouth up,

1700
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, and then you go to the store and

1701
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 1: they're hard and flavorless. Let me tell you what's wrong

1702
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,640
Speaker 1: in the world. I'll say you from one anecdote, what's

1703
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: wrong in the world. When I was living in Seattle,

1704
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 1: I uh identified this little slope in my yard and

1705
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 1: put in, Uh, you should back up and say that

1706
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 1: you just transformed what you had, what what was there

1707
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 1: when you got there, because that's a part of it, right.

1708
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 1: But like your house was set up for like fancy

1709
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 1: urban landscaping. Yeah, and it was like it was kind

1710
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 1: of we had the kind of place where you get

1711
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: like a lot and they build the house. They over

1712
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 1: built a lot so bad, like the house took up

1713
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: so much the lot that they were invited the house

1714
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 1: would have been in violation of having too many non

1715
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 1: permeable surfaces, so they had to put in a permeable

1716
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 1: driveway in order to have it not exceed non permeable

1717
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 1: surface status because it's a hell of lot of rain.

1718
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't if you've heard comes down to Seattle now

1719
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 1: and then um anyhow I put in, I start putting

1720
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 1: in the strawberries and whatever it is, I don't know,

1721
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:28,680
Speaker 1: man about why. I mean, this is something it This

1722
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 1: thing was like you couldn't keep up with the strawberries

1723
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 1: in here, best strawberries you ever ate, tons of them,

1724
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 1: couldn't keep up with them. And they were just like yeah,

1725
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:39,759
Speaker 1: I was like, man, these things are gonna wip cracking

1726
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: the foundation on this house. How these strawberries went. And

1727
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 1: we sold that house. We live there not too long

1728
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 1: sold it, and my neighbor it was like, man, those

1729
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:53,640
Speaker 1: new people took out the strawberries, and I'm like, I

1730
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:58,440
Speaker 1: just can't picture, you know, I mean, God bless him. Uh,

1731
01:53:58,520 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know the first thing about I'm sure the

1732
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 1: great people probably broken down inside the rold. They probably

1733
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:07,639
Speaker 1: you know, jump out and help you. But um, yeah,

1734
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine, like the the view that like, oh,

1735
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 1: here's the thing you can eat and it's just growing here.

1736
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:19,599
Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't there. Yea, I wish I wish

1737
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 1: there wasn't something there that made like a great thing

1738
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 1: to eat. That's what I like these things more than

1739
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 1: likely because who doesn't like a strawberry? But I would

1740
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,759
Speaker 1: rather just go down to Whole Foods and buy the tasteless.

1741
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 1: The world would be better if those berries were not

1742
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 1: growing there. But yeah, we used to have a weeping willow. Man. Um,

1743
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 1: we had a weeping willow on our yard on our

1744
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 1: beach when I grew up, grew up as a kid,

1745
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 1: and muskrats a den under it because they had roots,

1746
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:55,600
Speaker 1: structure and bullheads would like back into the muskrat dens

1747
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 1: and lay eggs and everything in the world. And remember

1748
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 1: the old man getting sick of raking the leaves and

1749
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 1: got rid of that weeping willow. And there's not on

1750
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 1: my lake where I grew up, which was ringed by

1751
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 1: weeping weeping willows. There's one. There's one weeping willow that

1752
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 1: I know about, and it sits in front of a

1753
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 1: kid when I was growing up who was named Justin Russell,

1754
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 1: and his phone number was six death A weeping willows

1755
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 1: left there all right, man, Um, thank you very much

1756
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: for coming on. I've been wanting to have you on

1757
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 1: for a long long time. Well anytime I'm I'm just

1758
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 1: down the road, and you know you got better fishing here,

1759
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 1: and well we can walk around on the stream. We

1760
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:42,240
Speaker 1: can walk our streams. My kid's been probably walk one

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01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:45,960
Speaker 1: right now. Um, okay, thank you again. I appreciate it.