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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm fair Dowdy and I'm to Bline and Chuck Reporting

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Speaker 1: and Delinea. I have a question for you, what's that.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever kept a travel journal? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know you like to travel a lot. I have kept well,

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Speaker 1: I've attempted to, but I usually end up getting them.

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Speaker 1: I have a collection of beautiful journals that have bought

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Speaker 1: throughout the years, and I end up taking them and

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Speaker 1: I fill out a page. And then I realized there's

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Speaker 1: this big competition between actually wanting to do things and

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Speaker 1: having time to write about the things. While I'm on

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Speaker 1: vacation and I'm gonna get back, you get so busy

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Speaker 1: that you just don't have time to rerecord everything happens

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Speaker 1: to me too, if I'm lucky, I'll start writing on

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Speaker 1: the plane ride home and maybe fill in the briefest details.

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Speaker 1: So trying to imagine trying to keep a travel journal

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Speaker 1: for forty years now, and imagine that are expeditions included,

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Speaker 1: not just classic traveler high points, new meals, you eight monuments,

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Speaker 1: he saw people, you met, that kind of thing, but

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Speaker 1: events like wars and rebellions and pirate attacks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: imagine having time for that. I mean, I think I

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Speaker 1: would make time to write about a pirate attack. That

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Speaker 1: would that would warrant an entry for sure, So our

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Speaker 1: subject today. Eveliah Chellaby is a seventeenth century Ottoman gentleman,

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Speaker 1: and he's considered by many people to be one of

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Speaker 1: the world's greatest travelers and by extension, one of the

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Speaker 1: world's greatest travel writers. He kept a two thousand, four

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Speaker 1: hundred folio record of his journeys. He called it the

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Speaker 1: Saya Hotanomy or Book of Travels, and it's the longest

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Speaker 1: travel account in Islamic literature, maybe even the longest travel

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Speaker 1: account in the world. And from about age thirty until

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Speaker 1: his death in his seventies, Eveliah was on the move,

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Speaker 1: and for as long as he traveled, he kept on writing,

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Speaker 1: covering his journeys across rivers of ice in the far

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Speaker 1: northern reaches of the Ottoman Empire, to the Sahara Desert

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Speaker 1: and the Nile River in the south. And because Evliah

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Speaker 1: went to places that many others didn't even bother to

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Speaker 1: key source for archaeologists, geographers, and cultural historians, and that's why,

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Speaker 1: in addition to discussing high points from Evliah's remarkable travels,

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Speaker 1: we're also going to talk about the strange history of

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Speaker 1: the Seahotana May, which, at nearly four hundred years old,

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Speaker 1: is only now becoming an item of world interest. But

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Speaker 1: before we get to that, there was the matter of

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Speaker 1: Evliah's homebound years. Of course, he didn't start traveling until

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Speaker 1: he was about thirty, So we mentioned Evliah was a gentleman,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, his name Chellaby means gentleman, so appropriately enough.

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Speaker 1: He grew up in the cultured atmosphere of the Ottoman court,

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Speaker 1: where his father was the Sultan's chief goldsmith, and his

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Speaker 1: the goldsmith in marriage by the Fulton, who told him,

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Speaker 1: grand Aga, you're an old man in but God willing

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Speaker 1: from this maiden you will have an angel like world

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Speaker 1: adorning son. And sure enough Evil was born nine months

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Speaker 1: ten days after that in sixteen eleven in Istanbul, and

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Speaker 1: he started his education as other children of his class

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Speaker 1: would have, at the Madressa, which was Arabic school, where

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Speaker 1: he would have learned to recite the Koran, become a

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Speaker 1: Arabic plus Greek and Latin, and stories of Roman emperors

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Speaker 1: when he wasn't studying, Eedliah still learned in a different way.

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Speaker 1: He roamed a standbull, watching artisans, exploring mosques, and occasionally

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Speaker 1: even attending court with his father. By his teens, Eliot

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Speaker 1: could recite the entire Koran from memory. This took him

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Speaker 1: one of those recitations, in fact, that he got kind

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Speaker 1: cataloging all this knowledge, this huge platter of things he

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Speaker 1: I mean this kid, this kid knew how to put

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Speaker 1: A silver ink pot studded with jewels, wasn't one notable one?

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Speaker 1: And also a writing board and lay it with mother

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Speaker 1: became especially valued when Murad the fourth was feeling down,

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Speaker 1: Courtiers would hurry evliah In and Murad would say, quote, look,

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Speaker 1: the dispeller of woe has arrived. Sometimes his duties would

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Speaker 1: with such a prestigious position, though minus the spinning. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Everley would really enjoy every moment spent in his hometown

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Speaker 1: seven Clients the four quarters of the Earth. Really just

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Speaker 1: make the travel bug he already had really even more

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Speaker 1: intense ready to go. In addition to his court connection,

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Speaker 1: he found himself with early Islamic saints and the prophet Mohammed,

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Speaker 1: the Ottoman historian Caroline Finkel, this type of dream vision

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Speaker 1: But she also notes that in this case he founds

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Speaker 1: Vizier Melik Ahmed Pasha, and they traveled to modern Ukraine, Sophia, Iran, Iraq, Transylvania, Walachia,

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Speaker 1: after Melik Ahmed died in sixteen sixty two, Evilah no

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Speaker 1: you by an unusual incident on my drive to work

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Speaker 1: this morning. I was traveling down all of Avenue in Burbank, California,

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Speaker 1: when I noticed a strange phenomenon. Whenever I stopped for

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Speaker 1: a red light, my public radio station would fade out

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Speaker 1: into my surprise and delight, your podcast would fade in.

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Speaker 1: I recognized it immediately. It's the second in the H. H.

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Speaker 1: Holmes two parter, an episode I hadn't done without yet

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Speaker 1: and that I'd been anticipating. I thought at first you

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Speaker 1: must have reached a deal to be broadcast on public radio,

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Speaker 1: but later realized what must have happened an other missed

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Speaker 1: in history fan must have been driving the exact same

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Speaker 1: route at the exact same time, using an FM iPod

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Speaker 1: transmitter to listen through his or her car stereo. I

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Speaker 1: don't use an MP three player myself, so it couldn't

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Speaker 1: have been coming from me. To add to the unlikeliness

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Speaker 1: of this event, my public radio station couldn't have been

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Speaker 1: more than point one or point two away on the

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Speaker 1: FM number dial from the unassigned number this transmitter chose

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Speaker 1: to broadcast on, or I would never have picked up

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Speaker 1: its transmission. So there you have it. Burbank is so

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Speaker 1: saturated with listeners that it is possible for us to

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Speaker 1: be driving the same route at the same time, only

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Speaker 1: a car length and a fraction of a radio dial

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Speaker 1: number apart. So I thought this was pretty fun. And

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Speaker 1: also I'm so glad Kathwayne as a listener, because imagine

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Speaker 1: if you started hearing the H. H. Holmes podcast while

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Speaker 1: you were driving to work in the morning, it might

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Speaker 1: be creepy. Creepy would be afraid somebody was messing with me.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that story with as Kathleen.

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Speaker 1: And again, if you guys want to recommend any travel

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Speaker 1: writers your favorite out there, you can email us at

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Speaker 1: History Podcast at how stuff works dot com. We're also

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Misston History, and we are on Facebook

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Speaker 1: and if you want to explore some of the topics

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Speaker 1: we talked about today a little bit further, we have

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Speaker 1: some great articles about travel on our website, including one

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Speaker 1: that's called can Travel Make You Happy? By our own

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Speaker 1: Amanda Arnold, and you can find it by visiting our

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