1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:00,840 Speaker 1: Everybody. 2 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 2: Uh boy, today is a guest that I deeply respect 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: and admire. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: This person. 5 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: We've known each other for a lot of years. She's 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: taken on just such unforgettable characters in films like Freaky Friday, Halloween, 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: everything Everywhere, all at once and Wow. Her performance on 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: the recent TV hit The Bear was spectacular. And if 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: you don't know who I'm talking about, you may live 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: under a rock. Jamie Lee Curtis is coming to the show. 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: Folks, lean in. I'm glad you're here. 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis, Thank you so much for being here. 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for getting here before the actual host. I mean, 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: let me ask you something. Do you exhibit this level 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: of professionalism on a movie set? Are you one of 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: those and this is an absolute serious question. Are you 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: one of those people that comes to work on time. 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: And knows their lines? And uh, you know is are you? 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: Well? You're giving actors a really bad name. Cavin Macon, Hello, friend, Hello, 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: see you. I will tell you this, and I'm only 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 3: telling you this because I read it when it actually happened. 22 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: So I was in a movie called Knives Out movie, 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: a great movie. I was, by the way, a replacement 24 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 3: part and meaning that there was somebody else that was 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: supposed to do it, and then they somehow dropped out, 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: which often happens in movies. And then yes, and then 27 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: I stepped in and had this wonderful experience with Ryan Johnson. 28 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: But at the end of the movie, you know, the 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: movie was great and people loved it. It was one 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: of those wonderful things where people just fell in love 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: with this movie. And somebody asked, Ryan, who is your 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: MVP of the cast, and you know, it's a big cast, great, 33 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: great people, and he said Jamie And they said why. 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 3: He said, well, she was always on set even when 35 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: she wasn't supposed to be in a scene. And he said, 36 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 3: she literally sat at the kitchen table in this house 37 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: from six am until we wrapped every day. And he said, 38 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: so I ended up putting her in scenes she wasn't 39 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: originally supposed to be in, and that was what he said. So, yes, 40 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: I am that person who is at work before everybody else, 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: and I like to stay until everybody is finished. 42 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much I admire that. 43 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm I'm usually kind of the same way, and I 44 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: think part of it is that I just like to 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: be there. 46 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Man. I mean, I just that takes. 47 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: About but that's I love it. I love this job. 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: And the truth is I am a freelance actor, which 49 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: means I'm an unemployed actor for ninety Like the amount 50 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: of time I actually get to do the thing that 51 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: I am known for that I love doing. That is 52 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: my art, that is my work is very very small. 53 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: So when I have an opportunity to be on a set, 54 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: I want to be on the set. I want to 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: watch the whole thing. I want to know everybody. I 56 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: want to know what everybody is doing. And that to 57 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: me is as much a part of it as it 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: is to just do the part where I'm on the 59 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: behind the you know, in front of the lens and 60 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 3: whatever the scene is. So it's really it's it's it's 61 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: actually crucial to me. 62 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: And you talk about the amount of time that we 63 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: spend not acting, which is, you know a lot of 64 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: we spend a lot of time doing other stuff. 65 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: But some people I know, I was going to tell 66 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: music who some people I know play music with goats 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: with their wife, which if that doesn't annoy anybody else 68 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: watching this, you know, it's like by the way, the Island, 69 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: It's like the David Beckham documentary when he dances to 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: Islands in the Stream with his wife in that bullshit. 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: But I mean, can you imagine, Kevin? I said to Christopher, 72 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: I said, Chris, what would you do if I played 73 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: Islands in the Stream and then started to dance and 74 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: asked you to dance with me? You and your wife 75 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: get a freaking room, Kevin Bacon, you have. 76 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: No idea I would. 77 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: I would give anything to see you and Chris in 78 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: the kitchen. 79 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: First of all, Chris Hope for the uninformed, here direct 80 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 3: in a movie that Kevin. 81 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: Is so great in is least well known movie, and 82 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: it really. 83 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: It needs to not be anymore. It needs to be. 84 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: People need to see this movie because if anybody wants 85 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: it's a scripted movie. 86 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: It's true. It's it's different. It's different than the other 87 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: unbelievably brilliant movies he's made. 88 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: But I would always I always tell people this is 89 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: a an out and out comedy. I have very I'm 90 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: a small piece of it because I'm really just the 91 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: straight man. But if you want to know what Hollywood 92 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: really is, this is the movie to really understand Hollywood. 93 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: He just it's called by the way, it's called the 94 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: big picture, and it's about movie making and a young 95 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: filmmaker who Kevin plays. So yes, if you can imagine 96 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 3: Kevin Christopher Christopher Virtue. When I said island's in the stream, 97 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: he said, what's that? 98 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: Then you go really really. 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 3: Like, I have to start to sing it. You don't 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: want to hear me sing. It's awful. Anyway, you and 101 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: your wife can get a room and stay in it 102 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: for a long long time. 103 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Please we listen. We want we like to get well. 104 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: We're you know, being not we're out of work for 105 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: a long time with this strike, and you know it's 106 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: like you're looking for something to do, to just be creative, to. 107 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: Make something other people paint, you know, paint. My husband 108 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: is playing golf right now. 109 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: You to play golf. 110 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: You just you to make love all day every day 111 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: with those watching and without it's just you. People make 112 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: love in every room in your house and you want 113 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: to and you singing while you make love like it's 114 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: best fascinated by you people. 115 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: Okay, enough about our love life. I want to know 116 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: how it feels. Because you mentioned being out of you know, 117 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: spending so much of our time not working. You're I 118 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,559 Speaker 2: would say, arguably busier than you've been in your entire 119 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: career at this point in your life, and we are 120 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: at the same point in our lives and you know, chronologically, 121 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: and I wonder how that feels. I mean, there's a 122 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: lot of people that are pumping the brakes now, you know, 123 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that aren't looking down the road, 124 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: that are saying, you know, maybe I'll just kind of 125 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: do something else or try something else. 126 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: But you are on fire and it's so cool to 127 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: watch as a as a fan. Thank you. 128 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: I'm yeah. And you know, the thing, as we were 129 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: talking about the fact that that we don't work very often, 130 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: you know, actors are incredibly patient. You have to be 131 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: really patient and understand that you just need to suit 132 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: up and show up and do the work whatever it is, 133 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: whatever the job is, to the best of your ability, 134 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: to sort of create a sense of community with the 135 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: people you're doing it with. As I like to say, 136 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: leave the place better for you being there. Leave. Then 137 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: months and months and months go by, sometimes years go by, 138 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: and then these pieces of work come out and either 139 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: they're heralded and people love them, or they're horribly received 140 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: and people ship on them and say that it's the 141 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: worst thing they've ever seen, and then you feel bad, 142 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: and then you go on to the next thing, and 143 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: you just keep doing that, and the patience is that 144 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: it is way out of my hints. I have opened 145 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: myself to my life in every aspect of it, philanthropically, emotionally, spiritually, maritally, maternally, artistically, 146 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: and I have been very lucky because I've had good 147 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 3: fortune and things have panned out, and then all of 148 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: a sudden, you take that little bit of success and 149 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: then you try to ill done it. And at this point, 150 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: I now get to be a producer. I get to 151 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: have a company. I get to buy material and see 152 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: it developed into things. I get to act in things. 153 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: I get to work with people who I would dream 154 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: of working with my entire early life and understood that 155 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: that was probably never going to happen. So I'm trying 156 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: to just stay in the grace of the moment and 157 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: have no expectations. And certainly this last year was not 158 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: in my plan. It was not something I thought of. 159 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: And it's funny because yesterday I have a publicist who 160 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: has been my friend and publicist since I was twenty one. Wow, 161 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: I'm sixty five and she's still a publicist. Her name 162 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: is Heidi Schaeffer, and Heidi and my agent called me 163 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: last summer. Well, no, wait, hold on, this is twenty three. 164 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: The Oscars were in March, so that's twenty three. So 165 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: in the summer of twenty two, I was in Idaho, 166 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: where Chris and I live, where we don't make love 167 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: in the bar like you two. We don't have goats, 168 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: so you know, it's also there's nothing similar about us, 169 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 3: although we like each other and we do fish. And 170 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: the phone rang and she's, you know, was Heidi and 171 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: my agent and I like, the agent's assistant said, I 172 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: have Heidi Schaeffer and Rick Krutzman for you. And I 173 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: was just like, what, why are you bothering me? What? 174 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: What do you want? What do you want? And they said, well, 175 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: we want to talk to you about the campaign. I said, 176 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: what campaign? What are you talking about? They said, well, 177 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: you know, a twenty four smooth I was like, oh, stop, 178 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: shut up. So I'm telling you it was the last 179 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: thing I ever thought that would happen. And the fact 180 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: that this year has happened, and then the work I 181 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: get to do because of it has just opened me 182 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: up in a way. To answer your lovely question. Open wide, 183 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: open heart, chakra, open spirit, open, and you know, open 184 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: to receive the art that I get to do now. 185 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that, I mean. 186 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: But what's interesting also is that it's you're talking about 187 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: being open in your life and not and not burdening 188 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: yourself with some kind of expectations. But it's also being 189 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: open in your work, which is something that comes from 190 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: a lifetime spent doing it. And it's so clear in 191 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: the work. I mean, the Bear, as I've told you, 192 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 2: I've reached out to you after I saw it, and 193 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: it was it was just truly spectacular, reals so much 194 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: kind of kind of work. And you've always been so great, 195 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: and it's so great when you see somebody that you've 196 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: always loved as a performer and then you know, they 197 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: just fucking surprise you. You know what I mean, They 198 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: just they just you know, come out and you know, 199 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: they just hit you with it with a right hook 200 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: and you go, WHOA. 201 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: I mean, because yes, but. 202 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: Your daughter and I share something as you. 203 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: Know, I know you do. 204 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, she has taken over the mantle beautifully of Scream Queen. 205 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 3: She's a very talented young woman and she will tell 206 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: you what I've known all along, which is horror movies 207 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: demand deep, deep expressions of sadness, fear, tension. But you 208 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: know all of the sort of angsty performer tools and 209 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: the demands them of. You had a nano second at 210 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: four thirty in the morning, in the pouring rain, covered 211 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: in mud and blood, and then they roll the camera 212 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: and demand in that second with no other impetus. There 213 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: is no you know, the Bear is a play. The 214 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: Bear is written like a play, it's acted like a play. 215 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: We didn't rehearse it. Basically, we ran it so we 216 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: would know where we would stand. And then they just 217 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: said rolling and handing old cameras allowed it to be 218 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: totally inflow. So of course the boats are going to 219 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: rise because the writing is so extraordinary. But remember horror movies, 220 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: often the writing isn't so extraordinary, and you don't have 221 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 3: the play, you don't have all of it. You have 222 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: your skill to carry you in those moments. And your 223 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: daughter can really attest to this, and you see, it's 224 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: an un it's an unappreciated genre of performing. And I've 225 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 3: been doing it for a long, long long time, and 226 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: I am ripped my guts out on those movies and 227 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: nobody pays that attention. They just don't care because the 228 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: movies themselves have whatever the the feeling is and so not. 229 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: Not that you are supposed to pay attention to the skill, 230 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: but that work I've been doing since I was nineteen 231 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: years old. Well that was my first movie, Halloween. 232 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that Halloween. Yeah, that's a really good point. I 233 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: mean people, you know, I've done my share of horror, 234 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: and people will say why do you like it? 235 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: And why would you keep coming back to it, as 236 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: though you know, why wouldn't you only do something else, 237 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: you know, action or family dramas or whatever. And I 238 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: always say, because it's because the stakes are so high 239 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: in horror, Like it's always life and death. And it's 240 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: like when you when you get to play like to me, 241 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: when you get to play that that that's always the 242 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: challenging stuff. Not to mention, I mean when when you 243 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: know you were so sweet to reach out to associate, 244 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: you know, after Smile came out and when she was 245 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: in the middle of it, it was we got a 246 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: chance to actually discuss, uh, which is something not something 247 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: that we had done too much up until that point, 248 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: Like what it was like to act in a horror 249 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: move and they said, the hardest thing about it, honey, 250 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: is that every day you're going in and you got 251 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: to do a new version of being scared. And that 252 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: is a that's like a that's a tough thing to 253 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: do in a in a in a you know, hour 254 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: and forty minute movie. It's it's it's a lot, it's 255 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: a lot of challenges. I'm speaking of her. I don't 256 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: want to do the podcast about her. Look you know, look, 257 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: she doesn't need I want to do this. 258 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: I adore her. 259 00:15:54,040 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: As you know, you've been very vocal about this kind 260 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: of nebo baby. 261 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: Concept. Yeah. 262 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: Well, and and uh, you know, I'm just wondering, you 263 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: know how, because you can relate to it clearly. 264 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how you how you feel about it. 265 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: I mean, what what what's your what's your I mean, 266 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: what's your what's your take on on that? 267 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: That concept? 268 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: It's been the same since day one. The reason why 269 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: it just kind of came up a lot was because 270 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: the word it was right when I was in the 271 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: cycle of a lot of promotion, and the word sort 272 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: of entered the zeitgeist, and all of a sudden, it 273 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: was everywhere and you know, I've I've been my parents' 274 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: daughter since I was born, and. 275 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: It works out that way. 276 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: I know it's crazy. And when I was in high school, 277 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: you know it. Your parents procede you into any room 278 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: you walk into. I don't care if high school, college, 279 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 3: a movie set, a business office. Your parents precede you. 280 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 3: It's like a procession. And you know, I'm not unaware 281 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: of it. Of course I understand it. And by the way, 282 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: I've probably also judged people marshly in the same way 283 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 3: that probably people judge me. So you know, I'm no 284 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: angel here. But here's what I will say at four 285 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: thirty in the morning, covered in mud and blood, when 286 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 3: they're running out of time because they're going to lose 287 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: the sun is going to come up, and you have 288 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: to deliver the monologue with one hundred and fifty crew 289 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: members standing around, and you have to run into a 290 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: room and hit that little piece of red tape on 291 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: the floor and spill your guts in a monologue of 292 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 3: sadness and upset. I don't give a shit who your 293 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: parents are. Either you can do it or you can't. 294 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 3: Like it's there is if there's an advantage because of 295 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 3: a sort of a drast off of someone's fame, then okay, great, 296 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 3: I've not ever run from it or hit or hit 297 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: from it. I'm proud of my parents. I loved my parents. 298 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 3: But the truth of the matter is the work you 299 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: do as an actor, you can only do it if 300 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: you can do it, and if you can't do it, it's 301 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: really clear, and then you don't get to do it again. 302 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 3: And that's just it. So I am I am, you know, 303 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: grateful for it. Whatever I think it's, it's you know, 304 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: I've been doing this, as I said, since I was 305 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 3: nineteen and I am now sixty five, and therefore whatever 306 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: the math is, I've been doing it a long time. 307 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's the news thing what I wanted to 308 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 3: tell you because it based it's literally it's germane to 309 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: what we were talking about, which is, how do you 310 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: find yourself here at sixty five in this moment, like 311 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: in this moment, like whatever is going on in the world, 312 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 3: which is awful in this moment? Work wise how to? 313 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: And there is a book and I talk about it 314 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: all the time, and either the author of the book 315 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: hates me or I've helped her sell a lot of books. 316 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 3: Her name is Mauritia Pessel, and she wrote a book 317 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: called Special Topics in Calamity Physics. It's a novel. It's 318 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 3: an history novel about a father and a daughter. By 319 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 3: the way, Kevin Bacon and I don't think they've made 320 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: it into a movie. And it's a terrific book. But 321 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: in the middle of the book she talks about, you know, 322 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: the way we think our lives are supposed to progress. 323 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 3: It's basically, for your parents, how much money did they have, 324 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: Where did you go to school, what was your first job, 325 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: what was your starting salary? And those are what to 326 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 3: term in your life. And here's what she says that 327 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: really changed my life when I read it. She says, quote, 328 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: life hinges on a couple seconds you never see coming, 329 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 3: and what you do in those seconds determines everything from 330 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: then on and you won't know what you're going to 331 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: do until you're there. That, Kevin making is my life because, 332 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: as you know, I saw Chris's picture in the magazine 333 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: said I'm going to marry him. Married him four months 334 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 3: later after reaching out to his agent and him not 335 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 3: calling me and running into him at a restaurant and 336 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 3: he randomly sort of waved and called me and we 337 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: got married four months later, thirty nine years ago. All 338 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: but all of my work, all of it, and there 339 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 3: are those hinge moments, those pivots where and we could 340 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: say it about every thing in our lives is sliding doors. 341 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: You know what, Life hinges on things you don't see coming. 342 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: So you have to just stay open. It goes back 343 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: to the point of being open, because if you're closed 344 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 3: and you're calculated and you think you can control life, 345 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 3: you cannot. And so the beauty for me at my 346 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 3: age is I'm sober and I've been doing this a 347 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: long time, and that quote came into my head a 348 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 3: long time ago, and because of it, I am now 349 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: open to whatever shows up. And by the way, awful 350 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: things have shown up. 351 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: In case those couple of seconds hit you. Is is 352 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: a theory that it continues that multiple This happens multiple times. 353 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: If you're if you're if you're open and ready for it. 354 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: And that's to me, the beautyful beauty of being an 355 00:21:54,400 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 3: artist who is her own art tool. So as an artist, 356 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 3: I am just always at the ready. My senses are 357 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: always firing. 358 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: Now you mentioned your company, are you also directing? I 359 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 2: have you directed before? I'm forget. 360 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 3: I have I directed TV shows that I have been in, 361 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: because when you're in the TV show and then you 362 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: go can I direct one? You know it's it's something 363 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 3: I would like to do. I'm much more interested actually 364 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: in producing things, and I'm now just starting to become 365 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: a producer at sixty five. So, for instance, my little 366 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: company has a company with Jason Blum, who does Blumhouse, 367 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 3: and we bought the Patricia Cornwell books called which are 368 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: with the main character Case Scarpetta. There are a bunch 369 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 3: of wonderful books with her as the center character. And 370 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: Nicole Kidman is going to do it. We're doing it 371 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: for Amazon. She's going to play Case Scarpetta. I'm going 372 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: to play her sister. That's something I'm producing. 373 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: Through my own company, Fantastic. 374 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: There's a movie that I'm going to produce which I 375 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: can't talk about, even though I found out yesterday really 376 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 3: good news. I can't talk about it, but I will 377 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: be able to talk about it. That's a big movie 378 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: about big ideas that it's going to be something that I. 379 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: Get to produce Fantastic. 380 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: At the same time, the most important thing, and I 381 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: promise you it's not my segue because before we get 382 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 3: to Sarah, I want to talk to you for a 383 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 3: second about my hand in yours because it's different from 384 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 3: a charitable standpoint than Sarah's organization Free Mom Hugs, which 385 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: I very much want to lean into. 386 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: But that's what we're here for. Tell us about my 387 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: hand in yours, all right. 388 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 3: So, in the same way, right before COVID, right before COVID, 389 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: I didn't want to just give money to charity. I 390 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: wanted to feel a stronger connection to it. And I 391 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: collect little all objects from a sculptor named Anne Ricketts. 392 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 3: These are little little bronze feet, and I send them 393 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 3: to friends of mine and I say, be where your 394 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: feet are. And I called her and I said, I 395 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 3: would like to commission you to create a sculpture of 396 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: two hands holding whenever I sign off a letter. Kevin, 397 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: if God forbid one of your goats passed away and 398 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: I heard about it, I would have written you a 399 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: letter and said, dear Kevin and Kia stop making love 400 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: in the barn. You freaked out your bat and I'm 401 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: so sorry that it happened. Chris and I send you 402 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: our best. And I would have written to you my 403 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: hand in Yours Jamie, it's just a phrase I've used 404 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: for a long time to say I may not be 405 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: with you in this moment, but I want you to 406 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 3: feel what it would feel like to have my hand 407 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: holding yours. And so I went to Anne Ricketts and 408 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: I said, will you make a small sculpture of two 409 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 3: hands holding that you can hold in your hand. It 410 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: has a beautiful weight to it, and I said, I 411 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: would like to make them, and I'm going to sell 412 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: them on Instagram and I'm going to give all the 413 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: money to Children's Hospital ofs Angeles. And then, very quickly, 414 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: as you know in this world, when I hired a 415 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: man named Oliver Marler to help me set up a 416 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 3: website to sell them, because he you know, Instagram is fun, 417 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: but a website is better. He said to me, how 418 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: many did you order? And I said, ah, I ordered 419 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: one hundred. Can you imagine? He said, you'll sell those 420 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 3: in a day? I said, oh, off, Oliver, really, he said, Jamie, 421 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: I do this, this is what I do. You're going 422 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: to give all the money to Children's Hospital. You'll sell 423 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: them in a day. And we did. And he said 424 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: you're going to need more. And so what happened is 425 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: there's a company called My Hand in Yours and it 426 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 3: offers comfort items and celebration items to people in times 427 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 3: of great happiness and great sorrow. And we donate one 428 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: hundred percent of all proceeds to Children's Hospital Los Angeles. 429 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: And that now is I have a business. I run 430 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: a cottage industry in the house next door, which is 431 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 3: our business office. And so besides the movie stuff that 432 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: I get to do, this is a This was two 433 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: years that we launched August fourth of twenty twenty, right 434 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: when COVID was claiming the lives of so many people, 435 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: and it just blossomed. So I one hundred percent believed 436 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: that the only purpose of fame is to shine the 437 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 3: fame light that comes on us, flip it and Missy 438 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: Elliott that flip it and reverse it and shine it 439 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: on something other than you, because God knows we get 440 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: enough tension. So My Hand in Yours is my version 441 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: of that. But when you asked me if I was 442 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: going to direct things, here's the reason I'm going to 443 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: tell you. I was in Idaho, where we have a barn, 444 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: but we don't make love in it the way and 445 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: cure it. And I read a story about a woman 446 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 3: in Oklahoma who put up a Facebook post that said, 447 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 3: if you're getting married and you're a same sex couple 448 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: and your biological parents don't support that union, I will 449 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 3: show up for you as a stand in mom. And 450 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 3: I remember I read the story and then I did 451 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: what people do. I cold called her and dm'd her 452 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: into Facebook, and it took her a minute to figure 453 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: out that I wasn't a fake person. Sure, and I 454 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: wrote to the woman whose name is Sarah Cunningham and 455 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 3: basically said, this is fantastic what you're doing. And we 456 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 3: became friends, and ultimately she had written a book. I 457 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 3: ultimately bought the rights to the book to produce a 458 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 3: movie that I was going to direct, and we were 459 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: I was. I had an airplane ticket and crew gifts 460 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 3: prepped to go and we were supposed to shoot in 461 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: April of twenty twenty. Oh wow, okay, and COVID killed 462 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: our movie. But since then, Sarah Cunningham has just expanded 463 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: her reach through a company, and not a company, an 464 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: organization that she founded an runs called Free Mom Hugs. 465 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: Well, that's a perfect I'm a really good you are 466 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: you are? I can? I can? 467 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: I can go make a sandwich Sarah Cunningham please join 468 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: us here on the podcast. 469 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: And when you meet Sarah, you're gonna go, oh my god, 470 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: you guys are twins. And we are away. I'm growing 471 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: my hair for a month. I noticed many times most 472 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: of my life my hair looks exactly like Sarah Cunningham's. 473 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: I think, I think we're all on the same. We 474 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: also got the same I. 475 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: Usually have very short I love it. 476 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 4: I noticed it, and it's just stunning. It's so attractive. 477 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 4: Of course, you look good at a potatoes. 478 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: Come on, Sarah, thank you so much. How are you doing. 479 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 4: I'm doing so well. You know, I've been in in 480 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: the background here listening and I'm just crying. And you 481 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 4: see my love for Jamie because she's always pointing to 482 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 4: something good. I've known her for a short amount of time, 483 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: but my goodness, how she has just changed my life 484 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 4: the trajectory and like she shared about how life comes 485 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 4: at you and unexpectedly will change the direction of everything. 486 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be here today without without Jamie. 487 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of which, tell us your story and I'm curious, 488 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: you know, I want to hear how how how you 489 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: started this and and what's. 490 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: It's an amazing story. 491 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: Kevin, are you did you grow up in Oklahoma? 492 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 4: Yes, born and raised. There was a time I would 493 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 4: beg my mother not to let me be buried in Oklahoma. 494 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: But now I couldn't imagine living anywhere else. And my 495 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 4: husband and I met young and we have two children together, 496 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 4: and our youngest son, Parker, is gay, and he's the 497 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 4: reason why we're here today. I raised very conservatively evangelical, 498 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 4: you know the story. And when Parker tried to have 499 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 4: those conversations with me, I didn't take the news very well. 500 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 4: I behaved badly. 501 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: I show him was when he started talking to you 502 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: about this. 503 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 4: I remember in grade school him trying to have the 504 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 4: conversation at the kitchen sink. But I just thought it 505 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 4: was a phase. I just I didn't allow the conversation 506 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 4: or the vocabulary to have it. And because I thought 507 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 4: it was just a phase, or I thought maybe something 508 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 4: bad had to happen to him to make him gay. 509 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 4: But it wasn't until he met someone at the age 510 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 4: of twenty one and he said, Mom, I met someone 511 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 4: and I need you to be okay about it, and 512 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 4: I wasn't. It was a journey from the church to 513 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: the pride parade without losing my faith or my son. 514 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 4: But I met this beautiful, spirit filled community and I 515 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 4: fell in love. But I was hearing their stories about 516 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 4: how they had been alienated from their church homes, from 517 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 4: their families, from many parts of society. I was learning 518 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: about laws that affect families like mine, and I was 519 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 4: accountable to those things. So in two thousand and fourteen, 520 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 4: I went and had my first real intentional interaction with 521 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 4: the gay community at the Oklahoma City Pride Festival. 522 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: So what was it that got you from the kitchen sink, 523 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: or the church, or wherever you happen to be to 524 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: take those steps to walk over to a pride parade. 525 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: It just seems like a pretty pretty long long journey. 526 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 4: It was a journey, like I said, from the church 527 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: to the Pride parade. But hearing their stories and so 528 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 4: in twenty fifteen, I made a homemade button and with 529 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: anyone who made eye contact with me, I would say, 530 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 4: could I offer you a free mom hug or a 531 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 4: high five? And the first hug I gave went to 532 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 4: a beautiful young girl who said it had been four 533 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 4: years since she had a hug from her mother because 534 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 4: she's a lesbian and from that experience, we started the 535 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 4: nonprofit Free Mom Hugs and now we have actors in 536 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 4: every state of moms, dads, friends and allies who show 537 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 4: up at Pride festivals, checking second chance proms. We have 538 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 4: transgender Valentine's banquets, National Pride rights, whatever we can do 539 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 4: to help change the social norm. And lastly, our mission 540 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 4: is to empower the world to celebrate the lgbtq IA 541 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 4: plus community through visibility, education and conversation, because those are 542 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 4: the things that changed my understanding of this beautiful community 543 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 4: and of what a gift they are to the world. 544 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 4: And I'm just so thankful that I'm on this side 545 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 4: of our story. This book that Jimmy was talking about 546 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 4: so beautifully is self published, but it's our story. I'm 547 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 4: not a scholar or theologian. It's just how we got 548 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 4: through it. And what I hear from you. I'm sorry, 549 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 4: I'm rambling you. 550 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: No, no, you're not at all, not at all, No, No, 551 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, to the extent that you're comfortable sharing it. 552 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: Did you feel like it was a slow process? Was 553 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: it a was it a an aha moment? What? 554 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 3: What? 555 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: How did your how did the rest of your family 556 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 2: react to Parker has a brother or a sister. 557 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 4: Yes, two children. Parker's the youngest, Travis is the oldest Travis. 558 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: That's my son's name. 559 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and uh uh and your husband were they supportive? 560 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: Were they confused? What was just to give me a 561 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: little more detailed was long? 562 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 4: But thankfully, uh, my husband is affirming. He has cousins 563 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 4: who are on the LGBTPU skew uh spectrum, and so 564 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 4: he was always more affirming. I was more conservative than 565 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 4: my husband, thankfully, but I made it. I made life 566 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 4: pretty hard around here, and so it was a process. 567 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 4: It didn't happen overnight, but there were pivotal moments of 568 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 4: seeing other people celebrate my son when I didn't know 569 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 4: if I should, could or would. Seeing him happy and 570 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 4: healthy and live authentically, and him you know, saying Mom, 571 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 4: I've been your son for twenty one years. I need 572 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 4: you to be my mom now will kind of make 573 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 4: you in check. But it was seeing other people accept 574 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 4: him when I was just trying to figure that out. 575 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 4: But I needed it was faith based that was keeping me. 576 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 4: That the power of fear and ignorance kept me in 577 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 4: that place, but it was the power of love and 578 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 4: education and seeing moms like Jamie, you know, she's a 579 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 4: mama bear. And when she says that they watched in 580 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 4: Pride and wonder as Ruby, you know, became her authentic self. 581 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 4: That it was hearing things like that who just really 582 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 4: changed my understanding and. 583 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 2: Talk to me about the challenges of being I'm assuming 584 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: that the community that where you lived and worshiped was a, 585 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 2: you know, a pretty conservative community. What's it like in 586 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 2: terms of the pushback? And I mean, I'm amazed at 587 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: the courage that it takes to make that kind of 588 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: decision when when the you know, the world surrounding you 589 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: is kind of feeling in. 590 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 4: A different way devastating. It was devastating, but you know, 591 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 4: having this time span, you know, I went through being 592 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 4: devastated to cynical, to bitter, to angry to understanding. We 593 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 4: didn't know how to minister to each other. Nobody knew 594 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 4: how to have this conversation because we didn't have you know, 595 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 4: we didn't have any out people at our church. We 596 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 4: didn't have same sex couples getting married and celebrated. We 597 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 4: just did not know how to minister to each other. 598 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 4: So that's what I believe the platform of Free Mom 599 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 4: hugs allows a place for people to show up and 600 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 4: do something. And it's a beautiful thing to be a 601 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 4: part of. Because when we can pour into families like mine, 602 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 4: you see that fruit. You say, the love is God, 603 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 4: is love, and love is God, and the fruit of 604 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 4: the Spirit is love, and the fruit of the spirit 605 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 4: is lasting and empowering. And when we can pour into families, 606 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 4: that's where the fruit comes from. And you'll know them 607 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 4: by their fruit. 608 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: Right. 609 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 3: So, and you can see, Kevin, how much of a 610 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 3: of a a gospel according to Sarah, and how how 611 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 3: powerful she is as a communicator. So you can imagine 612 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 3: Sarah has traveled all over the country and talks to 613 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 3: people who were hidden behind the rigidity of their faith. 614 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 3: And look at this woman and look at the way 615 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: she communicates about love and family and and it just 616 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 3: radiates from her. It's it's it's extraor she's an extraordinary 617 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 3: person who, as as she has said, was was kept 618 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 3: in the closet of her own limits of love and 619 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 3: expand until it was her child who opened the door 620 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 3: and said, I want you to be my mom. And 621 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 3: she literally had to choose her church or her child, 622 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 3: and she chose the child and it's shaped the world. 623 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 5: If you are inspired by today's episode, please join us 624 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 5: in supporting six degrees dot org by texting the word 625 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 5: Bacon to seven zero seven zero seven zero. 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I mean, you said, Jamie that 641 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 2: you you're at a point in your life where you 642 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 2: feel like, you know, famous people need to give back. 643 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 2: But I think that there's there's something there that is 644 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 2: inherent in you that. 645 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: Came from something. 646 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering if, if if you have either 647 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 2: one of you have ideas about what that is is 648 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 2: that your parents is in a moment. I've spoken to 649 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 2: people on the podcast that have had you know, a 650 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: tragedy or a or a you know, something you know 651 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 2: powerful happened to them a voice. 652 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts about that? 653 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 2: Because the thing is is that you can do quietly 654 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: do good work which is fantastic, you know, or like you, Sarah, 655 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 2: you can make your voice heard and take the risks 656 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 2: and the same thing with you, Jamie, take the risks 657 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 2: of being despised, take the risks of the blowback, you know, 658 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 2: put yourself out there on the line to say, hey, 659 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 2: I want to I want to be clear about something 660 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: that I feel strongly about. 661 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 3: So my mother was a movie star, as we've talked 662 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 3: Nepo baby that I am, and she was involved with 663 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 3: a group of Hollywood wives really called Share. It's a 664 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 3: group in California called Share. The acronym was Share Happily 665 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 3: and reap endlessly. And what it was was that they 666 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 3: were a group of powerful women who understood that their husbands, 667 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 3: many of whom were performers, had a lot of power 668 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 3: and show business. So what they would do is they 669 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 3: put on a show every year. They still do it. 670 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 3: The Share organization still does it, and this group of 671 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 3: women would put on a show. Their famous husbands would 672 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 3: come and perform, Sammy Davis Junior, Dean Martin, and once 673 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 3: in a while one of the members of the group 674 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 3: was a woman and a movie star herself my mother, 675 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 3: And they would do that every May. In my entire childhood, 676 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,959 Speaker 3: my mother would rehearse for their Share show every May, 677 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 3: and I watched them rehearse, and as a child, I 678 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 3: would go. So I watched my mother annually come together 679 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 3: with a group of people and raise a lot of 680 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 3: money for, by the way, the Exceptional Children's Foundation, which 681 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 3: is what they put their money toward, which was children 682 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 3: with special needs. So that was sort of what I 683 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,919 Speaker 3: was raised around. And then my mother. Then my mother 684 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 3: was friends with Eunice Kennedy Schreiber, an extraordinary woman, powerful 685 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 3: change agent, and she started the Special Olympics and she 686 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 3: would invite celebrities like your podcast to come, but you know, 687 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,439 Speaker 3: to come and participate in Special Olympics. And I went 688 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 3: with my mother one year. And after I went the 689 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 3: first year, I called Unice Kennedy Schreiver. I was fifteen 690 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 3: or sixteen or somewhere, and I said to her. You know, 691 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 3: I think we got Polaroid to donate cameras we could 692 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 3: take pictures of the celebrities with the athletes and then 693 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 3: they could take them home. And so for a couple 694 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: of years I did that at the Special Olympics. 695 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: Wow. 696 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 3: And then I became an actor, and then she called 697 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 3: me one day and said, Jamie, I think you need 698 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 3: to be in the pictures this year, and so like 699 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 3: right away, like early on, I saw the power of 700 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 3: how celebrity world can affect other things other than show business. Yeah, 701 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 3: and then it was just a course of those things 702 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 3: happening that then, you know, working with Children's Hospital of 703 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 3: s Angeles as their advocate, literally suiting up and showing 704 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 3: up and saying what do you need? I will do 705 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 3: whatever you need, and then starting my hand in yours. 706 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 3: So for me, the trajectory was really watching my mother 707 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 3: do it. Okay, the value that having like spame again, 708 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 3: but taking all the energy of fame and throwing it 709 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 3: towards something be it animal rights, being human rights, children, 710 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 3: whatever it is, and then and then come up with 711 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,720 Speaker 3: a way to monetize it and make it a truly 712 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 3: philanthropic organization. That would be my background. 713 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 2: Always comes back to the moms, right, Sarah always comes 714 00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 2: back to the. 715 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 3: Moms, always comes back to moms. 716 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 4: We have to do everything. 717 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 2: And Sarah, you know, I mean you you've taken this organization. 718 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 2: I mean you you did this one act of I 719 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 2: don't even know what you know, what to call it, 720 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 2: just you know, crossing the divide, you know, and and 721 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 2: you know, showing compassion and grace towards your son and 722 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 2: towards to uh, you know, to other people as well. 723 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 2: But now you've taken it and you continue to, you know, 724 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 2: keep this thing going. 725 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: What what are what? What is it? What happens on a. 726 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 2: Day to day basis with the organization? And and how 727 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 2: can people help and get involved? 728 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 3: Thank you? 729 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,879 Speaker 4: I tell you the main thing And it did start 730 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 4: with my mother. We had My mother was a single mother. 731 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 4: My father passed young five children, and so our house 732 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 4: was open to the whole neighborhood. And so I grew 733 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 4: up with a lot of that. But I'm just doing 734 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 4: things that I wish someone would have done when I 735 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 4: was trying to figure things out. Number one, those are 736 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 4: the things that we're doing through visibility, education and conversation. 737 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 4: And secondly, is that at the forefront of everything that 738 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 4: we do at Free Mom Hugs are the horror stories 739 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 4: of conversion therapy in thirty states. My son, Jamie's daughter 740 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 4: could be denied housing, healthcare, even thrown out of a 741 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 4: public space because of how they identify. That's the reality 742 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 4: of the LGBTQ plus community and it's at the forefront 743 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 4: of everything that we do to change the social norm, 744 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 4: to raise awareness and to celebrate this community. So we're 745 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 4: always looking for ways. But it may look like a 746 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 4: National Pride ride. We just had in September our very 747 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 4: first Free Mom Hugs conference, which Jimmie was a part of. 748 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 4: But we had expected maybe one hundred and fifty people, 749 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 4: but we got four hundred people, plus the mayor of 750 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 4: Oklahoma to show up. And Oklahoma's very conservative, we've got pockets. 751 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 4: But I think what makes us so successful is that 752 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 4: it's love. It's all about educating and love and those 753 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 4: are the things that will change the world around us. 754 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 4: And add to that, once you see it in this arena, 755 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 4: then you see it everywhere. And when I say it, 756 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 4: I mean the discrimination, the challenges that all minority space. 757 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 4: But this happens to be my lane. But once you 758 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 4: see it here you see it everywhere, so I'm accountable 759 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 4: to what I know. Ultimately, that's it. 760 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,879 Speaker 3: The other thing I wanted to say, Kevin is that 761 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 3: And we haven't really said this to each other, Sarah, 762 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 3: but I guarantee you without a doubt that your gorgeous 763 00:46:50,400 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 3: openness with Parker impacted my openness with Ruby when out 764 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 3: of the blue, Ruby informed my husband and I that 765 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 3: they were trans that we met because I saw that 766 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:24,399 Speaker 3: act of generosity on Facebook and then stalked you, not 767 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 3: having any idea that I would need your example in 768 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 3: my own life. I did not come to you because 769 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 3: I had an inkling that that was going to be 770 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 3: a conversation in my kitchen, and I went to you 771 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 3: because of your open bravery and saying I made a mistake, 772 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 3: this is wrong. Here's who I am. I'm here for you. 773 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 3: People like that gave an example for me that I 774 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,399 Speaker 3: hadn't put together until this weird little zoom box thing. 775 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 3: Because that's the truth that when that moment, when life 776 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 3: hinged on a couple seconds, I didn't see coming that. 777 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 3: In those seconds, the example that I had was lead 778 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 3: with love, ask questions, open your arms and your heart, 779 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 3: period And that's what happened, and it's because of you. 780 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 4: Thank you seeing me, Thank you. 781 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 3: We can all go home now. 782 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:29,720 Speaker 1: Wow. 783 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 3: But I'm telling you it's it's it didn't. It didn't 784 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 3: connect the dot to me until this second where it's like, 785 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 3: well duh, because you led by example and I was 786 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 3: attracted to it without even knowing. I was attracted to 787 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 3: it for the reasons that I'm now attracted to it. 788 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: Thank you amazing. 789 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 2: I mean, that's is exactly what we're trying to do 790 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 2: here on the spot, is to get these these kinds 791 00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 2: of moments. And you know, I I admire you both 792 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 2: so much for you know, your compassion and your understanding 793 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 2: and your courage and your voice and your love. It's 794 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 2: it's it's it's beautiful, inspiring. 795 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,399 Speaker 4: And you and I saw you on the Kelly Kark 796 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 4: Clarkson Show and you just have a need and you say, 797 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,840 Speaker 4: what can I do? What can I do? What should 798 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 4: I do? And you saw a need and you had 799 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 4: an idea and you did it and it works. So 800 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 4: I mean, this is what it's all about. It's not 801 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:37,959 Speaker 4: a competition. It's about serving each other and helping each other. 802 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 4: And if you don't have it, then you find someone 803 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 4: who does so well done. 804 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Okay, what's the what's the website? 805 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 4: Free moom hugs dot org. 806 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 2: Dot com, My hand in yours dot com. These are 807 00:49:53,239 --> 00:50:04,240 Speaker 2: two fantastic, fantastic organizations that need your help, your interest. 808 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:05,160 Speaker 1: Check them out. 809 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 4: Please, I say something, Kevin, I'm sorry, sure can freemomhuds 810 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 4: dot org. You can find your state chapter, get plugged in. 811 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 4: If it's just showing up at Pride Festival. Soon you'll 812 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,879 Speaker 4: be helping with the clothing closet or trans Valentine's Bank, 813 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 4: but you can find the resources. If you are a parent, 814 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 4: a guardian, know someone who's going through this journey, there 815 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 4: are resources available at our website. And of course we're 816 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 4: a nonprofit. We all need funding, so. 817 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:36,919 Speaker 3: Do what you can. 818 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 4: I say, if you can, pray for us, pray for us, 819 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 4: if you can show up, show up, if you can give, 820 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 4: give beautiful. 821 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: I love that. I love you both so much. 822 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, thanks for listening to another episode of six 823 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 2: Degrees with Kevin Bacon. 824 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: If you want to. 825 00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:02,399 Speaker 2: Learn more about Free mom Hugs to momhugs dot org, 826 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 2: you can find all the links in our show notes, 827 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 2: and if you like what you hear, make sure you 828 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 2: subscribe to the show, tune into the rest of our episodes. 829 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 2: You can find six Degrees with Kevin Bigan on iHeartRadio, 830 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.