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Speaker 1: Pushkin. It started with a feeling, some nagging worry about

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Speaker 1: this world we find ourselves in this Steve kerges through

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Speaker 1: the clipboard. Steve kerg has got teed up. Steve Kerve

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Speaker 1: has got ejected. A world where everyone hates the referee.

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Speaker 1: Those who can kick the ball play football, those account

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Speaker 1: referee feels like someone keeps poking you in the back

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Speaker 1: of the shoulder and then saying foul, foul, foul. I

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Speaker 1: would never say the things that I do to referees

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Speaker 1: to a person in normal life. I'm Michael Lewis, author

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Speaker 1: of The Blindside, Moneyball, The Big Short, The Fifth Risk.

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Speaker 1: This is my first podcast. It's called Against the Rules.

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Speaker 1: This season, I'm taking you to all the poorly referee

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Speaker 1: corners of life. Look where we're sitting right now, Michael.

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Speaker 1: We're in a crappy parking lot across the street from

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Speaker 1: one of the most important capital market building on the globe.

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Speaker 1: On the globe, I just have some simple, basic questions.

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Speaker 1: It's going through my trash people do it. Questions about

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Speaker 1: what's happened to our idea of fairness? When you first

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Speaker 1: float this idea, how's it greeted? Okay, So, when I

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Speaker 1: first float this. Let me come on, this is the

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Speaker 1: early two thousands and I'm talking about a new government agency. Oh,

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Speaker 1: just what everybody's looking for. Right, here's what I think.

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Speaker 1: We still need our referees, someone to make the call,

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Speaker 1: someone to protect us when life's unfair. But these days

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Speaker 1: it's not easy. Why would anybody want to be a rap? Seriously,

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Speaker 1: I wonder that too many? And they're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: say anything. They're not allowed to explain themselves. They're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to defend themselves. So I'm going to defend them.

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Speaker 1: It starts April second. Against the Rules is the new

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Speaker 1: show from Pushkin Industries. You can subscribe now for free

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. So, do you have anything

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Speaker 1: you'd like to say to the referees of the world

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Speaker 1: before we turn this recording off. Don't pick sides unless

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Speaker 1: it's my side.