1 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Hi, Hey, Bethany, nice to meet you. 2 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: It's nice to meet you. Thanks for having me on. 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: So this is Patrick McDonald. 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: What I didn't realize is that you've worked on thirteen 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: Bravo seasons across nine franchises and we've never crossed paths. 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: That's right, I know. The one of the few that 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: I have not done was New York. 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: And how many production companies have you worked with? 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, most of the shows I did, so I 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: did Housewives of Atlanta, Potomac. I was doing a lot 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: of the East Coast shows with Truly Original before I 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: moved back out west and started doing a lot of 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: Evolution shows, which is Beverly Hills, Orange County and vand 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: of Pump Rules. 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Got it okay? 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: So those of you who don't know, I was sent 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 3: a video that you did that you posted was out 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: on Instagram. 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: Yes, on Instagram and TikTok. 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: Okay, because there was a lot of media pickup of it. 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 3: So you posted a video on Instagram and TikTok basically 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: just expressing yourself and sharing your experience, and it seemed 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: like something provoked you to just tell a portion of 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: the truth about your experience as a reality television producer. 25 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: Starting from the bottom and moving your way up through 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: the ranks, Is that accurate? 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've been working with Bravo for the 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: past five years. I started as a logger, which is 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: kind of at the bottom of the totem pole in 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,639 Speaker 2: terms of producers. Some shows call them loggers, some shows 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: call them associate producers, but basically the people transcribing all 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: the dialogue for the show so they can write a 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: hot sheet for the network to see what happened. So 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: I started there on Married to Medicine, and within five years, 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: like with it before that, I mean, within like three years, 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: I climbed the ranks from associate producer, a segment producer, 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: field producer, senior field producer, to supervising producer. So you know, 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: by the time I left, I was working I was 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: directly under the co executive producers on those on my 40 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: last three shows. 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: So okay, So for people who don't know, when we 42 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: started out and we were doing our own hair and 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: makeup and everything was recorded in our living room versus 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: now in a studio, there was usually one executive producer, 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: like the head person in charge. And so now on 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: shows this big, there are co executive producers, so they 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 3: have two show runners. They're the ones running the show, 48 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: and then you were right under the show runners, so 49 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: you're like reporting directly to them and they're making the 50 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: whole machine work. 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: Right, Essentially, I am so like the supervising producers and 52 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: the field producers. Essentially, the field producers are the ones 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: running the show in the field, the co executive producers 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: and the secutive producers are usually in the office, you know, 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: working on other things, but out in the field, like 56 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: shooting the scenes day to day with the ladies as 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: me and the other field producers. 58 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: So if you go up into production offices, which in 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: only rare cases do housewives or talents see behind the 60 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: curtain at OZ, but in some cases when you're coming 61 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: up over the years for economical reasons, you'd be doing 62 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: interviews in the same space where the production offices are. 63 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: So if you're doing your interviews in one room, you 64 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: walk out and then you walk by that it sort 65 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: of seems like a classroom and there's a big whiteboard 66 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: and it's kind of got like the family tree looking 67 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: type of thing where it's like, here's this person and 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: they're having a fight with this person so we have 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: to get these two together. 70 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's like, so you've got Jane and Jill, 71 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: but Bobby over here knows something that we need to 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: get to Jill. So we need to get Bobby and 73 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: Jane together before you know, got it, Jill and Jay 74 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: get together. You know what I mean? Basically, if you 75 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: going into a scene was something I usually tell people 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: is like, if you know cast members, if you're going 77 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: into a scene and there's something that you really don't 78 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: want to talk about, you can pretty much guarantee that 79 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: you're going to be asked about that thing today exactly you. 80 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 3: And so you spoke fairly briefly compared to what this 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 3: interview will be like, and it was sent to me 82 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: and it's gotten a decent amount of pickup. And I 83 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 3: was moved by how beloved you are and how former 84 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: cast members begrudged, cast members, current cast members, crew members, 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: like people in the community verified and validated you, saying 86 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: that you had a great reputation and that cast and 87 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: crew alike loved you, which, by the way, we all 88 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 3: know that it's very rare that a cast member is 89 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: liked by everyone. You're a bad reality participant or a housewife. 90 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 3: If everyone likes you, that would be the definition of 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 3: being a bad house wife. If everyone likes you, something's wrong. 92 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: Because there's always it's a zero sum game. 93 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: I mean, content is King. That's the thing that you 94 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: hear the most doing these shows. So the biggest priority 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: is what's happening on screen, and that is a theme 96 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: that is prevalent across the board. So yeah, I mean 97 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: in so many words, like if it's not happening on 98 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: the screen, like, it's not the priority. You're holding a camera, 99 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: You've been holding a camera for five hours and you 100 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: need to pee. Well, sorry, these two ladies are going 101 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: in on their second hour talking about the same thing. 102 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to wait to pee or eat, you know, right, unfortunately. 103 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: So that's kind of the content is King mentality. Is 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: this blanket umbrella used to justify putting all these crew 105 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: members through, you know, extreme working conditions and you know, 106 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: keeping it moving. 107 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there have been many people who have wanted 108 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: to talk on this podcast, and it's not that I've 109 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 3: distanced myself from the reality reckoning that I started. It's 110 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: that there's nothing I can really fully do to control it. 111 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: The thing that's interesting about you, and why I was 112 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: interested in talking to you is because you are not 113 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: a disgruntled employee. You were not fired, you have a career, 114 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: you're earning an income, You're not suing anyone. So you 115 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: are just expressing yourself, which is courageous because like me, 116 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 3: there's no upside to you doing this, like you're doing 117 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: this because what it's se you'll tell me why you're 118 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: doing this, But from my viewpoint, you are doing this 119 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 3: because you just think it's the right thing to do, 120 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: which is courageous because so many crew members have reached 121 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: out to me, and you're a crew member, which makes 122 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: this drastically different. You never you didn't monetize in the 123 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: way that a housewife did. You didn't make millions of dollars. 124 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: You're not begging to come back. You are a crew member. 125 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 3: And I talked a lot about the crew members because 126 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: they are invisible and forgotten, and many people feel exploited 127 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: in the crew community. But they don't have a void 128 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: because they don't have the same value. And that became 129 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: really prevalent during the strike because during the strike everybody 130 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: was out of work. But housewives can make money doing 131 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: other things and be home doing Zooms, the crew really 132 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: could not make any money, and they also didn't have 133 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: a voice, and they were desperate to get work again, 134 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: so they certainly weren't going to say how they felt. 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: So you stand out. 136 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for saying that. Well, yeah, I mean, 137 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: obviously the reality reckoning happening a couple of years ago 138 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: definitely like started this conversation, you know, And I think 139 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: that you know, I was working on vander Pump Rules 140 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: in the midst of that happening, and I will say 141 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: just from like the vibe of the crews and the 142 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: people that I worked with, because, like you said, crew 143 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: members and people behind the scenes don't have as loud 144 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: of a voice, Like their voices weren't being represented as 145 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: loudly in that beginning of that movement. You know, you 146 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: had a lot of big cast members coming out and 147 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: speaking of their you know, mistreatment and the things that 148 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: they went through. And I know you said, you know, 149 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 2: you talked to some crew members as well, but even still, 150 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: like I just because those people aren't known, their voices 151 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: aren't amplified, it kind of gets lost in the sauce. 152 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: So I feel like at the beginning of that movement, 153 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: like maybe like some of the crew's producers didn't feel 154 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: as represented in that at the beginning, you know, so 155 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: because they weren't like seeing their stories kind of being 156 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: talked about and the things that they've gone through being 157 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: talked about as loudly and as prevalently as some of 158 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: these BRA celebrities. But they're there, the stories are there. 159 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: I mean, like like you said, I have been so 160 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: blown away and overwhelmed by the response that I have 161 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: gotten since I posted those videos. I'm talking like hundreds 162 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: and hundreds of messages from crew members, producers, cast members 163 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: past and present, like you said, thanking me for saying 164 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: the things I said. Thank you for saying the things 165 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: that we've all been wanting to say for years but 166 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: haven't been able to because we need to work. You know. 167 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: Wow. 168 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: So I am. I do feel like I'm in a 169 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: unique position now because I don't want to go back 170 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: to that you know what I mean. I don't want 171 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: to go back to that grind. I've found, you know, 172 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: so much more of a peaceful life, you know, doing OnlyFans, 173 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: you know, doing my own thing, generating my own income 174 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: and being in charge of my own stuff, you know. 175 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: Setting your own limits and the way you are treated. 176 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 177 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: Let's compare your work self worth and work life balance 178 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: experience on Only Fans between OnlyFans and working on reality 179 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: TV and Bravo financially, emotionally, spiritually, all of it. 180 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, I can tell you with one 181 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: hundred percent conviction that my life is far less toxic 182 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: and filled with much less drama now that I am 183 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: working like in adult entertainment on OnlyFans than I was 184 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: when I was working in reality you know, like I 185 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: said in the video I posted, on most of these shows, 186 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: you're working like six days a week, You're shooting five days, 187 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: and then a lot of times on these shows there's 188 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: a six day which has spent in the office looking 189 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: at that whiteboard all day. So you've got a Sunday off, 190 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: you know, to get your laundry done, to get your 191 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: earan's done, and get your life back together before you're 192 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: shooting the next day. My life is completely different now. 193 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: I like spend months set of time traveling to different 194 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: countries to film for OnlyFans, and most of the time 195 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: on these trips is spent like enjoying myself and having fun, 196 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: and like maybe fifteen percent of the time is spent filming, 197 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: you know, and working, editing, doing that kind of stuff. 198 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: So the work life balance is just completely different. I 199 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: mean in terms of my mental health and my peace 200 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: and just like my general happiness and enjoyment of life. 201 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: It's night and day, you know, night and day. I 202 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 2: feel like from I'm working on those shows, I mean, 203 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: you are living for that show for those three four 204 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: months while you're in production on a housewive show or 205 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that is your life, you know, especially if 206 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 2: you're on location. 207 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: So let's talk about the quality of the work, the 208 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: actual work and the morality of the work. What about 209 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: the actual work, what you're doing, how do you feel 210 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: about it? 211 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I will say that I feel 212 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: that reality TV is far more invasive than adult entertainment 213 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: than OnlyFans, you know, and I'm having sex with people, 214 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And it's like that is 215 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: much less invasive to me than some of the things 216 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: that I have been behind the camera for filming for 217 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: these shows. 218 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: You know, you feel more morally compromised on reality television 219 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: than you do doing adult entertainment one hundred percent. 220 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't feel morally compromised at all. Doing 221 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: adult entertainment, Like it's the most human, humanly natural thing 222 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: a human can do is to like have sex. Right, 223 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: So I don't think I have I don't feel anything 224 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: im moral about what I'm doing on OnlyFans, But yeah, 225 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: there were definitely some moral dilemmas that I experienced in 226 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: my later years at Bravo for sure. 227 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: What are the biggest moral dilemmas you faced doing reality television? 228 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 3: What were the moments where you questioned your own integrity. 229 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was me questioning my own integrity, 230 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: but questioning what it is we were all doing as 231 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: a whole. I don't think it was one singular moment. 232 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: I think it's been a journey, okay getting there. I 233 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 2: mentioned in the video that I made. I think at 234 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: the beginning, the first couple of years, I was like 235 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: blinded to the toxic environment by my excitement to just 236 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: be there. You know, I was a Housewives fan. I've 237 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: watched it for years before I started producing these shows, 238 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: and it was like fun. You know, they're like, oh shit, 239 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: I'm in here, Like, oh, we'sturn some shit up between 240 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: like candy and charat. You know, like you know you're 241 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: having a good time, and then you know, as time 242 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: goes on, you're like, oh wow, this is like really 243 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: taking a toll on this woman here, you know, like 244 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: or this just seeing how absolutely spent the my colleagues 245 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: were and barely even being able to like stay awake 246 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: at times on these cash trips because they're so exhausted. 247 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: But I will say in terms of the content we 248 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: were shooting, the first time, I like kind of paused 249 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: and took a step back to myself internally, was like, 250 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: whoa wait, what are we doing here? Well, I would 251 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: have to say was during scandabal with that reunion with 252 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: Rachel Levis fascinating. Yeah, that was uh, you know, I 253 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: produced both of the scandaball seasons of Faint of Pump Rules. 254 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: I did seasons nine and ten, and and so my 255 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: first season was season ten when that big scandal broke 256 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: at the very end. And it's so funny because you know, 257 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 2: I worked really closely with Rachel that season about kind 258 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: of like finding her voice and like stepping into her own. 259 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: This is kind of like she's coming out of her 260 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: relationship with James and she's now a character on the 261 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: show on her own, so she's not part of this 262 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: couple anymore. So we kind of talked a lot about 263 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: like stepping into her own power as you know, as 264 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: an individual on the show, and we really like leaned 265 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: into that a lot. And she had a great season 266 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: that year. Like during production, that was Raquel's season, Like 267 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: everybody knew it. Everybody was talking about it, like, oh 268 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: my god, like look at this. By the way, going 269 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: into that season, you know that she was the highest 270 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: rated cast member in terms of market research, Like wow, 271 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: coming out of season nine and going into ten, she 272 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: was the highest rated one more than Lisa. 273 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Oh what a fault, what a demise? 274 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so and even like after we kind of 275 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: got to the end of filming, it was like Raquel 276 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: really really gave us a season here, you know, and 277 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: she was kind of like having a hero arc actually. 278 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: And then you know, a few weeks after rewrap, of 279 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: course we all know what happened. But yeah, that was 280 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: a fascinating thing to be a part of and to witness. 281 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: And look, I don't want to act like sitting here, 282 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: like the entire time we were going through it, I 283 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: was like this is problematic and fucked up, you know 284 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: what I mean. It wasn't like that it was kind 285 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: of like, you know, this is the job I've been 286 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: doing for years, but suddenly there's this amplified attention on 287 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: this and the vitriol from the world that started to 288 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: kick up was pretty intense, you know. And so for 289 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, like here you had and look, 290 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: I understand that this was a very upsetting thing, and 291 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: I have a lot of empathy for what Arianna went 292 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: through on that show, you know, and and all the 293 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: pain that she experienced. Absolutely, but like Arianna had like 294 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: the entire world rallying around her, you know what I mean, 295 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: So in that moment, you know, that's a lot of 296 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: support and that kind of can soften the blow of 297 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: this really painful experience she was going through, which she's 298 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: entitled to feel about however she feels, right. But then 299 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: on the flip side, you have Rachel and Tom Sandibal, 300 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: who are suddenly like the most hated people in America. 301 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: And so for weeks you're building up to this like 302 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: amping it up, amping it up, amping it up, of 303 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: this vitriol towards them, and then we get to this 304 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:50,359 Speaker 2: reunion where I mean, they and specifically specifically Rachel got annihilated, 305 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: you know, So I spent that entire day with Rachel 306 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: that reunion. We met super early in the morning, went 307 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: and shot like a one on one interview with and 308 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: and Dy, and then I rode in the van with 309 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: her together over to the reunion stage. Like we stopped 310 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: and got a smoothie on the way there, and just 311 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: kind of worth catching up, you know, like since because 312 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 2: we weren't filming, you know, when that all happened, so 313 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: like I hadn't seen her in a minute, so we 314 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: were just kind of like catching up on everything that 315 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: had been going on and and what she'd been going through. 316 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: And I like, I could only imagine what she felt 317 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: like that day. Being swept shamed by the entire world 318 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: is something I don't think many people could understand. I 319 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: don't even know what it could have felt like, but 320 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: I know that it couldn't have felt good, you know. 321 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: So we get to that reunion and you know, we 322 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: were in this trailer like across the street the whole 323 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: day because you know, there was like a restraining order 324 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: filed so her and Sheena couldn't be in the same building. 325 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: So Quel was in a trailer watching most of the 326 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: reunion until it was her turn to come on stage. 327 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: So it was such a wild experience because it felt 328 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: like I was like sitting there with someone and you're 329 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: like watching a Housewives reunion, right, and you're like you're 330 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: seeing you know, Phedra like annihilate Kenya, you know, with 331 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: some read right, and then it's like sending. It's like 332 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: watching that and like all right, now it's your turn. 333 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: You're gonna go in there and get read by them, 334 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: or you know. It was it was a wild experience 335 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: to watch your reunion with the person who everyone is 336 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: talking about and just destroying. 337 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: And what did you feel like her going into that? 338 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: What was she walking into. 339 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: We sat there for hours watching, you know, just and look, 340 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: I love a lot of those girls on that show. 341 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: I think they're great and I care for them a lot. 342 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: Everybody was really upset that day, and at that time 343 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: it was a moment of pause. You know. Yeah, so 344 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 2: I'm sitting there with her for hours watching everyone trash her, 345 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: and then it's like, well, all right, let's walk on over. 346 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 2: You're ready. You know. It felt like I was walking 347 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: her into a firing squad, you know, like we were 348 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: walking the green mile to her execution. 349 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 3: Wow. 350 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 2: And then sitting there and just like watching her get 351 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: just destroyed for look making a mistake. I mean, look, 352 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: they made a mistake, you know, which I think is 353 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 2: the most human thing we can do. We all make mistakes. 354 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: So I think it just like the sensationalism of it 355 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: all just kind of folded in on itself and like 356 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: everyone got so amped up by it, and like and 357 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: the cast got amped up by it, and then the 358 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: more attention the show got, it was just like it 359 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: was at a level like one hundred, you know. And 360 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: so you get her in there, and I mean, I'm sorry, 361 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: but to be called subhuman and to be told that 362 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 2: you should be fucked by a cheese greater like on 363 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: national television, I think is pretty pretty unacceptable and disgusting. 364 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: But but you know, like I'm pretty sure ten years 365 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: from now, when we look back and watched that reunion again, 366 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: I think people will look at that with a different 367 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: set of eyes as a society. 368 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: And I think ten days, I think when Rachel sat down, 369 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: when she walked into talking to me, one hundred percent 370 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: of the country hated her. Now I think probably fifty 371 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 3: percent like she got because people have said to me 372 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: on the street, oh my god, because people I have 373 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: the chills. I have no frame of reference. And people 374 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 3: criticized me for interviewing her when I wasn't a fan 375 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 3: of the show. I hadn't watched the show. I saw 376 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: that and I thought amy in say, like, what could 377 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 3: she did? She kill someone's mother? Like she was annihilated 378 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: and emotionally abused, and when she tried to walk off 379 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: the reunion, she was told to come back. Yeah, so 380 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: I think you're it's interesting because it became better ratings 381 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 3: to despise her, like it was working for everybody, was 382 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 3: working for the network, it was working for the people, 383 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: the cast members. It just became good television and good 384 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: ratings to hate her. And you know, there's a line, 385 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 3: and it crossed it. And they would have paid her 386 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: anything to come back too, So she didn't go for 387 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 3: the money. Like there are things that people criticize people about. 388 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: And yes, she made a drastic mistake. And I don't 389 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: even I know her from the interview and from this experience, 390 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: So it's not like I'm vouching for her. 391 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: I'm saying she's a human. I know that. 392 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she chose her piece. She chose her 393 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: piece over this whole glitz and glamor of this whole thing, 394 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: because I think she realized that she didn't want to 395 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: wear the golden handcuffs anymore. You know. 396 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: So, what responsibility do you think that Andy and Lisa 397 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: who were there? Andy's a figurehead at the network, if 398 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: not technically a producer, he used to be a producer. 399 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: He's a figurehead at the network. That he and Lisa 400 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: vander Pump, who's an executive producer, what responsibility do they 401 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: hold in that experience? And also in asking her about 402 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: her meds? And then what responsibility does the production hold, 403 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 3: the production company hold, and then the network like who 404 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: are the characters and what responsibility do they all bear 405 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: in this. 406 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: Type of situation? Well, no one said anything. 407 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: It's like someone's bleeding on the side of the road 408 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 3: and no one said anything. So does anyone bear that 409 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 3: responsibility or do they all bear that responsibility? 410 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: Who's accountable? 411 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guess that would have to fall 412 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: on the production company in the network. I guess. I 413 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: mean they're all there, you know, the head of the 414 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 2: production company is there at the reunion. Network executives are 415 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: there at the reunion. The people who had the power 416 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: to intervene in any way we're all there, you know 417 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: what I mean? I think that if one of them 418 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: had done that, I think that it would have been 419 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: listened to, you know, Okay, I mean in the moment 420 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: when it's all happening, like, I don't think I was 421 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: thinking like who's doing something about this or whatnot. I 422 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: just think in the moment I was thinking like holy shit, 423 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: like this is brutal and this is this is like 424 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: painful to watch, you know, and it's like is this God? 425 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: Is this all right? You know what I mean? 426 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: Like Okay, Well, that's that's where the moral compass comes 427 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: in because as a person in reality TV, I've said 428 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: it's the upside down. So what's happening in my from 429 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: my point of view is you're excited something's happening because 430 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: it's good for the show. So what's good for the 431 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 3: show is not good for the individual and for the 432 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 3: for the for the mental health. What is extraordinary for 433 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: the show? What is game changer? Ratings, Emmys and like 434 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 3: can make or break a show that was on its 435 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: last legs is horrendous for the individual. So it's almost 436 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 3: like big corporation is making all this money, but the 437 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: people out there are getting cancer by being exposed to 438 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: the radiation. 439 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely at the expense. It's all coming 440 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: in someone's expense. You know, any big story, in saalacious 441 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: event that happens on these shows is coming at a 442 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: huge price to someone, you know, and it's uh, it 443 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: can be crazy, and you're right, drama and salacious scandals 444 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: are rewarded on these shows. 445 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: So have you heard from anyone from Bravo or anyone 446 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: from you know, production or anything like that since you 447 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: posted your video. 448 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: I have not heard anyone direct like from directly from Bravo. No. 449 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: I did, however, get one call from someone that was 450 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: trying to steer me in the opposite direction, and that 451 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: was from Lisa vander Pump. 452 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: Actually, oh interesting. Do you have a relationship with her? 453 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: Well, I worked with her for two years, you know, 454 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: I produced two seasons of vander Pump Rules. We always 455 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: had a really great working relationship. You know, we weren't 456 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: super close or anything, but you know, always had a great, 457 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: great relationship. I haven't spoken to her since we wrapped 458 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: season eleven of vander Pump Rules. And then over the 459 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: weekend after I posted the video, I got a call 460 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: from Lisa and I mean, I really hate to say 461 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 2: this because I'm very disappointed by the call, but in 462 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: my opinion, she was calling to manipulate me and use 463 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 2: In my opinion, she was calling to extract information from me, 464 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: to see what I was going to do next, to 465 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: give me the name, specific names, and to discourage me 466 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: from speaking out on this. Unfortunately, I think she was 467 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: trying to exploit my good relationship with her and take 468 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: advantage of our good working relationship to get information from 469 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: me on behalf of someone at either the production company 470 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: or the network. And if she's very close with people 471 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 2: at the top of the production company and people at 472 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: the top of the network, what's bad for Bravo's business 473 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: is bad for Lisa Vanderpump's business. And look, I'm a 474 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: reality TV producer. I know how to extract information from someone, 475 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: and I know when someone's doing that to me fascinating. 476 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: That's so fascinating. I would never have thought of that 477 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: on my own. Well, that's so fascinating. 478 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: Interesting, like you, Well, yeah, I mean, I did two 479 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: seasons of that show with Lisa. We talked to her 480 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: a lot of times before a scene where we were 481 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: going to talk to one of the cast members, and 482 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 2: I've seen her do this very thing too many of them, 483 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And so it was kind 484 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: of mind blowing for me to be sitting here in Thailand. 485 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: It's eleven PM and I get a call from Lisa Vanterpump. 486 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: The first words out of her mouth after staying hello were, so, 487 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: is it just these two videos then? Or is there 488 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 2: more to come? You know, like trying to see if 489 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: I was going to be continuing to speak, but all 490 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: under the guise of our friendship. You know, she's calling 491 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 2: me as a friend and no one had she had 492 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 2: spoken to no one about this beforehand. I think she 493 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 2: reiterated that about three times on the phone call. 494 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: You're the only person she spoke to. 495 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: And well, I was like honestly disappointed in her by 496 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: the call because I knew exactly what she was doing, 497 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And uh, it's did not 498 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: feel good to get that call, honestly, And I mean, 499 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: what it told me is that like they're listening, you 500 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 2: know what I mean, They hear what I'm saying, and 501 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: they know that. 502 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: I'm right, you know, yes, And so you're strong. You're 503 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: the strongest person I've spoken to so far. Period period 504 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 3: the end, everybody talks a big game. 505 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, she called me, and you know, 506 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: she was saying, like, you know, you know how much 507 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: I loved working with you, and how I know how 508 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: empathetic you are, and you have such a bright future 509 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 2: ahead of you. I would just hate to see you 510 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: do something that's going to cost you jobs in the future. 511 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: And then when I kind of you know, she didn't 512 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: ask me, like, do you still want to work in 513 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 2: this industry? And I was like, you know, not really, 514 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: you know, my life's kind of moving in a different direction. 515 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: And she asked me, like, what do you stand to 516 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: gain from doing all of this? And I said, well, Lisa, 517 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 2: I don't. Well, I think the reason that a lot 518 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 2: of people are resonating with what I'm saying is because 519 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: I don't really stand a lot to gain for what 520 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: I'm doing here other than trying to like initiate some 521 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: change for these hard working crews, you know, on my 522 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: way out. So I don't like really see a negative side. 523 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: And honestly, the only people that would have a problem 524 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: with what I said in that video are the people 525 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: who are perpetuating the toxic culture that I speak of. 526 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting. 527 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: So for me, it felt like this call was coming 528 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: on behalf of the realm, and I felt really gross 529 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: to be like manipulating, and it just it was kind 530 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: of comical to me to have it being done to 531 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: me in such a way that I've seen it being 532 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: done to these other cast members. 533 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: Oh, you were a cast member for a moment, like 534 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: you were a cast member. 535 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: Yes, she was trying to produce me. Yeah, she was 536 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: trying to produce me. Wow, you know, I felt like 537 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: she was trying to produce me. So yeah. And she 538 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: also then began hounding me for names of specific people 539 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: who were mistreating the crew, you know, so like Jolie, 540 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: who are these showroomers that are treating the crew horribly? 541 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, Lisa, there's many showrunners that do that, 542 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: you know, And she's like, well, who specifically I need 543 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: to know because I'm in charge of hiring these people 544 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: that I need to know so I don't hire them, 545 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: you know, And I'm like, okay, you know, I didn't, like, 546 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: you know, I didn't take de bait. But it felt 547 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: like it was such a blatant manipulation to me because 548 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: then in the next breath she was talking about well, 549 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: I mean, would you would you want to come back 550 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: to vander Pump rules, you know? And I was like, no, 551 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to come back to vander Pump Rules 552 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: at this point, you know what I mean. So I 553 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: just kind of felt like throwing things at the wall, like, oh, well, 554 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: maybe he wants to come back or I don't know. 555 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: It was it was very strange. It was like throwing 556 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: things at the wall to see what might work well, 557 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: scaring you out of your future jobs. Oh well he 558 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: doesn't care anymore, Okay, well maybe would you want to 559 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: come back to this or do you what? It was 560 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: just very much like trying to get a gauge of 561 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: where I was, where my mind was, to see like 562 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: what kind of strategy we could move forward with, you 563 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: know what? That's yeah, that's what it very much felt like. 564 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 2: And then she was so she kept literally pressing for names, 565 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: and I was like, Lisa, you know, I'm not going 566 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: to say any names, and she goes, come on, now 567 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: you open the door, now walk through it. I'm like, 568 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: what when. 569 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 3: You're ironically trying to protect the crew, which brings me 570 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: to ask. 571 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: I know, I'm like, why would you? Why would anyone 572 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: have a problem with us speaking out about crew members 573 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: being mistreated. I'm like, don't you want the crews to 574 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: be taken care of on your shows? Like? Why do 575 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: you want me to stop talking about this? This is important? 576 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: You know? 577 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: So why now? Why me? Why here? 578 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: Why now? I think it's important for me to speak 579 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: about this now because I have the opportunity to. You know, 580 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: I'm no longer at the mercy of these networks or 581 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: the production company. They have nothing that I want any longer. 582 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: So I have nothing to lose by speaking out on 583 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: these mistreatments that are going on. And if I can 584 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: impart some change on my way out of these shows, 585 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: then why would I not want to do that? If 586 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: on my way out I can make their lives a 587 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: little better or maybe initiate some change and bring some 588 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: light to this, then That's what I'm gonna do. 589 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: There's an audience faction, it's reduced, but that are like 590 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 3: they will say, oh, Bethany, they you know this is 591 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: they made you. They did not make me. I was 592 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 3: successful in anything I was going to do. I'm more 593 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: successful now astronomically in different spaces than then. So I 594 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 3: was going to be successful because I grew up in 595 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 3: a very abusive, crazy life at the racetrack, and I 596 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 3: am a survivor. It is why I'm aggressive and it's 597 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: who I am. But they made money off my back. 598 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: They got other people to do that show based on 599 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: the success that I had. I'm the only one that's 600 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 3: ever had that level of success. And the other people 601 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: would come and do the show and say to producers, 602 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard it that they wanted to do 603 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 3: what I had done. So many producers I'm not going 604 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 3: to name the names, have said to me, oh my god, 605 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: every Housewife comes in and says they want to do 606 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 3: what Bethany did, so coming for me, it doesn't land 607 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: because people are like, oh my god, you made more 608 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: money than anyone, and I want to shoot on the 609 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: hand that fed you, and I'm like, I've fed the 610 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 3: hand too. 611 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well literally also case in point, I mean it 612 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: goes for the crew too. I mean there was a 613 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: report that came out recently that Housewives generated over three 614 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars for Peacock last year, all while the 615 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: rate of pay for producers and crew members has gone 616 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 2: unchanged for like the past decade. You know, there's been 617 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: no increase in the rates of each position in so 618 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: many years. While the network and Peacock is raking in 619 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of dollars, how about putting 620 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: some of that money in the cameraman's pockets who is 621 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: literally carrying the show on his back, or putting those 622 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: in the pockets of the producers who are working day 623 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: and night to bring these stories to life. Maybe maybe 624 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: compensate them for some of the work they're doing and 625 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: maybe start treating them better. 626 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 3: Well, here's who has reached out to you, Which is 627 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: interesting because, like I said, I started this by saying, 628 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 3: it's remarkable the people who are currently on the show 629 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: would would say something to you. 630 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: So there's a ship. 631 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: So these are the people who commented publicly. 632 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, these are the people that commented publicly. Crystal Kung Minkoff, 633 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 3: you were a shining light during very challenging experiences for 634 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 3: me miss seeing you on a daily heart the real Candice, 635 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 3: my Darling Gaga, you shine for all of us in 636 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: a world that is sometimes dark, twisty and convoluted. 637 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: You are a light. You are brave. I love you 638 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: so much. 639 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 3: And then she said Reality TV cast and crew Needa 640 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 3: Union full stop. Thank you for saying the quiet part 641 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 3: out loud, Love you down. And then Vander Pump Rules 642 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 3: Co executive producer, Love you and loved working with you. 643 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. 644 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 3: Sharis Jackson, Jordan Potomac happiness over everything. You're such an 645 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 3: amazing person and by far one of the realist producers 646 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 3: in the industry. 647 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: Wishing you the very best. 648 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: Robin Dixon Potomac, I love you, Patrick Jason Augustine, who's 649 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 3: an audio mixer on Winter House said absolutely loved working 650 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 3: with you. Thank you for saying all this. I wish 651 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 3: you the very best in your endeavors. The whole industry 652 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 3: needs to be unionized. Lauren Flucker, segment producer, two seasons 653 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Atlanta, also Beverly Hills. My mentor, I'm 654 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: gonna cry, my mentor my friend. I love you and 655 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: is always. I appreciate your transparency. I so hate that 656 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 3: it came to this, because your passion for any project 657 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: or show you take on is truly aspirational. I've become 658 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: a better producer and person under your tutelage and with 659 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: your advocacy. 660 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: We see you. Thanks for sharing. I love you. 661 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 3: And then last DP and head of camera Department band Apart, 662 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 3: Brules Patrick, I consider you one of the best producers 663 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 3: I've ever known, but more importantly, I consider you a friend. 664 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 3: So while we may be losing one of the best 665 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 3: producers out there, I'm just glad you found that work 666 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 3: life balance. So many of us in the reality TV 667 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 3: industry are constantly chasing love you, brother. Those people will 668 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 3: have been reprimanded by now, and I give them a 669 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 3: shout out too, because it's courageous even to like and 670 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 3: comment on your video, which they did, which speaks to 671 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 3: you and why we're talking and why so many people 672 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 3: have reached out to me. But I wanted to talk 673 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 3: to you because I felt that you had the best 674 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 3: intentions with no agenda. 675 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Bethany. I do appreciate that very much, 676 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 2: and I appreciate you inviting me on to talk about 677 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: this and to continue this conversation about this treatment that's 678 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: clearly been going on for many years now, like you said, 679 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: started doing this like two years ago, and I'm glad 680 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 2: to see that people are starting to talk about it 681 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: again and that it's starting to come back up. I mean, 682 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 2: you just read all of those amazing things that people 683 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: said about me. I mean, I feel that way about 684 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 2: those people. You know. So those people are still in 685 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: that world. They're still working, they're still doing that, They're 686 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: still busting their ass on those cast strips, they're still 687 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: schlepping around these tropical locations in the heat, you know, sweating. 688 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: So were you nervous about talking to me about it? 689 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I was. 690 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 3: Actually I'm flattered and grateful that you chose to talk 691 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: talk to me, hear about it, because I don't really 692 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 3: talk about this stuff that much, you know often. 693 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 2: No, I wasn't nervous to talk to you at all. 694 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you're you know, you've been in it. You 695 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 2: know what I mean, So you get it. So you 696 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. You've seen it. 697 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 3: So you know, Listen, you should be very proud of yourself. 698 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 3: You should feel strong. You should feel honored that you're 699 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 3: speaking up, that you're living in your truth, that you're 700 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 3: doing what you want to do. It's very hard to 701 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 3: speak up. These are very powerful entities that are layered 702 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 3: and tentacles and they will. You know, this is extremely courageous. 703 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 3: I have to say this to you. This is extremely courageous. 704 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 3: Like I said, I recognize that even the people commenting 705 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: they're not in my financial position, they don't you know, 706 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 3: they don't have a nest egg. This is extremely honorable 707 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 3: and courageous where people live paycheck to paycheck. So that 708 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 3: I would like to say, you are a class act. 709 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: You are honorable, you are honest, you are courageous, You 710 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 3: have no agenda, you're the best intentions. 711 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: People love you. 712 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 3: You're beloved by cast, by crew, you are respected, and 713 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 3: I'm really grateful, So I thank you. 714 00:37:46,680 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 2: Thanks Tethany, thanks for having me go walk back to 715 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 2: the after walk back to the paster