Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello Elizabeth Dutton, zaren.
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Speaker 1: he got a second. I got a story for you.
Speaker 1: That's really ridiculous. I'm just sitting here eating a canna
Speaker 1: be no cold too. I think that's so good. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I got a clean spoon. If you want, please, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you one second. But in the meantime, how about
Speaker 1: a story? Yes, please, Okay. This is the story of
Speaker 1: a woman who was a white collar criminal. Okay, kind
Speaker 1: of buy that? I mean she well, you know I
Speaker 1: always say, if you're gonna steal, steal big yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: well she listened. Well, she actually preceded me all but well.
Speaker 1: Over her career. She's still somewhere in the neighborhood of
Speaker 1: three million dollars in jewelry. Oh yeah, She's known as
Speaker 1: America's greatest living jewel thief. Her crime career lasted seventy years.
Speaker 1: She kept a fistful of fake passports she had at
Speaker 1: least nine identities eleven different social Security numbers. Her FBI
Speaker 1: file is reported to be six feet long. What. Yes,
Speaker 1: she also has an intropol file and a Scotland yardfile
Speaker 1: because she international like that. Oh my gosh, I'm still
Speaker 1: stuck on six feet of paper, I know, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what that's like, you know, Congress printing styles anyway,
Speaker 1: international jewel thief without equal. Her name is Diamond Doris pain.
Speaker 1: What a great name. This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast
Speaker 1: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Sarah, I bring to you today story. And this
Speaker 1: story begins in the tiny forgotten hamlet of slab Fork,
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Slab FORKHA population two hundred. Yeah. Have you
Speaker 1: ever been to a slab Fork? No, I can't say
Speaker 1: I've graced their travels, have never taken you there. Well,
Speaker 1: if you had been there, you would have learned that
Speaker 1: it is the hometown of our anti hero of today,
Speaker 1: Diamond Doris Paine. She was born in slab Fork, West Virginia,
Speaker 1: in October tenth, nineteen thirty. Surprisingly, despite its tiny side.
Speaker 1: Old Diamond Doris is not the most famous person from
Speaker 1: slab Fork, West Virginia. Really, you'd care to take a
Speaker 1: guess at who might also be a famous slab for
Speaker 1: son or daughter of slab Pork make this into twenty questions,
Speaker 1: but that would drag this out. Okay, I'll give you him.
Speaker 1: It's a singer, okay, and he sings songs that he
Speaker 1: you know him, John Denver, No, good, guess Bill Withers.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Bill Withers is apparently from this town. So
Speaker 1: it's a tiny town in Raleigh County, right there along
Speaker 1: Route fifty four. As if I know where that is. Now,
Speaker 1: what I do know is it's kind of place that
Speaker 1: people like the locals struggle to escape, right And Diamond
Speaker 1: Doris Pain, she was like, I'm not about this life,
Speaker 1: because this is the kind of place currently has like
Speaker 1: a median income about twenty percent below the US national average.
Speaker 1: Church's very West Virginia coal Mine County community. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: So little has changed since Diamond Doris Pain grew up
Speaker 1: in slab Pork, Right, but she managed to get out,
Speaker 1: and the way she managed to do this was a
Speaker 1: life of crime. Nice, So she didn't choose crime though,
Speaker 1: because she felt like, Oh, I'm less stan and I
Speaker 1: would just like to strike back at the world. Or
Speaker 1: I'm some poor girl who needs to steal her way
Speaker 1: out of slab fork, and I would just want to
Speaker 1: grab finer things. No, none of that was her stuff,
Speaker 1: because luckily we have for us in our entertainment diamond
Speaker 1: Doris Payne has written a memoir as well as in
Speaker 1: the focus of a documentary. She's done numerous interviews. She
Speaker 1: likes pressed, I like that she wrote a book. We
Speaker 1: rely on that, Yes, exactly, so I got plenty of
Speaker 1: things in her own words. So in the words of
Speaker 1: Doris Payne, she said, I had all the things every
Speaker 1: little girl had. I was not raised to believe anyone
Speaker 1: was better than me because of skin color, or that
Speaker 1: there was anything that I could not have. It turns
Speaker 1: out what it was was she just really likes stealing diamonds.
Speaker 1: That was her emma, and as she grew up this
Speaker 1: became more and more self evident. The more she was
Speaker 1: around diamonds, the more she was like, Hey, you can't
Speaker 1: keep these sticky paws off these things. So, like Lauretta Lynn,
Speaker 1: she was, I said, raised as a coal miner's daughter. Now,
Speaker 1: her father was a black man, David Payne. Her mother
Speaker 1: was a Cherokee woman named Clemmy Paine. And while she
Speaker 1: was still a little girl, Diamond Doris relocated with her
Speaker 1: parents from West Virginia to neighboring Ohio. And she was
Speaker 1: about a teen at this time. So when she gets
Speaker 1: so higoh, she decides, I'm going to reinvent myself. Yeah right, So,
Speaker 1: being you know, a teenager, she turns to the imitation
Speaker 1: of adults, right right, She's like, quote from a little girl,
Speaker 1: I like to dress up. I had my purse in
Speaker 1: my hat. I played a game by myself called Miss Lady,
Speaker 1: Miss Lady. Yes, so cute. But her Miss Lady was
Speaker 1: based on careful study of the actress Vivian Ley, you know,
Speaker 1: Scarlett O'Hara and gone with the win. So she projects
Speaker 1: onto her all of her dreams of adult femininity. And
Speaker 1: so this is where she also first learned to carry
Speaker 1: herself in a way that made nervous Jewel Story employees
Speaker 1: relax her suspicions because she was Miss Lady. I next
Speaker 1: time I have to like get dressed and go out somewhere,
Speaker 1: I'm going to call myself. Miss I'm going to do,
Speaker 1: Miss lady. You're look in the mirror. You're looking good,
Speaker 1: miss lady. Exactly. Now her crime career, it starts informally.
Speaker 1: She pulls off her first job when she was just
Speaker 1: thirteen years old. Thirteen. It wasn't a diamond though when
Speaker 1: she started thirteen, So her mother made her promise, you know,
Speaker 1: she'd get her a new watches. She got good grades,
Speaker 1: which Doris did. She was good to her word, and
Speaker 1: her mother took her to her jewelry store because she
Speaker 1: was also good to her word, and she said, let's
Speaker 1: go pick you out a watch. So they get there
Speaker 1: and remember this is you know, basically parts of Ohio
Speaker 1: and parts of Indiana are a lot like the south, right,
Speaker 1: the southern parts of those states in particular, if you're
Speaker 1: outside of her major city, you're going to, especially at
Speaker 1: this time, encounter a lot of racism essentially. So this
Speaker 1: is what happens. Right, the store owner is waiting on
Speaker 1: her and her mother, and they're surprised because the store
Speaker 1: owner is friendly, he is attentive, He shows them numerous watches.
Speaker 1: This is not at all with the expective when they
Speaker 1: went into the store. Right, a second customer comes into
Speaker 1: the store, a white man, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the store owner he leaves a mother and the daughter
Speaker 1: to go wait on this white man. Right, but first
Speaker 1: he had to make it clear to them that he
Speaker 1: is not cool with black people. He had made it
Speaker 1: clear to the new cus right, so he ordered Doris
Speaker 1: and her mother to leave the store right now. This
Speaker 1: is his big mistake because he has forgotten that Doris
Speaker 1: has tried on a watch, so his racism makes him stupid,
Speaker 1: and he then just sends her out of the store
Speaker 1: to cost him. Because Doris and her mother do as instructed,
Speaker 1: they leave the store and down the block, Doris notices
Speaker 1: that she still has the watch on. She did not
Speaker 1: intentionally walk out of the store with the watch, and
Speaker 1: her mother didn't think she'd watch. She still had the
Speaker 1: watch on. It's just a harmless mistake. So she stops.
Speaker 1: And Doris is about to go back to the store
Speaker 1: and return the watch and do the good thing, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she's like, you know what to
Speaker 1: hell with that racist? Yeah no, it's the racism text. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's like, you told me to get out. I listened
Speaker 1: to you, So if your dumb head wants me out
Speaker 1: of your store for your reasons. Well, your biggot's gonna
Speaker 1: cost you. And so she let him, and she decides
Speaker 1: to keep the watch. And Diamond Doris put it, it
Speaker 1: was punishment. In the back of my head, I was saying,
Speaker 1: take that. So this little girl realizes that crime can
Speaker 1: be a way for her to balance the scales of
Speaker 1: injustice in her society. Well, and the guy, he was
Speaker 1: gonna make money on them, and they came in to
Speaker 1: purchase and they were doing all this stuff that you
Speaker 1: want people to ye, parents, rewarding children for achievement, all
Speaker 1: the stuff. And then they're like, oh, I gotta show
Speaker 1: out for this other guy. So I need to get
Speaker 1: out here. What a small, pitiful life that I had exactly,
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, pity the man. So but anyway,
Speaker 1: Diamond Doris pay. Yeah, she learns a vital lesson, one
Speaker 1: that would stay with her for the rest of her days.
Speaker 1: And the lesson was this, Elizabeth, if she wanted to
Speaker 1: walk out with an expensive item, all she apparently needed
Speaker 1: was a distraction. Yeah, right, So this is when she
Speaker 1: begins to practice her life, her future life as a
Speaker 1: master criminal. So, at age sixteen, she and her girlfriend
Speaker 1: would go and they'd hop on a bus and they'd
Speaker 1: take the three hour trip over to the big city
Speaker 1: of Cleveland, and then they would go down to the
Speaker 1: jewelry stores and they'd pull off the old five finger
Speaker 1: discount like at a place like wool Worse, and then
Speaker 1: you know, then they would get back on the bus.
Speaker 1: And now this isn't Doris's words. She was basically talking
Speaker 1: about how these other folks on the bus would see
Speaker 1: her and her girlfriend. She said, quote some black woman
Speaker 1: who rode in the back of the bus like ever,
Speaker 1: they are other black Cleveland woman headed to her subservient job.
Speaker 1: So she knows people are looking past her, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this is not at all how she sees herself,
Speaker 1: all right, she said, quote on weekend, I was Doris Paine,
Speaker 1: jewel thief in training. So everyone else's a subservient black
Speaker 1: woman in the back of the bus. She's like, I
Speaker 1: am a cat criminal. Do not know? Now? Sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Doris pain She and her girlfriend, as I told you,
Speaker 1: they've been taking their trips to practice stealing watches from Woolworth.
Speaker 1: She eventually gets good at this. She graduates from high
Speaker 1: school without getting caught as a young thief. She starts
Speaker 1: to life as a nurse in a nursing home where
Speaker 1: she you know, she's wanted to get out of her house.
Speaker 1: So she gets a job. So things are going well.
Speaker 1: Her father was an abusive drunk, so he basically pushed
Speaker 1: her out and decided, you know, I just need to
Speaker 1: get some stable job, right. So while she's doing this,
Speaker 1: she's also worried back leaving her mother behind with this
Speaker 1: man who's violent. So she plans, and you know, if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a life for myself, I need to
Speaker 1: square away moms before I bounce. Yeah. Yeah. So while
Speaker 1: she's working at the nursing home in Cleveland, she would
Speaker 1: then travel to Pittsburgh. You know neighboring Pittsburgh, do you
Speaker 1: know the western Pennsylvania Ohio border. And she go over
Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh on her days off, and there she started
Speaker 1: pulling off her first jobs, like her first real job.
Speaker 1: Smart to go out of town, oh definitely, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she used to call them campaigns, So she's like, campaign, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on a campaign to Pittsburgh. So she
Speaker 1: she'd go on a campaign for the weekend and Doris
Speaker 1: would walk into a jewelry store and then walk out
Speaker 1: with like, for instance, of the first time, a twenty
Speaker 1: two thousand dollar diamond ring. What and that's in that
Speaker 1: day's dollars or today, Shazam, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: He's like her biggest score to date, right, even today,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly, it's
Speaker 1: it's a sizeable chunk chaine, especially for like a young woman. Right.
Speaker 1: So she she's terrified she's gonna get caught. She's actually
Speaker 1: pulled off like what she's practiced at Woolworth, right, And
Speaker 1: she's convinced someone's following her from the jewelry store. So
Speaker 1: she doesn't know what to do. She doesn't know where
Speaker 1: to hide out. She's new to Pittsburgh, so she goes
Speaker 1: to the Greyhound bus terminal. Yeah, and she hides out
Speaker 1: in the woman's bathroom in a stall, and she spends
Speaker 1: the entire night there. She's like, quote, I fell asleep
Speaker 1: with the stolen ring pinching my left breast. Can you
Speaker 1: think of a worse place than a greyhound bus station
Speaker 1: bathroom stall to spend the night? Oh? No. So she
Speaker 1: wakes up after her night in the Greyhound bathrooms and
Speaker 1: she's all ready to return the stolen rings. She's had
Speaker 1: time to think about it. She's like, well, was I thinking.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm trying to get away with this?
Speaker 1: And then she she's headed back to the store, just
Speaker 1: like with the watch. She's like, I'm gonna go be
Speaker 1: the you know, good girl that I know I am.
Speaker 1: Her guilt hounding her. But then while she's walking, her
Speaker 1: resolve starts to soften, right, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it wilted, and then it disappeared entirely, all resolved gone.
Speaker 1: She spots a pawn shop and she's like, oh, she
Speaker 1: changes her mind about returning the ring. She hits up
Speaker 1: the pawn shop and she hawks the twenty two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars ring for about a third of its value, walks
Speaker 1: out with seven grand goes home and goes, mom, here's
Speaker 1: a new light. Wow. So and she says, mom, get
Speaker 1: a house, get away from dad, And her mother does
Speaker 1: exactly that. She goes and gets herself a new house.
Speaker 1: She leaves her husband. We don't know what comes with
Speaker 1: her father, but these two are now safe in the way,
Speaker 1: so crime has freed them, right, That's that was her
Speaker 1: only option in order to get money like that time frame,
Speaker 1: do you want to make a big move like you
Speaker 1: had to basically turn to crime. So she's like, look
Speaker 1: before jay Z, I'm going to jay Z this moment.
Speaker 1: I have been dreams and I'm not going to let
Speaker 1: my position in society squelch them, right right. So she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm about this life and she imagines as I'll backtrack
Speaker 1: for a second. I told you that she was the
Speaker 1: focus of a couple of documentaries. One was by Netflix,
Speaker 1: and the producer of that is a woman named Unetta Boone,
Speaker 1: and she was talking into the twenty thirteen film about
Speaker 1: Diamond Doris Pain, explaining how she was at this time,
Speaker 1: and she said, quote those things that can set in
Speaker 1: the mind of a young girl. I'm never going to
Speaker 1: be under the thumb of a man. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be the judge of my own destiny. I really think
Speaker 1: that alone drove Doris. I think that was the day
Speaker 1: that empowered her, the day that she freed her mother.
Speaker 1: So crime empowers her. Not only does allow her to
Speaker 1: escape these forced identities cast on her, but now also
Speaker 1: she's able to do things for other people in her life.
Speaker 1: So she's like, this is I'm doing this, she's getting
Speaker 1: a thrill from it. Of course there's that too. They're
Speaker 1: a big part of why a person turns to crime
Speaker 1: as it feels good. But she also is at this
Speaker 1: point pretty much set in her life. She's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I am probably not going to couple off.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be diamond Doris Pain soloing through the world.
Speaker 1: In her words, she said that marriage quote ties you
Speaker 1: to brutality. Oh wow, we had a dark view of marriage, right.
Speaker 1: But once she gets her mother free of her abusive father,
Speaker 1: Doris makes her mother and offers. She's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep doing this. I'm really good at this.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be my fence? And her mom's like, oh,
Speaker 1: baby girl, UM, I love what you did for me.
Speaker 1: I love the new house. But no, but no, so
Speaker 1: she's like, you know, I can't help you with that.
Speaker 1: She's like, are you sure because I'm moving hot rocks
Speaker 1: here get kidions. She's like, no, I'm not down. Some
Speaker 1: mother's like okay, fine, uh you know, baby girl, you
Speaker 1: just do your thing and U I won't tell anyone.
Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, but occasionally if I send you
Speaker 1: money that quote, of course that'll be cool. So she
Speaker 1: accepted the pros take the cash. She doesn't want to
Speaker 1: risk take in the heat exactly. But I wouldn't need it. Also,
Speaker 1: she doesn't. I don't think she trusts herself to go
Speaker 1: in and be the fence, like, you know, going into
Speaker 1: the like the like pawn shops, the Hawk jewelry or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't think she'd much of herself, yeah, in that regard.
Speaker 1: So she's like, look, I'll take the four bedroom house
Speaker 1: in Shaker Heights and we're cool. I I couldn't do
Speaker 1: any of this. One time I was at a store
Speaker 1: like a bit old navy, I admit it. And I
Speaker 1: was like years and years ago, and I bought two
Speaker 1: shirts and I walked out looking at the receipt and
Speaker 1: I thought, man, that was cheap, and I realized they'd
Speaker 1: only rung up one of them, and I had two
Speaker 1: in the bag. And I went back and I said,
Speaker 1: she didn't charge me for this other shirt, and the
Speaker 1: lady looked at me and then she goes, just get
Speaker 1: out of here. She's like, come on, I mean like
Speaker 1: she rolled her eyes at me. How far did you
Speaker 1: walk back from? Yeah? Basically, once or she has her
Speaker 1: mother's squared away. Doris is now set for herself. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go be Doris Criming on my own alone.
Speaker 1: And she said, and I quote, a woman practicing being
Speaker 1: a world class jewel thief wasn't going to be home much.
Speaker 1: So she's just ready to hit this road. Yeah. Off
Speaker 1: she goes, a black woman existing in a supremely limiting
Speaker 1: time in her own way. She basically spreads her criminal
Speaker 1: wings and just flutters away from Cleveland. Right. But she,
Speaker 1: as I just pointed out, she decided to lean into crime.
Speaker 1: As Cheryl Sandberg might put in, right, this was like
Speaker 1: her view of feminism as exactly. She was a girl
Speaker 1: boss in the hat in the nineteen fifties. So her
Speaker 1: modus operanda, in case you were curious, it's rather simple.
Speaker 1: I've kind of laid it out for you, which is
Speaker 1: that she would pull the miss lady act. But there
Speaker 1: was a lot more too. That she did what you
Speaker 1: often tell us and remind me, which is to act
Speaker 1: like you belong somewhere. Yes, she would go one step further.
Speaker 1: What she would dress like she belonged somewhere and act
Speaker 1: that way. So she put on as much of the
Speaker 1: compartment as she could, and then all the fineries. Right,
Speaker 1: so she'd use her miss Lady routine and her Scarletto
Speaker 1: hair inspired act, and then then she would go and
Speaker 1: she'd hang out with these ladies of elegance and wealth
Speaker 1: and she would watch them and she'd practice them, and
Speaker 1: then she would imitate them when she goes swanning into
Speaker 1: a jewelry store, and she tried to act like all
Speaker 1: they did whenever they were looking at select pieces of jewelry.
Speaker 1: The same hand gestures, the same lift of the wrist,
Speaker 1: everything she did. She was basically an actress, right, So
Speaker 1: a typical move would be for her to go into
Speaker 1: a store and she would do all of this stuff.
Speaker 1: I just described the graceful, elegant movement, the lilting voice,
Speaker 1: and then she would ask a try it on a
Speaker 1: piece of jewelry. The employee would be like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes suspicious whatever, but they would be like, you know,
Speaker 1: give her a ring to try, and then she would
Speaker 1: accidentally lose that ring, you know, while she's talking to
Speaker 1: the person. Right, So she'd hopefully have like multiple rings,
Speaker 1: like two or three out she loses one of them, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So while she's doing that, then she would eventually quickly,
Speaker 1: rather you know, promptly, grab the ring and then return
Speaker 1: it and then be like, oh, look, we misplaced this.
Speaker 1: I dropped this whatever it was. And then the employee
Speaker 1: because this has now aillaid their fears of thievery. She's
Speaker 1: earned their trust, earned their friendship, and they stopped watching
Speaker 1: her with that hawcus I and yeah yeah when she
Speaker 1: suddenly does the real move, once had their trust, and
Speaker 1: then she'd be like, okay, yes, I'm so happy though,
Speaker 1: thank you. Here you go. That's what I should have
Speaker 1: done it, old Navy, I should have done that whole
Speaker 1: thing and then turn around and gone back and taken
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff she'd never blasted. I missed my
Speaker 1: chance to be a crimer. Well, if you'd like to
Speaker 1: hear an example of her working a jewelry star employee
Speaker 1: and Philip, I got one for you, she says in
Speaker 1: her memoir. The gentleman that was serving me must have
Speaker 1: been the manager or whatever. But everyone else congregated in
Speaker 1: the cluster and they were looking dead at me. I
Speaker 1: told myself, I can't do this with five or six
Speaker 1: people staring at me. So as luck favors the bold,
Speaker 1: or you know, the Romans would say, Diamond Doris. She
Speaker 1: gets lucky when the store managers shoot away the crowd
Speaker 1: that has gathered in the store, and he embarrassedly explains
Speaker 1: that Diamond Doris, it was simply a matter of her
Speaker 1: looking so elegant, right, it's all these people staring at her.
Speaker 1: You know. He's starting to downplay the racism of the moment.
Speaker 1: And this is the moment when her childhood acting and
Speaker 1: her original like criminal mo became one and the same.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, I'm gonna dress like this from now
Speaker 1: on because she got treated the way. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's the perfect cover, right, So let's take a short
Speaker 1: break and I will get back to you with Diamond
Speaker 1: Doris Payne takes Monte Carlo. Oh, yes, all right, Elizabeth, Hey, Darren,
Speaker 1: he doing a b So Ever since Diamond Doris Payne's
Speaker 1: mother turned it down to become her fence, she's been
Speaker 1: working alone. She's like, where can I work alone in America?
Speaker 1: As I told you it's the fifties, they're really sixties.
Speaker 1: She's got problems with racism pretty much every turn, even
Speaker 1: in the North. So she's like, I'm going over to
Speaker 1: where all the jazz musicians have done really well for
Speaker 1: the last thirty years. I'm going to Europe. Yea. Before
Speaker 1: she goes to head off to Europe, she does have
Speaker 1: this one criminal partner I'd like to tell you about
Speaker 1: real quickly. You got a second. The dude's name was Babe.
Speaker 1: He sticks out of memory. He was six foot two.
Speaker 1: He was in the Israeli dude living in Cleveland, right,
Speaker 1: and his government name was Harold Braunfeld, now Harold Braunfeld.
Speaker 1: Babe was a certified criminal with all the ties you
Speaker 1: would want to the underworld, like legit, right, so he
Speaker 1: becomes like a paramore to Diamond Doris. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: early on, she gets busted in a jewel heist or
Speaker 1: is suspected and she gets arrested pop by the Cleveland police.
Speaker 1: And then good old Babe Abe swans on in and
Speaker 1: he has lawyers, the good kind, the expensive kind. He
Speaker 1: gets his lawyers aimed at her case. He gets her
Speaker 1: released on a guilty plea with no time served in jail.
Speaker 1: No way, good lawyers, Yeah exactly, and all thanks to Babe. No.
Speaker 1: Things were good for her and Babe for a good
Speaker 1: long time. But unfortunately Babe was the sort of Underworld
Speaker 1: character who felt the need to get cosmetic surgery to read.
Speaker 1: He always to make his face look like totally different.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm going to be a different babe. Okay.
Speaker 1: He goes in there to get into his surgery. He
Speaker 1: goes under the knife complication for surgery. He passes away.
Speaker 1: See that's the risk. Yeah, okay, exactly so and he said, Babe,
Speaker 1: I get it. I just didn't battle do peg with
Speaker 1: the band on the table. I was like, well, that's
Speaker 1: what the that's what the doctor said when they put
Speaker 1: the sheet over sheet, and everyone just like lowered their
Speaker 1: heads and credits roll. So Diamond Norris Pain this is
Speaker 1: what sends her on her own. This is like basically
Speaker 1: the last time. She's like, oh, she did have another
Speaker 1: woman who's a lady who ran a brothel in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: who she also worked with for a while, and that
Speaker 1: lady would give her tips about like where to run
Speaker 1: her campaigns. So she would go off and she's like
Speaker 1: she quote she says, quote she told me where to
Speaker 1: go and give me names. I used to set up
Speaker 1: shop and sell to Cleveland Indian baseball players. So the
Speaker 1: old Cleveland Guardians to Cleveland Indians she settled to those
Speaker 1: ball players, and this actually got her in trouble because,
Speaker 1: like you know, she ended up like, well, I'll get
Speaker 1: to that later. Just remind me Willie Mays. But let's
Speaker 1: get on to Europe. Yes, So, Diamond Doris, she longed,
Speaker 1: as they told you, for a bigger score. The racism
Speaker 1: of America is holding her back. So she's like, I
Speaker 1: want bride horizons. I want, you know, shores that are
Speaker 1: more inviting to me. And so she goes, where's elegance
Speaker 1: and opulence? Where can I take my show on the
Speaker 1: road in Europe? That would really be, you know, something
Speaker 1: befitting my talents. She remembers when she was a kid
Speaker 1: back in slab Fork, West Virginia, reading all about the
Speaker 1: marriage of Hollywood royalty Grace Kelly and Reiner. Right, and
Speaker 1: this is like a big deal when she was a
Speaker 1: little girl. So she's just stuck with her. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going there, yeah, and it's funny. It's funny to
Speaker 1: me at least once again. How often these criminals are
Speaker 1: They model their reality on movies. Basically a Grace Kelly
Speaker 1: scarletta hera. These are like her models for the life
Speaker 1: she wants, right, Yeah, So she goes off to Monico,
Speaker 1: but before she does that, she's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: should probably brush up on my skills. I bet those
Speaker 1: European jewel people they're probably top notch. They I don't
Speaker 1: know all the stuff. So she goes to Manhattan and
Speaker 1: she's like, I'll practice at Saxfith Avenue. I'll practice like
Speaker 1: all the swanky spots. That makes sense. And so she
Speaker 1: does this. She practices being moneyed, just being able to
Speaker 1: convey this vibe. Right, So she said, quote, for three weeks,
Speaker 1: I watched the women in Saxsmith Avenue like a hawk.
Speaker 1: I read the New York Times every day, and I
Speaker 1: studied Vogue to mimic the fashions and memorize the most
Speaker 1: valuable jewels. So she gets her leg work. Yeah. The year,
Speaker 1: by the way, is nineteen seventy four. This is after
Speaker 1: a babe has passed away, and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: still kind of bouncing around the Pittsburgh Cleveland area. Now
Speaker 1: she's in New York. She's about to go off to Europe.
Speaker 1: But first I wanted to point out this is the
Speaker 1: summer of nineteen seventy four. Do we know a little
Speaker 1: bit about the summer of nineteen seventy four, not off
Speaker 1: the top of my head. Well, there was this little
Speaker 1: story that happened in the summer of nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 1: The President of the United States, my man Richard Nixon,
Speaker 1: which I say, my man, with my tongue so firmly
Speaker 1: pressed in my cheek. I think I bruised myself. But
Speaker 1: my man, Richard Nixon, you know what I mean. This
Speaker 1: is when he decided to, you know, basically quiet quit
Speaker 1: the White House. And it was right, I'm out pieces,
Speaker 1: I'm retiring from the game, right, Diamond Doors, Pain's like
Speaker 1: I'm going deep in the game. So they cross pass
Speaker 1: like he's leaving powers, actually cross paths. It was just
Speaker 1: the kind of a thing because you know, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to place this in time. It is. It's an
Speaker 1: interesting So that faithful summer of seventy four, Diamond Doors
Speaker 1: Paint hops her bag or Paxster bags rather, and hops
Speaker 1: on a flight to Nice, France. We visited before in
Speaker 1: these stories. It's a good place for criminals to go
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of dumb and wealthy people there. Correct,
Speaker 1: So she wins her way down to Monte Carlo, and
Speaker 1: I'll just let her set the stage you're reading quote.
Speaker 1: It was so gorgeous to drive through the spaces of
Speaker 1: wide open skies above valleys, rows of hills, and evergreen
Speaker 1: trees like back home in West Virginia. For the short
Speaker 1: thirty minute ride, experience mountains that descended to the sea.
Speaker 1: As we entered Montico, there were yachts with their masts
Speaker 1: sticking up like pins out of one of Mom's pincushions.
Speaker 1: To my left, the high cliffs of Chucky Limestone looked
Speaker 1: no different from the limestone cliffs and mountain passes of
Speaker 1: West Virginia. I thought, child, you would come a long
Speaker 1: way from taking the bus to Pittsburgh. We drove through
Speaker 1: a small tunnel and there it was the wealth of
Speaker 1: terra cotta tile roofs piled on the hillside right down
Speaker 1: to the Mediterranean Sea. So from West Virginia Monte Carlo. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a moment for her, right, Yeah, I just loved that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So to anyone who asked, you would explain her presence
Speaker 1: of Monte Carlo by telling them, well what I would
Speaker 1: call a believable lie. Okay, she would tell folks that
Speaker 1: she was the wife of the film director Auto Premager. Yes, okay. Now,
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, Ottoremager was a big filmmaker
Speaker 1: back in the day, and he was married to the
Speaker 1: actress Dorothy Dandridge, a black woman. Because he's a European filmmaker,
Speaker 1: he didn't give two feathers or a fig what Americans thought,
Speaker 1: so he did it now. Perhaps Diamond Doris was thinking,
Speaker 1: maybe people don't know what Dorothy Dandridge looks like in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. But I don't know, but the lie
Speaker 1: work exceedingly well. Maybe she thought, you know, Auto Premature
Speaker 1: has a taste, a type, a style of woman who
Speaker 1: goes for anyway. She's there it's work and the lies
Speaker 1: given her like a believable reason to be there. Time
Speaker 1: to shop. So she gets a driver. She says, please
Speaker 1: take me to the most exclusive shopping district, which is
Speaker 1: this place called Place du Casino. So she goes to
Speaker 1: Place du Casino. The street signs are all in French. Elizabeth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she doesn't read French, so she has no idea what
Speaker 1: she's doing. She's like, Okay, I've got to trust this guy.
Speaker 1: So Diamond Doris She's like, oh wait, I forgot Catholicism.
Speaker 1: This will once again come to my rescue. Howe, and
Speaker 1: I quote, I knew just enough French to get by.
Speaker 1: Mom had been raised Catholic without a place to worship
Speaker 1: and slab fork. She had recited the priest part and
Speaker 1: the congregation is part of the Catholic Mass while doing
Speaker 1: the dishes. WHOA, those Latin roots have given me just enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's pre Vaticantus exactly talking. She's speaking in Latin
Speaker 1: while she's doing a high Mass while doing dishes. It's
Speaker 1: her own high Mass, both as congregation and priest. Wow,
Speaker 1: you can see the diamond doors. Pain comes from a
Speaker 1: line of creative people. Yeah. Now, honestly, I've done the
Speaker 1: exact same thing bouncing around Europe because you'll see the
Speaker 1: signs and we'll be written in three four languages. And
Speaker 1: so that's like how I learn other languages, because I'll
Speaker 1: take the Spanish I do know, and I'll apply it
Speaker 1: to the French I don't really know, or the German
Speaker 1: I need to know, or whatever it is. Anyway, it
Speaker 1: does also I don't know if you've ever tried this,
Speaker 1: but Spanish works really well in Italy. YEA say it
Speaker 1: with an Italian accent. It's so close. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: they know exactly what I mean. It's just like anyway,
Speaker 1: so diamond doors. She makes it work for herself, just
Speaker 1: about the same way. She's bouncing around, speaking her like
Speaker 1: pigeon French with Latin roots, and this to her feels
Speaker 1: like a winning campaign. She's like, oh, I'm on one right.
Speaker 1: And another thing that she's tickled by. She's out of
Speaker 1: America and I quote, on the streets, I didn't see
Speaker 1: one black person, but I was all right holding things
Speaker 1: down from my people in Monte Carlo. Yet that's exactly so.
Speaker 1: Now that she's in Monte Carlo, making her way looking
Speaker 1: clean in the latest drip, she's all ready to operate. Right. So,
Speaker 1: rather than just tell you about it, I think I'd
Speaker 1: like you to close here up as a clue and
Speaker 1: Elizabeth picture it. Yes, Elizabeth, you've recently started a new
Speaker 1: job in Monte Carlo. You're working in a jewelry start.
Speaker 1: It's not your favorite gig, but you still have those
Speaker 1: school loans to pay off for your time at Clown College. Now,
Speaker 1: while you wait to make it as France's next big mim,
Speaker 1: you happily buide your time at your day job working
Speaker 1: at the counter of Cartier. It's a small crowd today
Speaker 1: as they shop Cardier. As you well know, it's an
Speaker 1: amazing place to work. It's the world's preeminent jeweler, and
Speaker 1: today is no exception. As a few swanky looking customers
Speaker 1: take a gander at all of the gemstones on offer.
Speaker 1: You and the other employees glide over along the glass
Speaker 1: cabinets and graciously show them whatever it is that they'd
Speaker 1: like to see. You see an older black woman who's
Speaker 1: been looking over some diamond rings, so you walk over
Speaker 1: to her, and this same woman would later recall of
Speaker 1: this day and her time with you in the Cartier store.
Speaker 1: Quote the place had Bella epoc decor. There were velvety
Speaker 1: black displays of diamond necklaces and glass cases with black
Speaker 1: velvet tubes of diamond bracelets. I saw what I had
Speaker 1: come for, glass cases with big ass rocks. Now that
Speaker 1: she's seemingly ready to try on one of those big
Speaker 1: ass rocks, she warmly greet the older woman and ask
Speaker 1: her if there's a ring that she would like to
Speaker 1: look at. She smiles graciously and points out with a
Speaker 1: really elegant move, that there are three rings that she'd
Speaker 1: like to try. You open up the dress case, you
Speaker 1: bring out the three diamond rings. Just as you set
Speaker 1: them down, the doors to the store open, and some
Speaker 1: cloud patrully scented American hippie strolls into the Cartier store
Speaker 1: like it's some head shopping. He needs rolling papers, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, what the hell, Well, David Crosby, you don't
Speaker 1: belong here, and take Steven Steals with you now. The
Speaker 1: American hippy he clearly, as you point out, doesn't belong
Speaker 1: in this world's premiere jewelry store. So it's a perfect
Speaker 1: distraction for the older black woman you've been helping. But
Speaker 1: you don't know this. While you and everyone else suspiciously
Speaker 1: I this dirty hippie, the older woman standing before he
Speaker 1: swipes one of the diamond rings, you don't even see
Speaker 1: her make the move. It's so well practiced. The big
Speaker 1: ass rock as a price tag of five hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. No way, that's about three million dollars
Speaker 1: in today's dollars. That's three million dollars. Wow. And you
Speaker 1: notice that there's now one less ring than you brought out.
Speaker 1: But right at that same moment, your boss, the floor manager,
Speaker 1: looks over at you with a steely eye. The dirty
Speaker 1: hippie is still milling about, making everyone nervous. The floor
Speaker 1: manager she calls you over with just her eyes. It's
Speaker 1: a very French come over here right now. Look now,
Speaker 1: you put the rings on top of the shelf with
Speaker 1: a glass case and you lock it, and then you
Speaker 1: go to walk over to your boss, and right in
Speaker 1: that moment, you have the flash. Wait the third ring
Speaker 1: you forgot to grab and you turn around and you
Speaker 1: hear the ladies say, oh, my driver is here and
Speaker 1: there's more shopping to be done. I'll come for the
Speaker 1: piece tomorrow, and she goes to walk out. You don't
Speaker 1: know what to do. You smile politely because that is you.
Speaker 1: How you're practiced and well trained. And you're still focusing
Speaker 1: on your steely eyed floor manager who is dread demanding
Speaker 1: you come over here and deal with the dirty ass
Speaker 1: American hippie. So you are busy and then with one
Speaker 1: quick look back at the customer out the door. Gone.
Speaker 1: Now you have a multimillion dollar ring. You have to
Speaker 1: explain why it is gone. Man, that's curtains for Marcel
Speaker 1: mar So so diamond. You're going back to Colown College,
Speaker 1: Diamond Doris is struck again. So while you try to
Speaker 1: think of a compostic way to let tell this pain
Speaker 1: in the ass boss that you just let your two
Speaker 1: point five billion dollars ring out the door. YEA, Diamond
Speaker 1: Doris is going to do stroll casually back to hotel,
Speaker 1: and we will follow her. As her calm exterior is
Speaker 1: just an act. She is fretting on the inside, just
Speaker 1: absolutely redlining, but trying to stay calmly. She has ever
Speaker 1: pulled off, so I don't know how you walk when
Speaker 1: you're nervous, but she's doing her best to not do
Speaker 1: the exactly just drip drip. Elizabeth went that way. So
Speaker 1: as she gets back to her hotel room, dry legged,
Speaker 1: she quickly packs takes a cab to the nice airport
Speaker 1: right now. Once she's in, I'm good to go and
Speaker 1: a diamond doors. She pulls out her diamond ring and
Speaker 1: she's never really noticed the price tag. She looks and
Speaker 1: spots the price tag. She's blown away. It's a string
Speaker 1: of zeros. She has never stolen anything like this, As
Speaker 1: she wrote in her memoir quote, I never saw that
Speaker 1: many in my life. I broke out in a sweat
Speaker 1: and everything. I was freaked out thinking I had taken
Speaker 1: something that the whole world was going to be looking for.
Speaker 1: So now as she's like basically racing to the nice
Speaker 1: airport with something that she knows is pretty much a
Speaker 1: major jail sentence, right, she knows that the spot is hot,
Speaker 1: so she's like, okay, what can I do? What can
Speaker 1: I do? Meanwhile, the gendarmes have been contacted by Cartier
Speaker 1: and they are indeed hot in hot pursuit. They are
Speaker 1: hot on her case. Right, the airport is the first
Speaker 1: place she checked. They check first, of course, they're like,
Speaker 1: we know she's going there. So the gendarmes they make
Speaker 1: it in time, and they find her posted up waiting
Speaker 1: for her flight, sitting there with a diamond ring still
Speaker 1: on her. We'd like you to come plaze us. Do
Speaker 1: you have a moment? And then she's like, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I have coing. I'm an American. I can't understand you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it doesn't work right. So she's taken in
Speaker 1: police custody. She then have to figure out how does
Speaker 1: she hide this diamond? So what does she do? What
Speaker 1: would you do? You're in police custody, you know you
Speaker 1: have the diamond on you. They've yet to me. I
Speaker 1: would have like a major panic attack. Someone put this
Speaker 1: in my pocket. I found this a gap. There's there's
Speaker 1: no way I could. I could not physically sustain through
Speaker 1: a situation. I think one of your parts would fall off.
Speaker 1: So she keeps somehow a cool head, and she manages
Speaker 1: to pop the diamond ring in her mouth. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: so she now has it hid in her mouth. But
Speaker 1: that's only gonna be good for so long. You know.
Speaker 1: That gets her a couple searches. But now she realized,
Speaker 1: I need to move it again, so she uses a
Speaker 1: bit of theater and she fakes the sneeze and she
Speaker 1: passes the diamond ring into the tissue, and from that
Speaker 1: point then she takes the tissue and she manages to
Speaker 1: get that into her pantyhose. So now she's got the
Speaker 1: time and ring tucked away in her pantios. This allows
Speaker 1: her to get it through a strip search because she's
Speaker 1: able to pile up her pantios and they don't apparently
Speaker 1: pat it down accurately. So the French police apparently not
Speaker 1: sticklers for like a thorough like American style cavity search.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the gendarmes. They can't find the ring, so
Speaker 1: now they can't accuse her of stealing anything because there's
Speaker 1: no stolen property on her. But they're like, that's not
Speaker 1: gonna stop us. We're gonna still gonna take you into custody.
Speaker 1: They hold her for nine months in a hotel nine wait,
Speaker 1: okay months, nine months, and then in a hotel, so
Speaker 1: they hold her for nine months where they count try
Speaker 1: to convince her to tell them where the ring is.
Speaker 1: She won't break, so they just basically, I don't know
Speaker 1: how the jurisprudence of this works, but they charge of it,
Speaker 1: don't charge her, and they hold her in custody, in
Speaker 1: French custody. They have her like stored in a hotel
Speaker 1: because there is no women's facility in Nice, so they
Speaker 1: have to They have a woman's prison guard post outside
Speaker 1: of her hotel room, and they just make a one
Speaker 1: person in prison oh man. So there she is right now.
Speaker 1: She gets to know the prison guards, so she's telling, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: i've got a I need a couple of favors of
Speaker 1: the prison guard. We're good her stuff. So one day
Speaker 1: she's like, Okay, I think I figured out how I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get this ring, because she still has the ring
Speaker 1: in her study. She's still hiding it. And so she
Speaker 1: tells the prison guard, Hey, I need um some thread
Speaker 1: and needle to men's some stockings. And then you know,
Speaker 1: the person's like, okay, she also needs a tonail clippers through,
Speaker 1: like tonil clippers, Like yeah, from my ton for nine months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So like, okay, I'll get you the toneil clippers. She's like,
Speaker 1: I have some in my bag. You can just go
Speaker 1: to my bag and pull the stuff out. But the
Speaker 1: gendarme prison guards like, oh we and so she goes over,
Speaker 1: she pulls out the tonail clippers. She gives her the
Speaker 1: thread and the needle, and then she goes in and
Speaker 1: she then takes the tonail clippers and I'll leave it
Speaker 1: to diamond Doris quote. I use the tonail clippers to
Speaker 1: pry the diamond out of the mounting, and I threw
Speaker 1: the mounting in the Mediterranean. So apparently she had a
Speaker 1: Mediterranean view in her hotel room. So she's in nice
Speaker 1: with a Mediterranean view, like a balcony, flowers on the
Speaker 1: list to throw something into the ocean. Yeah, So she
Speaker 1: then takes the diamond and what gusted, right, so she
Speaker 1: puts it, this diamond into a bunch of thread, like
Speaker 1: basically makes a little ball of thread and then sows
Speaker 1: that into her girdle and then where's the girdle the
Speaker 1: rest of the time. So now she's got this diamond
Speaker 1: girdle and she manages to outlast the French after the
Speaker 1: nine months pass like, fine, we'll let you go, and
Speaker 1: then she flies back to America with the girdle because
Speaker 1: you know, they don't do all the metal searches of everything.
Speaker 1: So she gets the diamond back to America, where she
Speaker 1: promptly goes to a pawnbroker and sells it for a
Speaker 1: third of its value. That's incredible. So she managed to
Speaker 1: get one over on the Gendarmes. Wow, let's take another
Speaker 1: quick little break and I'll be back with the rest
Speaker 1: of the Doris pain life and Crimes. All right, So
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Aron, I told you that Nixon left the White House. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now we're back in America. Gerald Ford is in the
Speaker 1: White House, Remember him, Gerald Ford? Yeah, the guy fell
Speaker 1: well I forget him a lot. Yeah, well he was there.
Speaker 1: So the old college Football Center, you know, old Dinghy.
Speaker 1: He he's the president, but he doesn't matter at all, right,
Speaker 1: because Doris Payne is out of her legal trouble. She's
Speaker 1: escaped Monte Carlo and the Nice Airport, and she's made
Speaker 1: it back to America, and uh, well what does she
Speaker 1: do now? I don't know. She goes back to Europe.
Speaker 1: She went back. Yes, sometimes she's like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go back to France. That's she goes to Rome.
Speaker 1: She's like, I think I think my Latin may go
Speaker 1: further there. So she goes to Rowans. She when she's
Speaker 1: in Rome, she hits up the Bulgary store, you know Bulgary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she got to Bulgary and she records in her
Speaker 1: memoir Diamond Doris, the True Story of the World's most
Speaker 1: Notorious jewel Thief, that she quote finally met her match
Speaker 1: in a jewelry store employee. Yeah. So, quote this dude
Speaker 1: was trained like a stripper, but I was gonna find
Speaker 1: a way to flip it on him. Train like a stripper.
Speaker 1: I think like he was professional. You're saying like he
Speaker 1: was able to handle everything all comers. Yeah. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it took some wrangling and some sweet talking distraction, but
Speaker 1: eventually Diamond Doris was able to slip a yellow diamond
Speaker 1: ring under her middle finger. And the jewelry store employee,
Speaker 1: the one who was up to snuff, he failed to
Speaker 1: notice this move. So she'd done her like distraction into
Speaker 1: the graceful, like a like magician's hands or whatever. Now
Speaker 1: she's got the rock on her finger, right, I imagine
Speaker 1: it's turned around to the rock is inside by her paw. Right.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Diamond Doris goes, oh, where's the loop? And
Speaker 1: then or the bathroom? And so the person tells her
Speaker 1: she excused herself to the restroom. But instead of going
Speaker 1: to the restroom, what did she do is she'd be
Speaker 1: lines to the front door out the store. Right, Because
Speaker 1: they just believe she's going to the restroom, they stuff
Speaker 1: restaurant exactly. So in Bolden by her good luck, Diamond
Speaker 1: Doris is like, you know what I'm thinking, I'm on
Speaker 1: a googlin right now. So she goes on a five day,
Speaker 1: four city campaign, hitting all the hot spots she can.
Speaker 1: She pops over the Channel, she dicks a stop over
Speaker 1: in London. She manages to hit up the British jeweler
Speaker 1: Garrard and Company. Do you know Gerard and Company of Guard?
Speaker 1: So there, I didn't know this they're the jeweler of
Speaker 1: the British crown. She ripped them off. Okay, spot right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She walks back onto the plane where she's going to
Speaker 1: return to America, and at this point she has a
Speaker 1: small fortune on her this time. Yeah. Quote, I was
Speaker 1: carrying what would amount today to nearly one million worth
Speaker 1: of jewelry on me. Wow. Yes, But as with all
Speaker 1: good things, there were signs at the heady days of
Speaker 1: robbing the Queen of England's jeweler and slipping away like
Speaker 1: she's the scarlet pimpernel or behind her. Because the most
Speaker 1: dire sign is she started to get caught way more often. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a decade, she's rarely ever napped. Right. She used
Speaker 1: to say, quote, I never went to jail and stayed.
Speaker 1: That is the reputation I wanted. I knew I could
Speaker 1: get out. She starts to lose that reputation. So for
Speaker 1: the longest time, that's her deal. Right. She's in Zurich
Speaker 1: for her fiftieth birthday. The year is nineteen eighty and
Speaker 1: she spends the day acquiring rolexes while she's out drinking
Speaker 1: with her driver. So she's sliding in and out of consciousness,
Speaker 1: stealing rolexes in Zurich. Right, happy fiftieth to me. She
Speaker 1: also violates one of her own rules. She's operating will
Speaker 1: drunk Like She's like, Ohshan, do you not operate this
Speaker 1: machinery will drunk? Right? So, but she for her fiftieth birthday,
Speaker 1: she breaks her rules. She breaks one of the Diamond
Speaker 1: Doors ten commandments and she goes and gets drunk with
Speaker 1: the driver that they throw back way too many cocktails.
Speaker 1: And then that same evening, feeling festives, she goes out
Speaker 1: to a nightclub. Quote. Next thing I know, I'm up
Speaker 1: in dance and I'm not having a great time. Right,
Speaker 1: So she's turning out the dance floor. But she doesn't
Speaker 1: know this. She's on TV because this club has a
Speaker 1: link that they broadcast on Swiss TV showing all the
Speaker 1: missing are doing. It's amazing, right, So everybody turns out.
Speaker 1: There are some viewers of this show that aren't just
Speaker 1: club kids. The local police, they apparently the station. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they watch it. They bought Diamond Doris and
Speaker 1: recognize her, so they just go on down to the
Speaker 1: club kid. Yeah, So on her fiftieth birthday, she gets
Speaker 1: arrested and she sent on the train to Geneva to
Speaker 1: stand trial for theft, but the cops made one fatal mistake.
Speaker 1: The train wasn't a NonStop train, hey stop, so they
Speaker 1: stopped to reload fresh water and Diamond Doris that's all
Speaker 1: she needed to make a getaway quote. I jumped off
Speaker 1: the train. It was funny too later because I looked bad.
Speaker 1: I looked awful. That's what she's thinking about, Letts. She's like,
Speaker 1: my wig was off sideways. Anyway, she's lost in the
Speaker 1: darker Switzerland, bounce around by herself. Diamond Doris wanders all
Speaker 1: through the night. Remember this is her fiftieth birthday, right,
Speaker 1: So she makes it to a town, doesn't know where
Speaker 1: she is. She doesn't know she's what border. Maybe she's crossed.
Speaker 1: She all she knows, she's crossed some cornfield, some farms,
Speaker 1: she went through, a goat herd and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, she finds his taxi driver working that night
Speaker 1: in the quiet part of town, late at night, so
Speaker 1: she offers him all the money she had on her
Speaker 1: for a ride. Yeah, she doesn't have any money on her,
Speaker 1: but she tells him that, right because remember she's arrested,
Speaker 1: so she doesn't know where to go, So she's like, yes,
Speaker 1: go to that direction to night. So the driver isn't
Speaker 1: suspicious because he's a late a night doing his own thing.
Speaker 1: So she knows she needs to keep moving all right.
Speaker 1: And plus she's all starting to sober up because I
Speaker 1: remember she's been really drunk, this drunk, so she's got
Speaker 1: also the sudden memory of these stolen rolexes popping into
Speaker 1: the flour of her mind. She's like, oh, that's right,
Speaker 1: all the how embarrassing. She's like having all this like
Speaker 1: it's a really bad fiftieth birthday, That's what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 1: So as the effects of the drink are creeping up
Speaker 1: on her and fading away, at the same time, she said, quote,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the hell was wrong with me.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm too old for this, I told myself. Wow,
Speaker 1: And this is a time arter tradition in the black community,
Speaker 1: when you've reached the point of saying maybe I'm too
Speaker 1: old for this. You are too old for this, So
Speaker 1: I mean, it's truly, it's true. So Danny Glover sealed
Speaker 1: it and la weapon and we've all known it ever
Speaker 1: since then. So now Nyman door, she didn't listen to
Speaker 1: herself which she should have. Instead, she starts getting busted
Speaker 1: with the smooth regularity of a Rolex watch. Yes. In
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, Diamond Doris is busted in Ohio. She's
Speaker 1: caught after she went to a hospital for treatment. Problem
Speaker 1: was she was under federal custody at the time, so
Speaker 1: she was under federal custody. He went to the hospital,
Speaker 1: tried to walk out, she gets busted. She back to
Speaker 1: federal custody. In nineteen ninety one, she gets caught stealing
Speaker 1: like Jane's addiction. She was in prison for five months.
Speaker 1: She had stolen a seventeen thousand dollars ring from a
Speaker 1: store in Eleira. Yeah. So eight years later, in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, Diamond Doris is busted again, this time in Denver, Colorado,
Speaker 1: for a fifty seven thousand dollars ring. Thanks to this bust,
Speaker 1: she's now facing serious time. She gets sentenced to twelve years.
Speaker 1: She only ends up doing five though they release her
Speaker 1: own like you know crowding, I think prison crowding. Ten
Speaker 1: she gets popped in Coasta Mesa, California. She was in
Speaker 1: a Saxsmith Avenue store. She was trying to buy, like
Speaker 1: or lift a barbery coat for thirteen hundred dollars. She
Speaker 1: gets spotted ripping the price tag out of the coat.
Speaker 1: She's getting slop. Later that same year, she's busted in
Speaker 1: a macy for attempting to steal a diamond ring worth
Speaker 1: nine grand. You notice the prices are dropping fast, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the amounts are going down, the busts are going up.
Speaker 1: These are inversely proportional bad for diamond doors, never good
Speaker 1: for a career criminal. For this to happen, is this
Speaker 1: bad end of the career averages? Right, She's like a
Speaker 1: star athlete. This would be the bummer years. These would
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, like the you know, a soon
Speaker 1: to be Aaron Rodgers on the Jets, like go ahead
Speaker 1: and retire, Yes, exactly when you, as a fan wish
Speaker 1: they retire. You're like, okay, well, I as a fan
Speaker 1: of diamond doors on a girl hang up? Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, she's eighty one years old. She's still
Speaker 1: working hard in the hight game. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: She went on an epic tear. She retarts ripping off
Speaker 1: diamonds from Palm Springs to San Diego. She was like
Speaker 1: a criminal snowbird. She went a good weather was but
Speaker 1: just for ripping stuff off, right, She's like a jailbird,
Speaker 1: a snow jailbird. Anyway, So she gets busted in San Diego,
Speaker 1: sentence to sixteen months into San Diego prison. She gets
Speaker 1: caught stealing a one carrot diamond ring, like old Doris
Speaker 1: would be looking so down on one of the detectives
Speaker 1: from the San Diego Pedia. This dude, detective Thomas Jacks.
Speaker 1: He recalled that Diamond Doris quote was a nice old
Speaker 1: lady who's seeing quote like my mom and my grandparents.
Speaker 1: And Detective Jack's also added the quote, I think she's
Speaker 1: romanticized this beyond what it really is. She is a thief,
Speaker 1: and what she does affects other people. You've basically become
Speaker 1: a victim of your own myth making. So Diamond Doris's lawyer,
Speaker 1: Gretchen von Helms, she was quick the defender. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, my client, you have to understand, quote never
Speaker 1: hurt anybody, and quote is not forceful, like when you're
Speaker 1: getting down to the point. Looked, She's never actually smashing
Speaker 1: anyone in the face, you know. But this is not
Speaker 1: exactly a ringing endorsement. So this, this is the metric
Speaker 1: that they're using for crime, which is if you're not
Speaker 1: hurting anybody who cares. I've said this before this and
Speaker 1: my metric. Diamond Doris is really testing beyond this one,
Speaker 1: I have to admit, because as Detective Jack says, Diamond
Speaker 1: Doris was indeed hurting folks, right. She was like the
Speaker 1: jewelry store owner's bloo, whatever thees. Yeah, that's who I
Speaker 1: was thinking about. The employees that she's stealing from the
Speaker 1: they're losing their job. You know, they're getting fired anyway,
Speaker 1: Remember I said earlier Willie Mays, Yes, bringing it back
Speaker 1: to William May. Another one is an example of back
Speaker 1: in the sixties, she stole a diamond ring, back when
Speaker 1: she was you know, selling stuff to the Cleveland ball players.
Speaker 1: She stole a ring and it turned out, through an
Speaker 1: odd course of events, Willie Mays's wife gets blamed for
Speaker 1: the theft. Willie Mays's wife then gets arrested or the theft,
Speaker 1: and Willie Mays's wife spends like time being like having
Speaker 1: her whole everything be disparaged. Willie Mays looks bad. It's
Speaker 1: like I do not need to do yes exactly. So
Speaker 1: there's another example of somebody who gets hurt by done so. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So when she was asked though, when if she had
Speaker 1: any regrets. In a twenty twenty two interview with Karen
Speaker 1: Greer from a Landed Channel two news team, Yeah, Kara,
Speaker 1: she had, Diamond Doris told the journalist Karen Greer, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't kill nobody or rob nobody, and so once
Speaker 1: again the same bars. So Karen Greer pointed out what
Speaker 1: I basically pointed out, Well, you kind of robbed somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like and I would go past kind of Karen,
Speaker 1: rob and you hurt people. Yeah, you definitely did so. Butever,
Speaker 1: in a colorful twist of semantics, Diamond Doris argued, I
Speaker 1: didn't rob them. They gave it to me, So they're stupid.
Speaker 1: It's like a child's version of like they handed it
Speaker 1: to me. I didn't steal it. I walked out with it.
Speaker 1: I thought they gave it to me. I'm like, come on,
Speaker 1: snap too. Anyway, the chairman and the owner of the
Speaker 1: luxury jeweler brand Black Star and Frost this cat named
Speaker 1: Alfred Bollina no relation to the Doctor Octopus actor Alfred Molina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said of Diamond Doris quote, I found her to
Speaker 1: basically have an open heart and to share her life
Speaker 1: with everyone. She's not a threat to society. I don't
Speaker 1: agree with what she has done, but I see her
Speaker 1: as a product that was created by us. WHOA, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: I literally thought that was like damn, I never expect
Speaker 1: to hear that. Anyway. It's a generous, admirable view from
Speaker 1: the Jeweler. I'll give them to that. Admittedly, his company
Speaker 1: was never a target of Diamond Doris. Well, that's easy
Speaker 1: to say then, yeah, but he he said, and I
Speaker 1: quote that if Diamond Doris had, you know, hit his store,
Speaker 1: his opinion would have not changed even quote one degree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's not really We can test that one in theory,
Speaker 1: but in reality you don't know. So the Jeweler Security
Speaker 1: Alliance President John J. Kennedy not to be confused with
Speaker 1: former President John F. Kennedy, Okay, and not to be
Speaker 1: confused with Senator John Neely Kennedy Louisiana. Right this, John J.
Speaker 1: Kennedy uh T told Business Ends Center. Quote, it's extraordinarily
Speaker 1: rare for a criminal to have that lengthy of a career.
Speaker 1: Usually they either stopped because they have enough money and
Speaker 1: they don't want the risk anymore, or they're dead. So
Speaker 1: I really gets right down to it. So in other words,
Speaker 1: Diamond Doris has explained why she can't stop stealing diamonds,
Speaker 1: Like basically she she speaks to his point and she said,
Speaker 1: quote stealing jewelry, it was just exciting, which is what
Speaker 1: you said? Yeah, and I can continue the quote. It
Speaker 1: also became a social outlet for me. This was her
Speaker 1: way of meeting new people. Social out quote. That was
Speaker 1: my everything. I don't regret being a jewel thief. Do
Speaker 1: I regret getting caught? Yes? I have a few. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she's still a little like, you know, prickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she did say that quote, I've been a jewel
Speaker 1: thief for many, many years. I am exceptionally proud of
Speaker 1: my being the very opposite of what is expected. So
Speaker 1: she's still flexing on him. And now in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: Diamond Doris was busted yet again. At least this time
Speaker 1: the ring was in the double digits. She was back
Speaker 1: up and around thirty three thousand dollars ring. She gets
Speaker 1: busted in Charlotte, North Carolina, twenty fifteen. How old is
Speaker 1: she at that point? Yeah? So next year she gets
Speaker 1: caught in Atlanta at the Perimeter Mall, and she had
Speaker 1: her eye on the two thousand dollar necklace. She gets
Speaker 1: out of jail in twenty seventeen, it is promptly busted
Speaker 1: again and at the age of eighty six. This time
Speaker 1: the granny with a lars in his fingers is busted
Speaker 1: stealing a six hundred and ninety dollars pair of Christian
Speaker 1: Dior earrings from a sax Fifth Avenue in Atlanta Phipps Plaza.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a bummer, dude. I grew up a street
Speaker 1: away from Atlanta Fipsplaza. I could literally picture the parking lot.
Speaker 1: I'm like seeing her getting pulled out and put into
Speaker 1: the police car like I was, like, it was sad, right,
Speaker 1: So the bummer bust is though when she the ultimate
Speaker 1: bummer bust, and this is a series of bummer bust
Speaker 1: She gets caught later that year the same year, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: attempting to steal eighty six dollars worth of stuff from
Speaker 1: a Walmart in Shambly, Georgia. She was wearing an ankle
Speaker 1: monitor at the time when she gets popped into Shambly Walmart.
Speaker 1: Diamond Dorris had a ready excuse, and she said that
Speaker 1: this was a career strategy. She claimed she got busted
Speaker 1: on purpose. She wanted the publicity. She said, quote, if
Speaker 1: I come to Atlanta, I might get a book deal.
Speaker 1: I might get a movie deal because this is the
Speaker 1: only city in the United States that blacks have any
Speaker 1: firm footing. Now like most of other criminals. She did
Speaker 1: not get that book deal, not then. But how about
Speaker 1: a movie deal, Well, there was in the works. There
Speaker 1: was a movie almost about her in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: It was gonna star can you guess, no, Hollie Harry
Speaker 1: Real Alle Barry, Diamond, Doris halle Berry. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: wasn't the call because Diamond Doris wasn't so into halle Berry.
Speaker 1: She said when they mentioned halle Berry, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of shocked. She is not the person I would
Speaker 1: choose to portray me, because halle Berry has a carriage
Speaker 1: about her. She don't really know who she is. But
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa she just lets it all. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how much she has. She's just a good old girl.
Speaker 1: She wanted Queen Latifa to play her. She saw that
Speaker 1: opening to what's that movie? Oh the movie set him off? Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the movie where she's like a bike messengers that ridiculous opening.
Speaker 1: Can't think of what it is. I don't know where
Speaker 1: she's like, she's doing stunt, crazy stun subway round on
Speaker 1: a bike and then she pulled off my helmet. Queen
Speaker 1: Latifa maybe saying she saw that and she was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's me. That's what I look like on the mountain bike.
Speaker 1: After the halle Berry bio because shelved and the Queen
Speaker 1: Latifa movie never goes forward. In two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary is made about Diamond Doris. It's called
Speaker 1: The Life in Crimes of Doris Pain. And now there
Speaker 1: is a new biopic in the works. It will star
Speaker 1: can you guess no, Tessa Thompson. Oh okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: She's already blurred on Doris Pain's memoir quote. Doris Pain
Speaker 1: is an unapologetic badass. I love her. So she's a
Speaker 1: big fan. And apparently she was long covered a chance
Speaker 1: to play her, so she's tweeted about it. She's all excited,
Speaker 1: So keep an eye on that space. Anyway. If you'd
Speaker 1: like to check more of her story, be sure to
Speaker 1: check the documentary, or you can read more of her
Speaker 1: own words in her memoir Diamond Doris, The True Story
Speaker 1: of the World's most notorious jewel Thief. In the book,
Speaker 1: she closes her story with these words, and I quote,
Speaker 1: did I imagine some of this? Make it up, elaborate it,
Speaker 1: polish it like a good diamond, make you want to
Speaker 1: look at it, make a smile. You have to decide,
Speaker 1: she's not still with us. She's still alive. You're a kid. Yes,
Speaker 1: she is not deceased. She's out there still swiping rings
Speaker 1: and getting busted to this day. If I had any money,
Speaker 1: I would send it to her. I'd be like, girl,
Speaker 1: get yourself a good Cadillac and cruise this country. That's amazing,
Speaker 1: star ridiculous takeaway here. Well, you know, she's maybe it's
Speaker 1: good for your health. Thisay crime is good for your health.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have dementia. She doesn't. It's pretty impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like she's got a good bit of health. It's incredible, Doris.
Speaker 1: Although I do have to be a little bit real
Speaker 1: about this. You gotta know when to get out of
Speaker 1: the game or get some young blood to help you.
Speaker 1: Either she gets a young girl to come in and
Speaker 1: help her, or some young brother to be a distraction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean I know people who once they retire,
Speaker 1: their health goes down. Just to recognize it. She needs
Speaker 1: like a you know, she needs to start d ching.
Speaker 1: She can't be out. She needs she needs a mentee.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, she got a stuff one of them young
Speaker 1: mentees and start doing like I don't know, like some
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker and Ray stuff. Or he's like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: train you and I'm gonna be mad about it the
Speaker 1: whole time. She needs a baby Yoda. Yes, exactlyyone needs
Speaker 1: a baby Yoda. Does you need a babu frick? I
Speaker 1: really need a Bobby, which she would culos takeaway. That's
Speaker 1: pretty much it. You need to know when to get
Speaker 1: out of the game, like when you tell a story
Speaker 1: and then you're asked, what's your ridiculous takeaway? Hello, if
Speaker 1: you've not been listening to ridiculous takeaways, you need a
Speaker 1: bobbo frick. Girl, I do need a bb frick. Well
Speaker 1: that's all I got for you. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: tell you a crime biopic. So there you go. We
Speaker 1: have this debate over biopic or biopic to Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I say biopic, you say biopic. I was in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I know that's how they set it down. I will
Speaker 1: not like that. That's my best Andy Coffin, I'm from Hollywood. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you can find his online ridiculous comment about Twitter and Instagram,
Speaker 1: Twitters for the discards Instagrams where we put up all
Speaker 1: the photos of these episodes that we all of the
Speaker 1: stuff we've been talking about. We'll have some good ones
Speaker 1: with Diamond Doris Pain. The stories are there for some
Speaker 1: laughs and uh yeah, if you want to reach out
Speaker 1: to us, hit us up at Ridiculous Crime at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. We always appreciate it. Here in front of
Speaker 1: the end as always, thanks pretty Ridiculous Crime. It's hosted
Speaker 1: by Lizabeth Duddon and Zaron Burnett, produced and edited by Diamond,
Speaker 1: Dave Kustin. Researches by Marissa Diamonds Off Forever Brown and
Speaker 1: Andrea Diamonds. A Girl's Best Friend song Sharp End Tier
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Speaker 1: are Ben Legs, Diamond Bowling and Noeld Diamond, Jim Brady,
Speaker 1: Hi Elizabeth is Erin producer Dave Dude melody here reporting
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