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Speaker 1: John Schmelk with you today.

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Speaker 2: We are joined by Front of the Program always joins

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Speaker 2: us twice a year, once when his Freaks List comes out,

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Speaker 2: the other time when his mock draft is released in April.

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Speaker 2: And that's Bruce Feldman from The Athletic and Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: And now we welcome in the great Bruce Feldman. He

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Speaker 2: works for Fox Sports. He writes and covers college football

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Speaker 2: for The Athletic.

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Speaker 1: Bruce.

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Speaker 2: John Smelk here in East Brother for New Jersey. A

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Speaker 2: pleasure to talk to you is always my friend.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, John, Good. Good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Good to see the logo that I grew up seeing

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Speaker 4: as somebody in the Northeast.

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Speaker 3: And I love this time of year with the draft well.

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Speaker 2: And in addition to all your usual content, you just

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Speaker 2: had your mock draft go up on the athletic you

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Speaker 2: do only one each year. And look, Bruce, I'll be

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Speaker 2: honest with you, I don't care who we have going

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Speaker 2: to each team. It's the nuggets within each selection from

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Speaker 2: you interview all the opposing coaches, assistants, head coaches that

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Speaker 2: go up against these guys, and I think you get

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Speaker 2: some really good stuff from them. So I want to

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Speaker 2: get through as many of the players as we can.

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Speaker 2: Do you even learn some stuff about these players that

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Speaker 2: you didn't know when you go through this process to

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Speaker 2: kind of get all this knowledge together about these guys.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, because again, some of these guys I talked

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Speaker 4: to during the course of the year. Sometimes I don't

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Speaker 4: get around to them until maybe March when I work

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Speaker 4: on this and it's good to reconnect with people. But

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Speaker 4: then there are guys you think you know something about

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Speaker 4: and then you find out, oh, why did this guy have, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, a huge day against this team, And then

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you talk to a position coach

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Speaker 4: he was like, yeah, we had injuries, we had to

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Speaker 4: play a third team cornerback who's a borderline walk on.

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Speaker 3: Don't read too much into that game or.

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Speaker 4: Don't you know, like you just get kind of more

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Speaker 4: of a or this kid was playing hurt. It looked like,

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Speaker 4: And that's why maybe that you know, don't you know,

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Speaker 4: look at the other film with this kid, or you

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Speaker 4: just get way more context and perspective. You know, I

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Speaker 4: got really some really interesting stuff on armand Membo the

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Speaker 4: offensive lineman from Missouri, and you know, like South Carolina

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Speaker 4: who everybody raves about. Membo just you know, like abused

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Speaker 4: him in that matchup, and I think sometimes you hear

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Speaker 4: that and like, whoa, you know, that's that's a real

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Speaker 4: guy that he's going up against, whereas maybe some other

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Speaker 4: those kinds of athletes, you know, weekend and week out

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Speaker 2: And you do a Membo going ahead of Will Cammell

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Speaker 2: and your mock draft, by the way, which I think

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Speaker 2: after you folks listen to our live draft coverage on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and after the Giants pick at three, you should go

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Speaker 2: tune into the Athletic Bruce will be joining Robert Mays

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Speaker 2: and Dan Brugler and Derek Klassen, who do a really

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Speaker 2: good job cover in the draft on the Athletics coverage

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Speaker 2: on that Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: All right, Bruce, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Cam Ward at this want you know, the Giants ain't

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Speaker 2: getting him like the Titans are picking cam Ward. But

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Speaker 2: I did think it was interesting in the blur of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was told.

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Speaker 4: I think this is not a great quarterback draft class.

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Speaker 3: It's nothing close to what we had last year.

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Speaker 4: But to me, there's a bigger gap between cam Ward

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Speaker 4: He's physically mature, personality wise. Talked to the Miami coaches.

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Speaker 4: They rave about him. You talked to the coach who

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Speaker 3: Really speaks highly of him. I mean, I think there's

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Speaker 4: He can be careless with the football. That's the one

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's look at the quarterbacks. Then you

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Speaker 2: should were Sanders going through to the Giants. So what

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Speaker 4: Some of the guys I talked to face Shador in

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Speaker 2: And you do have the Steelers picking Dart at twenty one,

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Speaker 2: even though he has some developing to do from a

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Speaker 2: And I know you didn't write about him, but I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of those two sec quarterbacks, Dart's a good athlete.

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Speaker 4: I mean he can run. I think he's even a

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Speaker 4: but it's not that accurate, and that's a concern. I

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Speaker 4: think he's definitely a project Dart. I'm glad you said

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Speaker 4: he has really changed. His offense is much more like

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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, Dart is pretty polarizing too.

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Speaker 4: There was a QB coach I talked to in the

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Speaker 4: think was thinks Jackson Dart's a big development piece because

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Speaker 4: watched it, I watched five hundred throws and I'm still

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Speaker 3: Be three quarterbacks that go in the first round.

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Speaker 4: I would guess he's one I could see after some

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Speaker 4: It's almost like talking to a coach where they say

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Speaker 4: when they've interviewed him and met with him, his arm

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Speaker 3: But I think that is getting overblown.

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Speaker 4: But his injury history is something that you know, people

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Speaker 1: Right, Bruce.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't even gonna bring him up to you, but

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Speaker 2: you brought him up, and I was grinning while you

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Speaker 2: were talking about Tyler Shuk because I fell in love

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Speaker 2: honest with you, He's really good and if you just

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Speaker 2: but if you just red pull yourself into believing that

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Speaker 2: he's a really good athlete. You saw what he ran

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Speaker 2: flexible athlete. There's a lot to like on that tape.

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Speaker 2: If you're just worrying about what he did as a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I the guys I talked to in the

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Speaker 4: It's almost like he's too smart for his own good worth.

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Speaker 3: But he is a He's a very good athlete.

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Speaker 2: Well, he has been playing football for seven years ago,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, John, I would say this, and I know I

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Speaker 4: The track record of guys se Kwon, Mike SICKI, uh oay,

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Speaker 3: There's been just a lot of dudes who have been

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people see Michael Parsons and I get why, right,

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Speaker 4: That's not what Abdul Carter's been doing, he said, but

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot more to it.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I'm with you. Were there any besides the injuries,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he's good enough to be a

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Speaker 2: of Eli Manning. All right, let's go to Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 2: and you know, he's a really interesting player. I think

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think the thing that I would get

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Speaker 4: He's a really really good receiver. He's a great cornerback.

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Speaker 4: Potentially he can make difference making plays because his ball

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Speaker 3: He's just he's a rare athlete the line.

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Speaker 4: I would go back to the defensive coordinator of Colorado,

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Speaker 3: He's got other stuff to him.

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Speaker 4: wrestler who plays like that, you know, very relentless. I

439
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 4: would guess he's probably closer to going to be around

440
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,719
Speaker 4: three hundred and ten pounds. I think everybody likes him

441
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 4: a lot. I don't know if anyone's gonna say, because

442
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 4: you know, I talked to position coaches in the NFL

443
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 4: who think there could be twelve d lineman go after

444
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 4: Abdul Carter He's probably the one if you want to

445
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 4: call an edge rusher d lineman, right, I would say

446
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 4: he's probably the next one to go. You know, I

447
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 4: don't know if you see him as like, will this

448
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,160
Speaker 4: guy be a potential like defensive player of the year.

449
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 4: Maybe not, But people like him a lot. I don't

450
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 4: know if anybody like loves them, loves them. They like

451
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 4: him a lot.

452
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I'm with you, and I think that I

453
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: don't see why you wouldn't.

454
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 2: When you watch the tape, Jillen Walker, you kind of

455
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 2: have as your next guy coming off. When you talk

456
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: to people, do they see him as an edge do

457
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: they see him as an off ball guy someone that

458
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 2: can do both? Because I think with his size, skills

459
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: and from my understanding, like that guy's gonna be like

460
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 2: a future CEO. He's so impressive as a person. Where

461
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 2: do people talk about him fitting in the National Football League.

462
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 4: So, in the last couple of days I talked to

463
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,959
Speaker 4: two different D line guys, both had been in college

464
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 4: not that long ago, and they were split. They had

465
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 4: different opinions on him. They both liked him a lot.

466
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 4: One guy was like, I think he's in the linebacker

467
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 4: room because I think he could be a great off

468
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 4: the ball linebacker and then we move him in on

469
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 4: you know, pass rush situations. But I think that's what

470
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 4: he is. The other guy thought he was. He was

471
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 4: a shade below Abdul Carter. You know, Abdul Carter bigger

472
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 4: and probably will be bigger. But everybody loves his character.

473
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 4: You know what Georgia coaches who have had a lot

474
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: of really big time NFL defensive players say about him.

475
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 3: I will say this.

476
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 4: One of the D line coaches I talked to you

477
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 4: yesterday said he's actually thinks Michael Williams is going to

478
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 4: do the better player in the NFL. He's bigger. Michael

479
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 4: Williams is much bigger.

480
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 3: He said.

481
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 4: He is nasty, physical, And he said, but he was

482
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 4: the guy who's playing hurt. Last year and now when

483
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 4: they played Texas and they played him twice, both guys

484
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 4: went off against against legit NFL players on Texas.

485
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 3: Texas had two.

486
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 4: Offensive line offensive tackles. One guy I think will be

487
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 4: a pretty safe bet as a first round pick this year.

488
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 4: The other guy, probably if he had stayed, would have

489
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: been a first round pick next year. He opted to

490
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 4: come out early, and I don't know if that was

491
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 4: the you know, the probably the best move for him.

492
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 4: But those those guys got whipped by the two Georgia guys.

493
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 4: And I think Jalen Walker's If you ask me what

494
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 4: I take Abdill Carter over him, I'd say probably not

495
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 4: because I think the upside is just a little different there.

496
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 4: But I think Jalen Walker is like a surefire legit

497
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 4: NFL stud for ten twelve years. I think he's really

498
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 4: really good.

499
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think both him and Michael Williams can very

500
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: well be top ten picks. I'm with you on that.

501
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: Your two corners. I think it's the only two corners

502
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: you had in your first round.

503
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: Joddy Baronet of Syracuse ahead of Will Johnson, which, by

504
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: the way, that's all I have it ranked on my board,

505
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: and then Will Johnson, who I know teams he's like

506
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: like the based on what you've were getting from people

507
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: kind of like me, they're still trying to figure out

508
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: exactly what he is.

509
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's a zone corner who the

510
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 4: coaches and I know the guys who who had him

511
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 4: at Michigan think he is super smart, like like rare

512
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 4: vision of how he prepares and plays like he sees

513
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: it like a quarterback. He's got really good size. I

514
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 4: mean he's they said he's bigger than what they said.

515
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 4: He played it two oh five. I mean he came

516
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 4: into the combine or whenever it's six two one ninety four.

517
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: They said he's six to two oh five. Every day.

518
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 4: They think he's a four to four eight kind of guy.

519
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 4: That the question a little bit is on his speed.

520
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: I think on the best case scenario that they were

521
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 4: trying to compare him to would be Patrick Surtan. I

522
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 4: think that with what we've seen Patrick Surtan become in

523
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 4: the NFL, like he was really good and really polished

524
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 4: in the NFL and sorry at Alabama, you know, when

525
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: he came out, I want to say it was like J. C.

526
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: Horn was also come at you know, if it came

527
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 4: out of South Carolina. I think there was some people

528
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 4: who were like liked certain maybe didn't love him. Some

529
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 4: loved him, some were like, oh okay, you know I

530
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: saw I forgot who the receiver was who put it

531
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 4: on him pretty good in the SEC. But Will Johnson,

532
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: I think you know you look at and say okay,

533
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 4: and again another Alabama cornerback.

534
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 3: You know, last year the Lions.

535
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 4: So Terry On Arnold, who had you know, issues with

536
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: a lot of you know, holding penalties and everything else,

537
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 4: didn't run great, you know, good instincts. You know, this

538
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: guy has I think has really good instincts. He's really smart,

539
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 4: made a lot lot of big plays. He has had

540
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: turf toe this, you know, for half the year, so

541
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: he was not the same guy. I think he's a

542
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 4: safe first round pick. But the other guy, you know, Baron,

543
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: really blossomed this year. He's a really good tackler, he's

544
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 4: very instinctive, makes a lot of plays on the ball.

545
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 4: He's not he's not huge, but I think he's just

546
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: a really really good football player.

547
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: Like a couple of years ago, you.

548
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 4: Know, Illinois had a great secondary and oh god, I'm

549
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: trying to remember who the I want to say it

550
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: was like a guy who when he measured in he

551
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 4: was like five eleven, one eighty five and nine blanket

552
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: on his name.

553
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: But Witherspoon, thank you.

554
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 4: Everybody who played against Witherspoon thought Witherspoon was like two

555
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 4: hundred or two of five because he was physical and

556
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: had an edge to him and there was just something

557
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: about him. I'm not saying that they're they're they're very comparable.

558
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: But I think in the terms of the competitiveness and

559
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 4: the instinctiveness, I think there's there's some of that that

560
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: sounds the same.

561
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: When you talk to people who respect him.

562
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: Wow, I think that is high praise. All right.

563
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: I'm trying to package come to these positions together. So

564
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 2: you have Tyler Warren at fourteen, Colston Loveland at twenty two.

565
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: Talking to people that played against these guys in college,

566
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: what kind of separates them as opponents.

567
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: Warren's a little bigger body, you know.

568
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 4: I think Loveland was was a willing blocker, but he

569
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: was also playing from what I was told, through like

570
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 4: some injury last year. The other thing that I think

571
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 4: was a detriment for him was they had a terrible offense.

572
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 4: They had bad quarterback and not much help at receiver.

573
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 4: The only way they were going to get him the

574
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: ball where he was not going to be like doubled,

575
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 4: was like on first down situations where it was like, hey,

576
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: it was going to be play action. We're going to

577
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 4: try to find ways to scheme him to get him

578
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 4: something where he's not like the defense isn't majoring in

579
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 4: Colston Loveland, but he can really run.

580
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: He's very fluid. I think he's a true legit first

581
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 3: round guy.

582
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler Warren's different in that bigger body guy a

583
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 4: little bit. He's also you know, he played quarterback. He

584
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: did a lot of different stuff with him just to

585
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 4: get him the ball. And they had again, you know,

586
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: their quarterback play was better Drew Allers going to play

587
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Their receiver play was not great at all,

588
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: and there were a better offense, but they found so

589
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 4: many different creative ways to get it. I think he

590
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 4: is still developing as good as he was. I think

591
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 4: for a bunch of people who looked at him this

592
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 4: time last year, I thought, love him, is the better prospect,

593
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: And then I think for some it definitely flipped. Not

594
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 4: a knock on Lovelan. I think it's just how far

595
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren came, and I just think people, I think

596
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: there's just again. I don't want to call him, you know, Kelsey,

597
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: because Kelsey is such a gifted athlete when things, you know,

598
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: make stuff happen. You know, however fast he is, he

599
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: just is just very athletic. Sometimes we devolve into thinking

600
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 4: like athleticism is best gauged by a you know, vertical jump,

601
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: broad jump, shuttles and a forty time. I think Kelsey's

602
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: just really smooth athlete. I think Tyler Warren is that

603
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: way to a degree where he's just got some playmaker

604
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: in him.

605
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to put you on the spot.

606
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: Did you get any as you said they were the

607
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: most accurate. We haven't seen any testing on Tyler Warren.

608
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: Have you got any inkling from from Penn State like

609
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: what he runs and what some of his athletic metrics are.

610
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 4: I think they think he's you know, in the four

611
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: to six is somewhere like that. I think they think

612
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: he's a good athlete. Again, I don't think he's going

613
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: to be somebody like Elijah Arroyo from Miami. I think

614
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: he is more of a run like a wide receiver guy.

615
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 4: He's got good size and he has you know, we're

616
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 4: talking about shuck before with the injury history. This is

617
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: the first year Elijah Royo was kind of cut, loose

618
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 4: and able to go. And I think he will be

619
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 4: a steal for somebody if he doesn't go in the

620
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: first twenty five picks, because I think he's a playmaker

621
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: as long as he stays healthy.

622
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I love that you Carmon in your

623
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: top twenty.

624
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: He is a lewsome Byron On, not Byron Murphy, who

625
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: was the Murphy out of Texas last year. At the

626
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: defensive tackle there's Murphy, Yeah, bier Murphy. Sorry, yeah, I

627
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: was thinking I was getting conve use at the corner.

628
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: I think he is a lot of those vibes. He

629
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: could play three tech, probably a tick below what Murphy

630
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: was last year.

631
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: But man, Derek Harmon was a fun player to watch.

632
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: He was really good.

633
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: I think that whatever they did with him that was

634
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: different from when he was at Michigan State, right, that's

635
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: where he came from.

636
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: With the transfer, it really clicked. He was a hell

637
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: of a player last year.

638
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean credit to Toash sleup boy who was

639
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: like coaching the NFL and was a former d Lion

640
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: guy himself, And I think that they knew he had

641
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: pretty special talent and he's a really good interior pass rusher.

642
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: He's bigger than Murphy's probably he might be twenty pounds bigger.

643
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: They had another guy, It's interesting we're talking about him.

644
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 4: Jamari called Well is probably twenty five pounds bigger than him.

645
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: He's a little more of a bad body guy, but

646
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: really good feet. I think he will be a steal

647
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: you know, maybe a couple of rounds later. The guy

648
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: everybody taught that the star quote unquote of that group

649
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: was actually Birch from who had been a five star

650
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: and is out of high school, went to South Carolina flashed,

651
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 4: but he always wondered. I mean he's a guy who

652
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: was like six' five to ninety and could. Run BUT

653
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: i think people aren't sure what he is in THE.

654
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: NFL i think he's going to be a top fifty

655
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 4: pick because he'll be too it'll be hard to pass.

656
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: Up but you had those three guys and then Dj

657
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 4: Uey angolile who people know that. Name he won't be

658
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: AN nfl, quarterback but he was a you, know played At,

659
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: clemson bounced around like his younger Brother matteo is not

660
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: in this, draft but he will be AN, nfl probably

661
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: a starting defensive. END i, mean they have a really

662
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: deep d line room. There so when you talked about

663
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 4: what it Was Derek harmon getting into that's what it was.

664
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: Like he and he.

665
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: Played, WELL i mean he WASN'T i don't think he

666
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: was like the same kind of player As. Mason he's,

667
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: different BUT i think he's intriguing for a lot of

668
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: people because they see the.

669
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: Talent all, right let's get to the two wide receivers

670
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: that you have going in the top Twenty tech McMillan

671
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: And Matthew.

672
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: Golden just a couple of picks.

673
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: Away you, KNOW i for some, REASON i feel like

674
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: it it's not cool anymore to THINK tep McMillan's really.

675
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: Good but you watch, him and he's really.

676
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: Good and the one THING i KNOW i mentioned to

677
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: you is that he runs some of his routes half.

678
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: SPEED i noticed that. TOO i was wondering if that

679
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: was intentional piecing of his routes or. Not but you

680
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: can get into. That and THEN i just Thought Matthew, golden,

681
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: like if you want A z that's just gonna run

682
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: great routes and be very precise with what he does

683
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: and be your number.

684
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: Two he's perfect for.

685
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: That, yeah To.

686
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: Golden talking to coaches At, texas they felt like he

687
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: probably matured and went from being the book on him

688
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: was he was an okay practice player when he was

689
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 4: A houston AND i guess in the you, know like

690
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 4: a couple of a little bit after he got To,

691
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: texas something the light came on and he became a

692
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: great practice. Player his. Speed some of the COACHES i talked,

693
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: to at least ONE dB coach was, LIKE i didn't

694
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: think he was a four to two nine. GUY i

695
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: thought he was a low poor. Guy but he was,

696
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: like if he ran, it that's what he. Is he's

697
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 4: a really good route. Runner he's a really good football.

698
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: Player McMillan Ted roll McMillan was a huge high school

699
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: recruit because he was just this guy who would dominate

700
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: in seven on. Seven he's six, forties two. Twenty he

701
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: has the best ball skills to come out of college

702
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: in a. WHILE i don't know who would be in

703
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: the running with.

704
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Him Maybe Travis, hunter, right.

705
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, try but this guy is. Different he Just Travis

706
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: hunter has great ball. Skills this guy makes. Wow by the,

707
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: way speaking Of Travis, Hunter Travis, hunter one of the

708
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: touchdowns he gave, up and he didn't give up a

709
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 4: lot in. College go find the film from twenty twenty

710
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: three where Where TEAM at got. Him you know he

711
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: there's some stuff where he almost seems unguardable at. Times Jed,

712
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: fish who is now The university Of washington head coach

713
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: who recruited him To. Arizona he spent a long time

714
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 4: in THE nfl around a lot of great, athletes he,

715
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 4: said McMillan is the best athlete he's ever. Seen his

716
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: hand eye coordination is the best he's ever been. AROUND i,

717
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 4: think you, know because he has a real high level

718
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: volleyball background and played, basketball but volleyball. Especially that's what

719
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: McMillan told. Me he attributes to his ability to go

720
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 4: up and catch footballs and his, timing AND i think

721
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 4: some of those things are just really. RARE i can

722
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 4: see why he's. Polarizing like you said in the piece

723
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: THAT i wrote in The, athletic one of the things

724
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: came up was one of the, coaches LIKE i watched

725
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: him on film and it does like why is he being?

726
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 4: Lazy he, goes but he never came off the, field

727
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: and he was. There he was their whole, offense like

728
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: His Noah fafita was his is his best. Friend that's the.

729
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks you, know He's adam since he was eighth. Grade

730
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 4: that was his go to guy. Whenever and SO i

731
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: think everybody knew if you were going to Stop, arizona

732
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: you had to try and to deal with, him and

733
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: he Was he was as good a player as there

734
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: was a. Receiver in twenty twenty three when they were

735
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: finished in the top twelve and really came out of

736
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 4: nowhere to have a great. Year last, year new coaching

737
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: staff came, in they changed the. OFFENSE i think there

738
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 4: was a lot of things that started to fall apart

739
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: At arizona around that, program AND i think some of

740
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: the things that are probably made him a little. POLARIZING

741
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: i THINK i THINK i would attribute some of those

742
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: things to a coaching transition where things started to.

743
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: Splinter if you want to know how to manage two

744
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: minutes of crunch time, Football i'm your. Match but if

745
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: you're wondering about a long term financial, plan you should

746
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: talk To. Citizens, HEY i can also talk long. Care

747
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: i'd like to learn about amliar. Routine, YES i KNEW

748
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: i could help makes sense of your money With. Citizens.

749
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah AND i think what impresonally be about him his,

750
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: size his ability to run after the. Catch you don't

751
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 2: have many six to, four two hundred twenty pound Guys,

752
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: bruce as you know that can catch turned into a

753
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: runner and be dangerous with the ball in his.

754
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: Hands but he actually is really good at that for guys'.

755
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: Size he, is and there's some stuff you see on

756
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 4: film where he does run away from. People he's not

757
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 4: a pro. Day he's not A, nfl you, know like

758
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: a combine. GUY i don't, know you, know if he

759
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: ran four or five, Nine i'd be, like, yeah that's

760
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: a pretty good time for. Him i'm not sure IF

761
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 4: i think he's faster than, that but he just makes

762
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: a lot of.

763
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: Plays, yeah and he gets.

764
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: Open all, right the pass rushers, HERE i want to

765
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: get to the next group of. Edges you Have GREEN

766
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: i think is the first next guy, off then you Have.

767
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: Eziraku they're kind of in your top, twenty and then

768
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: you have three guys between twenty eight and thirty, One Nick,

769
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: Gordon James, pierce And Chamar. STEWART i feel like there's

770
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: gonna be from team to, team roll to, role scheme to,

771
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: scheme board to. Board those five guys might move around

772
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: a little bit based on their, size red flags which

773
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: are different for some of those. GUYS i feel like

774
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: that's a messy group and from team to team that

775
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: order might be very.

776
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 4: Different you're, right there's some guys who are not on

777
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: probably people's. BOARDS i Mean Mike, green who started his

778
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 4: career At virginia and then went To.

779
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: Marshall he's a, really really good football.

780
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: Player if it wasn't questions about the character and some

781
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 4: of the lead, HISTORY i think.

782
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: He would be the top guy of that. Group you,

783
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 3: know you.

784
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: Watch him on, film you hear what people say about.

785
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: Him Charles, huff who is now the head coach At

786
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 4: southern miss was the coach At. Marshall he'd come From,

787
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 4: alabama where he's an. Assistant he. Said he told me

788
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: before the start of the year because he was a

789
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: micro is a freakslist guy for, me he. Said he

790
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 4: reminds me a lot Of Will. ANDERSON i don't know

791
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 4: if he's quite as strong As, will but he's probably more.

792
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: Explosive And Will anderson's tround out to be a hell

793
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: of AN nfl player. Already SO i think if teams

794
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: check out from him character, wise and if they're comfortable with,

795
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 4: HIM i think he's a guy who would go the

796
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: first of. Them As, iraq who's the most polished rusher

797
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: in terms of what he can do moves, wise brings

798
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: a lot to the. TABLE i think everybody kind of likes.

799
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: Him i'm not sure if anybody loves the, athleticism you,

800
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 4: know in terms of the, upside and.

801
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 3: They think he'll be a good. Player is there greatness?

802
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: THERE i don't.

803
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 4: Know pierce is the one who will like light it

804
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 4: up at the combine and he did that and he

805
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: does make some, plays but he's the knock on him

806
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 4: is from WHAT i, gather is not like a legal.

807
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: Issue it's more of like how coachable is? He and

808
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: there's there's some concerns about that from what people have.

809
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: Heard also a little question about is he one? Dimensional

810
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: but that one dimension he is a speed rusher and

811
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 4: he he's he is he can be a. Problem you,

812
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: know the Two TEXAS a AND m guys are. Interesting

813
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: Shamar stewart tests off the. Charts you, know people like,

814
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 4: him it's just they want to see more. Production four

815
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 4: and a half sacks in three. Years usually it's just

816
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: a head. Scratcher there's talent, there it's just you, know

817
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: can you get at? Him you, know like he had

818
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 4: a good he had good coaches in. College Sean, spencer

819
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: who was THE d line coach you know of The,

820
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: giants has had a lot of really good. PLAYERS i

821
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 4: KNOW d line coaches think highly Of Shawn, spencer but

822
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: it was, like you, know, look he had a really

823
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: GOOD d line around. Him, also he might not be

824
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: the Best chamar out of THAT d line. Room to be,

825
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: Honest Schamar turner is an inside guy FROM a AND

826
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: m who might turn out to Be they're different, players

827
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 4: but probably would not be surprised if it turn out

828
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 4: to be a BETTER nfl. Player scorton is very. Interesting

829
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: he Was he led The Big ten in sacks when

830
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: he was At. Purdue he was a nineteen year old

831
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: team captain in twenty twenty. THREE i think that is

832
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 4: a significant factor for him because it speaks to his

833
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 4: character and leadership in a. Way that bad team still

834
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 4: was the captain of. It to be voted to a

835
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 4: team captain at, nineteen especially for a kid From texas who,

836
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: moves you, know goes To, purdue it's so it's, LIKE

837
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: i think that speaks to. Him made a lot of.

838
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 4: Plays he got. Big he was two hundred and eighty

839
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: five pounds last. Year he made some plays and then

840
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: he got, down lost almost thirty pounds for his pro.

841
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 4: Day he's pretty. POLISHED i think there's he has good body.

842
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: Control he's not as.

843
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: Twitchy As stuart.

844
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: Tested BUT i think he's going to be a really

845
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 4: good enough football players just like what is how are

846
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: they gonna play? Him AND i think it depends on

847
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 4: what the team, is BUT i think there's a lot

848
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: of versatility. THERE i think he is a really really

849
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: good football. Player if you ask me to rank the

850
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 4: five of them, again if if you're comfortable With Mike

851
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: green off the, FIELD i think he's. WON i actually

852
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 4: Think scorton might might end up better than As, araku

853
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: but it just demends on where he goes from.

854
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: There, Yeah i'm with, you all.

855
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: Right a couple offensive linemen at the end of your board,

856
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: year because these are guys that maybe The giants could

857
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: consider a thirty four year agree's able at twenty. THREE

858
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: i think it Was Josh shimmons coming off that the

859
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: bad knee injury at twenty. Six and then a couple

860
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: of guys that didn't make your. Board i'm curious as

861
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: to how close they. Came i'm gonna go With Josh,

862
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 2: connelly the tackle out Of, oregon and then the two

863
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: Guards Donovan jackson And Tyler, booker WHO i think are

864
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: really good football, players if you want to go through

865
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: that kind of the very end of your offensive line

866
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: group here a little.

867
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: Bit, YEAH i Think booker is a first round talent

868
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 4: as a. Guard he, is you, know he can really.

869
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 4: Anchor he is very small ART i could see somebody.

870
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 4: LIKE i think he's a really safe. Pick Donovan. JACKSON

871
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: i think it's a safe pick. Too he's more versatile position.

872
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 4: Wise he played some left tackle and didn't play bad at.

873
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: It he's, athletic he's very very. Smart you. KNOW i

874
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 4: think he's probably best at, guard BUT i think he

875
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: probably could play some right tackle if you needed him.

876
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 4: To the Two josh is they're different in this. Regard

877
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 4: Josh connelly was a huge recruit coming out of high,

878
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: school went To. Oregon looks the, part good. PLAYER i don't.

879
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: KNOW i Think Josh simmons has more. Upside Josh simmons

880
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: wasn't a, big bigger. Recruit started out At San Diego

881
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 4: state and then went in The portal and The cardinals

882
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: off offensive line, coach Now Justin fry had been AT

883
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 4: ucla and then he went to and he had Seen Josh.

884
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: Simmons they tried to recruit him coming out of high.

885
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: School he got him At Ohio. STATE i, mean if

886
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: he was, healthy BECAUSE i think he. Is he was pretty,

887
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: raw but he got a lot better this year before

888
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: he got hurt in The oregon. Game ironically, enough he's

889
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 4: a guy that they told me they think he'd run

890
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 4: in the high four eights and he probably vertical jumped

891
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: thirty five thirty six. Inches he's a really good athlete

892
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: who probably if he was not hurt for the second

893
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: half of the season and was able to go on

894
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 4: that playoff run that they went, on might be a

895
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: top fifteen.

896
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: Pick Gray.

897
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 4: Zabel from the COACHES i talked to in that, league

898
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: they think he's a good, player and he's a really

899
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: good athlete and obviously had a good week at The Senior.

900
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: Bowl some of the coaches THAT i talked, to at

901
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 4: least one, particular felt like a couple of the guys

902
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 4: who came out of The Missouri Valley Spencer brown Being

903
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: Oney maker another, one like they thought those guys are

904
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: a little better than. Him but they think he's a

905
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 4: really good player and he's. VERSATILE i feel Like i'm missing.

906
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: One Uh, NO i, KNOW i think you hit them.

907
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: All you got?

908
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: Him, Okay, YEAH i was gonna ask About Calvin. Banks

909
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: the people see him as daughter of tackle.

910
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: Us you, know some of the PEOPLE i talk to

911
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: think he can is a.

912
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 4: Tackle they to his, credit he played really well early

913
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: in his career when he played Against Dallas, turner who

914
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 4: is an explosive edge, guy but also Against Will anderson

915
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: early in his, career and they said that speaks to

916
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: like his, character his, maturity his. Preparation they think he's really.

917
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: GOOD i, MEAN i don't know how. Much one of

918
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 4: the COACHES i talked to At texas brought this. Up

919
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 4: he's like he's playing with him a lot on his.

920
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 4: Mind his mom is battling health issues all, year got really.

921
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: Sick people really like, him both the coaches who played

922
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 4: him and also the coaches WHO i talk TO i

923
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 4: know At. Texas, AGAIN i think of the Two texas,

924
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 4: tackles he's the much more, mature much more finished. Product

925
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: if he went in the, top you, know in the top,

926
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 4: TWENTY i wouldn't be totally.

927
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: Surprised, yeah and then And Mecha buka is number thirty

928
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: two On Your. Life he's very safe.

929
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: Player everyone was just raving about what a high floor player.

930
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: Is i'm with you on that led to get your

931
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: take on. Him and then two, receivers, well well one

932
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: receiver that didn't make your listen With Luther burden whether

933
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: what you heard about him from opponents, Then but was

934
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: there was any other wide receiver that came close to

935
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: making the cut in your first?

936
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: Round aboukas LIKE i had to have him in The,

937
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: like if he's still there at thirty, two you, know

938
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: whoever gets him HiT's the. JACKPOT i think he's one

939
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: of the best receivers who's come out Of Ohio.

940
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: State, like he's super.

941
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 4: Smart he's a little bigger than people assume he was

942
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: like five or eleven or.

943
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: Ninety, no he's bigger than.

944
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 4: That he's.

945
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: NOT i think he can play, Outside. BRUCE i don't

946
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: think he's necessarily a slot only.

947
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: Guy he could play.

948
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: ANYWHERE i, mean he's he's he's a little, fast he's.

949
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 4: Everything plus he's a little faster than people tend to.

950
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: Think he's a little bigger than people tend to. Think you,

951
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: know he's really. SMART i Mean Ryan day had told

952
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: us when he was a freshman he thought he was

953
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: like the, smartest savviest football player they had in the

954
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: program at the. Time you, know and you think of

955
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 4: the guy and he's really. Productive now he got. Overshadowed

956
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 4: it's because the number the guy who would have been

957
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: the number one pick in the draft of he was

958
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 4: eligible to come, Out Jeremiah smith has to stay in

959
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: college for two more. Years Jeremiah smith is like almost six,

960
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 4: four two thirty and can run like the.

961
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: Wind so he overshadowed A.

962
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 4: Buka BUT i think A bukah's A you, know if

963
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: you ask me who DO i think will be a

964
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: more productive? Player him Or Matthew golden in his, CAREER

965
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: i would take A buca very.

966
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: Good and then how Come burden didn't make your list

967
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: than any other wide receiver came.

968
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 4: Close, Yeah burden gets compared a lot and did in

969
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: college To Deebo.

970
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 3: Samuel he's.

971
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: Not debo is like more, physical Like burdon's really good

972
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 4: with the ball in.

973
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 3: His hands after.

974
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: IT i don't think he's quite as, polished but he's

975
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 4: a really good football player in terms of What i'm,

976
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 4: sorry what was the second? One you just asked?

977
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: Me if there are any other wide receivers that that

978
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: that came close To?

979
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: Kraken, NO i Think Jalen knowl From Iowa state is

980
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: a tremendous football. Player he's super, physical one one big

981
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 4: ten defensive. Back to coach from part of The Hines,

982
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: ward he, said he's really, physical really. Nasty both Both

983
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: Iowa state receivers are really. Good they're very, different but

984
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: this one they were, LIKE i think he is a

985
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: guy who will be a really GOOD nfl.

986
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: Player he's.

987
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: Explosive he's just, short you, know he's five to ten

988
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 4: ish one hundred and ninety. Pounds looks like a running

989
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 4: back for Everything i've, heard WOULD i, WOULD i would

990
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 4: buy his.

991
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: Stock i'm with.

992
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: You how About Walter? Nolan why didn't he make it

993
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: into your top thirty?

994
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: Two he fits into a little of the category of

995
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 4: boom or. Buss he's very. EXPLOSIVE i think there's some

996
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: things a little bit of concern about how does how

997
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: will he? Fit you, KNOW i think he will be

998
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: gone in the top thirty, Five BUT i, don't you,

999
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 4: know he's he might be the most explosive interior guy in.

1000
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: DRAFT i just think there's some things that people are

1001
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: a little bit a little bit concerned. With and AGAIN

1002
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 4: i don't think it's like character legal issue. Stuff it's

1003
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 4: just like some other things that you, know depending on

1004
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: who you talk, to you're, like, uh you, KNOW i

1005
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: could see him being really good and he'll make some wild,

1006
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: plays but then there's some consistency issues THAT i think

1007
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: is something that gives people a little bit of.

1008
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Pause all, Right, Bruce, finally you did thirty two players.

1009
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: Here you obviously know a whole lot more about a

1010
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: lot of the other guys coming out here are giving

1011
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: your breadth of knowledge of college. Football who are some

1012
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: other guys that either didn't make your list or you

1013
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: just like that you talk to people about that you

1014
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: think fans should know about heading into the twenty twenty five.

1015
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: Draft good. QUESTION i have to think about that Because

1016
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 4: i'm like so wired into who is the first part of.

1017
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 4: THAT i think there's a handful of guys where you'll, Say,

1018
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 4: OKAY i don't know where this guy. Goes you, know

1019
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 4: if it's a you, KNOW i start looking and, Like,

1020
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 4: okay where do people think this guy's going to? Go

1021
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: Like Ohio state had a middle Linebacker Cody, simon WHO

1022
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 4: i think is probably a fourth fifth round. GUY i

1023
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: think he's better than, that where he's a good, athlete

1024
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: not a great, athlete but a good. Athlete james loriniis

1025
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 4: was his position coach At Ohio.

1026
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 3: State you can't shut him up About Cody.

1027
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: Simon he loves him character, wise leadership, wise playmaker really came.

1028
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 4: ON i think he's A he's an outstanding football. Player

1029
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 4: he's one THAT i think is much. Better i'll give

1030
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: you TWO d, linemen two defensive. Tackles One Shamar turner

1031
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 4: who's At TEXAS a AND. M i don't think he's

1032
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: getting talked about. Enough he is a he's a very disruptive.

1033
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: Guy and the other one Is sanders at AT. Tj

1034
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 4: sanders At South. Carolina he's an explosive. Athlete i'm surprised

1035
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 4: he's not getting discussed more as a top forty kind

1036
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 4: of guy like he's he. Is he can move and

1037
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 4: people really liked what they saw potentially of. Him SO

1038
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 4: i think those, guys because it's such a DEEP d line,

1039
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 4: GROUP i would put them high up there on.

1040
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: That and then my final, QUESTION i only like this

1041
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: asked this question to everyone just because it's such a

1042
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: deep group and there are so many good players and

1043
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: everyone has a different, favorite and that's running. Back in

1044
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: this draft, class it is a great. Class i've gone

1045
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: through sixteen guys and to stole like another five or.

1046
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: SIX i want to watch. IT i think are going

1047
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: to be really. Good who's your favorite Non ashton Gent,

1048
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: Y Omarion, hampton you, know Quin Shawn jenkins running back

1049
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: from this.

1050
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: CLASS i think It's Trevon.

1051
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 4: Henderson he was great when he first got To Ohio,

1052
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 4: state then had some injuries with a little nicked. UP

1053
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: i think he's you, know he's definitely seemed like he's

1054
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: grown up a lot there and. Matured he is the

1055
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: most explosive of the. BACKS i, mean he can make wild.

1056
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: Plays he's a good. Receiver like it wouldn't shock me

1057
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: if he was a guy who ran who went To Pro,

1058
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: bowls you, know whether he goes in the second, ROUND

1059
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 4: i would be shocked or somebody jumped into you, know like

1060
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: jumped up up for him in the first round because

1061
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 4: he's playmaking. Skills, AGAIN i don't want to, compare like

1062
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 4: he's different a little bit Than Jamier, gibbs but there's

1063
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 4: some wow like like that WHERE i think he's the

1064
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 4: one two punch with another bigger back where he makes

1065
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of great wow. Plays to,

1066
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 4: me he's the one who's a little. Different Caleb johnson

1067
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: From iowa is similar To omari And, hampton but my

1068
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 4: guess is the price on him will be like thirty

1069
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: picks lower because he didn't run four four six or

1070
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: Whatever hampton. Did BUT i think he's got some nastiness

1071
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 4: to him AND i think HE'S i think he'll be

1072
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: a really good running. Back but Treyvon hendersons has like

1073
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 4: has superstar potential in, him WHERE i don't know IF

1074
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: i would say that about some of the other guys in.

1075
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: There brids recording This wednesday is going to go out Next,

1076
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: Monday so tell the folks anything besides the great monk

1077
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: draft you have on the athletic that you have coming out,

1078
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: there they should keep their eyes.

1079
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 4: On. Yeah the Piece i'm working on now is really

1080
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 4: talking to a lot of position coaches in THE nfl

1081
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 4: about what they're, getting you, know what their impressions of,

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Speaker 4: guys because sometimes the position coaches aren't necessarily the ones

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Speaker 4: or you, know head coach has more say so than they.

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Speaker 4: Do BUT i always feel like it's THOSE i love

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Speaker 4: the CONVERSATIONS i end up in, for you, KNOW i

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Speaker 4: started that late last week and it's been heavy this

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Speaker 4: week AND i think it'll be out probably the.

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Speaker 3: The week of the.

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Speaker 2: Draft that's, Great, Bruce you're always so generous with your.

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Speaker 2: TIME i love talking to you a breadth of. Knowledge

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for the, time and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 3: Soon always a. Pleasure Thanks.

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Speaker 2: John That's Bruce feldman From Fox sports And The Athletic

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