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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today we're having a little Halloween

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Speaker 1: after party discussing some horror tropes you can find right

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Speaker 1: in nature. Evil, deadly lakes, fungus that isn't fun, terrifying antics,

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Speaker 1: and things that go bump in the night. Discover this

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Speaker 1: more as we answer the angel question, what does the

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Speaker 1: fox say? Is it? Joining me today are two horror

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Speaker 1: movie specialists and hosts of the Gamefully Unemployed podcasts, Tom

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Speaker 1: Ryman and David Bell. Oh spooky sounds Between us, we're

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Speaker 1: also probably hosting tons of parasites. Oh yeah, my skin

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Speaker 1: is rippling. Everyone has mites on their eyelashes, so you know,

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Speaker 1: m There are symbiotes. They're not really positive or negative.

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Speaker 1: They just sit there and eat your dead skin. It's

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Speaker 1: I still feel like they're they're getting something over on

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Speaker 1: me though. I las spiders. Yeah probably. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they actually do anything good for you, so they're, you know,

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Speaker 1: just kind of sitting on theres a get a job.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fun though, because you're never truly alone.

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Speaker 1: You're never alone when you got ice spiders, little tiny

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Speaker 1: ice spiders. Are they wait, do they look like spiders?

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Speaker 1: They look like spiders. They're actually mites, which are you know,

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Speaker 1: related to spiders. They're not actually spiders. I like to

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Speaker 1: picture my might swearing jaunty little hats. Yeah, they probably are.

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Speaker 1: I like. I like the idea of them, like sort

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Speaker 1: of matching my outfit every day. Like, hey, you're wearing

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Speaker 1: a flamingo shirt. Me too. Yeah. Cute, very courteous little

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Speaker 1: eye spiders. But guys, enough of the cute talk about spiders.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about haunted deadly lakes. That's right, spoo spoop

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Speaker 1: spoo sky lakes. You did say lakes, right, Like, well,

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Speaker 1: this is one leg. I'm sure there are other spooky lakes. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is the only spooky lake,

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Speaker 1: can I. I I think all lakes are spooky. They're

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Speaker 1: just they're giant like bodies of water of like stagnant water,

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Speaker 1: which is things in them that's spooky. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to go in those. I wouldn't say stagnant water necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but still yeah, still water, which is uh, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just assume if every lake is loaded with ghosts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's got to be loaded with all the ghosts of

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Speaker 1: the micro organisms, right like tiny just really haunted by

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Speaker 1: jack fish. Yeah, fish with unfinished business, finished fish business,

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Speaker 1: a turtle that never got to say goodbye to its mom.

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Speaker 1: That's actually sad you brought the podcast down. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: thought I thought the fish business would be like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to pick up that pebble in my

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Speaker 1: mouth and spit it back out really badly, and I

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Speaker 1: never got to write. I feel like it would be

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Speaker 1: be like I wanted to try like swimming in a

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Speaker 1: loop de loop and then I hit my head on

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Speaker 1: a rock and died. But now I'm going to try

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Speaker 1: it again. But yeah, no, this is an actual spooky lake.

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Speaker 1: So this is a lake that turns dead animals into

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Speaker 1: terrifying stone sculptures. I mean that sounds pretty dope. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's pretty tight. Yeah, it's pretty sounds like it

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Speaker 1: turns them into fun collectibles, into precious moments. The moment

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Speaker 1: of death isn't that precious though, you know. Yeah. Lake

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Speaker 1: Natrone in northern Tanzania a salt lake that is highly alkaline.

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Speaker 1: So if you're highly alkaline, you have a very high pH.

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Speaker 1: So you're basic, You're you're basic, like a basic bit right, Yeah? Wait,

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Speaker 1: this lake is a basic lake, is very basic. It's

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Speaker 1: a basic lake. I got you know what. I followed

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Speaker 1: this lake on Instagram and everybody got that. But it's

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Speaker 1: not basic like basic, but it's basic like it is

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Speaker 1: full of base, as in it has a high pH.

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Speaker 1: Like there's assets low pH, and there's bases high pH

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Speaker 1: and acids can be very caustic, and bases can be

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Speaker 1: very caustic as well. So it is so basic due

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Speaker 1: to high amounts of natron found in the lake. Natron

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Speaker 1: is a naturally occurring basic high P mineral salt. This

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Speaker 1: gives the lake a pH of over twelve, which is

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Speaker 1: a about as high as ammonia. Sure. Yeah cool. You

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Speaker 1: could say you could have said anything and I would. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what any of

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Speaker 1: that means making this up. It's got a pH is

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Speaker 1: high as glorge. Oh yeah, glory. Yeah, I remember hearing

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Speaker 1: about glorge in high school. Yeah, it's really a powerful

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Speaker 1: household solvent. Yeah. Well, so the lake is only about

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Speaker 1: ten ft deep, which is about three meters, but thirty

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Speaker 1: lake is pretty hot. It's about a hundred degrees fahrenheit,

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Speaker 1: if not more. And it is the world's most caustic lake.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, No, you know it'll cackle if you go

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Speaker 1: like a real, real, real trash lake. Like Gilbert Gottfried's

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Speaker 1: Gilfert Godfried's voice melted across ten miles or ever, why

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Speaker 1: it was. The pictures that you have here is this

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Speaker 1: is this the lake? This red, this terrifying red splotch

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Speaker 1: blood red. That is very considerate of the lake, right,

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Speaker 1: truth and advertising. Right, Yeah, So the satellite images of

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Speaker 1: the lake show a creepy kind of portal to hell

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Speaker 1: red gouge in the Earth's surface, and even up close

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Speaker 1: to the lake can be red. So not in all

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Speaker 1: parts of the lake are read. It kind of depends

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Speaker 1: closer to the shoreline, that might be bluer, but like

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Speaker 1: in the center of the lake, it may be redder.

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Speaker 1: It also, so it's red because of ciano bacteria that

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Speaker 1: very tiny organisms that also they can either live independently

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Speaker 1: gives red algae that bright red color. That's what happens

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Speaker 1: like when you have a red tide, not not the

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Speaker 1: euphemism for a lady's period, but an actual red tide

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Speaker 1: sham in the ocean. And not not to be confused

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Speaker 1: with the Tony Scott film Crimson Tide classic film. So

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Speaker 1: other than microorganisms, little life finds this lake hospitable save

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Speaker 1: for a few fish that live around the less salty

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Speaker 1: and caustic margins of the lake. And also flamingos. Flamingos

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Speaker 1: predators don't want to have to swim through a blood red, hellish,

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Speaker 1: highly basic, caustic lake. It's like it's like how they

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Speaker 1: always say, if you get attacked by a bear, light

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Speaker 1: yourself on fire and then the bear won't touch you,

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Speaker 1: the flamingos can basically survive it because they're on those

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Speaker 1: They have to get out of this lake. Yes, that's awful.

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Speaker 1: That's like real high risk reward here. It's it's it's

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Speaker 1: It's a basic mode, basic basic. But like it's just

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Speaker 1: I love I love the emo Flamingo. It's just got

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Speaker 1: its feathers black. That's great, But for most birds, this

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Speaker 1: Do they think it's more sky. They think it's more skyle. Literally,

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Speaker 1: sky to go in. Yeah, some bird scientists thinks they've

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Speaker 1: discovered a window into another dimension. O. Man. Growing up,

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Speaker 1: They were calcified, turned into statues, and then some jerk

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Speaker 1: what Briberry system went on to get locals. So just like, hey,

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Speaker 1: But he says that he didn't manipulate their bodies anyway,

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Speaker 1: could break break Man. The goth flamingo would love these

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Speaker 1: making these horrible scared dog noises. And I'm sure, at

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00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: least I hope very much that these were just really

421
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: well trained dogs. First of all, it's um white Thing

422
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: is one of the dogs. The dog actor who played

423
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: white Fing is the main dog in that I think, right, yeah,

424
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: I think it wor if you watch some of those

425
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: shots where the dogs are getting like sprayed with thing goo, yeah,

426
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: like you're definitely seeing irritated dogs. I don't think you're

427
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: seeing dogs in like afraid, but I think you're seeing

428
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: dogs being like what the hell is man? What is this? Right?

429
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: But there's like a dog that tries to bite its

430
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: way out of the cage because it's so scared. It's like, oh, puppy,

431
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: probably peanut butter all these I know, I know, right,

432
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: but like, screw all these people, like save the puppies.

433
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: My favorite is when a dog or animals trying to

434
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: be vicious and you can kind of tell they're just

435
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: having TILSA. That's so interesting about the and this is

436
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: a total tangent but I just watched it recently. So

437
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: the dog is infected by the thing, which is this

438
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: shape shifting alien evil entity, and the dog actor is

439
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: so good at being kind of uncanny the way it's

440
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: it's such a good dogs, such a good dog actor,

441
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: and it kind of is creepy, but it's also like

442
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm just so proud of such a good good boy.

443
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: What a good boy. It's white thing like that. That's

444
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: that is like the Jack Nicholson of dogs. Uh, it's great. Yeah,

445
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: the name is Jet Jet. The dog was in the

446
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: thing and white thing and white thing to get him,

447
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: get him an Oscar or an Oscar Mayer weener. I know,

448
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: we're I know, far down the rabbit hole. I just

449
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: have to say. The dog has one self credit where

450
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: the dog plays itself and this is blowing my mind. Uh,

451
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: it plays itself in the video documentary Dead Kennedy's the

452
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: early Years, a documentary about the punk band The Dead Kennedy's.

453
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't know why White Fame is in that, but

454
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: Jet the Dog was there in the formative years of

455
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: the Dead Kennedys, so they couldn't they couldn't do a

456
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: comprehensive documentary without talking to him. Right was Jed the

457
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: first singer. The cast of this documentary is the four

458
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: members of The Dead Kennedy's and Jed. That's all that's

459
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: listed on IMDV. The dog in a pair of glasses

460
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: like facing count. Yeah, well, you know, I do there

461
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: early years, and to be frank with you, it was

462
00:29:51,080 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: their sound was pretty rough. So now we're going to

463
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: talk about ants. Ants can be scary, but ants could

464
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: have their own horror movies like Attack of the Ant. Mimics.

465
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: There are species of predatory insects and arachnids that mimic

466
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: ants visually, behaviorally, and sometimes through pheromones. Reasons for the

467
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: mimicry range from being able to sneakily live among the

468
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: ants to stealing the ant's identity to avoid predators, Predators

469
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: who are rightfully afraid of the wrath of an ant colony.

470
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Speaker 1: Some mimics are ruthless murderers using their ant shape to

471
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: sneak up on an ant, kill it, and eat it,

472
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: like John Carpenter's The Thing. So before the break, we

473
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: were just talking about the Thing, and I was kind

474
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Speaker 1: of there aren't that many like shape shifting super animals

475
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: that can assume the form of any organism. Unfortunately, But

476
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: when you think of evolution as sort of like it,

477
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: like on this grander scale of evolution, shaping animals into

478
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: things in order to prey upon other animals, that behaves

479
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: very much like the Thing. And so I want you

480
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: to take a look at these photos because it shows

481
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: a couple of ant mimics. So the first photo is

482
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: of a jumping spider ant mimic. Can you tell which

483
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: one is the ant, which one is the spider? Yes,

484
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: But until I knew what these pictures were of, I

485
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: just assumed I was looking at two ants. I'm very

486
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, like now looking at him, like, oh, that

487
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: is a spider pretending doing its darndest to be an ant.

488
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: This is a real It's kind of cute. Yeah, this

489
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: this spider is really this is this is diabolical. Yeah,

490
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: Like I feel like if you saw this spider and

491
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: like squinted at it, he'd be like, don't don't blow

492
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: this for me. Shut up, dude, don't be an aren't

493
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Well this first one is a little less diabolical, I think,

494
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: because this is actually a jumping spider mimicking an ant,

495
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: not to prey on the ants, but actually to steal

496
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: their identities so other spiders don't prey on it. Because

497
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: if a spider eats an ant, a real ant, it

498
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: runs the risk of the ants sending out distress pheromones

499
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: and then the whole colony coming in and attacking killing

500
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: the spider, which happens frequently. So spiders are like, okay,

501
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to, like, you know, attack an ant.

502
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: So the jumping spider, which is often smaller spiders are

503
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: often the prey of bigger spiders, and the jumping spider,

504
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: a cute, little baby spider, is often the prey of

505
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: bigger spiders, so by imitating an ant, it is actually

506
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: standing a better chance of avoiding predation from larger spiders.

507
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I love that a spider eating an ant will erupt

508
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: into a gang fight. Yeah, Like they'll just cut they'll

509
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: just come out and stump at spiders as right, No,

510
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean like that's they have. That is their whole thing, right, safety, numbers,

511
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: safety and the colony. And if you you you have

512
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: to establish that basically you can't mess with us, or

513
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: else you get the whole whole colony up your butt.

514
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes literally, Yeah, it's it's like the entire philosophy of

515
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: the ant I feel like is they showed up on

516
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: this earth and they were like, crap, we're ants were

517
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: like the smallest things we better like stick together exactly,

518
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: that's all we have. They probably start out as solitary insects,

519
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: and it ended up the more social they were, the

520
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: more successful they were. So the second photos are interesting

521
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: because this is a little more devious. Now these are

522
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: not ants. They look basically the first one especially looks

523
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: exactly like an ant, but this is actually the ant

524
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: mimicking predatory spider called the Karena ant like jumper, and

525
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: they are found in Southeast Asia. They mimic weaver ants,

526
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: and this is a form of aggressive mimicry because this

527
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: spider will pretend to be an ant, you know, sneak

528
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: up to an aunt, be like hello, fellow aunt, and

529
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: then you know, eat it if it gets caught by

530
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: another ant. It's like just doing normal ants stuff, you know,

531
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: taking care of this dead body, and they're like, I'm

532
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: going to have to report you and we're gonna have to.

533
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: Don't be a total buzz killed dude. This ants pretty

534
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: suss exact. Yeah. And then the and that's the female.

535
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: The female looks very much like an ant, and it's

536
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: like front legs kind of look like the feelers of

537
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: the ant even though their legs and they'll actually hold

538
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: them kind of like feelers and mimic the ant's behavior.

539
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: And male karinga ant like jumper spiders, actually are away crazier.

540
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: And I think I may have mentioned this on the

541
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: show before, but there's another detail that I want to

542
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: point out. So male karnga ant like jumper spiders, look

543
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: like two ants where one ant is holding the other

544
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: quote unquote ant, but it's just one spider, and like

545
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: the second ant is, it's giant things. So unlike the female,

546
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: it needs to compete with other males in mating, so

547
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: it needs these big set of things. But ants don't

548
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: have generally speaking, giant long fangs, so in order to

549
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: continue to pass off as an ant, it makes itself

550
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: look like two ants one carrying the other, except for

551
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: the horrifying moment that one of the ants splits open

552
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: into a giant set of fangs. It's the it's the

553
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: spider equivalent of two kids in a trench coat. Yeah,

554
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: the spiders really having to juggle a lot of things, right,

555
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, it is. It's like it's like the thing

556
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: if the thing had to look like it was holding

557
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: a child, right, like then the child burst into tentacles

558
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: just has like like you know, child has like one

559
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: of the other ones like on the shoulders, and he's like, hey, guys,

560
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: this normal stuff. I love how these ants, like are

561
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: these spiders The female one has like terrifying spider mandibles

562
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: like the but like ants do too, just like slightly

563
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: different ones. So like an observant aunt would just be like, oh,

564
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: you're slightly more terrifying looking than us, not much more,

565
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: but your your creepy mouth is even creepier for some reason, right,

566
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: And they probably do a lot of like since just

567
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: sort of by feel, by tactile recognition, so probably their

568
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: eyesight is not super great, so but by like just

569
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: sweeping a leg over the spiders like oh you're you're, you're,

570
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: you're basically ant shaped, right, yeah, the male one, though,

571
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: it just feels like evolution just continuing to like right

572
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: over itself over and over again, like not erasing anything,

573
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: just adding and adding, like the like the female has

574
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: mastered it. That thing looks like an ant. The male

575
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: looks like a goblin. Yeah, females walking around like, hey,

576
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm an aunt. The man was walking like him. I'm

577
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: everybody's like it comes. Hey, guys, just two ants. I

578
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: don't think that guy's two ants. I don't know what

579
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: that is aunt favorite beer. We were talking about Annihilation earlier,

580
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: but it is interesting because, like when you look at

581
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: evolution on a larger scale, that idea of weird transformations,

582
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: like in a weird melding of like different forms. Actually,

583
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: while it doesn't really happen across species like it does

584
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: in were distantly related species, in Annihilation, it does certainly happen.

585
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: We're like, we just had an episode actually Aban Bridget

586
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: We're on and we talked about carsonization, where everything just

587
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: starts to turn into crabs, like every uh, everything is crap,

588
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: Everything is crabs. Every crustacean starts to like evolve into

589
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: crab form at some point, I preferred like everything. You're

590
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: just like you turn on the faucet and it's like

591
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: crabs spiders. Spiders are starting to be more. They're like

592
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: crab spiders and look, maybe humans are next. I don't

593
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: have any quote unquote research to back that up, but

594
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: I like the idea that Mother Nature is like endgame

595
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: is crab like that Crab game. Yeah, we're all just

596
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: we're all just on our way to be crabs. Different

597
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: different age of Ultron kind of thing where he does

598
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: the he does this finger snap and everyone gets turned

599
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: to crabs. That would have been a better one. That'd

600
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: been a better wish, better magic gauntlet. Wish my wish.

601
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: Everyone's crabs now crab world. So another horror movie trope

602
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: that ants do is that scene in World war Z,

603
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, the one where all the it's like the

604
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: only good scene in the World war Z the movie,

605
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: but like where all the zombies are piling on top

606
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: of each other to get over this wall. So ants

607
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: do this where they form bridges out of their bodies.

608
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: So at first it sounds, you know, pretty innocent and

609
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: simple enough, like these ants kind of cooperating together maybe,

610
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: but like when you actually look at the reality and

611
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: science behind it. It is very scary and it's like

612
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: even worse in some ways than that World Wars Z

613
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: scene because like in the World War Z scene, they're

614
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: just sort of creating like a pile, a zombie pile.

615
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, okay, yeah, I guess kind of threatening.

616
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: So army ants have this behavior where they can actually

617
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: make these long bridge chains of ants. So I want

618
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: you guys to check out that video just for a second. Oh,

619
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: I've seen this. Yeah, I want to hang off of it.

620
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: Do you think you think they'd let me hang off

621
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: of it? No? Maybe? Don't you think I just end

622
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: up covered in ants? Maybe he dress as a big aunt, like, hey,

623
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm here, I am also an aunt because they seem

624
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: pretty too. Yeah, describe what you're seeing here. It looks

625
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: like a jump rope like it. It's it's the awning

626
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: of a house, and it looks like from afar someone

627
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: has hung like maybe a cable of some sort off

628
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: off the edge of the house. Cable you could like

629
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: plant something on it, and then once you press play,

630
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: it does indeed begin to move and it it appears

631
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: to be honestly the most useless ant bridge I've seen

632
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: because they're forming this big loop list like drooping loop

633
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: so that they can get the equivalent of like one

634
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: and a half feet that they could probably just crawl

635
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: on the awning to get. It does seem like they're

636
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: showing off. So it's like a it's it's a big

637
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: chip purely made out of ants, this big chain of

638
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: ants like thick as a thick as a big cable

639
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: that goes from like sort of one end to the

640
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: awning sort of loops down and then goes up towards

641
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: what is actually a wasps nest. These are army ants.

642
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: So army ants describe a number of species of ants

643
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: that form aggressive groups of foraging ants, and this can

644
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: result in rivers of ants, towers of ants, and just

645
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: huge bridges of undulating ants. And when you you look

646
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: at this, it's like, okay, so why how are they

647
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: doing this? Like are they do they have some kind

648
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: of like pheromone signal where they're like, okay, make a bridge,

649
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: or is it some kind of altruism sort of thing

650
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: or like cooperation or emergent multimind or like the queen

651
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: going like okay, guys, go form a bridge. And the

652
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: reality is actually kind of frustratingly simple. So there is

653
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: just this very and we actually talked about this, I

654
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: think last week, just about how a very intelligent seeming

655
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: behavior can actually be really dumb simple behavior. But once

656
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: you multiply it by a bunch of individuals, the swarm

657
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: actually seems to be acting very intelligently. So here's the

658
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: basic algorithm that researchers have worked out that each dumb

659
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: little aunt brain does. So aunt comes across a gap

660
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: and it pauses because you know, it's like, oh, a gap,

661
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: and it stops. And then another aunt comes from behind

662
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: the first aunt, and that ant walks over the first

663
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: ant and then gets to the end of the first

664
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: ant and stops, and it's like, oh, I can't walk anymore.

665
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: And the first ant, when another ant is walking on

666
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: top of its back, it just instinctively freezes. And then

667
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: so when there are so this keeps happening over and

668
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: over again. Right, So it's like now there's like two

669
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: ants that are like stopped because like the first ant

670
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: is like, oh, someone's on top of me. I freeze now,

671
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: and then the second ant is like, oh, I can't

672
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: walk anymore. I stopped walking now. And the third ant

673
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: comes walks over both of them. They're like, okay, we're

674
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: stopped now. But this keeps happening over and over again

675
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: until you have an actual bridge of ants between the gap,

676
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: and then ants can start to cross it. So basically,

677
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: when there are enough ants trampling on the frozen ants backs,

678
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: they will stay in place because there's so much foot

679
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: traffic on top of them. But when traffic starts to

680
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: lighten up, they'll actually start to break apart and keep moving,

681
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: like as soon as they don't have so many ants

682
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: trampling over them. And this is like this very stupidly

683
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: simple algorithm, but then you multiply that times thousands and

684
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: thousands of ants, and that actually results in this very

685
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: complex group behavior that allows them to build bridges which

686
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: can increase movement efficiency and reach places of interest. Now,

687
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: in this case, it is interesting because like this looks

688
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: to be fairly unintelligent, right, like why would you form

689
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: this big loop of ants when you could just like

690
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: walk from the hive back to the like, So they're

691
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: they're going to the wasps nest in order to rate it,

692
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: like get all the larva and stuff and eat eat

693
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: all these things, and then what they'll do is they

694
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: like break apart their prey and then like bring it

695
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: back to their ant colony. But the fact that they've

696
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: formed the seemingly like superfluous loop instead of just walking

697
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: across the awning. It could either just be sort of

698
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: the algorithm just being kind of dumb. I mean, like

699
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: any computer programmer probably knows when this happens when you

700
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: write a program, and sometimes it's not completely efficient because

701
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: it just happens to start this behavior that will keep going.

702
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: Or it could be that like there are ants that

703
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: are trying to walk across the roof, but it's harder

704
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: for them to carry things on this flat surface upside

705
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: down or something. I'm not sure. It's very interesting. They're

706
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: just trying to get their their their wiggles out. I

707
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: was gonna I was gonna make a joke about like

708
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: the the uselessness of being one of those bridge ants

709
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: just sitting there like in one place, not not serving

710
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: a very simple purpose to make this flimsy bridge for

711
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: the better ants to like walk across. And then I

712
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: remembered like society and jobs, and was like, oh, all right,

713
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: you remember we live in a society. Yeah, we live

714
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: in a society. Do the ants get to like talk

715
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: to each other, at least when they're in the bridge,

716
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, how's your how's your aunt wife? And then

717
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: the other times like we're all sisters, what are you

718
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: talking about? And then the third ants like I'm not

719
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: a spider, guys, a spider, the spider would know how

720
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: to do it right. The spider would mess it up,

721
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: really give it give itself away in this situation, who

722
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: do you guys? What do you mean? Hang eight? I mean,

723
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: is there is there a Pixar movie in this where

724
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: a spider like is gonna eat the ants? And then

725
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: like or it's just it's just trying to get away

726
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: from its spider family and does this and then like

727
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: it's you know, the ants find out and they accept

728
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: them anyway. So let's talk about ancient aunt vampires. Let

729
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: me tell the story of this ancient ant vampire, and

730
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: someone please write a fan fiction. Make it really, make

731
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: it really horny and inappropriate. Yes, would be vampire right? Nice,

732
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: very good. So a million year old chunk of amber

733
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: was found with the demonic vampire hell ant inside. So

734
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: this ant is extinct for now, we do have it

735
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: trapped in amber, so you know, you know where that

736
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: it's blood and make dinosaurs. Yeah, I mean make just

737
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: make more of these ants and call it aunt Park

738
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: and people still die and go out of business part

739
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: by each gigantic island. Uh set up big fences and

740
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: just release the It's like that seeing this the big

741
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: reveal where the two paleontologists are like, they're like, oh

742
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: my god, there's actually dinosaurs, except like one. They're like

743
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: the music swells and you look out and there's like

744
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: nothing there, and then they're like, you know down there,

745
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: and then it's like donna na closer. Done on. I

746
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: still can't know. Okay there. I think that's one right

747
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: of it done on on on. There's one Jeff Goldblum

748
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: type who's like, you can't do this and they're like,

749
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: what you think it's irresponsible? Like no, it's just a

750
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: bad business, terrible idea. Nobody's gonna pay money to see

751
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: these ants. I don't care about the morality. It's just

752
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: it's just there ants. Well, I think these ants are cool,

753
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: you guys anything. I think if you hear about these ants,

754
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: you'll think they're cool too. So this is called a

755
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: lingua mar Max vladdy Sure, lingua mar Max Vladdie and

756
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm imagining that Vladdie is referencing Vlad like a vampire,

757
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: a species in a group of ants called hell ants,

758
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: because their mandibles were just giant sides, like big curved blades.

759
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: So these sides like job swooped down on the underside

760
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: of the jaw and snap upwards and like this very

761
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: very violent underbite. Most modern ants, like their mandibles move horizontally,

762
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: like side to side, you know, just a little kind

763
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: of thinging on there. But these ones it was like

764
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: up and down, like this sort of upside down guillotine

765
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: made out of sickles. And their jaws are surrounded by

766
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: sensitive hairs that allowed the jaw to snap shut. So

767
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: like these trigger hairs that if something brushes against them,

768
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: the jaw is kind of flap shut, which probably easily

769
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: decapitated unsuspecting prey. And on the upper part of their

770
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: jaw is a hard, flat anvil that actually had metal

771
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: particles in it to reinforce it. So basically they have

772
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: like a chopping block on the top of their jaw

773
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: and like a big axe on the bottom of their

774
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: jaw that comes up and chops against this like anvil,

775
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't decapitate their prey. It like crushes

776
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: it or punctures it. And uh also, um, there are

777
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: vampires because when you have a guillotine on your face,

778
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: you can't really chew, so they had to suck the

779
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: blood and other essential goo out of their victims. Just

780
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: dudes like trap chaw the heman villain. Yeah, this ant's

781
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: ready for the spider, the spider. Like this is like

782
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: a reverse trap like the spider. It would come up like, hey,

783
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm just an ant. If the spider comes in there,

784
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: like the Steve BUSSETI meme, Hello fellow, it's only seeing

785
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: the ant from from the behind, and then the ant

786
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: turns around, so it's like, yeah, yeah, this thing, this

787
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: is a cool ant. Why don't we have these ants anymore?

788
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean potentially trading off your ability to chew things

789
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: with a giant guillotine face. I guess probably like the

790
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: more streamlined ants one out in that. Yeah, yeah, but

791
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: they're less cool. Yeah. I feel like evolution would have

792
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: favored them if they existed when we existed, and like

793
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: ant farms would be a more lucrative business. We'd love

794
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: these ants. I would I would have an ant farm.

795
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean artificial selection. Definitely in terms of our human preferences.

796
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: We do love a monster, look at love a good monster. Yeah,

797
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: this is basically the pug of ants. Let's let's let's

798
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: do like weird cross breeding until all of their legs

799
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: are sickles too. Yeah about pugs right, yes, yeah, talking

800
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: about turning pugs into just these little knife beasts. Ye cute,

801
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: dug the pugs, but it's not nice. Yeah. Ants can

802
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: be pests at picnics, but are they actually dangerous to humans?

803
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: While most ants may not be able to kill you,

804
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: some species can. The Maricopa harvester ant found in the

805
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: southwest United States and in Mexico have been a more

806
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: potent than honey bees that produces extreme pain and humans.

807
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: It can also be potentially deadly because they send out

808
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: an alarm pheromone that triggers other ants to sting as well.

809
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: A few hundred stings and you may be dead meat

810
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: if you don't get medical attention. When we return, we're

811
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: going to play a little auditory game, So turn your

812
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: headphones up and your lights out. Imagine you're camping, the

813
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: sun has set, the stars are out, and you're sitting

814
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: by a dim dying camp fire. There's the din of crickets,

815
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: the wind blowing through the trees, and all of a sudden,

816
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: you here. So, guys, we're going to play a game.

817
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a sound, and you're gonna guess what

818
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: it is. Okay, do you guess what that one was? Yeah?

819
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: Go for it. Um, I don't know. I feel like,

820
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: is it is it? Is it? Bobcat gold Swate, Yeah,

821
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: it is it? Bobcat gold sway on acid in the woods.

822
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: UM's no, all right. The first instinct some kind of bird,

823
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: because birds are allowed all the time, and so that

824
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: sounds like some sort of crow. But I could actually

825
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: see it being some kind of actual like Bobcat, not gold,

826
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: not gold slate, but also gold Swate sounds gold regular, regular,

827
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: Bob Bobcat classic. This is actually the call of a

828
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: red fox, which is like when I think of a fox,

829
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I think of them sort of maybe

830
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: going like rank or a meal. They don't really mew,

831
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: but you know, I just think like a fox noise

832
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: to me is definitely not like ra Yeah, like an

833
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: existential screen. Yeah, they make like weird chirping noises. They

834
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: do that too. Yeah, fox noises are really unique. That's

835
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: the that's the that's that. I guess what was a

836
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: Swedish music video with the Fox saying like wrap up

837
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: and that isn't it? They were wrong? Yeah, no, that

838
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: is not what the fox there. The Fox does sometimes

839
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: say that as well, But they also say this and

840
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: this is either a territory warning call or I don't know,

841
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: potentially a noise they make while they're mating. I think

842
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: this one is the territory morning call. But they do

843
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: make weird screams while they're making as well. I like that.

844
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: We apparently can't tell the difference between those two things.

845
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure a foxologists could, but I care one of

846
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: them big city scientists. I'm no big city Fox lawyer.

847
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to play another sound for you to guess

848
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: and one and a two and here we go, all right.

849
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: That had an evolution, Like at first I thought was

850
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: someone distantly having a party. I thought somebody was like

851
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: playing some steel drums for a second, and then I

852
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: was like, oh, is a coffee maker running out of water?

853
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,479
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh am I hearing hell? Yeah?

854
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: Is this hell? Um? Is Satan choking? Satan's choking on

855
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: a pretzel? Satan's chicken bones stuck in his throat. Yeah,

856
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess some sort of monkey or ape. Oh,

857
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess some sort of reptile or amphibious creature

858
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: like a frog or something. Yeah, like some sort of

859
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: stupid toad. This is actually a koala. I don't like

860
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: that at all. Get that right out of here. This

861
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: is a male koala showing dominance behavior, announcing his position

862
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: with a low, growling rumble. And this is so the

863
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: koalas don't have to fight as much. So like if

864
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: they have a territorial call, much like in other animals

865
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: that have territorial calls, they are announcing their presence basically saying, hey,

866
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: this is my area, and that just kind of helps

867
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: reduce the amount of scuffles they have to get into.

868
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: And koalas will scuffle. They seem cute and cuddly, but

869
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: don't they are. Yeah. Is this the koala equivalent? Like

870
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: if you have property and you don't want people to

871
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: wander on, you can hang like a bunch of doll

872
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: heads and nobody's coming. You know, no one's going to

873
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: cross that property line. Is this the koala equivalent where

874
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: they're like and other qualies like I don't know, I

875
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: don't know what that playing kid rock really loud? Ye

876
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: your speakers, Yeah, I don't do it both that in

877
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: dull heads that Yeah, you're guaranteed not to get any guests,

878
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: all right. So now onto the next sound and just

879
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: a little, a little additional one here. So what do

880
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: you think that is a poltergeist? I think it's I

881
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: think it's a Nicolas Cage performance. You know, what it

882
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: does sound like is one of those rubber chickens that

883
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: you squeeze and then when you release it like screams.

884
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of wolf howl at the end,

885
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: and so I'm guessing it's some sort of dog beast.

886
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of bird a right, Dave, You're actually very

887
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: close on this one. This is a new Guinea singing dog,

888
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: which actually is probably makes the same sound as the

889
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: new Guinea Highland wild dogs because they're very very closely related.

890
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: So a little background. The new Guinea singing dogs are

891
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: dogs that were probably domesticated from Highland wild dogs or

892
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: even just tamed. I don't know how genetically different they

893
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: are from the wild version of these dogs. They do

894
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: not bark. Instead, they sing or how which often has

895
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: that spooky thing at the end where it sounds haunted.

896
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: I'll play it for you again to see you remember.

897
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: And what's interesting is that wolves and other wild canines

898
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: do not typically bark, at least not in the same

899
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: way that dogs bark, because barking was an adaptation that

900
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: domesticated dogs developed after humans selected for watchdogs. So it's

901
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: very significant that these dogs do not bark much because

902
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: it indicates that they are more wild and earlier on

903
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: the evolutionary tree than your typical dog. So it's there's

904
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: a lot of like debate about like where they are

905
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: in terms of dogs evolution from their wolf like ancestors,

906
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: But it seems like it may be sort of a

907
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: separate branch that like remained wild for a while longer

908
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: before humans sort of re like took that sort of

909
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: like wonky branch and then domesticated them a little more. Okay,

910
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: so there was domestication involved, because I'm looking at a

911
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: picture and it looks like a domesticated dog. I have

912
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: a theory, sure is that we domesticated them then they

913
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: started doing that and we stopped domesticating them. We were like, oh,

914
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 1: never mind, I can't have you in our house every

915
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: if every time the mailman comes, I think I've crossed

916
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: over into that. No, thank you, no, thank you, dog.

917
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: You win, you win this round of domestication. Here's a

918
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: fun fact. They can rotate their pause to help them

919
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: catch prey or open door knobs. You know. Oh no, oh,

920
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: that's not good. I don't need this thing coming into

921
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: my house again. You get one. It walks into your

922
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: room and like opens the door and goes it's knock,

923
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: door knob, just slowly turns in a little dog face

924
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: sticks and it's like, not interested. Dog. I don't need

925
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: any of this. So now here's my last sound for

926
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:41,439
Speaker 1: you guys to guess about. And what do you think

927
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: is making that sound? I'm gonna go with wishful thinking

928
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: and say it's a worm I wanted to be. I

929
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: want a screaming worm to exist yet like an angry bat. Yeah,

930
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: I can see something like that. This is actually a

931
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: barn owl. So most owls make a lovely little like sound,

932
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: but barn owls scream like they're being murdered. And the

933
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: call is used by males to attract mates and to

934
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: invite females to check out potential nest sites, whereas females

935
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: use the screeching call to ask males to give them food.

936
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: So it's actually a pretty like sweet thing. Basically, these

937
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: owls are screaming at each other, but then in the subtitles,

938
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: it's like, honey, would you like to come over and

939
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: check out this nesting side. I think it has an

940
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: excellent view. Honey, could you get me that dead mouse?

941
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm feeling kind of peckish? Right? Yeah, that owls are

942
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: the weirdest things we have. Yeah, there's sky cats. They

943
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: don't they don't. They don't seem to have like bones.

944
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: They do have bones. I don't know they're they're they're real.

945
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: They don't have bones, but they have ears that are asymmetrical,

946
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: so one earhole is lower than the other earhole to

947
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: give them more depth perception with their hearing. Okay, um, yeah, alright,

948
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: cool the sound of a of a defeated man. You

949
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: you you implied they established owl relationship with these screams.

950
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: You can both be a come on like to sort

951
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: of I was thinking, like, hey, baby, check out my path, right,

952
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: like to seduce some mate, But it can also be

953
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: to communicate with a mate, like check out this nesting site,

954
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: or I'm hungry, please feed me, which is what the

955
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: sound that I make when I'm hungry. Also there's yeah,

956
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: it's just I will. This is exactly the kind of

957
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: the kind of malarchy i'd expect an owl to do

958
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: because they gotta make They're just having a casual conversation

959
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: and they got to freak everybody out around them because

960
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: that's just what they do. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I

961
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: I do like an owl. I also like how you

962
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: look at you like sort of lift up there sort

963
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: of skirts skirt feathers and you lift them up in

964
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: their legs are just big and swollen. It's very good.

965
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm not against I'm not against owls. It's just there's

966
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: always what now with owls. Like if I saw an

967
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: owl and then it suddenly like like turned into two owls,

968
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: like separated the two, I'd be like, I guess that's

969
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: the thing they can do, because like, nothing would be

970
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: surprised me about owls. They're they're weird little creatures that

971
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: just flutter around and go about your like what are

972
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: what is their world? There's nothing better than a group

973
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: of baby barn owls sort of as a group because

974
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: their feathers haven't really grown in yet, and they're very defensive.

975
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: So you take a video of them and they're kind

976
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: of waving their head around like what are you going

977
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: to do about it? Huh broke, what are you gonna

978
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: do about it? And they're like basically naked. They look

979
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: like aliens and probably one of them's gotta like a mouse,

980
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: how down its throat? Like? There are a lot of

981
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: videos that you can see where you know, barn owls

982
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: just top notch, top notch animals in terms of just

983
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: making a dramatic scene, the real Edged Lords. Yeah, have

984
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: you seen the owl documentary um Legends of the Guardians

985
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: the Owls of Goole? No? I have not, so clearly

986
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't know everything about owls. Have you seen a Dave? Yes,

987
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: this is a good movie. M hmm. It's definitely got

988
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: a lot of owls in it. Yeah, it's definitely of

989
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: one owl? How many els? Too many owls? Like a

990
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: whole lot of owls? Are telling me is that this

991
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: movie was not a hoot, not a hoot. It has

992
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: owl fascists in it. Well, alright, so I'm gonna go

993
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: with not a just gonna do one more. We're going

994
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: to do one more sound. We're going to end the

995
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: episode on that note. What do you think that is? Shoot?

996
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's definitely like, yeah, that's some some kind

997
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: of really angry extinct creature. Possibly that is the rare

998
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: brown tufted, red chested to malan. Yeah. Yeah, and that

999
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: is the call that it makes during mating. Uh huh

1000
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: oh god, you just really disturbed me with the implication

1001
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: that every time he makes that sound he's horned, because

1002
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: he makes that sound a lot he does. Yeah. Well,

1003
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for joining me today and

1004
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: playing my animal sound guessing game and checking out some

1005
01:06:55,520 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: real life animal horror movies. Where can the people find you? Uh?

1006
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,400
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1009
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: having having us on. Yeah. Always a delight. Indeed, this

1010
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1011
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1012
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:31,080
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