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Speaker 2: I'm for I've heard so many players say, well, I

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Speaker 1: Is that woo woom?

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Speaker 2: And them and Tie.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk transfer portal, shall we?

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Speaker 2: Are you replacing me? Um? Is somebody transferring in? I

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Speaker 2: will neither confirm nor it's not.

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Speaker 3: It's okay.

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Speaker 1: I will neither confirm nor deny whether there have been

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Speaker 2: We're having Max Olson on the show. You're a huge

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Speaker 2: portal guy, not necessarily like if this is the best

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Speaker 1: And sure, I'm a fan. I fall what Max says

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Speaker 2: Okay, what is your fate? Do you have a favorite part?

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Speaker 2: to you, Do you remember so there was like Willy

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Speaker 2: Role and has vacuums if you're interested, has vacuums lightly

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Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, Dan, We wanted to do

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Speaker 1: Max. The big rumor was eight million dollars for quinn

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Speaker 3: the first round. Obviously, last few years has been a

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00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 3: lot of guys that go into the draft that that

436
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 3: you surprised you in terms of them becoming first rounders.

437
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 3: So I would think he'll be a top fifty pick,

438
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 3: and I imagine that he's pretty content with the way

439
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 3: that all played out.

440
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I will accept that answer. I do have another

441
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: question kind of along the same lines though. You know,

442
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: so much of the reporting with respect to transfer portal

443
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: news is about teams going out after other teams players,

444
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: but there is now almost a cottage industry related to

445
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: recruiting your own players. We've heard numerous coaches talk about

446
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: this that is ever important to just keep your roster intact.

447
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: To what degree does this aspect of it affect your

448
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: love for college football right, because there is I think

449
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: a bit of cynicism now that comes with where we're

450
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: at in the sport, with this constant push pull of

451
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: needing to recruit other guys to come in and make the

452
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: roster better at the same time not losing what you have.

453
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: What do coaches say to you, what do personnel guys

454
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: say to you about that whole process and how it

455
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: affects their love for the sport as well.

456
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 3: You know, I think this is like it's an exciting

457
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: beat to cover, and there's when things are going on

458
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: in December, it is pretty fast paced and action packed

459
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, and it can seem exciting. Sometimes

460
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: you do have to take a step back in my

461
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: role and be like, wait, do people like this that

462
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 3: this is going on?

463
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: Who is this for?

464
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: Do people buy jerseys and what do they do with

465
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: those jerseys? Now? Like I mean, it's like, I definitely understand,

466
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: especially when you've had just like decades of people obsessively

467
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: covering and following recruiting and being like, all right, this

468
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: guy's gonna be here for four years. I'm like, you know,

469
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 3: when they're junior senior, you're like, we're gonna go with

470
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 3: a nation championship and all that stuff. Like when you

471
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: have kind of that that belief that you're going to

472
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: have long term investment in a player and then it's

473
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 3: all just year to year now, Like, I definitely understand that.

474
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: For Assertion, I've received a bunch of phone calls in

475
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: December and January from DPPs and gms who are venting

476
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: about things that they are dealing with. And that's not

477
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: just I mean they know that that, like everybody else

478
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: is dealing with it too.

479
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: What are they dealing with specifically?

480
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got I think this was an off

481
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: season where I don't know that the fans would maybe

482
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: necessarily fully understand this yet, but where it is more

483
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: pro style in the sense of, like, Okay, we've got

484
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: three running backs. I don't know if we can afford

485
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 3: to bring back all three running backs next year. We'd

486
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: love to. We like them, but we're going to prioritize

487
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 3: resigning this guy. And then our number two running back

488
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 3: is going to be able to make more money if

489
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: he goes somewhere else, So we're not pushing him out,

490
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: but we're not going to offer him as much as

491
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 3: he could make on the market. And hopefully he stays,

492
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,239
Speaker 3: but he's probably not going to stay. Like I think

493
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: there's just more of that, just the kind of cap

494
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: management dynamics are way more in play now. It's not

495
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 3: kind of just impulsive spending. I think everybody's trying to

496
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: figure out, like how to make this work under a

497
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: twenty you know, the fourteen to fifteen million under the

498
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: twenty point five, under a deal that hasn't even really

499
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: officially been approved yet, So I think there's a lot

500
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: of like moving parts to that piece. I think there's

501
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 3: also just on the on the staff side, you know,

502
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: you are dealing with even at the contenders, even at

503
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: the playoff teams who are like, look, our guys are

504
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: going to stay because they want to become starters and

505
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: they want to become early draft picks and all that

506
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. I think they kind of feel like

507
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: they're experiencing price gouging even just for like for their backups.

508
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 3: And they're young guys of like, Okay, yeah, this guy,

509
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: you know, red shirt of this year, he's a retro freshman.

510
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 3: This year, he played a little bit, he's going to

511
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: have a good role next year. So why is his

512
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: agent calling me and saying we got to get him

513
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 3: to four hundred to six hundred, Like what are we

514
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 3: doing here? I think there's just a lot of like

515
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 3: because there's one hundred and thirty four schools out there there, uh,

516
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: and there's sixty other you know, or seven of the

517
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: other power for schools that theoretically could offer your guy

518
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: more money, they're constantly going to be asked to pay

519
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: them more. And so I think back the competitive nature

520
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: of that it's, uh, there's there's definitely some some challenges

521
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: that come with that. And then, like you know, you

522
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: even talk to Lin Kiffin and some of the guys

523
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: that are very good at this, I think there's still

524
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: a lot of frustration about like why are there two

525
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: free agency periods? Why are we doing this again in

526
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 3: the spring. I feel like I'm just getting this guy

527
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: for six months and then we're going to go through

528
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 3: this mess all over again in April. And so someday

529
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: will there will there be When we say deals will

530
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: we mean these are deals that keep them on campus

531
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 3: for multiple years. Like you can put that in writing

532
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: now with your your conference deals. You're doing them and stuff.

533
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: But I think people still understand we're gonna have more

534
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: headaches again in the spring.

535
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned the headaches some perfect segue for me because

536
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: again from Afar, we're not working the portal. Beat back

537
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: from Afar, it feels like there are no guardrails on

538
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: this thing whatsoever. You know, as Dan often mansions on

539
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: the show, scaffolding on top of scaffolding, not just for

540
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: college football, but certainly for the transfer portal. Is that

541
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: an accurate depiction of this thing? Have there been guardrails

542
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: built over the last couple of years to maybe keep

543
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: this thing a little bit more curtailed. Is that not

544
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: the case? Like, how would you represent this to people

545
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: who aren't as in the weeds as you.

546
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: I think that Like the way that the game is

547
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: played now with transfer recruiting is very different than it

548
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: was like two or three years ago. And I think

549
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: a big piece of that is just there is presently

550
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: no fear of enforcement. I mean, the SLA is straight

551
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: up they had to pause all of it. They just

552
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: they you know, yeah, we would love to look into

553
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: third party involvement in transfer recruiting and pay for play recruiting,

554
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 3: and less of they cannot. I mean, they just straight

555
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: up cannot. And so in the past, you were you know,

556
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: you had to be careful and you had to you know,

557
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: have collectives pop up as kind of that intermediary to

558
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: have the conversations and work out the financial element of it.

559
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: That's not the case now. Right right now it is

560
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: We're gonna do whatever we want and we're not going

561
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: to really live in fear of get of anybody cracking

562
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: down on this. And so when you talk to players

563
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: and just like what their portal experience was. It's now like, yeah,

564
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: this head coach texted me and said, we will give

565
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: you seven hundred thousand dollars, and then this you know,

566
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: assistant coach texted me and said we will give you

567
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: nine hundred thousand dollars and a Lamborghini and all this sudden.

568
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: It's just straight up like like the money comes first

569
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: now and then. And I'm not saying that the player

570
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: doesn't automatically go to the school that offered the most money.

571
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: I mean there's still an element of fit and role

572
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: and can I see myself being successful here and all that,

573
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 3: but I mean they're there's no there's no fear of

574
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: the police catching you speeding anymore, and so you can

575
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 3: have these dealings directly with the agent and you know

576
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: it now. It's just I'm not saying this is the

577
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: case for every player, because some players are not worth

578
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: this kind of action, but like for the top guys

579
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: out there, it's just it's just kind of a straight

580
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: up bidding war now. And you talk to some gms

581
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: that are doing this now when you know that's the case. Now,

582
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: Like if you get the guy on campus for the

583
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: official visit, I think you're you're going to approach this

584
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: from Look, we're not going to let you go in

585
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: to any other official visit. It's like, what is it

586
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: going to take to get this done? And we are

587
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: going to, you know, make you an offer you can't

588
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: refuse to get this thing. Need to get you signed now.

589
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: And so I think that's that's kind of the increases

590
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: the pressure of like, if you've got a chance to

591
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: get somebody, you're going to pay whatever it takes to

592
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: get them. And so yeah, it's just it's more competitive

593
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: than ever before because there's more money dumped into the

594
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: market than ever before, and there's not really any rules

595
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: that people are trying to tiptoe around now know about

596
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: about this being anything other than you know, just straight

597
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: up pay for play.

598
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: By the way, am I the only one of us

599
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: three who was still uncomfortable using the term GM as

600
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: much as we've been using it for college football, Like,

601
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm still getting used to this. It used to be

602
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: a pro thiing, now it's now it's here.

603
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: Some schools don't even like USC just hired a GM

604
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: just right.

605
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody has to get in this game now. I'm

606
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: still getting caught.

607
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: Up, It's true, and I think that talking to some

608
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: of them. I think part of it is that they

609
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: are the person who is directly dealing with the wild,

610
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: interesting world of agents. I think that part of it

611
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: is just like, hey, let's let's have them be the contact.

612
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: We don't want the head coach to be fielding those forward.

613
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: Which sounds like the worst job in the world.

614
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: By the way, well, I mean you could see why

615
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: the guys out there who are doing at the highest level,

616
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: like Courtney Morgan in Alabama and Brandon Harrison Texas, James

617
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: Lashter tex Tech, the salary and the price for those

618
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: guys is going up because you know, and you mentioned

619
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: Chad going to USC like those guys do a lot,

620
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: and and part of that is the classic, you know,

621
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: old school direct recruiting. And part of that is is

622
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: running an increasingly complicated operation, especially now that you are

623
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: shifting some of the collective responsibility in terms of managing

624
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: the money over to the personnel department and the head

625
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: coach and so. But you can't just do this by

626
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: the seat of your pants and just uh, oh, I

627
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: want this guy, I don't care, let's pay him, like

628
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: you have to have some uh some element of responsibility

629
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: to it. And so yeah, I think that the GM role.

630
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: You know, this is easy to say as you see

631
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: these guys, their their salary go up, like those guys

632
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: probably should be making coordinator money and not tight ends

633
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: coach money. I mean, it's a it's a it's a

634
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: very involved and a complex job.

635
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: Nowadays, when you look at the portal team rankings from

636
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: whatever site you want to choose, it seems to be

637
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: like it's kind of the usual suspects. It's those schools who,

638
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, like they're not going to let a

639
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: perspective poor guy get off campus without a deal. It's Miami,

640
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: It's Oregon, LSU, Ohio States up there, Alabama. There is

641
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: one school I think in whatever top five, top ten

642
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: that and this happens every year. There's a school that's like, oh,

643
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: let's let's find a bunch of money this year. We

644
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: feel good. That school this year is Texas Tech. Texas

645
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: Tech coming off of a an okay season, a pretty

646
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: good year. They did beat i think both teams that

647
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: played in the Big Twelve championship game. So there's that

648
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: level of encouragement going into twenty twenty five. But they

649
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: haven't recruited like this in the portal before to this degree,

650
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: what's behind this the Lubbock surge this season.

651
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: So Texas Tech is trying to do an old miss

652
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: but they're trying to do it in the Big twelve

653
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: where they think that you have a higher chance of

654
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: that paying off because I think if you do the

655
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: all in show that Ole missed it a year ago.

656
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: Like they built probably one of the best d lines

657
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: in the country, right they Serena Jackson dart with playmakers

658
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: and a veteran off it's the line and everything the challenges.

659
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: You still go line up with LSU, and you go

660
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: line up with Georgia and all these schools and you're like, Okay,

661
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: now we've like caught up to them, but we're not

662
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: like far superior to them when we when we line

663
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: up at them. And so Texas Tech is sort of

664
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: trying to replicate that, but in a Big twelve where

665
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: you feel like if we're the only school that's really

666
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: spending a lot of money, we feel like we're going

667
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: to be in the Big Tal Championship. And so this

668
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: is an all in schep for them. They like what

669
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: they have coming back, they like Darren Morton, they want

670
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: they won eight games this year and made some good progress.

671
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: But you know, I think that there is Texas Tech

672
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: has never been to a big tal championship game. They

673
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: have they have not won an outright conference championship at

674
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: their school since Mateen fifty five. So I mean there

675
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: is a lot of hunger for like we got to

676
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: put this together. There's a lot of belief in Joey McGuire,

677
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: but they it's time to like take that next step.

678
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: And so you know, Cody Campbell, they're they're a billionaire

679
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: guy that runs their collective. Their big donor looked at

680
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: this and that there's an opportunity with the rev share coming,

681
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: you know, starting in July, where from July on there's

682
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: a cap and there where this is going to be

683
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: tracked and there's gonna be you know, more county in

684
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: this stuff. Right, So let's go make a big spend

685
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: for the spring and do front loaded deals so that

686
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: we can kind of outspend our competition and and get

687
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: these guys in on on deals that pay you pretty

688
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: pretty real money from now through June. And they went

689
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: out and they built their border who they wanted, and

690
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: they went out and got like the top guy on

691
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: their board, like kind of across the board. I mean,

692
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: they got Howard Sampson from North Carolina, who people view

693
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: as like a potential early round pick at tackle. They

694
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: really rebuilt their offensive line. Reggie Virgil from Miami Ohio,

695
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: Quentin Joiner the running back from USC one of the

696
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: best tight ends in the country, Turns Carter from Louisiana,

697
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: Leehunter the defense tackle from UCF. Like, these are not

698
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: household names. These are not you know, all Americans, uh,

699
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: but these are guys that have real NFL potential and

700
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: can be all Big twelve caliber players. And they're able

701
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: to go out and get old. And so you know,

702
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: they spent more than ten million dollars on their portal

703
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 3: class and I have a story on this cost coming

704
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: out on Friday. It's a lot of money. So in

705
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: this day and age, that's still a lot of money,

706
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: and it's a real all inch of that they believe,

707
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 3: you know, they think they've got the most talented roster

708
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve now and that they should be

709
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: in the playoff next year. So you're certainly setting extremely

710
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: high expectations in Lubbock that this team's going to be

711
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 3: a real factor.

712
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: There are a few different types of players that enter

713
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: the portal that will get fans excited. You've got your

714
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: proven guys who have produced and developed and, as you mentioned,

715
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: have NFL potential. There are guys who were former blue

716
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: chip recruits who for whatever reason didn't mesh with the team.

717
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: But you can still right or wrong talk yourself into

718
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 2: the potential because like, hey, they were so highly thought

719
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: of coming out of high school and maybe they just

720
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: got buried on a depth chart at this big place.

721
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: Sometimes there are guys who are just sort of toolsy

722
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: and measurables, guys that like, oh, he's huge, he's going

723
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: to be an anchor on our defensive line, but like

724
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: hasn't done anything, hasn't produced anything, and hasn't been like

725
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: a true game changer. And then there's the small school

726
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: guys who are like, look at all this production at Youngstown, State,

727
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: at Rhode Island or whatever. They you know, caught two

728
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: thousand yards worth of passes last year, but it was

729
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: against whatever.

730
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: The CIA.

731
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: Who has a class this year that is the most

732
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: in terms of rock solid, Like these are dudes who

733
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: have proven themselves, have produced, and like this team is

734
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: getting like proven quality more so than other classes at

735
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: or near the top.

736
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the one that stands out like so,

737
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: like we did, we did a ranking of the top

738
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: seventy five players in the transportal during the cycle. LSU

739
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: has got a lot of guys that are high on

740
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: that list. I think LSU did a really impressive job.

741
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: And you know, a year ago, you know, they brought

742
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: in Austin Thomas and they they kind of rebuilt their

743
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: recruiting staff a little bit, but they that that was

744
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: they did not in replacing Jane Daniels and Lick Neighbors

745
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: and Brent Thomas, all the guys of Oustitay. I thought

746
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: they didn't really make a big shove in terms of

747
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: of of portal pickups they did this year. I think

748
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 3: that I think that they knew if Derek Nessmuyer coming back,

749
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: Harold Perkin's coming back, you know, and and obviously just

750
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: a season that was not up to their standards for sure,

751
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: and you could see the frustration from Brian Kelly throughout

752
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: the year that they they were going to to go

753
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: all in with this uh this cycle. So you know,

754
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: some really impressive wins. I think Barrion Brown and and

755
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: Nick Anderson at wide receiver two of the best out there.

756
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: I think obviously Baron Brown, we've seen these one of

757
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: the fast receivers in the country and a true all

758
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: purpose playmaker. You know, Nick Anderson missed miss time, missed

759
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: the season with injury basically, but but as one of

760
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: the freakier wide receivers out there. I think they did

761
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: a really good job on the offensive line. I think

762
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: they did a really good job at dB and they

763
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: added a lot to the deal on it too. And

764
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: so like it's hard to like Texas Tech did a

765
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: really press the job. I think you could definitely still

766
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: make a pretty sorry argument els you had the number

767
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: one portal class just in terms of like these were

768
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: proven players that they were competing with a lot of

769
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: other people for and there's there's star players, and there's

770
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 3: also depth to it too. So like I think that's

771
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: the one. I'm not saying that automatically, you know, catapults

772
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: LSU into their playoff team, but that's certainly their ambition.

773
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: Are there any schools that you take and say, like, Okay,

774
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: this is a lesson in how to do the portal

775
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: over these last couple of years, and this is a

776
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 2: lesson in how to not do the portal, that team's

777
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: built in a way that actually haven't helped that team's roster,

778
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: and that team's like the next one two three years

779
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: of the program and teams where they're just like, oh,

780
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: they figured out where to spend money, they figured out

781
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: the types of players they wanted, and the results have

782
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: been there. Who are like your your role models and

783
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: your cautionary tales in terms of portal activity.

784
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: Well, I mean when everyone's just you know, you talk

785
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 3: to they just point to Florida State is the cautionary

786
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: tale now, which is crazy because a year ago you

787
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: would say the King. I mean, who's who's done it

788
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: better than Mike Norvel in terms of the player, you know,

789
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: the Jared Versus of the world that they were able

790
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: to go find and develop, and Kean Coleman and just

791
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 3: all the NFL studs that they had. But I think

792
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: what what they went through last year. You know, if

793
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 3: you if you if you need all those guys to

794
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: hit and they don't, then you're kind of like you're

795
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: kind of shot out of luck. I mean, that's just

796
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: kind of how it is nowadays because you kind of

797
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: if you go heavy on portal every year, your backups

798
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: are going to transfer out and then whoever's left is like, Okay,

799
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: are they good enough to like maintain us playing at

800
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: an ACC contender level? In that case, last year it

801
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: wasn't obviously you miss a quarterback and that that that

802
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: makes it so much tougher. But I think that that

803
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: was kind of a challenge across the board. There weren't

804
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: a lot of spots at Forest State where you'd say

805
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 3: they're they're playing at a you know, all ACC level.

806
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: So that's the casting of tail. But I think they

807
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: did a good job again this year in terms of

808
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: who they you know, what they're bringing in and again

809
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: we'll see a quarterback if Thomas Castlanas can be everything

810
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: they helped. But solid job in terms of you had

811
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: to you had to go back to the portal and

812
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: replace these guys that you just kind of get on

813
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: that that hamster wheel of like we have to do

814
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: this again next year. I think in terms of like

815
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: the ones that really impress you, Arizona State is one

816
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: that just nobody talked about when they were getting the

817
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 3: guys and then two years later you're like, whoa they

818
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: the batting average on on whaton what? Kenny Dillingham and

819
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: his staff did going into their first year, where like

820
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: we talked to Kenny Dillingham about what that was like.

821
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: It's like we had to recruit a huge portal class

822
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: just to feel the team for twenty twenty three because

823
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: they and then as you go through the season and

824
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: you get decimated by injuries, like you have no chance

825
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: of contending. But certainly nobody was talking about out Cam

826
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 3: Skataboo when he went in the portal coming out of

827
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: Sacramento State, and I'm sure there's a ton of teams

828
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: that would throw away more money at him now and

829
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 3: knowing what they know now, but they were able to recruit.

830
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: You know, you looked at the editor at the time

831
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 3: and say, Okay, they're just taking like a lot of

832
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: depth guys and maybe there's not a bunch of star

833
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: stars coming in here, but they knew like, we're going

834
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: to take guys that have multiple years of eligibility and

835
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: we're going to develop them and we're going to set

836
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: a culture with them. And just the number of guys

837
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: that they brought in via the portal who were starting

838
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 3: for them during that playoff run is crazy. And then

839
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: again a year ago, Sam Levitt was not on the

840
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: radar of like, here's one of the top twenty quarterbacks

841
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: who were in the Portal, right, I mean he didn't

842
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 3: have that much tape coming out of his one year

843
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: in Michigan State and being kind of in a three

844
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 3: man situation there, and I didn't know. It's still there's

845
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: a huge piece of this that is still relationships and

846
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: evaluation and having information that other people don't have. So

847
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: I think that that you have to look at Arizona

848
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: State and artily Kiddy Gillingham learned a lot from Mike

849
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: Thorvel in terms of how to recruit the Portal, but

850
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: they certainly, you know, struck gold in terms of the

851
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: way they approach it. As a team that did not have,

852
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: you know, millions and millions of dollars to invest, they

853
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: were able to kind of moneyball it. And you have

854
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: to dip your cap on it to that A.

855
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: Position group that doesn't get I think a ton of attention,

856
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: and I think it's because you don't see a lot

857
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: of star power from this position group enter the Portal

858
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: is offensive line that teams, it seems from the outside,

859
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: can solidify a position. They can find a left guard

860
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: who is competent because there's a glaring hole there or something.

861
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: But in terms of star power in the sport, you

862
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: don't see huge left tackles, huge centers all that often.

863
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: It happens, but not super often. What is behind that?

864
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: And is this a position group that is like secretly

865
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: demanding more money because of the scarcity of potential star power?

866
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: It about the offensive line that it seems that like

867
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 2: you can't drastically improve in the way that you can

868
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: at receiver, at defensive line in the secondary, what is

869
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: it about the you know, what do we call them

870
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: the hog Molly's up front? What is it about that group?

871
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 3: I think in a lot of cases, when you're recruiting

872
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: offensive lineman, you're just looking for solid like that. You know,

873
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: let's we want experience. Can we can we get a

874
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: guy that started twenty to thirty games whose size is

875
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: good enough? Maybe, especially if you're like, you know, trying

876
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: to get a guy to go from G five to

877
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: P four, like you're just hoping for good enough. I

878
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: think that's that's usually the case, and certainly from a

879
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: retention standpoint, those guys are worth a lot. When you

880
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: do have like a high potential offensive tackle hit the market,

881
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: those guys are worth a million dollars in the view

882
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: of GMS now. And I'm not saying that there's a

883
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: ton offensive linement out there that there me making that

884
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: kind of money, but the few that do hit the market,

885
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: I mean, the demand is crazy and you've got to

886
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 3: kind of you get your pick of school basically, and

887
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: so you know, I think one thing that you also

888
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: see now is like, and I think offensive line is

889
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: just a tough position to evaluate out of high school

890
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: to patiently develop, and I think there's maybe just not

891
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: a ton of patients anymore for that. You want to

892
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: just go get a guy that you know, hey, we

893
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: know he can play. Here's tape of him playing against

894
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: college guys. We love what he put on tape against

895
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: a good opponent, and so that that, you know, if

896
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 3: you've got size and a pulse and you've got you know,

897
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: a bunch of pff tape, then you know, jackpot. But

898
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: you know, I think that like it's just kind of

899
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: hard to go find a guy that's special. And I

900
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: think that where this is really kind of the personnel

901
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: departments that like want to compete at the highest level

902
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: for portal guys. What they're looking at are Okay, who

903
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: are the guys that would be like a sixth or

904
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: seventh rounder if they went pro, but they're going to

905
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: come back to college for another year. Like those those

906
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: guys are like what everybody is looking for. And you

907
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: might say, like, well that that didn't sound like very ambitious.

908
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 3: What don't you want like, you know, first round guys,

909
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: But like those guys just don't become available, so you're

910
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: you were looking for experience and some validation that the NFL,

911
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: like would draft this guy if a player kind of

912
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: checks those boxes. Yeah, they're worth a ton of money.

913
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: Is anybody talking about return on investment? You know, not

914
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: to get all business y with this, but Ohio State

915
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: spent twenty million dollars on a portal roster or just

916
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: a roster in general. Now it wasn't a portal roster,

917
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: it was just in general, right, Yeah, certainly portal included

918
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: in that. But want a national championship, right, some would argue,

919
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: Some have argued that that's a deal. Some of these

920
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: dollar figures that you're throwing around, Max, it's a lot

921
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: of money for places that typically we haven't talked about

922
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: them spending Texas Tech spending however, much to compile their roster.

923
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: What is like the value proposition for some of these places.

924
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: Is there a goal of simply reaching the playoff winning

925
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 1: a championship to validate the spend. How do they view

926
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: this whole endeavor in terms of yes, it was worth it,

927
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: No it wasn't.

928
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever crossed their mind. No, it's

929
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: a great question. I mean it really is, because, especially

930
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: like as you as this just drips further and further

931
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: into free agency and the price goes up. At some

932
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: point you have to be like, Okay, well we want

933
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: a defensive lineman, but here's how much we're willing to pay.

934
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: And and some you know, I think you saw, like

935
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: last spring there was a run on defensive tackles because

936
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: there was just a ton of teams that needed one.

937
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: And obviously, like as Dan can test like a Derek

938
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: Harmon worth a lot if you can get them. You know,

939
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: some of those guys made a massive potentially yeah yeahred percent,

940
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: and and those guys are like, you know, worth a lot.

941
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: But there's there's also some teams that like, well, yeah,

942
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: we need a defensive tackle, but like I'm not trying

943
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: to pay that kind of money, Like that's that's crazy

944
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 3: we can get by. I think that there's like, over

945
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: over time, like there's there's going to be more and

946
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: more people that get burned who just say like, Okay,

947
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: well that was regrettable. Maybe we'll maybe we'll rethink that

948
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: next time. But I think that once you get into

949
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: December and all these guys are out there for the taking,

950
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: it kind of just becomes like a competitive thing of

951
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 3: just like, Okay, well I want him, and I don't

952
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: want my team that I played in our conference to

953
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: have him, So let's get it done. And you know,

954
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: hopefully that works out or hopefully the guys behind them

955
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: compete with them and get a lot better. Now, there's

956
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: there's absolutely going to be cases where, wow, we spent

957
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: a ton of money on this guy, but then our.

958
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: Retro freshman tackle was turned out.

959
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: To be really good, and then we didn't really need

960
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: this guy, and that was like kind of a huge

961
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: waste of money. And you could say from in some

962
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: ways you say like, Okay, well that's better depth I

963
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: guess that's a good development, but yeah, there's gonna be

964
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: a ton of wasted money. And I think now that

965
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: we shift from this being on the books of the

966
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: collective and of you know, donors, you know, contributing to this.

967
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: And I think obviously we reached a point where there

968
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: was a lot of strain for them of just like,

969
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: this is a lot of money I'm having to spend

970
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 3: in addition to all the other money I'm dealing with

971
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: the school when you kind of shift that over to

972
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: the school. And if we actually are like getting into

973
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: a world where you know, deals over six hundred dollars

974
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: have to be reported and there's like potentially more transparency

975
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 3: of this stuff, I think you're going to find there's

976
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: a lot of overspending going on on players who you know,

977
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: did they actually start twelve games three this year or

978
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: did they not you know, not really play at the

979
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: level that you thought they would just based off the

980
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 3: tape you watch. I think that's still a guessing game

981
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: and a very expensive word from Afar.

982
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: This is screaming for some kind of salary cap or

983
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: screaming for some sort of regulation that can keep this

984
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: thing in check. You talk to personnel people all the

985
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: time acts what what is it that they want this

986
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: portal to turn into, to maybe put some additional guardrails

987
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: up around it, or do they not want that some

988
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: places might not want that at all.

989
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: I think right now everybody is just sort of trying

990
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: to keep up day to day with I mean like

991
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 3: in the middle of this portal cycle, all of a sudden,

992
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: Diego Pavia gets his injunction and now you just like

993
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: drop all these extra Juco players into the market. It's

994
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 3: sort of like everyone's just sort of trying to keep

995
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 3: up with the day to day of like will this

996
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: settlement be approved and we'll be we be ready for July.

997
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: And it's like there's just so much on these guys

998
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: plate that and there's I think there's obviously so much

999
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: frustration about you know, in action from the NCBLA or

1000
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: the slow pace of you know, evolution, that you kind

1001
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: of don't really spend as much time sitting around concocting

1002
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: solutions to all this stuff. It's just sort of trying

1003
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: to trying to survive and thrive. And so yeah, I

1004
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: think that right now everybody is like just would like

1005
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: to have more money. It's not that it's like fair,

1006
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: it's not that we want to we don't really know

1007
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: how to limit this stuff. And then also like when

1008
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: you say, you know, the school is going to have

1009
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: a cap of twenty point five million. I mean, people

1010
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: look at that stuff and say, Okay, well that'll get

1011
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: challenged into court and we're gonna probably strike that down

1012
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: right or raise that or whatever. And so I think

1013
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: that it's hard to it's hard to say like, Okay,

1014
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: I definitely know how this is going to go next year,

1015
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: because it's just it's just constantly changing and the fact

1016
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: that you know, somebody can follow a lawsuit and then

1017
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: that undows that rule like that, you know, and then

1018
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: obviously you know that there's down the road we're gonna

1019
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: have to have the conversation about collective bargaining and all

1020
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 3: those things. Like I think in a lot of ways,

1021
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: coaches probably would like to live in a world where

1022
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 3: it is more like the NFL, where it is structure,

1023
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: it is contracts for multiple years and players are required

1024
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: to play that out and stuff like that. But we're

1025
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 3: all just sort of living in the interim period of

1026
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: we don't know how to set that up.

1027
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: We're a couple of weeks out from Valentine's Day, and

1028
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: obviously we know it's not just about finding the best

1029
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: it's about finding the best match. And so I want,

1030
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: I'm a romantic tie, what can I say, of course,

1031
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: I want you to know because we've seen great matches,

1032
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: like the portal has been great for entertainment in a

1033
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: number of instances where like, this player fits this kind

1034
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: of system, ended up at this school. It's Michael Penni's

1035
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: at Washington, It's Caleb Downs at Ohio State. Right, it's

1036
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: star power entering the portal finding the place that fits

1037
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: them really well in this year's class. And it doesn't

1038
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: have to be like the top guys, but in terms

1039
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: of guys who have transferred, who stands out as like

1040
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: this player is this kind of player. He's going to

1041
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: play for this coordinator or this head coach, And it

1042
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: just seems so obvious that this is going to work.

1043
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: On January twenty ninth, as we record this, who are

1044
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: those matches where you're just like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

1045
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: Well, I can I just guess you up here real quick? Dan? Sure?

1046
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: Please?

1047
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: I love what Orgon did in the Portal. Oh here

1048
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: we go.

1049
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm gonna really so can we stop the recording?

1050
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: I didn't even ask for team A player, but if

1051
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 2: you want to go the whole Orgon class by all.

1052
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: Every single player, I'll break out of no, Yeah, I

1053
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: think that there's still something to be said for quality

1054
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: over quantity with this stuff because they're just you know,

1055
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: there's so many teams out there that, man, we got

1056
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: to take twenty this year, we gotta take twenty five.

1057
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 3: We just lost twenty five guys off our to the portal,

1058
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: so we've got to take a lot. Orgon did not

1059
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: need to take a lot, but they took McKay Hughes

1060
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 3: from Tulane, which is crazy. And I you know, certainly

1061
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: when you look at the guys that I think he

1062
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 3: was ninth or tenth in the in the country and

1063
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 3: rushing and all the all the guys ahead of him

1064
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 3: are going to the draft, so a real real case

1065
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: to be made that he's the best returning running back

1066
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: in the country or one of the best. And and

1067
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 3: that just had adding that asset, uh for for Organ's

1068
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: backfield is a big deal. And I and I love

1069
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: what they picked up in in Dylan Pieinman too. It's

1070
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: it's safety from Purdue. And I got some grief from

1071
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: some personnel people who are like, you got that safety

1072
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 3: from Purdue ranked a little bit too high. It's like,

1073
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but he's extremely productive He's a playmaker.

1074
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 3: He he just he you know, was was the best

1075
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: freshman in the Big Ten last year produe, probably the

1076
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 3: best freshman defensive freshman in the country, and just a

1077
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: really talented player who I think will make them a

1078
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: lot better in terms of I'm gonna go down the

1079
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: list here a little bit like plays. I think I'm

1080
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 3: excited to see what Zachara Abranch can do a Georgia.

1081
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: I think that that's a situation where they need the help.

1082
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: I mean, a wide receiver. Was just a huge glaring

1083
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: meed for going into this portal cycle, and you knew

1084
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: they were gonna kind of recruit all these guys. And

1085
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: I don't know why Zacharai Branch didn't have like a

1086
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: crazy productive software year at USC, But that's just one

1087
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: of those guys where it's like, Okay, you're going to

1088
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: your junior year, they're gonna get you the ball of tons.

1089
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: I would just just as you saw kind of with

1090
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 3: etn and making his movie Georgia, It's like, I think

1091
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: that's the guy that's like probably gonna be ready to

1092
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: play his best football and have like a very high

1093
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: usage role. I think you all again not not a

1094
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: household name Indiana just continues to to kill it when

1095
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: it comes to recruiting the portal. And you could say

1096
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 3: a year ago, oh, well, they had all those James

1097
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: Madison guys, so like that's easy and they probably got

1098
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: those guys for cheap and all that. But like, I

1099
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: think what Kurtz Signetti his staff did again this year

1100
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: was really impressive and and to to you know, leverage

1101
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: the momentum and the playoff appearance and all that. And

1102
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 3: I think Forananda Mendoza is going to have a really

1103
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: big year there. And I know that for those of

1104
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 3: us who are like you know that no ball, You've

1105
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: you've watched Nanda Mendoza cal you know that guy can

1106
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 3: do some things. You watch the Miami game or you

1107
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 3: watch the Sameford game this year and you saw him

1108
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: play at a super high level or beat Auburn. But

1109
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see him like get a little bit

1110
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: bigger platform. I think that's a really talented player and

1111
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: leader who can who can really put it together this year.

1112
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: Just as you know, again we weren't talking about Curtis

1113
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: work a year ago, but one of the most impactful

1114
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: transfers in the country. Let's see there's a lot there

1115
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: was a lot of wide receiver movement in this cycle,

1116
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 3: and I think those guys cashed in. I think that

1117
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: another one that again not the biggest name. I'm really

1118
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: interested to see what Eric Singleton does at Auburn. And

1119
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: obviously you've got Kim Coln coming back, one of the

1120
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 3: best young guys in the country, and they they made

1121
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: their big move to get Jackson Old. This is a

1122
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 3: big portal class for Auburn. They they really need to

1123
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: hit on this group and be a contender in the

1124
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: SEC this year for ke Freeze. But I think Eric

1125
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: Simpleton is a guy that I had him riked this

1126
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: the number one wide receiver because you talk to personnel people,

1127
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 3: they've they view him as not the most like well

1128
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: known name from his time at Georgia Tech, but a

1129
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: guy that has, you know, one of the fastest players

1130
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: in the country, a true like true track athlete who's

1131
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: a chance to be a first round type of player

1132
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: if he can really put it all together this year.

1133
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: So excited to see what he can do. Yeah, we could,

1134
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 3: we could. I could probably go down on this list

1135
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: for hours, but well let's go.

1136
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we can go the other direction. Though with

1137
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: it not a negative direction, but like, are there players

1138
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: that and aside from all of them that personnel people

1139
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: or coaches are like, look, this guy didn't get a

1140
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: ton of attention. This guy didn't play a ton of snaps.

1141
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: But from what we saw, we're kind of giddy that

1142
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: we got him for the price that we did. Like

1143
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: we can't believe that, we can't believe, but like we

1144
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 2: are extraordinarily thankful that we were able to get this

1145
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: kind of under the radar guy, that they weren't just

1146
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: feeling a roster hole that like maybe that coach recruited

1147
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: that player, maybe you know there was some connection, but like,

1148
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 2: are there any players where like you've heard specifically, We're

1149
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: just like he's not a big name at all, but

1150
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: we can't wait to get him in pads.

1151
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: There's a ton of guys making the move. I mean,

1152
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: there's there wass a. It's a record setting year in

1153
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: terms of G five players move up to P four.

1154
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: It's more than three hundred and twenty of those guys

1155
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: are transferring up and so I'm excited to see like

1156
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: and then of course when they hit the portal, you know,

1157
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: everybody acts like you know they're they're the greatest thing

1158
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: ever because.

1159
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: Right, and they're just they're just they're all Khalil Mack. Right,

1160
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: they're all like the G five star who's just ready

1161
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: to explode.

1162
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Always, But I think there's a lot out there

1163
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: that that that people are are pretty excited about. I

1164
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 3: think a Mott Hardy running back from Louisium mon Roe.

1165
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: He's going to Missouri. He was a freshman All American

1166
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: this year. And you know, sometimes you get those guys

1167
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: and it's just like, Yep, he shouldn't be playing at

1168
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 3: this level. The guy's really good and he's moving up.

1169
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 3: I think he'll have a chance to be really productive.

1170
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: Chase so Well, the wide receiver from ECU, He's going

1171
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: to Iowa State, and obviously they're replacing their top two guys.

1172
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: I think that's it. Like a pretty sneaky one ethan

1173
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: one On, Like I should mention Ohio State. Like Ohio State,

1174
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: while they were busy going out and winning a national championship,

1175
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 3: also got some of the best guys out there and

1176
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 3: and there you know, there weren't a lot of qush

1177
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: On Judkins Caleb Downs available in the cycle, but they

1178
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: went out and got some of the best of their position.

1179
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: I think Ethan Oneona from from Rice is an offensive

1180
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 3: lineman who comes in and fills a big need for

1181
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 3: Ohio State. Obviously, they got hit hard by injuries this

1182
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 3: year and and and had to move guys around a bunch,

1183
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 3: and I think that one is going to work out

1184
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 3: for them. Zeck Poyser from Jacksonville State is going to Miami.

1185
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: I think that's a really good young TB. I think

1186
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: you saw just a big run on Washington State players

1187
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: going to the portal, and I think just obviously those

1188
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: guys aren't really G five players, but but then moving

1189
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: on and then obviously Jake Dicker moving on to Wake Forest,

1190
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: Like those guys are kind of spread out all over

1191
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: the country. It's funny, that's just how it goes. Like

1192
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: Washington State and Purdue, like all their players become available

1193
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: and it's like these guys are incredible. It's like, okay, well,

1194
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 3: I mean Purdue is pretty bad last year, but some

1195
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: good pieces, you know, some good pieces that are that

1196
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: are worth more. I think that's just kind of like

1197
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: how the market goes. I think we're all excited to

1198
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: see I'm sure you guys are buzzing about this too.

1199
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: Mark Gronowski at Iowa. I mean, yeah, come on, South

1200
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: Dakota State legend making them move up for his final

1201
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: season of eligibility, has won multiple national championships at the

1202
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: SCS level. It's it's a it's certainly an exciting time

1203
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: if you're if you're looking for good quarterback play at Iowa.

1204
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: I got two left for you, Max, and then we'll

1205
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: wrap again. Max Olsen from ESPN, I want to circle

1206
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: back to something you said earlier. We were talking about

1207
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: almost this disparity between the power conferences and the money

1208
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: they're spending versus the G five and those teams and

1209
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: what they have at their disposal. Is there a G

1210
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: five team in particular that you think is handling circumstances

1211
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: better than their peers given that disparity.

1212
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 3: Oh that's a really good question. Yeah, I think so

1213
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: much of it is, like and you know, they all

1214
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: they all deal with like Higatrician or the threat of hiattriction, right,

1215
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: and they all in turn then have to go to

1216
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: recruit the portal a ton and there's just really a

1217
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: food chain to it of like all right, well let's

1218
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: go get some some guys that are bouncing back from

1219
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 3: power for schools. Let's go with guys that are that

1220
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: are moving up from fcs, you know that, let's just

1221
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: sort of try to string together good evaluations here. And

1222
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: obviously these guys are coming in cheap. It's not really

1223
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 3: about hey, we can give you this much money. I

1224
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: think that there are there are definitely some AAC schools

1225
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: that have some money. I think they're certainly you've seen that,

1226
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: like Memphis is the NBA of a lot of these schools,

1227
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: and just in terms of their their ability to spend.

1228
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: You know, one that like is always interesting to watch

1229
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 3: every year is North Texas just always loses their guys. Yeah,

1230
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: and then they just go replace them and then the

1231
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: next guys are really good too. I think Eric Morris

1232
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: has done a really good job of that of just

1233
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: like you know, it's it's tough. Like I talked to

1234
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: him in the middle of the season about Chandler Morris

1235
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: and kind of the resurgence that that he was having

1236
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 3: after you know, Bumpy run in Oklahoma and TCU and

1237
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 3: just kind of finally put it together. And and when

1238
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: I talked to him, I talked to a GM before

1239
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: I talked to him, who was like, oh, yeah, I

1240
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 3: heard somebody who was already offering Chandler Morris like five

1241
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars, like, oh man. So just like in October,

1242
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 3: it's like already, all right, we did it, see you,

1243
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: you know, and uh, Chandler Morris did transfer to Virginia.

1244
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Virginia gave him that kind of money,

1245
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 3: but as soon as you strike gold there, it's like, okay, well,

1246
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 3: we just got to expect this guy's balan. And so

1247
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: North Texas put a lot of guys at Power four

1248
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: schools this offseason, and I would trust that once again

1249
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: he'll go out and replace them and find some guys

1250
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: that are that can, you know, continue to produce. They

1251
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: were i think one of the top five or ten

1252
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 3: scoring offenses in the country this year, and I'm sure

1253
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 3: he'll just plug in the next guy and just loaded that.

1254
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 3: I think that's just kind of how you have That's

1255
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: unfortunately how it goes. It's just like, hey, we love

1256
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: these guys, we can't blame them for taking the money,

1257
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 3: and we're just going to trust our evaluation and our

1258
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: ability to go find the next one.

1259
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 2: It's it's almost like the NFL Draft with the huge

1260
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: teams right, we have this many draft picks. It's G

1261
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: five school saying we had this many transfers up to

1262
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: major schools and made this much money. It's weird, but

1263
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: it's a reality, Neil. Final question from me Max.

1264
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, mindful of the

1265
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: fact that we've got the spring window coming up here,

1266
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: One being let's say Jayden Rashott is in the portal

1267
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: again not very surprising. Ten would be arch Manning is transferring. Okay,

1268
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: this is different. What level of surprise should we expect,

1269
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: if any, from this upcoming window? Are there any surprises

1270
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: bubbling beneath the surface?

1271
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

1272
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: Probably look at deep quarterback rooms. Ty, I think that's

1273
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: the first place to look.

1274
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember I would go on the lower end there,

1275
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 3: And I remember a year ago when you'd kind of

1276
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: preview it sort of like, okay, we'll we'll Michigan go

1277
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: out and get a quarterback. You know, they just kind

1278
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: of move forward with this situation. Is that really the

1279
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 3: best there? You know? Same with Auburn. Is Auburn gonna

1280
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 3: bet a guy or do they like really believe in

1281
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 3: Peyton Thorne that the quarterback market just didn't really materialize?

1282
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's because everybody's kind of set,

1283
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: and then the ones that aren't just sort of are

1284
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: they kind of stubbornly sticking with what they got or yeah,

1285
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 3: like ja were shot of winning the portal, but there weren't,

1286
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: like there really weren't that many big names. I think,

1287
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: you know, Dylan Edwards left Colorado of Case State. That

1288
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: was a good move, Like I said, Derek Harmon and

1289
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 3: the defensive tackles that made moves, those were impactful. But

1290
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Speaker 3: you're not gonna see a lot of court me. I mean,

1291
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: I think people like this time will probably be like, well,

1292
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 3: North Carolina go get a quarterback, right, I don't know

1293
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 3: who that guy would be. They they seem to have,

1294
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: you know, especially with with Jacoby Chrismall moving on going

1295
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: down to the FCS level, Definitely a lot of like

1296
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 3: kind of unclear what that what's going on with their

1297
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: quarterback situation. Max Johnson coming back from the lake injury.

1298
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 3: Bryce Baker the freshman coming in probably will have a

1299
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: chance to play right away. So like you'll see some

1300
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: of those where you're sort of like, are they going

1301
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: to do something? But other than yeah, maybe just kind

1302
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: of teams shoring up those last means. I don't think

1303
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 3: it's going to be crazy. And you know, when you

1304
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 3: talk to some of these gems and we'll see if

1305
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: this is true. I think this wishful take it on

1306
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: their part a little bit. But I do think that

1307
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 3: now that they're setting these deals up and putting this

1308
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: in writing with these guys, you are trying to structure

1309
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 3: it of like, Okay, well after the April portal window closes,

1310
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 3: you will get this amount of money, and that's a

1311
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 3: really good amount of money, So why would you go

1312
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 3: in the portal? You you should stay that and stay

1313
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 3: with us for the season. And so I think people

1314
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: are going to be are are going to be a

1315
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 3: little bit smarter about trying to structure this stuff to

1316
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 3: discourage them we're going to the portal. But obviously last

1317
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 3: year you saw Louisville lost several of their guys that

1318
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: had just showed up back to the portal, including Tyler Barrett,

1319
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: and so there will probably be you know, can Procter

1320
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: going back to Alabama that was a big surprise. I

1321
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: think you'll still kind of see some of those little

1322
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: random stories because anything's possible, and you know, like even

1323
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: the situation with with Oregon's cornerback going back to cal

1324
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 3: after a couple of weeks, like those things can happen.

1325
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's never really totally over. And

1326
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 3: you know, if if you have a need, you're gonna

1327
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 3: again reach out and find out what it takes you

1328
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 3: get the guy that makes you better. So I would

1329
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: put the number it like more of a three or four,

1330
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: but you never know.

1331
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: So basically you're saying the spring is the scene in

1332
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: Dumb and Dumber. So you're saying there's a chance that's

1333
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: essentially what March seventeenth is in every single.

1334
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: I don't think Arch Manning and Djay Lenora sellers and

1335
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: all those guys are trades ro and but yeah, I

1336
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 3: you can't know, you can't say with any certainty that

1337
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: everyone is content where they are. And you know, I

1338
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 3: think that's again that's a frustration of these coaches of like, man,

1339
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 3: I just I'd love to know who's on our team

1340
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 3: next year. Can we get to a point where, like,

1341
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: you know, can we make this easier on Phil Steele

1342
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 3: and just kind of walk this in here.

1343
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: Poor Phil Steel he needs to go digital probably at

1344
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: this point, because yeah, that is I mean if you're

1345
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: talking about the big sufferers of the portal. One, it's

1346
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: people who grow attached to good players on their teams,

1347
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: especially if they root for G five or lower four teams.

1348
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: And two it's people in print media producing things just

1349
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: try and sell all summer in the spring. So good

1350
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 2: point there, Max Olsen, ESPN. You've got a Texas Tech

1351
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: feature about their portal activity coming out as we speak

1352
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: later in the week. Yep, ESPN dot com. Max, thank

1353
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: you very much for all of your time and hope

1354
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 2: to have you back soon.

1355
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 3: Thika as always a pleasure.

1356
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: Appreciate it all right, Dan, That is Max Olsen from ESPN.

1357
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: Please go and check out Max. Go and read his article.

1358
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: As he said, dropping later in the week, talking about

1359
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: all things Texas Tech and how they're building their roster.

1360
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: As he was talking through all of these machinations of

1361
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: the portal, I kept hearkening back to my very first

1362
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: fantasy football league. Okay, my very first fantasy football league.

1363
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: My friend CURTI set it up. We had no idea

1364
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: what the scoring should be or could be, how we

1365
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: would track it, and we changed it week to week

1366
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: to the point where I think we got about five

1367
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: weeks in and the ultimate players on every roster were kickers.

1368
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: Everybody had like five kickers on their roster. Jason Elam

1369
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: was on Monster back in the day. Yeah, and I

1370
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 1: thought of that because it really does feel like we're

1371
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: just making this whole thing up as we go along

1372
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: with this with the transfer port of course, and that

1373
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: definitely brings an element of intrigue. It's also very unsettling

1374
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: that this is now kind of the bedrock for the

1375
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: sport outside of the high school recruiting game, which is

1376
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: probably less meaningful than it used to be. But this

1377
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: year transfer portal and the ability to spend money and

1378
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: bring guys in and constantly be recruiting other rosters as

1379
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: well as your own. This is the game now. And

1380
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: it's like you could see Max was shrugging with a

1381
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: lot of the questions we asked him because he doesn't

1382
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: know either, and he covers this thing every day. It's

1383
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: incredible to me.

1384
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: I had the question in there about perfect matches that

1385
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: were ahead of Valentine's Day, and it's not just about

1386
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: being the best, it's about being the best match like

1387
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: that this team runs this system and like, oh, of

1388
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: course this is a true nose tackle. This is what

1389
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: they need to run this three four or whatever. You

1390
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: never dated online, right?

1391
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 3: I did?

1392
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: Not?

1393
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: I did, And it's quite the experience. And I'm sure

1394
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: most of the people listening to this show at this point,

1395
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: if they've been single relatively recently, have done. So there's

1396
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: a lot of overlap between like Okay, well this person

1397
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 2: seems super attractive, but I'm not sure like they're super

1398
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: into that in their description, like maybe I could get

1399
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 2: into that, like there is like there is that talking

1400
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: yourself into like wow, it didn't work out at Eastern Michigan,

1401
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: but I mean they run a four to three laser,

1402
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 2: so I think I could see this working out for

1403
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 2: us at Corner. And I just keep thinking about the

1404
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: like the swipeization of everything, and there is that in

1405
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: the portal a little bit.

1406
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh, there is there is. It's kind of fascinating, absolutely,

1407
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: and it does, I think support this conversation today supports

1408
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of what you got into with Bruce

1409
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: on the last episode, which was the value of information.

1410
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,520
Speaker 1: Information is everything. Max talked about it with Kenny Dillingham

1411
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: and by Hooker by Crook. They had really good insight

1412
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: into Camp Scataboo. They had really good insight into sam Levitt.

1413
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: These are players who clearly had an immediate impact on

1414
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: that program. Sam Levitt will continue to have an impact

1415
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: on that pro program moving forward. You hear stories often

1416
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: about teams overvaluing certain players, maybe not having all the information,

1417
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: maybe only seeing them a bit on tape before committing

1418
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: to them. And then you hear stories about like the

1419
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: one we just heard with Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State,

1420
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: where it's clear they've got a good scouting department, they've

1421
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: got insider information to some extent to know who to

1422
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: go after. That is something I suspect we're going to

1423
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: have to hear more about moving forward. As every Power program,

1424
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: every G five program builds out its front office. This

1425
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: is where we're at now. You're going to have to

1426
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: have these guys that are working the streets and you know,

1427
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: trench coats getting the Manila envelopes in dark corners, deep

1428
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: aalleys finding out inside information on some of these guys

1429
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: that they want to go after next. Because I this

1430
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: is the game now. As I said at the top,

1431
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: this is the game.

1432
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: Slug Worth is the Charlie and the Chocolate Factor.

1433
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: Slugworth.

1434
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: Okay, to make sure that the heir to the Willy

1435
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: Wonka fortune in factory has a pure heart slug Worth.

1436
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: Here's something else from the portal that I I've just

1437
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: noticed and I think is interesting and actually like kind

1438
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: of admirable as we know. And this is sort of

1439
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 2: in light of the Ryan Day stuff with his family

1440
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,799
Speaker 2: and being harassed and stocked and hiring security and everything

1441
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: that fans, especially on social media, are prone and sit

1442
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 2: down for this tie to acting perhaps irrationally and unfortionally

1443
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: about their sports. What right that?

1444
01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:59,640
Speaker 3: Like?

1445
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 2: How could this guy transfer?

1446
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 3: Like?

1447
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 2: Is there no loyalty these days?

1448
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1449
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 2: I one, I get and relate to all of it.

1450
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not putting down that fan at all,

1451
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 2: because that's a really unfortunate part of the sport. But

1452
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: the Portal era and you got to pay attention on

1453
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: social media. You gotta pay attention if you're on message

1454
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: boards or wherever people congregate to talk about this sport.

1455
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 2: There is a new kind of fan that I've noticed

1456
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 2: popping up, and it's the most arguably the most admirable

1457
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 2: sports fan on Earth. And I'm going to tell you

1458
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 2: who that fan is.

1459
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: Can I guess?

1460
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 3: Please?

1461
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: Is it the fan of a team whose player is leaving,

1462
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: but they are grateful that the player was on the

1463
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: team and they just want to tweet them and wish

1464
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: them well.

1465
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: Almost, okay, almost, it's the fan. Let's say it's a

1466
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: Texas fans. It's generally a fan of a team that

1467
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: recruits really well and is pretty deep. Let's say it's

1468
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: a Texas fan, a Florida fan who at Clemson fan,

1469
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 2: an Alabama fan where a backup corner who couldn't quite

1470
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: see the field after a couple of years, wasn't a

1471
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: rotation guy. Maybe was a five star but for whatever

1472
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: reason didn't make his way into the rotation has decided

1473
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: to enter the portal. And let's say this former five

1474
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: star Alabama corner ends up at you know, TCU at

1475
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State or something like that. And it's the fan

1476
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: that says, you know what, have heard good things and

1477
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot there. Probably wasn't going to

1478
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 2: see the field all that much here, Hope he thrives

1479
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: at the new place, like fly high, young condor oh,

1480
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: spread your wings, like hope it works out. Yeah, that's

1481
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: sort of the like the like, yeah, this relationship isn't

1482
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: where if you love something said it free like the

1483
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: relationships run its course. But I hope she's doing well.

1484
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: I hope she's happy. That's the kind of like the

1485
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: well adjusted portal fan I think is who we should

1486
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 2: all thrive to be. And I've seen that fan, you know,

1487
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 2: lurking on the on the on the dark college football web.

1488
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 2: But I appreciate that those people are out there.

1489
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: If we made a well adjusted portal fan T shirt,

1490
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: would we sell any of them?

1491
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: At least one? And it would be that the order

1492
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: would be coming from inside the.

1493
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: House, and we would wear them on a show. We'd

1494
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: put a patch on a hat. We'd be proud of it.

1495
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: Nobody would buy.

1496
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, I'm if you look closely enough

1497
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame Penn State, who you pay close to

1498
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 2: the most, I know exactly who you're talking about.

1499
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: I've seen that.

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Speaker 2: You're like this former four star It just for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: wasn't happening here. But good size, supposedly a good kid.

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Speaker 2: Hope he catches on somewhere and you know, with added

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01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: playing time, is able to realize his I saw a number.

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Speaker 1: Of Penn Staters doing that exact thing with Bo Prabula.

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Speaker 1: Now The complication was the fact that he left during

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Speaker 1: the playoff and they absolutely could have used him in

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Speaker 1: spots as a change of pace. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: a bigger part of the offense for a backup quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: But that aside. Yes, plenty of Penn Staters bo Brabula

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Speaker 1: grew up in Pennsylvania, wanted to go to Penn State,

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Speaker 1: came to Penn State, had a I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: a winning quarterback at the high school level. People were

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Speaker 1: high on bou Pribuela, but it was clear there was

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Speaker 1: no path to immediate playing time. So people understood it, right,

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Speaker 1: And I've seen countless accounts out there talking about bo

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Speaker 1: brabuel wish him well, wasn't wasn't going to work out

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Speaker 1: in the immediate future for him.

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Speaker 2: Was just a path there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we'll see, I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: come back. You can always come back at some point

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Speaker 1: if you really wants to do after next season. But

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Speaker 1: that fan does exist, rare as they may be.

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Speaker 2: I love that fan. That fan's great as an asset

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Speaker 2: to our community.

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Speaker 1: Tie, I love it. Well. Thank you again to Max

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Speaker 1: Olsen from ESPN for stopping on by imparting some of

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Speaker 1: his wisdom on us with respect to the transfer portal. Again,

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Speaker 1: if you made it this far, hit follow, hit subscribe, alright,

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Speaker 1: listen to us wherever you may be, whatever it is

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Speaker 1: you're doing. Fit us into your workout or to your

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Speaker 1: drive to grandmother's house, whatever it is. We'll be with

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Speaker 1: you this offseason.

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Speaker 2: We'll get your steps in.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you're into, whatever you're into, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Great to listen to while you get your ten K.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely great to have you with us here in this community.

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Speaker 1: We will be back next week talking more things college football.

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Speaker 1: If you do have suggestions for topics that we should

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: unpack a little bit more, you can always hit us

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Speaker 1: up Cliverble at gmail dot com, or or you can

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Speaker 1: go on out to Verballers dot com. We have a

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Speaker 1: ten dollars tier that we are going to use to

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Speaker 1: help guide us topically speaking this offseason. So we'll put

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Speaker 1: that like in terms of like creams and skin like

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Speaker 1: alo stuff, not that topical. No, no, we're not talking

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Speaker 1: about nothing like that. But we do want to rely

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Speaker 1: on our verballer hood to help guide our topic in

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Speaker 1: this offseason. So if you're interested in having a more

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Speaker 1: direct role, you can go out to for bawlers dot

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Speaker 1: com and check that out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's all I got. Dan, I gotta

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: go make some pizza dough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for taking over for me while it

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01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: was absent last episode. It was a bummer that I

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01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: missed that conversation with Bruce, but I enjoyed listening back

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01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: to it as a fan after the fact, I would

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01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: encourage everybody to go and do so as well, because

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01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: Bruce is super smart. One of our favorite guests that

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Speaker 1: we have on.

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Speaker 2: He remembered your mother's maiden name Crazy because it was

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01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 2: on his caller ID when we used to connect via

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01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 2: your illegal phone coupler way back when. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if the Statute of Limitations is up on that title used.

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Speaker 1: It's okay.

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Speaker 2: It was it industrial military technology. It was something that

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Speaker 2: should not have been available to you.

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Speaker 1: It was not no the the book on that was

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Speaker 1: it was. I bought it on eBay for forty five

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Speaker 1: dollars and it came with a disclaimer saying that if

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Speaker 1: you buy this, you can't talk about it because it

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Speaker 1: is not f CC approved, at least not in all states.

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Speaker 1: And whatever it was, I think it wasn't just the

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Speaker 1: is your state a two party state or not, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of its own thing. But it was like

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Speaker 1: the tech being used in this was not street legal,

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Speaker 1: and so you can buy it and I can sell

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Speaker 1: it to you, but you can't talk about it. And

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Speaker 1: now I have, so I've been.

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Speaker 2: Out yea thi bot illegal Chinese technology. On that note, yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you to one and all for downloading, for listening,

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Speaker 2: for supporting with Dan, and I do big thanks to

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Speaker 2: Max Olsen for his generous generous donation of an hour

1583
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 2: plus talking all things Portal on today's episode.

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Speaker 1: We will catch you all next week. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: you know the drill, Stay solid, Peace,