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Speaker 1: Full Circle is an Iheartwoman's sports production in partnership with

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, y'all,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Full Circle. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited because today me and Lexi have a guest.

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Speaker 2: Yes, hello, everybody from Austin, Texas. I am in Austin

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Speaker 2: right now, so I'm really excited about our guests. I

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Speaker 2: always say this about our guests, like that they don't

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Speaker 2: need an introduction, but I'm going to give them the

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Speaker 2: one that they deserve every time. So with us today,

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Speaker 2: we have a duke legend, three time All American, four

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Speaker 2: time ACC Defensive Player of the Year, four time first

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Speaker 2: team All ACC National Freshman of the Year, ACC Rookie

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Speaker 2: of the Year, Elizabeth Williams. Let's clap it up, everybody,

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Speaker 2: let's clap it Welcome and currently playing for the Chicago

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Speaker 2: Sky So welcome. How are you this morning?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I had a clap for myself

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Speaker 3: that intro.

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Speaker 1: We all got a cloud.

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Speaker 3: I'm good though. I live in DC in the off

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Speaker 3: season when I'm not overseas, so I'm just at home. Chilling.

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Speaker 4: It's chilling.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to start this episode off with

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Speaker 2: giving Duke women's basketball their flowers. They just won the

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Speaker 2: ACES championship, so really excited about that. You were there,

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Speaker 2: so give us a little rundown of what the weekend was, Like, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was there.

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Speaker 3: I was planning on being in North Carolina this weekend

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Speaker 3: to see my friend and so Friday came down to

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Speaker 3: the game and I watched and we won, and I

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Speaker 3: was like, I told our Dobo was like, okay, if

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Speaker 3: they went tomorrow because I already had plans for Saturday.

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Speaker 3: It's like, they went on Saturday, I'm coming on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: And so I was watching the game and then they won.

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Speaker 3: I texted her. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm locked

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Speaker 3: in come to the game. So come Sunday. Like there

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Speaker 3: are a lot of state fans in there actually, obviously

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Speaker 3: when it's an in state rivalry for an ACC title,

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Speaker 3: like you're going to see the Red and the Blue.

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Speaker 3: But there are a lot of statements in there, and

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Speaker 3: it was a pretty slow start for Duke, but they

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Speaker 3: just always.

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Speaker 4: Kept They do that a lot. They stressed me out

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Speaker 4: in times.

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Speaker 3: They definitely yeah, but it's like cat time, Like, yes, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a care thing. I feel like I

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Speaker 2: feel like they like lull you to sleep and then

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Speaker 2: they like punch you in the mouth, and I feel

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Speaker 2: like that's how Kara has been coaching them, and they've

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Speaker 2: been really fun to watch and seeing like the re

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Speaker 2: emergence of Duke. You were there right before I got there,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we had a lot of success and

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Speaker 2: then they had a little bit of some down years.

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Speaker 2: So it's really nice to see Kara, you know, turn

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Speaker 2: the program back around. Have you been able to have

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Speaker 2: any conversations with Carr or anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, we've talked a little bit. I try to

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Speaker 3: make it to some games, whether like you know, they

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Speaker 3: played Maryland so I drove up here, or I try

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Speaker 3: to get down to Durham. But either way, You've talked

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Speaker 3: to care a little bit and just what she's trying

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Speaker 3: to build with these players. She started at a tough time,

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Speaker 3: like the COVID years, so she really had to go

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Speaker 3: like starting with some players and going into the portal

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Speaker 3: kind of being creative and how she recruited, but ultimately

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Speaker 3: she's just trying to get them to all buy in

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Speaker 3: and I think them winning yesterday was just them being

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Speaker 3: completely bought into what She's built and just locked into

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Speaker 3: each other for sure.

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Speaker 1: How are you both feeling about the ceiling this year

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Speaker 1: for this team? How far do you think they're going

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Speaker 1: to go?

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Speaker 2: Well, they asked me, who's going to win the championship?

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Speaker 2: I said, Duke and I've met, period, I've meant it.

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Speaker 2: I see a Final Four run for them, depending on

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Speaker 2: their seating and who they match up with. I think

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Speaker 2: the way they defend, they can be any team in

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Speaker 4: So I'd say.

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Speaker 2: National championship is their ceiling. I'm like, very excited for them, period.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much parody this year, and you're

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Speaker 3: seeing so many teams like beat team lose to other teams,

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Speaker 3: and this is the type of women's basketball that we

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Speaker 3: want to see. And so their ability to start defensively

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Speaker 2: And that's a major standup from a Defensive Player of

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Speaker 2: the Year award winner. So how do you see like

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Speaker 2: the college game from like a defensive perspective, how much

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Speaker 2: it's changed because you're a notoriously known for like being

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Speaker 2: a shot blocker, and I feel like this Duke team

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Speaker 2: they don't have a ton of like rint protection, but

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Speaker 2: they have like a lot of like on ball switching,

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Speaker 2: like just a lot of two way players. So do

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Speaker 2: you think that's like a kar thing or do you

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Speaker 2: think that's like just how the game is changing from

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Speaker 2: like your perspective, I mean probably a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit of both. I do think at the guard position,

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Speaker 3: helpful for them. But at the same time, like if

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Speaker 3: they get beat like Toby's in there, the ladies in there, like,

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Speaker 3: there's still gonna be people that are rent protectors and

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Speaker 3: shop blockers. Ultimately, there are such dynamic guards and such

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Speaker 3: skilled guards in the college game. You have to have

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, have you seen that like transfer over to

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Speaker 2: these teams. I asked Charles, like how do you like

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Speaker 2: like the way your game is and the game is changing,

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Speaker 2: Like how have you been able to stay like as

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Speaker 2: the top free agents. And she was just like, I

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Speaker 2: just come in and do what they need me to do,

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Speaker 2: but I don't change my game. Do you have that

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Speaker 3: Think it's similar. I think when coaches know what they're

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Speaker 3: going to get from players, it's very helpful. You don't

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Speaker 3: want unpredictability when you're trying to create a team. So

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Speaker 3: whenever you have people that you know what you're going

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be shooting more threes. Like the game,

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Speaker 3: not going to be afraid to step out a little more.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, like sometimes you want an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, since, like your transition from college into the W

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Speaker 1: what else do you guys feel like have been like

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Speaker 1: the major changes as far as how the game itself

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Speaker 3: I would say one thing that's really evident is the

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Speaker 3: value of your four players. Like you're seeing the value

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Speaker 3: of the fees and the stewies and having a second

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Speaker 3: facilitator in addition to your point guard. I think that's

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Speaker 3: a really big change from having like you're kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that, And we can tie

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Speaker 2: this into your time at Athletes Unlimited because as going

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Speaker 2: into Championship week, I was talking with Crystal Bradford, who

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Speaker 2: to be able to accumulate the most points, you need

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Speaker 2: to draft yourself or draft your team and put you

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Speaker 2: at the four because for some reason, like you said,

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Speaker 2: that position has just become like the pinnacle, elite of

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Speaker 2: then like you get a lot of mismatches. So for me,

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Speaker 2: I'm like mad because I wish I was a little

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Speaker 2: taller because I used to want to be like a

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Speaker 2: have just been like a little undersized four, like I

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Speaker 2: So I think that, yeah, I agree with you. That

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Speaker 2: in college in the W right now, and it's been

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Speaker 2: really fun to see and I think, yeah, teams like

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Speaker 2: go as their four player goes now whether they're scoring

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Speaker 2: feel like, which I think is a good thing because

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Speaker 2: post players y'all need love too.

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Speaker 4: And the game is changing.

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Speaker 2: So the folks were like, we're gonna step out. We're

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Speaker 2: just gonna shoot threes just like y'all. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: So now what, Lexie, I've never asked this before. This

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Speaker 1: is so random, but were you like for me, because

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Speaker 1: for example, I'm five to seven, but i've been five

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Speaker 1: thought I was gonna be tall. Were you always this

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Speaker 2: No, I actually grew a little bit in college. I

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Speaker 2: think I stretched out a little bit in college. So

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Speaker 2: I was a point guard like my entire life because

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Speaker 2: I was always small and I was a little chubby

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Speaker 2: growing up and I wasn't very fast. So my dad

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Speaker 2: I was like, you're gonna be the point guard and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna shoot threes and we're gonna see what happens

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Speaker 2: from there. Actually, like when I got to Duke, I

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Speaker 2: the two. And then even in AU this year, I

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Speaker 2: was playing a little bit of three. But I go

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Speaker 2: next to guards like Alicia Clark's then Natasha Clouds, and

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Speaker 2: they like they playing the post a lot, and I

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Speaker 2: don't like that.

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Speaker 4: That's just not my game. I don't like a lot

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Speaker 2: But like we're like all the same size essentially, so

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Speaker 2: everyone calls them big guards, and then I never get

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Speaker 2: do to get in the big guard conversation. If it's

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Speaker 2: posting up, then I just simply won't be a big guard.

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Speaker 1: But I'd say, I guess being a big guard isn't

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Speaker 1: about being actually big.

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Speaker 4: Just know, it's just it's about the way you play.

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Speaker 2: And people tell me I play like a fairy princess sometimes,

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Speaker 2: so I'm like, Okay, I guess I was like your

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Speaker 2: time at Duke, like playing going to school. I know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a lot of work. Probably deprived myself

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, being in Georgia my whole life. That Senator

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the kudos because it was a lot of work.

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, what the dream got going on?

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Speaker 1: I might sound dumb as hell, but I have never

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Speaker 2: Y'all really are We are league full of college college

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00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: like grad school. You know, all these fits six year

438
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,959
Speaker 2: girls are racking up degrees. We got multiple players with

439
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 2: multiple degrees from prestigious universities, like I try to remind

440
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 2: people all the time. Yeah, like I went to do

441
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 2: but my teammate went to Stanford. My teammates went to Stanford. Like,

442
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 2: we all are very highly intelligent, very self aware players. Yes,

443
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: And the fact that we were able to unify the

444
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: way that we did for that entire season, even though

445
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 2: it was so hard. I remember, it was the dream game,

446
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: wasn't it. When we decided to not play.

447
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: Always us it was always yeah.

448
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: Because I remember I don't know if you remember when

449
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: that situation, and it was in Milwaukee, correct, yea, in

450
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: Wisconsin and the NBA team did their thing, mind you.

451
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 2: I think the frustrating part about it was like they

452
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: didn't send out any communication to us. We're about to

453
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: do this, y'all can do it with us, y'all cannot

454
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 2: do it with us. Like we turned the TV on

455
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 2: and they're not playing. Atlanta and DC are already at

456
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 2: the gym warming up, figuring out, Okay, well what are.

457
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 4: We going to play?

458
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: I think we had the next game, So now we're

459
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: pulling up to start getting ready for our game. We

460
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: walk in the Mystics and the dream are on the

461
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: court having a little kumbaya. Are we gonna sit or

462
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: not gonna? Like the decision was literally made right before

463
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: the game started. That's just a testament to how powerful

464
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: this group is, how locked and we all were during

465
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty season. And again I was just a baby.

466
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: I was like, this is an amazing group of women,

467
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: this is an amazing league. And you said like you

468
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: didn't even want to be in player leadership at the beginning.

469
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: What ultimately drew you into wanting to be a part

470
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: of player leadership?

471
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of it was like other teammates encouraging me,

472
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: and then Terry when she became the executive director because

473
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: my rookie year she wasn't the executive director. So she

474
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: got that job my second year and I was pretty

475
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 3: involved as like even an alternate player rep. And she said,

476
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: have you ever thought about getting into player leadership like

477
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: the EC? And I was like, oh, I'm so young,

478
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: then I'm just a baby. She's like, no, Like, we

479
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: need young players that are engaged. You need a variety

480
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: of players on the EC. You don't need all superstars.

481
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: You want people that you know have been all stars.

482
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: You want people that have been in the middle. You

483
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: want young players like you want that mix, but ultimately

484
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: want people that are engaged. And I know myself I'm

485
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: a little nerd, so I'm gonna be engaged, like I'll

486
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: read the seria. I'm that kind of person. Yeah, And

487
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: so that's really how it started, just like her encouraging

488
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: me and other teammates knowing that they would trust me

489
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: to do it. And then as I've done it more,

490
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: I've just gotten more into it. I'm like learning about

491
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: what unions do and their impact and yeah, just being

492
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: a voice for the players on and off the court.

493
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: As much as we talk about salary, like it's one

494
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: thing to have salary if you're housing a shitty right,

495
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that go into having a league,

496
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: sustaining a league, and so I liked that.

497
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had Terry on a few weeks ago and

498
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: she was amazing and she's very persistent. So I know,

499
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: like when she asked me to be on the leadership

500
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm good. And she probably blew your phone

501
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: up because she did the same thing to me when

502
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: I became a player rep. And then I don't know

503
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: how much we can talk about the meeting that we

504
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: had in Nashville, but far less listeners. We had a

505
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: little CBA Players Association powow while we were at Athletes Unlimited,

506
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: and it was only supposed to.

507
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: Be an hour.

508
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: It ended up being well over two hours of us

509
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: just chopping it up about the CBA from a leadership perspective,

510
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: Like what did that conversation in person mean to you?

511
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: Because I feel like having us all there together was

512
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: very meaningful.

513
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's super meaningful. Obviously you can't go into the

514
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 3: details right because we're in the middle of negotiation, but

515
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: I will say that it's always nice to hear player

516
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: voices that you don't always hear case calls are usually

517
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: the player leadership that's been voted in by other players.

518
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: But it's nice when you get a bigger group of

519
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: people to talk about things that are more unique to them,

520
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: more specific to them, even just like personal stories that

521
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: you might not have known, and also put things into perspective.

522
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: Like I think a lot of times players said, oh,

523
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: this is something that is important to me, but hearing

524
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: the why behind it and hearing different stories and testimonies

525
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: and situations that have happened puts in perspective. And so

526
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: I think sometimes we need that refresher from a leadership standpoint,

527
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: and I think the staff appreciated it, and I know

528
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: moving forward, our advisories are going to take everything in

529
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 3: and like continue to fight for us for sure.

530
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: I have a spicy question, ladies. Oh there we go.

531
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: So I'm currently, as I am weekly, getting torn up

532
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: on the internet because I made a TikTok about Okay,

533
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: So the list of the one hundred highest paid athletes

534
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: in the world came out. There wasn't a single woman

535
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: on the list, which really enraged me. Wow, and not

536
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: one woman on the list, and the closest was Coco Goff.

537
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Obviously the highest Fay female athlete, and she was seven

538
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: million dollars off from Daniel Jones, the New York Giants

539
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: quarterback who famously didn't even finish the season. So what

540
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: I learned reading about it is that for a male athlete,

541
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: seventy seven percent of the money they make just generally

542
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: comes from their salary from their actual sport, whereas for women,

543
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: the majority of our money comes from endorsements, social media commercials.

544
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: That kind of thing.

545
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: So whatever, I made a video about this. I didn't

546
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: even like really get that mad at the video. I

547
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: was just explaining this because I thought that was interesting,

548
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: and I think it's important for people to know, like, hey,

549
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: we can all like talk about we want women and

550
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: athletes to get paid more, and we want this and

551
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: we want that, but like we need to be tuned

552
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: into the games and promoting and whatever. So I make

553
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: this video and all of my comments are men.

554
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 4: Of course, I got on.

555
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: The wrong side to TikTok y'all, and they're basically saying

556
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: to me, well, the issue is women, Like women aren't watching.

557
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: It's women, Like it's y'all's fault. So I just wanted

558
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: to pose this to you guys about what are we

559
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: going to do to get y'all on that list?

560
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: What are we going to do?

561
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: What needs to happen from a fan perspective, from a

562
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: media perspective, like what can we do? Because I mean,

563
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: not just in a basketball sense, but obviously tennis is

564
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: like the highest paid women's sport right now, and it's

565
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: like none of them are on Simone bileses on.

566
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: The Lisard, I'm like, they have like equal prize money money. Yes, yeah,

567
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: so I think that's just I mean, it's amazing, which

568
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: is interesting, but it's like they made like that LANDMARKT decision.

569
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: As annoying as men can be at times, sometimes they

570
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: are correct and I do agree with them.

571
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 4: With women.

572
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: We need to have more women fans, We need to

573
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: have more women engaged with the sport. But it's a

574
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: hard thing because like women, yes they love sports, but

575
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: they're not like the men with their sports.

576
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: That's just the reality of life.

577
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: So I feel like for us being more digestible quote

578
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: unquote to women, I feel like that's been happening the

579
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: last few years. And I talked about it yesterday with

580
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: some of these partners that I was talking with. I

581
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: am trying very hard to capture more women as fans

582
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: as supporters. But women are very intelligence shoppers. They know

583
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: exactly what they want. You can't fool them, you can't

584
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: lie to them like they're going to see right through it.

585
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: They're very intentional with what they do.

586
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: So I feel like for us, yes, I do think

587
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: that we need more of the curly pops to become

588
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: w fans, and I think that's been happening.

589
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: But if you would disagree with me, Elizabeth, let.

590
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: Me know, because I've been feeling like that for some

591
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: time now.

592
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: I cautiously agree. I do think that you have to

593
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: look historically at the investment in sports. You have to

594
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: look at the fact that stadiums and arenas are subsidized

595
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: by tax dollars. Right, the guys are already starting an

596
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: advantage in that sense. So we're pulling and pulling to

597
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: figure out where to play, figure out where to practice.

598
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: We are already behind. And so that's also why part

599
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: of the whole sparity in salary and investment and all that.

600
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: But yes, I do agree that you could have some

601
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: more female viewership. I do think that there has to

602
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: be people have to feel connected to whatever they're into,

603
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: like NBA has been around so long, Like people's parents

604
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: and grandparents and great grandparents. Oh yeah, my great grandpa

605
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: was a Celtics fan and he remembers this and that. Right,

606
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: So some of it is just historically we are not

607
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: where these other leagues are. But now I think there's

608
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: an understanding. If you look at even college basketball, like

609
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: the pace of viewership is higher, is increasing higher than

610
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: for women than for men. So like there are signs

611
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: that these things will change, but ultimately it starts with

612
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: people watching the games feeling like they can connect to

613
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: players in different ways.

614
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: Already, I always tell people, if you come to WNBA game,

615
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna have a time.

616
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: You're gonna have a blast. Yeah, because I don't really like.

617
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: Going to NBA games that much in person. I love

618
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: watching them on TV, but when I go to the

619
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: arena and watch NBA game, I'm like, eh, I'm not

620
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: really having a great time right now. But when I

621
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: go to WNBA games, like when I went to the

622
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: Finals in New York to two finals ago when they

623
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: play Vegas, I had a blast and I'm a competitor

624
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: and I was like having so much fun at that game.

625
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: So I tell people all the time.

626
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: Just come check it out come vibe like, Yeah, I

627
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: don't care if you like women's basketball you don't like, like,

628
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't care. Just come and be in a fun

629
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: environment and watch amazing women play basketball. And I promise,

630
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: like you will not have bad things to say, Like

631
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: I say that to everybody all the time.

632
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: I think that.

633
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: Also, obviously my whole thing is like teaching sports to

634
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: women like this what you guys are talking about is

635
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: literally my life school. But I think that part of

636
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: it is coming from a sports background, Like I was

637
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: put in sports immediately, like as soon as I could walk,

638
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: I was put in sports. And I think that also

639
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: that has to do with an access thing, like sports

640
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: aren't as accessible for young girls as they are for

641
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: young boys. Like I did It's her Shot Tour with

642
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Nike where we went to like different cities and like

643
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: basically put on a basketball camp, and a lot of

644
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: the parents were talking about the lack of access for

645
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: safe spaces for girls to play sports, or the amount

646
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: of like dangerous situations that young girls get put in,

647
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: like when they're put into sports at a young age

648
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: with like coach is that aren't like properly vetted or

649
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: just situations like that, And I think that part of

650
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: it is it's not that women aren't as interested in sports.

651
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: I always say this, it's that because like what you

652
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: were saying, Elizabeth, men have a head start when it

653
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: comes to sports conversation, and so ESPN is geared towards men.

654
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: Their target audience as men, and so like most when

655
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: women are looking around at sports, like the target audience

656
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: isn't them, and so like Lexi you were saying, they're

657
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: intelligent consumers, they're like, Okay, this isn't for me by

658
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Whereas I'm sure with both of you and myself as well,

659
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: Like I was a volleyball player and I was watching

660
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: college volleyball when I was like in eighth grade because

661
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: that's what I could watch to see the best people

662
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: at what I was doing. Whereas y'all were probably watching

663
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: the W way younger, way before people it was cool

664
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: or everybody was talking about it because that's what you

665
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: want to do.

666
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: That was your dream.

667
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: And so I think the more little girls that we

668
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: give that dream to of like playing sports and showing

669
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: them like, hey, you can do this too, the more

670
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: young tennis players are going to watch Cocoa golf, the

671
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: more young basketball players are going to I feel like

672
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: we need to start younger basically with the way we're marketing,

673
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: because those are the most loyal fans. Like, there's a

674
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: reason Justin Bieber is so rich.

675
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: Those are the fans you want.

676
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: You want the kiddos, you want the kids, Yeah, you

677
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: want the little kids. But I said that, I think

678
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: one of the best things that's happened for us are

679
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: these off season leagues that have kept a lot of

680
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: us stateside invisible. You know, a lot of people like

681
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: had no idea that like we all were like friends

682
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: and love each other and all these kind of stuff,

683
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: And it's like the conversation that's been surrounding, you know,

684
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: seeing players interacting with each other in the off season.

685
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, did y'all really think that we just had

686
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: a league full of women that like absolutely despised each

687
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: other and just figured it out for four months and

688
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: then we're like, all right, we're going to go back

689
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: to just hating each other for the rest of the year.

690
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: So I think now more young girls, college, elementary, et cetera,

691
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: are seeing like us off the court more as well,

692
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: because I feel like that's also important. There's it's also

693
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: been like a stigma of just the lifestyle that we

694
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: live is like not glamorous, it's not fun.

695
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: I mean there was a time where that was very

696
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: much true.

697
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: It was tough WNBA player, But now, like I think

698
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: that's changing. Like a lot of us live like some

699
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: very amazing, interesting, beautiful, glamorous lives, and I feel like

700
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: it's nice that's not being put on the forefront and display.

701
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: Now I think we're going to capture some more like

702
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: younger girls that want to aspire to be like us,

703
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: like on and off the court, because the visibility is

704
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: somewhere where it has never been before.

705
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a thousand percent. I see it every day

706
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: because Angel is my teammate. Right, So see somebody that

707
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: brings in a wave of people that probably would have

708
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: never even watched sports, let alone basketball, to just come

709
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 3: to the games and support. And then they're like, oh wait,

710
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: I kind of like this player, you know, like maybe

711
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: I'll just followed this person. Right, So, like we're seeing

712
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: how people with off court brands can turn that into

713
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 3: maximizing who they are on the court and the sport itself.

714
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: So it's yeah, cool fits everybody, it does.

715
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying I said, more eyes, Like they're

716
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: not just watching one player, they got to watch all

717
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: of us. But I've seen like so many new fans

718
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: this past year just because just simply because there were

719
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: new eyes on the sport and they're like, oh, I

720
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: love this player, but I kind of like this player

721
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: over here.

722
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: I kind of like this player over there.

723
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: So it's been like really cool to see a lot

724
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: of like players get their flowers and get the everything

725
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: that they deserve because they're super talented. They just no

726
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: one was checking for us, but everybody check it for us. Yeah.

727
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: I do find it amazing how creating and off the

728
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: court brand is like so important now, and I think

729
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people forget that y'all have and on

730
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: the court life as well, where it's like okay, yeah,

731
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: we're doing amazing things and activism and whatever, but it's

732
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: like at the same time, I still got to go

733
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: out in the court and be a beast.

734
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: I will have a spot.

735
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: So it's amazing how when female athletes haven't about like

736
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: seven percent of your salary coming from endorsements and off

737
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: the court, off the field, whatever, Yeah, like things is

738
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: like imagine how much time that y'all. I mean Lexi.

739
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: You see this all the time, even doing this or

740
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: having to put into these other avenues to you know,

741
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: get yourself out there.

742
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: It's it's really improcess.

743
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of planning, a lot of patience.

744
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: You give yourself a lot of grace. But sometimes I

745
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: do wake up and I'm like, dang, I wish I

746
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: could just hoop and go home and make enough money

747
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: to live a beautiful life. But what I'm able to

748
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: do now, like it is a blessing.

749
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong.

750
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: I love all the other stuff that I'm able to do,

751
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: but those thoughts do creep in from time to time,

752
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: Like dang, there's like ninety percent of the NBA that

753
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: literally they just play basketball and they don't do anything else,

754
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: and they're making millions, saying, and.

755
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: They make enough money. This is the underrated part of that.

756
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: They make enough money that they have people that are

757
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: doing all that off the court stuff for there.

758
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: For them, So they're also making that extra money by

759
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: not doing it themselves. Like a lot of the stuff

760
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: that we do we're doing ourselves. We're having these meetings,

761
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: we're meeting with the photographers and the videographers because everything we.

762
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 4: Do just gets nitpicked.

763
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: Like you can put out some content, a video, a picture,

764
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: and if you don't look on point, you know someone's

765
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: gonna say something about it. There's just so many things

766
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: that men just they probably just don't even think of.

767
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: That's not a shot at them, like by any means,

768
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's just the reality of being a

769
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: woman in sports in general, Like you just got to

770
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 2: be on your p's and q's all the time, even

771
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: with you Mariah, Like I was talking with one of

772
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 2: my friends who's in media, like we are not allowed

773
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 2: to say anything, like just we can't just say whatever

774
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: we want to say, like the way that they sometimes

775
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: talk on ESPN, and they just are like I heard

776
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: that blah blah blah blah blah, and it could be

777
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: the most outrageous thing you've ever heard, but they're allowed

778
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: to just say that. And could you imagine if Sanay

779
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: like went on first take was like, well, I heard

780
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: blah blah blah and then it turns out to be false. Yeah, oh,

781
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: I have a question about I saw this on social media,

782
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: and this actually is what stemmed my idea to bring

783
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: you on as a guest immediately, because I had no

784
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: idea what this was the United College Athletes Association. So

785
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: I saw the post about it and I was like,

786
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: what is this? And then I saw that you were

787
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 2: the one who posted it, and I'm like, of.

788
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 4: Course Elizabeth is involved in this.

789
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: So now we got to bring around the show because

790
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: we need to ask her about it. So to our listeners,

791
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: please explain what this is, what y'all's mission is all

792
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: of the things.

793
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: Please.

794
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So UCAA is essentially in the future, we would

795
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: hope that college athletes can unionize in this era of

796
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: nil and revenue share and all of this. As these

797
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 3: conferences are realigning, there's really no structure that gives players

798
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: a legitimate voice talking to the conferences. So you see,

799
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: it is a nonprofit that it is just like basically

800
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: an organization where players can represent their teams and then

801
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: communicate with the conferences. So the goal is eventually like

802
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: all the players signing union cards, going to the NLRB

803
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: and saying, okay, reunionized. This is our voice and we

804
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: represent the players and we'll speak on behalf of the players.

805
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: Because there's a whole list of things. Yeah, So the

806
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: biggest things is like athletes lacking basic protections. There's really

807
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: nothing that says like between safety compensation like pushing through

808
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: medical things and I benefits only going to like the

809
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: top one percent and then other people living SIPE in

810
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: the sipend. There's nothing that kind of equalizes the playing field.

811
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: So just giving players a voice to talk to the

812
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: conferences about that I was I was saying before. The

813
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 3: viewership for women's basketball is continuing to increase, but there's

814
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: really no way for revenue to be shared with the

815
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: athletes right now, like you really just make money off

816
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 3: your name, image and likeness. So being able to talk

817
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: to their conferences and communicate with them about what that

818
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: could look like, and ultimately just ensuring protection, representation and

819
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: equitable compensation for athletes. So you just have an independent

820
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 3: representation structure kind of like how we have our union

821
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: with player reps and an EC and then they're able

822
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: to advocate. So right now, college athletics, like you have SAC,

823
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: the Student Athlete Advisory Committee, but that's run by the NCUBA,

824
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: and as we know, the NCUBA is like going through

825
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: lawsuits right now because they don't protect their players. And

826
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: so the UCAA is just like an independent structure built

827
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: by the players to be a voice to the conferences

828
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: and like fight for these things. So it started. Kayleb

829
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: Pivitch went to Oregon State. So she reached out to

830
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: me and was like, hey, you know, I've been talking

831
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: to these players across multiple conferences across the country of

832
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: like how can we feel protected. Obviously, unionizing is like

833
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: the way legally you could be protected. If you say,

834
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: like we're a union, then the law protects you. We're

835
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: not quite there yet, and so if you function as

836
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 3: a nonprofit you can still raise money but essentially still

837
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: be organized and communicate with the conferences. So players from

838
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: the SEC and the Big Ten sent letters out to

839
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 3: the commissioners of both of those conferences saying like, we're

840
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 3: going to form this structure representatives and leadership, and both

841
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: of the conferences responded and said, oh, we we love

842
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: to hear player voices. But one of them, I think

843
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: the SEC said you can talk to your coaches. I'm like, okay,

844
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: the coaches are the reason they don't feel comfortable in

845
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: the first place. But exactly they said like, oh, we

846
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: already have sack you already have you know your athletic departments,

847
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: you can go to them you feel uncomfortable. But like

848
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: those are literally the groups that players don't feel as

849
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: comfortable talking to, right, So yeah, so that's why this

850
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: was created, just as an organizational structure for players to

851
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: have reps from their team represent them, go to the conversation,

852
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: say these are our ones to ask needs and eventually

853
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: hopefully players can unionize and feel protected by the law.

854
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: So if you unionized, are you no longer like an amateur?

855
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: Like we're because I feel like now lines are getting blurred.

856
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the latest from the Supreme Court says

857
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: that student athletes are employees.

858
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: I know, like you can't tell the future. And they're like,

859
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: this is also layered. Would you ever imagine like colleges

860
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: or universities or even the NCAA starting to like leverage

861
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: your academic like players academic scholarships. Like I feel like,

862
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: ultimately the point of going to college is to get

863
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: an education, and I feel like that part of being

864
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: a student athlete has been completely lost for them. Most

865
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: part my fear about all this stuff is that now

866
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: people are going to start playing with people's education, and

867
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 2: like you said, the most of the money is going

868
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: to the top one percent, and I feel like a

869
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: lot of people don't understand how many athletes have not

870
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: reaped any type of benefit at all from NIO as

871
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: amazing as it has been for a handful of players

872
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: or a lot of like football teams and basketball teams,

873
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: there's a lot of college athletes that have not earned

874
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: a dollar.

875
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: My sister was one of them.

876
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: Like she was at William and Mary, and she got

877
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: a little money here and there, but like for the

878
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: most part, and I all did not really impact her

879
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: life like that. So do you foresee you know, NT

880
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: double A or academic institutions becoming like petty with it,

881
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: like being like, well, y'all get school, So like if

882
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: we start paying y'all like that, y'all gonna have to

883
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: start paying for your own tuition like stuff like that.

884
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: Like those are things that like I just think about.

885
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: It's tough because the NC double A is kind of

886
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: becoming more and more obsolete. Like if you look at

887
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: football right the College Football Playoff, there's no NC DOUBLEA logos,

888
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: like it has nothing to do with NCUAA. It's simply

889
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: these massive conferences are playing in the College Football Playoff,

890
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with them being NC DOUBLEA institutions.

891
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: Because of all the lawsuits about whatever. Right, So as

892
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 3: these conferences continue to realign, I don't know what even

893
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: the NC DOUBLEA is going to be, Like are they

894
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: even going to exist legally because they've been acting shady

895
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: for so long? Yeah, So just from that perspective, like

896
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 3: that's scary because a lot of sports are Olympic sports,

897
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: Like a lot of sports aren't football, men's basketball or

898
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: women's basketball. So what happens to these athletes, what happens

899
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: to their scholarships? I don't know, Like I don't know

900
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: if it ends up being like the institutions are the

901
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: ones that have the institutions themselves have the most power

902
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: in the scholarships. But yeah, NC DOUBLEA is fine for

903
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: their lives right now to be an a legitimate organization.

904
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: And I remember when we were in college like with compliance,

905
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: Like dude, schools even have compliance anymore?

906
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 4: Like does that even exist?

907
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

908
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't even bring my trainers to the CA Center

909
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: without compliance being like who's that?

910
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 4: Are you paying for these services? Like what is going

911
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 4: on here?

912
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: Like now it's just like a free fraw and as

913
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: amazing as it's been, there's just no structure whatsoever to

914
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: it at all.

915
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also think it's beneficial. It's kind of

916
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: like the interview that Gino had where he said, can

917
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: these players sign some sort of contract or something, Like

918
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: they're coming to school leaving the next year. Kids aren't

919
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: even graduating because they're going from one school to another

920
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: to another. One school's on a quarter system, the other

921
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: one's on a semester system. One school has a major

922
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: that doesn't even exist in the other. Like, like you said,

923
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: you're losing your education completely. So I think there's got

924
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: to be like a complete restructuring of what college athletics

925
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: is supposed to look like. And I don't know if

926
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: the NCAA is really the body to do that.

927
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: Where I get confused is we've talked about this before

928
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: too LuxI like the being paid by a school to

929
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: leave your school and go to their school, and like

930
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: how that communication works them not having to set out anymore,

931
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: Like it's complicated because there's no like loyalty. And then

932
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: it becomes a fact where it's like if this school

933
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: isn't paying me, why would I go to school there?

934
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, then this school can't get any players,

935
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: So now it's affecting competition.

936
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 3: There's also no cap like they're going to eventually make

937
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: a cap of I think twenty million for football, but

938
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 3: like Ohio State, Ohio State's whole team was bought like

939
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: they had like the biggest nil budget because this whole

940
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: system is insane, So like, at what point do we

941
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: one protect everybody else, like all these other athletes, and

942
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: at what point do we say okay, Like institutions, you

943
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: have to have some sort of limit to this, like

944
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: this isn't pro sports. Yeah, they're supposed to be going

945
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: to class.

946
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: These are kids.

947
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: Why does a night ten year old need half a

948
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: million dollars to go to college?

949
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: Like, and it's way more than that. Get a bag.

950
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: I'm here for it, but it's like for me, the

951
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: basketball purist that I am, the sports peist that I am,

952
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: and iol has completely ruined college sports for me again,

953
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: so happy that players are being able to get paid

954
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: considering how much money the NCAA and the university's make

955
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: off of their names. But I'm like, y'all had no

956
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: type of idea that this was coming.

957
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 4: I thought it was just.

958
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: Gonna be like they could be out a commercial and

959
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: they could.

960
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: They be a video game, right. I think it was

961
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: like I don't think it was like boosters being like,

962
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: oh yeah, here's one hundred.

963
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 4: Come to do like, oh you go to Duke.

964
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: Here, here's half a million to come to U and see,

965
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: like and now you don't got to sit out anymore

966
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: as a transfer kid. That first year sitting was tough,

967
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: but it made that decision very intentional. Yeah, now I

968
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: gotta go to a school and sit the hell down

969
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: for a year. Am I gonna like where I'm at?

970
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: You know, some people might hate me for saying this,

971
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: but like, I think.

972
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: That's it out. RU will need to come back. I'm

973
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 4: sorry this team.

974
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: The team is getting ridiculous, especially for the reasoning behind it.

975
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: Some players are in very messed up situations, so I understand,

976
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: but the fact that some players are simply leaving for

977
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: some money, I'm just like, good for you, but you

978
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: should have some type of I don't want to call

979
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: it a consequence because that's negative. But like the players

980
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: not even like trades, they're not signing contact they're started

981
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: happening in college.

982
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: And here's the other thing that you have to put

983
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: in perspective, It's like, what one percent of these athletes

984
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: going to be pro? So you made twenty thousand dollars.

985
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: You're still going to have to get a normal job.

986
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: You're not living off of an extra twenty thousand, even

987
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: an extra hundred thousand for the rest of your life

988
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: if you're not a pro athlete. They're not approach Like,

989
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: there has to be some sort of logic in how

990
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: long term this is going to affect people because it's

991
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: not going to end well because you're going to end

992
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: up with an extra one hundred k and no degree.

993
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: Like now what Yeah, like this group specific is for

994
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: women's basketball, but like having some sort of organized structure,

995
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: keep some level of consistency because right now it's so chaotic.

996
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: Then moving forward, the NCAA in theory could could function

997
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: how it's supposed to. Just getting athletes to compete at

998
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: college in college sports and eventually graduate and live their lives.

999
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out women's basketball leading the way. Yet again,

1000
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: what we do is lead the way. My last question

1001
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: for you is a fun one, Elizabeth, what is your

1002
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: final four prediction? I know we said do go in

1003
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: it all, but final four prediction go.

1004
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't even know the regions like the Okay, I.

1005
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 4: Was talking to my parents about that today.

1006
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: That region stuff is like out the window because it's

1007
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 2: like everybody is all over the place.

1008
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 4: So I'm like, does really even matter? So okay, final four.

1009
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 3: Okay, Duke, Obviously I'm gonna put Yukon in there. Okay,

1010
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to put I'm gonna put usc in there.

1011
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: Oh the other one South Carolina.

1012
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 4: Period, that would be That would be amazing.

1013
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: It's a very safe, educated final for Elizabeth. I really

1014
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: love that, Brian, You're a women's final four if you've

1015
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: even thought about that.

1016
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: No, what Elizabeth just said is exactly what I'm hoping

1017
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. Now here's my thing with marsh Madness. Yes,

1018
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: because those are all like I feel like the very

1019
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: entertaining storylines are coming out of those four. But I

1020
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: feel like my thing with March Madness that pisses me

1021
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: off every year is like something's gonna happen to where

1022
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: it's not like that. You get what I'm saying, Like

1023
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like some random school I never heard of.

1024
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: It gets all the way to the final four, I'm like,

1025
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: what is going on? You know what I'm saying, But

1026
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: that's what I'm hoping happens. Listen, I know, like Yukon

1027
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: is kind of like the Warriors of twenty sixteen of

1028
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: women's college basketball.

1029
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: Literally, they always sight away and that damn Final four,

1030
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, the most mediocre season in Euston standards, and

1031
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: you look up and they back in the Final four.

1032
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: We're like, how did y'all get here again?

1033
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see Paige win.

1034
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 4: I don't know. I really want to see her be

1035
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 4: a champion.

1036
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: I like who she is off the court. I like

1037
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: her whole little brand. I feel like we've seen her

1038
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: be hurt, We've seen like so many obstacles come across

1039
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: her college basketball career for her to be as big

1040
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: as she is and as great as she is, like,

1041
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: I would like to see her come out on top

1042
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: because this is only this is the only opportunity she's

1043
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: gonna get.

1044
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would replace South Carolina, even though I

1045
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: love me some South Carolina. I'm here for the Hayley

1046
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: Van Lit Redemption arc. So I'm going to see you

1047
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 2: to the final four because I'm here.

1048
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: Okay, Redemption arc.

1049
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you got it, Redemption Arc five heres,

1050
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: So duke it, PCU.

1051
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: And write this down.

1052
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: I feel that Lexi, but she could redeem herself in

1053
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: the lead day, I don't know.

1054
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: She says she don't have to get that far now, Duke.

1055
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 2: I'm going with Duke all the way. But the Haley

1056
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: Van Lit redemption arc has been so fun to watch,

1057
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: So I hope that she has a great tournament. They

1058
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: just won the Big Twelve, so like, I'm.

1059
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 4: Really happy for her.

1060
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: Okay, last question, Sorry, one sleeper team for me, even

1061
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: though they're not really underrated?

1062
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: Is LSU for me?

1063
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: Okay? Like I actually throw Maryland as a sleeper team

1064
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: as well.

1065
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 4: They're always a sleeper team.

1066
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: It's a little sleeper team.

1067
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah for LSU.

1068
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: Though, how hurt is Flage? And I know it's like

1069
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: a shin but I've never experienced shin inflammation, but serious, Yeah,

1070
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: Elizabeth knows all about that.

1071
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: I actually played with a stress fracture my freshman year

1072
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: in college. Would not recommend. It's pretty painful, Like, you

1073
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: can do it, but you're just not gonna have the

1074
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: same like.

1075
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 4: Spring, which extremely to her game.

1076
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not gonna have the same push

1077
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: off like a little snatch back might be like a

1078
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: mini snatch. That's a problem. Yeah.

1079
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 4: Knowing Flage, she's a tough cookie.

1080
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: I would figure she would play maybe not, maybe not

1081
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: the first two rounds, depending on who they get matched

1082
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: up with. But I think they have like a real

1083
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: chance to make a deep run. So I think if

1084
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: she can go, she'll go. But stress fractures and shin

1085
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: stuff like that's nothing to play around with. And then

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Speaker 2: my sleeper pick obviously was TCU.

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Speaker 4: I got them in the final four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the.

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Speaker 1: Grown Woman team. Yeah, let that's my grown woman.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: The old heads heads, see that's another They're gonna make

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Speaker 4: a run. They got some experience on there.

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Speaker 3: They should be with on.

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Speaker 2: We're ready for y'all because y'all are killing it, so

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Speaker 2: we can't play with the big dogs, come play with

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Speaker 2: the big girls.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: This was such a fun conversation, very informative, but I

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Speaker 2: knew it would be. I'm so happy that I got

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Speaker 2: to know you in Nashville. You did amazing in AU.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to watch you this summer. Healthy, happy,

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Speaker 2: all of the things. So this is another episode of

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Speaker 2: Full Circle Podcast.

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Speaker 4: We will see y'all next week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Full Circle. We'll be back next

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Speaker 1: week with more basketball for the Girls by.

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Speaker 4: The Girls, We want to hear from you.

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