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Speaker 1: My buddy Matt Mosey has been covering the Cowboys for

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Speaker 1: over a decade. You know, I watched Jimmy Garoppolo today

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Speaker 1: and of defend to Jimmy Garoppolo more than once, and

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Speaker 1: I always say, what do you want from your quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Not everybody can throw like Herbert or Mahomes. Not everybody

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Speaker 1: can run like Kyler or Russell Wilson. But I do

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Speaker 1: judge my quarterbacks on how are they in crisis? How

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Speaker 1: are they if they don't have a great running game,

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Speaker 1: how are they with a limited clock? Do they hit

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Speaker 1: their lamps? Do they get their six or eight layups

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Speaker 1: a game? And I think Garoppolo's just two magnificent drives

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Speaker 1: to win it on the road against the Bengals. And

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Speaker 1: I watched Dak. Dak's record is six and seventeen when

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get a hundred yards rushing. I thought he

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Speaker 1: missed his lap throws. I thought, I thought, Matt, he

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Speaker 1: really struggled. Something doesn't feel right to me. And what's

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Speaker 1: your takeaway on that? Well, I think that's accurate. And

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Speaker 1: as far as something doesn't feel right, and it hasn't

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Speaker 1: for some time now, and we keep waiting for him

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Speaker 1: to kick it back in. And so that's how the

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Speaker 1: question started past week for Jerry Jones. Is he hurt?

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Speaker 1: Do you think something's wrong? Jerry, who has been protecting

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks for years, basically blamed everything on the wide receivers

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Speaker 1: and said, well, there's running the wrong routes. To your point, Colin, today,

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Speaker 1: he was the one you point to quarterbacks in crisis.

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Speaker 1: He caused the crisis. Yes, he caused the chaos. And

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Speaker 1: this quarterback you know, when you go into another stratosphere

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Speaker 1: pay wise, the stakes go up and the criticism. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, he had enjoyed sort of an extended

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Speaker 1: honeymoon this new I think everybody was excited for him.

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Speaker 1: He's the leader, and he's a mess right now. And

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Speaker 1: that interception he threw to suddenly, let me think about that, Colin.

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Speaker 1: You were watching several games, but you look over at

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Speaker 1: that game. That's probably a game that you pretty much

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Speaker 1: put away at halftime, and then suddenly you look up

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Speaker 1: at four and a half minutes and go, wait, wait, okay,

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Speaker 1: now it's that's weird. It's twenty seven fourteen and he

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Speaker 1: throws a pick six. It's twenty seven twenty and they

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Speaker 1: get the ball back Washington football team, and if the

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Speaker 1: guy didn't dropped the ball, they got a total chance

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Speaker 1: to go down and tie that game. I think he's

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Speaker 1: I think he may be hurt. I think something. I

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Speaker 1: think it's like And there are people who've been watching

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Speaker 1: types for folks right now that truly think something is

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Speaker 1: wrong with him, whether it be the calf strain, the shoulder.

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Speaker 1: He's not himself, so not only has he lost confidence,

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Speaker 1: but he's making extremely poor decisions, to the point where

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Speaker 1: I thought it was crazy that they had him even

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Speaker 1: boot and he's supposed to be an elite quarterback. I've

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Speaker 1: got like a complete lack of trust in him and

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Speaker 1: Collin I I don't understand why the coaches don't like

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Speaker 1: why are the coaches still trusting him when he continues

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Speaker 1: a mess. As I always kind of feel, there's there's

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Speaker 1: two bags of money for quarterbacks. There's the big bag

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Speaker 1: thought there was a lot of pressure. It was interesting

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Speaker 1: watching especially the young media, that that Dak somehow deserved

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Speaker 1: was always his intangibles are better than his tangibles. He

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Speaker 1: that is that he can get streaky and he can

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Speaker 1: think he's banged up. I think both running backs are

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Speaker 1: not who Deck is and right now Dac needs everything

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Speaker 1: what I saw. And I'm just listening to you say that.

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Speaker 1: not a good football team, like this is a very

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Speaker 1: uneven That's where when you look at the schedule, they

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Speaker 1: could they could end up there. They're sitting at it.

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Speaker 1: They're in a court, They're in a division with average quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and when healthy, between Micah Parsons, Randy greg Read, DeMarcus Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: not say Dallas is lacking talent. I think their defensive front,

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Speaker 1: I think Grandy Gregory's unblockable. I think Micer Parsons is

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Speaker 1: one point we thought he was overpaid, but he's super athletic.

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Speaker 1: I there's a reason. Here's the thing. When you go

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Speaker 1: twelve and five, we think you have to be led

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Speaker 1: by your quarterback. But the truth is they're not. They're

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? It is right now, But I mean

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Speaker 1: listen to what you're saying. I mean, think about where

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Speaker 1: all the money is. You always follow the money and

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Speaker 1: keep up with these contracts, and you've got a huge

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Speaker 1: money wide receiver, big money quarterback, big money telback, three

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Speaker 1: only scary thing about that is we've seen it happen before,

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Speaker 1: where a defense can carry a team. But there's think

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Speaker 1: We've seen great defenses and we always point to, you know, whatever,

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Speaker 1: think more than streakiness. But I thought you made a

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Speaker 1: really interesting point. The intangibles are so far off the charts,

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Speaker 1: this guy could run for president. Well, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that present extremely well, he's one of them.

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Speaker 1: But then your message gets hollow when you're standing up

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Speaker 1: backbreaking interceptions. I mean, think about how dead that Washington

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Speaker 1: You don't see that in high school football in Texas,

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Speaker 1: so many easy throws to make. And that guy was

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Speaker 1: five for nineteen. You know what's really bothers him. If

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Speaker 1: you're a Cowboy fan and just watched the Cowboys, you

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Speaker 1: missed out on unbelievable quarterback played today. Herbert was amazing,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady in the first half was unbelievable, Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: in the second, Mahomes was outstanding, Joe Burrow was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo to come from behind win on the road. There

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Speaker 1: was some really high end quarterback play. So as you sat,

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Speaker 1: So three of the top seven eight in the league

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Speaker 1: get criticized, and Dak as inartistic as anybody on a

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Speaker 1: Is that that's what I saw? Yeah? What are you?

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Speaker 1: more entertaining My life could be watching all these other

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Speaker 1: I'd love to watch all these other performances. Listen, So

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Speaker 1: What are your gut feeling going forward over the next month. Well,

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Speaker 1: That's limping home. Yeah, they could. I mean they could

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Speaker 1: finish thirteen and four and we'd be like, what do

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Speaker 1: they what do you think? The seventeen game thing really

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Speaker 1: about how these things, how these schedules come out. But Colin,

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Speaker 1: I think if they finished thirteen and four, we'll be

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Speaker 1: Well if they If they finished thirteen and four, it

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Speaker 1: will be largely because the running backs got healthy in

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Speaker 1: of really good guys on the team. Odell would take

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Speaker 1: those young guys under his wing, teach them everything that

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Speaker 1: he knew. Like you said, Odell is very popular in

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Speaker 1: the locker room. I mean he's hard to beat in

429
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Speaker 1: the locker room. He gives these guys headphones and nikes,

430
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Speaker 1: you know, cleats and shoes and sneakers and you know

431
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Speaker 1: what I mean, he really is. You know, he's a

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a gym rat, guys guy, players player,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's fun to be around. He

434
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Speaker 1: dances at practice, gets everybody going. So so it certainly

435
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Speaker 1: wasn't like players did not like Odell. It's just that

436
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Speaker 1: there was just it just didn't go up. It just

437
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: did not go up the acl. I mean, who knows

438
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Speaker 1: how that season would have gone. Maybe it would have

439
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: gotten better, maybe not, But that wipes him out for

440
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: that season and then coming back this year, you know,

441
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: it just it got weird. I mean it just got weird.

442
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Speaker 1: And if you look at all the times that he

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Speaker 1: has produced only yardage and only the twenties when he

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Speaker 1: was in Cleveland. The number is staggering. It was like

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Speaker 1: once every I don't know, I can't remember the the

446
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: math right now, but he had yardage in the twenties

447
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: all the time in Cleveland, and he only had that

448
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: happen three times in fifty nine games in New York.

449
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: In Cleveland, it was just constant lack of production. Then

450
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: it turned into lack of targets. And I went to

451
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: the you know, the Chargers game, and I watched him

452
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Speaker 1: after the game, and he had he had a lot

453
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Speaker 1: of friends there. He had family members that had a

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Speaker 1: field side suite and he had you know, his mom

455
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Speaker 1: was there, his dad was there, his girlfriend was there.

456
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Speaker 1: He had all kinds of NBA players stopping by. This

457
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: was before the game, and he wanted to put on

458
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Speaker 1: a show. Lebron was there. I mean, it was Odell time,

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Speaker 1: and I think he may have got he dropped a

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Speaker 1: pass early. He was pretty hyped up. He dropped a

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Speaker 1: pass early and Baker law. I think Baker lost trust

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Speaker 1: in Odell's ability to catch the ball for him, and

463
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: they just didn't have some kind of connection. One of

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Speaker 1: my theories is the fact that I think sometimes when

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Speaker 1: you have a player that has played his whole entire

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Speaker 1: career with one quarterback, like Odell did with Eli, I

467
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: think there was an adjustment period, or I thought there

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Speaker 1: was an adjustment period to Baker. Now that I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: him with Matt Stafford, now I'm thinking, Okay, well, that

470
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Speaker 1: theory kind of goes out the window. It was just

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Speaker 1: a disconnect between Baker and Odell, and he sat on

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Speaker 1: a bench after that game with his head down. And

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Speaker 1: it was a road trip, and he can't really spend

474
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Speaker 1: too much time, you know, hanging out on the field,

475
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Speaker 1: but he did. He just sat there with his head

476
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Speaker 1: down on that field, and I knew then that it

477
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: was basically over. But it was over that he knew

478
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Speaker 1: that this was not going to get better for him,

479
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Speaker 1: and so it didn't surprise me as they went along,

480
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: and you know, in the next week and what happened happened.

481
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Speaker 1: But it just and you know, the other thing, real

482
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Speaker 1: quick is that they tried. These two tried to make

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00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: it work this off season. They spent time together. You know,

484
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: Baker's wife got to know Odell's girlfriend. O'Dell did things

485
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: he usually doesn't do in the offseason, like go to Austin,

486
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Speaker 1: Texas for Camp Mayfield. I mean, that's not Odell. I

487
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: mean he's usually all over the country. But he did it,

488
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: and he tried, and Baker tried. Odell also went out

489
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Speaker 1: to Montana with you know, Baker and Jarvis and Austin

490
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: Hooper and just a couple of guys and on a

491
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend before the season. So they made an

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Speaker 1: effort to develop this relationship and it just didn't work

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Speaker 1: on the field. And now I think you can see

494
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: that Odell is the amazing receiver that we thought he was.

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00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: He is still a yeah. If you know, sometimes I'll

496
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Speaker 1: go down kind of the rabbit hole of Cleveland Brown

497
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Twitter because I do like to hear local radio and

498
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Speaker 1: how kind of the perspective in kind of the belly

499
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: of the beast. And I think in the last six

500
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Speaker 1: weeks I've been the more moderate voice on some of

501
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: this stuff. There's been a lot of negative Mayfield reaction

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Speaker 1: by talk show hosts and media. So give me a

503
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Speaker 1: little update today. If you if you did a straw

504
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: poll on you took twenty people in the Cleveland sports media,

505
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: where do they stand on Mayfield today. You know, I

506
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: think that I think it would probably be divided right now,

507
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Speaker 1: maybe probably right down the middle. I mean it's easier

508
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: to get a gauge on how fans feel. And I

509
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: think that that's probably about fifty fifty now too. I

510
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, I think about fifty At least fifty

511
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Speaker 1: percent of fans are still one hundred percent in Baker

512
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Speaker 1: may corner. But I do sense that. I mean it's grown, uh,

513
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, to about fifty percent wondering what if he

514
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: is the guy anymore? And some people like really climbing

515
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: off the bandwagon. But I think that is why Baker

516
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: Mayfield has taken the gloves off a little bit to say, hey, look,

517
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: we're getting conservative in certain situations. I think he's saying

518
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm hurt, you know. I mean, he's tough as nails,

519
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: okaying about Baker Mayfield. Nobody can ever argue with this

520
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield. He is tough as nails, never wants

521
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: to come out for a play, never wants to miss

522
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Speaker 1: a game. I know this is killing him that he

523
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: is probably going to sit out this game, and unless

524
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Speaker 1: he gets some kind of a Christmas miracle, he's not

525
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Speaker 1: going to be going to be able to play against

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, and I know that's killing him because he

527
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: wanted to come back and get this team into the playoffs,

528
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Speaker 1: and he had a better games against the Ravens, at

529
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Speaker 1: least in the first half. And then again he feels

530
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Speaker 1: like the second half, he's trying to tell people it

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Speaker 1: wasn't me. We got conservative, right, Like I wanted to

532
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: score twenty points in the second half. So I think

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Speaker 1: now he's trying to say, you know, look, and he's

534
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: not he's not beating the drum too loudly about all

535
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: this stuff, but I think he's trying to explain why

536
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: some things have gone for him the way they have

537
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: this season. Yeah, he's defending himself. He's defending his brand,

538
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: his personality. He has a right to do that, all right,

539
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: Chad Milman, Action Network CCO, Chief Content Officer. Right, a

540
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: crappy week. I've had a crappy year. I've said I

541
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: had the best college year in my life. I'm having

542
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: a terrible NFL year probly around thirty five. So I'm

543
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: gonna start going. I'm gonna go with my strongest bets.

544
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: Are you ready to go? I love, by the way,

545
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: my two strongest bets last week, Bill's Brown's both lost

546
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: tough ones. I know they look I love them both.

547
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: You're not alone and having a hard year, like people

548
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: are going to give you crap about it just because

549
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: it's you. But favorites are just winning at crazy percentages.

550
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: And most of the time people who do this on

551
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: a day to day basis may win by betting ugly

552
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: do And though that Bill's game and that Browns game

553
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: are perfect examples of what happens when you feel like

554
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: you're on the right side, but you miss a forty

555
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: one yard field goal, a team misses an extra point,

556
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: a team goes for it and then doesn't make the

557
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: two point conversion, but then does later in the game,

558
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: or the team fights back, they miss their third and

559
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: two fade, they have to kick a field goal, and

560
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: then the team scores a cover scoring touchdown in overtime.

561
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Those things happen like over the long haul. If you

562
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: continue to bet the sides of the you bet, you're

563
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: a long term winner. I just want to say that,

564
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to take the Ravens plus four

565
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: hosting Green Bay. Green Bay is off a divisional rival,

566
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Big game, Big TV game, Baltimore is top five in defense,

567
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: top five and third down defense, top five in red

568
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: zone defense. Screen Bay settles for some field goals, green

569
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: Bay wins close. I take the Ravens sharper square, sharp play.

570
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: This is the definition of professional betting. The bookmakers, they

571
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: are begging you to bet the Ravens. They know every

572
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: bet is going to flow in on Green Bay. Nine

573
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: of the bets right now are flowing in on Green Bay.

574
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: You don't know if Lamar Jackson is playing. The Ravens

575
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: are struggling. So you're betting two things. If here, if

576
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: you're a sharp right one, you're betting regression for the Packers.

577
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: They have been playing ed and out of this world

578
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: level against the spread. Even on Sunday Night. Right they

579
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: were twelve and a half point favorites. On Sunday Night

580
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: they were down ten nothing. When they were down ten nothing,

581
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: the live line on this game was Packers minus three.

582
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: I bet the Packers minus three. A buddy of mine

583
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: called me as it got close to halftime. I think

584
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: at that point the Packers maybe were down twenty four

585
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: to fourteen or something like that, and he's like, I

586
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: had the Packers minus twelve and a half in my

587
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Survivor league in my pool this week, I don't think

588
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win it. I'm like, guy, Packers are going

589
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: to win this game. Going away, I'm going to bed.

590
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: And the Packers did just that. They covered the twelve

591
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: and a half, They covered every live line. It was

592
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: no problem. So number one, you're betting a little bit

593
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: of regression against a very good defense too. You're betting

594
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson will play, and that you're getting the

595
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: top of the market on the Ravens as Home does,

596
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: because as soon as it's announced it is, the line's

597
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: going to come down. The line tells me to take

598
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: the Colts minus two and a half with the Patriots.

599
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: That's what it tells me to do. And so my

600
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: gut feeling because outside of this year, you know, I've

601
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: hit about fifty five fifty six percent of my games

602
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: in pros. So I would take the Colts minus two

603
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: and a half because the line's telling me to take

604
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: that side. I don't know if it's sharper square, but

605
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: could you explain which side is sharp and why? So

606
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: it's the Colts and this line opened at minus one.

607
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: It is the definition of a pros Joe's game. So

608
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: when I just talked about the Broncos and the Bengals,

609
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: I said money on the Broncos, bets on the Bengals.

610
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Bets come in in ten dollars increments. It's the squares

611
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: who say, I'm putting ten dollars on this time, and

612
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: then another another square comes in, I'm putting twenty dollars.

613
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: So you don't only get money in bets equal to

614
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: each other. And that's how books break these things down

615
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: by percentages. The money is indicative of here's ten dimes.

616
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: A dime is worth a thousand dollars when betters are

617
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: putting that money down, right, that's the that's the vernacular.

618
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: A nickel is five hundred dollars, A dime is a

619
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Here's ten dimes, here's two nickels, here's whatever

620
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: it is. The big money is coming in on the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Here the bets are coming in on the Patriots. That's

622
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: all you need to know if you want to know

623
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Speaker 1: the reasons why you've got a dominant run team in

624
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: the Colts number one in yards per carry, number two

625
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: in overall rushing yards. By the way, the Eagles number

626
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: one in yard in overall rushing yards, number two in

627
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: yards per carry. The Cults are playing a middling to

628
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: bottom third in the league rush defense. The wise guys

629
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: are looking into the Patriots have beaten and the circumstances

630
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: in which they've won, and they just don't respect it,

631
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: and they feel like it's Their line is massively overinflated

632
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: right now. So if you were getting the Cults at

633
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: less than a field goal, you have to take them

634
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: the volume