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Speaker 1: But for the most part, veteran players don't do that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Even though this was Aaron Donald, I

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Speaker 1: don't know who the guy was he was swinging on,

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Speaker 1: whether it was a young guy, whether it was an

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Speaker 1: old guy, all of that. The simple fact of the

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Speaker 1: matter is you're not gonna get any movement on the

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Speaker 1: NFL of changing policies or trying to legislate fighting in

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Speaker 1: the preseas a preseason joint practice. Legislate that out of

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Speaker 1: the game, I mean, what are you You're never gonna

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Speaker 1: do it? Yeah, I guess I'm not talking about legislating

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Speaker 1: it out of the game. But swinging a helmet around

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Speaker 1: is not good, Like you're the wrong person with that.

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Speaker 1: You could really hurt somebody. We've had, Brann, We've had

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Speaker 1: I've given humorous accounts, you know, you know, to you

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Speaker 1: and other people about what it used to be like

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Speaker 1: when I played. And I know I sound like an

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Speaker 1: old guy here. Obviously back in the in the age

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Speaker 1: when steroids were more prevalent, even more pre way more

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Speaker 1: prevalent than they are now, and you needed guys who

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Speaker 1: were big enough and strong enough to break fights up.

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Speaker 1: I would also challenge any buddy who's criticizing the behavior

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Speaker 1: that they just saw in the film, and we've been

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Speaker 1: showing of Aaron Donald and the Cincinnati Bengals and the

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Speaker 1: Rams getting into this fight, I would challenge anybody go

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Speaker 1: in there after the practice and find anybody who was

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Speaker 1: even ruffled by it. After the fact the players involved

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, the Cincinnati Angles would I would say, have

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Speaker 1: a conversation with those guys, see what they think about it.

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Speaker 1: You'd be shocked that with the nonchalance that they address

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Speaker 1: it with. So that's that's Aaron Donald and the guy

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Speaker 1: he was swinging the helmet at. So if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: if the guy he's swinging the helmet at wants to

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Speaker 1: come out and say, hey, I want to I want

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Speaker 1: something done for him. Yeah, that would be something different.

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Speaker 1: You'd be you'd be challenged to find anybody admit they're

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Speaker 1: the guy he was swinging at, because it's just not

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Speaker 1: that big a deal. And I know how it looks

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Speaker 1: because we all live in a polite society, most of us,

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Speaker 1: where people don't swing objects at people and with the

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Speaker 1: force like that and with the intent of that. It's

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Speaker 1: part of what the conflict that we're all find so

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Speaker 1: intriguing of watching NFL games. It's part of what is

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Speaker 1: enticing about watching it. Big guys pushing against each other

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Speaker 1: against their will and their tempers got the best of

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Speaker 1: him for a moment. Now it's gone, it's over. And

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Speaker 1: like I said, after that, practice themselves when we talk

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Speaker 1: about other things, not that fight. So I get that

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Speaker 1: it's on everybody's mind. And you can look back at

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and what happened between him and Mason Rudolph

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Speaker 1: on a Monday night football game on National TV and

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Speaker 1: say it's the same thing. It's not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It looks like I say it looks like the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not. And I know that it's I know it's

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Speaker 1: a fine line, and it's and we're talking about things

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Speaker 1: that maybe don't make sense, aren't logical. But the simple

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Speaker 1: fact the matter is from most guys who have played

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Speaker 1: and been to training camps and played in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League, that fight as big as it was and

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Speaker 1: as many guys there was, and same thing with the

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Speaker 1: Patriots and the Carolina Panthers last week. It's not even

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Speaker 1: a blip on the radar. It's just like, we gotta

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Speaker 1: move on. We got we got a game to get

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Speaker 1: ready for. They don't even this isn't even a conversation

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Speaker 1: in film. So yeah, so I get how people are

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Speaker 1: looking at this going wow, how can that happen? It's

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Speaker 1: that's that's part of the intensity of an NFL practice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it's while it's not acceptable even for the coach

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Speaker 1: to the player. They don't want that stuff to happen,

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Speaker 1: but certainly when you break it up and everything, cooler

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Speaker 1: heads prevail. They got they move on, They move on.

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Speaker 1: All right, we gotta take a break here, but when

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Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna be joined by former college

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Speaker 1: football head coach Butch Davis, who was Ken Dorsey's head

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Speaker 1: coach at the University of Miami when he was quarterbacking

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Speaker 1: them to back to back national title games. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: up with coach Davis when we return here on One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Klatta Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to One middles Live. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you, and please to be joined now

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Speaker 1: by a guy that's coached in the college game and

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Speaker 1: a little bit in the NFL for over forty years.

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Speaker 1: Former head coach at the University of Miami, Butch Davis

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Speaker 1: joining us here, who obviously had Ken Dorsey as his

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Speaker 1: quarterback down there when they won a national championship. Coach,

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Speaker 1: How you doing doing good? Chris? It's good to be

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Speaker 1: with you. So let's start here on the subject of Ken.

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Speaker 1: You get him down there in Coral Gables. What whether

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Speaker 1: it was on a recruiting visit to his house in

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Speaker 1: high school or whether once you got him on campus.

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Speaker 1: What stuck out the most about his personality from the

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Speaker 1: time you first met him. Well, the very first time

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Speaker 1: I saw him, obviously, I watched all his high school

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Speaker 1: film and he'd had a very very successful high school career.

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Speaker 1: But I flew from Miami on a red flight all

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Speaker 1: the way to San Francisco, rented a car, went and

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Speaker 1: they were going to play a basketball scrimmage at eight

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Speaker 1: o'clock the morning. And I get there and I look,

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Speaker 1: and I go, oh man, they're his, Kenny's team. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna get blown out of this gym. There's got no chance.

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Speaker 1: The other team was way more athletic, were bigger, stronger,

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Speaker 1: and they start the scrimmage and Kenny immediately it jumped out.

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Speaker 1: What he did great with the ball. He brought the

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Speaker 1: ball down the field. Here's here's a guy that's six

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Speaker 1: foot five as a as a skinny, you know, point

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Speaker 1: guard in basketball, and he's looking the defenders off in

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Speaker 1: the one side, and he's hitting guys on brakes in

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Speaker 1: the backside. And I thought, that's a quarterback, a guy

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Speaker 1: that can find the open receivers and get guys. And

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Speaker 1: they won the scrimmage and stuff. But then obviously when

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Speaker 1: he came down, you know, I mean, we had we

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Speaker 1: had some unbelievably talented players, and at Miami, obviously he

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Speaker 1: started six games for US and played a lot as

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Speaker 1: a true freshman we beat the number ten Georgia Tech

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Speaker 1: in the Gator Bowl. But then the next three years

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Speaker 1: Super Games. I mean, Kenny's been in some unbelievable games

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Speaker 1: from a collegiate standpoint, beating the number one team Florida

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Speaker 1: State and beating the number two team Virginia Tech. And

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Speaker 1: we beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl. The next year

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Speaker 1: they win the national championships, winning in the Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 1: The next year they should have won the National Championship,

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Speaker 1: they kind of got a little bit hosed on the deal,

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Speaker 1: but they played in the Fiesta Bowl. So from a

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Speaker 1: career from a collegiate standpoint, he had unbelievable background from that.

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Speaker 1: But then he got a chance to get into coaching

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League after he played with the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers and the Browns, and he got into

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl fifty for the Carolina Panthers. And so

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Speaker 1: when you look at his resume, there's so many great

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Speaker 1: things that Kenny's been involved in. And one year that

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Speaker 1: he was out of coaching from the Carolina Panthers, he

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Speaker 1: came to FIU while I was there, and both of

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Speaker 1: us probably had one of the happiness times that we've

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Speaker 1: had from a collegiate standpoint that we both beat the

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Speaker 1: University of Miami, which FIU should never beat the University

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Speaker 1: manor there's no way, but we upset them. We beat

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Speaker 1: him and uh and you know, and Kenny was a

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Speaker 1: big deal. We had a quarterback, James Morgan. It was

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Speaker 1: the fourth round draft choice of the Jets, and and

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Speaker 1: he really truly helped James his mentality. And so you'll

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Speaker 1: learn from a head coaching standpoint. You watch him and

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Speaker 1: you see, you know, how meticulous he is, how smart

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Speaker 1: he is, how creative he is. And I think you

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Speaker 1: know his playing you know, the years in college, you

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Speaker 1: know he was surrounded with you know, Jeremy Shockey and

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Speaker 1: Kelln Winslow, and he had all the great wide receivers

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Speaker 1: or Edgy Wayne and stuff. And the thing that you

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Speaker 1: watch him as a play caller, he's going to find

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Speaker 1: ways to help Josh, you know, who's one of the

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Speaker 1: best absolute quarterbacks in the national football They're gonna find

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Speaker 1: ways to get the ball in the hands of the

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Speaker 1: guys that can help win games. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are kind of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's never been a coordinator before and stuff, But he's

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Speaker 1: going to do a great job. He'll he'll he'll really

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Speaker 1: get a great offensive, you know, game plans every single week.

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Speaker 1: What about his ability to yah because you've seen him

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Speaker 1: as a you saw him as a play as well,

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Speaker 1: But then when he moved up to the coaching what

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Speaker 1: kind of I mean is he you know, he kind

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Speaker 1: of strikes us. You know that you always get these

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Speaker 1: thoughts about coaches being kind of grinders as they repair.

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Speaker 1: What kind of how does that? You know, what kind

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Speaker 1: of does he bring to the preparation process for his

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Speaker 1: players and his teammates and his coaching staff. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: see that's a great question because I think if you

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Speaker 1: go back and you look at the guys that he

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Speaker 1: played with collegiately. I mean, you're talking about two or

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Speaker 1: three first round draft choices at running back and Reggie

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Speaker 1: Wayne and Andre Johnson, Santana Moss and all of these guys.

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Speaker 1: They were unbelievably high profile players, but they had great

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Speaker 1: respect for Kenny. They knew what a grinder he was,

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Speaker 1: how much he watched film, and then when he was

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Speaker 1: on the field, they listened to him. And I think

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Speaker 1: that that's one of the things that the players at Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: they're going to understand that he is going to turn

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Speaker 1: over every single rock to try to find a way

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Speaker 1: to win every single game and get the ball in

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Speaker 1: the hands of guys and cut out all the bad things,

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Speaker 1: the things that can where you can lose games, protections

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Speaker 1: and turnovers and those kind of things. And because the

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Speaker 1: one thing about Kenny that was really, you know, impressive

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Speaker 1: to me coming from high school into college was how smart.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he learned our pro offensive almost immediately. And

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Speaker 1: as a true freshman when you come in and you

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Speaker 1: can play with all of those guys, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: as a true freshman, you get a lot of respect.

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Speaker 1: What was it, Coach about his makeup that made him

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Speaker 1: so good in those high pressure situations even as a

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Speaker 1: young player, You know, I think it's poise, and I

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Speaker 1: think I think he has an awful lot of confidence

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Speaker 1: that he knows how much film that he's studied, He

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Speaker 1: knew the game planning, knew exactly what needed to be done,

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Speaker 1: and he knows I mean, there's there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I've seen in all the years that I

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Speaker 1: spend it with the Dallas Cowboys and the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: and Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and all that, and you see

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Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks that they don't know the difference

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Speaker 1: between what are great plays and what are game and

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Speaker 1: what are plays that you're trying to make that can

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Speaker 1: lose the game. And I think that Kenny can do

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Speaker 1: a great job. I mean, he's he just got a

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Speaker 1: super quarterback with Josh Allen, and I think that they'll

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00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: be able to communicate and they'll be able to talk

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Speaker 1: after every single possession on the sidelines and obviously the

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Speaker 1: week leading up to the games and stuff. I think

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Speaker 1: that they'll they'll click. I mean, Kenny's not one of

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Speaker 1: those guys that's going to like lose his mind. I

637
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: mean sometimes you see coaches that are just you know,

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00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: they're throwing their headphunds are all mad, they're upset, and

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00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: they destroy the mentality that a quarterback needs to be

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Speaker 1: during the course of a game. What would you if

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Speaker 1: you had a guess now, because we haven't seen it yet,

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Speaker 1: just describe, give a description of what you think Kenny

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Speaker 1: Dorsey's offense will be. I mean, what do you think

644
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Speaker 1: give it a personality? From this senator? Well, again, I

645
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: haven't studied Buffalo's you know, I watched a little bit

646
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: of the one of the preseason games of the night.

647
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: And I know that, you know, I mean, I just

648
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: think that Kenny's smart enough and the things that I've

649
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: seen him do when he was at Miami and then

650
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: obviously at Carolina. What can the quarterback do? Don't ask

651
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback to do things? Well, Josh can do just

652
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: about everything. So and then what's the supporting deal. They've

653
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: got a great running back, the singletary kid from FAU.

654
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: I mean, their kid's electric and he can make plays.

655
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: So they're gonna find ways to run the ball, play

656
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: action pass, They're gonna get explosive plays with good wide

657
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: receivers and stuff. One of the things that you know,

658
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: and I don't know much about the tight ends and

659
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: the h backs at Buffalo, but I know this that

660
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: you know at Miami he was surrounded by guys like

661
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: Jeremy Shockey and a lot of really great tight end

662
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: players and killing Winslow junior. And so you know, if

663
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: they have that the he'll find ways to get all

664
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: of those and personnel groupings to make them a big

665
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: part of the game plans every single Sunday. Knowing how

666
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: smart he was from an early age, coach did you

667
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: ever envisioned, even back then, that he's probably going to

668
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: be a coach someday? Was that a thought they crossed

669
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: your mind even way back then. Yeah, you kind of

670
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: like a lot of the kids that I had, you'd go,

671
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: you know what, if they ever do get in coach,

672
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: and they're going to be really good, you know, because

673
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: of the way in which that they you know, you

674
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: know how kids relate to not only the coaches, but

675
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: how do they relate to their teammates, you know, and

676
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: when you step in the huddle and you're standing in

677
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: the huddle and and you know there's seven other guys

678
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: in the home that are going to be first round

679
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: draft choices, and you can get those guys to play

680
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: to the highest level. He ought to be a coach,

681
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: you know. I mean we had, you know, Bryan McKinney,

682
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: the left tackle. We had some great players in the

683
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: offensive line and the receivers. But they honest to god,

684
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: they really truly they respected Kenny the way that he

685
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: practiced and the way they knew he was going to

686
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: be prepared, and they trusted him that on Saturday when

687
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: it was time to show up. I mean, his record

688
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: is thirty eight and two. So that's a pretty good record.

689
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: They know he's going to do what it takes to

690
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: win the game. What do you think about when he'd

691
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: come off the field as a quarterback? What was his

692
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 1: demeanor like when things were I didn't go very bad

693
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: for him and very much at Miami. What kind of

694
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: guy was he? Between series? And as you know, as

695
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: with his teammates, that kind of stuff on the sidewalk,

696
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: he wanted to know exactly what was going on. I mean,

697
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: he would come to the sidelines, there'd be a you know,

698
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: Larry Coker, who was the offensive coordinator, and you know

699
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I had hired him and Larry and I had been

700
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: together at Oklahoma State with Jimmy Johnson and they had

701
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: a good communication. On the sideline, asked you, Okay, how

702
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: did you see this? Are they doing exactly what we

703
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: saw on the film and preparation because all the good

704
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: teams they're gonna throw wrinkles and they're gonna whether it's disguises,

705
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna show you a certain coverage and then as

706
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: the time comes down or as motion happens or a shifts,

707
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna change things. And so you know, Kenny, are

708
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: you on the same page. Did you see it the

709
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: same way that we did? Yeah, we did, and whatever.

710
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: And again we'd go back to the idea that Kenny

711
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: was smart and and so he has the ability to

712
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: immediately change things in his mind. Okay, hey, we thought

713
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: that they were going to do this. If we got

714
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: into trips, they're gonna play this. They did. Okay, well,

715
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: now your reads are gonna be this, this, and this.

716
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: We're gonna change it to that. And so I think

717
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: that's one of the really really good things about being

718
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: a smart quarterback. I've been blessed. I mean with the

719
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: coaching career. Obviously at Miami is an assistant coach. We

720
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: had Bernie Coozar and Dinny tested Bernie and Steve Walsh.

721
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: We had all kinds of quarterbacks at Oklahoma State and stuff.

722
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: And the guy that was probably somewhat similar to Kenny

723
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: as a player was probably Bernie Kozar. I mean, he

724
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: was a brilliant, smart guy. And and you know, you

725
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: didn't matter what you showed up you wanted to. If

726
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: you said they're going to always play cover two on

727
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: this down a distance and they played something else, it

728
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: didn't make a difference. He knew how to read things

729
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: and get the ball the things, and I think that

730
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: that's what Kenny's going to be able to do. You know,

731
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: with Josh, I got to get your take on this coach,

732
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: because coach Dorsey is still going through the decision on

733
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: whether to be upstairs or down on the sidelines as

734
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: the coordinator. He spent most of the preseason upstairs because

735
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: he spent most of his coaching career on the sideline,

736
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: so he's familiar with that. But when we ask his players,

737
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, no, he's got to go up in

738
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: the booth. He's too hyper competitive. He's gonna go nuts

739
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. We can't have him bed cussing out

740
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: an official or something. Or have you ever seen the

741
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: hyper competitive, excitable side of Ken. Yeah, I've seen that.

742
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: I've seen it in scrimmages. I've seen it in games.

743
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: I've seen it in preparation for high profile games when

744
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: we played Virginia Tech in Florida State and Florida and

745
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: those teams and stuff like that. But I will tell

746
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: you I'm gonna be on the same side as the

747
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: as the players. I love for the coordinators, especially to

748
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: be in the press box for all the years that

749
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: I was a head coach and all the years that

750
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: I was with Jimmy Johnson. You know, the coordinators are

751
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: up there because you get great vision, You get a

752
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: chance to see everything. You got all the you know,

753
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity to you see things immediately before the balls

754
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: ever snapped. You get all the you know, it's such

755
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: a better view being up there than it is being

756
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: down on the sidelines. I know that there's a lot

757
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: of guys that they want to be down there to

758
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: make calls or they want to you know, if you

759
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 1: don't have somebody that can that can communicate and talk

760
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: to the players, uh, you know, then that's a different story.

761
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: We're sometimes maybe a defensive coordinator being on the sidelines

762
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: because they need to make adjustments with the front seven

763
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: or the back seven, and they can't get it done

764
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: from the press box. But Jimmy Johnson just believed, and

765
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: we had guys somebody, We had North Turner, Ernie Zaps,

766
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: We had some unbelievable great offensive coordinators. And I set

767
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: in the press box with them up there, and you

768
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: love being there watching how they saw things, and they

769
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: knew immediately the very next possession we got to change this.

770
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: We got to do this well, which I can't tell

771
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: you how much we appreciate you coming on. Everybody's very

772
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: curious about about Kenny how he's gonna do it. In fact,

773
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: you and Leslie Frasier, the defensive coordina, are the first

774
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: people we call have ever called him Kenny. Everybody up

775
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: here is Ken, you know, so yeah, wee. You know,

776
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: if you knew familiar, Yeah, if you knew him since

777
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: he was seventeen years old, you'd played call him Kenny.

778
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: You know, I guess the thanks, but we appreciate your time.

779
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: You bet, guys, great to visit with you and tuck Kenny.

780
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: We will definitely do that. Thanks. Coach that's uh former

781
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: a long time college coach and NFL coach Push Davis

782
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: joining us here. We have to take a break. We'll

783
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,760
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788
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790
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: about you. I'm pretty fired up about that me. I

791
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: gotta be honest. I gotta be honest. Snap Dragon like it.

792
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: It's a snappy name for sure. Yeah. I didn't get

793
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to you about this, Steve, but

794
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: preseason game number three, and I don't know if you

795
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: saw this, but the guys at NFL dot com they

796
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: picked half a dozen rookies who they believe could make

797
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase like impact in their rookie season. I'm gonna

798
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: give you the guys they have on the list. You

799
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: tell me what you think, all right, Go Kenny Pikett,

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00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: Steelers QB, Chris Lave Saints wide receiver, Drake London Falcons

801
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: wide out, Romeo Doubs, Packers wide out, and James Cook

802
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: Bills running back. Which one of those guys do you

803
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: think has the best shot to have Jamar Chase like

804
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: impact this year? I like Chris Alavy. Yeah, that was

805
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: gonna be my pick too. Yeah, he's I liked him

806
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: coming out, and he wasn't available when the Bills picked.

807
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know that the Bills were going to

808
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: go to that position anyway, given the strength of that

809
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: spot for everybody already. But he can play. That kid

810
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: can play. I don't know where who picked him. I

811
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: can't even remember now the Saints. Yeah, that may be

812
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: a problem. And I don't know how how much Jamis

813
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: Winston and you know, Dennis Allen are gonna be able

814
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: to mimic what Sean Payton did with the offense of

815
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: the Saints. But I think that it can really play.

816
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: And of course James Cook has been my dark horse

817
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: for this, you know, for this team as well. James,

818
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: James just gonna play some tonight. It'll be interesting to

819
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: see how long he goes. He's gonna start and running

820
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: back for the Bills third preseason game. Yeah, that's an

821
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: interesting move by the by the team. I mean, I

822
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: don't think there's a question he's gonna be on the

823
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: fifty three. There's got to be a reason why he's

824
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: out there. So it's not all probably not all led

825
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: great of a reason. I don't know. I'm interested to

826
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: see this. I'm sure Black Shear is gonna get a

827
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: ton of reps as well. We'll just watch how it goes.

828
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, James Cook, I've said from the beginning, you

829
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: and I both I thought this guy was gonna be

830
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: a difference maker for this club. We'll see if if

831
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: indeed he gets some touches tonight and we can see

832
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: some more of that. The reason a Lobby makes sense

833
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: to me is at worst, he's going to be their

834
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: number two receiver down there, and if Michael Thomas is healthy,

835
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna draw a lot of the attention. And then

836
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: you're playing with a veteran quarterback in Winston, who granted

837
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: is coming off a knee injury, but you know he

838
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: knows what he's looking at and he's had some good

839
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: early chemistry with a lave who is a precise route runner.

840
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: So I think the upside there is good. Drake London,

841
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: I worry about the quarterback throwing to him, which looks

842
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: like it's going to be Marcus Mariota. I mean, Dallas

843
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: could have some success in Green Bay, you know, knowing

844
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: that that wide receiving corps has been thinned out somewhat.

845
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, Davante Adams isn't there anymore, and neither is

846
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: Marquez Valdez Scandling. So there are opportunities to be had

847
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: there if you can prove yourself worthy. As we heard

848
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers so eloquently state just last week, Cook would

849
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: have to kind of zoom to the top of the

850
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: pecking order at running back, I think to match what

851
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: I believe the Lava is capable of. I forgot to

852
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: list the last guy, Trayvon Walker, the number one pick

853
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: in the draft, the pass rusher from Jacksonville. The interesting

854
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: thing about Trayvon Walker is, you know, the guy on

855
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: the other side, their pass rusher, Josh Allen, is going

856
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: to demand a lot of attention over there. So he's

857
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: almost going to be in like a Greg Rousseau situation

858
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: here in Buffalo with Von Miller on the other side.

859
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: And so you wonder, with the physical skill set that

860
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker brings to the table, might he have opportunities

861
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: to load up on sacks not unlike the way Micah

862
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: Parsons did last year. Yeah. Absolutely, And it's going to

863
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: be interesting because I think Jacksonville is going to be

864
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: significantly better than they were a year ago. I think

865
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be the fourth place team in that

866
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: division anymore, right Houston might be. I think they're gonna

867
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: be in a tussle with Tennessee. I think they can

868
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: give Tennessee a run for their money this year, and

869
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: I still think I think with a lot of people,

870
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: I think Indianapolis is the team to beat in that division,

871
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: even with a brand new quarterback. Again, I don't think

872
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: that's gonna call them to you know, falter at all.

873
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm not really sold on Indianapolis's top wide receivers, but

874
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: their running game is legit and their quarterbacks legit still,

875
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: so I think Indianapolis is gonna be a good team,

876
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: but I think Jacksonville is gonna be significantly better, and

877
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: a large reason guy like Trayvon Walker going along on

878
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: the other side of Josh Allen. You know another guy

879
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: on that list that you read to me, Kenny Pickett.

880
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by him, certainly. He splashed in his first

881
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: preseason game when he came in, ran around and made

882
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: some plays and did some things that the Pittsburgh Steelers

883
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: team and organization franchise hasn't seen in the last ten years.

884
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: From Ben Roethlisberger. Mike Tomlins said that Mitch Trubisky is

885
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna start this preseason game. I don't know if that's

886
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: a good thing or a bad thing for the Steelers

887
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: or for what it says about their quarterback comp petition

888
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: where the Kenny Picket is being saved. We'll have to

889
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: see if he plays in the game and how much

890
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: that is and how much Trubisky plays. But I think

891
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's going to be a significantly better squad. They you know,

892
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: they're Mike Tomlin is a really good coach, and they

893
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: maximize their roster, and they've got over the last three

894
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: years the guy that's got more sacks than anybody and

895
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: T J. Watt. They got some guys defensively, and I

896
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: think offensively they'll find some help as well. So I

897
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: think Kenny pickt if depending on how this plays out,

898
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: if he plays for Pittsburgh, he wins this contest, you know.

899
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know that he's going to. Yeah, I

900
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: don't know how that's going to play out. It's interesting

901
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: that you mentioned Jacksonville because I picked them to be

902
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: my most improved team this year. Wouldn't be surprised if

903
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: we see that. But yeah, Picket's got to get on

904
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: the field, and does it happen. I suppose you can

905
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: make the argument that as soon as Trubisky struggles for

906
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: a week or two, they may turn the page and

907
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: put put the kid In when that happens, though, is

908
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: going to be critical in terms of him even being

909
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: a factor on this list here. All right, good discussion

910
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: on that. I was just curious what your thoughts were.

911
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: We have to take a break here, but when we

912
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna be talking a little bit more

913
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: Bill's Panthers with Panthers radio color analyst Jim's Oki. He's

914
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: gonna be joining us next, kind of give us the lowdown.

915
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: We know Baker Mayfield is starting the game and most

916
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: of the starters will play into the second quarter. We

917
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: want to know what goes on after that. Jim's Oki

918
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: will help us out with that when we return here

919
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: on one Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to Health, It's

920
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio at a Steve Tasker who has been

921
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: all over the field. Kind of unique. He was of

922
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: a dual role player for you, Steve a blimp. We're

923
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: not even in the strated here of normalcy here. All right,

924
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: welcome to our number two here on a Friday. Chris Brown,

925
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: Steve Paster with you, and we're joined now by radio

926
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: color analysts for the Caroline of Banters also the radio

927
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: sports director there in Charlotte, for w BT Radio. It

928
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: is Jim Zokie joining us. Jim, thanks for giving us

929
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: some time, especially on a game day. Appreciate it. We

930
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: know this much, Jim. You know we heard coach rules

931
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: say starters are gonna play. They didn't play last week,

932
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: so it only makes sense that they'll get their final

933
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: dress rehearsal in here saying that, you know, Baker and

934
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: the starters could go into the second quarter depending on

935
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: how the game unfolds, how many possessions they get and whatnot.

936
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: What do what does this offense and Baker need to show.

937
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: Do you think this coaching staff to prove they're ready

938
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: for the regular season. Yeah, I think for this one, Chris,

939
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: like you said, to play into the second quarter with

940
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: the starters that will play in this game. And you know,

941
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot of it is just self scouting, honestly. It's

942
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: a lot of just you know, things that you need

943
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: to do as a team to get the clock right,

944
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: to have smooth operations. It's mundane stuff that fans play

945
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about, but you know, getting

946
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: it out of the huddle, get everyone a set right,

947
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, making changes, those kind of things. Baker's only

948
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: played one series of in game football. He didn't play

949
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: last week starters in play last week against New England.

950
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: He played the first series against Washington, had the joint

951
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: practice sessions where they got a lot of work in

952
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: of course with the New England before that, but this

953
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: will be only the second series that he goes out

954
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: there as a quarterback, and he was just named the

955
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: starter this past Monday, so this is his first week

956
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: of taking all the reps in practice with the first team,

957
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: So it's a chance to kind of put all that

958
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: together on the field and see what it looks like

959
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: under some live fire from a million miles away, like

960
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: we are up here in Buffalo World, Things World Things,

961
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills all the time. What has the competition between

962
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield looked like? And was it

963
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: a surprise that Baker got the job and did people

964
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: see it coming? How did it transpire And give us

965
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: a little synopsis of the timeline of when the decision

966
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: was made and what it looked like it was going

967
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, Steve, I think they tried to make

968
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: it a fair competition and they really split the reps

969
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: right down the middle during the practice sessions during the

970
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: first game, even against Washington when they both played. So

971
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: I think they gave Sam a fair shot. He's the

972
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: incumbent here, but Baker was brid in for a reason.

973
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: And I think when they made that trade, which was

974
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: after all the spring football took place already, that the

975
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: feeling was that, you know, Baker, baring something unforeseen, would

976
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: win the job. He's a smart guy. He's taking this

977
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: offense quickly. It's a new offense for everybody with Ben

978
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: McAdoo here as the offensive coordinator. Of course, Sam Darnold

979
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: had the ability to have it during the spring, it

980
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: was part of the team last year, obviously after three

981
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: years with the Jets, But for Baker, it's been really

982
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: taking it in quickly, trying to learn it, and I

983
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: think for him it felt like this was the way

984
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: it was going to go. But I think they did

985
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: try to make it a fair competition, and until Monday

986
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't announce that. And now he's taking all the reps

987
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: and we'll see what that looks like now moving forward

988
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: with him playing all the first team reps, what younger

989
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: players on the roster, Jim have kind of maybe opened

990
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: some eyes. I know Coach was speaking favorably of shy Smith,

991
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: the second year receiver. But who would be on that

992
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: list of pleasant surprises Young players that look like they're

993
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: going to make bigger contributions for the Panthers this year

994
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: than maybe people thought, Yeah, stick with wide receiver. Shy

995
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Smith is a good one there because he didn't do

996
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: much as a rookie last year. He's a sixth round

997
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: pick out of South Carolina, but he has really earned

998
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: it in practice and made plays, and he's a guy

999
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: that is pushing for a starting job. It's Dj Moore,

1000
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: it's Robbie Anderson, but you know the three receiver set.

1001
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: Things like that. Shy Smith will probably play a lot

1002
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: tonight in this game. I think it's it's important time

1003
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: right now for Terris Marshall. He was a second round

1004
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: pick last year of LSU. So when he has been

1005
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: healthy and he's been dealing with a hamstring off and on,

1006
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: he has been dynamic out there. It's just he only

1007
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: has seventeen catches last year as a rookie. Heel he's

1008
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: expected to play tonight. So I think in terms of

1009
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: watching the game, watching eighty eight, watching twelve, those are

1010
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: two guys who keep an eye on out there. I'll

1011
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: be interested to see since we've had this new coaching regime,

1012
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: the tight end has not been involved. Now on a

1013
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: second offensive coordinator, you know we'll been back and you

1014
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: get some like Tommy Trembull, the second year player involved

1015
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: with the offense. And again where I can see a

1016
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: ton of anything tonight, but that'll be interesting to watch

1017
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: and see how he does in this offense. And devil

1018
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: will wats what I does left tackle on a NC

1019
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: State their top pick, he was the sixth overall pick

1020
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: in the draft. He had some struggles in the past

1021
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: protection last week against New England. We'll see what he

1022
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: can do. Obviously moving forward getting ready, he is the starter.

1023
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: So he's got week one with Miles Garrett there and

1024
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: then quickly on defense, a guy Tay Hayes on Appalachian State.

1025
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: He just got here about three weeks ago, but he's

1026
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: turned heads as a smaller cornerback that makes plays. He

1027
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: had to pick six last week in the Panthers game

1028
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: against New England. So he's a guy right now trying

1029
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: to earn a roster spot in the truest sense. How

1030
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: that front seven looking for Carolina and you know pastors

1031
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: they run that they still run the four three defense.

1032
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: Who are some standouts there and who's going to be

1033
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: their main pass rusher sack getter this year? Yeah, you

1034
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: know the main guys Brian Burns and he went to

1035
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl last year. He's had nine sacks each

1036
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: the last two years. But he lost his other tag

1037
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: team partner on the on the other side with Hassan

1038
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: Reddick with Philadelphia now, so a little bit by committee

1039
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: as far as getting the edge rusher on the other

1040
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: side down Utur Russ Mottos in his third year on

1041
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: the Penn State will be a guy that will be

1042
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: the first in line. But Marcus Haynes is a veteran

1043
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: Mary Barno six round pick they drafted on Virginia Tech

1044
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: this year are right now. Those guys, but would not

1045
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: be surprised as far as talking about that position if

1046
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: they're not very active when pat when they make roster

1047
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: cutdowns around the league to bring in another pass rusher.

1048
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: And in the middle too. We got Derek Brown and

1049
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: Matt Iinitis in the middle there, but not a lot

1050
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: of depths behind them. So if there's not so much

1051
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: a concern, but a place where you probably will see

1052
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: some movement once the roster. Cutcher made around the league's

1053
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 1: probably defensive line, but linebacker looks good. Front seven taught

1054
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: a Shack Thompson back for another year's it's like his

1055
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: eighth year with the Panthers. Obviously they brought into veterans

1056
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: with Damian Wilson, Corey Littleton. They'll see a lot of

1057
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: time with Frankie Luvu. So linebacker is pretty well set.

1058
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: But to that defensive front four is probably for the

1059
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: most opportunity outside of Brian Burns lace And how about

1060
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: our old friend Andre Roberts still doing at age thirty four?

1061
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: Is he safe on the roster or Mike shy Smith

1062
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: like kind of contend with him for return duties? How

1063
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: does that competition shake out? Now? They've really made an

1064
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: emphasis this year on special teams. Bridan Chris Tabor is

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00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: the special team's coordinator, and they've got guys that are

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00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: veteran at all the positions there. So Andre Roberts with

1067
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: his Repro Bowl appearances, is a guy that'll be the

1068
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: kick in the punt returner and then you have some

1069
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: depths behind him. But as special teams are a strong

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00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: point of emphasis for this team, so you know they're

1071
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: going you know not so much developmental there, but with

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00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: what they know j. J. Jansen, long snapper his fifteen

1073
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: years in the league. They brought in Johnny Hecker from

1074
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: the Rams. Of course, one of the great punters on

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00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: their Old Decade team from the last year, Zane Gonzalez,

1076
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: a veteran. It's been around for five years. So it's

1077
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: a pretty veteran crew as far as the frontline, guys

1078
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: that real battles are the core, like the coverage, those

1079
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: kind of teams, and those players will decide to last

1080
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: two spots on the roster. But Andrea bus say, at

1081
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: this point Matt Rule entering his third season with the team,

1082
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: and he has tinkered with his coaching staff a little

1083
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: bit too. Joe Brady now with the Buffalo Bills, was

1084
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: the OC last year. Gotta let go midway through the season.

1085
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: Even guys like Ken Dorsey, who has been in Carolina

1086
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: has now as the OCT at Buffalo. What about Matt

1087
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: Rule and tinkering with the staff getting things just right?

1088
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: How is his program taking hold? And how much how

1089
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: many strides do you think they've made this offseason? Yeah,

1090
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: so it's a lot more veteran staff this year, in particular,

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00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: it's very collegiate staff when he came aboard from Baylor,

1092
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of those were tied to the college game,

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00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: including Joe Brady who mostly was a college coach at

1094
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 1: the LSU, and some others stops. But now we've mentioned

1095
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: Ben mckag who's been a head coach in this league.

1096
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: He's the offensive coordinator. Chris Paper is a special team's coordinator.

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: I think he's got fifteen years in the NFL, let

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00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: alone college. Beyond that, Steve Wilkes's back for a second

1099
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: time with the Panthers as a secondary coach. And this

1100
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: was a guy that was a head coach with Arizona

1101
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: didn't get much of a look. I got one year

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00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: there and that really was a good situation. I don't

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: think he got a good look as far as being

1104
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: fair out in Arizona when he got that opportunity out there.

1105
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: Paul Pascaloney for his tons of experience, your syric. These

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: people know all about him as the defensive line coach.

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00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: And then bringing in James Campen, who was so well

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00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: respected as an offensive line coach long time with the

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00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. These are veteran guys that either positions

1110
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: or his former head coaches, longtime college coaches bring a

1111
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: lot more experience and some more eyes and ears that

1112
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: weren't here in the past, Jim, we know that Christian

1113
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: McCaffrey is more than capable of being a focal point

1114
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: of an offense from a talent standpoint, but we know

1115
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: that injuries have been a persistent issue for him in

1116
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: his young career in the past two years. Has coach

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01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Rule entertained any thought of, I guess, scaling back his

1118
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: workload to kind of preserve him, so to speak, especially

1119
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: knowing now that you're dealing with a seventeen game season.

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Speaker 1: He's not gigantic in stature, and I'm just thinking about

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01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: where and tear here. Has he entertained those kinds of thoughts?

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01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: Has he been asked about that. I'm just curious what

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Speaker 1: he's mentioned, if anything, at all, about McCaffrey's workload going forward. Yeah. See,

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Speaker 1: as far as what's been going on in his career.

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Speaker 1: In the first three years, he was healthy and put

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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: up incredible numbers. In the last two years, it's been

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01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: one injury after another. They've hit early, But the good

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01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: news about the injuries is that's been stuff has been

1129
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: soft tissue injuries things that will shut him down for

1130
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: a period of time as he enters this season. Right now,

1131
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: he's completely healthy, so nothing carry overwise from that. But

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01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: they've not practiced him more than two days in a

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01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: row during this whole training camp. If he goes two

1134
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: days in a row, he doesn't practice the third day

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01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: even this week, so they've certainly, you know, limited those

1136
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: those touches and reps in practice. He did take a

1137
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: big part in those joint practice sessions with New England.

1138
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: You probably saw last week there was a fight that

1139
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,959
Speaker 1: actually involved mccaffre getting knocked down to the ground and

1140
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: that's where that one major incident happened on the sidelines

1141
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: against New England. So he practiced his heart when he's

1142
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: out there. But I do think they're monitoring that. They

1143
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: did bring in Daza Foreman, who's a bigger, bruiser running

1144
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: back who was the backup for Derrick Henry with Tennessee

1145
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: last year. Chuba Hubbards in his second year. His style

1146
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: and speed kind of more replicated than the type of

1147
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: player that McCaffrey is. So there's there's three backs there.

1148
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: In fullback Gio Ricci, where in theory McCaffrey shouldn't have

1149
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: to touch the ball as much. But you know, when

1150
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: you get into a game and you're competitive and he's

1151
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: your best player and your best player by far, you know,

1152
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: it's it's hard not to give them the ball twenty

1153
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: five to thirty times in regular season games. So hopefully,

1154
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's what's going to happen on Sundays and

1155
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: they just kind of monitor him during the week and

1156
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: let him recover and get healthy for the next one.

1157
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: And what the expectations for the fan base here in

1158
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: Carolina and also within the building for inside their own

1159
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: division with you know, Atlanta seeming Lena rebuild, New Orleans

1160
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: with a head coaching change, and of course Tampa Bay

1161
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: standing there as a perennial playoff team. What do you

1162
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: what are the expectations for how things might change this

1163
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: year for the Panthers. You know, it's it's your three

1164
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: of this regime, and they've won five games each of

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01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: the last three years, two under Matt rule and the

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: last year of Ron Rivera being here. So yeah, that's

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01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: not a lot of wins per season when you get

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Speaker 1: five each year, and so this year the expectation is

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Speaker 1: to be a playoff contender. You know, if you bake

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01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that's obviously the goal. But I think if

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Speaker 1: they take big strides towards being a team that at

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Speaker 1: least is in the fight to the last game or

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01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: two to get a playoff spot, I think that would

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01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: at least satisfy people that progress is being made. And

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Speaker 1: you know it, really it's gonna be intriguing as watching

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: you know what happens at quarterback. Baker Mayfield of course,

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01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold are both in the final years of

1178
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: their contracts, and you want to think, you know, Donald

1179
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: Canada to come back. You know Baker iff he plays well,

1180
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: do you bring him back? And then you have the

1181
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: rookie Matt Carows out for the season with the Liz

1182
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: Frank foot injury, so he'll not play at all this year.

1183
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: You hurt last week. You know, what does quarterback look

1184
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: like beyond this season? So they'll get some answers this year,

1185
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: but they've also got some big question marks probably around

1186
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: the end of the year about what to do moving

1187
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: forward with the most important position. What is what are

1188
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: the fan expectations in terms of where Carolina can realistically finish.

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01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: Tampa's still seems to be the top dog in the division.

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: But we know that Atlanta's kind of in a stop

1191
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: gap quarterback mode with Marcus Mariota there. Jamis Winston's coming

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01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: off a major injury. Down in New Orleans. They've got

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Speaker 1: a new head coach, although he's been there before as

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01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. What are the expectations for the division

1195
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: race here? You know, as far as just on sports talk,

1196
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: it was bannered around for numbers. You hear anything from

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Speaker 1: six wins to nine wins. Probably obviously with the seventeen

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Speaker 1: game schedule, get to nine and eight gives you a

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Speaker 1: chance to compete and be in a playoff spot possibly there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Atlanta's a young team that's looks like

1201
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: they got a waste to go. They're trying to figure

1202
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: out their quarterback positions. So AMPA's fans probably feel like

1203
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: they're better than at Anna. New Orleans a little bit

1204
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: of a wild card, as you said, because Jameis Winston

1205
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: played very well with Sean Payton there last year prior

1206
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: to his early season injury. You know, what does that

1207
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: look like with Dennis Allen and a different coaching staff

1208
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: down there was a Sean Payton magic or is that

1209
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston's turned to corner. You know their defense will

1210
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: be good. Obviously, I got some great skill players there,

1211
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: so you know, deutely chasing Tampa Bay are all three

1212
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: of those teams, and then you know, will it be

1213
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Speaker 1: Carolina or will it be New Orleans. It's probably the

1214
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: thinking heading in right now with the expectation that the

1215
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: Panthers could finish ahead of the Atlanta Falcons. What was

1216
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: the most stark difference in your offense once Joe Brady

1217
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: was out and the new guy came in. What's what's

1218
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: going to be different and what has been the personality

1219
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: of the new offensive coordinator? You know, they want to

1220
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: be a little out old school. I think I won't

1221
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: be physical, and they want to have success for running

1222
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: the football, and I think that that's probably the biggest

1223
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: change overall. Is more of an emphasis on that you've

1224
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: got Christie McCaffrey healthy now, which you didn't have last year,

1225
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: but you got that again, bruising kind of a running

1226
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: back in Deonta Foreman out there, so I expect them

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01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: to try behind it again. We haven't mentioned as line

1228
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: beyond iky Aquana who they brought an Austin Corbett from

1229
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: the Rams Bradley Bozeman's hurt right now, but he's a

1230
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: big option at center. You know, Taylor Moten has been

1231
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: their study at right tackle. He's got the long term

1232
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: contract here, so now you've got some pieces there to

1233
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: complete an offensive line. We probably Brady Christiansen at left

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01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: guard that should be able to hold it up and run.

1235
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: Ikey Aquana should be really kind of elite in the

1236
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: run game at left tackle. Once he gets out there,

1237
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,959
Speaker 1: has everything completely under control. Star is knowing what rookie

1238
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: needs to know, so that should provide a better chance

1239
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: to run the ball. And then with that, you know,

1240
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: we've not use a tight end much. Getting the tight

1241
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: ends involved and then being able to take your shots

1242
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: down to the field. You Ben mcado is a guy

1243
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: that wants to take deep shots and they've done that

1244
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: in practice at times. And they've got speed guys Robbie

1245
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: Anderson can take the top off of the defense, and

1246
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: they've got some other speed guys that can get out

1247
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: there and do the same. So they'll open up when

1248
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: they want to. But I think they probably the biggest

1249
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: characteristic is being a physical team that can run the ball,

1250
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: not turn the ball over. And then when the opportunities

1251
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: are there, you know, take your shots. As opposed to

1252
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: Joe Brady, I think it was a little bit more

1253
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: that first year. DJ More and Robbie Anderson both had

1254
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: over one thousand yards receiving. I think it was a

1255
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: little bit more wide open that first year with Teddy Bridgewater.

1256
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be probably dialed down a little

1257
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: bit and a little bit more conservative with this look. Jim,

1258
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: thanks for the time. We appreciate you kind of getting

1259
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: us up to speed on the Panthers for tonight's game.

1260
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you down the line. Enjoy the season.

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01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: That's good. Thanks guys. All right, that's Jim Zoki joining

1262
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: us here on One Bills Live in advance of tonight's

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01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: preseason game that gets started down there in Charlotte. Kickoff

1264
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: is what is it seven o'clock tonight, Steve, I can't

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01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: even remember. I think it's a seven pm. Yeah, seven

1266
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: pm kickoff. I'm in this hotel room weight in marking time.

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01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: I think we'll probably have there's nothing to do, so

1268
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: you got to kind of I'll probably head over about

1269
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 1: four o'clock for this game, yeah, and start getting ready

1270
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: for the broadcast. Obviously, a lot going on we have

1271
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: to talk about. But yeah, it's just it's smoking hot

1272
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: in Carolina, Oh is it? And oh my gosh, yeah,

1273
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: you need gills to breathe down here. Oh wow, So

1274
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: it's like sticky hot. Yeah, that's yeah. Just stay inside,

1275
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: are you guys? Usually for your final preseason telecast, you

1276
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: guys get a visit from GM Brandon being Is that

1277
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: going to happen again tonight in the second half. Don't know,

1278
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: don't know with uh, yeah, you can imagine things are

1279
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of a mass right now, right with

1280
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: what's going on off the field, So don't know if

1281
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: if we're gonna get him or not. I think there's

1282
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: gonna be some at least some public more than the

1283
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: statement they've already given. I think we're gonna get some

1284
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: of that maybe this afternoon. There you know, obviously there's

1285
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: a lot of media here and these guys are moving

1286
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: around in it. So I think there's probably gonna be

1287
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: something that's that some questions answered today at least maybe

1288
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: coming up, So that may change things for us in

1289
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: our broadcast. We'll see. It's it's a little influxed because

1290
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: this the matter rise issue. Gott dropped kind of into

1291
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: everybody's lap late yesterday. So I think they're still dealing

1292
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: with the shock of that and what's going to happen

1293
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: as a result of it. Going back to this matchup

1294
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: with the Panthers, I think the thing that struck me

1295
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: about Jim's characterization of their offense is the lack of

1296
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: involvement with a tight end. Now, you got to have

1297
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: one to involve one, but it kind of makes me

1298
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: harken back to the fact that, you know, Matt Rule

1299
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: is a former college coach, and there aren't too many

1300
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: offenses in college football that involve a tight end all

1301
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: that much. And I wonder if that's just the transition

1302
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: that he's made from the college game. And I know

1303
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: they drafted Tommy Tremble last year. I think he was

1304
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: like a mid round pick the tight end out of

1305
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. But hearing Jim say that they still really

1306
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: don't involve the tight end all that much is a

1307
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: little I don't know, it just strikes me as a

1308
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: little peculiar. They're hard to find, right, I mean, it

1309
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: took Dawson Knox a couple of years to finally get

1310
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: into the saddle and be the kind of difference maker

1311
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: he's become, which I think he is. Kittle Kelsey, those guys,

1312
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: it's easier to steal a tight end from another team

1313
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: than it is get one in the draft to have

1314
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: him come in and absolutely tear it up. Even the

1315
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: guy in Atlanta last year whose name escapes me of

1316
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: the top five, Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitt's great player, and

1317
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: he saw flashes of it. But then you know, I've

1318
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: said for a long time, it's easier to sign a

1319
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: great a tight end who's already good, and plus you're right,

1320
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: you get some some coaches it's hard to incorporate that

1321
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: guy because he's not as fast ascaus and if he's

1322
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: not as fast as as small DB's, he's a little

1323
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: bit better than some of the linebackers. A lot of

1324
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: coaches just don't know what to do with a really

1325
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: great player at that spot because you you're so inclined

1326
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: to react to the defensive matchup that it's hard for

1327
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: some coaches to figure out ways to make sure that

1328
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: guy's in a spot where you're gonna win the matchup.

1329
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: If you put a corner on them, sometimes a corner

1330
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,560
Speaker 1: can stay with the guy and if you get a linebacker.

1331
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: Certainly you can take advantage of that, but what if

1332
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: you don't get the matchup you're looking for. That's the

1333
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: real problem for tight ends. So, yeah, some coaches, particularly

1334
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: college coaches, I mean, I don't know, I don't know

1335
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: where you get a good college tight end. You know,

1336
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: certainly you talked. We talked to Butch Davis earlier in

1337
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: the show. You know, Jeremy Shockey and Kellen Winslow junior. Yeah, okay,

1338
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: you got two of those guys. Okay, you figure something out.

1339
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: But a lot of colleges, you know, they just get

1340
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: a big, fast guy or a run guys easier to

1341
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: hand the football off or throw it to the fast

1342
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Then to create an offense around a guy

1343
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: who's playing at the end of line of scrimmage, it's

1344
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: a it's a tough position to include as a centerpiece

1345
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: of your offense. Teams do it, but it takes a

1346
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 1: really special guy to convince them that on a consistent basis,

1347
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: weekend week out, no matter where they're lined up or

1348
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: what matchup is given to them by the defense, this

1349
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: guy's gonna win. It's a hard thing for a player

1350
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: to prove. So you've got a lot of coaches who

1351
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: have not been convinced that they've got a guy like that,

1352
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: and therefore I've never had to use the guy. That's

1353
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: what I think. So you get a guy like Matt

1354
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: Rule who comes in from Baylor, a college town, a

1355
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,879
Speaker 1: college and he's you know, same thing with Cliff Kingsbury

1356
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: out in Arizona. You know, you can get these guys

1357
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: to come in and then you know, they've never had

1358
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: a player like that, and certainly if they had, they

1359
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: had him for like one or two years. So it's

1360
01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: a difficult position to incorporate a centerpiece to me, and

1361
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: you see it so rarely, so it doesn't surprise me

1362
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: that the Panthers haven't had that guy. Yeah, I think

1363
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: the thing that amazes me, and we talked about this

1364
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: on yesterday's show, is how much draft capital this Panther's

1365
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: team has given up for the quarterback position in an

1366
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: effort to try to get it right. You know, Darnald,

1367
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: they give up a two and a four last year.

1368
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: This year they're giving up draft picks for Mayfield. Granted

1369
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: they've got Cleveland picking up half the tab I've already

1370
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: seen it tweeted out there that for Week one, the

1371
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: Browns will pay fifteen million dollars in total to two

1372
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who will not play for them in Week one

1373
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, which is a fantastic tweet.

1374
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: The Internet remains undefeated. But this is not a team,

1375
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: as Jim confirmed for me when I asked him, that's

1376
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: going to be competing for much of anything this year.

1377
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: And yet they've mortgaged all this capital draft capital to

1378
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: build the roster into a contender for quarterbacks that may

1379
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: or may not work out for them. I mean, I

1380
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: think we're pretty confident in saying that both Baker Mayfield

1381
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold are not going to be on this

1382
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: roster next year. Right, Well, they're playing Sam a big,

1383
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: big money you know amount too bench behind Baker. Yeah, listen,

1384
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: you're a preaching to acquire Brownie Bills. Fans nod. It's

1385
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: like not to have that guy and not be able

1386
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: to find him and not have the capital to go

1387
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: out and get him if the guy is out there available.

1388
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's been set a ton. If

1389
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: you're NFL franchise doesn't have a quarterback, they can win

1390
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: with the entire organization and fan base is obsessed with

1391
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: it until they do. They're obsessed with it until they do.

1392
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: Is the next guy the guy? I don't know, but

1393
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: we got to find out. That's why the Denver Broncos

1394
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,839
Speaker 1: I always said John Elway, they used to get crushed

1395
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: for running through quarterbacks. But John Elway knew what he

1396
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: was looking at. If this is the guy, we're getting

1397
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: this guy in. If he's the guy, okay, If he's not,

1398
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 1: we're finding one who is, We're getting rid of him.

1399
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: He put out, pulled out all the stops to go

1400
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: out late in his career and find and get and

1401
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: recruit Peyton Manning after he was let go by the Colts,

1402
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: and they went to two Super Bowls, could have gone

1403
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: to three and won a couple of them, but they

1404
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: only got one out of it. But nevertheless, they were

1405
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: contenders and they got there and won a championship because

1406
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: they went out and did whatever it took to find

1407
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: that guy and recruited. Now they're back at it again.

1408
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: They got Russ Wilson. They found a guy the Indianapolis Colts.

1409
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 1: It was Andrew Luck, Jacoby Brissette, it was Philip Rivers,

1410
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, and now it's Matt Ryan. The Carolina Panthers

1411
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: are no different. They went through it a two and

1412
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: a four for Sam Darnold. He's not the guy. Now

1413
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: they're given up. Now they got Baker Mayfield in it,

1414
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: and they got somebody to foot the bill for at

1415
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: least some of it. They're paying. You know, they're paying

1416
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: twenty seven million dollars for two quarterbacks, only one of

1417
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: whom is gonna play the Cleveland Browns. They go out

1418
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: and get a pariah to play quarterback for them and

1419
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: pay it's never ending in the NFL. Yeah, and they

1420
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: gave up three ones for him and the team, Yes,

1421
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: that's right. And the team that is probably gonna get

1422
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: the first pick of the draft next year is the

1423
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. Yeah, they've got one. No, they don't have

1424
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: a guy. Even Chicago has a guy. They they've got

1425
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: some hope in Yeah. So it's it is the all

1426
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 1: encompassing question for every team, and the Caroline the Panthers

1427
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: hope that they hope in their heart of heart's Baker

1428
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: knocks it out of the park, even if they even

1429
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be afraid and they're gonna have to

1430
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: cough up a lot at least they got that guy.

1431
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: So that's where they're at right now. They've got a

1432
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: guy that they're they're rolling the dice on a little

1433
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: bit with Baker. He's shown some things for other teams

1434
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: at times. But can he stay healthy and win games

1435
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: and beat at least two of the three other teams

1436
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: in the division. We'll see. Yeah, break time for us

1437
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: here when Steve and I come back, some of your

1438
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: questions from the obl Friday fan mail bag, and a

1439
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: little NFL true false comes your way. Next here on

1440
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,759
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live present about Kalia Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1441
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

1442
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: with you. It is that I'm in the show to

1443
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: open up the Friday fan mailbag and we begin Steve

1444
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: here with Seby, who asks just keeping two extra quarterbacks?

1445
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: Heard our roster numbers, seems like we could fit someone

1446
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: like black Shear if we cut a quarterback. Well, the answer,

1447
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 1: you're as simple. The Bills are only keeping two on

1448
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: the active roster. That's going to be Alan and it's

1449
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,839
Speaker 1: going to be case Keenum and in all likelihood Barkley

1450
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: will be one of the six veteran exemptions who they

1451
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: keep on the practice squad, so they're only keeping two

1452
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: to begin with. And I mean, I guess if you

1453
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: want to make the argument just to have Alan on

1454
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: the active roster and put both of those guys as

1455
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: veteran exemptions on the practice squad, I suppose you could

1456
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: do that, But that's pretty uncharacteristic. Yeah, I mean that. Listen,

1457
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: GM's head coaches, players, and with the new practice squad rules,

1458
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 1: teams have been jumping through these hoops and will continue

1459
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: to just like our fans are. And can you keep

1460
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: cut this guy to save this guy? And it comes

1461
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: down to who's going to contribute more on a week

1462
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: toweek basis as the season rules on. You're right, you're

1463
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: not gonna need hopefully you don't need. You need one quarterback,

1464
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: and that's the guy that's taken snaps, Josh. If he

1465
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: takes every snap of the season, that's great. Even in

1466
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: those games though, where you get up by three touchdowns

1467
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: and there's five minutes left, he's gonna be in there

1468
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: taking snaps. So you got you gotta have a backup quarterback.

1469
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: It's just you just know that you're you don't want

1470
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: to go light at certain positions. But you're right, if

1471
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: there's any way, shape or for him to keep a

1472
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: really good player, no matter what position he plays, defensive back,

1473
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: defensive line, linebacker, wide receiver, tight end, name it, offensive line.

1474
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: If you can keep a really good player who has

1475
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 1: a chance to contribute, particularly on a regular basis, you

1476
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: gotta find a way to do it. But how much

1477
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 1: are you going to risk cutting a backup player to

1478
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: another position who may well indeed end up being a

1479
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: starter for the bulk of the season if the worst happens. Yeah,

1480
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's a hard line to draw, but they've

1481
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: been This is a problem. This is the problem that

1482
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: is for every NFL team at this time of year.

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01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I know people like black Sear a lot.

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: Steve's gone around and around on this explaining that these

1485
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 1: kinds of running backs are readily available across the foot

1486
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: National Football League. You're going to see probably about a

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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: dozen of them cut between now and Tuesday at four o'clock.

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: I like black Shar, he's got some juice to offer,

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01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: but I think he's probably on the practice squad for

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: this roster. If some of the team picks him up,

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01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: more power to him, But I think he's a practice

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01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: squad player for the Bills. Damon Football is next, and

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: he asks interested in the fourth edge position between Aj

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: and Shack, being as shown in the past to be

1495
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: willing to trade before the final cuts for draft capital.

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01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: Could the odd man out be traded? I don't think

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01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: there's any question an odd man out could be traded.

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01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: But let me just tell you how the pecking order

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01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: is going right now at defensive end, because Aj is

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01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 1: not in the fourth defensive end discussion. He's the third

1501
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: defensive end because it's basically Von Miller, Greg Rousseau, and

1502
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: then Aj Epines is the next guy on the field.

1503
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: And it's been that way for the better part of

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01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: the first two preseason games, and nobody has played to

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01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: a degree where I would say it would change that

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: pecking order. Boogie Basham comes on next, and then it's

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01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 1: Shack Lawson after that. So Shack is in competition with

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01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: Boogie Basham if you want to know the true one

1509
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: for one competition there and Steve, we've talked about this already.

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01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: It's a question as to whether or not they're going

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01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: to keep five defensive tackles and four defensive ends or

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01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: four defensive tackles and five defensive ends, and that's going

1513
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: to determine how safe Shack is on or off the roster.

1514
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: They may keep ten, they may keep five and five

1515
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: and then try and sneak somebody to another position over

1516
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: put them on the fifty three and then get him

1517
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,759
Speaker 1: to the practice squad to a as a veteran reserve

1518
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: and protect them every week. That's possible, But when push

1519
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: comes to show and the regulator season starts the ten

1520
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: guys at that spot, that's hard. Yea even taking a

1521
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: tonel from playing any of the coverage teams the return

1522
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: teams right, So they may try and do it in

1523
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: the first twenty four hours, but it won't stay that way.

1524
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 1: What about the trade option there? I think it's very

1525
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: hard to trade this late in the game because most

1526
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: NFL clubs know if you're willing to trade somebody, that

1527
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,879
Speaker 1: means you're probably cutting them anyway. If you can't orchestrate

1528
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: a trade, I think you'd have to find the right

1529
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: team desperate to fill that positional hole that doesn't want

1530
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: to deal with fighting thirty other teams to get the

1531
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: guy right. That's the thing, And it might come down

1532
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: to this Brownie. You mean you look at the guys

1533
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: on the Rock. You know Epiness is still on a

1534
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: rookie contract. Uh, Shack Lawson isn't um Epanessa and Boogie

1535
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: Basham the two rookie contracts. Those are valuable because of

1536
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: the economics of it. So while you won't get much

1537
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,879
Speaker 1: benefit from releasing those guys, you may get some quality

1538
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: draft capital in return for some cheap labor for another

1539
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: team of a guy who can really play. Shack Lawson

1540
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,839
Speaker 1: has been around the block. He was available for anybody

1541
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: to sign this last offseason, the Bills signed him, so

1542
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: his contracts is not going to be a huge number

1543
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: at this point, right, So at this point you know

1544
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: what are you getting with him? So that the rookie

1545
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: contracts for guys who can who might be able to

1546
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,839
Speaker 1: play may bring back more in return for the Bills

1547
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: because they're better players and cheaper. That's where you start

1548
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: getting into what are you willing to part with in

1549
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: order to get something substantial back? Because you're right, Brandon,

1550
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: there will be thirty one other teams that it'll pick

1551
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: up the phone. But if you're going to release one

1552
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 1: of those guys anyway, they'll just wait and they may

1553
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: be willing, particularly some of the teams that we're talking about,

1554
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 1: the you know, the teams with a lot of caps based,

1555
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: they may just be willing to say, yeah, we'll pay

1556
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: the guy more than you're paying him now anyway, just

1557
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: cut it. Yeah, I mean, Brandon Bean has done an

1558
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: extraordinary job in moving players. I mean, after the last

1559
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: preseason game in twenty eighteen, he traded AJ McCarron for

1560
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. So it's not like he hasn't

1561
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: done it late in the preseason before. Quarterback might be

1562
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: a little bit different animal than some of these other

1563
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: positions that we have discussed. You know what I do

1564
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: wonder I wonder if Brandon Being gets on the phone

1565
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: with Joe Shane, knowing how baron their tight end position is,

1566
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: and says, hey, you want to flip me a seven

1567
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 1: for one of these tight ends, and maybe that goes down.

1568
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if Joe Shane bites on that, because

1569
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: he's got to believe. Again, as I stated earlier, they

1570
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: know they can't keep four tight ends. How likely is

1571
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: it do they that they keep four tight ends? I

1572
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: think it's pretty unlikely, right, Yeah, not not with Reggie

1573
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: gilliam on the roster, right He gives them too much

1574
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: as an h back in a big body that can

1575
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, can do this versatile athlete. So yeah, those

1576
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they do. And I think the real

1577
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: wrench in the worst and we'll talk about this on

1578
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: the broadcast tonight a little bit is I think Quintin

1579
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: Morris is the real wrench in the works there. He's

1580
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: played so well, right, so well to me, certainly he's

1581
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: got some work to do in the run game, that

1582
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of thing, but no more so than a guy

1583
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: like O. J. Howard or Tommy Sweeney. And the fact

1584
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: that he is trending up and I don't think they

1585
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: have seen the limit of his potential yet. So I'm

1586
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: that to me causes a problem. And you don't just

1587
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 1: plug in OJ Howard, Dawson Knox, Tommy Sweeney and role

1588
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: because Quintin Morris is a guy that can play, I think,

1589
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: and can play a lot of snaps maybe, so then

1590
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: what do you do economically? O. J. Howard's a problem.

1591
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: Tommy Sweeney, You've got a lot of effort and years

1592
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: invested in him as well. But anybody you cut is

1593
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: going to be playing in the NFL for somebody else

1594
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: in three days probably and most likely in New York

1595
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: if it's a tight end. Yeah, provided they got the

1596
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: right order in the claim. Yeah, and that's fine, and

1597
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: who cares. That's fine for even for Bill's fans. They're great,

1598
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 1: good guys, great players, but they're in another conference and

1599
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: you can't keep them. So just let them go and

1600
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: don't don't give it a second thought. They're great guys,

1601
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,560
Speaker 1: you treated them well. They're gonna have fun memories of

1602
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: their time in Buffalo. But if they can't. If if

1603
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: you're better without them than with them, I'm sorry. If

1604
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: you're better with them them without them, what are you doing?

1605
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: Don't give it a second thought. Well, I don't even know,

1606
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: and move on. Yeah, I don't even know if it

1607
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: comes down to that. I just as we heard Brandon

1608
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: Bean say the other day, and even coach McDermott address

1609
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: this a lot of times. It's not that they don't

1610
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,839
Speaker 1: want to keep that player in the fold, it's just numbers.

1611
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: They don't have the stakes on the roster to keep them.

1612
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: That's soll it is. And here's the thing too. Being

1613
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: better off might be a financial decision. It gives you

1614
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: more cap space that if they're a coin flip different. Right,

1615
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: now take the cheap one, right, that's that simple and

1616
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: that it's that cut and dried. And if you if

1617
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: you think that financial benefit is better, because even if

1618
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: the acial benefit is outweighed by the potential of a

1619
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: guy like Quintin Morris as opposed to a guy you

1620
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: know everything about In I mean Sweeney or O. J. Howard,

1621
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 1: take a roll of the dice on the potential and

1622
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: keep them more expensive one. If that's what it is. Yeah,

1623
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: I doubt that that's what it is, but well it

1624
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: would be because the more expensive and would be Quentin

1625
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: mors because you take a cap hit releasing an OJ

1626
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Howard or Tommy Sweeney. Maybe. All right, break time for us,

1627
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: Steve and I got to close this thing up when

1628
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: we return as we get ready for Bills Panthers seven

1629
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: o'clock tonight. We're back in a second here on one

1630
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 1: of Bill's line presented by Kalid to health. It's Buffalo

1631
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. All right, see very quickly because this caught

1632
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: my eye and I think it's worth talking about the

1633
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: amount of weight that has been put on Mac Jones

1634
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: shoulders from reports out of New England, including from NFL

1635
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Networks Mike Giardi is called considerable by people inside the organization.

1636
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Training camp has been rocky, as we know, but the

1637
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: team and the coaching staff is putting strong belief that

1638
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 1: mac Jones has turned a corner in his development. The

1639
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: same source that Mike Giardi cites, however, says, if they

1640
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: can't protect him, and as we know, that's been a

1641
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: problem in camp, and they've talked about trading Isaiah Wynn

1642
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 1: their left tackle, it's going to mute the whole thing.

1643
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 1: Doesn't this sound very similar to all of the stuff

1644
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: they used to put on Tom Brady's shoulders because they

1645
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: believed he could handle it, and Brady proved that he could.

1646
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 1: It looks like they're taking the same approach in their

1647
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: belief in mac Jones. I just don't think the team

1648
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 1: around him is nearly as good as that one was.

1649
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a hard time convincing me Mac Jones

1650
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: as Tom Brady. Well, that's the biggest problem of this

1651
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: whole bet that they're apparently placing. But they don't even

1652
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: have a good enough a team around him. That math

1653
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: doesn't compute. So if that's what they're thinking, bless their heart. Um,

1654
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: I just think at some point this season, we're gonna

1655
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: go down and read some things and the reports about

1656
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots, and you are going to have a laughing

1657
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: h have a good broadcast, Steve. We'll see how I'm

1658
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: on day