Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Betcher Happy Hour. I'm Joe
Speaker 1: and I'm Serena, and we are back to recap episode
Speaker 1: five and then later on we have a very special
Speaker 1: guest coming on. His name, you guys all know him
Speaker 1: is Gary. He lit up the screen when he was there.
Speaker 1: He was always in a good mood. But he's an
Speaker 1: emotionhow guy. So maybe we'll get him to cry.
Speaker 2: Maybe you never know. You never know on this podcast,
Speaker 2: it can go a billion different ways. But we're excited
Speaker 2: to chat with him. I feel like we saw bits
Speaker 2: and pieces of his relationship with Joan, but just to
Speaker 2: learn more about their connection and what they bonded over,
Speaker 2: and just more about Gary in his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joan. Something I'm realizing watching this show is Joan
Speaker 1: doesn't have the greatest poker face face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, and I felt that in
Speaker 2: this episode. Yeah, big time. I feel like it's with
Speaker 2: some seasons it's very hard to tell where the lead
Speaker 2: is falling with their feelings, and others it's a little
Speaker 2: bit easier, which is just you know, it's natural, like
Speaker 2: some po where their herd on the sleeve a little
Speaker 2: bit more than others. And yeah, Joan I'm starting to
Speaker 2: see where things are headed me too, but too, it'll
Speaker 2: be it'll be good to chat with Gary later. And
Speaker 2: what do you think about episode five?
Speaker 1: I thought it was entertaining.
Speaker 2: I thought this episode was good. Lots is happening. We're
Speaker 2: heading into hometown, so it's always kind of like a pivotable, pivotable,
Speaker 2: pivotal episode. Yes, what did you think of this episode?
Speaker 2: Any favorite moments?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite, My my favorite moment, this might have
Speaker 1: been my favorite moment on the entire season, was not
Speaker 1: Mark leaving, but just Pascal being like Mark's my best friend.
Speaker 2: I know, really hard, and you know what, Pascal was
Speaker 2: such a hype man for him when he was going
Speaker 2: on his date too.
Speaker 1: But I just looked at these two older men at
Speaker 1: they reminded me of just like innocent twelve year old boys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, being like he's my best friend. I can't believe
Speaker 2: we're in different classes in sixth grade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, collegue, some of your best friend and I still
Speaker 1: do it. We all do it, but it just is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all have best friends.
Speaker 1: It just sounds so childish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in a sweet way. Yeah, I liked it too.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a sweet moment. And I thought
Speaker 2: it was relatable having been a contested on the show.
Speaker 1: He goes he's my best friend. That was funny.
Speaker 2: He sounded like Sonny a little bit in that moment,
Speaker 2: which is Joe's best friend's son. But yeah, I feel
Speaker 2: like it is relatable having been on the show. When
Speaker 2: the person that or one of the people that you're
Speaker 2: closest to and you're really confiding and you trust to
Speaker 2: just kind of vent to and lean on when you're
Speaker 2: having tough moments leaves, it is hard. Like when Abigail
Speaker 2: left when we were on Paradise. I was devastated. I
Speaker 2: was like, I can't do this without her, Like I
Speaker 2: need her here, I need her to come back.
Speaker 1: What was the standout moment for you?
Speaker 2: Standing moment for me probably the hummingbird moment with Mark.
Speaker 2: I just thought that was really impactful, especially having the
Speaker 2: background information about Kelsey being on the show and talking
Speaker 2: about her connection to her mom, So just seeing him
Speaker 2: open up and be vulnerable about that, I thought was
Speaker 2: really beautiful. I agree there's a lot of reference to
Speaker 2: symbolism and animals and comfort and that I will see
Speaker 2: throughout the most recent seasons.
Speaker 1: I will say the yacht date was very awkward.
Speaker 2: Yes, but let's kick it off at the top and
Speaker 2: we'll get into all of it all, right, let's do it. Okay,
Speaker 2: So week starts off, we find out that she is
Speaker 2: not going to be giving out any group date roses
Speaker 2: on the one on ones or the group date. What
Speaker 2: did you think about that?
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with it too. It's not very common. I
Speaker 2: feel like we rarely see them say, like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if we've I can't actually remember a time where
Speaker 2: they've said we're not going to give out roses until
Speaker 2: the rose ceremony.
Speaker 1: I don't like roses on dates?
Speaker 2: Really? Why not?
Speaker 1: Because I like I like it saving it all for
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 2: I feel like this week, if there's a week, to
Speaker 2: not give out a rose on a date, because I
Speaker 2: feel like the roses make things a little bit juicier
Speaker 2: and it's kind of telling on where the lead is leaning,
Speaker 2: especially the group date roses. But I feel like at
Speaker 2: this point it's such a serious week going into hometowns,
Speaker 2: it makes the most sense out of any other week
Speaker 2: to be like, I'm gonna wait and give myself time
Speaker 2: to like think on this until the end of the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: She had her chat with Trista. Trista has been like
Speaker 2: the comeback queen of the franchise. She's on every single season.
Speaker 1: Well, they love her for Golden, but she was on
Speaker 1: Gen season two? Was she on Gen?
Speaker 2: She came and did the follow the Yellow Brick Road date.
Speaker 1: I know Trista has been on the past. I feel
Speaker 1: like since we've been on Bachelor Happy Hour, I think
Speaker 1: she's been on every season that we've recapped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she might hold a record for cameos. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: she's great. I mean, we love to see her. So
Speaker 2: they have a chat and Trista kind of explains I
Speaker 2: feel like my biggest regret was not being open enough.
Speaker 2: And obviously she met her husband on the show, and
Speaker 2: she said she wished she'd been more vulnerable and open
Speaker 2: with her feelings about him, and I feel like that's because.
Speaker 1: He was with her. But I disagree. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't believe. I don't think that's correct.
Speaker 2: You don't think that's good advice?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: Because you know she's been married to Ryan now for
Speaker 1: so long that she forget I feel like she probably
Speaker 1: forgets that she did have feelings for other people in
Speaker 1: at the time and you don't. I feel like the
Speaker 1: lead doesn't always know which way to go, and if
Speaker 1: you are if you do tell someone you love them,
Speaker 1: like in Clayton eckert situation where he told multiple people
Speaker 1: that he loved them, there ends up being there's always
Speaker 1: there's always an issue with that, and then your your
Speaker 1: person potentially watches it back. So I almost think you're
Speaker 1: better off keeping those feelings close to your chest, and
Speaker 1: then afterwards, when you do choose that person, you could
Speaker 1: be more vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a fine line, and I think every
Speaker 2: lead would likely have a different take on it based
Speaker 2: on their experience. Like if you ask Ben Higgins who
Speaker 2: told multiple people, Clayton ecker who told multiple people, versus
Speaker 2: some of the people that might have been more conservative
Speaker 2: with their feelings. I think they're all gonna have different answers.
Speaker 1: But I don't be too conservative like Zach who just
Speaker 1: went out there and was like, I'm not having sex
Speaker 1: with anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't conservative at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: He threw that out the window. But I do agree
Speaker 2: with you. I think opening up about your feelings too
Speaker 2: much is a very risky move that doesn't always pay
Speaker 2: off and being a little bit more closed off is
Speaker 2: maybe the safer play, but you're less likely to hurt
Speaker 2: someone's feelings if you change your mind or something happens
Speaker 2: where you said it to people in that person that
Speaker 2: you end up with has a problem with that anyway.
Speaker 2: First group date or sorry, first date is a one
Speaker 2: on one and it's with Keith, who got the first
Speaker 2: impression Rose night one from Joan and last week they
Speaker 2: had a chat at I think it was the cocktail
Speaker 2: party before the Rose ceremony, and it was quite awkward.
Speaker 1: Their relationship has really been on the decline since first
Speaker 1: and Pressure rows. We see that every so often that
Speaker 1: the person that gets the first im pressure rolls like
Speaker 1: if they I feel like the truth is if the
Speaker 1: person that gets the first impressure Rose isn't top two,
Speaker 1: like we usually see that relationship like fizzle pretty hard,
Speaker 1: like it there becomes like all of a sudden, there's
Speaker 1: just like zero connection.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think that there's been this kind of
Speaker 2: awkwardness between Keith and Joe in the last few weeks
Speaker 2: where it just feels like the relationship isn't moving in
Speaker 2: a romantic direction and Keith seems to be freaking out
Speaker 2: because of that awkwardness, because he wants it to go
Speaker 2: in that direction. But I feel like what's happened is
Speaker 2: he wants it to move to be more serious, more romantic,
Speaker 2: and I just think Jones not feeling it, and I
Speaker 2: think he's like, why isn't this working? And it's making
Speaker 2: him feel uncomfortable and anxious. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, I think that's coming from a place of him,
Speaker 2: like deep down feeling like his emotions are not being reciprocated.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're being reciprocated. Like I don't think
Speaker 2: she feels that romantic connection with him. I think it's
Speaker 2: turned into way more of a friendship on her end
Speaker 2: at least. Yeah, like there was I was getting like
Speaker 2: no spark from her on this date. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: But I mean I thought it was pretty like going
Speaker 2: to a winery and sitting and drinking wine. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: liked the activity for ye.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, it's hard because that's why, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, like Paradisis Is, it's a better show because
Speaker 1: there's just you just have there's just more options, where
Speaker 1: like it's hard for somebody like Keith who now he's
Speaker 1: questioning himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when yeah, he's getting in his.
Speaker 1: Head, Yeah, when the answer is kind of just simple,
Speaker 1: like she's just not really that into you, that she's
Speaker 1: really into a few other guys. And now you're you're questioning, like,
Speaker 1: is there something wrong with me? Is this and that?
Speaker 1: But like, you know, if if the situation situation was
Speaker 1: a paradise situation, you two may not even have ever.
Speaker 2: You never gotten this far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And I just think that she gave him that first
Speaker 2: impression rose because he did make a great first impression.
Speaker 2: He came out very strong, very confident. They had a
Speaker 2: lot of fun together, a lot in common, and I
Speaker 2: think it made for a great base for a friendship
Speaker 2: for them to get along, and I think his romantic
Speaker 2: feelings grew and hers just didn't. Unfortunately, in the midst
Speaker 2: of this one on one, we see a scene with Mark. Yeah,
Speaker 2: back at the house. He's kind of walking around a
Speaker 2: side we see clips of a hummingbird, and it cuts
Speaker 2: to him talking to the men inside, kind of opening
Speaker 2: up to them about what that means about how his
Speaker 2: late wife, Denise, he feels connected to her through this
Speaker 2: symbol of a hummingbird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when we did interview Mark, He's mentioned like,
Speaker 1: you know, I lost my wife that was out of
Speaker 1: my control. We didn't get a divorce, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think just the process of dealing with that is just
Speaker 1: so tough, and we see that.
Speaker 2: And just if you guys watched Joey's season, Mark's daughter
Speaker 2: Kelsey was on it and she talked about the passing
Speaker 2: of her mom and she feels connected to her mom
Speaker 2: through the symbol of butterflies. So to see that kind
Speaker 2: of mirrored and Mark's experience with the hummingbird, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it was like really sad, and just seeing the depth
Speaker 2: of his grief for his late wife was obviously heartbreaking
Speaker 2: because he's in this proble of trying to move on
Speaker 2: while also missing the person that he committed spending his
Speaker 2: life with. But simultaneously, there was like beauty and hope
Speaker 2: in it because the symbol reflected him feeling like reassured
Speaker 2: that he was here for a reason, he was doing
Speaker 2: the right thing, and that there is still hope for
Speaker 2: him to find love again and kind of feeling reassured
Speaker 2: that that's what his wife would have wanted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and watching it, I think everyone was hoping that
Speaker 1: Mark was the guy to receive the next one on one,
Speaker 1: which he ends up being the next guy to receive
Speaker 1: the one on one because she announces the group date
Speaker 1: and he's not on it, and it's a bowling group date.
Speaker 2: It's a bullying group date. What did you think of
Speaker 2: the group date?
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so whatever group dates find fun, they bowl?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Secalcal does one with the bullying shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he does great. He bowls a strike or
Speaker 1: close to a strike. But I think the big thing,
Speaker 1: and this is kind of the first time all season,
Speaker 1: and we see this so much in the regular seasons.
Speaker 1: You know, you see Chok kind of just like all
Speaker 1: over Joan, his arm around her. She's like snuggled up
Speaker 1: in his embrace.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They did a wide shot of it, and you
Speaker 2: could see the guy sitting like scattered amongst the bench
Speaker 2: and then they're all like five feet away from each other,
Speaker 2: and then Joan and Chalk are just like in the
Speaker 2: corner like cuddling.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And like I've always I'm always someone that kind
Speaker 1: of I'm like, yeah, like, hey, listen, it's fair game,
Speaker 1: like you do do your thing, really, but I do
Speaker 1: think when when you are in a room with all
Speaker 1: the other guys. I think there's kind of like a
Speaker 1: time and place and if you are going to do that,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but like let's make it.
Speaker 2: Quick and let's make a sneaky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ye a little more.
Speaker 2: You had a bowling date when I was on The Bachelor,
Speaker 2: and if one of the girls had gone up and
Speaker 2: just like we're all in a group hanging out and
Speaker 2: just sat on the Bachelor's lap, I'd be like, grill
Speaker 2: a friend, You've got to be kidding me, Like pull
Speaker 2: them off to the side and make out in a
Speaker 2: dark corner, like I don't care, but you're you're kind
Speaker 2: of airing it out for all of us to see.
Speaker 1: And it's also I mean, it's also a little on Joan.
Speaker 1: It's a little on the lead because she also kind
Speaker 1: of needs to be aware that there are other guys and.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I know, but the lead is always
Speaker 2: in a tough position there of like not wanting to
Speaker 2: make anyone feel rejected. And I also think that her
Speaker 2: and Chalcolate really like each other.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, like.
Speaker 2: He's definitely up there. I also on top of that, though,
Speaker 2: like we haven't seen a lot of aggressive is a
Speaker 2: strong word, but like the guys aren't really like pursuing
Speaker 2: Joan in a strong way.
Speaker 1: No, They're more passive.
Speaker 2: They're more passive, at least from what we've seen. So
Speaker 2: if I'm her, I'm like thank you, Like you know,
Speaker 2: I want to feel pursued. I want to feel like
Speaker 2: you guys want me like you're coming after me a
Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, I think that there's a bit of
Speaker 2: a chase happening here.
Speaker 1: I also think that it comes with like I don't
Speaker 1: know how many of them were actively dating before the show,
Speaker 1: but I would say it's they're not as active as
Speaker 1: your your twenty year olds, So I think it's probably
Speaker 1: I think it's.
Speaker 2: Really like they're not at a bar, like going for
Speaker 2: a girl who's got like two other guys kind of
Speaker 2: trying to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just I just think it's a little Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably.
Speaker 2: Unfamiliar territory one percent. Yeah, But I thought the bowling
Speaker 2: was fun. I thought it was fun, honestly to have
Speaker 2: just like a little bit of tension on the date
Speaker 2: because I feel like everything's gone so smoothly this whole season,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I've been very like lovely and sweet to
Speaker 2: just have the guys kind of be a little bit. Ten.
Speaker 2: I don't know, is that bad to say? No?
Speaker 1: I agree hundred percent. Like right now, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: it's it's very much like Joan. Joan's favorite is Chalk.
Speaker 2: At least from this date, And to me, the.
Speaker 1: Only one right now that I'm kind of getting like
Speaker 1: can't give chalk or run for his money is probably Jordan.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then other than that, it's yet it's I mean,
Speaker 1: we and we see who ends up going to hometowns
Speaker 1: because this is the episode. Yeah, yeah, which I like.
Speaker 1: Before this episode so before we're gonna we'll get into
Speaker 1: Mark's yacht date. But before Mark's yacht date, I would
Speaker 1: have never, never have guessed that Pascal was going to
Speaker 1: be in their over Mark.
Speaker 2: I would agree with you on that. Yeah, because we
Speaker 2: haven't seen a lot more Jonathan. I thought Jonathan or
Speaker 2: my Mark, we're going to be that fourth spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we just haven't seen a lot of Pascal
Speaker 2: and Jones' relationships since their second week one on one date.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just think especially on this group date,
Speaker 2: we saw Joan and Jonathan have kind of a morning meaningful,
Speaker 2: in depth conversation. He's showing her, like photos of him
Speaker 2: and his family and cards and all these things just
Speaker 2: felt like there might be a little bit more like
Speaker 2: depth to that relationship and Mar's relationship than hers with Pascal.
Speaker 2: But it also just might be like Pascal's such personality
Speaker 2: and like we see a lot of the like fun,
Speaker 2: silly moments, but maybe they've had more deep moments as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So we cut to March yacht date one
Speaker 1: on one date.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I don't know why this is. I feel
Speaker 2: like the yacht dates always get such crap weather, like
Speaker 2: it's full fog and overcast.
Speaker 1: La is like la is sunny three hundred days out
Speaker 1: of the year, And.
Speaker 2: It's like every time they do a yacht date, it's
Speaker 2: like the helicopter dates, it's like blue sky and then
Speaker 2: they throw them on a boat and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's bumpy and cold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of how this date really kicks off,
Speaker 1: is bumpy and cold. Like they're kind of both just
Speaker 1: yeah emotionally too, Yeah, they're both kind of just kind
Speaker 1: of pretty quiet. And I think this is the first
Speaker 1: time that I've now seen Joan and Mark together where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they actually don't really seem to
Speaker 1: have a strong connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean like silence doesn't always mean awkward silence,
Speaker 2: Like they could have just been sitting there enjoying their
Speaker 2: time together, but at the same time, like this is
Speaker 2: your first one on wine, like there should be a
Speaker 2: little excitement, a little adrenaline, and the convo just didn't
Speaker 2: seem to be flowing. I would say neither of them
Speaker 2: are really yappers either, Like Mark is a little more soft,
Speaker 2: a little more reserved. Definitely great conversationalists, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like either of them's like propelling the conversation, if
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Well, it didn't in that moment.
Speaker 2: Definitely not in that moment. So I think that the game,
Speaker 2: like the Scavenger Hunt game, was absolutely necessary, Like they
Speaker 2: needed an activity, which is not uncommon, like a lot
Speaker 2: of people on first dates want to do an activity
Speaker 2: because sometimes sitting and just having a conversation for three
Speaker 2: hours with someone you don't know that well is a
Speaker 2: little difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's even more difficult when there's cameras in
Speaker 1: your face.
Speaker 2: And who knows, maybe, like the boat was loud, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it just it just wasn't It was just
Speaker 1: overall like overall this date, I don't know, there's not
Speaker 1: much to say. It was just kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I feel like we now know Mark is not
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what their relationship on the date reminded
Speaker 2: me a lot of was from last season on the
Speaker 2: Golden Bauchler Gary and Susan's relationship. They clearly had such
Speaker 2: a strong connection on a like a friendship bond, and
Speaker 2: they really enjoyed each other, but maybe they weren't the
Speaker 2: right fit for each other. As it's not even that
Speaker 2: there was no chemistry, it's just like I just don't
Speaker 2: think there are necessarily a fit for each other as partners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we see after their date the next
Speaker 1: following day, calls Mark to the side to like speak
Speaker 1: with him and and her Her side of the story
Speaker 1: is she essentially said like, I think you've grown a lot,
Speaker 1: but I don't really think that you are ready. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're ready like when I was ready, and therefore we
Speaker 1: are no longer on the same pace.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I she said I need someone as far along
Speaker 2: in their journey as I am, which made to me
Speaker 2: the way I took it was that she was saying,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to find my partner. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you're where I am in your dating journey.
Speaker 1: Seeah, okay, okay, so let's stop there.
Speaker 2: That is what she said, but I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: misreading that, But that is what she said, and she said,
Speaker 2: like I wrote the standard said, I didn't see us
Speaker 2: in our conversations, and it does seem like he talks
Speaker 2: about his wife and she talks about her husband. And
Speaker 2: that's majority of their conversations is talking about the bond
Speaker 2: that they have over the loss of their spouses versus
Speaker 2: like what their lives would be like together as a unit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is definitely what But I feel like that's yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that's that was her conversation with majority
Speaker 1: of the guys and I, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know yet. It's I don't because I want to be like,
Speaker 1: but I feel like Mark's ready. I'm watching it and
Speaker 1: Mark's not giving me that like I'm not ready for
Speaker 1: a serious relationship.
Speaker 2: No, he's not really giving that to me either. I
Speaker 2: think that it might have felt that way though, because
Speaker 2: their main topic of conversation was their spouses. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if that's because Mark isn't ready
Speaker 2: which maybe he's not, like we could ask him if
Speaker 2: we hopefully get to chat with him again, or maybe
Speaker 2: it's just that they didn't really have much in common
Speaker 2: and that was kind of the thing that they think
Speaker 2: fell on it. Really I think so too. Like I
Speaker 2: think that was the thing they had in common, and
Speaker 2: he is very eloquent in speaking about his experience with
Speaker 2: that and with his grief, and I think he was
Speaker 2: almost like a support system for her in this journey,
Speaker 2: guiding her through that. And I think it stalled the
Speaker 2: progression of their relationship because that was just like the
Speaker 2: main topic of conversation that they were having. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: also might just be something that he's comfortable talking about
Speaker 2: and she's comfortable talking about, and they didn't really leave
Speaker 2: that comfort zone together.
Speaker 1: So then the question is why did she But my
Speaker 1: question to you right now is why did she pull
Speaker 1: Mark to the side and give him special treatment? Why
Speaker 1: do I not just not give Mark a rose? I
Speaker 1: just think she liked him more than the other two,
Speaker 1: Do you think so? Huh?
Speaker 2: I think that also they had a special one on
Speaker 2: one day the day before. I think that of the
Speaker 2: three guys he sent home, she had the strongest connection
Speaker 2: with him, Like, I.
Speaker 1: Think, do you think if Joan had a rose on that.
Speaker 2: Date she would have given it to him?
Speaker 1: She would have felt the pressure and just gave him
Speaker 1: the rose, or because we're going in the hometowns.
Speaker 2: No, No, And I think that she knew she was
Speaker 2: probably having one on ones with Keith and Mark and
Speaker 2: probably was going into them not sure if she was
Speaker 2: going to be bringing them to hometowns, and that influenced
Speaker 2: the decision to not be giving out any roses. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because she might have just been like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and I might leave the date any more time to
Speaker 2: think about it before the rose ceremony. Yeah, well, Mark,
Speaker 2: I mean I think Keith would not have gotten a
Speaker 2: rose because Keith didn't even get a walk out.
Speaker 1: No Keith getting off it.
Speaker 2: But I think if but I think that by Keith,
Speaker 2: sorry sorry, by sorry buddy. But I think that at
Speaker 2: the end of the oft date, I could have seen
Speaker 2: Joan being like, I can't give this out. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I have to think on things more. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 2: their conversation was really heartfelt. They're both very genuine in it.
Speaker 2: The lighting is so good, it's like Golden Hour. They're outside,
Speaker 2: I mean like the chocolate and like the most gorgeous way.
Speaker 1: Now you were excited, you were very excited about the boy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, lighting was so I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, Mark, Mark goes home. It's it's a sad departure.
Speaker 1: All the guys we see. Pascal's like my best friends
Speaker 1: going home. I know, but Mark was. I feel like
Speaker 1: Mark was that guy. And I guess this is why
Speaker 1: it probably makes sense that Joan made a special moment
Speaker 1: for Mark. It was like you could see like Mark
Speaker 1: was basically everybody's favorite person in the house, which is
Speaker 1: which is difficult because he kind of went in there
Speaker 1: where most guys I think would be a little jealous
Speaker 1: or envious of the situation that Mark was in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was clearly Yeah, he was the most likable
Speaker 1: guy in the house.
Speaker 2: I agree. And I also think that it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: that he has dated extensively, if really at all, since
Speaker 2: the passing of his wife. And I think it was
Speaker 2: definitely considerate of her to not be like, let me
Speaker 2: meet your family, let me be one of the first,
Speaker 2: if only people you've brought home to your kids and
Speaker 2: your siblings and all these people after your wife passed.
Speaker 2: If I know that, I'm not going to end up
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I do have a quick, a little question. Okay,
Speaker 1: do we think that because Mark has a history with
Speaker 1: the show, meaning his history is Kelsey who is now
Speaker 1: engaged to Joey who was the last Bachelor, do we
Speaker 1: think that played any part in Joan making a special
Speaker 1: moment for Mark.
Speaker 2: Like, do you we think that she was more sensitive
Speaker 2: towards sending him home because he has his and his
Speaker 2: future son a lot within the franchise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not only that, Joan in a way knows a
Speaker 1: little more about his daughter, Like she Joan has watched Kelly,
Speaker 1: She's met her, she's watched her experience. So maybe because
Speaker 1: she has that personal connection to Kelsey.
Speaker 2: She was right. It's kind of like if you're a
Speaker 2: boss in an office and you have to fire three
Speaker 2: people and two of them are just like employees, and
Speaker 2: one of them is like.
Speaker 1: Your friend or your friend's child or your friends child.
Speaker 2: You're gonna handle that one maybe a little bit differently.
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, and maybe that played a
Speaker 2: small role, but I don't think it played a big role,
Speaker 2: because I do think that he was so vulnerable. I
Speaker 2: do think that they had a connection. I do think
Speaker 2: she really liked him. I just think there was a
Speaker 2: little bit extra. I think she just felt like there
Speaker 2: was a little extra sensitivity needed in the breakup, especially
Speaker 2: because they had literally just had their one on one
Speaker 2: date the day before, so it's always gonna sting. No,
Speaker 2: Keith was like three days. You know, it's like a
Speaker 2: year in bachelor World.
Speaker 1: I think I played a bigger part than than you think.
Speaker 2: Maybe we could ask her.
Speaker 1: I mean, we agree to disagreem.
Speaker 2: We agree to disagree, and we'll maybe never know the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's an interesting thing to think about,
Speaker 2: and it's definitely possible, even if it was like subconscious
Speaker 2: on her part.
Speaker 1: So we got we have hometowns coming up.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what Mark said? That was really sweet
Speaker 2: when he left, though, he did say I'm leaving here
Speaker 2: a better human being, a better man, and a better father,
Speaker 2: and I thought that was really a nice thing to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I believe him. And we we have hometowns
Speaker 1: next week. So Keith and Jonathan ended up not getting
Speaker 1: a row yeah.
Speaker 2: Which Jonathan I was like, he Keith, I was pretty
Speaker 2: sure wasn't gonna work out. As much as I really
Speaker 2: like him, I just didn't see them together. Jonathan, I
Speaker 2: thought might sneak in there over Pascal or Guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. After interviewing John then
Speaker 1: I don't think that.
Speaker 2: Just you don't see him with Joan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the way he talked about his whole
Speaker 1: experience on the show.
Speaker 2: I wonder if people. I wonder if Joan thinks about
Speaker 2: like the ages of the kids and like the jobs,
Speaker 2: like if if she's looking at people. I mean, it
Speaker 2: sounds unromantic, but.
Speaker 1: It's a practical thing to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, Okay, if you know, one person is
Speaker 2: if she's retired and the other person's retired and they
Speaker 2: have grown kids, and that gives them more flexibility and
Speaker 2: their lifestyles can match up, versus if it's someone that's
Speaker 2: like maybe a little bit younger and working still and
Speaker 2: they have young kids, where it's like there's still a
Speaker 2: lot of parenting and involvement happening. Like, I wonder if
Speaker 2: that's something that she thought about throughout this process. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you kind of have to a little bit
Speaker 2: because it is going to drastically impact your lifestyle, and
Speaker 2: she does say she doesn't want to move. So someone
Speaker 2: somewhere with young kids, they're probably not picking up they're
Speaker 2: you know, fourteen year old and dragging him to where
Speaker 2: Joone lives.
Speaker 1: Love love is great.
Speaker 2: Right, totally, We love love love. We're a dating show
Speaker 2: recap podcast.
Speaker 1: Love love is love is a wontherful thing, and I
Speaker 1: think love on this show is the main driver comes
Speaker 1: first when you're choosing the person that you want to
Speaker 1: end up with. But you do have to consider everything
Speaker 1: if you're gonna if you're serious about making the relationship
Speaker 1: work after the show, Yeah, you have to put everything
Speaker 1: into consideration. Where they live, how old they are, how
Speaker 1: many kids.
Speaker 2: They have, are they moving?
Speaker 1: You know, all that shit's gonna matter when you get
Speaker 1: off of.
Speaker 2: The trum retirement, how much you know there's spending habits
Speaker 2: are like everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're not you can't. You're not going to
Speaker 1: be able to live in bachelor Land forever.
Speaker 2: And I also think when we look at Bacher or
Speaker 2: Bacher at Bachelor in Paradise and we're dealing, you know,
Speaker 2: with early twenty to mid thirty year olds, it's a
Speaker 2: little bit easier to like I would all away for love,
Speaker 2: whereas when you're sixty five seventy, I mean, depends on
Speaker 2: the person. But from what we've seen the past two seasons,
Speaker 2: there's much less of that than there is in the
Speaker 2: season of like, well, we got to figure out where
Speaker 2: to live, but we'll figure it out. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: willing to move, he's willing to move. We're both going
Speaker 2: to take a year off work, and then you know,
Speaker 2: there's just a little more flexibility, especially when kids aren't involved.
Speaker 2: I think kids really change everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have we have our final four, our
Speaker 1: final four men.
Speaker 2: Yep, we have Jordan Chalk those are my two. Those
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be top two.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: And then we have Guy Guy, and we have Pascal Pascal.
Speaker 1: I love that Pascal slo.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for his hometown. I'm so excited me
Speaker 2: to it's in Chicago. Oh yeah, they're gonna have two
Speaker 2: of the towns in Chicago because it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's what's what are our final fours looking like?
Speaker 1: How do you have left? I have two in there?
Speaker 2: Okay, so your predictions were Guy, who's in the final four,
Speaker 2: Jonathan fortunately just missed out, Jordan and then Dan and
Speaker 2: then mine. I had, uh Chalk still there, Yeah, the chocks.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Chalk's the heavy hitter right now, he's the favorite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Jordan could really sneak up from behind,
Speaker 2: not behind, he's not far behind. If anything, they're close.
Speaker 1: Sequel, you you have the doesn't matter if I have
Speaker 1: two losers, you have the you have the favorite.
Speaker 2: You don't know that though you're basically up one cuddle session,
Speaker 2: not a bowling alley. Well, I have Chalk, I have
Speaker 2: Charles k who is left earlier on Mark who's now
Speaker 2: unfortunately gone, and Keith who'sunfortunately go. So I have one
Speaker 2: and you have two.
Speaker 1: Two. I have two horses in the race and you
Speaker 1: have one.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately it only takes one to win.
Speaker 1: Though it only takes one to win. It's a Kentucky Derby,
Speaker 1: and I think you might have the winner.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we will have to see next week.
Speaker 2: We have hometowns, so be sure to tune into that,
Speaker 2: and then we will have our recap and a special
Speaker 2: guest interview as well.
Speaker 1: Yep, and make sure you check out our episode with
Speaker 1: Gary coming up. You won't want to miss it. Thank
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