WEBVTT - Rolling into Hometowns!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Betcher Happy Hour. I'm Joe

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Serena, and we are back to recap episode

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<v Speaker 1>five and then later on we have a very special

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<v Speaker 1>guest coming on. His name, you guys all know him

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<v Speaker 1>is Gary. He lit up the screen when he was there.

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<v Speaker 1>He was always in a good mood. But he's an

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<v Speaker 1>emotionhow guy. So maybe we'll get him to cry.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you never know. You never know on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>it can go a billion different ways. But we're excited

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<v Speaker 2>to chat with him. I feel like we saw bits

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<v Speaker 2>and pieces of his relationship with Joan, but just to

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<v Speaker 2>learn more about their connection and what they bonded over,

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<v Speaker 2>and just more about Gary in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Joan. Something I'm realizing watching this show is Joan

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the greatest poker face face.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, and I felt that in

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. Yeah, big time. I feel like it's with

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<v Speaker 2>some seasons it's very hard to tell where the lead

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<v Speaker 2>is falling with their feelings, and others it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit easier, which is just you know, it's natural, like

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<v Speaker 2>some po where their herd on the sleeve a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more than others. And yeah, Joan I'm starting to

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<v Speaker 2>see where things are headed me too, but too, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be it'll be good to chat with Gary later. And

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about episode five?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was entertaining.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this episode was good. Lots is happening. We're

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<v Speaker 2>heading into hometown, so it's always kind of like a pivotable, pivotable,

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<v Speaker 2>pivotal episode. Yes, what did you think of this episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Any favorite moments?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my favorite, My my favorite moment, this might have

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<v Speaker 1>been my favorite moment on the entire season, was not

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<v Speaker 1>Mark leaving, but just Pascal being like Mark's my best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, really hard, and you know what, Pascal was

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<v Speaker 2>such a hype man for him when he was going

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<v Speaker 2>on his date too.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just looked at these two older men at

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<v Speaker 1>they reminded me of just like innocent twelve year old boys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, being like he's my best friend. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 2>we're in different classes in sixth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, collegue, some of your best friend and I still

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<v Speaker 1>do it. We all do it, but it just is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we all have best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>It just sounds so childish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but in a sweet way. Yeah, I liked it too.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a sweet moment. And I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was relatable having been a contested on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes he's my best friend. That was funny.

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<v Speaker 2>He sounded like Sonny a little bit in that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Joe's best friend's son. But yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it is relatable having been on the show. When

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<v Speaker 2>the person that or one of the people that you're

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<v Speaker 2>closest to and you're really confiding and you trust to

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of vent to and lean on when you're

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<v Speaker 2>having tough moments leaves, it is hard. Like when Abigail

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<v Speaker 2>left when we were on Paradise. I was devastated. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I can't do this without her, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>need her here, I need her to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the standout moment for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Standing moment for me probably the hummingbird moment with Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought that was really impactful, especially having the

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<v Speaker 2>background information about Kelsey being on the show and talking

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<v Speaker 2>about her connection to her mom, So just seeing him

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<v Speaker 2>open up and be vulnerable about that, I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>really beautiful. I agree there's a lot of reference to

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<v Speaker 2>symbolism and animals and comfort and that I will see

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the most recent seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say the yacht date was very awkward.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but let's kick it off at the top and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into all of it all, right, let's do it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So week starts off, we find out that she is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be giving out any group date roses

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<v Speaker 2>on the one on ones or the group date. What

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<v Speaker 2>did you think about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine with it too. It's not very common. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we rarely see them say, like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if we've I can't actually remember a time where

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<v Speaker 2>they've said we're not going to give out roses until

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<v Speaker 2>the rose ceremony.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like roses on dates?

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<v Speaker 2>Really? Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I like I like it saving it all for

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<v Speaker 1>the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this week, if there's a week, to

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<v Speaker 2>not give out a rose on a date, because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the roses make things a little bit juicier

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<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of telling on where the lead is leaning,

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<v Speaker 2>especially the group date roses. But I feel like at

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<v Speaker 2>this point it's such a serious week going into hometowns,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes the most sense out of any other week

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, I'm gonna wait and give myself time

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<v Speaker 2>to like think on this until the end of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>She had her chat with Trista. Trista has been like

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<v Speaker 2>the comeback queen of the franchise. She's on every single season.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they love her for Golden, but she was on

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<v Speaker 1>Gen season two? Was she on Gen?

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<v Speaker 2>She came and did the follow the Yellow Brick Road date.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Trista has been on the past. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like since we've been on Bachelor Happy Hour, I think

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<v Speaker 1>she's been on every season that we've recapped.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she might hold a record for cameos. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's great. I mean, we love to see her. So

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<v Speaker 2>they have a chat and Trista kind of explains I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like my biggest regret was not being open enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously she met her husband on the show, and

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<v Speaker 2>she said she wished she'd been more vulnerable and open

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<v Speaker 2>with her feelings about him, and I feel like that's because.

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<v Speaker 1>He was with her. But I disagree. I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe. I don't think that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think that's good advice?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know she's been married to Ryan now for

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<v Speaker 1>so long that she forget I feel like she probably

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<v Speaker 1>forgets that she did have feelings for other people in

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<v Speaker 1>at the time and you don't. I feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>lead doesn't always know which way to go, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you are if you do tell someone you love them,

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<v Speaker 1>like in Clayton eckert situation where he told multiple people

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<v Speaker 1>that he loved them, there ends up being there's always

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<v Speaker 1>there's always an issue with that, and then your your

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<v Speaker 1>person potentially watches it back. So I almost think you're

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<v Speaker 1>better off keeping those feelings close to your chest, and

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<v Speaker 1>then afterwards, when you do choose that person, you could

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<v Speaker 1>be more vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's such a fine line, and I think every

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<v Speaker 2>lead would likely have a different take on it based

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<v Speaker 2>on their experience. Like if you ask Ben Higgins who

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<v Speaker 2>told multiple people, Clayton ecker who told multiple people, versus

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<v Speaker 2>some of the people that might have been more conservative

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<v Speaker 2>with their feelings. I think they're all gonna have different answers.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't be too conservative like Zach who just

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<v Speaker 1>went out there and was like, I'm not having sex

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<v Speaker 1>with anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he wasn't conservative at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>He threw that out the window. But I do agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you. I think opening up about your feelings too

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<v Speaker 2>much is a very risky move that doesn't always pay

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<v Speaker 2>off and being a little bit more closed off is

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the safer play, but you're less likely to hurt

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<v Speaker 2>someone's feelings if you change your mind or something happens

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<v Speaker 2>where you said it to people in that person that

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<v Speaker 2>you end up with has a problem with that anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>First group date or sorry, first date is a one

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<v Speaker 2>on one and it's with Keith, who got the first

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<v Speaker 2>impression Rose night one from Joan and last week they

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<v Speaker 2>had a chat at I think it was the cocktail

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<v Speaker 2>party before the Rose ceremony, and it was quite awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>Their relationship has really been on the decline since first

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<v Speaker 1>and Pressure rows. We see that every so often that

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<v Speaker 1>the person that gets the first im pressure rolls like

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<v Speaker 1>if they I feel like the truth is if the

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<v Speaker 1>person that gets the first impressure Rose isn't top two,

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<v Speaker 1>like we usually see that relationship like fizzle pretty hard,

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<v Speaker 1>like it there becomes like all of a sudden, there's

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<v Speaker 1>just like zero connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think that there's been this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>awkwardness between Keith and Joe in the last few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>where it just feels like the relationship isn't moving in

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<v Speaker 2>a romantic direction and Keith seems to be freaking out

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<v Speaker 2>because of that awkwardness, because he wants it to go

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<v Speaker 2>in that direction. But I feel like what's happened is

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<v Speaker 2>he wants it to move to be more serious, more romantic,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just think Jones not feeling it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's like, why isn't this working? And it's making

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<v Speaker 2>him feel uncomfortable and anxious. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, I think that's coming from a place of him,

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<v Speaker 2>like deep down feeling like his emotions are not being reciprocated.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're being reciprocated. Like I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>she feels that romantic connection with him. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>turned into way more of a friendship on her end

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<v Speaker 2>at least. Yeah, like there was I was getting like

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<v Speaker 2>no spark from her on this date. Yeah, I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean I thought it was pretty like going

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<v Speaker 2>to a winery and sitting and drinking wine. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>liked the activity for ye.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, yeah, it's hard because that's why, in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, like Paradisis Is, it's a better show because

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<v Speaker 1>there's just you just have there's just more options, where

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<v Speaker 1>like it's hard for somebody like Keith who now he's

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<v Speaker 1>questioning himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when yeah, he's getting in his.

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<v Speaker 1>Head, Yeah, when the answer is kind of just simple,

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<v Speaker 1>like she's just not really that into you, that she's

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<v Speaker 1>really into a few other guys. And now you're you're questioning, like,

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<v Speaker 1>is there something wrong with me? Is this and that?

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<v Speaker 1>But like, you know, if if the situation situation was

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<v Speaker 1>a paradise situation, you two may not even have ever.

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<v Speaker 2>You never gotten this far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just think that she gave him that first

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<v Speaker 2>impression rose because he did make a great first impression.

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<v Speaker 2>He came out very strong, very confident. They had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun together, a lot in common, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it made for a great base for a friendship

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<v Speaker 2>for them to get along, and I think his romantic

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<v Speaker 2>feelings grew and hers just didn't. Unfortunately, in the midst

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<v Speaker 2>of this one on one, we see a scene with Mark. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>back at the house. He's kind of walking around a

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<v Speaker 2>side we see clips of a hummingbird, and it cuts

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<v Speaker 2>to him talking to the men inside, kind of opening

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<v Speaker 2>up to them about what that means about how his

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<v Speaker 2>late wife, Denise, he feels connected to her through this

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<v Speaker 2>symbol of a hummingbird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And when we did interview Mark, He's mentioned like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I lost my wife that was out of

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<v Speaker 1>my control. We didn't get a divorce, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think just the process of dealing with that is just

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<v Speaker 1>so tough, and we see that.

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<v Speaker 2>And just if you guys watched Joey's season, Mark's daughter

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<v Speaker 2>Kelsey was on it and she talked about the passing

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<v Speaker 2>of her mom and she feels connected to her mom

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<v Speaker 2>through the symbol of butterflies. So to see that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of mirrored and Mark's experience with the hummingbird, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like really sad, and just seeing the depth

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<v Speaker 2>of his grief for his late wife was obviously heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 2>because he's in this proble of trying to move on

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<v Speaker 2>while also missing the person that he committed spending his

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<v Speaker 2>life with. But simultaneously, there was like beauty and hope

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<v Speaker 2>in it because the symbol reflected him feeling like reassured

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<v Speaker 2>that he was here for a reason, he was doing

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing, and that there is still hope for

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<v Speaker 2>him to find love again and kind of feeling reassured

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<v Speaker 2>that that's what his wife would have wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and watching it, I think everyone was hoping that

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<v Speaker 1>Mark was the guy to receive the next one on one,

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<v Speaker 1>which he ends up being the next guy to receive

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<v Speaker 1>the one on one because she announces the group date

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<v Speaker 1>and he's not on it, and it's a bowling group date.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bullying group date. What did you think of

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<v Speaker 2>the group date?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, okay, so whatever group dates find fun, they bowl?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Secalcal does one with the bullying shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he does great. He bowls a strike or

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<v Speaker 1>close to a strike. But I think the big thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is kind of the first time all season,

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<v Speaker 1>and we see this so much in the regular seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you see Chok kind of just like all

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<v Speaker 1>over Joan, his arm around her. She's like snuggled up

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<v Speaker 1>in his embrace.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They did a wide shot of it, and you

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<v Speaker 2>could see the guy sitting like scattered amongst the bench

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're all like five feet away from each other,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Joan and Chalk are just like in the

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<v Speaker 2>corner like cuddling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And like I've always I'm always someone that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I'm like, yeah, like, hey, listen, it's fair game,

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<v Speaker 1>like you do do your thing, really, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>think when when you are in a room with all

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<v Speaker 1>the other guys. I think there's kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>time and place and if you are going to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine, but like let's make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick and let's make a sneaky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, ye a little more.

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<v Speaker 2>You had a bowling date when I was on The Bachelor,

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<v Speaker 2>and if one of the girls had gone up and

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<v Speaker 2>just like we're all in a group hanging out and

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<v Speaker 2>just sat on the Bachelor's lap, I'd be like, grill

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<v Speaker 2>a friend, You've got to be kidding me, Like pull

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<v Speaker 2>them off to the side and make out in a

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<v Speaker 2>dark corner, like I don't care, but you're you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of airing it out for all of us to see.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also I mean, it's also a little on Joan.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little on the lead because she also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of needs to be aware that there are other guys and.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, I know, but the lead is always

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<v Speaker 2>in a tough position there of like not wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>make anyone feel rejected. And I also think that her

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<v Speaker 2>and Chalcolate really like each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, like.

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<v Speaker 2>He's definitely up there. I also on top of that, though,

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<v Speaker 2>like we haven't seen a lot of aggressive is a

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<v Speaker 2>strong word, but like the guys aren't really like pursuing

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<v Speaker 2>Joan in a strong way.

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<v Speaker 1>No, They're more passive.

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<v Speaker 2>They're more passive, at least from what we've seen. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm her, I'm like thank you, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to feel pursued. I want to feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you guys want me like you're coming after me a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Yeah, I think that there's a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a chase happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think that it comes with like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how many of them were actively dating before the show,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would say it's they're not as active as

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<v Speaker 1>your your twenty year olds, So I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really like they're not at a bar, like going for

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<v Speaker 2>a girl who's got like two other guys kind of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I just I just think it's a little Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfamiliar territory one percent. Yeah, But I thought the bowling

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<v Speaker 2>was fun. I thought it was fun, honestly to have

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<v Speaker 2>just like a little bit of tension on the date

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like everything's gone so smoothly this whole season,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I've been very like lovely and sweet to

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<v Speaker 2>just have the guys kind of be a little bit. Ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, is that bad to say? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I agree hundred percent. Like right now, I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's very much like Joan. Joan's favorite is Chalk.

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<v Speaker 2>At least from this date, And to me, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Only one right now that I'm kind of getting like

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<v Speaker 1>can't give chalk or run for his money is probably Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the same way. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then other than that, it's yet it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we and we see who ends up going to hometowns

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<v Speaker 1>because this is the episode. Yeah, yeah, which I like.

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<v Speaker 1>Before this episode so before we're gonna we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>Mark's yacht date. But before Mark's yacht date, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have never, never have guessed that Pascal was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in their over Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree with you on that. Yeah, because we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen a lot more Jonathan. I thought Jonathan or

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<v Speaker 2>my Mark, we're going to be that fourth spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we just haven't seen a lot of Pascal

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<v Speaker 2>and Jones' relationships since their second week one on one date.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I just think especially on this group date,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw Joan and Jonathan have kind of a morning meaningful,

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<v Speaker 2>in depth conversation. He's showing her, like photos of him

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<v Speaker 2>and his family and cards and all these things just

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<v Speaker 2>felt like there might be a little bit more like

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<v Speaker 2>depth to that relationship and Mar's relationship than hers with Pascal.

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<v Speaker 2>But it also just might be like Pascal's such personality

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<v Speaker 2>and like we see a lot of the like fun,

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<v Speaker 2>silly moments, but maybe they've had more deep moments as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So we cut to March yacht date one

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<v Speaker 1>on one date.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I don't know why this is. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the yacht dates always get such crap weather, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's full fog and overcast.

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<v Speaker 1>La is like la is sunny three hundred days out

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, And.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like every time they do a yacht date, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the helicopter dates, it's like blue sky and then

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<v Speaker 2>they throw them on a boat and it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's bumpy and cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's kind of how this date really kicks off,

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<v Speaker 1>is bumpy and cold. Like they're kind of both just

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<v Speaker 1>yeah emotionally too, Yeah, they're both kind of just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pretty quiet. And I think this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that I've now seen Joan and Mark together where

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, they actually don't really seem to

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<v Speaker 1>have a strong connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean like silence doesn't always mean awkward silence,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they could have just been sitting there enjoying their

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<v Speaker 2>time together, but at the same time, like this is

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<v Speaker 2>your first one on wine, like there should be a

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<v Speaker 2>little excitement, a little adrenaline, and the convo just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be flowing. I would say neither of them

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<v Speaker 2>are really yappers either, Like Mark is a little more soft,

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<v Speaker 2>a little more reserved. Definitely great conversationalists, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem like either of them's like propelling the conversation, if

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it didn't in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely not in that moment. So I think that the game,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Scavenger Hunt game, was absolutely necessary, Like they

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<v Speaker 2>needed an activity, which is not uncommon, like a lot

0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.320
<v Speaker 2>of people on first dates want to do an activity

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<v Speaker 2>because sometimes sitting and just having a conversation for three

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<v Speaker 2>hours with someone you don't know that well is a

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<v Speaker 2>little difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's even more difficult when there's cameras in

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<v Speaker 1>your face.

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<v Speaker 2>And who knows, maybe, like the boat was loud, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it just it just wasn't It was just

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<v Speaker 1>overall like overall this date, I don't know, there's not

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<v Speaker 1>much to say. It was just kind of like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like we now know Mark is not

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<v Speaker 1>the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think what their relationship on the date reminded

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<v Speaker 2>me a lot of was from last season on the

0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Golden Bauchler Gary and Susan's relationship. They clearly had such

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<v Speaker 2>a strong connection on a like a friendship bond, and

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<v Speaker 2>they really enjoyed each other, but maybe they weren't the

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<v Speaker 2>right fit for each other. As it's not even that

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<v Speaker 2>there was no chemistry, it's just like I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>think there are necessarily a fit for each other as partners.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we see after their date the next

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<v Speaker 1>following day, calls Mark to the side to like speak

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<v Speaker 1>with him and and her Her side of the story

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<v Speaker 1>is she essentially said like, I think you've grown a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't really think that you are ready. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you're ready like when I was ready, and therefore we

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<v Speaker 1>are no longer on the same pace.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I she said I need someone as far along

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<v Speaker 2>in their journey as I am, which made to me

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<v Speaker 2>the way I took it was that she was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to find my partner. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you're where I am in your dating journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Seeah, okay, okay, so let's stop there.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what she said, but I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>misreading that, But that is what she said, and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>like I wrote the standard said, I didn't see us

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<v Speaker 2>in our conversations, and it does seem like he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about his wife and she talks about her husband. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's majority of their conversations is talking about the bond

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.720
<v Speaker 2>that they have over the loss of their spouses versus

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<v Speaker 2>like what their lives would be like together as a unit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is definitely what But I feel like that's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's that was her conversation with majority

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<v Speaker 1>of the guys and I, I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know yet. It's I don't because I want to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like Mark's ready. I'm watching it and

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<v Speaker 1>Mark's not giving me that like I'm not ready for

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<v Speaker 1>a serious relationship.

0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.880
<v Speaker 2>No, he's not really giving that to me either. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that it might have felt that way though, because

0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.399
<v Speaker 2>their main topic of conversation was their spouses. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily know if that's because Mark isn't ready

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<v Speaker 2>which maybe he's not, like we could ask him if

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<v Speaker 2>we hopefully get to chat with him again, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's just that they didn't really have much in common

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<v Speaker 2>and that was kind of the thing that they think

0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 2>fell on it. Really I think so too. Like I

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.440
<v Speaker 2>think that was the thing they had in common, and

0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.520
<v Speaker 2>he is very eloquent in speaking about his experience with

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<v Speaker 2>that and with his grief, and I think he was

0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.520
<v Speaker 2>almost like a support system for her in this journey,

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<v Speaker 2>guiding her through that. And I think it stalled the

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<v Speaker 2>progression of their relationship because that was just like the

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<v Speaker 2>main topic of conversation that they were having. Yeah, it

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.600
<v Speaker 2>also might just be something that he's comfortable talking about

0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:35.040
<v Speaker 2>and she's comfortable talking about, and they didn't really leave

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:36.240
<v Speaker 2>that comfort zone together.

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<v Speaker 1>So then the question is why did she But my

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<v Speaker 1>question to you right now is why did she pull

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<v Speaker 1>Mark to the side and give him special treatment? Why

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<v Speaker 1>do I not just not give Mark a rose? I

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<v Speaker 1>just think she liked him more than the other two,

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think so? Huh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that also they had a special one on

0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.439
<v Speaker 2>one day the day before. I think that of the

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.919
<v Speaker 2>three guys he sent home, she had the strongest connection

0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:03.600
<v Speaker 2>with him, Like, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think, do you think if Joan had a rose on that.

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Date she would have given it to him?

0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 1>She would have felt the pressure and just gave him

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the rose, or because we're going in the hometowns.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, And I think that she knew she was

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<v Speaker 2>probably having one on ones with Keith and Mark and

0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.040
<v Speaker 2>probably was going into them not sure if she was

0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.240
<v Speaker 2>going to be bringing them to hometowns, and that influenced

0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the decision to not be giving out any roses. Yeah, yeah,

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.399
<v Speaker 2>because she might have just been like, I don't know,

0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and I might leave the date any more time to

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<v Speaker 2>think about it before the rose ceremony. Yeah, well, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think Keith would not have gotten a

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<v Speaker 2>rose because Keith didn't even get a walk out.

0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:45.240
<v Speaker 1>No Keith getting off it.

0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:50.240
<v Speaker 2>But I think if but I think that by Keith,

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<v Speaker 2>sorry sorry, by sorry buddy. But I think that at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the oft date, I could have seen

0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Joan being like, I can't give this out. I'm not sure.

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I have to think on things more. Yeah. I mean

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:04.600
<v Speaker 2>their conversation was really heartfelt. They're both very genuine in it.

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:10.119
<v Speaker 2>The lighting is so good, it's like Golden Hour. They're outside,

0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean like the chocolate and like the most gorgeous way.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you were excited, you were very excited about the boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, lighting was so I really enjoyed that.

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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, Mark, Mark goes home. It's it's a sad departure.

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<v Speaker 1>All the guys we see. Pascal's like my best friends

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<v Speaker 1>going home. I know, but Mark was. I feel like

0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Mark was that guy. And I guess this is why

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<v Speaker 1>it probably makes sense that Joan made a special moment

0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 1>for Mark. It was like you could see like Mark

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:43.560
<v Speaker 1>was basically everybody's favorite person in the house, which is

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 1>which is difficult because he kind of went in there

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:49.880
<v Speaker 1>where most guys I think would be a little jealous

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.480
<v Speaker 1>or envious of the situation that Mark was in. Yeah,

0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and he was clearly Yeah, he was the most likable

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 1>guy in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. And I also think that it doesn't seem

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 2>that he has dated extensively, if really at all, since

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:06.719
<v Speaker 2>the passing of his wife. And I think it was

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:10.959
<v Speaker 2>definitely considerate of her to not be like, let me

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 2>meet your family, let me be one of the first,

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 2>if only people you've brought home to your kids and

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 2>your siblings and all these people after your wife passed.

0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:22.639
<v Speaker 2>If I know that, I'm not going to end up

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I do have a quick, a little question. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>do we think that because Mark has a history with

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<v Speaker 1>the show, meaning his history is Kelsey who is now

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<v Speaker 1>engaged to Joey who was the last Bachelor, do we

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 1>think that played any part in Joan making a special

0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:50.880
<v Speaker 1>moment for Mark.

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Like, do you we think that she was more sensitive

0:24:55.200 --> 0:25:00.640
<v Speaker 2>towards sending him home because he has his and his

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 2>future son a lot within the franchise.

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not only that, Joan in a way knows a

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>little more about his daughter, Like she Joan has watched Kelly,

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>She's met her, she's watched her experience. So maybe because

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 1>she has that personal connection to Kelsey.

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<v Speaker 2>She was right. It's kind of like if you're a

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 2>boss in an office and you have to fire three

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.959
<v Speaker 2>people and two of them are just like employees, and

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 2>one of them is like.

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Your friend or your friend's child or your friends child.

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna handle that one maybe a little bit differently.

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<v Speaker 2>I see what you're saying, and maybe that played a

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 2>small role, but I don't think it played a big role,

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 2>because I do think that he was so vulnerable. I

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 2>do think that they had a connection. I do think

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 2>she really liked him. I just think there was a

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 2>little bit extra. I think she just felt like there

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 2>was a little extra sensitivity needed in the breakup, especially

0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 2>because they had literally just had their one on one

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:03.639
<v Speaker 2>date the day before, so it's always gonna sting. No,

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Keith was like three days. You know, it's like a

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 2>year in bachelor World.

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I think I played a bigger part than than you think.

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we could ask her.

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we agree to disagreem.

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 2>We agree to disagree, and we'll maybe never know the truth. Yeah,

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 2>but I mean it's an interesting thing to think about,

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>and it's definitely possible, even if it was like subconscious

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:19.640
<v Speaker 2>on her part.

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>So we got we have hometowns coming up.

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what Mark said? That was really sweet

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 2>when he left, though, he did say I'm leaving here

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>a better human being, a better man, and a better father,

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.719
<v Speaker 2>and I thought that was really a nice thing to say.

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I believe him. And we we have hometowns

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>next week. So Keith and Jonathan ended up not getting

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>a row yeah.

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Which Jonathan I was like, he Keith, I was pretty

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 2>sure wasn't gonna work out. As much as I really

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 2>like him, I just didn't see them together. Jonathan, I

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 2>thought might sneak in there over Pascal or Guy.

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I don't know. After interviewing John then

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that.

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Just you don't see him with Joan.

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and just the way he talked about his whole

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>experience on the show.

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if people. I wonder if Joan thinks about

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 2>like the ages of the kids and like the jobs,

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>like if if she's looking at people. I mean, it

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 2>sounds unromantic, but.

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:28.360
<v Speaker 1>It's a practical thing to think about.

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:30.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, Okay, if you know, one person is

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>if she's retired and the other person's retired and they

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 2>have grown kids, and that gives them more flexibility and

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>their lifestyles can match up, versus if it's someone that's

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 2>like maybe a little bit younger and working still and

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:45.439
<v Speaker 2>they have young kids, where it's like there's still a

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of parenting and involvement happening. Like, I wonder if

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>that's something that she thought about throughout this process. Yeah,

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>I think you kind of have to a little bit

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>because it is going to drastically impact your lifestyle, and

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 2>she does say she doesn't want to move. So someone

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.200
<v Speaker 2>somewhere with young kids, they're probably not picking up they're

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, fourteen year old and dragging him to where

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Joone lives.

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Love love is great.

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, totally, We love love love. We're a dating show

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 2>recap podcast.

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Love love is love is a wontherful thing, and I

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>think love on this show is the main driver comes

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>first when you're choosing the person that you want to

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>end up with. But you do have to consider everything

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna if you're serious about making the relationship

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>work after the show, Yeah, you have to put everything

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>into consideration. Where they live, how old they are, how

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>many kids.

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 2>They have, are they moving?

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, all that shit's gonna matter when you get

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>off of.

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 2>The trum retirement, how much you know there's spending habits

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 2>are like everything.

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you're not you can't. You're not going to

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>be able to live in bachelor Land forever.

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And I also think when we look at Bacher or

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Bacher at Bachelor in Paradise and we're dealing, you know,

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>with early twenty to mid thirty year olds, it's a

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit easier to like I would all away for love,

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>whereas when you're sixty five seventy, I mean, depends on

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the person. But from what we've seen the past two seasons,

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>there's much less of that than there is in the

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 2>season of like, well, we got to figure out where

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>to live, but we'll figure it out. You know, I'm

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>willing to move, he's willing to move. We're both going

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 2>to take a year off work, and then you know,

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 2>there's just a little more flexibility, especially when kids aren't involved.

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I think kids really change everything.

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we have we have our final four, our

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>final four men.

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Yep, we have Jordan Chalk those are my two. Those

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to be top two.

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Me too.

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 2>And then we have Guy Guy, and we have Pascal Pascal.

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I love that Pascal slo.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for his hometown. I'm so excited me

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.239
<v Speaker 2>to it's in Chicago. Oh yeah, they're gonna have two

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>of the towns in Chicago because it too.

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's what's what are our final fours looking like?

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>How do you have left? I have two in there?

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so your predictions were Guy, who's in the final four,

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan fortunately just missed out, Jordan and then Dan and

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>then mine. I had, uh Chalk still there, Yeah, the chocks.

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, Chalk's the heavy hitter right now, he's the favorite.

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think Jordan could really sneak up from behind,

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>not behind, he's not far behind. If anything, they're close.

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Sequel, you you have the doesn't matter if I have

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>two losers, you have the you have the favorite.

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>You don't know that though you're basically up one cuddle session,

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>not a bowling alley. Well, I have Chalk, I have

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Charles k who is left earlier on Mark who's now

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately gone, and Keith who'sunfortunately go. So I have one

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>and you have two.

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Two. I have two horses in the race and you

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 1>have one.

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately it only takes one to win.

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Though it only takes one to win. It's a Kentucky Derby,

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>and I think you might have the winner.

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, we will have to see next week.

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>We have hometowns, so be sure to tune into that,

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 2>and then we will have our recap and a special

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>guest interview as well.

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Yep, and make sure you check out our episode with

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Gary coming up. You won't want to miss it. Thank

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>you for tuning in and listening to Bachelor Happy y'all, all.

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.840
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0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.360
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