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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 1: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 1: a sibling.

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Speaker 2: Railvalry, No, no, sibling. Don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 3: Vely, that's good.

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Speaker 1: I just got off the road on the roads today,

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Speaker 1: bannh no A little up the tent from the desert,

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Speaker 1: and I think my kids are still at your house.

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Speaker 3: The kids were sleeping.

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Speaker 2: I got a call last night from Wilder.

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Speaker 3: Auntie Kate can. I like can like someone turned the

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Speaker 3: like dracuzion and like the lights in the pool, it's

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Speaker 3: like really dark on here. And he goes, I'll text

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Speaker 3: you when I'm done, you know, And of course did

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Speaker 3: not text when he was done, and he did text you.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Wilder. I was like, Wilder just like living

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Speaker 3: living it up at his antique desert chefs to.

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Speaker 1: Come over and like maybe cook some breakfast.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't have.

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Speaker 1: But it was a great holiday, but I need like

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Speaker 1: a holiday from a holiday.

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Speaker 3: That's always what happened. Why because it's stressful.

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Speaker 1: I know it's stressful, but everyone drinks and has fun

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Speaker 1: and you're celebrating too much and then you finish and

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Speaker 1: you're like, I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 3: Well, you were drinking a lot more than I know.

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Speaker 1: See, getting after it more than you normally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you were like at nine thirty, I like

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Speaker 3: went to breakfast and you were like you would like

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Speaker 3: a beer, yeah, with like lime squeezed in it, which

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Speaker 3: was a first for me to see refreshing You actually

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Speaker 3: cared about the lines.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was an ice cold mug where the

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Speaker 1: corona was actually like slushing just a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with that sort of hint of citrus and little salt. Yeah, sick,

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Speaker 1: and then you just feel amazing. I think more people

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Speaker 1: will relate than not.

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Speaker 3: I know, but it did kind of make me sick,

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Speaker 3: just because we had, like we really did go pretty

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Speaker 3: hard this holiday season, and so when I saw that, I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, wow, that is coming two of them because.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which made me even sicker.

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Speaker 2: It was like WHOA.

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Speaker 3: I think it's because you had your prenuvo and you

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Speaker 3: had no fatty liver, and.

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Speaker 1: So you just just try to make it fatty, like.

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Speaker 3: You're like, you know what, things look good?

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Speaker 4: Like.

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Speaker 3: The worst thing you could have.

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Speaker 2: Done was have like no findings on your premium.

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Speaker 3: Well, we all threw up. I kind of feel weird

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Speaker 3: talking about this a little bit, but but I'm going

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Speaker 3: to because this was the first time this happened. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I have never I don't know what got into me

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Speaker 3: or what happened. And I think even something else it

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Speaker 3: was possibly could have been something else, but like everyone

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Speaker 3: was like, maybe it had something to do with maybe

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Speaker 3: it had something to do with Martini.

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Speaker 2: And then red wine. But and this is what your

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Speaker 2: wife's whole thing was.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand this theory.

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Speaker 3: I've I've had Martini's and wine before. I'm just thinking

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Speaker 3: maybe it was like the fourth bottle.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: But you don't want well you don't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't well I didn't drink that many, but but

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Speaker 2: I did wake up.

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Speaker 3: I felt terrible. I then was fine in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the day. I like got myself together, and then

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Speaker 3: went to bed that night and got really sick and

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't understand what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And I was like right and helped me.

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Speaker 4: To get over here.

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Speaker 3: And I've never had that, and then and then and

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Speaker 3: then the next night was Aaron, Oh no, it was you.

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Speaker 3: And then you were the next night, I just you

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Speaker 3: and you threw up. And then the next night was

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Speaker 3: Aaron and she also.

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Speaker 1: I know, well she just drank way too much wine

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Speaker 1: and then smoked a big joint, which you cannot do.

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Speaker 3: But then I realized. Then then the next morning I

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Speaker 3: was like, this is this is there's something wrong, there's

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Speaker 3: this is not okay. You know it was it was

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Speaker 3: there was something that was like, what is this telling us?

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Speaker 3: We've never had this any holiday season? No, no, And

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Speaker 3: for some reason, this one was like, guys, get it together.

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Speaker 1: It's I'm happy it's Monday. Oh happy, like to not

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Speaker 1: drink for the week and out, I know, working out again.

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Speaker 1: I know, Oh god, I know.

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Speaker 3: But then it's like six thirty and you're like, holiday season,

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Speaker 3: it's a tough one with a balance, balance in the holidays.

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Speaker 3: We should talk to an expert about this.

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Speaker 1: That's a good idea, Yeah, because it's impossible.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely not going to be the Madams, which is

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Speaker 2: our next.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like we can as much

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Speaker 3: sid Joel, Joel and Benji.

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Speaker 1: Although you've known them, I've known this for so long,

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Speaker 1: good friends with them for so long.

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Speaker 3: Joel. I've known Joel and Nicole, who are the absolute

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Speaker 3: best couple. I love them so much. Joel is the

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Speaker 3: best human ever. I just really appreciate it. I don't

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Speaker 3: know Benji as much and as well as I know Joel,

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Speaker 3: but I'm really excited to interview them because they're just

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Speaker 3: the kindest, most lovely people.

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Speaker 2: And they've i mean, I mean they've been doing good.

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Speaker 2: They've been in good.

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Speaker 3: Charlotte, I mean since they they're born, since they were born.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into that, we'll get into out. But anyway, they.

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Speaker 1: Want to SoRs and are doing amazing with their with

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Speaker 1: their streaming stuff which I was reading about. It allows

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Speaker 1: them to just be home, family first stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and that's that's who they are. They

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Speaker 3: are family first and they they probably are actually the

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Speaker 3: people to talk to you about balance because they totally

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Speaker 3: cleaned their life up. They're like, fully, they're.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, well, are they here? We can ask them?

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Speaker 4: What day?

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy?

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Speaker 1: Oh are you good?

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Speaker 3: How's it going, guys? Welcome to our podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We were just talking about over consuming you during

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Speaker 1: the holiday season and how I can't stop every day

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Speaker 1: I wake up wondering if I'm an alcoholic or not,

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Speaker 1: which probably means I am, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about balance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, balance is good most of the time.

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Speaker 2: And then I said, I'm not I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: mean Benji and Joel. Maybe maybe they're the right people

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Speaker 2: to talk to about balance.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not.

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Speaker 2: And then we were like.

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Speaker 3: Well, you look at all the years that have gone by,

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Speaker 3: and this year was we went a little harder than

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Speaker 3: we've normally gone. Yeah, and it was like everyone threw

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Speaker 3: up at one point. We were like, this is problem.

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Speaker 5: I think the world is going harder for some reason

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Speaker 5: this year in all aspects, and I think it's a

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Speaker 5: cultural moment.

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Speaker 4: Uh that we could probably all find.

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Speaker 5: Ways in which we are going we're going to excess

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Speaker 5: uh in some way, shape or form. I think it's

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Speaker 5: like a moment in the world and energetically, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I feel that way. I really think if you are

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Speaker 5: asking yourself if you're an alcoholic, I actually think that's

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Speaker 5: a good sign because I actually think if you're an alcoholic,

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Speaker 5: you're not you're unaware of it, right, Oh right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's your internal break system where it's that's just your

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Speaker 5: internal break system. So I think that most people, yeah,

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Speaker 5: most people have have to have interventions done on them

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Speaker 5: if they other people have.

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Speaker 1: To, right, I know. But it's just like a going

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Speaker 1: to drink today. I don't want to drink. I'm just

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Speaker 1: you know, the six thirty seven rolls around, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I get I'm gonna drink, have a drink.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. It work for it all year long. You work

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Speaker 4: for those holidays, you know, That's right?

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Speaker 1: Which is we're in you guys sober or you guys

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Speaker 1: still No?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, not sober sober in some ways for sure.

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Speaker 5: I like to think I am very sober in some ways,

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Speaker 5: sober most of the time. Yeah, But as far as

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Speaker 5: partaking in alcohol, yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 4: I've never actually done a drug in my life. Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been in a rock band your whole life

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Speaker 2: and you've never die.

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Speaker 3: Love.

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Speaker 2: I love hearing that. That's that's a rarity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good thing, Joel, It's a good I

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Speaker 5: don't actually have a thing against I certainly don't think

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Speaker 5: drugs are good for you. But I'm not a very

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we classifying I am I judge, I judge everybody.

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Speaker 1: But weed isn't a drug. I mean, were classifying weed

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Speaker 4: No, we we we we's legal. It's legal. So got

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Speaker 4: illegals say inicit drugs. Maybe I'm kind.

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Speaker 1: Of with you. I mean, I've never done cocaine in

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Speaker 1: don't those don't count.

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Speaker 5: Was like a county. Ecstasy was like a big thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was hardly ecstasy. It was just like

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Speaker 1: all cut up with everything you could possibly imagine. You

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Speaker 3: Oliver came back. I was next to Yeah, Ollie came

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Speaker 3: I can uh, he came back. I forget what it was.

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Speaker 1: First time I've been there and last time I'll never

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Speaker 3: He was so yeah, and he came back and his

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Speaker 3: his he chewed his whole face off, like his entire mouth.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I was, like, what happened to you?

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Speaker 1: I got in a pool with the Planmate of the

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Speaker 1: Year at like four at four am and did not

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Speaker 1: get out of the pool until seven pm the next day,

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Speaker 1: and he looked like a different thing. Was crazy. It

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Speaker 3: I was worried.

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Speaker 1: How old were I was nineteen years old? Nineteen or

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Speaker 1: twenty years old?

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Speaker 3: Too young?

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Speaker 4: And that was like, you had a great time.

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Speaker 1: It was a great time. It was the Playmate of

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Speaker 1: and like I was sitting around the pool and it

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Speaker 1: seeing these like vaginas. I'm like, oh my god. But

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Speaker 4: That's the strength. Like we feel like we maybe wouldn't

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Speaker 5: I think that I always questioned and the people not

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Speaker 5: we were kind of on our own after probably fourteen,

444
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 5: and so kind of the laws and ideals that they

445
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 5: kind of preach to us all kind of just unraveled.

446
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 5: And so I think the lesson that I took from

447
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 5: that was not that the religion's wrong or they're wrong,

448
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 5: but that people are people. And then I think I also,

449
00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 5: as I got older, started to unpack, like everybody has

450
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 5: dirty laundry and makes mistakes and has things, So go

451
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 5: to any church and find any person to follow, and

452
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 5: you can find something that they've done wrong. So don't

453
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 5: buy it when someone's like presenting as perfect. That's why

454
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 5: I think I'm I try to be careful always, at

455
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 5: least when I do anything that's facing, maybe like public

456
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 5: facing or something like, I always try to be careful

457
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 5: not to present like worse, any one of us is perfect,

458
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 5: because I just think it's just a false idea that

459
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 5: you know that we're not all human and we don't

460
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 5: all make mistakes, whether we mean to or not, whether

461
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 5: we know we are or not, whether we choose to

462
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 5: or not.

463
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: So religion was always kind of like this kind of.

464
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 5: Over dramatic confine to me that constricted you from being

465
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 5: able to have the human experience, which is this really messy,

466
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 5: complex experience that's also painful and also joyful. And I

467
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 5: kind of just came to I think we rebelled against

468
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 5: it when we were teenagers and we didn't quite understand.

469
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: But I'd say bench we never really really had trouble.

470
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: I was going to say, like.

471
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 5: The way we did it was we just like we

472
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 5: were actually like we listened to everything, and we were

473
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: really good kids.

474
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: Like we just tried to make.

475
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 5: Them happy because I think they were unhappy, so we

476
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 5: were trying to make them. We were trying to make

477
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 5: them happy. So we never got in trouble. Never we were.

478
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 5: We were really really hard. But what I say when

479
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 5: I say rebel against it, I kind of meaning like

480
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 5: I moved to California as soon as I could, Right,

481
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 5: how old were you?

482
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 4: I was twenty two when I moved to California.

483
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: But you also, did you guys have an older brother, right?

484
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have an older brother and a younger sister.

485
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: And how much how many years older is your brother?

486
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 4: Eighteen months?

487
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: Right?

488
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: So he, I mean, how influential was he for you

489
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: guys during that time?

490
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 4: He was influential.

491
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 5: He left home early though we were apart from when

492
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 5: we were like thirteen or fourteen, and then we and

493
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 5: then he went out on his own like young and

494
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 5: then yeah, he was like wow.

495
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: He just like I'm out like peace, Like I got

496
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: to get the hell out of here. Yeah.

497
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

498
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 5: Basically it was a pretty tumultuous home life back then.

499
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 5: But yeah, so I think our nature like for me

500
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 5: in my mind, because I had such an idea drilled

501
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 5: into me of like the world and like especially Hollywood

502
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 5: in California and the way people are like, oh Hollywood.

503
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 5: I think my rebellion I rebelled against this the idea

504
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 5: that I was raised in by going to the place

505
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 5: where I was told was where everything was evil. And

506
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 5: so I think that was probably my my biggest way

507
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 5: of rebellion was leaving.

508
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: As far as guys, did you guys go together? Yeah,

509
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: you did, yea. So it was a joint decision. I

510
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: mean he was like fuck it, let's both get out

511
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: of here, let's both go to California.

512
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 4: Yeah yep.

513
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: And there was no resistance. There wasn't like I don't

514
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: want to, you need to. It was just like now

515
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: we're ready, let's roll.

516
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

517
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 3: No.

518
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 5: At good time, we were already like we were touring,

519
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 5: we already had like some we already had a couple

520
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: of hit songs, and like we were like getting asked

521
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: to write songs for other artists, and we were doing

522
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff and we were we kind of

523
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 5: like decided we should we should move there, so we

524
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 5: found held on the same street.

525
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: When did you discover music?

526
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: Like?

527
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: Was that? Because it's to me, it feels like inside

528
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 3: of this it just is like a perfect storm of

529
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: finding music and or an instrument and getting and disappearing

530
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: into it. And was it both of you at the

531
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: same time, or did one of you kind of lead

532
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: the other endto you know, writing and performing?

533
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 4: It was both of us. It was together. Everything we've

534
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 4: ever done, we've always done together. Yeah, we were.

535
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 5: We went to see the Beastie Boys play in nineteen

536
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 5: ninety five.

537
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 4: It's like May fifteenth, nineteen eighty five, and we were

538
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: we went to the show.

539
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 5: We had nosebleed seats and we're watching it and we

540
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 5: were just kind of watching everybody like watching freak out

541
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 5: and watching everything, and like we were just watching.

542
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: We were just taking it all in.

543
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 5: And then afterwards we were like we should do that.

544
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: You know, and and we started.

545
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 6: The band the next day, I think, Yeah, we were

546
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 6: already playing instruments, so we already did you already know

547
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 6: that you had some talent, like you were like, now,

548
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 6: fuck it, let's just start a band here, let's go

549
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 6: buy a guitar.

550
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: With always the intention of being like always the intention

551
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 5: from that very day we decided the next day, We're like,

552
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: let's start a band.

553
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 4: We'll be big, let's do it, let's go out.

554
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 5: We had been gifted a guitar and a bass from

555
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 5: a church music like director that was like helping our

556
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 5: mom out when she was having a tough time. And

557
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 5: and we had and then I had a karaoke machine

558
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 5: this like was about this big and you could have

559
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: you could plug two mics into it. So I got

560
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 5: a I got a guitar cable, and we had a mic,

561
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 5: and we we just started making up little songs, uh

562
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: really literally because they also with the guitar was a

563
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 5: little book of like songs that we.

564
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: Had little pictures on how to and how to make

565
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: the chords.

566
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 5: And and so I think I learned like three chords

567
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 5: and that was it.

568
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: And then we just started. We never learned one song.

569
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: We just started making you remember what do you remember

570
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: what your first like what your first chord?

571
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 5: Like?

572
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: We were like, yeah, this is kind of good.

573
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

574
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: The song we wrote there was a song we wrote,

575
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 5: our first kind of real song was called gravity Girl,

576
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 5: and it's there's a demo floating around online. Ok, people

577
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 5: still like hardcore fans still. You remember it was the nineties,

578
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 5: so it was all that, like it was all like alternative,

579
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 5: like nineties rock, you know.

580
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, gravity Girl.

581
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: Gravity Girl, and and it was it was it was

582
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: like heavy. I'm gonna say heavy on the d but but.

583
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: But I mean I don't mean it like that.

584
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: I mean like so it was it was the dcord

585
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: was the inspiration for that first song.

586
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, hold on the gravity Girl was what did

587
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: you record it? Like literally on a cassette tape? I

588
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: mean just on the karaoke machine.

589
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 5: Because it had two little cassette things and you could

590
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 5: you could record what you were singing.

591
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: That's amazing. And it was just it was it just

592
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: was it like just a bass and a guitar or

593
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: did you have like a drum machine of any kind

594
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: or was it just.

595
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: A gravity Girl. I'm gonna go find it.

596
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: Find that too.

597
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: There's always like that. I always find like now, like

598
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: there's always that one core that people who write music

599
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: gravitate towards. It changes, it changes, but I like that

600
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: it was d that that makes a lot of sense.

601
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: So when you were like starting this whole process, was

602
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: there like I mean, and I say this in like

603
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: the best way because there's like no competition, But I'm

604
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: saying like, was there ever that moment where you're like, I,

605
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a leading personality, Like let me lead this?

606
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: Like how did what happens when you guys disagree about something?

607
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: Or is there someone that's more like motivates things to happen,

608
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: Like who's is there more of a business brain versus

609
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: a creative brain?

610
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Like how do you guys figure out the partnership?

611
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: We So we've always been pretty naturally.

612
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 5: Benj always tends to figure out figure out how things

613
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: work or how we're going to do something, and I

614
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 5: always tend to go out and talk about it.

615
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: So I'm a natural.

616
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even say I was extroverted in school, but

617
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: being the lead singer themed to be like the job

618
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 5: that I was like I could do that, And I'm

619
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 5: also very I don't like to spend time learning how

620
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 5: to do things. So if I I'm not going to

621
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 5: spend the time to learn how to play the guitar,

622
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: it took me twenty years to learn how to play

623
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 5: the guitar, and I think I have.

624
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: Just worse add than he does. You can play guitar now, though,

625
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: yes I can.

626
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 5: So. In all of our businesses, Bench tends to be

627
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: the guy who operates everything and creates the plans and

628
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: understands how everything you know operates really from every level,

629
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 5: whether it's figuring out the financial aspect of it.

630
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: Figuring out the operational day to day of it. And

631
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: I tend to be more in sales, so I love

632
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: to go out and talk to people. I love to

633
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: look look at partnerships, look at.

634
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 5: All the things in dealing with interfacing with other people.

635
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 5: So we together, I think we make a good team.

636
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 5: Because he's not to say he doesn't go talk to

637
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: other people, but he's less interested in that.

638
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Right. You're the sizzle, he's the steak.

639
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: It's so funny because we're the same age and you

640
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: say ninety five and it's like, so that basically means

641
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: that you guys were in like just in tenth grade

642
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: or ninth tenth grade when you decided like, oh we're

643
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: going to be a band in a band and we're

644
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: going to be huge. That's just they're just going to

645
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: decide this now. So was your entire high school experience

646
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: more about band than it was about high school? Yes,

647
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: so you guys are like, get me the fuck out

648
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: of Maryland and we'll be playing arenas in four years.

649
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. And at that time, even if it.

650
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 5: Wasn't get us out of Maryland, it was like, get

651
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 5: me to d C so I can be close to

652
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 5: the action because there was some punk bands there and

653
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 5: our parents had kind of unwant, you know, unraveled, so

654
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 5: they were busy dealing with their stuff.

655
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: We didn't have anyone going what are your grades?

656
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: You know?

657
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: We had to get extra credits to graduate actually because

658
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 5: my grades were so bad. And we were working also

659
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 5: to help support my mom at the time, so we

660
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 5: both had jobs, so we were The band was all

661
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 5: kinds of things.

662
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 4: It was our dream.

663
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 5: It wasn't an escape, it was something to focus on.

664
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 5: I think it kept us out of a lot of trouble.

665
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 5: It gave us a feeling that there was something to

666
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 5: go for, which I think there was a lot of

667
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 5: value to that at that time, to like looking at

668
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 5: something that seemed impossible as possible. And because we were

669
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 5: working shitty jobs and it was very kind of adult

670
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 5: things we were dealing with. So the band was like

671
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 5: an incredible escape from a really kind of messy reality.

672
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so gravity Girl is the first single, But what point?

673
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: What point was it like holy shit, like this crazy experiment,

674
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: this sort of idea that we're going to become huge

675
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: is becoming a reality. Was there that moment where you

676
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: looked at each other like this is fucking crazy, Like

677
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I cannot believe this?

678
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety eight nineteen ninety nine was when we

679
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 5: had really kind of hit the local like peak local

680
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 5: size for the region, so for the mid Atlantic, for Pennsylvania, Maryland,

681
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 5: all the way up to New Jersey and New York.

682
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: We had built this like really cool.

683
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: Solid, big following and labels were interested.

684
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: And so in ninety nine when we signed.

685
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 5: Our first record deal, was that by then we kind

686
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 5: of knew that it was it was happening, and we

687
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 5: kind of had the bull by the horns and we

688
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 5: were just like felt unstoppable.

689
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 4: We just felt like no one was going to stop us. Again.

690
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 5: I go back to like having your partner built in

691
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: because the whole time. So we started the band in

692
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety six, So so that was.

693
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 4: Only three years later.

694
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 5: And the whole time, every time there was you know,

695
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 5: we would play like a house party and we thought

696
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 5: it was the greatest thing ever.

697
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: We would get a gig at a bar, and we

698
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: thought it was the greatest thing ever.

699
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 5: We would get you know, I mean, I remember, you know,

700
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 5: all kinds of all kinds of gigs where we were

701
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 5: doing anything it took to just get that just to

702
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 5: make that gig happen, whether we were rolling equipment from

703
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 5: our place to the gig on skateboards or like, you know,

704
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: whatever we were doing, everything felt as important as the

705
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 5: record deal, you know.

706
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: And so we because we because we were cheerleading each other,

707
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

708
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 5: We were like and you know, ever since we were

709
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 5: really young, I mean, we always shared a room. We

710
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 5: didn't have our own rooms until we bought houses, you

711
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: know what I mean, because it was cheaper to get

712
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 5: a place that we we we share a room. So yeah,

713
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 5: we did everything together and we shared a room, and

714
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 5: we were always talking.

715
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: We were always sort of dreaming. We were always just

716
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: keeping each because it was like because it was hard.

717
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 5: You know, it's like all these different jobs and one

718
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 5: little thing that's like you're one hundred dollars away from

719
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 5: being okay, and you're never and it's never there, you know.

720
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: So so.

721
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 5: Every day, every day just sort of life. You just

722
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 5: are cheerleading each other.

723
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: You're saying, this isn't gonna matter one day.

724
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 5: You know, one day we're gonna be you know, one

725
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 5: day we'll have a tour of us.

726
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: One day we'll you know, we'll be. So just that partnership,

727
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 4: just like cheerleading each other the whole time. So so if.

728
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 5: There was a moment where we really felt like it

729
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 5: was real, it was like legit, the first band practice.

730
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an important that's an important message

731
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: just for everyone honestly, artists or whatever anyone's doing is

732
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: it's real. It's an important from day one, as it

733
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: is still when you're you know, playing in front of

734
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people. You know, true, it's just the passion,

735
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: it's the desire, you know, it's just as.

736
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 5: Important, and especially if you're met with yes every step

737
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: of the way, like don't turn a yes away, don't

738
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 5: don't see a yes as a no, because you know,

739
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 5: I think sometimes now there's an instant gratification into in

740
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 5: some things, especially digitally speaking, but.

741
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 4: The work is still real. The work in real life

742
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 4: is the work. And so.

743
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 5: I think to this day, we're still the same as

744
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 5: we were, but we have more experience and information and

745
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 5: resources than we had, but we're still the same.

746
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 4: It's still the same energy. We still just.

747
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 5: Get just as excited when whether it's one of our companies,

748
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 5: a little thing happens. We still get excited over any

749
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 5: yes that we receive when we take a step forward.

750
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Will yeah, like moving into this new phase of your life.

751
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you have stepped away from the band, but

752
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: is this was it was a conscious decision. You guys

753
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: have families, now you got kids. It was like, all right,

754
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: well that's going to take us on the road. That's

755
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: going to take us away from this foundation, especially going

756
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: back into the psychology of what you guys grew up with,

757
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just that sort of fractured family.

758
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: Did that play any part in sort of saying, well,

759
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: we're never going to fucking be like this. You know,

760
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: when we have our family, we're going to make sure

761
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: that shit sticks together and we need to be here

762
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: for them, you know, which is how you sort of

763
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: took that right turn into entrepreneurship.

764
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, big time.

765
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 5: I think that you either model your life after or

766
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 5: you model it the opposite of, right.

767
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: I think those are the two strategies.

768
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: And some people have a great model and they follow

769
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 5: that and they succeed. Some people have a bad model

770
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 5: and they follow that and they fail. Some people do

771
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 5: the opposite of the great model and they fail. And

772
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 5: some people do the opposite of the bad model and

773
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 5: they succeed.

774
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 4: So I always kind to say, it's simple, those are

775
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: poor choices.

776
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: That's pretty much. There the only.

777
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: Choices, and then you can you can modify little things.

778
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 4: But the gist of it is you're modeling one of

779
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: four things, right, Yeah. And so so.

780
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 5: I think that we with family went the opposite, and

781
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 5: we I think have been fortunate because we also have

782
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 5: partners who who I think are in the same mindset

783
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 5: and and so when we started all of our the

784
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 5: businesses we have today, uh, it was a big motivation

785
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 5: of it was to be home and just to have

786
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 5: families and to be able to be at our kids,

787
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 5: you know, to be at dinner and be there for

788
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 5: a kids.

789
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

790
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: And also I remember when when you were in Australia.

791
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 3: I remember you and I talking about like just how

792
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: hard it is to have that distance and managing the

793
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 3: kids and the thing. It's just it gets it gets hard,

794
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: and I think we all have the same thing, which

795
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: is when you come from kind of like tumultuous familial

796
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: background of like parents, you almost go to meet the

797
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: other direct, like almost so far, I know, Oliver and

798
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 3: I are like, it's the other direction, which is we're

799
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: so committed to our kids that like, I have anxiety

800
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: when I leave them to the point where I'm like,

801
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: it's the opposite where I'd be like, it's fine, like

802
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 3: I haven't left my kids' dad.

803
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Bailed, Dad bailed, and you know, he did whatever the

804
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: hell it is that he did. But now it's just

805
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: for me. It's this fear that if I'm not at

806
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: every little thing, or if I'm not present in every

807
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: moment of theirs, that they're gonna be fucked up and

808
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: they're gonna have abandonment issues, which is so far from

809
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: the truth, because all of our children are so loved

810
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be there twenty four to

811
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: seven for them to understand, feel and sort of take

812
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: in that love. But there is that trauma side of

813
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: me that is like, fuck, dude, if I'm not there,

814
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: if I'm not in every moment of their lives, then

815
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: they're screwed up and there's going to be so much

816
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: therapy that I'll probably have to pay for.

817
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: And also and also for me, it's like that the

818
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: opportunities that I have not taken because I want to

819
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: be with my family, you know, is that such an

820
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: interesting thing to also? And then and then you know,

821
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 3: I don't regret any no.

822
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 4: No.

823
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: I know you say like the yes, but I'm saying,

824
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 3: like any know of doing something when it comes to

825
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: be being able to be with my kids like I've

826
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm so happy that I've been able to actually afford

827
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: to say no and to be.

828
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: With you with my children. I'm with you on that.

829
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 5: The weighing it all out and finding the balance is

830
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 5: like the the goal. But I think we're in the

831
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 5: generation of parents who constantly ask themselves, am I.

832
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: A good parent?

833
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 5: Because I think we can come from a generation of

834
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 5: parents who didn't. Actually the baseline was roof over your head,

835
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 5: food on the table, that's good parenting. I think we've evolved.

836
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 5: Now we're in this kind of generation of parents who

837
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 5: all come from that school, so we all experience a

838
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 5: similar somewhere in the world of a similar experience, and

839
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 5: I think that like we're all asking those questions. Am

840
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 5: I in touch with my kids experience?

841
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: And am I a good parent?

842
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: We like we all are, and we all probably have

843
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 5: stuff to work on like anyone else. But I think

844
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 5: like we do all ask the same questions, and probably

845
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 5: any parent listening is has had that I can't tell

846
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 5: if my kids are they having a good life or.

847
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 7: They are you yeah, yeah, I mean I think for

848
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 7: our own insanity, we got to let that go though,

849
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 7: because there's so many times, especially my kid my oldest

850
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 7: is sixteen, so they're getting into this new phase in

851
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 7: his life where it's like, oh shit, I have to

852
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 7: do things a.

853
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: Little differently now. But am I doing this direct?

854
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: Clean?

855
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: I have no clue, but just let it roll on.

856
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: You know.

857
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: I was watching this, this instagram of these kids on

858
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: the little circuit, you know, the thing at the playground

859
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 3: that you what.

860
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: Is it called this?

861
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, but like you hold onto it and

862
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 3: the kids jump on and off of it, and it's

863
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: like if you were a kid in the eighties or nineties,

864
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: like is the meme and it's just kids fucking whipping

865
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 3: themselves around this thing, like flying off of it, like

866
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: no parents around. I was like, this would never exist

867
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 3: anywhere in the world right now, Like it just wouldn't exist.

868
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: There's a part of me that sometimes I'm like, maybe

869
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: we do need to whip they need to like without

870
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: without parents. Like I know, I'm the worst defender of that.

871
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not gonna lie. So I have a question.

872
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: When you guys are in the height of success early

873
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: early on, was there any did you guys ever have

874
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: times where you were like had to take breaks from

875
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: each other, Like I always wonder with the twins, I

876
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: know we would be like that, like we would you know, Yeah, well,

877
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: if you're so into each other still connected, Like, is

878
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: there any times where you sort of had to figure

879
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 3: out like boundaries with each other or has it always

880
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: been pretty steamless?

881
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: And then and then and then piggybacking that I've read

882
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: that you guys have actually done therapy together. Is that

883
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: that's that true? Yeah? Yeah, talk about that too. That's interesting.

884
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 5: I think we just learned, like we I don't know

885
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 5: if we ever took a break from each other. We

886
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: we definitely still we talked morning, noon, and night, every

887
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 5: day of our life.

888
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: That's just that's just how we.

889
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 5: Occasionally, you know, not like a break like we took

890
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 5: a year where we didn't see each other, but like

891
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: I think, like through every phase of life, right Joel

892
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 5: got married and had kids before I did, he is

893
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 5: in apletely different place than me. There's a growing there's

894
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: a there's a re calibration that has to happen through

895
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 5: every phase of life. There's a recalibration where you have

896
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: to here's what we used to be, here's what we

897
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: are now. And and I think like when you you know,

898
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 5: when you you get married and have kids.

899
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: That becomes priority number one.

900
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 5: So so we're not each other's number one priority anymore,

901
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 5: you know, So so we're, uh, we have to recalibrate.

902
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: And and so there's probably like little periods of time,

903
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 5: a few months, little phases where you're having trouble communicating

904
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 5: or you're sort of like, you know, getting frustrated, but

905
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 5: you're really just you really just have to recalibrate. And

906
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 5: and so I think all along the way we had

907
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 5: to do that the whole time, I mean through even

908
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 5: just like being in the band together, really kind of

909
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 5: figuring out what our roles were, and then having the

910
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 5: business together, figuring out what our roles are and like

911
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 5: sort of readjusting to to that. To that in every

912
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 5: different sort of phase of life is just a natural

913
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 5: part of it. So yeah, would I don't know if

914
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 5: we took like actual like like you know, like we said,

915
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 5: we need a break for one another, I'll talk to

916
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 5: you in three weeks. But I think naturally we would

917
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 5: sort of you know, Joel would go, you know, he's

918
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 5: doing his thing right now, I'm gonna let him go

919
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 5: and do his thing. And or he's doing his thing

920
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 5: right now, I'm gonna let him do his thing and

921
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 5: then and then you know, we just sort of recalibrate,

922
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: you know.

923
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 4: But but being partners.

924
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: On Yeah, but is there like a moment when Joel

925
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: had kids, you know, where it is what it is,

926
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: that is what life does, and there's going to be

927
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: time that's taken away from that relationship that is an

928
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: extreme bond between you guys that then you that recalibration

929
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: is actually hurtful, not on purpose, but there feels like

930
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: there's some sort of a loss there in any way.

931
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 5: Sure, absolutely, I think you both we both like sort

932
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 5: of probably it probably comes out more in like sort

933
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 5: of a in some way in some point, at some

934
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 5: points frustration and then at some points.

935
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 4: Like where where you you.

936
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 5: Kind of actually go, oh, you know what, because because

937
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 5: both of us want the other one to have the

938
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 5: right priorities, and the right priority really is your wife

939
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 5: and kids, So you you would kind of back off

940
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 5: and go, I'm gonna let him take care of his

941
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 5: you know, his business right now. And but then, if anything,

942
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 5: it was a good thing because you you you internalize

943
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 5: and you go, well, where am I? You know, if

944
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 5: I invested more time in sort of you know, this

945
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 5: work or that work and I wasn't investing the time

946
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 5: in finding you know, the right partner, then I have

947
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 5: to actually look at that.

948
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: So that's another positive sort of thing.

949
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 5: When you have a partner where you have you can

950
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: you can look at something going on in their life

951
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 5: and go, you know, I think I need to invest

952
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 5: more time in in in you know, whether it's like

953
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 5: being healthy or or you know, a skill set or

954
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 5: or what does my life look like? And so I

955
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 5: think that, yeah, there there's definitely been times where we've

956
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 5: had to sort of we've had to sort of to

957
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 5: be you know, kind of not separate, but you know,

958
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 5: kind of take care of what we had to do

959
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 5: at that time. And and then you know, but we

960
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 5: But the thing, I think we made an agreement when

961
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 5: we were like sixteen, like when we started the band,

962
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 5: because this is how sure we were of ourselves.

963
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: We were like, you guys, totally manifested. This this is

964
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: but so crazy is you're full like total man. You're

965
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: also pisces, which means you are manifestors. But but yeah, anyway,

966
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: I just had to say that when.

967
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 5: We were sixteen, we made a deal that we would

968
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 5: always split every dollar.

969
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 4: Whatever we ever made, no matter who did what.

970
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: And never made that deal with my brother.

971
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: I tried, I tried, I would never make that deal

972
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: with us, And certainly.

973
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 5: Like that we would just be partners and everything, and

974
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 5: and certainly like we have both done other things that

975
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 5: I don't know that we hold each other to that

976
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 5: deal all the time as we're adults, you know, and

977
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 5: especially when you have your own families and stuff. But

978
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 5: it's definitely a deal that's held. It's the foundation of

979
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 5: of us. Like I think, there's never anything I'm doing

980
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 5: that I don't consider him my partner in whether he's

981
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 5: there in the room or he's worked, you know, and

982
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 5: we're we're out there working and we we we are

983
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 5: in the room with if you're in the room with me,

984
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 5: you're in the room with him.

985
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. What about there?

986
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: What about you go through some of your businesses. We

987
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: have a little like just sort of this pivot from music,

988
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: Not that you pivot from music necessarily, you're still in

989
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: that world, but you know what was the inspiration behind

990
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: sort of moving away from touring and sort of you know,

991
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: getting more into the entrepreneurial spirit of well, let's make

992
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: let's have multiple businesses.

993
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 5: I think that at the very core of it is

994
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 5: just like a more sustainable lifestyle, so to be able

995
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 5: to to you know, touring is very unsustained for family.

996
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 5: So I think that. But then I also think our

997
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 5: interests are are that the things we're working on. We

998
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 5: have a music company, so it's the management and artists

999
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 5: development company that we I'd say that's our core business.

1000
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: We just love it so much. We just love the.

1001
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 5: Working in music and our being around artists is just

1002
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 5: our well, we'll enjoy it forever and ever. We get

1003
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 5: to watch people's dreams come true every year, and it's

1004
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 5: a really exciting the thing to.

1005
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 4: Get part of, yeah, and mentor our younger artists.

1006
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 5: And then we have a media company that you know,

1007
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 5: is in magazines music magazines in the same kind of

1008
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 5: realm of our manager company.

1009
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 4: It's rock and alternative and in the space print.

1010
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 5: And then we have another media focused company that's like

1011
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 5: a livestream platform called Beeps that it's up for concerts

1012
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 5: and live events though comedy and concerts. So those three

1013
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 5: businesses are are really what we work on every day.

1014
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 5: And Good Charlotte is kind of like a I feel

1015
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 5: like today. It's this classic car we keep in perfect

1016
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 5: condition in the garage and we like to take it

1017
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 5: out sometimes and definitely drive it, and people like to

1018
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 5: see it, but we're not We're never going to it's

1019
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 5: never going to be a daily driver. I think anything

1020
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 5: we do with Good Charlotte is always going to feel

1021
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 5: special and exciting.

1022
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: And we really love still doing stuff with the band.

1023
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: Right not writing new stuff that's not like a where

1024
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: are you?

1025
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 5: We actually are going to make some music in this

1026
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 5: coming year in twenty.

1027
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, my album's almost Dangel.

1028
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: Your album. I can't wait to hear it.

1029
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: I'm so I'm so excited for you to hear it,

1030
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: because you've always been so supportive of me singing.

1031
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 4: Well, you're fantastic.

1032
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to go down this rabbit hole. But

1033
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: but like no, no, no, you're I'm moving out of

1034
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: your rabbit hole. But just with this whole because you

1035
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: do live streams, you know, comedy, you know, and have

1036
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: you been doing that for a minute now, sort of

1037
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: almost at the forefront of it when I was reading

1038
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: about it, you know, as far as when you started

1039
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: that goes you look at this eras toward this Taylor

1040
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: Swift shit that has come out and has completely destroyed

1041
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: the box office, and now Beyonce is doing one. It

1042
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: feels like there's going to be some sort of a

1043
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: trend now when it comes to this stuff. I have

1044
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: like producer friends who have bought old catalogs, you know

1045
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: for film. Is this what's your feeling on that? Is

1046
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: there inspiration behind it? Or do you think this is

1047
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: like a degradation of sort of the concert as we

1048
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: know it?

1049
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 4: No, So it's two different things.

1050
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 5: So a live show, there will never be anything that

1051
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 5: replaces a live show. The magic of live music is

1052
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 5: one thing. But what you don't realize when you're at

1053
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 5: a concert. Is that actually more people don't go to

1054
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 5: concerts than do, so more people in the world don't

1055
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 5: have access to concerts period. And that's if every ticket

1056
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 5: sold out everywhere, there would still be more people who

1057
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 5: couldn't be at that concert and can't be at any

1058
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 5: concert period.

1059
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 4: And that's just a fact. So it's a luxury to

1060
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 4: be able to go to a live show, for sure,

1061
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 4: and nothing can replace that. It's the thing you dream about.

1062
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 5: You want to see that person live, you want to

1063
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 5: see that band, you want to see that artist live.

1064
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 5: It's sort of like one day I want to go

1065
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 5: to Disney World, you know what I mean, Like not

1066
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 5: everybody gets to go to Disney World, you know, yeah,

1067
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 5: but access to the live event and concerts and comedy

1068
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 5: and other live events is actually something that people it

1069
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 5: must have. So the same way we can now watch sports,

1070
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: if you remember, in the nineties and the two thousands,

1071
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 5: you watch whatever sport games on network television and cable,

1072
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 5: but there wasn't an all access option for the people

1073
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 5: who wanted to have it. And now, you know, with

1074
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 5: music and live events, we're always kind of behind because

1075
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 5: old models are kind of held on too tightly in.

1076
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 4: Music and entertainment, especially in music. So we're what we built.

1077
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 5: We started six years ago with this platform is now

1078
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 5: turning into an entertainment platform. We're going into original content

1079
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 5: and we do more live concerts than anyone in the world.

1080
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 5: We've done more than anyone in the world. We are

1081
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 5: absolutely this platform is the experts on live streaming concerts

1082
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 5: and live and we see the future is people all

1083
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 5: over the world, and whether it's India or South America,

1084
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 5: or Europe or America. People who can't leave the house,

1085
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 5: people who physically can't go to concerts, and people who

1086
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 5: lookationally can't, and people who financially can't have access now

1087
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 5: the same as they do to their sporting events. More

1088
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 5: and more access to concerts and artists now and this

1089
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 5: has changed in the last two years. Artists now feel

1090
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 5: the need to stream at least one show from their

1091
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 5: tour so that people can participate in that tour.

1092
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 4: And so it's the future. It's just it's coming, whether

1093
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 4: you like it or not.

1094
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now they can monetize their entire tour by

1095
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: potentially you know, you can pay a ticket to go

1096
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: watch it as well. Now with the live streaming. Now

1097
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: we don't have to put this in going now in

1098
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: my head. That's just I'm curious. Is there is there

1099
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: real time directing as far as production value goes and

1100
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: that stuff, or is it like static camera shots or

1101
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: is it like I do have engineers pushing buttons.

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Speaker 4: So it's real time directing. We also have AI.

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00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 5: Programs that can direct. They're both actually good.

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00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 4: We have. It depends on where you stream, how you stream.

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 5: There's a lot of options for how you execute it.

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Speaker 3: So fun. All right, let's do the rabid Fire because

1107
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: we're I don't want to waste anybody's time, and let's okay.

1108
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: Song of your childhood, define your childhood like that time?

1109
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: Like what is like?

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00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 4: Remember that Keith Green song? Yes?

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00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 3: What was that my early childhood?

1112
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 5: There were a couple of songs. One was I Just

1113
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 5: Called to Say I Love you Stevie Wonder.

1114
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 4: Oh yes, Keith Green. It was called who Put This

1115
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: Love in My Heart? It was like a Christian artist.

1116
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 5: I think my parents used to listen to him.

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00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 4: You are richie and lean on me.

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00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: Lean on me.

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00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: Of course, because of lean on Me, I always think

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Speaker 2: of very.

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00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: Sad and remember the movie.

1122
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 4: Also remember House of the Rising Sun Animals? Yeah, nice

1123
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 4: to play that all the time.

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00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 5: That was like zero to like nine ten and then

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Speaker 5: or older, you know, would be more like the Beastie Boys.

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00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 5: Check so what you want?

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: Oh for me, it was can I Kick It? Tribe

1129
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: to me is like my high school. Like I just

1130
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 3: remember that song when that song came out. When you

1131
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: hear that sample, that the lou Reed sample, I just

1132
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 3: forget it. Yeah, over for me?

1133
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: Okay, who who would win in an if you guys

1134
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: were putting in an octagon and you had to fight,

1135
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: who who's winning that fight?

1136
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 7: Uh?

1137
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 4: Physically?

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00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 5: You mean?

1139
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Physically you gotta yeah.

1140
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 4: H First, Ben is very very physical, great fighter.

1141
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: Who's the better cook?

1142
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: Probably me? Really, I think.

1143
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: So we can put this to the test. Okay, if

1144
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: you were going to rob a bank, who would go

1145
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: in and rob the bank? And who would be driving

1146
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: the getaway car?

1147
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 4: I drive the getaway car. Bene would rob the bank?

1148
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 4: Benj Yeah.

1149
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 5: Okay, he's definitely a trigger man. He's not afraid to

1150
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 5: go a charge. I'm I'm thinking too much. Yeah. They

1151
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 5: call him under pressure more than you. And but you

1152
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 5: have a big picture vision.

1153
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I have a good one, and this includes

1154
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 3: both of you. Guys, you get arrested, you're in jail,

1155
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: you have one phone call. Who in your immediate family

1156
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: is the first person you're going to call individually or

1157
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 3: together together? You only have one phone call?

1158
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 4: Is it okay?

1159
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: So in the in our family, I feel like I

1160
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: know who it is. Yeah, and you're it can be

1161
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: It could be anything right now, anyone in your life,

1162
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: in your life.

1163
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Cameron.

1164
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say one thousand percent.

1165
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 4: If she doesn't pick up, it's John Rosenberg.

1166
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 3: Who's John Rosenberg.

1167
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 5: Is a dear friend. He's a lawyer, but he's also

1168
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 5: like a very dear friend of her.

1169
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Speaker 1: Does Nicole rank in the phone?

1170
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Speaker 4: Cole?

1171
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 5: Nicole is like, she's a good call, but fifty fifty

1172
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 5: it's fifteen to fifty.

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01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 4: She has her phone in What.

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01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 3: That's your answer? Yeah?

1175
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 4: Likely, She goes, Oh my god, that sounds fun.

1176
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that would be so Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Listen, the truth about Nicole is she's down. If I

1178
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 5: called her, Look, if she was the second call, I

1179
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 5: just know Cameron is gonna charge in there and get

1180
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 5: us right out, even if she has to break us out.

1181
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1182
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 5: If I call Nicole and say, listen, it's serious, I

1183
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 5: need you to do this.

1184
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 4: She's doing it. She's so down.

1185
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 3: That's because Cameron can. Cameron can rob the bank and

1186
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: drive the getaway car at the same time.

1187
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 4: She has literally been trained to do it.

1188
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: Okay, First celebrity crush, Mariah Carey.

1189
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

1190
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 3: Oh good woe.

1191
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember.

1192
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, Ollie, what yours was Nicole? Nicole Eggert?

1193
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, from Charles in Charge back in the day. She

1194
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: was on Baywatch like a long time after that.

1195
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 3: Mine was Corey Haim from The Lost Boys, but also

1196
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: Key for some other one from the Lost Boy. Actually,

1197
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 3: all of the Lost Boys, they were all my crush.

1198
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: No, Benji can't think of one.

1199
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 4: Bench wasn't a big crush. You were like a big

1200
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 4: crush guy. I was a little dreamier than you, was I.

1201
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm trying to think. I'm sure that I

1202
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 5: had one. I was trying to you know who. I

1203
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 5: always thought like.

1204
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 4: The mom on Fresh Prince of bel Air was really pretty.

1205
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 3: She was. Okay, guys ready because we always end our

1206
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 3: podcast with this, which is a two part question. First

1207
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: part is if you could alleviate something from your brother's life,

1208
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: if you could take something from them that you know

1209
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 3: would kind of like give them more ease or or

1210
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 3: be you know, have a more optimal experience through life.

1211
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Speaker 3: What would that be? And then the second part of

1212
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 3: that question is if you could emulate something that your

1213
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: brother has, that that you would love to be able

1214
01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: to have a little bit more of in your life,

1215
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 3: what would that be?

1216
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 5: Mmm, that's a good question here you go that and

1217
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 5: I and I don't ever waste an answer. So if

1218
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 5: I could alleviate anything from his life, you know what,

1219
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 5: if I'm being honest, I've always felt like he's felt

1220
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 5: responsible for me, and I've always kind of felt.

1221
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 4: Always kind of felt like that whether I tried to or.

1222
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 5: Not, and I would I would probably say less responsibility

1223
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 5: for everyone because not just me, everyone, He's always kind

1224
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 5: of been been that guy.

1225
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 4: Uh, and then he naturally just feels responfortable for everyone.

1226
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 4: And what was the other question?

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01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 3: Something that you could emulate that's something that you would

1228
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 3: want from him, someone that you something that you love

1229
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: about him that is like you wish you had more of.

1230
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 5: H He has a great ability to He's always very cool, calm, collected,

1231
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 5: can get to things kind of elegantly quickly, and it

1232
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 5: feels very.

1233
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 4: His brain is organized.

1234
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 5: It just feels like very He's quick to get through

1235
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 5: a process and get to a direction and then go

1236
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 5: without overthinking it. And I think there's something really elegant

1237
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 5: and simple about the way he operates that I've always

1238
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 5: kind of been jealous of. I think that I just

1239
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 5: have a real true add and I'm always thinking probably

1240
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 5: about a thousand things, and it's hard for me to

1241
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 5: organize my brain sometimes the way it feels like he

1242
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 5: can just pick a plan and attack it with everything,

1243
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 5: whether it's working out or a business or anything.

1244
01:04:54,480 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 4: So there's a simplicity to it go on. That's very sweet, Joel.

1245
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

1246
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 5: So I would say the thing if I could take

1247
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 5: away from joelsa he you know, like improve his quality

1248
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 5: of life. Probably he's always worried about if every like

1249
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 5: he's always worried if he's like he wants to be

1250
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 5: the best dad, and he's an amazing dad.

1251
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 4: He wants to be the best husband.

1252
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 5: He's an amazing husband, like a plus a plus, and

1253
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 5: so everything he does is he's worrying like if he's

1254
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 5: doing a good enough job, and he's always doing more

1255
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 5: than a good enough job, you know. So, and I'm

1256
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 5: always like, dude, you're doing great, like and he'll he

1257
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 5: So he doesn't always take it in though. He's like

1258
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 5: he wants to do he wants to do better, you know,

1259
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 5: he wants to make he wants everyone to be happy.

1260
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 4: He's always worried about if everybody's happy, and.

1261
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 5: Probably comes from like our childhood because you like want

1262
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 5: our parents to be happy, and it's like that was

1263
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 5: a losing battle.

1264
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 4: It's not going to happen, you know. So, so he's

1265
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 4: always wants everyone to be happy.

1266
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 5: So and I'm always like, dude, everybody look at look

1267
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 5: at us, man, we we everybody's happy, like you know,

1268
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 5: it's not our houses are peaceful, everybody's you know. And

1269
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 5: So if if you could, if I could just take

1270
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 5: that away, and he wouldn't worry about that, and he'd

1271
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 5: be a little bit more carefree, and and then and

1272
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 5: what he what I could, what I wished I had

1273
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 5: that he has in in in the most insane ability

1274
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 5: of anyone I've ever met, just to like look up

1275
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 5: and go oh yeah, uh we're gonna do that, or

1276
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 5: I'm going to do that, or I want like to

1277
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 5: dream up like the biggest thing and not even question it,

1278
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 5: not even think twice about it. I'm immediately figuring out

1279
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 5: like how the architecture is going to work, and and

1280
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 5: and I can sometimes only get to like a couple

1281
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 5: of levels up and Joel's already seeing like the skyline,

1282
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 5: you know, and and and so that's something I definitely

1283
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 5: have learned from. But he does it with such ease.

1284
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 5: He's like, oh, yeah, we can do that. We'll do that,

1285
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 5: you know. And and that's that's like it's almost like

1286
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 5: a superpower in my mind. It's it's like just to

1287
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 5: be able to just like dream something without even questioning it.

1288
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: That's awesome, the best.

1289
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 3: Yay, great guys, Thank you so much for joining us.

1290
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: You appreciate it.

1291
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:22,479
Speaker 4: That was so fun.

1292
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 5: It was so great, guys, Thanks for having us.

1293
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: It's really good. Guys. Your story is so cool. I

1294
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: didn't know it, I know.

1295
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 3: And we're we we really cool stuff seriously, and we also,

1296
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 3: like we usually do like we've had like sessions now

1297
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: we've had like three hours with certain people. Were trying

1298
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 3: to like really cut them down to an hour. And

1299
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: it's hard because I have a million questions here, guys.

1300
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: I have so many things that I'm going to ask

1301
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 3: you offline, but this was just the best. Yeah.

1302
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 4: Well, you guys, we.

1303
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 5: Have so many mutual friends and we see each other all,

1304
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 5: you know, from time to time. I'm and I now

1305
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 5: feel closer to you guys just from me.

1306
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I've known you guys and peripheral for

1307
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: a time, you know. And it's funny how you said

1308
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: I want to see in the very beginning, you know,

1309
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: how you guys cover for each other when someone may

1310
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: not know who's who.

1311
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 4: It has literally made me avoid.

1312
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: Both of you. I'm like, oh shit, God, I'm just

1313
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna walk away because I don't want to be the

1314
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: asshole who doesn't know.

1315
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 3: You can see, it's so easy to tell them about

1316
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 3: now you can.

1317
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 5: Tell Yeah, And it's really not offensive to us when

1318
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 5: people do think we're each other. But I think, I

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01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 5: think it's really great to have these conversations because I

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01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 5: think people listening a lot of times, families can be

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01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 5: very passive, aggressive to each other. They don't know how

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01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 5: to share and care. And I think we had to

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 5: learn that over time. But it took us, you know,

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01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 5: our own time. But like diibblings should communicate because when

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01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 5: they don't they're missing out on a really great and

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01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 5: valuable resource in their life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Uh, to depend on anything you want to do in life,

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Speaker 4: you're better shot.

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Speaker 5: You have a better shot at doing it with you

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01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 5: with a partner that you that you you can trust,

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 5: that you know, and like you have to set your

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01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 5: sights on something. So like if you want to have

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01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 5: a good relationship with your sibling, just like I think

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Speaker 5: our biggest dream in the world was to have loving,

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01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 5: peaceful family. So we both wanted to be married. We

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01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 5: both want to have kids, and like we we had

1338
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 5: to figure out how to like how that worked, and

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01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 5: so we looked for good models, and we look for

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01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 5: families that like seem to have more you know, like

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01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 5: they have a shot at sticking together.

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Speaker 4: Those people seem like they got something figured out.

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01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 5: And and like if you don't, if you have a sibling,

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01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 5: you actually have to say, I want to be close

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01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 5: to you, like I want to figure out where's that

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 5: spot where we get stuck, where's the spot where we argue,

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 5: where's the spot where we fight? And and I think

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01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 5: it's a practice. You know, you really got to like,

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01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 5: you know, this podcast is great, Like.

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01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: Well that's we started. It was like it's such an

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: important relationship that is never really discussed or talked about,

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01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: but it's it's just such an important one, you know,

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: and there's too many siblings who just do not talk

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01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: to each other, who are completely you know, sort of

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: living totally separate lives and have no regard for each other.

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01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 4: True.

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Speaker 2: It kills me, it really, it's so sad.

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01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: And I also feel like you, you know, there's a

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 3: way to get to know someone, you know, a one

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01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 3: on one, but when you get to know someone through

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 3: their siblings' eyes, you get a completely different perspective of

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01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: that person. You know, when you sit and you listen

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01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 3: to siblings talk about each other and laugh about stories,

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01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 3: and like you just there's nothing there's nothing more sort

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01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 3: of eye opening about who that they are as people.

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 3: You know, you see them who they are.

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01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tribe within a tribe in a sense,

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01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, because you have your tribe, your big family tribe,

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: and then the siblings of their own little you know,

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01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: sort of offshoot, you know, like me, you Boston and

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01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: Wide are sort of sitting around drinking and laughing. It's

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: if you feel this synergy disconnectedness that is not separate

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01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: but just a little sort of just a little arm,

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01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: a little branch from that.

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01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 5: True, especially siblings that come from broken homes when the

1376
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 5: damage is done when you're young. I feel like, not

1377
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 5: enough of us. It took us too long, even us.

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01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 5: I think you've got to salvage what you can. You

1379
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 5: do build your new family, and you can choose your family.

1380
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 5: You can choose friends that you get close to, but

1381
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 5: you can salvage some things from your family and keep

1382
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 5: and reimagine what that family doesn't always have to be

1383
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 5: broken or feel sad.

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01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 1: What's of that right now? Literally that I'm working with

1385
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 1: my dad and he's with the other other siblings now

1386
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: to bring it all together.

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Speaker 3: I had this moment last year where I was like,

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01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 3: I don't know why I don't talk to my other siblings,

1389
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 3: Like I don't care what the history is with my

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01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 3: with our parents, but like that's my and especially me,

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01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 3: who has no sisters, right I don't and I do.

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01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 3: I have two sisters that I don't speak to for

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01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 3: no other reason except that our family separated. And my

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01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 3: sister and I and my brother we've all just started

1395
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 3: communicating again. And honestly, I got on the phone with

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: my sister and we just started bawling our eyes out.

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01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 3: We're like, what else. It was so great, It was

1398
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 3: so great, and so you know, and then she even

1399
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: said it. She's like, it's we start now, just start now. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well cool, thank you guys that I'll see you so