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Speaker 1: This is Jessica and Khalia. In our podcast, we explore

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Speaker 1: Chakaina Church, a high controlled group that was featured in

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Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary Dancing for the Devil the Seven m

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Speaker 2: We've had dozens of guests so far who are featured

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Speaker 2: in the documentary, family members who are impacted, and other

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Speaker 2: individuals who have recently decided to come forward and tell

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Speaker 2: their stories of resilience and healing. These conversations have been

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Speaker 2: very revealing, riveting, and very personal. So take a listen

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Speaker 2: and binge our season. So far, we've been building this

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Speaker 2: platform for you, guys, so please take a listen.

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Speaker 3: This is Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, welcome back to Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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Speaker 2: This is Bob and Fro also also known as Jessica

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Speaker 2: and Khalia.

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone.

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Speaker 1: In this bonus episode of Forgive Me For I Have Followed,

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Speaker 1: we want to update you all on a couple of

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Speaker 1: things and do a little check in so as reminder,

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Speaker 1: we are in the midst of exploring other high controlled

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Speaker 1: groups in the next few episodes, but our door is

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Speaker 1: open for all who are wanting to bring their story forward.

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Speaker 2: We're going to update you guys on all the Chakinda

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Speaker 2: happenings as they happen. And this is just a reminder

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Speaker 2: to go and check out Alicia Lee's social media on

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Speaker 2: her Instagram, she is doing a countdown to the trial

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Speaker 2: and she's posting all of the sermons and it's been

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Speaker 2: really interesting hearing them back in like the impact that

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Speaker 2: it's made, not in a positive way to the dance

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Speaker 2: community as a whole.

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Speaker 2: Issue on We had previously done an episode on Tight

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Speaker 2: Eyes and Beast formerly known as Baby tight Eyes. It

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Speaker 2: had come out in one of the servants that Robert

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Speaker 2: a negative light. So I know that had sent shockwaves

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Speaker 1: I had actually seen that and completely taken aback by it.

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Speaker 1: Like to sit there and say that the death of someone,

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Speaker 1: is just point blank awful. And I was happy to

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Speaker 1: that that's not the case, that's not true, and that

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Speaker 1: his brother had been sick, and obviously I encourage people

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Speaker 1: to go in and check that story out if it's

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Speaker 1: still posted for themselves, because again, these are always a

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Speaker 1: our story to tell? What is our story to relay?

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Speaker 1: But it was pretty upsetting, and since our last episode

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Speaker 1: with some of those sermons, there's been a lot more

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Speaker 1: that has come out, Robert talking about taking credit for

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Speaker 1: Slavic's success, which again is just a big question mark

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Speaker 1: on where Slavic. What's going on with Slovic because he

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Speaker 1: credit for some of that success, but also how his

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Speaker 1: that this is not easy when you're doing projects like this,

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Speaker 1: it's important that you check in with yourself and so Khalia.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of the season so far, we've gotten

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Speaker 2: Kevin being a part of very iconic moments I feel

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I love to hear it because obviously I

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've been doing this for quite some time now,

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Speaker 2: I will say with Kevin, he's always angry for the

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Speaker 2: And you know, I just really appreciate the things that

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, Kalia, thank you so much for sharing this

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Speaker 1: that being said, that's all for now. But we encourage

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Speaker 1: and if you are interested and telling your story on

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Speaker 2: and me Jess Cosovetto. Forgive Me For I Have Followed

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