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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From House Stuffworks dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline. And we don't talk about

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Speaker 1: hit TV shows that often on podcast. I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about New Girl, mad Men, we mentioned my strange addiction,

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Speaker 1: Nikita La fem Nikita, don't even get me started again

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Speaker 1: your favorite? Um, but it doesn't come up. I feel

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Speaker 1: like TV doesn't come up all that often, especially not

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Speaker 1: specific reality television shows like My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding, right,

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Speaker 1: which has caused quite a stir, especially since it's come

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Speaker 1: to America. And so now it's My Big Fat American

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Speaker 1: Gypsy Wedding or Gypsy American Wedding. I'm not sure it's

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Speaker 1: one of the two. But that debut late April of

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Speaker 1: of discussion to happen because, um, some people are saying

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Speaker 1: that it portrays the roma or traveler community in an

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Speaker 1: unfavorable light. Other people are saying that it's pure entertainment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the show airs on the TLC Network, which we

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Speaker 1: should say is part of our corporate family. Um, but

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Speaker 1: we're really not wanting to talk so much about My

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Speaker 1: Big Fat Gypsy Wedding and what you might see on

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Speaker 1: the shows, but more to provide a factual background for

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Speaker 1: what is on there because you see the advertisements. You see, uh,

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Speaker 1: these typically preteen and early teen girls dressed up and

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Speaker 1: narrative arc of My Big fet Gypsy Wedding is that

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Speaker 1: each episode usually follows a group of travelers who are

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Speaker 1: preparing for some kind of celebration, whether it be a

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Speaker 1: and it was all about um, one girl who was

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Speaker 1: going to prom and her address was enormous huge. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We'll see if they'd have it of those limits that

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Speaker 1: has the pool in the back, they could have destrained

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Speaker 1: the pool and put her on that. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's random solver. But okay, so we

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Speaker 1: should probably go ahead and talk about, um what these people,

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Speaker 1: these different groups of people are called. Because we've used

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Speaker 1: the word gypsy, and that is offensive too many. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's also being reappropriated by some groups as a general

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Speaker 1: term for their culture, but the actual word itself is

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Speaker 1: a misnomer throughout their history of existence. Basically, Yeah, figuring

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Speaker 1: it's tricky to do because for a long time, no

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Speaker 1: was this assumption that because there was a large group

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Speaker 1: of them as the centuries ago, a large group of

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Speaker 1: them in Greece, they were assumed to have come from Egypt.

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Speaker 1: They had darker complexions than another Greeks, right, and one

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Speaker 1: book even positive that maybe some of them did tell

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Speaker 1: But this group's ancestors really have nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: or English origins. UM and travelers referred to non travelers

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Speaker 1: like you and I Caroline as settled people. Pretty sound

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