WEBVTT - Darya Saltykova, Serial Killer

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<v Speaker 1>from Aaron Minky Listener. Discretion is advised. In a town

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<v Speaker 1>square in the center of Moscow in seventy a woman

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<v Speaker 1>is chained to a small wooden platform. The woman's hair

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<v Speaker 1>hangs lank around her face. Her eyes are fixed to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. She's ignoring the crowd gathering around her. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the crowd is there just out of mere curiosity,

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<v Speaker 1>people who had heard rumors of this woman and who

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to see her face. Others in the crowd are

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<v Speaker 1>there to jeer and spit. Some are just there for

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<v Speaker 1>the spectacle of it all, the strangeness of a noble

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<v Speaker 1>woman reduced to this. The chained woman's name is Darius Saltikova.

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<v Speaker 1>Around her neck, she has a painted sign that reads

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<v Speaker 1>this woman has tortured and murdered. Being chained in the

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<v Speaker 1>town square was part of her sentence. She had to

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<v Speaker 1>remain out there in full public view, humiliated and scorned

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<v Speaker 1>for one hour. Her crime the murder of thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>young women, though some believe that Darius Saltikova might have

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<v Speaker 1>murdered as many as one hundred more. In the annals

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<v Speaker 1>of popular history, female killers tend to be of particular fascination.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something about murderous is from Madame Lallery in New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans to Lizzie Borden in Massachusetts, that people find strange

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<v Speaker 1>and scintillating. The extent of Darius Saltikova's crimes are extreme,

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<v Speaker 1>but I find that they're worth talking about, not just

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<v Speaker 1>out of prurient, morbid true crime fascination, but because of

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<v Speaker 1>the political context that enabled her dozens of murders, and

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<v Speaker 1>because of the political context in which she would finally

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<v Speaker 1>face consequences. I'm Danis Schwartz, and this is Noble Blood.

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<v Speaker 1>In the previous episode of Noble Blood, I discussed Countess

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Bathi, the Hungarian noblewoman who's become perhaps the most

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<v Speaker 1>famous female serial killer of all time. Her popularity is

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<v Speaker 1>in part because people love referencing the completely fabricated anecdote

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<v Speaker 1>about Bathory murdering servant girls so that she could bathe

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<v Speaker 1>in their blood. Elizabeth Bathory is certainly one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most famous historical figures in terms of appearances in trivia

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<v Speaker 1>books and in the true crime corners of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>but as I covered in my last episode, some recent

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<v Speaker 1>scholars have raised doubts as to whether Countess Bathory was

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of murder at all. To briefly refresh your memory,

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<v Speaker 1>Bathory was an incredibly wealthy landowning widow from the eastern

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Kingdom of Hungary, the Principality of Transylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>Her family was growing in power, and they were extremely

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<v Speaker 1>threatening to the Habsburg powers that be, which made Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>Bathory a prime target for a polit critically motivated framing.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent scholars also point to some of Elizabeth Bathori's Transylvanian

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<v Speaker 1>medical procedures, things like ice baths and cauterizing infections, which

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<v Speaker 1>could have been misinterpreted in more western Hungry as violent torture.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also worth remembering that Elizabeth Bathory was never publicly

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<v Speaker 1>charged or tried or convicted. The confessions that led to

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<v Speaker 1>her lifetime imprisonment were given under torture, and Elizabeth Bathori

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<v Speaker 1>was never allowed to speak on her own behalf. The

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<v Speaker 1>scholarship as to whether Elizabeth Bathory was framed or not

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<v Speaker 1>is still relatively recent and limited to academia, and plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of other historians still believed that she was guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>torture and murder to some degree, although probably not to

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<v Speaker 1>the degree of the hundreds of victims that some people

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<v Speaker 1>ascribed to her, and definitely not guilty of the blood

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<v Speaker 1>bathing thing. But suilty or innocent, The story of Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>Bathories is one of political power and privilege. If she

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<v Speaker 1>was framed, it was only because of her politically important family.

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<v Speaker 1>If Bathory actually was a murderer, her merely being placed

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<v Speaker 1>under house arrest was thanks to her noble blood and

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<v Speaker 1>her family's influence. Centuries ago, the justice system worked differently

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<v Speaker 1>for those with money and connections, very much in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that unfortunately it too often does today and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes today, as centuries ago, a conviction can be meant

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<v Speaker 1>as a political statement, meant to hold one man or

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<v Speaker 1>woman accountable for something. As an example, and so if

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<v Speaker 1>I ruined your favorite countess serial killer in my last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>consider this my consolation, yet another countess with yet another

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<v Speaker 1>slate of horrific murders, but of which this time she

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<v Speaker 1>is almost undeniably guilty. But the most interesting part of

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Daria sulta Kova, at least to me,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't her actual crime so much as her position in

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<v Speaker 1>Russian society and the balancing act that the reigning monarch

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<v Speaker 1>Katherine the Great was forced to do in order to

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<v Speaker 1>hold her nobles accountable for their actions while still keeping

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<v Speaker 1>them on her side. Daria Nikolayevna Ivanovna was born on

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<v Speaker 1>March eleven, thirty, just a few months after the future

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<v Speaker 1>Katherine the Great was born. Unlike Katherine, Daria was born

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<v Speaker 1>to a prominent family of Russian nobles, with princes on

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<v Speaker 1>both her mother's and her father's side of the family tree. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>that prominent lineage led Darya to make her own aristocratic

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<v Speaker 1>marriage to a man named Gleb Xyevitch Saltikov. The Saltikovs

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<v Speaker 1>make frequent appearances on the pages of Russian history. One Saltikov,

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<v Speaker 1>distantly distantly related to Gleb would be one of Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>the Great's first extramarital lovers, another Saltikov. Gleb's nephew, actually

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<v Speaker 1>would go on to be the tutor of Catherine the

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<v Speaker 1>Great son. Gleb himself was a captain in the Imperial Guard,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was thought that he would make a fine

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<v Speaker 1>match for the pretty young Daria, who as a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman was known for being pious and well behaved. But

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<v Speaker 1>Gleb died young. Though the couple had two children, Daria

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<v Speaker 1>would be a widow at age twenty five, living as

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<v Speaker 1>a single woman on a vast inherited estate south of Moscow,

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<v Speaker 1>with around six hundred serfs to work the land. One

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<v Speaker 1>of Daria's sons died when he was eleven, the other

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<v Speaker 1>would only survive until his early twenties. So even by

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<v Speaker 1>Shian standards, the salt Takova state was a sad and

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<v Speaker 1>gloomy place, strange and lonely, and there were stories that

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded the estate like mist. They said that the sound

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<v Speaker 1>of a cracking whip could be heard for miles away,

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<v Speaker 1>that the corpse of a woman was once wheeled away

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the night, hidden by darkness. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the rumor, the body was unmistakably that of a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of her hair had been scorched, singed off,

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<v Speaker 1>and her skin was flayed from the chest. No One

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteenth century Russia expected that surfs were going to

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<v Speaker 1>have particularly long, fulfilling lives, but it seemed that the

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<v Speaker 1>surfs at the Saltakova state were particularly brittle and frightened.

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<v Speaker 1>Young girls would go to work for Darias salt Ko

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<v Speaker 1>now and none of them would ever be seen again.

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<v Speaker 1>According to allegations, saltic Cova's bitterness and loneliness curdled in

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<v Speaker 1>her heart into a twisted cruelty. If one of her

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<v Speaker 1>servants spilled tea or forgot one of their chores, salta

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<v Speaker 1>Cova would beat them with logs or shove them down

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<v Speaker 1>the stairs. She would set their flesh on fire, or

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<v Speaker 1>pour burning water from teapots onto their bare limbs. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>she would tie a surf up and leave them naked

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<v Speaker 1>in the Russian cold to freeze to death. She used

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<v Speaker 1>hot irons, she flayed flesh and burned hair off. She

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly once crushed a pregnant woman's belly beneath her boot.

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<v Speaker 1>Those saltic Coba would later say that any cruelty she

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<v Speaker 1>exhibited towards her serfs was just because they were ineffective

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<v Speaker 1>at doing their jobs. It's impossible not to see a

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<v Speaker 1>more personal aspect to her brutality. Most of her victims

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<v Speaker 1>were young women. They were pretty girls who reminded the

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<v Speaker 1>aging Saltikova that she was no longer the youthful girl

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<v Speaker 1>of promise that she once was. After her husband's death,

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<v Speaker 1>Saltikova did have a lover, a man named Nikolay Kyotchev,

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<v Speaker 1>but Nikolay left Darya in order to marry another woman.

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<v Speaker 1>As cruel punishment, Daria sent two of her serfs to

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<v Speaker 1>set fire to the newlywed's home. Rather than obey, the

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<v Speaker 1>serfs warned Nikolay and his bride, and neither was harmed,

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<v Speaker 1>although I do have to wonder what fate might have

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<v Speaker 1>befallen the SERPs when they returned to the Saltikova state

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<v Speaker 1>with their mission incomplete. Unfortunately, most of the scholarship around

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<v Speaker 1>Darius Saltikova's life and her murders is written in Russian

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<v Speaker 1>and remains untranslated, and though I was able to learn

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<v Speaker 1>a lot through the miracle of online translation, I still

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<v Speaker 1>found it challenging to parse out what was rumor and

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<v Speaker 1>what was actually confirmed when it came to the extent

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<v Speaker 1>of salt Dakova's sheer sadism. But how was a woman

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<v Speaker 1>able to go decades brutalizing dozens, possibly hundreds of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Serfs in Russia existed somewhere between slavery and freedom. In effect,

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<v Speaker 1>their labor, but not their personhood itself, belonged to their

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<v Speaker 1>master or mistress. The original purpose of the serf class

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<v Speaker 1>was to tie laborers to the land so that they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't migrate. There were vast swatches of Russian land that

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be farmed, but which no one would want

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<v Speaker 1>to farm voluntarily, so the surf class was born. Although

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<v Speaker 1>the position of serfs continued to evolve well into the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth century, and this is just a very cursory overview

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<v Speaker 1>of a very complicated socio political issue. Serfs had little

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<v Speaker 1>recourse against physical or emotional abuse. They couldn't quit their jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could be gifted or inherited to other estates.

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<v Speaker 1>But serfs weren't allowed to be outright killed, and though

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<v Speaker 1>they could be tortured in the name of discipline, they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't supposed to be tortured just out of sadistic pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Catherine the Great, a student and admirer of

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<v Speaker 1>the liberal politics of the Enlightenment sweeping Western Europe, who

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to advocate for more rights for the serfs in

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<v Speaker 1>order to, in her mind, poll Russia towards modernity. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only was want and cruelty forbidden under Catherine the Great,

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<v Speaker 1>but serfs also had a right to lodge complaints against

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<v Speaker 1>their masters. It should be noted, though, that most of

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<v Speaker 1>these complaints would be going to police forces who were

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<v Speaker 1>almost uniformly corrupt, police forces who worked primarily to protect

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy people like Daria Saltco buh So, just because surfs

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<v Speaker 1>were allowed to complain didn't mean necessarily that people would listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Russia was a very very large country, after all, with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of serfs, and though the Empress Catherine the

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<v Speaker 1>Great purported to be liberal, there was still a deeply

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<v Speaker 1>entrenched power structure in place in Russia built to protect

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<v Speaker 1>the nobles. Even so, twenty one serfs conquered their fear

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<v Speaker 1>of what Darius Sultakova might do if she found out,

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<v Speaker 1>and they filed complaints against their mistress. But it would

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<v Speaker 1>be the twenty second complaint that would finally lead to

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<v Speaker 1>Saltikova's downfall. In the summer of seventeen sixty two, a

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<v Speaker 1>man who worked in the stables at the Sultakova state,

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<v Speaker 1>named her Malay Alien, fled the estate and made it

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to St. Petersburg, where he petitioned Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>the Great personally nil Ling on the throne room floor,

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<v Speaker 1>he informed the Empress that his mistress, Daria Saltikova, had

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<v Speaker 1>murdered three of his wives, one after another, every time

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<v Speaker 1>he got remarried. Darius Saltikova was arrested and held for

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<v Speaker 1>six years, while Catherine the Great authorized a full investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>For her part, Daria remained completely unrepentant. She maintained that

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<v Speaker 1>she did nothing wrong. She was merely disciplining her serfs,

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<v Speaker 1>and she maintained that story with full confidence that she

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<v Speaker 1>would face no consequences for her actions in this world

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<v Speaker 1>or the next. Even when a priest came to get

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<v Speaker 1>her confession, Daria didn't speak. The investigation would ultimately involve

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing hundreds of peasants. At the time, the Russian legal

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<v Speaker 1>system relied on an idea called odo brenno, which basically

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<v Speaker 1>translates to the notion of whether or not behave here

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<v Speaker 1>was considered acceptable by the wider community. The course of

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation against Darius Altakova yielded one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight suspicious deaths, all but three of them women and girls.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, Darius Altakova was found guilty by the

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<v Speaker 1>Collegium of Justice of beating thirty eight female serfs to death.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a case unlike Countess Bathies, where the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>was thorough and the witnesses were interviewed at least to

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<v Speaker 1>the best of my knowledge, without torture. The verdict being

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<v Speaker 1>settled was the easy part of the process, at least

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<v Speaker 1>for the Empress Catherine. Sentencing accountess would be a more

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<v Speaker 1>complicated issue. The Empress wanted to set a larger example

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<v Speaker 1>to the country, to show that she cared about the

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<v Speaker 1>surf class, even though she didn't believe that she had

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<v Speaker 1>the political stability to eliminate serfdom altogether. Catherine also wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to live up to the ideals that she believed in

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<v Speaker 1>of the fair judicial systems of Enlightenment philosophers. She wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make a statement both in Russia and also abroad,

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<v Speaker 1>that her empire had legal systems that were up to

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<v Speaker 1>snuff with what she believed to be the more rigorous

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<v Speaker 1>and egalitarian judiciaries in Western Europe. But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine was well aware that her power in Russia was

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<v Speaker 1>dependent on the support of the noble class. Katherine didn't

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<v Speaker 1>inherit the throne she had claimed it, and the aristocracy

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<v Speaker 1>needed to feel protected to some degree. The death penalty

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<v Speaker 1>had been abolished in Russia in seventeen fifty four, and

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<v Speaker 1>even for a crime as brutal as mass murder, Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>still felt that execution would be too alienating to the nobility.

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<v Speaker 1>But Darius Saltikova was a brutal killer. Her crimes were

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<v Speaker 1>shocking and egregious. Katherine needed to make it clear that

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<v Speaker 1>that behavior wouldn't be tolerated when it came to nobles

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<v Speaker 1>and their serfs, and so Daria Saltikova Murderous, was sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to life in prison at the Ivanovsky Cloister, where she

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<v Speaker 1>would stay in the dungeons below the surface, in a

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<v Speaker 1>windowless wooden room, away from sunlight and fresh air. A

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<v Speaker 1>nun would bring her food and one candle. Saltikova would

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<v Speaker 1>only be permitted to leave her imprisonment once a week

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<v Speaker 1>for church, but before her life sentence, Daria Saltikova was

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<v Speaker 1>sent to a town square in Moscow to remain in

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<v Speaker 1>chains with a sign around her neck for the public

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<v Speaker 1>to see her and to see what she had done.

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<v Speaker 1>Daria remained in the dungeons of the Ivanovsky Cloister for

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<v Speaker 1>eleven years, after which she was transferred to a monastery building.

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<v Speaker 1>The only primary change to her daily life was that

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<v Speaker 1>her room now had a window. Spectators could gawk through

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<v Speaker 1>the shutters, and Daria would spit back in their faces.

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<v Speaker 1>Countess Elizabeth Bathory also lived under house arrest, but she

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<v Speaker 1>only lived in prison for a few years. Darius selta

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<v Speaker 1>Kova lived for more than three decades in confinement until

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<v Speaker 1>her death at age seventy one. If she ever repented

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<v Speaker 1>for her cruelty, it wasn't recorded. I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 1>Darias selta Kova was mentally ill. It's difficult for me

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine the type of person who would be able

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<v Speaker 1>to torture and hurt other human beings the way that

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<v Speaker 1>she did. But I think that it's also worth remembering

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<v Speaker 1>that the system of serfdom was a system of d humanization.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy to be able to dismiss an individual like

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<v Speaker 1>Darius Saltikova as a monster, and much harder to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to reckon with an entire broken system. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the gruesome murders of Darius Saltikova. But keep

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<v Speaker 1>listening a little bit after the sponsor break to hear

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more about the way she exists in our

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<v Speaker 1>modern time. Elizabeth Bathy is far more famous than Darius Sultakova,

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<v Speaker 1>but even when it comes to lesser known killers, salta

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<v Speaker 1>Kova has something of a pr problem. Almost every photo

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<v Speaker 1>of her on the Internet isn't actually her. You can

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<v Speaker 1>google her now darias Seltakova, or you can even use

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<v Speaker 1>her birth name Daria Nikolevna Ivanovna, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most frequent portraits that comes up is a woman with

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<v Speaker 1>powdered hair in a deep blue dress with a square neckline.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman is pretty. She has pearls around her neck,

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<v Speaker 1>at her ears and in her hair. This portrait is

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere on the internet countless website about interesting historical murders.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing is that portrait isn't of Daria Saltikova,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather it is, but not this Daria Saltikova. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a portrait of Daria Petrovna Saltikova, a lady in waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to Catherine the Great, who was born nine years after

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<v Speaker 1>the murderess. Because of their shared names, their portraits have

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<v Speaker 1>become almost interchangeable. That's one of the many problems with

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet, the speed at which misinformation is copied and

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<v Speaker 1>recopied again until it becomes indistinguishable from truth. Take it

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