1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: The following presentation of the Jaguars Podcast Network is presented 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: by by Star Credit Kicker. They don't make football players 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: any tougher than Keenan McCardel. The twelfth round draft pick, 4 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't take no for an answer, despite being cut multiple 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: times before he finally caught on in Cleveland. He wasn't flashy, 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: unless you're talking about his sense of fashion. But when 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: the game was in doubt, there was no one who 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: wanted the ball more and no one you could count 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: on more to make the catch than number eighty seven. 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: There he goes thirty, there's keening in the twenty. He's 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: at the ten five touch down Jackson Bill mcardel for 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: sixty seven and six on the scoreboard. This is perspectives, 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: the story of the first twenty five years of the 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, told by the people who built the franchise 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: from the ground up. This is Keenan McCardell. McCardell has 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: always played the game his way, on his terms. After 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: years of struggle between the Bears and Redskins, he landed 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: in Cleveland and he posted a season worthy handsome free 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: agent contract with the Browns, becoming the Ravens. He knew 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: he was going to have to look elsewhere. It's kind 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: of funny. I kind of told a friend of mine 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: that I'm not going to Jacksonville. Um, not a place 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: for me. They want to be led by by a 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: drill sergeant. And the changed when I took a trip 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: here and and enjoyed it. Michael Hugh coach Coughlin, and 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: I kind of said, it's not gonna be a bad place. Uh, 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: It's a place to to put myself on the map, 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: you know. And then I got here. Uh, Tom asked 29 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: me immediately, you know, I need you to be a leader. Um. 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: I was like you, I'm I'm up for the task. 31 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: And I'm coming from a Cleveland team that was dismantled 32 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: because of the move. Had some really good players, um, 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: Andre Risen, Uh, Michael Jackson. Uh, guys that I've learned from, 34 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: you know, and my past had helped me kinda kind 35 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: of know the kind of resilience this team needed, you know, 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: because of my past, coming up as a twelfth round pick, 37 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: always having to fight for what you wanted, you know, 38 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: I've been cut a couple of times and uh, and 39 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: in Cleveland, finally made my way and I needed to 40 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: show some resilience in my career and coming here, I 41 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: felt like this team needed to have a person that 42 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: that could show resilience and we as a group needed 43 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: to to have that because it was gonna be tough 44 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: for us. We knew it was gonna be really tough 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: for uce. Nobody els afected us to win second year 46 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: UH franchise they can't get it together. Uh. But we 47 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: found a way to get it together because we believed 48 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: in each other in that locker room. UM. I don't 49 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: know if it was the cause of us being against Tom, 50 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: but whatever it was, we found a way to to 51 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: come together, be resilient to practices that we were that 52 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: we didn't like, find a way to make it fun, 53 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: find a way to enjoy each other. And like you know, 54 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: I always did have arrogancy about myself because I always 55 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: felt like I was the best in the league. And 56 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: that's the way I thought, and I wanted guys to 57 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: think that way. And I always say, if you look, 58 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: if you look at some of the videos back then, 59 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: I always say, why not us? You know, because the 60 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: coach I always told me, why not you? It doesn't 61 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: have to be the first round pick. It has to 62 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: be the fifth round pick. Why at you the twelfth 63 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: round pick? And uh, and I always used to say, 64 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: why not us? And the guys kinda said the same 65 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: thing with me, Why not us? I mean, in that year, Uh, 66 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: we kind of came together. It was tough early. It 67 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: was tough earlier we had come to Jesus meeting uh 68 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: in that locker room down in the coach's offices, with 69 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: with time with the leadership committee, and but it all 70 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of brought this brought that team together. The Jaguars 71 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: paid McCardell, but they weren't quite sure he was going 72 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: to ignite their passing game all by himself. So they 73 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: went back to Cleveland and swung for the moon All 74 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Pro wide receiver Andre Rising. I'm out and O t 75 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: A s doing some good stuff and here comes Andre. 76 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: You know, but I wasn't mad because Andre came, because 77 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: I've played with Andre and I knew what kind of 78 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: competitor he was. Um, everybody don't know what kind of 79 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: teacher he is. I mean, he he's a He's a 80 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: great motivator. Two guys, if you listen and know how 81 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: to listen to the things that you need to listen 82 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: to from him, and uh, because I was in Cleveland 83 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: when he was there, and I'll say this, he was 84 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: one of the guys that really got my confidence to 85 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: being where it needed to be weekend and week out, 86 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: day in and day out in the league. I mean, 87 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: how do you bounce back from from things? So with 88 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: him coming in the room, I wasn't mad at all 89 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: because I knew what kind of player he was. I 90 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: knew he was on you know he was He still 91 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: could play, he still could help us, But I didn't 92 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: know how he was gonna how Willie, Jimmy, Reggie was 93 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: gonna receive him, you know. So, you know, him coming 94 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: in the room, it kind of rubbed Jimmy a little 95 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: a little bit, I could tell, but he never let it. 96 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: Really really show one good thing about our room. We 97 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: laughed a lot. We our room liked each other. Our 98 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: room really liked each other. We always wanted each other 99 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: to be successful. It was just a competitive vibe in 100 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: our room. But we never made it spiteful to one another. 101 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we could go hang out, We're gonna have fun, 102 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: we go get on the boat, we go jet skiing together. 103 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: Our room was it was fun. And then the thing 104 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: about it. I I never forget the day. We were 105 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: out in practice one day and bad Moon was out 106 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: of practice, and uh, we were having one on ones 107 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: and he came out and he was doing some stuff 108 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: and one on one and he didn't get open. So 109 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Gilbride got on him and he turned to Kevin 110 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: and said, I got three hundred and fifty six moves 111 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: to get off the line. And Kevin told her, well, 112 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: can you use one of them to get off the 113 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: line of the day, and you should have started. We 114 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: were all standing back there and we just fell out laughing. 115 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: And that point right there, we knew that he would 116 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: say whatever we needed him to say for us. We 117 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: didn't have to be the guy that came in and 118 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: said something. That was one thing about Dre. He wasn't 119 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: afraid to say what was on our minds in that room, 120 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: and he helped us. And so from that point on, 121 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: I think Jimmy kind of loosened up about Dre and 122 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: started to realize that no, this guy could help me. 123 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: And then, you know, as the season went on, we 124 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: just started to help each other here and there. And 125 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: then I never forget the game in Pittsburgh we um 126 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: when when the situation happened with Andre. Uh. It was 127 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: we called it X read and we have a three 128 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: ray read on the play for the X and Dre 129 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: was land X and he saw it one way, Mark 130 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: saw it another way, Mark through the past. It was picked, 131 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, and it was a pick six. And I 132 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: think that was the downfall of what happened to Andre Rosen. 133 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: He he just made a bad read. I mean, it 134 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: could have happened to anybody, but just to say it 135 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: happened to a veteran and a guy of his experience 136 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: that has played in this league before, and he he 137 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: should have saw it and it was a it was 138 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: a clear picture that he should have saw. And you know, 139 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: it happened. And you know, the next week, the monday 140 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: he got cut, Jimmy. Jimmy came in the room and 141 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: we were like, hey, man, it's us, let's go. I mean, 142 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: and from that point on, it's been thunder and lightning 143 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: and and we I mean, we've we've seen a good 144 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: the bad. Uh, A lot of good times. Not a 145 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: lot of bad times, but a lot of good times. 146 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: Um Uh. Personally team wise, A bad thing that we 147 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: didn't do is let's bring a championship here. I thought 148 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: the dragonars were done when I walked into that locker 149 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: room on the Monday after Pittsburgh. The players who respected 150 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: and admired Rising, We're sitting on the floor at his feet. 151 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: It seemed ominous. It seemed over. But it wasn't the end. 152 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: It was the beginning. When that situation happened, you know, 153 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: it was like, all right, somebody gotta put the big 154 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: boy pants on the lead this team, and myself, Tony, 155 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, on offensive side of the ball mark in 156 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: a way that Mark leads. Um just kinda picked up 157 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: picked up the pieces. Um, we go, like you said, 158 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: go to St. Louis, big, big game me personally. But 159 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: in the end, we lose, and we lose on a 160 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: play that you know, we we just we felt like 161 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: we we were the better team and we lost. You know, 162 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: like you say, five picks. You very setting when the 163 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: NFL game with five picks. But it never broke us 164 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: because I think we saw the potential and who we 165 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: were offensively, and you know, and then you know, we 166 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: we keep going. We get in there, we get in 167 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: the locker room, we talked about it. It brought us closer. 168 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: The likes of Robert Massey, the Clyde Simmons was keeping 169 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: us together, you know. And I was a I was 170 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: a young leader. Those guys were veteran leaders that have 171 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: been in locker rooms. And I remember Robert Massey telling 172 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: me his in his own way, young we got it. 173 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: We just gotta get it, put it together. The talent 174 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: is here, he said, I've seen I have. I haven't 175 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: seen so much talent in one locker room. We just 176 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: got to bring it together. Clyde would always tell me, 177 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, get them together over there. Y'all got it. 178 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: We see it, you know. And those are guys that 179 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: have seen greatness and and played against great teams, have 180 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: been on some very good teams and some great teams, 181 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: and it just kept coming back in our mind, resonating 182 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: in our mind, like, hey, we gotta keep pushing, we 183 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: gotta keep getting better despite what's going on with us. 184 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: If we just continue to get better, the light is 185 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel for us. And hey man, 186 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: we for some reason it clicked for us and we 187 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: saw the light and we was running to it, running 188 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: to it as fast as possible, because as as you say, 189 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: why not us, we start to see it and start 190 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: to feel it in our in our win street. We 191 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: started to feel it and started, as they say, started 192 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: to feel yourself. The next four games moved the Jaguars 193 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: from four and seven to eight and seven, and at 194 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: the very custom of any probable playoff appearance, winning the 195 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: season finale against the three and twelve Falcons was old. 196 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: It's stood in their way, and they stood there on 197 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: the Jaguars playoff hopes until the game's final drive. They 198 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: go down, just started moving the ball, catching the ball here. Yeah, 199 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: I think Eric mccalfe caught the ball over the middle. 200 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Um My mind's going back terms matthis all those guys. 201 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: I think Eric caught the ball. Iron Head was pounding 202 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: the ball at us, and I was like, Eric, don't 203 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: do this to us, you know. And then you know, 204 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: they were moving the ball. So we get get a 205 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: fourth get fourth down. Martin comes out and he's one 206 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: of those guys that you know, being a veteran, it's 207 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: just automatic, you know. And we're all on the sideline 208 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: on the offensive side, just on our knees, looking at 209 00:12:54,800 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: looking at him head down, praying that he missed. The 210 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: snap comes. I remember looking at the snap. I'm looking 211 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: at the ball and when he kicked it, I was like, oh, 212 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't look good. And I looked up and I 213 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: was like, there's no way he's gonna make this. And 214 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: when it was going, I mean, I was already up 215 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: jumping and it's a picture at where I'm jumping and 216 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: Tony Bracken's is pushing me so far up in there. 217 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: He's just throwing me up. And it was just a 218 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: big side relief because we knew we didn't play our 219 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: best game. We're coming off a hot streak and played 220 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: a terrible game. I think if you, if you went 221 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: back to odds makers probably had us winning that game 222 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: running away and we played bad. So with that happened 223 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: and we got in. We came back and that week 224 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: going to Buffalo was like, man, we're in the dance. 225 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: We can write our home story right now. And it's like, 226 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: why not, brother, let's I mean, we're going up to Buffalo. 227 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: They've never lost the playoff game, enriched stadium and rich stuff. 228 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: I was like, so what why not us? I mean, 229 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: we got the best matchup on Bruce Smith with Tony Boselli, 230 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: we got Nate playing out of his mind right now, 231 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna do our stuff outside, So we were looking 232 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: at each other like, hey, we gotta we got a 233 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: good chance. We like our matchups, so we went in 234 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: and we just started playing like, look, it was cold, 235 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: crowd didn't bother us. We wasn't even worried about the crowd. 236 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: We were just so zoned in that that team. We 237 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: were so zoned in on our matchups, winning our matchups. 238 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: If we won our one on one matchups, we're gonna 239 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: win this game. And it was just so gratifying to 240 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: see Tony compete the way he competed against Bruce Smith, 241 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: shut him down like he did, and it helped us 242 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: it because going in it was like Bruce Smith is 243 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: going to destroy this, this this and to have Tony 244 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: go over and like silence him made it so much easier. 245 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: And then we started running the ball search she started 246 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: pounding him. On the other side, Nate started running the ball, 247 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: and we had to make our plays outside when we 248 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: got a chance to. We knew the weather was gonna 249 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: be a big issue for throwing the ball, but we 250 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: could lean on Nate, and that'side, That's how that team was. 251 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: We could lean on everybody and and everybody just decided 252 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: to step up and that game they played out of 253 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: his mind. He played out of his mind. You know. 254 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: Jimmy made a great catch, I made a big play. 255 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: Mark made some big throws. I mean, everybody just kind 256 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: of played the way they played. Our defense str k 257 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: gun we were. It was it was just it was 258 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: all coming together. So we got there, got to win. 259 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: Now everybody was like, whoa, that was just luck. They 260 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: just went in and and just got lucky in one one. 261 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: Now we're going to Denver. That week it was fun. 262 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: We were, we had I mean, we was playing with 263 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: house money. We were like, you know, they don't expect 264 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,239 Speaker 1: us to win, why not us go in and show them. 265 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean, so we're playing with house money. Uh. Then 266 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: about halfway through the week, we start to feel like, 267 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: hey man, we belong here. They know house money anymore. 268 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: It's us. It's a good team. We're good. Let's go. 269 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: Young guys start to feel see themselves as been a 270 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: good team. So we're going to Denver. We get there, 271 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: we get an article Jaguars, Oh Tom makes that very 272 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: known to us. Uh, this is what they think about you. Well, 273 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: it could have broke us or could have made us. Huh. 274 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: We had some veteran guys like Clyde Robert and Eddie 275 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: Robb all those guys. We were just kind of like Jeff, 276 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: which was a big key to us. Also on the defense. 277 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: Uh like it was like, hey man, you guys just 278 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: go out there and you know and like its way 279 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: you go out there and you know what and play 280 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: like you know what, and we're gonna handle this. And 281 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: we came in that locker room and say, this is 282 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: what they think about us. Let's go show him who 283 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: we really are. And uh, we got in that game 284 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: and we were like there was no stopping us. We 285 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: they came out and played the way they played, made 286 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: they threw a haymaker and then a big fight. We 287 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: threw a hay maker back, and then once they thought 288 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: they had us, they threw a couple of hay makers 289 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden we came back. Play down 290 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: the sideline that I made, I mean on the touchdown 291 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of jump started us. But I have to make 292 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: that play. I'm going to make that play. I mean, 293 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: everybody's like, wow, that's the player at jump start. That 294 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: was my number call. I was gonna make this play 295 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: so to get this team started, because that's who I 296 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: felt I was I was that leader that needed to 297 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: make a play to really get us going in the 298 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: right direction. And then after that, everybody just started playing 299 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: the third down that Jimmy carp I mean, it's sealed 300 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: the deal. I mean, I think, uh, those guys in 301 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: Denverver really felt how felt bad to lose it to 302 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: a team like us to upstart Jaguars, But they also 303 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: knew we were we were a pretty good team. You know, 304 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: I've never seen an FC championship game where the lights 305 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: go out, you know, how does the lights go out 306 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: in the n FC championship game? Man? But it went 307 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: out in the Super Bowl, so I can't I can't 308 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: say that, But at that time, it had lights that 309 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: never went out. If we'd have played anywhere close to 310 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: the level that we played the last two games, we'd 311 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: have beat that team. And I think, you know, not 312 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: saying it, that's the excuse. But they knew to slow 313 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: us down, you know, and uh, you know, but you 314 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: gotta get them credit. I mean, they played well at home, 315 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: and we felt like we let one slip away, to 316 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: be honest with you, and that taste was in our 317 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: off the whole off season, you know, and the driving 318 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: thing after losing that game. The only thing that we 319 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: could talk about all the way back in was getting 320 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: a playoff, getting the championship game here in Jacksonville. That 321 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: was the only thing that we were talking about on 322 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: a flight back. 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They were a 332 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: contender and they were confident because they had their quarterback 333 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: and he at Thunder and Lightning one we had to 334 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: have a quarterback, and Mark was the quarterback for us. 335 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: My manner, uh it listened to us, would trust us 336 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: on what we said, and he knew if he threw 337 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: it in and kind of anywhere close to us, we 338 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: will take care of it. We're gonna be wide open. Uh, 339 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: like we always say, we're like sevent we're always open. 340 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: Bro Um hit market tell y'all would tell him, I'm 341 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: always open more just look my way. But for us 342 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: to make the tandem that we were, we were so competitive, 343 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: but it was it goes back to our I would 344 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: starting in the National Football League. Um, both guys. I 345 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: came in twelfth round. He came in the second round, 346 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: had some situation, had entry situation in Dallas. They basically 347 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: forgot about him, like all right, well, let's move on. 348 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: So we're backs against the wall. Nobody's giving us a chance. 349 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: And heck too to be a successful NFL player. Let 350 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: along be a successful uh dynamic duo or dynamic receivers 351 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: in this league. Um, we talked about it a lot. 352 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: The next thing we we we said to ourselves and 353 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: we used to say it to ourselves all the time. 354 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: They were trying, they tried to kick us out. But 355 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: now we're gonna write through. We're gonna we're gonna go 356 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: out the way we want to go out. They'll never 357 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: be able to kick us out. They're never we'll we'll 358 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: never get cut. We're gonna walk away from this our 359 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: own way, And we used to say that to us 360 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: all the time. If we're coming down the ramp, we 361 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: always say our way, bro, and we're gonna make it. 362 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna go out our way. So that kind of 363 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: drove us. We were competitive as heck. Um, we always 364 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,239 Speaker 1: wanted the ball. We always want the ball, and a 365 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: lot of times it was just out of share determination, 366 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: fear of not being open and them saying that or 367 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: they can't get open anymore. That's why they that's why 368 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: they we should go out and get a number one, 369 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: because they can't do it when they're not talented enough. 370 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: So each and every day in practice, we wanted to 371 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: destroy our own teammates. I hate to say it that way, 372 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: but that's how we felt. Um. Any one on one 373 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: situations uh, and and joint practices. We wanted to show 374 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: people we were heading shoulders above everybody else, even their receivers. Uh. 375 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: We wanted them to look at us. Um. I think. Um, 376 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: that's the way we lived our lives here playing in Jacksonville. 377 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: And then it helped that this was an upstart franchise. 378 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: It played into what we had going. Nobody gave us 379 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: any respect, so let's show him and every day we 380 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: went out and it fueled us. When I left, it 381 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: feeled me when I left, it feel Jimmy even when 382 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: I left. Um just to show people exactly what they're 383 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: missing and what a lot of people missed out on 384 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: and two guys that they underestimated. The two men put 385 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: up Hall of Fame type numbers together and helped to 386 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: find the first era of jack words football. They also 387 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: built a lifelong friendship, but not only endured through Jimmy 388 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: Smith's personal struggles, but grew stronger as McCardell stayed close 389 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: to his friend. I mean, it was tough for me to, 390 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: uh to hear the things that I was hearing. Um Man, 391 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: that's my friend. I'm a defender, I mean, And one 392 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: thing I respected about Jimmy was that smooth never put 393 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: anything in my face. I mean, I was big brother, 394 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: little brother, what however you want to say it, It 395 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: was never in my face. The things that he was 396 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: doing was always and closed behind closed doors. And uh, 397 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: everybody said, you had to have known. I never knew 398 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: because it has so much he respected me, and I 399 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: wouldn't have us assumed that he was doing it at all. 400 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and the and the thing about 401 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: it is that he never around me ever was that way. 402 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: And you know, I I hate that I had to 403 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: leave because I felt like we we would have still 404 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: brought glory and probably brought a super Bowl here if 405 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: I would have never left. Um, but you know, that's 406 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: the way this business goes. I mean, and you know, 407 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: and I felt like he could with me being there 408 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: in that room. He knew that he had to be 409 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: a better, better citizen, respect the room. And that's the 410 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: thing that I felt like some of the guys in 411 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: the room, he didn't respect the room, and some of 412 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: the guys fell in the trap of following Jimmy. The 413 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: young guys was following Jimmy. I was never a follower. 414 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to be a follower. I was gonna lead, 415 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: and I was gonna show him how how it should 416 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: be done, because when I got here, that's what I 417 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: was told to do. That's what I was asked to dude, 418 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: that's what that's who I am. Period. If you lead, 419 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: if you follow me, if you're a leader, you're gonna 420 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: have guys. You're gonna show people the right way to 421 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: do things. And I think every day that I went 422 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: out when I was here. He respected that, and I 423 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: respected him going out every day and working the way 424 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: he did. And I think when I left, he didn't 425 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: have anybody to really push him to that point. And 426 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, and like today, you know, I called him. 427 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: I just called him yesterday, you know, left him a 428 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: message here. He usually calls me back. You know, I'll 429 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: get a call today. We'll talk um. Relationship is good. 430 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times we'll just let him 431 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: be himself. And I was just you know, you're good. 432 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: I mean he's like, yeah, I'm fine, man, I'm just 433 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: chasing the kids. And then that's what happens now. You know, 434 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: he realizes some things, you know, the embarrassment to his family, Uh, 435 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: embarrassment to him. But that's part of life. I mean, 436 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: you you you you pick up the pieces, you put 437 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: it back together, and you'd be a better person. You 438 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: just just try to do it one day at a time. 439 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's what he's doing. Those Jaguars were 440 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: among the best teams in the a f C in 441 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: ninety seven and ninety eight, and they were the best 442 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: team in ninety nine except for the Titans. It was 443 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: such a dislike that we felt like we had to 444 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: go out and win instead of just playing like it 445 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: was another team. It's kind of like you go the 446 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: extra mile to try to beat them, but you overdo 447 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: it instead of just being yourself, you know. I mean, 448 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: I can remember the second game of the year that 449 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: we were fourtune into an. I can remember Tom being 450 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: furious because that week we had just one I think, 451 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: and we're getting ready to play Tennessee, and his whole 452 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: demeanor just changed that week. I'm like, we're thirteen and 453 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: one right now, Let's go in here and play Jaguar 454 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: football and not make a big deal about this, and 455 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: let's play and see what happens. But everybody just seemed 456 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: they got to get so uptight because it was Tennessee. 457 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher, those guys that they beat us Hill, they 458 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: beat us nine to six. I think in the rainy 459 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: game here, it was a close game and we go 460 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: up Tennisee and get our head beat in and I'm 461 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: like and then everybody's like, well it was you guys 462 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: had already clinched. It was just what formality this that 463 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: and the other. I was like, no, it was too 464 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: much of a dislike instead of personal about that one team. 465 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: Instead of just playing this team as it's it's just 466 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: another team. And I would say we played some better 467 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: teams that year, you know, all before that, but it 468 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: was just it's the Tennessee type. And I know it's 469 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: a division game and divisional game, and you just gotta 470 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: kind of sometimes you kind of have to go back 471 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: to being yourself and playing your brand of football instead 472 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: of trying to beat them and play who you are, 473 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: Be who you are and let it happen and it 474 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: will happen. And I really feel that way every time 475 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 1: we play Tennessee, every time play them. After that, all 476 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's the Titans. We gotta do this 477 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: and we get out of our game instead of playing 478 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: jaguar football, and you know, and then coming in they 479 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: beat us, uh three times, which is a big feat 480 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: to do in the National Football League with all the 481 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: film study and all that, and I think it got 482 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: to be a mindset of who they were, and that 483 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 1: was our big Achilles Hill from from from keeping us 484 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: from from being in the Super Bowl. The talent on 485 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: that team, No, I've been fourteen in two once in 486 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: my career, no once in my career, have been twe 487 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: before twice and that fourteen and two team was better 488 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: than those two even four teams, but those two one 489 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: of those two have but four teams got to the 490 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: super Bowl. I think it's it's tryveristy because you look 491 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: at the talent that was on that team, Corne l 492 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: a Um, the Brackens, the Hearties, I mean the guys 493 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: that Fred myself, I mean art to I mean you 494 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: look at those look at the talent. You go down 495 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: the line and it was it was set, and to 496 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: not come through it, it was very disappointing for us 497 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: that it It hurt us a lot. It's kind of 498 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: like the franchise put all the eggs in the basket 499 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: that year and we came up short, and then it's 500 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: kind of like, let's go a different direction. It was like, 501 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to say go to a different 502 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: direction when there's only one team in the league that 503 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: beat you. And I mean, I felt like that window 504 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: of opportunity was still open for us and we should 505 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: have kept it together one more time and let's see 506 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: what happens. Because when you look at it, everybody was 507 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: coming back. Everybody could have came back, you know, and 508 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: I think that team would have been the team that 509 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: that would have brought us a Super Bowl here more 510 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: respectives following this from Vistar Credit Union Advice Star, we 511 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: believe in better, especially in helping build a better financial 512 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: future for our members, so we reviewed our offerings from 513 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: the ground up. We've lowered or eliminated over half our 514 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: fees and enhanced our already competitive rates, saving members more 515 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: than a million dollars this year, in addition to the 516 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: millions we saved them every year. If you believe that 517 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: saving money is better joined by Star, we never forget 518 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: that it's your money, all loan subject to approval insured 519 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: by n c U. A. McCardell left in two thousand 520 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: two and wouldn't return to Jacksonville until once again to 521 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: lead the receivers. This time though from the front of 522 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: the room coming back, I was so excited, um trying 523 00:33:51,440 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: to get our franchise to being back in the limelight. Um. 524 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: You know, winning a Super Bowl here is big for me. 525 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: I mean even as a coach, because I feel like 526 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: it's well deserved. It's been a lot of years of 527 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 1: hard work for Mr Weaver um to Miss Weaver. I mean, 528 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: they have they have put this franchise in the right direction. 529 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: You know now that Mr Connor, he has it that 530 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: now he has his going in the right direction. It's 531 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: time for the Jaguars. Time for the city of Jacksonville, 532 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: not just the jack was the city of Jacksonville to 533 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: be seen as a champion, I mean a city of champions. 534 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: And uh, I would love be a part of this, 535 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: this this process of bringing it here because I mean, 536 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: these fans in Jacksonville they deserve it, because they are 537 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: one of the best fan bases that people don't know 538 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: about out They know football, they know it from the 539 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: ends and outs of football, and people don't realize it 540 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: because it's such great college football here and they understand football. 541 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: They love football. They eat and breathe football here in Jacksonville. 542 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: And why not. It's Duvall and I should said the 543 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: right way. Du All this time, though he didn't hesitate 544 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: to work for the guy he once thought he couldn't 545 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 1: play for, I care so much for him because he's 546 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: a person that believed in me and gave me a 547 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: true opportunity to be who I am now, who and 548 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: who I always wanted to be in this in this league. Um. 549 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: He believed in me. Um, That's all I wanted somebody 550 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: to do is believe in me, because I'm gonna give 551 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: you my best each and every day. Um. I played 552 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: with an arrogancy because he has an errancy himself or 553 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: being the best. Uh. It played right into what I wanted, 554 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: what I needed as a coach. Um. You know, just 555 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: him being who he is. He's straightforward, straight shooter. You know. 556 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: I remember our conversations through the times of some situations 557 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: that were happening here, you know, and I could come 558 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: out and be myself and tell him the truth. He 559 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: respected it. He might not have liked it, he still 560 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: told me he didn't like it, but he respected it. 561 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: And uh and in his own kind of way, he'll 562 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: come back and say I hear you. He might not 563 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: tell you right away, but in a way you and 564 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: I kind of it's kind of like father's son. You 565 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: You you kind of understand what he's talking about, and 566 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: he kind of understands what you're talking about, and you 567 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 1: get that that sense of all right, I got you, 568 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: you know. And um, I mean he through all the 569 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: times that he was tim the terrible we were rallying 570 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 1: around ourselves, he he never waivered and I didn't expect 571 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: him to waiver. But I could always go talk to 572 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: him and and just say, hey, this is the field 573 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: of the locker room. Um. You might not like it, 574 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: but I'm telling you, Um, but we will handle it 575 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: down there. You've got enough guys in the locker room 576 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: that can handle it. Uh, you don't have to worry 577 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: about it. We'll we'll get it together. You know. Tony 578 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: was one of those guys too. It's like, we'll go 579 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: down there and we'll get it together. And and he 580 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: just let us be who we are, and we let 581 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: him be who he was. The man noticed Thunder cares 582 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: deeply about his legacy. He knows Jimmy what was the 583 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: big play guy. And he's entirely comfortable with what he did, 584 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: with what he meant, with what he means to the Jaguars. 585 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: I'm that clutch guy. When you need it, call on 586 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: me through whatever situation he was coming up with the football. 587 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: You need a big play, called the playmaker, call me, 588 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 1: called my number. It's gonna happen for us. Um. It's 589 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of funny you say that men Eric were great 590 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: friends and being teammates in Cleveland and stuff like that. 591 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: Every time I played that that franchise was always a 592 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: little chip on my shoulder. So for you to say 593 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: that that defined me, probably did because showed the arrogancy 594 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: that I had and showed the determination to prove Baltimore wrong. 595 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: It's just part of who I was. I mean, always 596 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: trying to prove something, and that that that situation we 597 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: needed it, We had to have it, so I had 598 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: to make a catch, and me being that guy, being 599 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: the guy that was supposed to make a catch. That's 600 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: your job, because you are the leader. Let me leave.