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This episode also contains subject matter, including 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.919 graphic depictions of violence, which may not be suitable for everyone. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.280 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:00.800 Previously on Crook County, Kenny got some new orders, so. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.640 Not only working and running whorehouses, I'm doing occasional hits 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.240 on the site, all right ordered hits. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.440 And we met a new boss. 0:01:09.479 --> 0:01:12.240 Big Fat Pollie. He always gave me my assignment. 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.799 Kenny's twin brother, Rich revealed an abusive childhood. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.640 I remember eating dog food because I was so damn hungry. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.040 You know, some of the torture stuff I wouldn't. I 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.560 never speak of it ever. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.639 And remembers Ken as a troubled kid. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.239 You could see why he could be an enforcer because 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:36.999 he just had that mentality, very violent mentality. 0:01:38.039 --> 0:01:57.120 My name is Kyle Tequila. Welcome to Crook County. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.360 There was up evil in the synding in the outfit. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:06.960 At that time. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.480 The clubs were being taken over by different factions drugs. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.919 There was a there was a big turf war for drugs. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.640 There was a lot of upheoval at that particular time, 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.399 so I was able to backdoor my shit out at 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:18.960 that time. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:32.959 Episode six. Fire in the Sky. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.560 They're reporting this afternoon on the worst commercial air disaster 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.200 in the United States commercial aviation history. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.600 There was a plane that went down in Chicago at 0:02:43.679 --> 0:02:45.800 DC ten that I actually witnessed. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:46.960 This plane going out. 0:02:47.519 --> 0:02:51.360 At o'hairfield, Flight one ninety one, American Airlines bound for 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:56.840 Los Angeles. The account of possible disaster victims is ranges 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.320 from two sixty three up to two hundred and seventy nine, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.200 some as high as two hundred and ninety. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.640 In nineteen seventy nine, the tragic crash of American Airlines 0:03:05.679 --> 0:03:07.120 Flight one ninety one. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.280 Shocked the hew Hill is now in position at o'harefield 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.080 to give us our first direct on the scenes report. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:19.280 You're standing at the oasis on the Toll Road overlooking 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:25.200 the seed of this crash. There are no survivors, No survivors. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.920 Ken was leaving a shift at the club and stopped 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.279 to pump gas at a station near O'Hara Airport when 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.320 he witnessed the plane make a cartwheel in midair and 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.320 nose dive into the ground shortly after takeoff. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.880 Many rescue vehicles leaving the area, more coming in fighting 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.839 rush hour traffic to get there. Just an unbelievable sight. 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.600 Hundreds of people milling around wishing that they could help, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:53.559 wanting to help. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.119 I'm sure, but the heat is. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.200 So intense from the smoldering wreckage it's almost impossible to 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.160 get close to some of the areas of the plane 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:02.800 that are left. 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.960 The scene left an enormous impression on Kenny's mind, and 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.600 over the course of the next few months, an idea 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.760 began to form that maybe one day he could be 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:14.719 a firefighter. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.800 It's just like I saw all the fire trucks, the police, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:20.680 everybody converging in on this. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.200 I'm like, Dad, I'd be a cool job, dude. 0:04:24.840 --> 0:04:27.360 They are still taking bodies out every few minutes. The 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.320 firemen are still here. All of these emergency emergency personnel 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.000 quite dedicated to the task, highly professional people, but of 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.920 course touched by the emotion of this this day and 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:38.440 this night. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.240 So I just did a little bit of research. And 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.000 back then research he had to go to a library, 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.160 you know. So I did a little of a research, 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.040 and I knew I did not want to be in 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.440 the outfit of my whole life. It's just I just 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:52.840 knew I didn't want to do that. And even though 0:04:52.840 --> 0:04:55.320 I was on natural but I just simply didn't. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:55.640 Want to do it. 0:04:58.280 --> 0:05:01.000 But it was only an idea, and a crazy one 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.160 at that. He was deep in the outfit and there 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.480 was no way they would ever let him go. So 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.159 he put it behind him and went back to work. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.640 But I always knew, and this is kind of a 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:20.320 and this is kind of bizire, but I always knew 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.760 that the less I knew, the better chance I had 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:31.200 of surviving. Now we flipped that coin. I'm doing hits, 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.640 all right. You know that's knowing too much. So I'm 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.160 in the mode of, you know, don't get nosy, don't 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:40.120 ask questions. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:40.800 Do your job and go home. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:46.800 However, I guess the people that are attracted that business 0:05:46.840 --> 0:05:50.480 and are in their business are not There's no paper trail. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.640 And back then it was strictly papers, no computers, and 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.520 I had strictly paper. And if you didn't have a 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.520 paper trail, you didn't exist. These people were living, they 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.600 were tangible, They ate, they breathed, they did bad. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.360 Things, but they didn't exist. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.720 Everything was done with cash, you know, Like I said, 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.880 you walking to a goddamn car dealer and nineteen seventy 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.560 nine and buy a fucking Coop Deville for twelve thousand 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:20.040 dollars cash, because that's all they wanted was cash. And 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.680 no one's asking any fucking questions. You know, I'll give 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.000 a fuck who this guy is. Here's your application, Well, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.040 I mean, whatever you're filling out there, use whatever fucking 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.160 name you want. You know, I got that cash in 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:37.600 my hand, baby, it's just packed right there. So it's 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.120 a cash world. No one's asking questions now that you 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.560 can never do that now, that's impossible. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:43.840 You can't. 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:45.440 You can't live like that now. 0:06:46.280 --> 0:06:48.680 And you can't get away with the stuff that we 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:49.840 got away with. 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.280 Now it would be impossible. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.080 I asked Chicago Tribune reporter Jeff Cohen to weigh in 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.320 on this general period in the outfit. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.680 To Chicago in the seventies and the eighties, you're still 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:09.080 dealing with the leftover organization of basically the Compone era. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.360 At that time, it was still very kind of a 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.400 top down organization. You still had major bosses, You had 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.400 the Tonyocardo characters who were running the outfit. And it 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.480 was that leftover organization, the organization that came out of 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.680 prohibition and was able to gain a foothold in Chicago 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:33.240 by having tentacles that went into government and went into 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:38.400 the police department and went into unions that allowed them 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.360 to sort of operate with impunity, and they weren't afraid 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.200 of law enforcement because a lot of times they had 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.800 the good enough control of law enforcement that they didn't 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.000 really need to be fearful of that, and so that 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:57.120 let them expand into basically almost all manner of life 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.440 in Chicago. There were certain neighborhoods where you couldn't even 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.000 open up a hot dog stand without getting some kind 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.040 of the permission and or street loan from somebody who 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.960 would then have a piece of that business going forward. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.760 So you had money moving through the city at all 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.720 levels that they controlled through legitimate businesses and definitely through 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:19.960 illegitimate ones. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.200 As the years dragged on, the image of the plane 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:29.000 crash still haunted him, and he found himself no longer 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.200 able to suppress the urge to move on from the outfit. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.559 Yeah, the reason I was the reason I remember that 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.720 plane crash so much is because that's when I decided 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.319 I wanted to be a paramedic firefighter. You know, I 0:08:41.319 --> 0:08:42.920 figured that's my career. Now, I'm going to do this 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.160 because I don't want to do what I'm doing. Everybody 0:08:46.199 --> 0:08:48.079 that worked in that business, that was their career and 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.959 their minds, that's what they were going to do forever. 0:08:51.719 --> 0:08:54.840 I knew that that's just that's just not going to happen. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:56.200 It's just it can't happen. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.640 Ken had made up his mind and put a plan 0:08:59.719 --> 0:09:03.239 in place to eventually leave the outfit. With his current 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.599 responsibilities taking up most of his time, he knew it 0:09:06.599 --> 0:09:09.280 would take years to finish all the classes required to 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.199 get his paramedic license before he could even begin to 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.160 look for a job, but none of that would even 0:09:15.199 --> 0:09:18.239 matter without the approval of the higher ups, which he 0:09:18.319 --> 0:09:22.439 knew was impossible. So he went back to his old boss, Mickey, 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.200 the maid guy, who first saw potential in a young 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.719 kid who had robbed his nephew and offered him a 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:28.959 place in the outfit. 0:09:29.959 --> 0:09:33.679 I was young, I still had a chance to get out, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.160 and he's kind of liked me, and he knew that 0:09:36.319 --> 0:09:38.360 would not be a look life for me, so he 0:09:38.439 --> 0:09:41.280 kind of encouraged me on the side to just you know, 0:09:42.079 --> 0:09:43.999 go ahead, get your education, all right. 0:09:45.839 --> 0:09:47.280 But so he was like a mentor. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.239 Yeah, he was like a fucking fu mentor. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.320 So yeah, yeah, I mean he was like, you know, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:53.679 I mean I looked at him like a dad. 0:09:53.959 --> 0:09:54.599 Yeah. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.040 I asked Jeff if he's ever heard of anything happened 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.920 like this before someone getting out of the mob. 0:10:00.599 --> 0:10:03.200 I have a couple of friends who, as you know, 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.640 everybody in Chicago kind of knows somebody who knows somebody 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.200 kind of thing where there were these two sons and 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.120 their dad was a Chicago police officer and also basically 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.640 like the sub boss of Kimiski Park. So all the 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.280 concessions going in and out of Kimiski, they controlled it, 0:10:19.319 --> 0:10:21.959 and they would skim it and take money out. 0:10:21.839 --> 0:10:23.160 Of the ballpark and blah blah blah. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.040 So they allow some of that to happen for the 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.240 reason that you said, I think in episode one where 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.839 somebody who has value who's going someplace, they allow them 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.480 to kind of do that because they think it's something 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.400 that they can use in the future. So when I 0:10:36.439 --> 0:10:38.320 heard you tell that story, I was like, Yeah, that's 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.040 kind of a thing they let They let some people go. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:48.400 So, with the green light from Mickey Ken hit the books, I. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.800 Start studying to be an EMPT paramedic. All right, I 0:10:51.839 --> 0:10:54.840 get my EMT. I could take the fire department test anyway. Anyway, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.920 So I go through that trade. I am working in 0:10:57.959 --> 0:11:00.320 the outfit, and I'm studying to be an EMPT because 0:11:00.319 --> 0:11:01.640 I want to get out of a fire department. I want 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.639 a career, I want to get out of this business. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.999 But he was still years away from passing any tests, 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.080 and I still had a job to do managing the club, 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.560 and that responsibility came before all else. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.520 So I remember working the front door of the whorehouses 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.720 and studying my EMT bush. While I was working the 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:27.040 front door at the whorehouses, I distinctly remember that they 0:11:27.079 --> 0:11:29.320 thought I was nuts. You know, what the fuck you 0:11:29.319 --> 0:11:30.880 want to do that for? Let's go out and party, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.319 you know, I just told them, listen, I got. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:34.200 More important shit to do. 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.199 Okay, more important to me, so and I think they 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:42.199 respected that. So I think they impressed the bosses too, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:43.800 you know, because I wasn't. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:48.439 I wasn't doing what everybody was doing. I was trying 0:11:48.439 --> 0:11:48.840 to move on. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.839 Part of that responsibility included hiring new girls, and one 0:11:54.959 --> 0:11:58.200 new girl in particular, lit a fire and Ken that 0:11:58.319 --> 0:12:13.000 almost cost him everything. Over the years, while Ken was 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.080 working the club, he had seen hundreds of girls come 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.640 in and out of the business. Some lasted longer than others, 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.679 but many of them would be there one day and 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.480 gone the next. It seemed to be the nature of 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.400 the trade. But every now and then a girl would 0:12:30.439 --> 0:12:34.920 show up that seemed different than the rest, somehow out 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:39.600 of place in this cruel, dark world they occupied. One 0:12:39.599 --> 0:12:41.999 of those girls was named Honey. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.920 Honey. Honey was my girl, you guys, Honey was the 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.679 best man Like, we just hit it off. I can't 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:50.239 explain it. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:51.959 Just one of those people you could sit on and 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:56.600 talk with and just have a conversation for hours without 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.640 even having to think about what you're going to talk about. 0:12:58.959 --> 0:13:01.520 Or he could just sit there and talk about nothing 0:13:01.599 --> 0:13:03.559 and feel just as comfortable. 0:13:04.199 --> 0:13:11.119 Just as safe, as peaceful as having a great conversation. 0:13:11.199 --> 0:13:14.240 She was just one of those people who I felt really, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.840 really comfortable with, and she felt very, very comfortable with me. 0:13:18.959 --> 0:13:22.360 She must have been special because Ken was breaking one 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:26.479 of the cardinal rules of the business. Never get emotionally 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:27.760 involved with the talent. 0:13:28.719 --> 0:13:31.199 We would date. I dated her. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.999 I feel like, I'll be honest with you, I think 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.559 I fell in love with her. I really do. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.040 I think I fell in love with that girl. I 0:13:37.079 --> 0:13:40.120 asked him what she looked like. Yeah, kind of short. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.760 I don't know, maybe five four little baby doll cuts, 0:13:43.959 --> 0:13:46.880 you know, short bangs, you know, down the sides of 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.679 the cheeks, back of the cheeks, and then cropped up 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.999 on the neck. You know, just I don't know what 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.520 they call them, baby dolls. I used to call them 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:54.280 baby doll cuts. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.959 She wore red lipstick drove me insane. Red lipstick drives 0:13:58.959 --> 0:14:01.679 me insane. She wore it all the time. 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.240 And she had those sparkling, beautiful eyes, so you could 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:05.839 swim in them. 0:14:05.839 --> 0:14:11.400 I could just dive go swimming in her eyes. And 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:17.119 that smile. Man, that got me every fucking time. It's 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:17.760 a great girl. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.720 Ken knew he would need to tread carefully with Honey, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.400 but the attraction was too strong. They were lovers and 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.200 friends and would spend many nights confiding in each other. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.440 She would and I would come to work, you know, 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.279 stressed out because I was in school a lot, and 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:40.359 I you know, I knew I had to work of 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:45.000 late shifts and you know, it's tired. But I'd walk 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.840 in the door and she would be waiting for me. Man, 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.040 she was always so loyal, and there she would just 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.960 I'd see that big smile on her just, you know, 0:14:54.480 --> 0:15:02.200 just everything went away, all the bad stuff went away. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.600 But Honey wasn't the only woman in Ken's life. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.040 I was seeing Honey when I was dating your mother, Kyle. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:11.759 We weren't married. We were dating, and we. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.880 Would for quite a period there, just like all people 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.160 when they first start dating. Maybe not all people, but 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.560 in our particular case, we would break up for a 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.200 time and then get back together. Would break up for 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.800 a time, get back together, and for a couple of 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.080 years there. Your mother and I broke up, and that's 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.680 when I did a lot of this mobster work. We 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.360 did a lot of it when she was when I 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.880 was broken up with her. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:38.160 I asked my mom what she remembers about these years if. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.240 We got married when we were engaged at nineteen and twenty, 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.400 I would have been divorced at twenty two. But the 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:50.120 relationship kept coming back, back and forth back. It was 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.680 like we would break up and he would see people 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.640 and I would see people, and we would be like 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.880 in a bar at the same time. He was somebody 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:03.800 and I was somebody. But it kept going on for 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:08.480 eight years. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:13.440 The simple fact is Holly was a civilian, an innocent, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.720 and not a part of this life. So Ken continued 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.720 to keep a wall up between his two worlds, but 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.920 Honey was on the inside, and he could be himself 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:29.200 around her. With Honey, there was nothing to hide. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:32.640 She was one of a kind. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.440 I don't think I met anybody ever like her, even 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:35.680 even your mother, who I got along. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:36.360 I loved your mother. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.480 I still love your mom, but it was just it 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.080 was a difference. It was different, I think because we 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.600 were both doing that stupid work. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.400 She was a horror I was running a whororhouse. You know. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.080 I think I think we had that little thing in common. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.040 She was a soulmate, you know, almost like a soulmate, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:59.640 like a companion. We both escaped together, us together. Yeah, 0:16:59.960 --> 0:17:05.639 I was her escape and she was my escape, absolutely, yeah. 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.440 And there was certainly a lot to escape from during 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.360 this period in the Outfit. The growing popularity of cocaine 0:17:12.399 --> 0:17:16.040 in America had given rise to powerful and violent drug cartels, 0:17:16.159 --> 0:17:20.119 which led to intense warring among rival organizations with origins 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.320 from all over the world competing for the same Chicago turf. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.680 There were gun battles in the streets, an attempted takeovers 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.040 of Outfit businesses all across the Chicago Land area. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.520 There was a couple of attempts to take over the clubs. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:38.440 There was a Russian group of Russians, maybe Ukrainians, maybe Georgians, 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.199 I don't know, Eastern European and they were coming into 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.280 to take over the clubs, not just ah, not just 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.399 the club I was working, but the clubs in that 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.600 whole area there. And dude, I don't know what is 0:17:49.639 --> 0:17:54.680 going on here, I really don't. They just appeared and yeah, yeah, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.679 it was a fucking gun battle that broke out. I 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.399 mean I remember, I remember yanking my peace and coming 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.199 right out of right right over the top of my 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:03.280 desk and just. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.280 Unloading, just unloading on the mouth. 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.720 The guy that was talking doing all thought. I just 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.800 filled him up full of lead. His whole face was 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.959 loaded up, and I don't think the guys were expecting that. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.280 So they pulled their pieces, but they left, They turned 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:21.120 around and ran. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:22.040 They didn't stay. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.719 And I don't know why they could have had me 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.560 because I was I only had a couple of shots 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.840 left and then I had to make a phone call. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.759 We had to get them out of there. So some 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.560 people came and wrapped them up in clear plastic. I 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.239 don't know why clear plasts, but he was clear plastic 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.840 for him, cleaned up the mess and took him where 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.359 they took him, put some buried them some foundation somewhere 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:44.720 because we had construction companies. 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:46.680 We would pay to. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.000 Put our bodies into foundations that they were working on 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.879 nothing no no residential stuff, but all commercial stuff. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.080 And they were on the payroll and they got paid. 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.280 You know, it'd be a it'd be a midnight poor 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.560 you know, they put the lights up and bring a 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:04.920 truck out and midnight poor. 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.560 They'd be pooring a concree we at two o'clock in 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.320 the morning and we'd be dropping bodies. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.840 So yeah, I mean everything was pre arrange, you guys. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.759 Guy's got to realize it's a business man. It's a 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.040 business And a lot of people had their fingers in 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.560 the pie, all right, so called legit people and so 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:22.480 called not legit people. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:23.120 All right. 0:19:23.879 --> 0:19:26.639 Everybody had their fingers in the pie. Everybody was getting 0:19:26.639 --> 0:19:30.520 a piece, all right. And that's what kept the piece, 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:32.760 because everybody was getting a piece. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.120 Sixty seven year old Roy Williams, head of the powerful 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.840 Teamsters union, guilty on all counts. Fifty nine year old 0:19:56.879 --> 0:20:01.280 Allan Dorfman of suburban Deerfield, guilty on all counts. Dortmund 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.919 of Chicago, insurance executive and former consultant to the Teamster's 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.680 pension fund as close ties to the crime syndicate. Fifty 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.600 three year old Joseph Joey that Clowned Lombardo Lombardo of Chicago, 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.719 guilty on all counts. Lombardo has been identified by federal 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:21.399 investigators as a high ranking member of the Chicago crime syndicate. Lombardo, 0:20:21.639 --> 0:20:23.280 who had never been convicted. 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.840 Of him The nineteen eighties was a tumultuous time for 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:30.000 organized crime in America. The FBI had ramped up efforts 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.679 to fight corruption and the mafia stranglehold on local governments, 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:35.720 labor unions, and law enforcement. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.440 Forty five year old Thomas O'Malley, a former Chicago policeman, 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.560 guilty on all counts. Messa and the other four defendants 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.639 face up to fifty five years in prison. 0:20:46.159 --> 0:20:50.400 Unprecedented cooperation across major federal agencies led to many high 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:55.240 profile prosecutions of mafia bosses, corrupt government officials, and crooket 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:56.840 cops all over the country. 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:01.199 The message from this jury is quite clear and that 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.320 at least in this district, but that conduct charged in 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:09.119 the indictment, when proven by the government, will not be tolerated. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.800 On top of all this, the turf wars were still raging. 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.440 There was up evil in the outfit at that time. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.240 The clubs were being taken over by different factions. Drugs, 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.680 there was a there was a big turf war for drugs. 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.439 There was a lot of up evil at that particular time. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.919 All this chaos was taking its toll on the power 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.359 structure of the organization, and a feeling that this could 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.160 be the beginning of the end permeated the outfit. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.679 The Chicago Outfit had, especially in the seventies and eighties, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.560 still almost like a corporate type of structure, where you 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.840 had you had a singular boss, you had almost like 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:48.919 a board of directors, guys who were close to him 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.159 who would go and make some of the key decisions. 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.479 And then underneath them you would have people at the 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:59.320 coppo level or people running individual street crews, and then 0:21:59.399 --> 0:22:02.399 under them you might have lieutenants who were kind of 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.359 like their their bosses on the street. 0:22:04.399 --> 0:22:07.840 You would direct you know, groups of six, seven, eight 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:12.080 made guys who are really in the organization, and then 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.879 beneath them they might have all sorts of different associates 0:22:14.879 --> 0:22:18.320 and operators who were a part of the organization but 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:22.239 not plugged into that level, but they would still do 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:26.040 the bidding of crew members or especially a street crew boss. 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:30.560 So you had this kind of corporate hierarchical structure, pyramid 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.000 type structure. And so when you have a conspiracy case 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.639