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Speaker 2: Previously on Crook County, Kenny got some new orders, so.

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Speaker 4: Not only working and running whorehouses, I'm doing occasional hits

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Speaker 4: on the site, all right ordered hits.

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Speaker 2: And we met a new boss.

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Speaker 1: Big Fat Pollie. He always gave me my assignment.

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Speaker 2: Kenny's twin brother, Rich revealed an abusive childhood.

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Speaker 5: I remember eating dog food because I was so damn hungry.

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Speaker 5: You know, some of the torture stuff I wouldn't. I

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Speaker 5: never speak of it ever.

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Speaker 2: And remembers Ken as a troubled kid.

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Speaker 5: You could see why he could be an enforcer because

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Speaker 5: he just had that mentality, very violent mentality.

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Speaker 2: My name is Kyle Tequila. Welcome to Crook County.

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Speaker 1: There was up evil in the synding in the outfit.

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Speaker 1: At that time.

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Speaker 4: The clubs were being taken over by different factions drugs.

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Speaker 1: There was a there was a big turf war for drugs.

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of upheoval at that particular time,

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Speaker 4: so I was able to backdoor my shit out at

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Speaker 4: that time.

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Speaker 2: Episode six. Fire in the Sky.

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Speaker 6: They're reporting this afternoon on the worst commercial air disaster

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Speaker 6: in the United States commercial aviation history.

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Speaker 4: There was a plane that went down in Chicago at

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Speaker 4: DC ten that I actually witnessed.

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Speaker 1: This plane going out.

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Speaker 6: At o'hairfield, Flight one ninety one, American Airlines bound for

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Speaker 6: Los Angeles. The account of possible disaster victims is ranges

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Speaker 6: from two sixty three up to two hundred and seventy nine,

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy nine, the tragic crash of American Airlines

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Speaker 2: Flight one ninety one.

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Speaker 6: Shocked the hew Hill is now in position at o'harefield

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Speaker 6: to give us our first direct on the scenes report.

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Speaker 7: You're standing at the oasis on the Toll Road overlooking

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Speaker 7: the seed of this crash. There are no survivors, No survivors.

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Speaker 2: Ken was leaving a shift at the club and stopped

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Speaker 2: to pump gas at a station near O'Hara Airport when

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Speaker 2: he witnessed the plane make a cartwheel in midair and

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Speaker 2: nose dive into the ground shortly after takeoff.

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Speaker 8: Many rescue vehicles leaving the area, more coming in fighting

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Speaker 8: rush hour traffic to get there. Just an unbelievable sight.

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Speaker 8: Hundreds of people milling around wishing that they could help,

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Speaker 8: wanting to help.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, but the heat is.

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Speaker 8: So intense from the smoldering wreckage it's almost impossible to

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Speaker 8: get close to some of the areas of the plane

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Speaker 8: that are left.

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Speaker 2: The scene left an enormous impression on Kenny's mind, and

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Speaker 2: over the course of the next few months, an idea

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Speaker 2: began to form that maybe one day he could be

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Speaker 4: It's just like I saw all the fire trucks, the police,

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Speaker 4: everybody converging in on this.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Dad, I'd be a cool job, dude.

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Speaker 9: They are still taking bodies out every few minutes. The

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Speaker 9: firemen are still here. All of these emergency emergency personnel

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Speaker 9: quite dedicated to the task, highly professional people, but of

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Speaker 9: course touched by the emotion of this this day and

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Speaker 9: this night.

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Speaker 4: So I just did a little bit of research. And

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Speaker 4: back then research he had to go to a library,

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Speaker 4: you know. So I did a little of a research,

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Speaker 4: and I knew I did not want to be in

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Speaker 4: the outfit of my whole life. It's just I just

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Speaker 4: knew I didn't want to do that. And even though

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Speaker 2: But it was only an idea, and a crazy one

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Speaker 4: But I always knew, and this is kind of a

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Speaker 4: all right. You know that's knowing too much. So I'm

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Speaker 1: Do your job and go home.

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Speaker 4: However, I guess the people that are attracted that business

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Speaker 4: and are in their business are not There's no paper trail.

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Speaker 4: And back then it was strictly papers, no computers, and

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Speaker 4: I had strictly paper. And if you didn't have a

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Speaker 4: paper trail, you didn't exist. These people were living, they

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Speaker 4: were tangible, They ate, they breathed, they did bad.

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Speaker 1: Things, but they didn't exist.

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Speaker 4: Everything was done with cash, you know, Like I said,

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Speaker 4: you walking to a goddamn car dealer and nineteen seventy

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Speaker 4: nine and buy a fucking Coop Deville for twelve thousand

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Speaker 4: no one's asking any fucking questions. You know, I'll give

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Speaker 4: a fuck who this guy is. Here's your application, Well,

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Speaker 4: I mean, whatever you're filling out there, use whatever fucking

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Speaker 4: name you want. You know, I got that cash in

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Speaker 4: my hand, baby, it's just packed right there. So it's

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Speaker 4: a cash world. No one's asking questions now that you

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Speaker 4: can never do that now, that's impossible.

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Speaker 2: You can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't live like that now.

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Speaker 4: And you can't get away with the stuff that we

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Speaker 4: got away with.

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Speaker 1: Now it would be impossible.

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Speaker 2: I asked Chicago Tribune reporter Jeff Cohen to weigh in

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Speaker 2: on this general period in the outfit.

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Speaker 10: To Chicago in the seventies and the eighties, you're still

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Speaker 10: dealing with the leftover organization of basically the Compone era.

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Speaker 10: At that time, it was still very kind of a

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Speaker 10: top down organization. You still had major bosses, You had

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Speaker 10: the Tonyocardo characters who were running the outfit. And it

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Speaker 10: was that leftover organization, the organization that came out of

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Speaker 10: prohibition and was able to gain a foothold in Chicago

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Speaker 10: by having tentacles that went into government and went into

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Speaker 10: to sort of operate with impunity, and they weren't afraid

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Speaker 10: really need to be fearful of that, and so that

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Speaker 10: let them expand into basically almost all manner of life

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Speaker 10: in Chicago. There were certain neighborhoods where you couldn't even

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Speaker 10: open up a hot dog stand without getting some kind

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Speaker 10: So you had money moving through the city at all

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Speaker 2: As the years dragged on, the image of the plane

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Speaker 2: crash still haunted him, and he found himself no longer

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Speaker 2: able to suppress the urge to move on from the outfit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the reason I was the reason I remember that

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Speaker 4: plane crash so much is because that's when I decided

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Speaker 4: I wanted to be a paramedic firefighter. You know, I

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Speaker 4: figured that's my career. Now, I'm going to do this

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Speaker 4: because I don't want to do what I'm doing. Everybody

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Speaker 4: that worked in that business, that was their career and

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Speaker 4: their minds, that's what they were going to do forever.

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Speaker 4: I knew that that's just that's just not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's just it can't happen.

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Speaker 2: Ken had made up his mind and put a plan

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Speaker 2: in place to eventually leave the outfit. With his current

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Speaker 2: responsibilities taking up most of his time, he knew it

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Speaker 2: would take years to finish all the classes required to

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Speaker 2: get his paramedic license before he could even begin to

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Speaker 2: look for a job, but none of that would even

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Speaker 2: the maid guy, who first saw potential in a young

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Speaker 4: I was young, I still had a chance to get out,

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Speaker 4: and he's kind of liked me, and he knew that

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Speaker 4: would not be a look life for me, so he

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Speaker 4: kind of encouraged me on the side to just you know,

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Speaker 1: But so he was like a mentor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like a fucking fu mentor.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I mean he was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean I looked at him like a dad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I asked Jeff if he's ever heard of anything happened

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Speaker 10: I have a couple of friends who, as you know,

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Speaker 10: everybody in Chicago kind of knows somebody who knows somebody

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Speaker 10: kind of thing where there were these two sons and

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Speaker 10: and they would skim it and take money out.

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Speaker 2: Of the ballpark and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 10: So they allow some of that to happen for the

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Speaker 10: somebody who has value who's going someplace, they allow them

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Speaker 2: So, with the green light from Mickey Ken hit the books, I.

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Speaker 4: Start studying to be an EMPT paramedic. All right, I

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Speaker 4: get my EMT. I could take the fire department test anyway. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: So I go through that trade. I am working in

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Speaker 4: the outfit, and I'm studying to be an EMPT because

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Speaker 4: I want to get out of a fire department. I want

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Speaker 2: But he was still years away from passing any tests,

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Speaker 2: and I still had a job to do managing the club,

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Speaker 2: and that responsibility came before all else.

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Speaker 4: So I remember working the front door of the whorehouses

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Speaker 4: and studying my EMT bush. While I was working the

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Speaker 4: thought I was nuts. You know, what the fuck you

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Speaker 4: want to do that for? Let's go out and party,

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Speaker 4: you know, I just told them, listen, I got.

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Speaker 1: More important shit to do.

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Speaker 4: Okay, more important to me, so and I think they

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Speaker 4: respected that. So I think they impressed the bosses too,

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Speaker 4: you know, because I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't doing what everybody was doing. I was trying

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Speaker 1: to move on.

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Speaker 2: Part of that responsibility included hiring new girls, and one

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Speaker 2: new girl in particular, lit a fire and Ken that

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Speaker 2: almost cost him everything. Over the years, while Ken was

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Speaker 2: working the club, he had seen hundreds of girls come

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Speaker 2: in and out of the business. Some lasted longer than others,

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Speaker 2: but many of them would be there one day and

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Speaker 2: gone the next. It seemed to be the nature of

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Speaker 2: the trade. But every now and then a girl would

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Speaker 2: show up that seemed different than the rest, somehow out

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Speaker 2: of place in this cruel, dark world they occupied. One

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Speaker 2: of those girls was named Honey.

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Speaker 1: Honey. Honey was my girl, you guys, Honey was the

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Speaker 4: Just one of those people you could sit on and

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Speaker 4: She was just one of those people who I felt really,

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Speaker 4: I feel like, I'll be honest with you, I think

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Speaker 1: She wore red lipstick drove me insane. Red lipstick drives

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Speaker 4: And she had those sparkling, beautiful eyes, so you could

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Speaker 2: Ken knew he would need to tread carefully with Honey,

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Speaker 4: She would and I would come to work, you know,

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Speaker 2: But Honey wasn't the only woman in Ken's life.

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Speaker 4: I was seeing Honey when I was dating your mother, Kyle.

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Speaker 1: We weren't married. We were dating, and we.

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Speaker 2: I asked my mom what she remembers about these years if.

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Speaker 11: We got married when we were engaged at nineteen and twenty,

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Speaker 2: The simple fact is Holly was a civilian, an innocent,

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Speaker 1: She was one of a kind.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I met anybody ever like her, even

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Speaker 1: I loved your mother.

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Speaker 4: I still love your mom, but it was just it

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Speaker 1: She was a horror I was running a whororhouse. You know.

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Speaker 4: I think I think we had that little thing in common.

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Speaker 4: like a companion. We both escaped together, us together. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was her escape and she was my escape, absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And there was certainly a lot to escape from during

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Speaker 2: this period in the Outfit. The growing popularity of cocaine

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Speaker 2: which led to intense warring among rival organizations with origins

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Speaker 2: from all over the world competing for the same Chicago turf.

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Speaker 2: There were gun battles in the streets, an attempted takeovers

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Speaker 1: There was a couple of attempts to take over the clubs.

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Speaker 4: it was a fucking gun battle that broke out. I

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Speaker 4: mean I remember, I remember yanking my peace and coming

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Speaker 1: Unloading, just unloading on the mouth.

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Speaker 4: The guy that was talking doing all thought. I just

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Speaker 4: loaded up, and I don't think the guys were expecting that.

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Speaker 4: So they pulled their pieces, but they left, They turned

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Speaker 1: They didn't stay.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know why they could have had me

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Speaker 4: We had to get them out of there. So some

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Speaker 4: don't know why clear plasts, but he was clear plastic

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Speaker 4: for him, cleaned up the mess and took him where

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Speaker 4: they took him, put some buried them some foundation somewhere

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Speaker 4: because we had construction companies.

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Speaker 1: We would pay to.

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Speaker 4: Put our bodies into foundations that they were working on

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Speaker 4: nothing no no residential stuff, but all commercial stuff.

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Speaker 1: And they were on the payroll and they got paid.

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Speaker 4: You know, it'd be a it'd be a midnight poor

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Speaker 1: They'd be pooring a concree we at two o'clock in

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean everything was pre arrange, you guys.

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Speaker 4: Guy's got to realize it's a business man. It's a

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Speaker 4: business And a lot of people had their fingers in

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Speaker 4: the pie, all right, so called legit people and so

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 4: Everybody had their fingers in the pie. Everybody was getting

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Speaker 4: a piece, all right. And that's what kept the piece,

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Speaker 4: because everybody was getting a piece.

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Speaker 12: Sixty seven year old Roy Williams, head of the powerful

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Speaker 12: Teamsters union, guilty on all counts. Fifty nine year old

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Speaker 12: Allan Dorfman of suburban Deerfield, guilty on all counts. Dortmund

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Speaker 12: three year old Joseph Joey that Clowned Lombardo Lombardo of Chicago,

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Speaker 12: guilty on all counts. Lombardo has been identified by federal

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Speaker 12: investigators as a high ranking member of the Chicago crime syndicate. Lombardo,

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Speaker 12: who had never been convicted.

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Speaker 2: Of him The nineteen eighties was a tumultuous time for

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Speaker 2: organized crime in America. The FBI had ramped up efforts

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Speaker 2: to fight corruption and the mafia stranglehold on local governments,

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Speaker 12: Forty five year old Thomas O'Malley, a former Chicago policeman,

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Speaker 12: guilty on all counts. Messa and the other four defendants

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Speaker 12: face up to fifty five years in prison.

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Speaker 2: Unprecedented cooperation across major federal agencies led to many high

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Speaker 2: profile prosecutions of mafia bosses, corrupt government officials, and crooket

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Speaker 13: The message from this jury is quite clear and that

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Speaker 13: at least in this district, but that conduct charged in

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Speaker 13: the indictment, when proven by the government, will not be tolerated.

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Speaker 2: On top of all this, the turf wars were still raging.

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Speaker 4: There was up evil in the outfit at that time.

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Speaker 4: The clubs were being taken over by different factions. Drugs,

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of up evil at that particular time.

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Speaker 2: All this chaos was taking its toll on the power

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Speaker 14: The Chicago Outfit had, especially in the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 14: still almost like a corporate type of structure, where you

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Speaker 14: And then underneath them you would have people at the

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Speaker 10: You would direct you know, groups of six, seven, eight

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Speaker 10: So you had this kind of corporate hierarchical structure, pyramid

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Speaker 10: that kind of chops the head off the snake. The

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Speaker 2: People at all levels of the outfit and or panicking.

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Speaker 2: Some turned government informant and entered witness protection. Other staged

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Speaker 10: The whole way that the outfit operated, which was to

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Speaker 10: They're sort of traditional struct sure just kind of became

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Speaker 10: it just kind of it crumbled into looser groups.

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Speaker 2: They were turning on each other and fear and bodies

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Speaker 2: were dropping. Nobody knew what would happen next, and nobody

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Speaker 4: Eventually, Paul started taking a leg in the honey and

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Speaker 4: there wasn't a whole hell of what I can do, man,

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Speaker 4: But you know, she was a pro, so she.

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Speaker 1: Did what she was supposed to do.

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Speaker 4: He was hitting on her, physically abusing her, and you know,

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Speaker 4: we talked about it, but there was nothing I can do,

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Speaker 4: and there was nothing she could do.

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Speaker 1: He was you know, he's a.

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Speaker 4: Made guy, he's a boss, but he was out of

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Speaker 4: line doing that. You're not supposed to do that in

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Speaker 4: our business. You're not supposed to do stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: So he was fucking up. Made guy or not, he

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Speaker 4: was fucking up man. And eventually it was going to

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Speaker 2: But the abuse continued, and Kenny Helpless could only watch

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Speaker 4: Then one day Honey disappeared. He disappeared off the map.

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Speaker 4: She was there one day and gone the next. And

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Speaker 4: I fucking knew that fucking fat, greaseball bastard I had

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Speaker 4: something to do with it. I didn't give a fuck

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Speaker 2: Ken could never prove what actually happened to Honey. In

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Speaker 2: the same way it's possible that Pollie was involved in

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Speaker 2: there somewhere. I have no way of knowing the time.

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Speaker 2: Ken had his suspicions, and he made his choice, and

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Speaker 2: he would deal with the consequences if they came.

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Speaker 4: I have some heat on me for a while for

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Speaker 4: nothing ever happened with that. Nothing ever happened with that.

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Speaker 4: They weren't worried about me at that time. There was

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Speaker 4: a lot of changes going on, so I was able

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Speaker 4: to back door out.

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Speaker 1: And I knew that, so I backdoored out of that shift.

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Speaker 1: Perfect timing for me.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was because of all the turmoil taking place

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Speaker 2: at that time, or maybe Kenny just got lucky. Either way,

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Speaker 2: it seemed he had dodged a bullet. So he continued

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Speaker 2: his studies and looked forward to the day he could

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Speaker 2: leave this hell behind.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to her. I miss her,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: She was quite a girl, man, and now a new

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Speaker 2: problem had just walked in the front door and put

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Speaker 2: a gun to Kenny's head.

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Speaker 5: I'll split your fucking head open again because I'm fucking stupid.

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Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about jail. That's my business,

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Speaker 2: that's what I do.

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Speaker 1: Tony Splatchro came in and I recognized him. I know

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Speaker 1: who he was.

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Speaker 4: In the movie Casino, Joe Pesci played him just so

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Speaker 4: he got an idea what.

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Speaker 1: A guy is.

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Speaker 2: Tony the ant Spilatro was a feared enforcer who rose

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Speaker 2: to great power within the outfit.

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Speaker 4: I never talked to him before, and I never introduced

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Speaker 4: to him before, but I know who he was.

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Speaker 1: He was a legend. Basically an asshole, but a legend.

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Speaker 2: In the seventies, he was sent to Las Vegas to

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Speaker 2: head up the organization's ambitions in the growing casino industry.

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Speaker 7: I don't know whether you notice or not, but you

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Speaker 7: only have your fucking casino because I made that possible.

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Speaker 2: He was famous for a short stature and even shorter temper.

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Speaker 4: Little guy. I don't know why he was such a beast.

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Speaker 4: He was little, Oh grease ball.

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Speaker 9: Wait the fuck you get off talking to people about

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Speaker 9: me behind my deck, going over my head your fucking warrant.

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Speaker 4: Don't ever go over my fucking head again.

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Speaker 2: You mona fuck are you? He was violent and unpredictable,

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Speaker 2: but ultimately successful in racking up huge earnings for the outfit.

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Speaker 2: He was greedy and ambitious. He ran a gang of

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Speaker 2: thieves who would break into hotel rooms, wealthy estates, and

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Speaker 2: jewelry stores. Murder rates in Vegas had spiked to unprecedented

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Speaker 2: levels since his arrival.

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Speaker 12: Man by the name of Tony Spilatro has attracted the

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Speaker 12: attention of law enforcement officials, some of whom thinks Palleatro

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Speaker 12: is the most cunning and dangerous member of the crime syndicate.

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Speaker 2: By the end of the nineteen seventies, Spilatro would become

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Speaker 2: a loose cannon and his illegal antics were becoming public

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Speaker 2: knowledge and attracting heat from local and federal law enforcement.

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Speaker 15: Spilatro would eventually be linked to as many as twenty

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Speaker 15: five mob related killings witnesses died.

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Speaker 2: In December of nineteen seventy nine, the Nevada Gaming Commission

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Speaker 2: officially blacklisted Spilatro, which legally barred him from entering any

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Speaker 2: of the state's casinos, the very ones it was his

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Speaker 2: job to oversee. He would spend the next several years

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Speaker 2: going back and forth from Vegas to Chicago, wreaking havoc

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Speaker 2: and asserting his dominance wherever he could.

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Speaker 4: So he came in and wanted to take over the clubs.

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Speaker 4: He was going to take over the clubs. He stuck

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Speaker 4: a gun right in my fucking head. He says, I'm

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Speaker 4: taking over these clubs, and I says, okay, these are

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Speaker 4: your clubs, because I was gonna have I was just

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Speaker 4: gonna end up working for him anyway.

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Speaker 1: I didn't care who random clubs.

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Speaker 4: Just let me finish my job so I can finish school,

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Speaker 4: get a job, and I don't care who.

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Speaker 1: I work for at that point.

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Speaker 2: But Ken never saw Tony again, and he never did

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Speaker 2: end up taking over the club, but his reign of

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Speaker 2: terror continued. In nineteen eighty three, around the time he

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Speaker 2: stuck a gun to Ken's forehead, he was tried for

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Speaker 2: the brutal murder of two Chicago gang members.

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Speaker 15: He was acquitted. There were at least fifteen other arrests,

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Speaker 15: not a single conviction. Law enforcement officials had yet to

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Speaker 15: beat Spilatro in court. A longtime Chicago mob observer reported.

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Speaker 12: Some predict Tony will take a big fall someday, but

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Speaker 12: it hasn't happened yet. So far, Spilettro has lived a

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Speaker 12: charmed life.

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Speaker 2: But that charmed good luck was soon coming to an end.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty six, the outfit had had enough of

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Speaker 2: Tony the ant Spilatro and his crew, and orchestrated a

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Speaker 2: mass hit of nearly a dozen mobsters, including Tony and

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Speaker 2: his brother Michael, a hit made even more famous by

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Speaker 2: its brutal depiction in the movie Casino.

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Speaker 4: He Found him and his brother The found him in Indiana,

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Speaker 4: all baseball batted up, buried in a shallow grave in Indiana.

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Speaker 16: With dozens of crime figures from Chicago, New York and

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Speaker 16: other cities recently convicted or indicted, there may be a

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Speaker 16: shortage of mob men available who could run Las Vegas's

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Speaker 16: rackets as profitably and as efficiently as federal authorities believe

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Speaker 16: Spilatro did.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't asked for better timing to get out of

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Speaker 4: the outfit than what happened there, with all the chaos

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Speaker 4: that was going on.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was already in for eight nine years.

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Speaker 4: By then, so I knew that was my cue, and

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Speaker 4: I took it, and I was gone.

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Speaker 1: I was gone.

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Speaker 2: Next week on crow County.

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Speaker 4: Just when I think I'm getting away from the shit,

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Speaker 4: I'm covering up thirty fucking cops who are out there

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Speaker 4: murdering fucking people and a million fucking years that I

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Speaker 4: ever think that's gonna happen. I mean, I mean, who

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Speaker 4: even thinks of shit like that?

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Speaker 2: Main title song is called Crush by the band Starry Eyes.

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