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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dalks.

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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's the twelfth of the month. Cashier checks and

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Speaker 3: get up everyone. Hi, It's a Wednesday edition of the

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Speaker 3: some kind of combat sports show. It's some kind of

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Speaker 3: combat sports show's hosted by two guys who are in

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Speaker 3: their forties who are washed as shit, but we do

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Speaker 3: like watching fights.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you'll join us to talk about it. My name

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Speaker 1: is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 3: I joined you from the capital of the Statles Nidos

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Speaker 3: right here in Washington, DC, joined by my friend and compatriot.

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Speaker 3: He was mowing lawns yesterday, and no, that's not a

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Speaker 3: euphemism for anything else. He was actually mowing lawns. It's

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Speaker 3: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Hi. Brian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, does that mean he was hanging out

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Speaker 2: with coach Craig. No, not necessarily, Luke, I was, Hey,

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Speaker 2: my wife gifted me a new riding mower mine mine

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Speaker 2: broke last year, Luke, and I just assumed i'd I'd

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Speaker 2: use the push mower until it died too. Because I'm

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Speaker 2: a cheap bastard. But a new rider arrived, Luke, and

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Speaker 2: I took it for a spin yesterday and got a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, if you're like people think day off when

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Speaker 3: you're in your forties means like laying around. I guess

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Speaker 3: for some people it does, but not if you're married.

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Speaker 3: Not if you're married to a normal woman. A normal

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Speaker 3: woman simply will not tolerate this tom foolery.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go do shit.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, she has to tolerate my lack of you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, whatever, we'll figure it out, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. She doesn't really tolerate that too often, Luke.

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Speaker 2: But that's the day to day life of a wife

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Speaker 1: Note real quick please?

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Speaker 2: Apparently I'm a big racist now, so I did want to.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to address that quickly. And it's not

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Speaker 2: from the typical reaction we would get to saying anything.

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Speaker 2: It was from you know, trusted listeners that I've spoken

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Speaker 2: You know I brought an opinion of a lot of

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Speaker 2: that was that was communicated to the public as me

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Speaker 2: Apologies if that came off wrong, Luke. I think it's

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Speaker 2: stand by that, Luke. Anything else people are putting words

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Speaker 3: I appreciate your candor. I mean, I would just say

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Speaker 3: But I'm glad he did. But BC, I would say

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Speaker 1: While you are a peasant, you do have a heart

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Speaker 1: I know, deep down, it's just not what you're trying.

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Speaker 3: You don't live your life that way in any capacity

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Speaker 1: A fucking idiot. You're a fucking idiot, and that's what happens.

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Speaker 2: Well, I play one on TV, Luke. You can argue

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Speaker 2: Way I was raised. Thank you very much, Love you

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Speaker 2: all you people. We can have disagreeing beliefs. By the way, though,

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, there he goes.

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Speaker 3: BC's got it all going on right there, And Mikey

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Speaker 3: Combat is everywhere. By the way, I've noticed a little

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Speaker 3: The South African MMA fan base, by the way, ravaged

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Speaker 3: me and ravaged both of us for our DDP pre

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Speaker 1: But we had it coming. We had it coming. We

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we deserve that. Look across the board, there's no

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, all right, with that in mind, let's

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Speaker 4: BC.

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Speaker 1: What else? Oh wait, we have to do the bonus

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Speaker 3: By the way, Topic number one BC, I did a

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Speaker 3: It's not clear if it's going to be exhibition with

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Speaker 1: The floor is yours, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: you never know, Luke, right fur God's a live body.

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Speaker 3: to say, dude, this fight fucking sucks. I don't care this.

434
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to see MMA fighter's box. I would

435
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 3: rather see him fight Jones, why am I supposed to

436
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,399
Speaker 3: care about this? Which one is the right perspective?

437
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,920
Speaker 2: Well? I mean, look, to be fair, you're paying customer.

438
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 2: You can have any feeling you want, or maybe you

439
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,639
Speaker 2: can choose not to pay, and that's the decision and

440
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 2: feeling you made. What should they respond to? Look, again,

441
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 2: there's enough elements of this fight not being as cool

442
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 2: or big as it could have been with certain stipulations

443
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,600
Speaker 2: that it warrants criticism. But if you're going to criticize

444
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 2: it from an MMA standpoint only because maybe you're super

445
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 2: pro UFC and think Francis, you know, jumbled the bag

446
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,320
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, or maybe you're like, well I

447
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 2: would have liked him in the cage this year. He

448
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna fight in the cage this year anyway, because

449
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 2: a big part of Francis crawling through the Shawshank shit

450
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,239
Speaker 2: tunnels to get through that gone fight and get out

451
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 2: of his deal was to do exactly this, call his

452
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,879
Speaker 2: own shots. So that's why it's really hard to echo

453
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,159
Speaker 2: anything else related to Francis the person as this is

454
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 2: a big win. He wasn't going to be in the

455
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 2: PFL Heavyweight tournament if he didn't get the Francis fight.

456
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 2: He wasn't necessarily, although maybe they could have come back

457
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 2: to close the year on PFL pay per view in

458
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: the championship won and fight somebody else just for fun,

459
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 2: you know, probably not. He needed to get this out

460
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 2: of his system. I'm happier for Francis that it's Fury

461
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 2: rather than like Derek Tesora again, which wouldn't have meant

462
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,120
Speaker 2: a lot. But Luca's like this, and I'm sure this

463
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: this setup. They don't hate this idea, but like, do

464
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 2: you feel like the title's not on the line because

465
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 2: Fury said it didn't want it to, so in that regard,

466
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,399
Speaker 2: if Francis did the impossible, he then have to do

467
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,719
Speaker 2: it twice, right, It's just it's weird in that regard.

468
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: But to close your question, yeah, I mean, i'mmer fans

469
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: can feel what they want, but Luke Francis wasn't gonna

470
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,479
Speaker 2: fight anyway, so this is just sort of let's let

471
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 2: him have his moment. You can tune in and watch

472
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: if you care and buy the pay per view, and

473
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: if not, you have more than you know, enough rights

474
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: to not do it in that direction. But man, I'm

475
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 2: trying to get past the title or the gloves, Luke,

476
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: and I can't. This just feels like the reason why

477
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 2: I can't is because if there was no other fight

478
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: on the horizon, you can pay Texion Fury do whatever

479
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 2: the hell you want. I guess I can't get over

480
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: the fact that he is ducking Alexander Usak straight up.

481
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: And I love Fury the fighter so much that I

482
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: hate that I have to keep coming out here on

483
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 2: the microphone and reminding us that this is why we're here.

484
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: It makes no sense except for this, Luke. I've heard

485
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: some people say this, What does Tyson Fury say in

486
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 2: interviews when he is speaking the truth is the toughest

487
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 2: fight of his career? Do you know what answer he

488
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 2: gives every time, Luke?

489
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: Basically he was saying, speedy dudes who are smaller, right, something.

490
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 2: Like that He's saying. Steve Cunningham, the former cruiserweight champion,

491
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 2: moved up the heavyweight Frans Fury fought him at what

492
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: was Fury's US debut. It was at the theater at

493
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden. I believe twenty's fourteen or fourteen. Dude,

494
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: he got dropped it like shook the whole arena. He

495
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: got dropped by a non puncher who was a cruiserweight

496
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: moving up in waight and basically what he said, and

497
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: Francis went on to knock Cunning him out a few

498
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: rounds later, even though he leaned in with a forearm

499
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: strike to set up the knockout punch. But what he

500
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 2: said was because of the quickness, the good boxing ability

501
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: of Steve Cunning him, and the fact that Steve put

502
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 2: that together to land that big punch, that was the

503
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: hardest fight for Tyson. Uhsi's not only that, Luke, but

504
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: he's also a soft paw and much better. So if

505
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: that's the reasoning why he's avoiding this, considering his power position,

506
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: this do this does bring a stain over this fight

507
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: as hard as a boxing fan to get past that.

508
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: You brought up MMA fans, though, Luke. I think their

509
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 2: reaction is going to come down to where they where

510
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 2: they align themselves in the Francis versus day in a war,

511
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: you know whatever that still means.

512
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: I would like to say this. I think your point

513
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: is well taken.

514
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 3: This is a bitter pill for boxing fans, and it's

515
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: really hard to look past that because of the reasons

516
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 3: that you state. But there's some other things, like I

517
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: see people on Twitter being because you know, I think

518
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: there are a few of us who are like kind

519
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: of happy for Francis.

520
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: On a personal level. I mean this, I don't know

521
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: him personally.

522
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 3: I think I've interviewed him like one or two times,

523
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: But on a personal level, sure, I am happy for

524
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 3: his success. This is a guy, independent of what you

525
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: want to say about his battles of UFC. God was

526
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 3: working in sand mines at age ten. I mean, you know,

527
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: for it to go from that to where he is today,

528
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: how could you have anything but happiness for him given

529
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: those circumstances. That's the i'd say, but it really is.

530
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: Folks have asked, hey, as an MMA fan, do I

531
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 3: have to like this fight? And the answer is, of course.

532
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: You do not. You do not.

533
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 3: I do not expect anyone to like this now for

534
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 3: reasons I've said. It's not the same as Kamaru being

535
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: in the UFC with the contenders around him and wanting

536
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: to fight Canelo, and especially under the UFC preventing that

537
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: like that, that was just seemed like a big waste of time.

538
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: But you know, this may be a big waste of

539
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: time depending on your perspective whether or not Francis is

540
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: in the UFC. I would also add, on top of

541
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: that these guys are being paid, according to the reporting

542
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: of Kareem Zadan, that they're basically being paid as essentially,

543
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: you know, de facto ambassadors of the Saudi Tourism Board.

544
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: This is sports washing. You know, when we call out

545
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: other people for sports washing.

546
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: We can't not discuss it when discussing fighters that we like,

547
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 3: who I think have sympathetic cases. I do like Francis

548
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 3: as a person. I think this is a sympathetic case.

549
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: I understand why he's taking the money, but we should

550
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 3: be honest about where that money is coming from, and

551
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: we should say it out loud.

552
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: Here we are.

553
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: Doing that, but rather I don't expect anyone to like

554
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 3: the fight.

555
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: What I do expect.

556
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 3: Though, is finally some acknowledgment about what is happening here

557
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: in the larger fighter economy and the way in which

558
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 3: it works. If we didn't get so much resistance from

559
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 3: the media to the larger wider public about the state

560
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: of fighter pay and why it is the way that

561
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 3: it is, I'd be less concerned about this. But it

562
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: is impossible for MEBC to be sitting downstream from all

563
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: of these things and then complain about what's at the

564
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: end of the stream versus what is causing it at

565
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: the very top.

566
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: That is my issue.

567
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: It's okay to not like the fight, like what you like.

568
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: Life is short and it is a kind of a

569
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: silly ass fight. However, don't resist conversations about why fighters

570
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: keep fucking doing this. Dude, It is insane when you

571
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: think about ABC. The thing that an MMA fighter can

572
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: do to get the richest they can through fighting is

573
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: to confuse the public into thinking they have a chance

574
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: against a boxer.

575
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: It's selling their body. It's like selling not selling their

576
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 2: soul necessarily, but it's like they're selling their They have

577
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: very little chance to win, right, and they're they're selling

578
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: that to make career changing money. And look, just I

579
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: want to put it back to you, but if you're

580
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: against Francis in general and the Francis versus Dana debate,

581
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: to me, underneath it all separate from will I'm a

582
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: UFC loyalist, It just means that you don't actually want

583
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: a future where fights where fighters have real rights, where

584
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: fighters have real flexibility, where fighters have real options. You

585
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: want them stuck under draconian contracts so they can keep

586
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: filling out your Saturday nights against one another for low pay.

587
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: That's what it means to me. For anybody who's who's

588
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: upset at Francis for this.

589
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

590
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: I just want some recognition about what is happening here,

591
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: rather than us constantly having to talk to the public,

592
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: you know, and then be like, well.

593
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: Why is what you know?

594
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: At some point, I mean, here's another thing to consider.

595
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: You see, how about this. What if this fight we

596
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: expect to do really well? Right, we don't know what

597
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: that is, but we expected to do really well.

598
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: Now, I don't think it's gonna do May Mac well,

599
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's even gonna come close. But let's

600
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: say I'm wrong.

601
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: What if this thing does like three million pay per

602
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: view buys if nothing changes I know, I know, I

603
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: understand that.

604
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: But if nothing changes in the way in which MMA

605
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: fighters are paid, they're gonna keep trying to do this.

606
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: This is what I'm sort of pointing out.

607
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they will well. But by the way, if

608
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: it does well, I want you to answer this question

609
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: in three scenarios. I want you to take this fight

610
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: under three lens is one the way it's being presented now,

611
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: even though we don't really have full clarification on that,

612
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: which is interesting that everbody would announce this and not

613
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: clarify that. Two. This is a four ounce glove fight

614
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: in an MMA cage, in the damn smart cage. We'll

615
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: Three it's a boxing It's a boxing match with the

616
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: heavyweight title at stake. So three scenarios here, Luke, the

617
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: one we have now, the MMA four ounce glove boxing one,

618
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 2: and the real heavyweight championship boxing match. How different do

619
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: you think the per view buys are across all three scenarios?

620
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a great question, because if you.

621
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Want to get to that three million thing you threw

622
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: out there as hey, what if it overachieved like miraculously,

623
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: it's only anna overachieve miraculously. If the heavyweight championship is

624
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: at stake, sure.

625
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: Falls, Probably true.

626
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: Probably true unless they have some crazy press tour and

627
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: God only knows what happens and blah blah blah.

628
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: Like there's a couple different ways where they could drum

629
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: up some interest.

630
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I would say okay, So so personally speaking,

631
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: I don't know about the MMA cage part. But I

632
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: always thought four ounce has made more sense than having

633
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: a boxing fight. I mean, this is sort of the

634
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: funny part about it.

635
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: BC.

636
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: On some you have to serve a lot of different

637
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: masters when you make a crossover fight like this and

638
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: like what it should look like on TV?

639
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: Who are you? Who is this for?

640
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 3: What are they expecting? Because it's basically a scam, right,

641
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 3: I mean they're scamming the public into thinking Francis has

642
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: a great chance and of course you could win. You

643
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: could win, especially so you know, we've been wrong about

644
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 3: bout other fighters very recently. But you get the the

645
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: chances are low, but they have to kind of sell

646
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: it in a way where it's still got the ordinariness

647
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: of boxing, but you have now elevated this guy's chances

648
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: in a way that is unrealistic. That probably is what's

649
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: best for pay per view Personally speaking, BC, I was

650
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: never one of these guys who's like, oh, four ounces,

651
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to watch it because they have four

652
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: ounce gloves. I don't want to watch it.

653
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 1: More. To me, that makes it way more competitive.

654
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: Even if there's no takedowns or kicks or anything like that.

655
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: Just the four ounce gloves to me, makes it vastly

656
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: more competitive. I would love to see something like that.

657
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: So I think that's probably where they came down on this.

658
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: I think the scenario it's cooked up to right now,

659
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: the realistic ceiling is tell me if I'm wrong. In

660
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: a streaming era eight to nine hundred thousand, which is

661
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: not nothing, it's more than the Wilder fights for Fury, Right,

662
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: it's not nothing, but I don't think it is what

663
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: it could have been. But you know what, Luke, it's

664
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia. We're all assuming there is a shit

665
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: ton of money fueled in guaranteed it doesn't Yeah, and

666
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter in that regard, Mikey says, casuals

667
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: will buy it. He's right. I want to I want

668
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: you to address this one question for Mikey, our great

669
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: producer at CBS Sports. He says, looking back, did you

670
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: think Mayweather had a better chance versus Floyd coming in?

671
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: Then you would give Francis to upset Fury.

672
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: You mean McGregor.

673
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: Did I think McGregor had a better chance versus Floyd

674
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: coming in? Then we would give Francis to upset Fury.

675
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think either of them have a shot.

676
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: Let me think that through for just a second.

677
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: Well, don't think it through.

678
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: It's easy.

679
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: Francis has a much bigger shot because he does have

680
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Even though Connor was noted as a you know, one

681
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: punch threat in the MMA sense, Francis has like life

682
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: shattering pet power.

683
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but all I wonder what that's going to look

684
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: like after a few rounds when his hands are heavy. Sure,

685
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: And this is why the four ounce gloves to me

686
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: is so different, because again, if you've never ever put

687
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: on boxing gloves and they've done it for like several rounds,

688
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: they can get depending what you have, they can get heavier. Obviously,

689
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: your muscles fatigue just holding them up because a very

690
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: if you've never done it, try holding boxing gloves up

691
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: and you don't even have to punch for three three

692
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: minute rounds. Your shoulders, if you've never done it, are

693
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: gonna be on fire. They're gonna be on.

694
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: Okay, But he sparred with full boxing gloves before Luke is.

695
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: That's not gonna be an issue for Francis here.

696
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: You want to bet, I bet you if it goes ten,

697
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: his hands are like way down by his waist. I

698
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: don't believe that at all. It's actually much harder than

699
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 3: it looks. I'm not saying that's why it's gonna liver

700
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: die on. I'm just pointing out the four ounces to

701
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: me in terms of handspeed, we like, you know, you like.

702
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: For me, it was a wake.

703
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: Up call when Connor's power didn't transfer. I was like, oh,

704
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: I was actually kind of surprised by that. I thought

705
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be as good, but it wasn't nearly as good.

706
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: Right. It was like I was like, WHOA, Francis is

707
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: obviously gonna be able to thump in the.

708
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: Big gloves, but you just know he can thump in

709
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: the little ones, Like there's no doubt about it at all.

710
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: All he has to do is touch you a little

711
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: bit and your ass is like waking up looking at

712
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 3: the lights. To me, that makes it vastly more competitive

713
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: and exciting, you know.

714
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you mentioned, fury has been dropped a few times.

715
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: We have seen that, right, Wild dropped it against while

716
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: there are a few times. Look, I want to spend

717
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: the question there in the topic this direction, in this way.

718
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: Now.

719
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: When this fight was just rumored to be announced soon

720
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: last Friday, when Ariel tweeted it. Suddenly the UFC announced

721
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: Steepe versus Jones. Whether that's related or not, I think

722
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: we all assume greatly related. When this got announced yesterday,

723
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: we didn't get Dana coming out with the special edition

724
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: surprise breaking news. We did get Michael Chandler tweeting a

725
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: Christmas tree emoji, which does lead you to believe he's

726
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: teasing the idea that he may or may not have

727
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: just signed to fight Connor McGregor in December in the

728
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: final pay per view of the year, which is normally

729
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: that second weekend of the month in Las Vegas. Now

730
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: under this ESPN deal, are we to believe that the

731
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: two are connected?

732
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: I'll say this, I mean they didn't have anything ready

733
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: to go, right They even if they wanted to counteract that,

734
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: they didn't. Here's the thing you have to think about, right,

735
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, two things. One, they didn't have

736
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: an announcement ready to go. I saw the tweet from

737
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: Michael Chandler. It was interesting, but hard to know exactly

738
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: what that means. But the bigger question would be this BC, Like,

739
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: if you're the UFC, you have a couple of choices

740
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: to make old UFC. And when I say, oh that,

741
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 3: I don't mean seg Era, I mean, like you know,

742
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight to twenty eleven ish UFC, they

743
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: would want a counter program October twenty eighth. Would Connor

744
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: be ready on October twenty eighth? Also, remember if the

745
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: fighters in Saudi Arabia, it's going to be over before

746
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: any UFC pay per view starts. Would they want to

747
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: put Connor on that day to get MMA fans not

748
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: to buy, knowing that boxing fans, hardcore ones anyway wouldn't.

749
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Want to buy.

750
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: Which in case, if you wanted to do that, of

751
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: course you have to utterly bypass you Sawa, which we'll

752
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: talk about a little bit later. With PFL, it really

753
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: depends on that. I mean, just announcing that they have

754
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: Connor Chandler at a later date would be impressive because

755
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: I thought that they wouldn't be able to get to

756
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: this point. But it wouldn't have much to do with

757
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: October twenty eighth.

758
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask it under this ground. Then this

759
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: fight was announced that it will be on pay per view,

760
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: but the details were curiously not connected to it. Top Rank,

761
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: which is the co promoter of Tyson Fury alongside of

762
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Frank Warren in the UK, and Top Rank being aligned

763
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: with ESPN means that ESPN is the I guess what

764
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: North American home of Tyson Fury in terms of boxing

765
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: television wise, if this ends up being or I guess

766
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: The question is do you think this ends up being

767
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: an ESPN Plus pay per view? It was again the

768
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: press release went out yesterday. It was very cryptically written,

769
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: but Top Rank did put out a press release about

770
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: this yesterday. Does that mean that this pay per view

771
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: ends up on ESPN Plus? And if so, what does

772
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: that change your idea of UFC potentially counter programming? Can

773
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: you do two pay per views in one day on

774
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: the same you know, in the same form, yah platform

775
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: and I'm not the same sport, but you get that

776
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: there's crossover there.

777
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know. That's a great question.

778
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: Dana couldn't love it. I have to believe that Dana's

779
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: got to be on the phone to Disney and be like, hey,

780
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: cool that Fury and Francis are doing this, but not

781
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: on ESPN, brother not on.

782
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: I bet I would bet everything that I own that

783
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: they if that's true, if they are trying to put

784
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: this pay per view on the ESPN plus, which would

785
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: make sense, right because you've already got a lot of

786
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: boxing and MMA fans who already are paying for the service.

787
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: That would probably drive to a UFC in Dana White crazy,

788
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, That would drive them up

789
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: the wall. I would imagine they would be upset about that.

790
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: But if you're an ESPN you stand to make an

791
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: absolute ton of money, you wouldn't want to say no

792
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: to that necessarily either. So that that part, to me,

793
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 3: will be very interesting to see how that plays out.

794
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: That part will be highly unique.

795
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: Do you think the PFL should have tried to align

796
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: themselves in this in some way or could have or that.

797
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: No that could. Remember, his deal is separate. His deal

798
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: with the PFL is for MMA anything else. That's the

799
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: because remember if folks you've never seen a UFC contract,

800
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: In all UFC contracts, it states that they are your

801
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 3: sole promoter. No matter what kind of combat sport you

802
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: want to try, MMA, boxing, kickboxing, even jiu jitsu, they're

803
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: your sole promoter. And if you want to work outside

804
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: of that, you got to get their permission. Francis cut

805
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: that one off before it ever got started. They are

806
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: his MMA promoter. Fair enough, that's it, no more, no less.

807
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: I didn't think that part was really all that relevant.

808
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Mikey brought up an interesting point in the press releases.

809
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: It mentions that Francis has a promotional company. It's all

810
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: in capital letters G, I, M, I K, which I

811
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: guess means gimmick. What's that all about?

812
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, no part, I don't know. See, you

813
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: hate this fight a little bit more than I thought

814
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: you would.

815
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's not the you know, Francis versus

816
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: Dana and me. It's it's a boxing fan of me.

817
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: And look it's not again, it's not that I would

818
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: be jumping through hoops to see an MMA guy get

819
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: a championship fight in his boxing date pro boxing debut.

820
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: That's not necessarily what I'm arguing for. I'm just arguing

821
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: for this to matter more. It's like, if we can't

822
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: get Fury versus U Sick, and Fury keeps pissing me

823
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: off with the fact that we can't get it, then

824
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: at least let this be for the title, make us

825
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: care more. And at least if you're Fury, which I

826
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: know he wouldn't that. Okay, guys, I'm doing this because

827
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: it's here right now. The opportunity is there to do

828
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: this thing that settle this debate that everybody's having. Like

829
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: Danna said, there's a debate on who's the betest man.

830
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: There's no debates, guys, there's no debates. Nobody's out there

831
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: trying to debate who's really the best heavyweight combat sports. Okay,

832
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: it's a money grab, but if you're gonna do it

833
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 2: that way, there are ways to get me more interested.

834
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: Final question here, Luke, you think Daniel Kinahan Daniel Kinahan

835
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: is involved in this.

836
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: Little I hadn't thought about it.

837
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, Fury still can't fight in the States because

838
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: of his allegiances.

839
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, but that could be from That doesn't mean

840
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: that he's currently involved with him.

841
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: We know for a fact he used to be. That

842
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: part is harder to say.

843
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: And the other part too, is it's like, Okay, they're

844
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: in Saudi Arabia, and of course Daniel Kenahan is believed

845
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 3: to be in the middle in the Middle East, and

846
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: so you're like, is he facilitating a deal? But like,

847
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: would you need him to facilitate a deal necessarily?

848
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: Like I know he is, he is fear he's advisor

849
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: in the same way that Al Hayman is the advisor

850
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: to the PBC fighters. So you have to feel like

851
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: he's involved in this.

852
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: You know, maybe there could be.

853
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: Again, it's hard to say with one way definitively or

854
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: the other. But I will say this BC the one

855
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: thing that remember when I was skeptical, They're like, oh,

856
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia is gonna put on this fight plus Deontay

857
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: versus AJ all on the same night, And I was like,

858
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: they might do those fights. They doing them on the

859
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 3: same night. Surely you realize like that that means the

860
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: level of heavy lifting that would require is basically impossible.

861
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

862
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: But still, even though he won't do it, and even

863
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: though you can argue he doesn't have to, damn what.

864
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: I love Tyson Fury to get on the mic and

865
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: be like, hey, fans, I'm getting the bag right now,

866
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: right debate over who's the real heavyweight best in the

867
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: world or not, but I will fight you sick. It

868
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: may not be till December, it may not be till

869
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: next year. We might do it on on on the

870
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: planet Saturn for a stupid amount of money, but I

871
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: will do it. We're not getting that out of him, Luke.

872
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: So that's why I will remain a salty boxing fan.

873
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: Okay, how many times is he gonna call Francis a

874
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: sausage or a dawser? I don't know.

875
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't That's gonna be interesting because Francis is not

876
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: a trash talker, right, Francis is a gentleman, and they

877
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: see I don't know. But look, we do have video

878
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: of Tyson Fury directing a shot back at Alexander Ussik's team,

879
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: who petitioned yesterday to try to get him stripped of

880
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: the WBC title for entertaining this fight. Let's see what

881
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: Francis had to say right.

882
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: Here, Hey guys, a little bit of qualification. There's a

883
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: lot of un known, irrelevant people talking about how I

884
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 4: should be stripped to be about haha, donate the player,

885
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: hate the game. I don't have him on the tree.

886
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: When I do have him on the tree, he'll be

887
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: dealt with, just like every of him on the tray

888
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: ever out And I want to tell them keep on

889
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: hating motherfuckers and enjoy.

890
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 2: A little little, little, little.

891
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: Tiny bit of money that you guys are making while

892
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 4: the big j's and hats.

893
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, look the big G don't care. I obviously said France

894
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: since I met Fury, the big G don't care.

895
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: He's busy, BC.

896
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: I gotta ask you put your hat on. You have

897
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: a clearer sense about purses, particularly purses in Saudi Arabia.

898
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 3: What kind of persones are we in the ballpark talking about?

899
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: For Francis An Fortison Fury here?

900
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: What did Ruiz and aj make?

901
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't remember what Ruiz made, but it was like substantial.

902
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: Anthony Joshua received an eighty five million guarantee to come

903
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: back that, which is, you know, the only thing I've

904
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 2: ever heard more The only thing I've ever heard bigger

905
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: than that was the one hundred million guarantee that Floyd

906
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: got to fight Pacchio because he flashed the check at

907
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: the press conference afterwards, and Floyd says he made upwards

908
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: of three hundred million per that event. Hard to follow

909
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: the receipts, but he may have. Who knows. Luke. With

910
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: that in mind, I do feel like Fury will get

911
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: paid more. Would you agree with that?

912
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Uh?

913
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: He's the cheer.

914
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Here is the A side. Yes, Fury is the A side. Yes?

915
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: Okay, dude, Fury's got to be right around seventy five million.

916
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean, could you see seventy five million for Fury

917
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: fifty for in God or you think it's more?

918
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 5: Uh?

919
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Wait, say that one more time.

920
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: What about this? This is bigger than the aj Ruiz fight.

921
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: But also this fight is bigger than the aj Ruiz fight.

922
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying, what about Fury seventy five million and Gano

923
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: forty to fifty million? How about that?

924
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy.

925
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 3: I was thinking, I'm looking at Ruiz and Joshua too.

926
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 3: It's not clear about Ruiz, but Joshua made at least

927
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: for the rematch, I think, a guarantee of seventy five million.

928
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: In some places that I'm reading, I mean just in

929
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: same money.

930
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: They say he made up. Basically, they say he made Yeah,

931
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: you're right, he made a guarantee of seventy five and

932
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: then they're saying he made an additional ten and other or.

933
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: Something something like that.

934
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: But the point I see the other place is saying

935
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: sixty six million guarantee him up. But the point is

936
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: he made a fucking astronomical amount. I was thinking somewhere

937
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 3: for Francis, somewhere in the thirty maybe forty million range.

938
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: Fifty seems a little high, if I could be honest,

939
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: but I think thirty to forty maybe forty plus ish.

940
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: I think that's definitely in the ball. I mean, he's

941
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: gonna make more, Let's be clear about this. He's gonna

942
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: make more in this one fight that he ever made

943
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: in all of his fights combined in UFC, probably by

944
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: a couple of multiples of that.

945
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: And the reason why I'm offering a guest that's so

946
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 2: high is because, Look, there's a shit ton of money

947
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: over there. There is a larger design the last couple

948
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: of years to call it sports washing if you want,

949
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: a lot of elements of it are sports washing, but

950
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: the idea is to make Saudi Arabia a hub for

951
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: all sports. Look, this is the centerpiece of what they

952
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: call ri Odd Season out there, which is like a

953
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: big multi day celebration to kind of, i don't know,

954
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: to kind of advertise to the world that that place

955
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: may not be what you think it is, come check

956
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: it out. I think this is the type of event that,

957
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: especially considering they have launched their own Saudi Arabia as

958
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: a country has launched their own boxing promotional company. I

959
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: feel like this is sort of like a big kickoff

960
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: type event. Yeah, they're gonna put a lot of money

961
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: into this, a lot. Look at look at what was

962
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: WW making something like fifty five million per event from

963
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: them and they were doing like two to three per year. Yeah,

964
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: they can afford this, looke. They can afford this. There's

965
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: no question.

966
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: No doubt about it. It's an insane amount of money.

967
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: Let's quickly just roll. I just want to play this.

968
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: We don't have to play the whole thing, but we'll

969
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: play some of this. Francis put out an announcement yesterday

970
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: with his own hype video, and I thought it was

971
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: kind of brilliant, to be honest, Like, it doesn't make

972
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: me think he's gonna win for.

973
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: Shit, but I haven't seen it yet. I'm excited here

974
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 2: it is.

975
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: Let's take a look tythan Bury, France and Thana. Do

976
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: you want to see that fight in Ghana does have

977
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: the nuclear option? It really does. One of his knockouts

978
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: is Alista over him was one of most terrifying knockouts

979
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. Tyson, Jerry is the

980
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: best at what he does, and Ghan is the best

981
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: of what he does. They're putting them in a ring.

982
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: I can't see them both being like, can't let's take

983
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: it easy.

984
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 4: I think it's you don't think it's actually from.

985
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: If Francis wins that fight, he is solidisfied as the

986
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: baddest man on the planet.

987
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 4: Fromcis Nagano, I know you're out of contract with the

988
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: UF going around some big boy money come the gypsy.

989
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: Kingly action theory is pretty good and like bouncing.

990
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 5: Year and there, I don't know exactly, and I know

991
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 5: what that fight I'm gonna find out who's the baddest

992
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: motherfucker on the planet.

993
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: Never estimate the man?

994
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: I read.

995
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: Right BC your reaction.

996
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: I mean it was well produced and well put together.

997
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have the right to run

998
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: Don McLean's version there of American Pie at the end

999
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: like we did. But did you find it purposeful that

1000
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: the video opened with Fury singing American Pie to the

1001
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: tune of this will be the Day that I die?

1002
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: Is that Francis? I mean, that's Francis's way of saying,

1003
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: here's what's interesting. They spelled it out in this teaser.

1004
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: They also spelled it out purposefully in every single press

1005
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: release that came out about this, that these two fighters

1006
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: planned to meet in the center of the ring. It's

1007
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: almost like they were like, I know, you guys think

1008
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: this might be some boring sparring session, but no, we've

1009
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: agreed to actually fight. I don't know if that's necessary, Luke,

1010
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1011
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: Well, I will say this, the marketing of lineal Heavyweight

1012
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: Champion versus lineal MMA UFC champion is kind of an

1013
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: interesting one. They've never met before. Of course they're now

1014
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: meeting here. It's not to decide the baddest man of

1015
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: the planet, whatever that is, but that is a unique moment.

1016
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: In time that this is this kind of crossover in

1017
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: that way is happening.

1018
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: And I saw Dan Rayfield tweet Luke just referencing him

1019
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: as one of the more respected names over the last

1020
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: couple decades that he believes that Fury's lineal status, which

1021
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: is already again a mythical title, and some could argue

1022
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: that some have argued that Fury should have lost it

1023
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: when he was retired for nearly four years after the

1024
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: Clitschko fight, but he retained it somehow, that he should

1025
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: lose it for not fight, for not defending the title

1026
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: here and taking this fight. It's interesting, but yeah, that's

1027
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: another way to sell it. The whole idea of the

1028
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: lineal baddest man, the guy who beat the guy. Final

1029
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: question on this, Luke, because again I try to present

1030
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: all sides of an argument. I got a couple dms

1031
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: of people saying, Man, if you and Luke Thomas shit

1032
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: on this fight, y'all a bunch of insert insult here,

1033
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: because if this got announced tomorrow on Showtime pay per view,

1034
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: you guys would be hyping this shit. Op. Luke Thomas,

1035
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: your reaction.

1036
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want to say? It's a

1037
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: stupid fight.

1038
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: It's a stupid fight, like and I'm not getting paid

1039
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: to cover it, Like fine, but like I'm not angry

1040
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: at the fight. I find again, to me, it's a

1041
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 3: little different than the Kamaru Kanelo one for a lot

1042
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 3: of different reasons. Yes, and dude, I mean here's the thing.

1043
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: I will say this, like, let's talk about where we

1044
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: feel positively and negatively about it.

1045
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: We kind of already have.

1046
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: But to remind folks, like on the legitimacy side of it,

1047
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: there's just nothing to this fight, just zero to this fight.

1048
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: On the positive side, though Francis took on the industry folks,

1049
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean, here's just the reality. The UFC is the

1050
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: MMA industry. To the point where we've talked about this before,

1051
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: the other promotions in play don't even make money. They

1052
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: don't even make money, I mean profit. They obviously generate revenue,

1053
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: but they don't make any money. Like not only is

1054
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: that a frightening prospect, and people think, oh, that's just

1055
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: because the UFC is better.

1056
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: No, it's good.

1057
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 3: It's not magic, folks, it's monopoly. It's not magic. I

1058
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: mean they do a good job, yes, no doubt about it.

1059
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: Two ninety was incredible, but they also control the industry.

1060
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: And so if you want to get sideways with them,

1061
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: whether you're media, whether you're a fighter, you are getting

1062
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: sideways with basically the entire industry. And Francis took on

1063
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: that and again we were very clear on this show.

1064
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: BC.

1065
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: We admired his courage and we talked about the potential

1066
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: upsides and he I mean, I gotta say, BC, Francis

1067
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: has made this look way easier than it actually is. Right,

1068
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: getting a huge PFL deal and then a fight with

1069
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: like Tyson Fury, what he has made it look incredible.

1070
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 3: But we were both very clear the risks associated.

1071
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: With this were enormous.

1072
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: It is hard for me as a human being, if

1073
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: I could just be honest with the audience for a moment,

1074
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 3: It is very difficult for me as a human being

1075
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: to look at what Francis has done and not have

1076
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: a profound amount of admiration for his self belief and courage,

1077
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: because I don't think I have courage like that, and

1078
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: I don't think I have self belief like that, and

1079
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: to see someone who does, and to see the risk

1080
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: that they took and for it to work out it

1081
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: is I just would be lying to the audience if

1082
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: I thought that wasn't anything other than admirable.

1083
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: But BC, you're an adult. I'm an adult. We're both idiots,

1084
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: but this were adults. The fight is silly. The fight

1085
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: is stupid. It doesn't mean anything. It could be fun,

1086
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: it could be terrible, we don't know.

1087
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: But on that other side, BC, I'd be lying if

1088
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: I said I didn't have great feelings for frances in

1089
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: that regard.

1090
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, and maybe I was fair in some regards

1091
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: and mentioning the IOLA column earlier and just automatically looping

1092
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: it into like oh, Dana called in and they wrote

1093
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: the column because The general tenor of Kevin Eli's Yahoo

1094
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: piece was just that, look, boxer versus MMA in a

1095
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: boxing ring. We've seen it, it's played out. I don't

1096
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: disagree with that. Mayweather McGregor was the perfect storm of

1097
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: perfect storms when we were against the idea of Usman

1098
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: canelo Is because it was so unnecessary. It was just

1099
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: Usmann trying to ultimately flex the peak of his earning

1100
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 2: power and celebrity. And look, he's not even known as

1101
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: a striker necessarily in the cage. Why would I buy

1102
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: that fight? I do think Francis brings different elements to

1103
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: make this fight still something. It's why I'm not like

1104
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: outright dunking on it and shitting on it, although I

1105
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: am to some degree. And that's because it was Francis's

1106
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: dream to be a boxer from the beginning. That's what

1107
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: fueled his remarkable story to leave Africa, get detained in

1108
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: a European jail, and end up homeless in France, where

1109
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: he fell into a gym and ended up switching to

1110
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: And when you mix that with the ridiculous power, and

1111
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: you mix that with the whole idea of like this

1112
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: is a rare combat sports athlete. One in a million

1113
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: here and look at what he just did business wise

1114
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: to get here. Yes, it does hold it together to

1115
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: make it not a debacle. I think it sells well.

1116
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: And like we started off the show saying, when the

1117
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: night comes, Luke, we'll be watching. So they win, Oh yeah,

1118
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: they do.

1119
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: We'll be there. I mean, I'm not going to Saudi

1120
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: Arabia because I'm trying to come back.

1121
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: But tell me right now, which media members go across

1122
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: all across.

1123
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: The board, anyone who's willing to take a check for it.

1124
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't think people just will go for you

1125
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: don't think their their outlet will pay the way and they'll.

1126
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: Go to go to Saudi Arabia. Uh, some will, some will,

1127
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: some will definitely some will.

1128
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: Like you think like like uh and Helen.

1129
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know their economics of their business.

1130
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: But for example, like VT Sport would pay for their

1131
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: guys to go or whatever, that would make sense.

1132
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: But Mike Bone always ends up at places like that.

1133
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: He'll probably either Luke.

1134
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: I mean he'll take a check from just about anybody.

1135
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: You know that another another whore for a check.

1136
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: Oscar Wallace, come on, that guy will kick any media

1137
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: members ass in the.

1138
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: Case nowadays nowadays?

1139
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: All right, well that in mine we see, uh we

1140
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: go from UFC two ninety to Francis versus Tyson.

1141
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: To wait, are you gonna let Mikey's comment slide right

1142
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: there about Mike?

1143
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: Nice long flight for Mike to have Mike with singers,

1144
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 3: Mike with the singers.

1145
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: All right, all right, very good, Hey, BC, let's talk

1146
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: about the fights this weekend. They're fucking terrible, all right.

1147
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not being serious, but read the status.

1148
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: Look read that stat that everybody's talking about.

1149
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: Please, I believe it's I believe it's the Mikey. What's

1150
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: the stat again? I forgot? I think it's the first

1151
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: eight fighters? Uh yeah, so the first seven excuse me,

1152
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: the first seventeen of the first eighteen fighters on this

1153
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: card are all coming off of a loss.

1154
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: So isn't there like only three fighters on it and

1155
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: two of them were just recently bumped up at the

1156
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 2: last minute, which leads you to believe they did that

1157
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 2: to avoid us reading these type of stats.

1158
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 3: Right, I'm not sure about that part, but that with

1159
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 3: four ranked fighters that he says, four ranked fighters. All right, BC,

1160
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 3: I don't know what you want to say about it. Listen,

1161
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: this is what I mean. Listen, Okay, you let me

1162
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: just say this due because I know we're about to

1163
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 3: kill this card, and I don't want the fans to

1164
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: feel like we don't like or respect a lot of

1165
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: times what the UFC does do UFC two ninety felt

1166
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: Let me just say it one more time before we

1167
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: go in with UFC two ninety felt so fun. I

1168
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: was a kid again that day, and I'm dead inside

1169
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 3: and I was a kid again, you know, like it

1170
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: was just great and we have said it on the

1171
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: show a million times.

1172
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: When the UFC does that, there's just nobody who can

1173
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: touch them. Okay, all right, that's one end of their product.

1174
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: Here is the other end of their product. BC, what

1175
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: would you like to say?

1176
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna echo exactly what you just said

1177
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: right there. We're coming off one of the best pay

1178
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: per view cards in what and like I mean, one

1179
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: of the best all time. Seriously, there was that much magic.

1180
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 2: Everything turned out great. We have to expect a hangover,

1181
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: but even for the recent hangover of APEX forced in

1182
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: between fight night cards that have a scarce amount of

1183
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: lack of depth, or maybe I've screwed up words there.

1184
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: It's just no depth at all. Luke, you get the point.

1185
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: This feels extra extra bad, Like really, this feels like

1186
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: the type of card you can make the argument in

1187
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 2: the modern era here as one of the worst they've

1188
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: ever rolled out. And my biggest issue, Luke, to be fair,

1189
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: does surround not only the storyline of the main event,

1190
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: but the fallout of Amanda Newnes's retirement, which, while it

1191
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: did come a month ago, this is where I go like, hey, Dana,

1192
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: can we slow down on power slap and figure out

1193
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: what we're doing here? Is there going to be a

1194
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: featherweight division? Luke, there appears not to be a women's

1195
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: featherweight division. You also could argue conspiratortally that there never

1196
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: actually was or rankings, But what do we have on

1197
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: this card norma Dumat versus Nick Diaz, Army member Chill

1198
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 2: Chandler and a women's featherweight bout? Where's that lead? And Luke,

1199
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: I think that ties into the main event, which is

1200
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: Holly Holm against Mara Bueno Silva. That not only feels

1201
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 2: like it has zero stakes, there's no champion in this division.

1202
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: Even if you wanted to make this the vacant championship fight.

1203
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: It's a better scenario here, even though it's not the

1204
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: right two fighters for it. Then just rolling out a

1205
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: women's bandam weight main event with no connective tissue. Announce

1206
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: for me, please announce that of Holly Home wins, she

1207
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: fights Julianna Pana for the vacant title. Announce something I

1208
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 2: feel like Luke in the aftermath of Amanda retiring, which

1209
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: is forcing them to shit or get off the pot

1210
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: with these two divisions and decide what they're doing. I

1211
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: don't think they're creating women's having weight and signing Kayla

1212
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: Harrison tomorrow. I don't think that's happening. But the fact

1213
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: that they're just gonna roll this out and not even

1214
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: like tell you what this is about. I feel like

1215
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: the moment Amanda retired, they should have pulled Holly off

1216
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: of this card. I know you're saying, BC, what do

1217
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: you pull Holly off? What do we have left? If

1218
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: we'd pull Holly off, you already have nothing left to

1219
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: begin with. But what is this main event?

1220
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 4: Even?

1221
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: Mean?

1222
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: Dude? What are we doing here? That part gets me

1223
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: upset because it's the same reason why pulled out of

1224
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: stopped covering WW and ultimately stopped watching pro wrestling. They

1225
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 2: had a rut there where nothing made sense. This feels

1226
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: like nothing makes sense here. Tell me I'm wrong, Smarten

1227
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: me up, Luke defend the UFC.

1228
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, you know, it's kind of funny you

1229
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: look at the odds on this one, BC, They're remarkable,

1230
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 3: and not just this fight, but this card. It's plus

1231
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: or minus one hundred and every direction. Of course, we're

1232
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: coming off of this card where it was perceived mismatches

1233
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: and it was upset crazy fight central. But the point

1234
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make here is like what you would

1235
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 3: normally want out of a promoter is to make competitive fights,

1236
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: and in general that's what they have done. But BC,

1237
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: not only can I add to what you're saying, although

1238
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: I'm not so much about pulling Holly Holm off the card,

1239
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: what I can say is like, here's the interesting part

1240
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 3: about this main event. Mayra Bueno Silva is actually a

1241
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 3: pretty good fighter. She's very good on the ground, particularly

1242
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: her back. She's got one. She has an arm bar

1243
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: from the guard and a knee bar from basically guard

1244
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: when someone was trying to do a leg entry. You know,

1245
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: she's very talented. She'll fight in the clench, she has

1246
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: a less of a reach blah blah blah blah, pum

1247
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 3: t and I make it. There's reasons you could think

1248
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 3: of to believe that she might be Holly Holm, but

1249
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: Holly Holme is slightly favored. And the point is this,

1250
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: the likeliest scenario is that home ekes out a win

1251
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 3: right where she doesn't even like like the contender, doesn't

1252
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: break through, Holly Holm doesn't like dominate and like reassert

1253
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 3: I'm the lady in this division or whatever. She actually

1254
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: just kind of squeaks by someone who is talented but

1255
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 3: not quite physical enough against an opponent like this where

1256
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: you end up getting like a really unsatisfying but kind

1257
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 3: of clear conclusion on top of the other problems that

1258
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: are already there to this division. It's like you'll get

1259
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 3: a decent answer probably on Saturday night, but not one

1260
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: that is satisfying in any way. It's they're in a

1261
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: bad spot with this one.

1262
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: That part's disappointing. It really is seriously like you want

1263
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: the fights to feel like they matter and go in

1264
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 2: the direction. I really wish that they could have taken

1265
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: that last month and figured out who's fighting for the

1266
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: vacant title. Let's try to lay out a roadmap, do

1267
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: we still? I mean, look, if this is just to

1268
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: give these women's featherweights the enough fights to fight out

1269
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: their contracts and be done, like again, I kind of

1270
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: like honesty in those segments to sort of tell us

1271
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: because if not, it's largely meaningless fights. It just it

1272
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: feels really weird. This is a weird extreme hangover. I mean, look,

1273
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: when you look at this main card, it's like, do

1274
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: you favor heavyweight Walt Harris on a three fight losing streaker.

1275
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: Do you favor Josh Parisian who's lost three of his

1276
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: last five. I mean, I don't know what to do

1277
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: with these fights.

1278
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: Luke, Yeah, I mean the significance of those I mean,

1279
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 3: the reality is this, those guys are on the roster,

1280
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: the UFC owes them a certain amount of fights. This

1281
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: is them finding a place for it. Back in the day,

1282
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: these kinds of apex events didn't exist, and so sometimes

1283
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: I know this to be I know this for a fact,

1284
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 3: that is what the.

1285
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: UFC would do.

1286
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: They would sometimes you'd see cards with like fifteen fights

1287
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: on them. You're like, god, damn fifteen fights on one night.

1288
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: It's because at the very beginning, Joe Silva would throw

1289
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 3: them there because he had no other place to put them, right,

1290
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 3: and now they have a whole other place just to leave.

1291
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: Like this is truly like I'm not I'm not here

1292
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: to say that. You know, the fights carry no value

1293
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: to anybody. Obviously, it carries a lot of value for

1294
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 3: the individual fighter's career, and they got to this level,

1295
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: and I respect that.

1296
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: But this is in terms of the UFC's product.

1297
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: This is the overflow, right, this is the extra stuff

1298
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: that they got to find something to do with but

1299
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: doesn't really have a more clear place. Now with that

1300
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: being said, b see, there are a couple of fights,

1301
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 3: maybe three or four worth paying attention to outside of

1302
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: the main event, which I want to circle back to.

1303
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: But I do want to say Norma Dumont kind of

1304
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: interesting fight against Chelsea Chandler worth paying attention to. Atman

1305
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: as Tart, the the az Tar brothers have been written

1306
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: up in The Economist for apparently there is some belief

1307
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: in the country of Morocco that they have influenced the

1308
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 3: king there, Like I'm not doing a bit that they

1309
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: have influenced the king there to bend to their Wills

1310
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 3: and what they want. It almost like an a resputant

1311
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: kind of way weird story there. Terrence McKinney's on it,

1312
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: local guy out of ground control and Ball Timore Tucker

1313
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 3: Lutz taken on milsig Bagdasari and I do like that fight. Also,

1314
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 3: b C Jack Dala Madelena, who was supposed to fight

1315
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: at UFC two ninety is on this card. He's taking

1316
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: on Basal Hafees. If you don't know haw fees is.

1317
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: I believe he is the I want to say CFFC

1318
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 3: walter weight champion. Let me do you verify that very quickly?

1319
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: He had his last fight, Yeah, fury FC. Excuse me,

1320
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 3: he's the fury FC welterweight champion coming in on short notice,

1321
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 3: but off two wins in a row, including one.

1322
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: That was a redemption. He stopped the guy he had

1323
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: previously the loss to it.

1324
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: He questioned Jack Jack Dela Madelena against anyone right now

1325
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: is not I want to call it mussy, but it's yeah.

1326
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: Let me find out what time, and I'm going to

1327
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: tune in because we have a rising stud who looks

1328
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: to be like he could be a problem. And I

1329
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: get the run of find try just trying to find

1330
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: anybody to fight him. Should they move this up to

1331
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: like basically the co main event, considering because right now

1332
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: Wikipedia not an official but they tend to be on

1333
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: it for the most part in terms of fight order.

1334
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: This feels this right now is buried on the prelims.

1335
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: Do you think it ends up being bumped up to

1336
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: like Cole Maine event that's you have to write, don't

1337
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: you have to? Yeah?

1338
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: I would. I would say that.

1339
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: Unless you have some very specific reason you cannot. Why

1340
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't you like, why wouldn't you seriously showcase the guy, right, Yeah,

1341
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: he's supposed to be the next big thing showcase him

1342
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: BC Getting back to the main event, Pound Fighters communicator

1343
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: between Holly Holm and Myra Bueno Silva.

1344
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: The odds are close.

1345
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: As we indicated, our friends at Caesars have Holly home

1346
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: minus one seventy Bueno Silva sitting at plus one forty five.

1347
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, Bueno Silva is a go getter. You know,

1348
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: she is a go getter. Be see, she'll get in

1349
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: your face. She likes to fight in the clench. As

1350
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: I mentioned before, very good on the ground. If I

1351
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: was her team, I would be looking to put the

1352
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 3: fight there. Holly Holm does have pretty sturdy these days

1353
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: takedown defense. She's always been a very good athlete, even

1354
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 3: in her advanced age. But we should remind everyone Holly Holm.

1355
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, I cannot, but it's really true.

1356
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: Holly Holm is forty one years of age BC. I've

1357
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: been waiting for her to fall off a cliff and

1358
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 3: she has not remarkable.

1359
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: Actually, Oh, I want to ask you a key question

1360
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: related to that, because I think at look, her longevity's

1361
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: amazing considering the physical toll that a Hall of Fame

1362
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: boxing career you know, may have or may not have had.

1363
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: I mean, she's been knocked out cold in boxing and

1364
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: come out and redeem that in one rematches. But consider

1365
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 2: like her, her longevity is like incredible. Her consistency is incredible.

1366
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: But how much of that, Luke does need to be

1367
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: mentioned that once Amanda took over this division and once

1368
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: the Rousey Tait era fell away, like it got shallow

1369
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. How much does that part of it play

1370
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: into the fact that she's been able to look I

1371
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: just mentioned they probably should have pulled her off and

1372
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: set her up for a vacant title fight because of

1373
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: her name, but also for the fact that she's still

1374
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: no worse than like this, the second, you know, best

1375
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: fighter in this division at the moment. How much of

1376
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: that is just because there's nobody else.

1377
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the division has it matured in ways that the

1378
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: other ones have, Like you think about the obviously one

1379
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: fifteen took off like a rocket and continues to be

1380
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 3: quite deep. One twenty five has made massive improvement. One

1381
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: thirty five has just regressed. It's hard to know exactly

1382
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: what the reasons for that, and it could end up

1383
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: being It feels somewhat similar to the path that two

1384
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: O five took in early UFCS.

1385
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: Two O five was the king Maker Division back in

1386
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: the day. This is to an extent.

1387
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not quite right with the way he

1388
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: split it, but you know, Frank Shamrock into Tito Ortez,

1389
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: into Chuck Ladell into Randy Coutura.

1390
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: These are the guys.

1391
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: And of course you can ad Vtor and Vandalai and

1392
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: Rampage and Alistair and there's so many different directions you

1393
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: could go where Showgun and Leodo and Rashadock. Two of

1394
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: five was the king Maker Division. It was its Marque one,

1395
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: and now it's like one of the ones that's probably

1396
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 3: closer to the bottom of the list, and it just

1397
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 3: hasn't hasn't been able to regroup. John Jones facilitated that

1398
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: kind of exit of that previous generation, but even since

1399
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: his exit, it hasn't really come back to life. I

1400
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 3: don't have a good answer for you at one to

1401
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: thirty five on the women's division except to say it

1402
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: feels like that where it's this leading edge of everything,

1403
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 3: and then when the rest of the sport catches up,

1404
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: you see the kind of quality that it actually has.

1405
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: All right, Look, based on the fact that this fight

1406
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: is happening Holme versus one oh so a main event Saturday,

1407
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: what role do you think the outcome of this fight

1408
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: plays to the title future of the women's BANDONM weight division.

1409
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: If we are assuming that women's featherweight, will I guess

1410
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: be shut down once everybody's contract runs up?

1411
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or yeah, we'll see what the hell is going

1412
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: to happen with that. They've still got Amanda noonez is

1413
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: the featherweight champion. By the way, at UFC dot Com

1414
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: slash rankings so as it stands, because I do think

1415
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: we have to talk about the rankings Holly Holm is

1416
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: sitting at three, and Mayra Bueno Silva is sitting at ten.

1417
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: Number one is Julianapaena, so she is probably going to

1418
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: be in the sweepstake somewhere.

1419
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 3: Two is Raquel Pennington. I think that they have a

1420
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: fight coming up or something. I forget see if you

1421
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 3: can look at Rakel Pennington's next fight, because I believe

1422
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 3: there's something in better.

1423
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: I don't think she has one, so I don't think

1424
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: they have decided. Well, they clearly haven't publicly announced who's

1425
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: fighting for the vacant title. I guess my question to

1426
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: you ultimately is does this fight still going on right

1427
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: now with no clear cut title implications meaning home In

1428
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: Bueno Silva suggest that Rocky Pennington versus Paina is the

1429
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: likely vacant title fight took place, Amanda or do you

1430
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: think the winner of this fight could have a say.

1431
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: In that argument? UH could have a say?

1432
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: Is likely number one contender because if it's Holly Holm,

1433
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: it can get complicated because she's got one of the

1434
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: bigger names in the division. You know you could make

1435
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 3: that work against Paanya, you could make that work against Pennington,

1436
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: although there how.

1437
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: Many times they even fought their first fight sucked thought twice.

1438
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: We don't need a third one, don't.

1439
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: So there's that.

1440
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, though, is if Buenos Silva wins,

1441
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 3: I think she sets herself up as number one contender

1442
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 3: to what happens between Penya and Pennington.

1443
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: In all likelihood, the BC, you know as well as

1444
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: I do, that could all get shuffled around in a

1445
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: few different permutations.

1446
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: If they had done the ultimate casual move here and

1447
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: just put Home and Tate in a rematch for the

1448
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: vacant belt, would.

1449
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: You have protested on this night or different in general?

1450
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: In general?

1451
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: If they had just said, you know what, Amanda's retirement

1452
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 2: changes everything. Let's put two big names out there in

1453
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: a rematch of a great fight. Sure you can, guys

1454
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: could fight for the vacant title. It wouldn't have been

1455
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: the meritocras rule. Luke.

1456
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, meritocratic.

1457
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll go with more of the Greek origin

1458
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: on that.

1459
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, is this word a Latin origin?

1460
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: Big fan of their yogurt? Luke. By the way, you

1461
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: know who makes the best pizza in this world? Little

1462
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: known pro tip here, Greek people make the best pizza.

1463
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: Luke. Greek Pizza Rea.

1464
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. Even though I grew up eighteen

1465
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: miles from New Haven, Connecticut, the pizza capital of the

1466
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: North America. And even though Luke I respect and enjoy

1467
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: the thin crust New Haven style, I grew up on

1468
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 2: Mike's Pizza Palace in Auguto, Connecticut, which is Greek people

1469
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: making Italian pizza. Luke, when Greek people make it, you

1470
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: get more cheese, a lot more, a lot more.

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Speaker 1: Like.

1472
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: Look, if your favorite topping is in Greece, I know

1473
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 2: what type of pizza you were raised on. Right, it's

1474
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: just a lot of everything. The Greeks make the best pizza,

1475
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: thank you.

1476
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 3: I will tell you that when I went to Athens

1477
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 3: a few years ago. You know, usually when I hear

1478
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 3: a foreign language, you can kind of pick out, like

1479
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 3: how it sounds, has a certain sound to you. Greek

1480
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 3: was so incomprehensible. It never ever sounded the same between

1481
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 3: two different speakers. It's like the weirdest language ever, very strange.

1482
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: But Luke, bac Lava's greasy and it gives me indigestion.

1483
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: I do like black Leva. It's very very tapuling right.

1484
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: Quickly, quickly, I got to ask you this question, Mike,

1485
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 2: you just posed something that's similar to this. He's a poser.

1486
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: He poses things to us. Luke, I don't know if

1487
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: you're following it. I know you're not. There's like this

1488
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 2: pro wrestling rumor that Ronda Rousey is done, is just

1489
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: about done with WW. There's no there's nothing aligning with

1490
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: Amanda Newness's exit, right like you at this point, what

1491
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: what are the what are the chances? And it's not

1492
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: that I care or I'm pushing for it, But if

1493
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: Ronda Rousey came back and if they somehow worked it

1494
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: into a title scenario, that still means blockbuster ratings. It

1495
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: still does, Luke, it still means like a big deal.

1496
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: Not a shadow of a doubt.

1497
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: Is it possible? In your eyes? Like as much as

1498
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: you feel like you might know the person inside that

1499
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: brain and she's been very successful in WW, I'm not

1500
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: here to rag on her. Even if her Mike's skills

1501
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: are abhorrent. There's no way she's coming back and rematching

1502
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: Holly for the title, right, Like, it's not happening.

1503
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 3: Right, I hadn't heard this. I didn't know this was

1504
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 3: I didn't know that you're you're dropping a bomb on me.

1505
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing. Let's think this through. Certainly, as

1506
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: long as Amanda was there, you know it was I mean,

1507
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: that's always going to be a bad match up for Ronda.

1508
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 3: Okay, you take her out of the equation, all right,

1509
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: but b see the other part is Holme is still there.

1510
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 3: And remember that was so traumatic I guess for Ronda.

1511
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 3: I'm not even like trying to minimize that, but it

1512
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 3: seemed genuinely traumatic for her that those highlight reels played

1513
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 3: ad infinitum. You know, I'll just say this, if they

1514
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: did another fight with Misha, the third one, I guess

1515
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: at this point, whatever it would be, wouldn't that sell

1516
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 3: a ship ton?

1517
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it would, you know, right?

1518
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: But would you make that a main event without a title?

1519
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: Would you? I mean, could just.

1520
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: Put it for the title? Who gives a shit?

1521
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: So you're now you're talking about forget Holly, forget Julianna

1522
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: and I You're talking about Misha versus Ronda three for

1523
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 2: the title.

1524
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: We're just throwing tell me the downside, Tell me the downside, right?

1525
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 3: I understand? Oh, these other ones are more meritocratic. It's like, okay,

1526
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 3: like technically that's true. Would the fans revolt. Never would

1527
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 3: you tell me she couldn't beat those other fighters?

1528
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: Never? I mean the Home one. I don't know that.

1529
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 3: One is still very Who the hell knows about that one?

1530
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: But you know we've seen her beat Misha like but

1531
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: we know she can do that.

1532
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: And even with she was a different person back then.

1533
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 2: I I don't know how she's evolved emotionally as it

1534
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: as it relates to MMA since then. I don't know.

1535
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't have a yeah.

1536
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,439
Speaker 3: I mean, if she's like fully changed as a person,

1537
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 3: then there's no going back, no matter what. But I'm

1538
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 3: just trying to point out, like this division has absolutely

1539
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 3: zero electricity running through it.

1540
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: Nothing.

1541
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: Ronda Rowsi for whatever else she is, would be probably

1542
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: we think there's least a chance to believe she would

1543
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: be a supercharger for electricity into this division in ways

1544
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: that it just does not have.

1545
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, in the streaming era, in this calendar year,

1546
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 2: if Rowsey came back and fought for a vacant bandam

1547
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 2: weight title against anybody, how big, how big is it?

1548
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,919
Speaker 2: How big? I guess it would have to be rematches

1549
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: with Home or taate Y.

1550
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: Gotta be yes, that's right, got to be a big name.

1551
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, some history. I'll tell you this much.

1552
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how much the Tate one sells, but

1553
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 3: it sells well. The Home one dude, Rowsy Home two. Shit, dude,

1554
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 3: that's a huge fight. That's a huge fight, you know.

1555
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: And I never thought Rock was going to come back

1556
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: from diverticulitis. And look at him.

1557
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: He came back, routed to the motherfucking gills, but he

1558
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 3: came back.

1559
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's all about perseverance. P See, it's all

1560
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: about perseverance. He came back.

1561
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 3: He was on Royds, but it was okay because he

1562
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 3: because he persevered. You see anything else on this card,

1563
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 3: I mean very quickly. You know, Albert Jeria have taken

1564
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: on Junior Young Park. Junior Park is actually put together

1565
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 3: a pretty decent record. Derayah has underperformed wildly against expectations.

1566
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: But that's where we are.

1567
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I gotta say, you know, some of

1568
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 2: this is theatrical. I'm not here to fully rag on

1569
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: the UFC. Last weekend was everything and more. And by

1570
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 2: the way, this is a month in which we're getting

1571
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: two badass pay per views. So forgiven haul past given,

1572
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 2: Luke I'm not. I'm not actually upset with that said.

1573
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: Will you watch live on Saturday?

1574
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean only if only if Tuki goes to bed

1575
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 1: early or something.

1576
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 2: You're like it, You're like, if my wife happens to

1577
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 2: leave me during dinner on Saturday, yes, I'll watch it.

1578
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 3: Right if I happen to get divorced at five pm,

1579
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 3: there's a chance. I'm not even trying to do a

1580
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 3: bit like I'm so cool, I don't watch, but it's

1581
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 3: just like, honestly, is it worth my time? Like you know,

1582
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 3: it's just I mean, the main event is worth my time,

1583
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: because obviously in some other things will be worth my time.

1584
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: The next day.

1585
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 3: I can pick out the pieces, but like the entirety

1586
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 3: of the experienced a lot, so I just don't have

1587
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: time like that.

1588
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: I just don't BC. Let's go quickly if we can

1589
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: to topic three.

1590
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 3: We kind of already mentioned one of these, but it's

1591
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 3: some fight announcements. As on this card for UFC Vegas

1592
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: seventy seven July fifteenth, Jack Dale Medelana taken it on

1593
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 3: Basel Jafez Dyala. Medelana should win BC, but I'm glad

1594
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 3: he got an opponent. I'm glad he didn't fly to

1595
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: the United States.

1596
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: For nothing, you know what I mean?

1597
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one, I actually feel like is great. I

1598
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 3: love this announcement. How about Matthew Semmelsberger Semi the Jedi

1599
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: out of I think Rockville, Maryland, so just north of

1600
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 3: DC taking on Yodo Schmititch UFC two ninety one, July

1601
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 3: twenty ninth, BC. I swear to God July twenty ninth

1602
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 3: between Spence Crawford and UFC two ninety one having some

1603
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 3: seriously good fights on it. It is going to be

1604
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: a legendary day for people who actually like boxing.

1605
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: It.

1606
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,839
Speaker 2: Forget Bellatour versus Risen Luke Rising.

1607
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 3: We'll get to the second yep, yep, yes, I'm about

1608
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 3: to read here. How about this one Tofiq Musayev taking

1609
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 3: on Akira Okada Super Rising two in your Cage. Now

1610
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 3: they call that July thirtieth, but that's gonna happen so

1611
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 3: far in advance, it's basically the same day for us.

1612
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: That's another big, one, huge, huge day in combat sports.

1613
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: BC.

1614
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: How about this one UFC two ninety two. This will

1615
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 3: be August nineteenth, Cheeto Vera taking on Pedro Munos, the

1616
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 3: Battle of the leg kickers in this one.

1617
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: Do you like it?

1618
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean as a replacement for Sahudo pulling out with

1619
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 2: a shoulder injury. It's it's not awful, Luke. I mean,

1620
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: I'd like to keep Cheetoh on that card. I'd like

1621
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 2: to keep this division moving. But there's no conspiracy theory

1622
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: behind that chit see Hudo pull out right, It's from

1623
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: all aspects, looks to be a real injury.

1624
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: He's thirty six, dude, that's he's got a shoulder injury

1625
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: that looks as real as all right.

1626
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this fight. I like this fight. Yeah, definitely.

1627
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 3: Okay, how about this one tie to Ivasa. Let's bang

1628
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 3: taking on Alexander volkal Off UFC two ninety three. This

1629
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 3: is set for September ninth. Gotta love that, do you not?

1630
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like that one a lot. And here's what's

1631
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: really interesting is don't forget tay too. I Vasa came

1632
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: back last time. Luken sort of rushed another fight, unnecessarily

1633
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 2: brought on more damage, sort of admitted I just wanted

1634
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: more money for my daughter for the holidays. There's gotta

1635
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: be one more chance. He gives himself to go all

1636
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 2: in and take this sport super serious, take his training

1637
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 2: super serious, and not just be the shoe drinking guy

1638
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: who's always down for a good time and will brawl anybody.

1639
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: Do you think there's still a version of him that

1640
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 2: comes out that can be the best version of Tai

1641
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 2: Tuo Avasa that we've ever seen, because I will say

1642
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: what he was able to lure Cyril Gone into never

1643
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: thought it would happen, and he showed me that on

1644
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: any given night he could he could be accidentally become

1645
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: an elite fighter due to that crazy will Luke.

1646
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 3: I just don't think he's fully figured out his style,

1647
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: and I want him to preserve himself a little bit

1648
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 3: so he can get there. That's my only concern is

1649
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 3: not that, you know, do I ever think he's going

1650
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 3: to be the best in the world. Okay, I'll be

1651
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 3: candid and say I'm a little bit skeptical of that.

1652
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 3: But do I think he can be really good? And

1653
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 3: he's already very good, but I mean a much better

1654
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 3: version of what he is I do.

1655
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: I do think that.

1656
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: I just feel like he has to lean into the

1657
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: technical side, and I feel like he's having you know,

1658
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 3: with any fighter who comes out a little bit more

1659
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 3: of a, especially the headweight division, kind of like a

1660
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 3: come forward brawler, bruiser type. It's a little bit hard

1661
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 3: for them to dial that back and then be more

1662
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 3: thoughtful in other ways in which they used to react

1663
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 3: more forcefully. But you know, force doesn't win fights against

1664
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,440
Speaker 3: the very best in the world unless it's very, very strategic,

1665
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 3: and so he's got a lot of things you would

1666
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: really like in a heavyweight, even if they're not optimal conditions,

1667
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 3: but I don't know if he's fully optimizing them.

1668
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: Volkov is a top fight. He can win.

1669
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 3: He can win if he's either lucky or strategic, and

1670
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 3: I would rather him be the latter than the former.

1671
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: Yes, it just taking that Pavlovitch fight so soon after

1672
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: the brutal gone knockout and then getting dusted in fifty

1673
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 2: four seconds. It's like outside of the big payday, really

1674
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 2: just question how you're nagivigating your career. But you know, again,

1675
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 2: people are in this sport for different reasons, and people

1676
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: plan out their matchmaking or sorry. Donald Serna used to

1677
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: always outright say I'm trying to fight literally as many

1678
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 2: times as they would let me per year because I

1679
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 2: love going out on my jet skis and boats and

1680
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: having a lot of fun with my toys like that.

1681
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he was straight up about it, Luke. I

1682
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: just I don't know. Maybe I'm asking Ti Tuoivasa to

1683
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 2: be somebody that he never would be. So he's just

1684
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: going out there and saying f it, let's bang, and

1685
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 2: he's banging.

1686
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: Luke.

1687
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm glad we are talking about

1688
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 3: this fight because it leads into our next topic, and

1689
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 3: I want to tie the two together, which is that

1690
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 3: a lot of times you can want something for a

1691
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 3: prospect and you can see certain flashes, but then they

1692
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: don't necessarily turn out the way you would hope, although

1693
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 3: sometimes they do.

1694
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: But not every time unfortunately. So it leads us to

1695
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: now topic number four I believe, which is Kevin Lee.

1696
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee has officially retired. Now. I don't know if

1697
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: he's put in his paperwork yet.

1698
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if the UFC has removed him from

1699
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 3: the but he took to social media and he put

1700
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 3: out a message, b see here's what I'd like to do.

1701
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: I believe we have the message queued up. We have

1702
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: a portion of his retirement clip.

1703
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 3: He took to Instagram and he released a message let's

1704
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 3: play a little bit of that and then I want

1705
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 3: to get your reaction.

1706
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: Here's Kevin Lee.

1707
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 5: Okay, to make a long story short, I'm designing to

1708
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 5: retire from MMA in the UFC. It's been twelve years.

1709
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 5: Twelve long years of me being the best fighter that

1710
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 5: I can be and a lot of hard work, a

1711
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 5: lot of dedication for me to try to be the

1712
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 5: best fighter in the world.

1713
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: When I look back on it, I had a hell

1714
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:45,839
Speaker 1: of a career.

1715
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 5: I fought a lot of tough guys and some of

1716
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 5: the toughest guys in the world.

1717
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: I always put up a great fight.

1718
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 5: I never backed down and always challenged myself to do

1719
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 5: things that I didn't think that I was capable of doing.

1720
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 5: The last three years to have been rough, especially on

1721
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 5: my body. It's it's been a lot of injuries, and

1722
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 5: honestly that that's one of the main factors of of

1723
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 5: me making this decision. I'm in need of another surgery

1724
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 5: after that last fight. I'm proud that I went out

1725
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 5: on my shield. I'm proud that I that I stood

1726
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 5: up in there and and without on my own terms.

1727
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 5: But at this point I got to think about more

1728
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 5: than just myself and I think that my skills and

1729
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 5: in the time and the energy that that I've put

1730
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 5: into this sport, I can put into something else, and

1731
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 5: in God willing and and it's upon.

1732
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 4: A lot and.

1733
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 5: All glory to God, and He's gonna lead me down

1734
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 5: a different path, the right path to where I can

1735
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 5: use my skills to help people.

1736
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: I think if I dedicate.

1737
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 5: Myself and you know, again, just as much hard work

1738
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 5: to doing something else.

1739
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: This s guy's the limit. So okay, there you have it, BC,

1740
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: your reaction.

1741
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 2: Love the guy. Hard to see it go down like this,

1742
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 2: But you know, rather than potentially getting cut, which is

1743
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 2: probably what could have happened after how one sided and

1744
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 2: disastrous that loss to fuck reck Nikov, was him announcing

1745
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 2: this on his own terms. I certainly respected. I've enjoyed

1746
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 2: watching him. I've always you know, we've always talked about

1747
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,839
Speaker 2: how the how much we've respected his upper bound limits

1748
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: and whether or not he was able to achieve that.

1749
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 2: In this case, he wasn't. The things he just talked

1750
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: about and the things he was proud of his career,

1751
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 2: in my opinion, are legit. You know, such a hard

1752
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: worker to get himself back here, especially with all of

1753
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 2: the injuries and some of the politics he believes that

1754
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 2: he had to go through to get back here. But

1755
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 2: what is his legacy? Always tried to face the best

1756
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: in certain big moments, was able to distill that flashes

1757
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 2: of greatness that showed us. But you know, he is

1758
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,759
Speaker 2: at a point here at thirty. If he does decide

1759
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 2: to walk away and stay away, that look at the success,

1760
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 2: look at the unlikely success of what his younger brother

1761
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,799
Speaker 2: Keith has been able to do transitioning from bellator fighter

1762
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,919
Speaker 2: to now influence or slash you know, food critic, slash

1763
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 2: helping so many people. And you know, I've watched Keith's

1764
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: journey and I am talking to Kevin ahead of this

1765
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: last fight. He's seemed very touched by that. What does

1766
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 2: that leave for Kevin? Could you know, it's almost sounded

1767
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 2: like he was thinking of maybe putting his energy into training.

1768
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: I could pick out of there if I'm picking closely.

1769
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 2: But Luke. One thing that's interesting though, is like the

1770
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: only surprising and not surprised he walked away. I mean,

1771
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,480
Speaker 2: he's hit a few different walls, and again this disastrous

1772
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 2: one sided loss was a big wall he ran into.

1773
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 2: But he is only thirty and he has been as

1774
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: he mentioned, they're ravaged by injuries and needs another surgery.

1775
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 2: I do wonder, and you know, anytime a thirty year

1776
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: old is going to walk away, you do wonder if

1777
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: the situation changes and they feel differently they wake up

1778
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 2: one day, I wonder if he takes enough time I'm

1779
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 2: off to to really heal and get healthy and isn't

1780
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: constantly forcing himself to rush back and re event. Does

1781
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 2: he wake up eighteen months from now and reboot it

1782
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: and try it again in some form? And you know,

1783
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't want to see him showing up

1784
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 2: on BKFC in a year and a half, but maybe

1785
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: he does, and maybe he gets paid big for it.

1786
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 2: But I think he's making the right decision right now

1787
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 2: because whichever way he goes or ends up, stopping now

1788
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: letting his mind and body heal and taking stock of

1789
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 2: his life. And one thing I liked about what I

1790
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 2: asked him in the interview ahead of that last fight

1791
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 2: was the whole idea about like how high, one thing

1792
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 2: I specifically asked him. And I think this is interesting

1793
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: for all of us, not just as fighters, but Luke,

1794
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: it's like one thing I deal with a lot as

1795
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 2: a man is like, you know, I've got the successful

1796
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,839
Speaker 2: career in on. It's so much fun, but it's easy

1797
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 2: to give all of my thoughts and energy to this

1798
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: career and growing it to like the detriment of my

1799
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 2: family or my own identity. And one thing I asked

1800
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 2: him was, you know hard when he got cut by

1801
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 2: the UFC that time and went to egle FC and

1802
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: was kind of in no man's land, And was the

1803
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: mental side of that, the whole fear we all have

1804
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 2: what if our job tomorrow is taken away? And it's

1805
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 2: not just the financial fear of what if we're laid off?

1806
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 2: But you know how much of my self identity is

1807
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 2: tied into being into who I feel I am and

1808
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 2: my career. And I felt like he had good answers

1809
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: to that, good answers to the idea of, you know,

1810
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: all the adversity he had went through started to open

1811
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 2: up his eyes into that next level realization, that epiphany,

1812
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: to the idea of that he does have so much

1813
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 2: more to give this world beyond just being a fighter.

1814
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 2: So I set that up to say, I feel like

1815
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: he sort of felt this already, had the mind going

1816
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: that this could be the direction he would go based

1817
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 2: on the result of this fight, Well, this fight was disastrous.

1818
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: I can only wish him well moving forward, Luke, and

1819
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: I hope that the recent success and the unlikely breakout

1820
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 2: success of his brother could also influence Kevin to to

1821
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: find his true calling in life. And you know, maybe

1822
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 2: that is as a coach, or maybe that's anything but

1823
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 2: getting out now rather than just keep going back to

1824
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: the to the drawing board and keep trying to re

1825
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: invent yourself amid all the physical difficulties in the toll

1826
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 2: of the sport takes is the right decision. Anytime someone's

1827
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 2: going out on their own terms, whether or not you

1828
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 2: believe they'll stay out, you got to stand up and

1829
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,520
Speaker 2: applaud Luke. He didn't max out his ability in an

1830
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: accomplishment sense with titles and defenses and pay per view

1831
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 2: payouts and all that, but he never stopped trying to

1832
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 2: be the best he could be. So I got a respect,

1833
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for Kevin Lee on the way

1834
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: out here.

1835
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like we said after the fight with ra Kretdinov.

1836
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 3: You know when I watched that fight, do yourself a favor,

1837
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 3: go back and watch the Mustafaia fight as the one

1838
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 3: I kind of go back to where I thought Kevin

1839
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 3: Lee look great. You can go to the Gregor Gillespie

1840
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 3: fight and look at how mobile and athletic and capable

1841
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 3: he looked. Physically, he could physically move in certain ways.

1842
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 3: And again it's not to say that I don't think

1843
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 3: he tried hard. Remember I saw him trading with Phil Drue.

1844
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 3: I know Phil was doing the very best. I'm sure

1845
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 3: he put in all of it. Phil and Kevin and

1846
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 3: everyone else put in all of the work that they could.

1847
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 3: But three reality is his body to me looked ravaged

1848
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 3: by injuries. For athletic career purposes, he cannot move the

1849
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 3: same way he once did. He cannot act physically in

1850
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 3: the way that he once did, and in a sport

1851
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 3: as dangerous as mma, you know, that's up to a

1852
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 3: recipe to get very, very hurt. And so what I

1853
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 3: feel like is it's not you know on this job,

1854
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 3: you see you know this as well as I do.

1855
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 3: Like it's very sensitive around the time where you say

1856
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 3: the guys, hey, you should retire, especially when they're thirty

1857
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 3: years of age. But when I saw him at that

1858
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 3: for Kretdonov fight and after the way he lost and

1859
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 3: he looked truly. I mean this, and I'm not saying

1860
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 3: this to be insulting, because you and I have been

1861
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 3: you know, we have been driving that that Kevin Lee

1862
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 3: train as far as we could take it, and we

1863
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 3: were big believers.

1864
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: Both of us were big believers in him.

1865
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: But the reality is, after I watched that for Creddonov fight,

1866
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,520
Speaker 3: I the only thing I thought.

1867
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: Was he has to stop. This is going to go

1868
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: really really poorly for him.

1869
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 3: I don't know who he could beat, honestly at this

1870
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 3: point on that UFC rostery. Granted they didn't do him

1871
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 3: any favors with that for Greddonoff fight, but the old

1872
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 3: Kevin Lee would have given that guy tough fight, even

1873
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 3: if he would have lost. He gave him nothing. He

1874
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 3: gave him absolutely nothing. So I'm with UBC. I don't

1875
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 3: know what the answer is. Maybe he comes back out.

1876
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 3: This is a difficult scenario. But this is the first

1877
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 3: time like either. This is what always bugged me about

1878
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: Kevin Lee. It's like he was so athletic, he was

1879
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 3: so good on the mic. He was funny, he was

1880
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 3: an engaging personality. He had great wrestling, he had great

1881
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 3: ground and pound, he had an awesome ground game. There

1882
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 3: was a lot I liked about what he was offering.

1883
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 3: One of things that always kind of bugged me was

1884
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 3: he never really moved his head the way he needed to.

1885
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: His boxing defense always kind of looked off for different reasons,

1886
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 3: even though he had good trainers and it cost him

1887
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 3: to get rocked and loose fights all the time.

1888
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he never ever worked on it.

1889
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 3: And now it's like, I don't even know if he

1890
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 3: physically could you know what I mean, I don't even

1891
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 3: know if he physically could even get there versus just not.

1892
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 3: And once you've gotten to that point, it's time to

1893
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 3: call it a day. I'm glad, lad he is making

1894
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 3: a decision based on his health, and I wish him

1895
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 3: nothing but great things. Uh, there's so much life after thirty.

1896
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 3: I wish him nothing but great, great things in that.

1897
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we used to make the joke the future champion

1898
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee joke when times went bad for him in

1899
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: the cage and say, well, doesn't count if he becomes

1900
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: PFL champ or BKFC champ or whatever. How about this

1901
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 2: champion of his own life, Luke, I wish him, like

1902
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 2: I said, very well, on on taking that step. Now forward,

1903
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: you know like that, this was an identity for some time.

1904
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 2: What's the night? What's the rest of Kevin Lee's life?

1905
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 2: Look like he's gonna figure that out and I and

1906
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 2: I support that.

1907
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: Luca.

1908
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe one chest staff.

1909
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: What was that?

1910
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 2: What do you have, Lucas staffan.

1911
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeh, he had a staff infection on his chest on

1912
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: the Tony Ferguson fight.

1913
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: Maybe one staff in affection away from being an interim

1914
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 2: UFC champion.

1915
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 3: Maybe look forget he beat Tony Ferguson's ass in that round.

1916
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 2: You know, you know what he did. He did rebound

1917
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: and then within that big losing streak against big names,

1918
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 2: he did remind us on that one you know, Hey,

1919
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 2: given Sunday, Luke, how about that one given night? Yeah,

1920
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 2: I'm talking about November two, twenty nineteen, UFC two forty four,

1921
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden. Let's look back one more time at

1922
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: the knockout of the year. Damn Luke, gregor Glas go home.

1923
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 3: That's that will remain one of the best knockouts you

1924
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 3: ever see. I mean, you just gotta be kidding me.

1925
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 3: Stepping in hard with the jab, he comes over the

1926
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 3: top with the right like that and then finishes him

1927
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 3: off with a head kick on the way out.

1928
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: Son.

1929
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 3: That is ah, you know what I mean? That Kevin

1930
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 3: Lee is amazing. I still believe that Kevin Lee could

1931
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 3: do great things.

1932
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 2: If I wasn't such a shitty painter, Luke. I mean,

1933
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 2: right now, this is the This is the best I

1934
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 2: can give you. Okay, that's the best about it, I

1935
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 2: would say, Luke. I would, I would draw, I would,

1936
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,719
Speaker 2: I would paint a picture of that knockout of Gregor

1937
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 2: Gillespie like a massive canvas and mail it to Kevin

1938
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 2: Lee and have him put it up in the living room, Luke,

1939
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: because that's what he gave us. Let's end on a

1940
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 2: high note. Thank you, Kevin Lee.

1941
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: All Right, With that in mind, we go to our

1942
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: last topic. There's really not.

1943
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: Much to say about this BC, but we will bring

1944
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 3: it up topic number five. The PFL, I mean just

1945
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean, good lord, now, I hope they don't buy Belatore.

1946
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 3: If I could be honest with you, the PFL has

1947
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 3: hired you soada. You'll recall that, however, many months ago

1948
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 3: they went to Vegas and like literally half the roster

1949
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 3: pop because of course they did. That's what happens in

1950
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 3: regional or sub ufc MMA where these guys are careers,

1951
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 3: are hanging on by a thread. They're gonna do everything

1952
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 3: they can to make it work. Where drugs are quite

1953
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 3: rampant and anyway, you get the idea.

1954
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: BC. Do you have any reaction to PFL foolishly doing

1955
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: this and impacting their ability to put on a product.

1956
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: But I guess that's where we are.

1957
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 2: Well looke drugs win the drug war. As your T

1958
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: shirt has often remind us.

1959
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: Someone tell the PFL that they haven't learned that lesson

1960
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 1: yet apparently.

1961
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 2: I just feel like, I mean, does Usada have the

1962
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 2: greatest reputation? Look so? So it's like the smart cage

1963
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 2: was sitting around and.

1964
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, no, the ask Jeeves Cage.

1965
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 2: Let's get Yeah, the GeoCities dot blog spot cage. Luke

1966
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: was just probably sitting around with the corporate leaders and

1967
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 2: all their celebrity investors and was like, what do we

1968
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 2: need to fix this situation? You know what I mean?

1969
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 2: And then and you know, like, you know, how about

1970
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 2: no drug testing?

1971
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: Now?

1972
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 2: We must get Usada? All right? Well? Yeah, I mean

1973
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say we can laugh about.

1974
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I know the only.

1975
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 3: Thing we could say, BC, is this it's the pattern

1976
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 3: that repeats itself. These guys anti doping. Nothing is better

1977
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 3: for their business than moral panics. I mean, wow, they

1978
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 3: can't wait for overwrought media coverage and the handwringing, which,

1979
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 3: by the way, there was never any about the fights,

1980
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 3: just about the news that what these guys were doing

1981
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 3: to make the fights, So we'll point that out, and

1982
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 3: they get all this bad press, and I'm guessing what's

1983
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 3: happening is they're either trying to raise funds to buy

1984
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 3: Belat or whatever, so they need to like they got

1985
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 3: to get this catastrophe and insurance, this good pr that

1986
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 3: you get from doing this, to probably to enable business

1987
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 3: deals on the back end. The last thing I'd say though,

1988
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 3: here is we see aside from the moral panic standpoint,

1989
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 3: is you know, they call themselves fighter first, and they

1990
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 3: even put that in the language for the release or

1991
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 3: to whatever. Mark Ramandi from ESPN had a report it

1992
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 3: being like, you know, because we're a fighter first and

1993
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 3: we wanted to you know, we care about safety, even

1994
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 3: though of course we will not make the products safe

1995
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 3: in any real way, they put them in the language.

1996
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 3: And my thought is what happened to this, Like Global

1997
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 3: Advisory Board that Francis was supposed to sit on as

1998
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 3: like the athlete representative, What the fuck does that that

1999
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,759
Speaker 3: board even do? Because what I can tell you didn't

2000
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: happen here was that nobody asked the fighters if they

2001
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 3: actually wanted this right, and no one even bothered to

2002
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 3: be like, hey, is this a thing you guys would

2003
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 3: be interested in?

2004
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: One more time?

2005
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,520
Speaker 3: Anti doping feeds off of moral panics for big business

2006
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 3: that just need catastrophe insurance to shore up good pr

2007
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 3: That's what it exists for, no more, no less.

2008
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: That's what That's what it feels like at the end

2009
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 2: of the day. I mean, when you have that system

2010
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 2: in place, I mean, I don't know, Luke, it just

2011
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 2: I feel like if you I still I still feel

2012
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 2: like everybody's using any way, and when you get caught,

2013
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 2: it just means you did it wrong. And But does

2014
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: establishing a USATA system in the end make it harder

2015
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 2: or easier to get away with it? Uh?

2016
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: It will make it harder, because here's the thing you're.

2017
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 2: It makes it hard if you're sloppy right but not

2018
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 2: right now.

2019
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 3: It makes it harder if you're poor, and it makes

2020
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 3: it harder if you're sloppy. If you have money and

2021
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 3: you're clever, it actually makes it easier because what there again,

2022
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 3: this is this is true across sports where they've measured it.

2023
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 3: What ends up happening is the either teams or countries

2024
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,839
Speaker 3: or athletes who have resources, they are able to meaningfully

2025
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 3: skirt the system, and the poorer ones who have less

2026
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: sophisticated means or drugs are simply not able to. I

2027
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 3: just want to point out something like, we haven't thought

2028
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 3: this through. It's one thing to lose two years on

2029
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 3: a UFC contract, even those could be ten and ten

2030
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 3: or whatever, but I'm just pointing out it's.

2031
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: One thing to lose that.

2032
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 3: Can you imagine being two years on a PFL contract

2033
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 3: and stuck and you can't go fight for another promoter?

2034
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 3: Are they out of their fucking minds? That is like

2035
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna end careers before they ever get started, even

2036
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 3: even if you're pro anti doping and a guy just

2037
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 3: you know, makes a mistake, right like he is somebody

2038
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 3: who yeah, they used, but they learned their lesson, they

2039
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 3: didn't want.

2040
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: To do it again.

2041
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 3: They regretted it, right Like actually, people who meaningfully do

2042
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 3: feel bad about it, You're gonna put that guy on

2043
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 3: ice for two years and he hasn't even made it

2044
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 3: to the UFC level. That seems almost evil when you

2045
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 3: think about it. What a ridiculous thing to do.

2046
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that, Luke. Well, you know,

2047
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 2: what do you want me to say?

2048
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: Here's here's what we know BC.

2049
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 3: No one I have learned something in fifteen years, whether

2050
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 3: I am right or whether I am wrong, and they've happened,

2051
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 3: you know, to whatever degree you want to say, they do.

2052
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 4: Out.

2053
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 1: No one gives a fuck what I have to say. Yeah,

2054
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: like I am the least convincing person in the entire sport.

2055
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter at all. How right or wrong I am,

2056
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: utterly irrelevant, doesn't matter.

2057
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't really want your takes on anything involving life, Luke.

2058
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 2: They just want you to preview and review every single

2059
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 2: UFC fight on the card.

2060
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 1: And if you do that, sure they do. I'm not

2061
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: sure they want to do that.

2062
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 2: You are a p one sensation. You are the the uh. Yeah. Anyway,

2063
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 2: let's roll on, Luke. Let's actually hear from our fans.

2064
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 2: We do this segment every week where we offer you

2065
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,679
Speaker 2: an email address Morning Combat at gmail dot com. Mikey

2066
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: mooremils CBS Sports is at the end of that tunnel. Uh.

2067
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 2: He's ready to receive your artwork, your tight T shirt, picks,

2068
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 2: your pictures of your wife, and your bad cable management.

2069
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 2: We call this fan submissions.

2070
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: Frank, you've got mail feuures.

2071
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 2: Look, we have Cameron from Massachusetts, or Cam as he

2072
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 2: calls himself. Hey, Luke in BC making it look easy.

2073
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm a Day one donk and in honor of the

2074
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 2: great victory at two ninety I wanted to share a

2075
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 2: picture of myself and MK one point o gear with

2076
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 2: the Great Alex Volkanowski. This was taken in NYC ahead

2077
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 2: of two to eighty one Izzy versus Padata in a

2078
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,759
Speaker 2: at a shameless Howlerhead promo event. When I approached Alex,

2079
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 2: he acknowledged the sweatshirt, saying morning combat a end quote,

2080
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 2: and he signed a bottle of Howlerhead for me. PS

2081
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 2: please do a live show in Boston ahead of two

2082
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 2: ninety two. The fans need it. I promised to not

2083
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 2: pull an appy and keep my underwear on the inside

2084
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 2: of my pants. Keep up the great work, Cam from Massachusetts, Luke.

2085
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 2: There's a lot to respond to you. There including that

2086
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 2: Howler had bottled shamelessly positioned dude. Volkanowski was like, MK,

2087
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 2: all right, bro, that's a knife. No, no, that's a knife.

2088
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yeah, it's what I'm talking about.

2089
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's nice to see.

2090
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 3: I guess our our listener here on the show is

2091
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 3: a very short person, because Volkanowski is also.

2092
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 2: Really by the way, you see Rogan towering over Volkanowski.

2093
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: How's that possible, Luke, Maybe he had like those things

2094
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: in his shoes or whatever.

2095
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 2: Platform. Yeah, good to see one point zero merch still

2096
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 2: in circulation that you can still buy on the showtime merch.

2097
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 2: By the way, Also, Luke, no, I don't do stuff

2098
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 2: like that.

2099
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Luke.

2100
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 3: By the way, we gotta try. We gotta try Hollerhead.

2101
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 3: We also need to try I guess I didn't realize this.

2102
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,799
Speaker 3: Bruce Buffer has one called Puncher's Chance something.

2103
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 2: I don't think we need to try that, Luke. Sorry,

2104
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 2: don't really think we need to try that. But as

2105
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 2: Mikey pointed out the other day when I said, hey, guys,

2106
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 2: Cameron from Massachusetts is right, even though I haven't read

2107
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 2: this until now, we should do a live show in Boston.

2108
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Mike he was like, aren't you on vacation that week? Wow?

2109
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 2: Why sorry, Luke, I got a family to take care of.

2110
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have been their live show, right,

2111
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 2: I mean.

2112
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: We've been great. What do you like more of Boston

2113
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: or New York City?

2114
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: Boston? Oh, okay, okay, okay, New York. I grew up

2115
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 2: being a New York guy, grew up ninety minutes away,

2116
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 2: went a million times. I've grown to love Boston, all right,

2117
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 2: like really have grown to love it.

2118
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: But it's because of the racism.

2119
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 2: Wow, because I got one, I got one, I get one.

2120
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 2: I get to be fair. It's because have you been

2121
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 2: to the North End, which is the Italian section, Luke?

2122
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 2: Have you been there?

2123
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

2124
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 2: It's not that far from the Garden, and it is

2125
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 2: some of the best food pastries, like you know the

2126
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 2: They basically have this one main street, Luke, that has

2127
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 2: like a million mom and pop Italian joints. But if

2128
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 2: you go around the corner down the alley, there's like

2129
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 2: back up streets that have backup mom and pop like

2130
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 2: old world places. Boston is a tremendous visit. I only

2131
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 2: live two hours away, but no New York's you know,

2132
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 2: I mean, La is my favorite city in the world, Luke.

2133
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 2: But La, I l dude, I love La. Oh my god,

2134
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 2: I love La and I know and I even love

2135
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 2: how how gross it is. I just love La. It's

2136
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 2: like that California dream that's injected into you as a

2137
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 2: little kid. Like my dream is still to get getting

2138
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 2: a convertible, Luke and drive across country, Like that's my

2139
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 2: dream in life. But dude, New York City, You've said

2140
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 2: it before. New York City is it's it's incredible.

2141
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: It's incredible, Dude, New York's oaks.

2142
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Speaker 4: La.

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01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I will say this, La. You

2144
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: know what LA's got. La has top tier Mexican food.

2145
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 2: To dude, even if you go to the Staples Center,

2146
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't call it crypto and you go to one

2147
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 2: of those mom and pop places on the side of

2148
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 2: the road where like some grandma's cooking like hot dogs,

2149
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 2: cooking vacon like everything that they do street food or not. Yeah,

2150
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 2: but no, it's Look, it's the ocean, it's the mountains.

2151
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: It's I like the weather. I like the weather.

2152
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 3: There's parts of La that are obviously awesome and charming,

2153
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 3: and they're great, and I do like it, but the

2154
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 3: fact that it's a car culture place and you have

2155
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 3: to drive everywhere it's awful.

2156
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 2: It makes it really hard. The traffic is is just unbearable.

2157
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 2: It's Yeah, there's a lot to not like about it,

2158
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 2: but I try to only visit there for work and

2159
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 2: I get really excited about it. Anyway, Thank you Cameron

2160
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 2: for wearing that chat in Meet and Volk. I mean, look,

2161
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 2: Volk was like, yeah, I know, MK, did you know that?

2162
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 2: Did you know that?

2163
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean we've I've interviewed them for MK.

2164
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 3: I just never know if these guys ever, I mean,

2165
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 3: you know, when is he called it was a combat

2166
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 3: corner or some shit everyone, Yeah, yeah, we should have

2167
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 3: changed the name there right then, Like, yes, we are

2168
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 3: now called you.

2169
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 2: Know there is one called combat corner, So I think

2170
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 2: that's why there is. Yes, I heard there is. Okay,

2171
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: let's go to Kimmy Well, a female listener. Luke, Hey, guys,

2172
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 2: I know you already saw the video of Cheeto's Instagram, but.

2173
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 3: Hey, this is I think this is something no drunkie

2174
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 3: something like that.

2175
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 2: Yes, she says, here is my before, during, and after

2176
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 2: picks from this weekend. You already know as one of

2177
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: the rare Latina donks I had to show out in

2178
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 2: the MK gear both days of UFCX. Also, I'm personally

2179
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 2: taking credit for Lukeito Lokito correcting his pronunciation of Yasmine

2180
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 2: horror Guy's name.

2181
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: It's not horror Guy since he.

2182
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: Basically quoted my DM verbatim.

2183
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 3: The other Okay, so hold on, let me let me

2184
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 3: say this, let me say this. I do recall her,

2185
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 3: I believe sending me a note after I fucked up

2186
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 3: the pronunciation. My phone lit up like a Christmas tree

2187
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 3: from everybody who watches the show who speaks Spanish. That

2188
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 3: I've ever had any community, I'm not doing a bit.

2189
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: I must have. I must have had nearly twenty DMS

2190
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 1: or text from people being like, yeah, you're pronouncing that wrong.

2191
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: It's Howard Eggy. So she did. I will give her credit,

2192
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,839
Speaker 1: I believe, but she was not alone.

2193
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: She was little after that performance against Gomes. It's horror

2194
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 2: Guy now, Luke, Okay, I don't mean that disrespectful because

2195
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 2: the word horz and I'm not. I'm not misogynistic and racist, Luke.

2196
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 2: I will say that Kimmy may have sent more photos.

2197
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 2: We only have one of them, but we can show

2198
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 2: that one more time. The photo that made the rounds

2199
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 2: this week was her in the yellow morning Combat shirt

2200
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 2: with you and I getting the tattoo on her arm

2201
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 2: of Cheeto's autograph, which is aggressive, Luke, But she's a

2202
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 2: big fan. But look at her and the tie die

2203
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 2: as well. Love to see our females, Yeah, big fan.

2204
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: Awesome.

2205
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,480
Speaker 2: Yes, Luke loves Latina Donks.

2206
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 3: The most, that's right, I mean that is a fair statement.

2207
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 3: Did you see a picture of Sophia Gara in her

2208
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 3: one piece?

2209
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 2: But you sent me a picture of in her Uh?

2210
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah you sent that? Yeah? But who did I send

2211
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 2: you a picture of? And then you responded with like, BC,

2212
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 2: I don't care about that female at all.

2213
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't remember. But whatever it was,

2214
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 3: it wasn't what I sent you. I can I can

2215
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 3: tell you that.

2216
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, whoever I sent you as a future waitress. But Luke,

2217
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 2: we need that. We need them, you know what I mean?

2218
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 2: We need them?

2219
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: Luke?

2220
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, Luke, next guy sending something in is

2221
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 2: you know Rajiev from Las Vegas, remember we met him

2222
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:34,719
Speaker 2: at the live show. Or you don't care about people?

2223
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: I do care.

2224
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 2: He's a Las Vegas doctor. Luke, he says, what's up, fellas,

2225
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 2: it's rajieve again. Don't mind my goofy face in this

2226
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 2: washed middle aged MK hat I stood in line at

2227
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,879
Speaker 2: the UFCXBO for one fighter and one fighter only. JJ

2228
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 2: says she's ready to squash the beef and come on

2229
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 2: the RSD couch. The one stipulation is BCS to keep

2230
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 2: his pants on. Be rogie, rogie. If you serious with

2231
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,839
Speaker 2: that last comment, Luke, do you think he actually uttered

2232
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 2: the phrase mk RSD while wearing that hat to you

2233
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 2: want a champion and said come on the damn couch.

2234
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 1: Yes? I bet he did, and I bet she was like,

2235
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: I have no idea who those people are. I guarantee all.

2236
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 2: Right, one day, one day we will get you want

2237
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 2: to champion on the couch, Luke.

2238
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: No, one day you will. I won't be present for that.

2239
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 2: Look, she's she's a Will you at least respect that

2240
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 2: she's an absolute savage fighter who's given us so many

2241
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 2: fun fights through the years.

2242
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she's a tremendous talent and is worthy of

2243
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 3: all the admiration that the fight game keeps upon her.

2244
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 3: She she just hord a guy that I know. This

2245
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 3: guy in the air and.

2246
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: It was an awful moment that was one thousand percent

2247
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: her fault.

2248
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, and Luke, can you I've forgiven you a

2249
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 2: lot in our time together. Luke, can you forgive? I mean,

2250
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 2: look at what Japan has done to me, forgiven me?

2251
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 2: Will you forgive her?

2252
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 3: There would be conditions under which I would consider it,

2253
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 3: but we don't live in any of those, so it's pointless.

2254
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 1: All right, Well, currange John Jones, turn John Jones. I mean,

2255
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: it's very different scenarios, but like they're never at I don't.

2256
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't expect them to care about my life. I

2257
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: don't expect them to care about whether I live or die,

2258
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 1: So it would be very foolish of me to sit

2259
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 1: here and wait for an apology, even though that I

2260
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: am owed one. So it doesn't matter. It's never gonna happen.

2261
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 2: So you know you can you can lay down the

2262
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 2: firearm and just move on.

2263
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 3: No, No, I can't, No, I can't, right, I don't

2264
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 3: like it to me, dude, Like I mean, I've told

2265
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 3: you this, but like that year what year was at

2266
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen where I was doing the MMA Hour,

2267
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 3: it was like one of the most difficult years of

2268
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 3: my life, in part because like at the time, MMA

2269
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 3: fighting was just crumbling and I was on the last

2270
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 3: of the Mohicans, and there's a whole story there, but

2271
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 3: I needed like every time we were trying to book, guess,

2272
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 3: it was just always this weird pushback about what we

2273
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 3: could get and what we couldn't get, and then it

2274
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 3: would all I've gone through the whole story a million times,

2275
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 3: and then to pull that in the way that she

2276
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 3: did was to me like one of the most damaging

2277
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 3: things she could have done. It one of the most

2278
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 3: important parts of my career, and the fact that it

2279
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 3: was treated so nonchalantly that like, I'm that motherfucker to

2280
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 3: steal on. No, I will not look the other way. No,

2281
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:20,799
Speaker 3: that's not possible.

2282
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have that in me.

2283
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 2: I guess every man has standards, Luke, every man has

2284
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 2: a code, right. You drew that line in the sand, and.

2285
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: You see plenty of fighters have actually done some things

2286
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 1: that were like really unprofessional, but that remains one of

2287
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: the ones that was uniquely damaging to me.

2288
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 2: So, yeah, look at where Mike Perry and I am

2289
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 2: at right now, Luke, after our rough start.

2290
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Mike. You know, Mike is I think, uh,

2291
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 1: Mike is chill? Yeah, yeah, Uh it never gets old?

2292
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 1: Does it gets old?

2293
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 2: Does it? By the way, congratulations again to him and

2294
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 2: coach Littori on the marriage over the weekend. Luke, Mike

2295
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 2: just reminded me that he was wrong and I'm wrong.

2296
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 2: Ninety two in Boston is August nineteenth. I will not

2297
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 2: be on vacation during that time, Luke.

2298
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: I think you right? I think you might. I might be.

2299
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: I think maybe I'll do a one.

2300
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Man show in Boston. Maybe we'll get JJ on there.

2301
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: Maybe you will. Maybe you at.

2302
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 2: JJ and Boston. How about that, Luke, no BC and JJ,

2303
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 2: no power couple, a.

2304
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: Couple of Sorry, is that gonna be the new name

2305
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 1: of m K after you just ax me?

2306
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, let's hear from podcast. This is from Alex

2307
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 2: and Gary. They say, Hi, Luke and Brian, longtime viewers

2308
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 2: and loyal donks. Alex and Gary Carpentier representing MK on

2309
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:47,440
Speaker 2: reporting day for indoctrination in the US Merchant Marine Academy

2310
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 2: at King's Point, Long Island. Shout out to Long Island, Luke,

2311
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 2: they say, By the way, Luke, no cedar a guy

2312
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, Alex will study marine engineering and will

2313
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,600
Speaker 2: earn credentials to become a Strategic Sealift Command officer in

2314
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 2: the US Navy Reserve and operate any unlimited tonnage vessel

2315
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 2: of any horsepower as a merchant marine officer. Alex's crew

2316
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 2: team at Deese Powerhouse Gonzaga College High School had another

2317
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 2: spectacular year with a hard fought fourth place finish in

2318
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 2: the Scholastic Rowing Association of America chan Plastic Alex, I'm

2319
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 2: trying to read this fast. Alex was honored as a

2320
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Washington Post First Team All Metropolitan Rower.

2321
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 1: Oh, he was suited.

2322
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 2: He was recruited for the Mariners at King's point. I

2323
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 2: don't know what any of this means. Let me close

2324
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 2: by saying he said, we are a family of public

2325
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 2: servants and there's no higher calling than to serve your country.

2326
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 2: Shout out to Luke, and Alex is ready to recruit

2327
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 2: his midshipmen to become part of the MK family. MK

2328
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 2: is the number one destination for combat sports. Keep up

2329
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 2: the good work acta non verba. It's Alex and Gary.

2330
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 2: Look are they father and son? Is that what we're

2331
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 2: supposed to believe here.

2332
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe that's right. And Gonzaga is a you've

2333
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 3: heard of Gonzaga. I'm sure they like you drive by

2334
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 3: their campus. It's right on North Capitol Street for folks

2335
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 3: who don't know. It literally bisects the big Capitol building

2336
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,759
Speaker 3: you always see on like movies and whatever, the dome

2337
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 3: with the Freedom Tower on top of the statue. It

2338
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 3: literally is right in front of that on North Capitol,

2339
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 3: across the street basically from Union Station or almost like

2340
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 3: cat A Corner. It's off off of H and North

2341
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 3: Capital and uh, and it's got this giant football field

2342
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 3: like it's it's just this academic and like sporting powerhouse.

2343
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 3: I think it's an all boys school. I only ever

2344
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 3: see dudes going into it, and they they dominate them in.

2345
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 3: Damatha and a couple other ones in the area are

2346
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 3: some of the big, big, big powerhouses.

2347
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 2: Shout out to the rip Morgan Wooten Luke right Morgan, Yes,

2348
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: very Dutch name. No, Damatha's I mean that he was

2349
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 2: the coach for like fifty years, right, No.

2350
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: I know, but like the I think the term the

2351
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 1: name Wooten has origins in Dutch. That's what I'm saying okay.

2352
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure Victor Wooten was Dutch to Luke, I'm sure.

2353
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 2: What do you think about this guy as a look,

2354
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:01,679
Speaker 2: what is the okay, why what is a US Merchant

2355
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 2: Marine Academy? And why is this guy going into the Navy.

2356
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't get how those two are.

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01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: I am, I am not. The Merchant Marines have nothing

2358
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: to do with the Marine Corps. It's a separate thing.

2359
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 1: I don't know who they really are. They I think

2360
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 1: they have because of the way shipping works internationally and

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01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 1: like the way in which the waterways work that there

2362
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 1: has to be some coordination between military and then just

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01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 1: logistical operations. And I think these are on sort of

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01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 1: the logistical side of the Department of Defense. So they

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01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: are related, but they're not really like they're not war

2366
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 1: fighters in that way. They're more supply logistics. But that

2367
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: can be obviously have you know, security implications as well.

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01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:39,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, like it's you know, being an officer in

2369
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 1: the Naval Reserve.

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Speaker 3: You do that for twenty years, man, you're going to

2371
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 3: be You're gonna be in good shape by the end

2372
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 3: of that in terms of the rest of your life.

2373
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, good for him. Congratulations, kick ass and go

2374
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: help the United States.

2375
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 2: Thank you Alex and Gary for sharing your love of

2376
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 2: this show with the rest of the Merchant Marines there.

2377
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 2: We appreciate it, and best of luck, Gary or Alex,

2378
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 2: whichever one of you was younger. Go get it the man,

2379
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 2: go go out there. Okay, an MK spirit right rock

2380
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 2: out with your out there we go. Hey, let's hear

2381
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 2: from Anthony. Is that little Anthony? Yes, yes, yes.

2382
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 1: So look by the way, a normal sized person is

2383
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 1: well past the top of the letters.

2384
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 2: I just okay, we're gonna do hype jokes now on

2385
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 2: one of the nicest fans we have, Luke. It's Anthony

2386
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 2: and V. I think it's Look, how would you pronounce V?

2387
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 2: I is a V or V?

2388
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 1: I'm miss spell it V I the letter V the

2389
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 1: letter I. That's it.

2390
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously it's short probably for like Vivian

2391
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 2: or something.

2392
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be V.

2393
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 3: It'd be like, like, for example, my my daughter like

2394
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 3: the gringo way to say it is vio letter.

2395
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 1: But that's not how you pronounced it. It's v o letta.

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01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so hey, it's Anthony and V. Checking in from

2397
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 2: I f W. One year later, we came back to

2398
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,720
Speaker 2: the scene of the crime, but we were sad that

2399
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,560
Speaker 2: there were no houses. There was not only no Margarita's,

2400
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 2: there were no real souls, no beer chugging challenges, and

2401
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 2: no learning listening difficulties for those in attendance. Stay well boys,

2402
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 2: MK for life, Luke. These people are so nice. Yes,

2403
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 2: I actually believe they would allow us to be present,

2404
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 2: maybe not with don cameras filming for the for the

2405
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 2: conception and delivery of their baby, Luke, because they're gonna

2406
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 2: have MK's first baby, these two, I believe they will,

2407
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 2: which childhood's.

2408
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know which one.

2409
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a very weird way to put how

2410
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 3: intimate the relationship between them and us is.

2411
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: I will just say this BC.

2412
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 2: I'm camel uh Little Anthony A great dude, Luke, great guy,

2413
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:31,679
Speaker 2: have metal.

2414
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry about I'm just doing a bit. I'm just

2415
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 3: doing a bit. I'm not in any way trying to

2416
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 3: be at all serious.

2417
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 2: Please, is this a shot taking, Luke? This is a

2418
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 2: roast culture we live in here. People, Okay, thank you.

2419
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 1: People get that, son, Some people don't, you know.

2420
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, Luke, I got called up for misogyny over

2421
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:49,720
Speaker 2: the over the last couple of days too. I've been

2422
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 2: hurting a lot of people by accident, Luke. Shitty comedy

2423
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 2: gets shitty comedy gets us in trouble here a lot.

2424
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 2: I guess you know what I mean. I mean, isn't

2425
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 2: it obvious I love women, Luke? Isn't that obvious?

2426
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 3: Well, the question is not whether you love women. The

2427
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 3: question is for what reasons and in what way you

2428
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 3: can love women and still not be great to them?

2429
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: But I know what you love.

2430
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 2: I love one woman, Luke. Thank you. Let's hear from Jeff.

2431
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 2: He says, Hey, gents, with all the restrictions you can

2432
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,720
Speaker 2: put on your social media feeds, how come we have

2433
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:19,240
Speaker 2: yet to have a power slap filter. I follow the

2434
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:23,679
Speaker 2: UFC for UFC content not to see at Ena Marie

2435
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 2: Daniels promote the CTE Slaptck League all the best. Jeff, Wow,

2436
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 2: this is great, dude.

2437
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 1: That is so funny. And that's what I keep trying

2438
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:34,200
Speaker 1: to explain to people.

2439
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 3: It's like, Yo, if you don't want to watch it,

2440
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 3: don't And I'm like, guys, I'm literally trying very hard,

2441
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 3: like very difficult for me to apparently get this to stop.

2442
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 1: And on the media side, you guys don't even get it.

2443
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,799
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, I get like the bare bones amounts

2444
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:51,679
Speaker 3: of emails from UFCPR staff about announcements. I get all

2445
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 3: of them, all of them for power Slap, man, It's

2446
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 3: all crazy how much they push that into my inbox

2447
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 3: in a way they don't push any of their other content.

2448
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Let me assure you, yeah, I I I'm sick of it, Luke.

2449
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 3: You see, would power Slap make this weekend's card better

2450
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 3: or worse?

2451
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about power Slap anymore? Okay, really,

2452
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,760
Speaker 2: I mean for for how much it kills on social Luke,

2453
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 2: and it's you know it is. It does do better

2454
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 2: traffic than all the other sports combined. They do a

2455
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:28,599
Speaker 2: lot of shoving of it down the down the Uh well, hey,

2456
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 2: you got to max it out. Hey, let's hear from Brian.

2457
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:32,879
Speaker 2: He says, I love MK and I've been a listener

2458
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 2: for years. The show is insightful, smart and entertaining and

2459
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 2: have you seen the shit segment is one of my favorites.

2460
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 2: But I gotta be honest. Having Luke make mouth fart

2461
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 2: noises into a microphone to transition into that segment is

2462
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 2: lazy and it kind of sucks ass. So I decided

2463
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 2: to compose, perform, record mix, and send you all a

2464
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 2: short but absurd piece of music for that transition. You

2465
01:49:57,439 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 2: can find a wave file attached below. Please let me

2466
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 2: know if you have trouble uploading. Blah blah blah. The

2467
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 2: music is royalty free and you can use it for perpetuity. Look,

2468
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 2: this is an attempt at donk Brian making a new

2469
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 2: theme song for Have you seen this shit? Let's listen

2470
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 2: to it. Sold.

2471
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 1: If we don't turn it to that, the show should

2472
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 1: be canceled tomorrow.

2473
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Brian Sold, you got me, you got it,

2474
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:29,599
Speaker 2: You got it right there.

2475
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 3: That's the new one. That's the new one. Make a

2476
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:35,600
Speaker 3: note on this day, at this time. We now have

2477
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 3: a new thing for the intro.

2478
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 1: There you go.

2479
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 2: Look what do you do? You deem to be our

2480
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:46,040
Speaker 2: greatest song related contribution in MK history? Is it? Is

2481
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,600
Speaker 2: it Luke and BC make it look easy? Or is

2482
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:52,599
Speaker 2: it when Damo o'hanna wrote and record the Uh you

2483
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 2: can dance? If I asked you to dance? Will you

2484
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 2: laugh at all my dick jokes? Tell me this?

2485
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2486
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:04,760
Speaker 2: Will you watch vul Holloway and Vulcan? I mean look

2487
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 2: that song is so good.

2488
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 1: Right, it is very good. It's well done.

2489
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 2: That's the ending of donk Youmentary number two. I don't

2490
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 2: know if we'll ever see another documentary, but we had

2491
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 2: a good run there.

2492
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 1: Let's hear footage. We have footage.

2493
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's Melissa. She says, just thought this was funny.

2494
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 2: Not sure if Lucer BC saw it.

2495
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 1: He's packing a hog too?

2496
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,600
Speaker 2: What is going on in this, Luke, I don't understand.

2497
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 3: This, okay, so let me just just just before you

2498
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,720
Speaker 3: take the thing down, just look at the bottom what

2499
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,679
Speaker 3: Andre Feeley wrote true story the best striking coach in MMA.

2500
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 3: He's packing a hog too. Basically what had happened was

2501
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 3: on my life chat. Someone asked me about like a coach,

2502
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 3: and I've been. I explained that, like, I've been very

2503
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 3: lucky to interview almost all the biggest coaches in MMA,

2504
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 3: like several times, in fact, have been very lucky. But

2505
01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 3: one of them I haven't interviewed as a guy who

2506
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 3: goes by the name of Kirie and Fitzgibbons, who runs

2507
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:02,719
Speaker 3: what you see there see and say Jim So someone

2508
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 3: he took a the video of me talking about him,

2509
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 3: and that said, hey, if anybody knows him, I'd be

2510
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 3: happy to chat with him.

2511
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 1: We've actually connected since then.

2512
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:14,439
Speaker 3: And then somewhere in the comments, Andre Feeley just tells

2513
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 3: everyone he's got a big asshog.

2514
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 2: So okay, that's fantastic, that is great.

2515
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 1: Did it's a roundabout way of saying that.

2516
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 2: Well, I know you also saw that coach Craig Jones

2517
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 2: took our flowers we sent at him at the two

2518
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 2: ninety post fight show and put it up, but left

2519
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 2: in the no spears comment Luke, this guy's like, you know, hey,

2520
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm dude. I do like when he wears that Fox

2521
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 2: Catcher T shirt and does his podcast.

2522
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 1: Look he is he is something else man, and I do.

2523
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 1: I've said this before.

2524
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 3: If you look at the names of his instructions BC,

2525
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:51,920
Speaker 3: like I swear to god, they're.

2526
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: All like power bottom like and the guard is that

2527
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: the whole instructionals back like like the title is crazy,

2528
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 1: but then the instructional is actually about how to like

2529
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, work your guard or whatever. Or He's got

2530
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: all these names that like, you know, another one is

2531
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: like for takedown defense, just stand up, just stand up,

2532
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 1: like jiu jitsu doesn't work, just stand up. He's got

2533
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:15,640
Speaker 1: this real weird sense. But I'm telling you, folks, if

2534
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:17,519
Speaker 1: you go and you watch what he actually has to

2535
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 1: say when he's being serious, it will blow your mind.

2536
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:21,599
Speaker 1: Blow your mind truly.

2537
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's hear from Mike. He says, Hello, MK.

2538
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 2: It's one thing for Luke to defend Izzy. It's a

2539
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,280
Speaker 2: whole other thing to bathe with him.

2540
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:35,720
Speaker 1: Though, feeling fresh, Luke, feeling real clean, manscaped. I don't

2541
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 1: quite get this, but.

2542
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I think people, I think this is the basis

2543
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 2: of the debate we had the other day that that

2544
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 2: got me labeled Luke.

2545
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 3: Is I don't understand how someone can watch what I

2546
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:50,559
Speaker 3: is he did. I get being like it's gross and

2547
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 3: I don't want any part of it. I understand that,

2548
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 3: I get. What I don't understand is why can't people

2549
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 3: also understand what I found it fucking hilarious? Because I

2550
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:59,559
Speaker 3: cannot be the only one who found it.

2551
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's why I called it out to

2552
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 2: sort of challenge your one sided is he super fandom?

2553
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 2: To sort of poke at you because the fans wanted it.

2554
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 2: But what I don't like, Luke is I get a

2555
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 2: lot of tweets saying if you're a white guy and

2556
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 2: you didn't like what is he said? Then you're you know,

2557
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 2: you're outing yourself as a racist.

2558
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: No, that's not true, that's not true. Yeah, I don't

2559
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 1: agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't

2560
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 1: think that's true.

2561
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 3: But I also feel like it's like if you also

2562
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 3: found it funny that he's sitting there calling a white

2563
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 3: guy the N word, It's like, sorry, it's kind of absurd.

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Speaker 2: It's funny, like, by the way, in front of Mel Gibson,

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01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:36,600
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, Dana White and Guy Fieri. Yeah, like what

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01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, it's just coplical, It really is, Samuel says,

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01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 2: long time, first time?

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01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 4: Is it just me?

2569
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 2: Where it's Professor Salt and Pepper slowly morphing into teen

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01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:48,839
Speaker 2: Wolf's dad before our eyes. Thanks for all the entertainment.

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01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 2: And they're using the uh, they're using the famous office

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01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 2: meme of they're the same picture. Look, this would not

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01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 2: be the first time so someone has made that joke.

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01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 2: And didn't a pro fighter make that joke about you

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01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 2: one time?

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01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh my god, oh my god, I.

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01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 2: Will you and I you know, we we got fat

2578
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 2: and happy off of our early success. And when you

2579
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 2: go back and look at Doncumentaries number two and three.

2580
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 2: We're just fat pieces of crap. Back then, when you

2581
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 2: really let yourself go, there was a resemblance. But you've

2582
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 2: done the work.

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01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: Luke.

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01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 2: You're back to You're beyond Dodge Omney days. Now you

2585
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:25,880
Speaker 2: are beyond that.

2586
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm past Dodge Omney. I'm up to Dodge Neon. That's

2587
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 1: really where I've got.

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01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, I drove a brand new Dodge Neon. You

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01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 2: did nine Yeah, the headway.

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01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 3: That's such a great zing and I feel so terrible

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01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 3: that I have no comeback other than Jesus.

2592
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm ugly, but yes, it's very Luke.

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01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 2: You're very I'm sure you're a very good looking man

2594
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 2: to women that watch.

2595
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 1: Twenty years ago I had, I had a day, and

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01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 1: that day has passed.

2597
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 2: That day has passed. Allen W has got a big one.

2598
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 2: I think we got to run that on next week.

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01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, though, for everyone sending it in Morning Combat at

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01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 2: gmail dot com.

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01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 1: Oh what is this?

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01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 2: Mikey?

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01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 1: And from Allan?

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01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, we got at least partially here from Alan.

2605
01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:10,880
Speaker 1: The Luke.

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01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,920
Speaker 3: The look Luke gives BC after eating Taco bell and

2607
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 3: being trapped in a confined space.

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01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,920
Speaker 1: Yes I did, yes, yes, no.

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01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 2: We did drive to Atlantic City together in row eight.

2610
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember the flatulence at tackle though. I think

2611
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 2: you held back, Luke.

2612
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: It was nice of you. You're right, I did. I

2613
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 1: wait until we got out of the car.

2614
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 2: And just just yeah, yeah, that was great. And then

2615
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 2: Luke East. Here's what Allan says. He says, I'm not

2616
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 2: calling Luke fat Man, and while he's washed out of shape,

2617
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 2: there's a significance to the names.

2618
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 1: Talking about the bombs fat man and little Boy.

2619
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, I hope you're as excited as I am.

2620
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 2: Send youor Luke Thomas to see Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer film.

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01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 1: That's great, Alan, that is amazing.

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01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you Morning Combat at gmail dot com. That's it, right, Mikey,

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01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,160
Speaker 2: We're good. That's it. That's it.

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01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 1: One more, he says, Oh yes, oh no, we're done. Okay,

2625
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 1: there we go.

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01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you very much. That's all I got

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01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 2: for you today. This is probably the best two hours

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01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:12,560
Speaker 2: of the week anyone's had, probably right.

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01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:16,040
Speaker 3: Here, probably probably maybe France has had a better two

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01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 3: hours this week than this one. But you know, other

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01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:23,080
Speaker 3: than that, not really. Let's remind everyone, Hey Friday, we're back.

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01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 3: We'll do some okay, bet yeah, I don't know what

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01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:27,680
Speaker 3: else is going on. It's a bit of a quiet

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01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:30,480
Speaker 3: week after a bit of a quiet coming weekend after

2635
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 3: some craziness from last week.

2636
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 1: But there you have it.

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01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 3: A reminder YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat, where you

2638
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 3: can get all of your extra coverage. Give us a

2639
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 3: next review on your favorite podcast platform, thumbs up, hit subscribe,

2640
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 3: give us the social graphic one more time, Mikey, if

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01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:46,800
Speaker 3: you can let the folks see this on social again.

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01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 3: I've noticed some uptick on TikTok's where a little extra

2643
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:52,440
Speaker 3: action is happening. So you can go check us out

2644
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 3: on TikTok right down there, and of course you can

2645
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 3: follow me NBC Showtime Morningcombat dot store all that good stuff.

2646
01:57:58,240 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 3: Email the show for Dead Wrongs morning. I'm back at

2647
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,960
Speaker 3: gmail dot com, morn in Combat at gmail dot com.

2648
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:04,520
Speaker 3: BC any final thoughts.

2649
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:07,720
Speaker 2: N That's about it. I gotta go to the bathroom

2650
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,760
Speaker 2: really bad. Thanks for watching, all right?

2651
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: Well for captain uh oh, by the way, hold on

2652
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:13,680
Speaker 1: BC before you go. BC.

2653
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm still here.

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01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:16,040
Speaker 1: Listen, listen.

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01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:20,200
Speaker 3: I was showing Violetta some footage of US on MK

2656
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:23,080
Speaker 3: and she pointed at the screen and said, Uncle Gringo.

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01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes.

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01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 3: That actually happened. That really happened. Yes, Uncle Gringo. So

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01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:32,120
Speaker 3: you have now a title. There you go for Uncle

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01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 3: Gringo aka Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys

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01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 3: so much for watching. Thanks to Mikey Morms on the

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01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 3: Ones and two the CBS Sports. We appreciate you and

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01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 3: we're out. We'll see you guys on Friday. Until next time,

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Speaker 3: they all of your gains