WEBVTT - I Hope So - PART 2 (S5 E1 "Say Goodbye to Daisy Miller") 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:18.000 I am all in. Oh, I am all in with 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.760 Scott Patterson an I Heeart radio podcast. All right, hey, everybody, 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.599 he's Scott Patterson animal in podcast part two of Say 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.920 Goodbye to Daisy Miller. We are we are running running 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.040 hot in the mouth, as they say, as we haven't 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:34.479 gotten very part in the episode, but we have a 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.600 lot to say about it, a lot better language. Dean's 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:42.080 a butt log in this next scene. He's a real 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:48.160 poople head stop it. Can I say he's a man 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:52.240 and he's confused? No, he was, He is not a man. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.800 He is a little boy himself. Later, but he was mean. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.240 He was so mean to Lindsay. He cut them out 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:06.440 with a smile. You answered my phone. He's so mad. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.160 I wrote jerk, jerk, and he's like, you don't get it, 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.679 do you? You have no respect? And it's like, Dean, 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:18.840 you literally just slept with someone. He's projecting how she 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.680 should feel about him, you know what I mean, Like 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:28.280 what I wrote, he feels terrible, he feels like he 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.600 wants to get out of that relationship. He feels guilty 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.560 as hell, and he should. He feels awful. He's you know, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.399 and that's a little bit of hayten On Lindsay, because 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.720 he's in this situation. He's angry at himself for being 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.119 in this situation. He's in a marriage he doesn't want 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.840 to be in and he just did something he shouldn't 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.240 have done. I have a question for you that. So 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.040 he's angry at himself and he's angry at her, and 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.600 he's angry at the world, and that's how it comes out, 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.000 you know. You know, in the last episode, we discuss 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:03.160 how that opening scene was from Dean's perspective, and we 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.640 saw at the end of that opening scene that Dean 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:11.160 is outside the door and Lorala goes like he's married, 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:15.320 and he gets upset and he you know, runs back home. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.400 How do you think him coming back home would have been? 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.840 Like if Loralai said said something like I'm happy for 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.440 you that it was Dean, Like, how do you think 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.320 that would have changed? Because I do feel when Lorelai 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.960 said that, like, but he's married, because that's when he 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.600 decided to storm off. Is really what ticked him off. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.200 I didn't think about that until you just said it. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.320 But part of me is like, I think he's mad 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:41.240 that he went he got married, Like I think he's mad. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:46.240 I think so too. Yeah, and let's not forget how 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:54.120 much he loved Rory when they were first dating. And yes, man, 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.040 he built her a car. He Rory has always been 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:05.120 his all and everything, always always, and his heart got shattered. 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.720 He was devastated when she dumped him, and we all 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.480 knew this was a bad idea getting married. We all 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.240 knew it. And now he's got her back. And listen, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:22.600 I'm not advocating for adultery. It's awful, it's terrible, it's painful, 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.640 but let's not forget story wise how I mean, he's 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.680 never fallen out of love with her, and he's that's true, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.680 to get past it. And he met somebody else and 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.760 he attempted to do this and start a new life 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.880 because he accepted it. But now you know, it got reignited. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:48.000 Let's not let's not cream this guy, you know, for 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.200 being a human being. You know, he's he got he 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:56.600 got weak, he did a dumb thing, a hurtful thing. Um, 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.960 and there's always redemption, right, I mean, we can't judge 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.200 this guy. I agree, he can totally be redeemed. But 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.560 let's see how what he does next, right, because right now, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.480 throughout this episode, I'm more pissed because look, we're gonna 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.600 break it down. But first I get the scene of 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.080 Dean being a total ass, right, and he's just awful 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.479 to Lindsay. Then I get the scene where Rory needs 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.240 to talk to him, and there they are at Miss 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.360 Patties and they're trying to have a conversation with suddenly 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.960 they're doing it again. Then I get the scene of 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.240 now she's made him the pot roast or whatever it is, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.040 and it's the it's the Warden June Cleaver over there, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.839 just all happy and in love, and I'm just like, yeah, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.120 what is going on? Dean is a mess. He's in 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.600 a bad spot. He got himself in a bad Spotty 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.240 got he got. He fell in love with Rory Gilmore, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:54.680 fell hard, never fell out of love, accepted defeat, he 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:59.800 put his best foot forward. He's a sensitive, sweet, considerate, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:04.000 caring guy. I mean, what an example of a great boyfriend. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.920 And then they sort of downgraded, Oh, he's a great 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.479 first boyfriend. He's not for you, he's not going to Yale, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.760 he's not Ivy League, he's not this you know. Yeah, 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.760 And it's like, you know what, maybe that's exactly what 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.320 she needed because they she loves him and they have 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.240 a real chemistry and they I mean they it's like 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.360 they should be together, if that's how they feel they 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.560 should be together. Sure, he was a great boyfriend to Rory. 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:37.760 He's an atrocious husband. Atrocious Okay. So so you think 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.680 present behavior dictates a future behavior you think he's gonna 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.240 think if you think if he was with Rory and 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.840 they got married and everything was well, he's a great question. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.560 That's a really good question. I don't I think he'd 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:56.120 be upset he if he if he managed to marry her, 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.280 to be worthy enough of a Gilmore to marry I 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.440 mean without a degree from the Ivy League and acceptable 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.320 to Richard and Emily in their DNA. You know, if 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.520 he if he managed to crawl out of his slime 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.479 and be accepted, you know, by the Guildmars, you know, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:16.880 he would have stayed true to her his whole life. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:21.720 That I think You're right. Marriages it was they are 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.800 so good together and he is so But you know 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:32.880 what's funny, I think Rory would find herself in dean situation. Yeah, yeah, Danielle, correct, 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.120 say again, say again, sorry. I think Rory would find 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.640 herself in Dean situation where she's an atrocious wife to 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:44.159 him because he doesn't fill her cut. Let's not forget 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.200 why they broke up, you know. I mean, I think 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.479 she likes the idea of him. I don't think she's 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.440 still in love with him, you guys, she said it herself. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.640 She feels safe around him, and that's what she needs 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:58.479 right now, like she needs safety. So she's strong, very 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.680 solved to a life. I think. So. I don't think 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:07.480 we're a few short episodes away from meeting Okay, okay, listen, 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:15.320 listen how many times I have to remove my camp Yeah, 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:20.560 I don't. Y'all make really good points in that. I 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.680 think you're both right. I think you're right, Scott that 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.679 he would have been an amazing husband to Rory, even 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.920 even as young, even if they got married young. And 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.480 I think Danielle's right that Rory wouldn't she would have 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.320 stuck it out. She wouldn't have stuck it out with 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.760 she she she didn't with Jess, meaning she didn't stick 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.880 it out with Dean. When Jess rolled in. Now, she 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:48.280 wasn't exactly as doing what Dean's doing, but like no, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.520 she fell for Jess. It was still pretty bad. I mean, 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.000 like for for high school terms. You know, like they're 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.160 a little bit older, so it's the stakes are higher. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.120 But you know, like she was, she was still like 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.960 sneaking around with Jess. Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, and 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.720 I it's just hard for me to suddenly, now that 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.840 we get to see Lindsay in a better light, you know, 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.040 now have all the sympathy for It's just like it 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.000 just feels too contrived for me. It's like set her 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.160 up better for me, makes the conflict, make make it 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.800 harder for those two to get together and allow me 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:28.400 to feel you know this, this this trepidation and this 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.360 anxiety that that Rory and Dean are getting together. It's 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.199 like I've been feeling this before they hooked up, like 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.800 I have been feeling somebody for for Lindsay for the 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.560 last at least four episodes, all right, she wasn't developed, 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:43.640 there was much of her, and when she didn't see her, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.800 she was being kind of antagonistic and impatient. She was 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.560 she was antagonistic Scotts, right, But then even when she 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.360 was trying, she was like just trying so hard to 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.400 make the perfect tune of sandwich instead of really like 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.640 develop the relationship and like her mom was way too 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.640 involved there, and I feel like Dean didn't help Dean 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.000 didn't help her. He's like, oh, like Lindsay wants me 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.760 to work so she can get Like he didn't paint 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.040 her in the best light either. Yeah, I don't know. 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.040 I sniffed through Dean's comments like that means there's something 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.720 deeper going on behind the scenes at the Lindsay Dean 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.040 house that ain't so great. No, that's that's how I 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.720 read it. I said, this, this marriage is terrible. All 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.960 they do was fight totally what I got out of it. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.800 And that's the information I got at the very land scene. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.559 Let's not fight. All we do was fight, you know, yeah, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.280 because yeah, you're right, you know it's but that's because 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.280 Dean's a grumpasaurus around her, Like all he does is 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.280 grumpy and is like I'm working when he's banging another chick. Okay, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:44.559 So so there's here's here's the question. This Gilmore Girls debuts, 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.480 you know, four years ago, and this is season five 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.080 and this day and age with cancel culture, do you 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.920 think this show gets a different reaction than it got 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.440 back then. Do you think that this stuff is even 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.240 written into the script. Do you think that the fan 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.360 base reacts in the same way. How do you think 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:08.480 they react? I think it'd be written the same way. Yeah, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.360 how do you think it'd be received? Though? That's a question. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:20.880 Maybe I'm processing. It's a really good it's a really 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.920 good question. When did when did we become as a 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:31.480 society so judgmental of everybody else's actions. I don't think 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.480 we've been doing that. It's a tale as old as time. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.439 Wasn't everybody all judge on Elizabeth Taylor back in the 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:43.640 day when she when her guy was married to Debbie Reynolds. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.880 To me, it's all the same. Yeah, everybody's been always 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:50.920 like this, and everybody loves to just have social media. Now, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.120 that's what I'm gonna say. It's like you can go 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.640 on Twitter and tweet like, you know, last week's episode 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.720 of Gilmore Girls, this happened. I didn't like it. And 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.800 it's like, I think the broader que right, you're exactly so, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.680 I think the broader Questions has social media enough that 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:08.320 we're going a little off the right rank. But what 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.320 kind of an effect does social media have on the 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.680 artistic choices of writers and studios and networks About the 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:21.679 content they put in their shows. Let me throw that 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:27.760 thing to you, just like this. In nineteen ninety three, 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:37.000 people were up in arms over Kelly Dylan Brenda on 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:42.120 nine two one zero, losing their minds. I'm team Kelly, 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.520 I'm team Brenda. I mean it was venomous hate. So 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.360 to me, people just love watching shows and sort of 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.000 having their input about these characters. So I would say 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.160 if it was today, I think I would feel the 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.440 same way because I look, I like Rory and Dean together. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.520 I'm not even mad they're kind of doing it at 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:09.600 Miss Patti's although it's not great. I think my feelings 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.840 today would be exactly how they were twenty years ago. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:18.040 I don't know. I think it's more of a in 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.440 today's society. It's more of a conversation because of social media, 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.240 Like you can have that back and forth with people, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.760 when back then you'd call your friend and be like, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.600 oh my god, you watched last night's episode. You have 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:32.160 the conversation. Hang up doesn't come yet? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:33.880 yeah yeah. I know. That's the one thing is the 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.559 conversations live on forever. Now you can always go back 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.160 and revisit it. There's always people chiming in. Yeah, a 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.760 month later, you know, well, Jean Jean's character who got 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:49.640 you know, I wouldn't say left at the altar, but almost. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.079 I mean he was ready to trying to lock her 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.720 down for life. That was his girl, he wanted to 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:01.240 have babies with her, and that he wasn't looking anybody else. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.640 And uh, you know, so if you will indulge me 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:11.120 to an abrupt conversation, change going back to Luke and 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.880 let's go back to Kirk's rear end. Yeah, speak, I 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.800 so where do you all stand? And I actually I 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.120 love that Suky did go to Lorelai and tell her 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.960 that she knew. I don't think she could have held 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.480 that in and I don't even think that would have 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.280 been the right thing to do. I love that she says, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.920 you're not going to die alone. I love that whole 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.040 scene too. I think your right, Scott, that Melissa was 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.520 such an important glue in this episode. I love that 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:43.760 she thought they had sex on the table is what 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:50.720 Luke couldn't do. Yeah, I would have gone to my 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.400 best friend too, So I feel like it was it 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:57.160 just made sense. Yeah, I agree, and it also okay, 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.160 so then we're going to have another parallel speaking of 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.200 best friends, which will we get too. I am irritated. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.240 I will say the only thing irritating me in this 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.880 episode is really Rory doubling tripling down, being so kind 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.960 of mad at Laurel over what Rory did. It's like, 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.160 can they not make up? Lorelie is trying so hard, 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.839 let's talk about it, or it's just you you you know, 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.960 and it's just like that part. I'm a little Yeah, 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.080 she's being a little a little braddy. I do remember 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.640 being that age, and like, I mean, I understand like 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.200 Lorelye and Rory are best friends, but like I remember 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.880 being that age being like I don't want to talk 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.840 to your mom about this, like please leave me alone. Also, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.600 she it's fair for you, but it seems un Rory 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.240 and Laurel. Yeah, I think it's also like it's her. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.360 She just finished her freshman year of college. She was 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.800 living on her own. Now she's back, and maybe she 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.600 has this like different perspective of like I'm an adult 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.080 and I can make my own decisions, but Laura la 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:56.080 still try to like mother her in a sense. Yeah, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.520 all right, well we'll keep it that but Scott, let's 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.800 talk about the scene with you on the phone at 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.080 the diner, and you go back into your stock room 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.280 and Lorela hides in the closet with the dog, and 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.680 you have that conversation that's sort of starting to go 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:16.360 in a weird direction. And then well, I think Laurel says, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.760 we kissed. This is one of favorite scene. It was 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:24.680 a great kiss. You concur like we It took us 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.280 a second with the get moving in the but we 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:32.680 got there and we have this amazing conversation and she 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.080 doesn't want to forget it. What's what's your question? Just 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:43.760 what did you think of that scene? Um? Cute? You 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.320 know the culmination of dreams, right, it's it's Luke's car 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.160 times ten times ten. Oh, I mean it was Luke 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.760 in that scene. I mean seeing Laurela opened to it 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.040 and vulnerable in that way towards Lucas. You know, that's 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.200 four years of coming or eight years a coming. It 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.360 might be hard for you to see it because you 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:13.280 are Luke. But I think, as like a fan, this 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.960 is where I'm just like Lucas the guy, Like, yeah, 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:22.120 because he's so cute, he's so charming, but he's such 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:27.000 a good guy. Yeah. I'm probably the least qualified person 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.920 on the planet to opine on this. It's like because 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.240 this is where but I didn't watch it as a 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.920 fan over the last twenty three years and store up 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.880 all these feelings and towards it or because of it. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.680 I'm myself from this. Ask good other fans, I mean, 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.680 fans can chime in and tell me if they relate. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.040 But I think because I'm very close in age to Loreli, right, Like, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:54.080 I'm just a bit younger, so I really related, going 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.240 like I want a looke? Where's my looke? Like? And 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.760 he really is guy. Yeah. And I loved in this 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.720 scene that they were both so busy right, like, lord, 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.000 I was busy with Taylor's shoe getting chewed up by 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.960 this dog. Luke is dealing with the craziness of the diner, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.639 and they both like hide in the little closet and 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.159 are like giddy, like I don't know how to explain it, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:25.080 but that's like a high school scene, you know, And 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.080 then they set up a date for tonight, Like what 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:35.119 about tonight? I was just like Luke boss reminds me 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.320 of those like when I was I don't know, first dating, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.520 thirteen fourteen, whatever, you have a crush on a girl, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.000 and the big deal was like calling the girl, yeah 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:49.560 right hoping, don't answer right hoping, And you know we 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.879 got those rotary phones, so you're dialing the number and 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.280 it's ringing, and you talked to her, and yeah, that's 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.280 kind of what it felt like. I just think one 0:17:58.320 --> 0:17:59.720 of my things about Luke and I Love is like, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:05.399 Luke is not pulling some dumb guy crap. He calls 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.359 her right away. He's like tonight, Like even when he 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.359 walked her home and they have that sort of romantic 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.280 magic pull moment, he's like, let's go to the movies. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.000 He's not playing games right now, but he's not. He's 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.480 being pushy without being pushy. He's moving, he's moving the 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.080 ball forward without being obnoxious about it exactly. He's he's 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.680 like not being how some guys are. Oh, I better 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.080 wait three days to call her shop. A lot of 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.760 men really need that book. If the Going Girls like 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.440 creators are really smart, they would have published that book. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:43.760 You know, that's really smart. Like the next time they 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.680 do something on the lot, it's like exclusive of the book. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.840 But they wouldn't want have done that. Then my character 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.679 would have been ramped up to her to pay me more. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.040 Than and okay, we're talking about We're talking about Luke 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:56.760 and Lorel, even though we're going out of order a 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.639 little bit, but it makes sense. Again, Luke does the 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.639 right He's always getting it right because even though he 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.439 gets called out of town because Liz is hurt and 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:07.880 she got he's got to go take care of Liz 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.080 and TJ. Not only does he call her five times 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.040 and leave all the messages because he's such a good dude, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:19.320 he got a cell phone. A cell phone because he's 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.760 now in a relationship where somebody needs to be able 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.760 to reach him. Well, he's he's joined the modern world 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:35.359 where he's he wants to communicate, he wants to communicate. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:42.159 And I really Luke is a real likable dude and 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.000 he always has been, but now he's just full a 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.600 game where you're just like this guy. That's why you 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:52.520 make greatest kisses of all time on television. It's not 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.480 just the kiss. Yeah, I thought I was going No, 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:02.760 that's not who the characters were up to the kiss, 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.560 and then after the kiss, because it wouldn't be a 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.040 great kiss if he suddenly dumped her the next day. 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.320 So I have two questions why does Rory use the payphone? 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.360 Oh my god, thank you so much for bringing that up, 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.840 because I literally thought for five seconds she was going 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.080 to call Jess and because that's what she uses to 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.400 call Jess. Yeah, but then I thought about it. She 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.960 didn't want Lindsay to call back because Lindsay's answering his phone. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.640 She didn't want him to call back, and I talked too. 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:31.840 It's like she doesn't. I mean, I don't remember if 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.120 there was caller I d back then, but there must 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.639 have been from the cell phone. They're probably from the 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.480 cell phone to cell phone. Yeah, so that was interesting. 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.480 And did you all notice that Dean is fully wearing 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:55.600 his ring, his wedding ring, addies Yes, yep, yep, so bad. 0:20:56.000 --> 0:21:01.679 It's bad. Then we go to the scene that I 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:06.840 quite like with Lane, where I thought the Lane Rory 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:11.040 sort of conversation was exactly how two best friends at 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.840 that age would talk. Lane's a great friend. She's really 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:20.479 not coming with judgment. She's coming with like understanding and 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.040 wanting to have that conversation and how was it? And 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.120 you know, Rory says he's married, and she says, I know, 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:32.200 you know, she's very empathetic sympathetic all the things. She 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.639 was like excited with her, but then also was like 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.119 I need to rationalize this a bit, and like you know, 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.040 and I love how she had the band practice on hold, 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.680 like this is a nine one one best friend emergency 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.200 and they start playing and she gets mad. They really 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:53.359 that seemed again, very like how two best friends are. Yeah, 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.959 got news for you. That's how you get kicked out 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:02.240 of a band right there. You start pulling that BIS 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.160 and it's like you're gone. They'll replace you. They were 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.600 irritated by it. Well they should be. I mean, that's 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.360 band practice time. That's sacred man. And Lane doesn't want 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.199 her to talk to Loralai, but it's not an option. 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:18.760 All I have to say is where the heck is 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:23.720 missus Kim, because they needed some laughs at that point. Yeah. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.000 Well we go from that back to the end where 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.359 Emily just showed up for lunch, which actually I did 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:34.240 at I did too, because the whole you left. Well, 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.960 so I was hoping for a less than frightened reaction 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.760 because I knew that was coming, and I was praying like, 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.880 don't do that, Please don't do that. Just look at her, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:49.359 it'll be please don't and then when it came, it 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:52.359 came bigger than I dreaded. I mean, it was just 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.920 a fair criticism. It was it was like you saw 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.040 her there, I just just look, just look at her, 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:05.520 and that's enough. That's enough. So then we get we 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.640 sort of get to that outdoor lunch, which I thought 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.920 was beautiful, like I would love to have a nice 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:15.080 chicken salad sandwich there. But and she says the obvious, like, 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.440 oh thanks, captain, obvious that you're separated. And then what 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.240 did you think about Lorelie sort of setting up Rory 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.240 on the going on the Europe trip? Well, I mean, 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.800 I think, on its face, it's a very good idea. 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:31.040 I mean, minus the Dean stuff that wasn't even going on, 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.880 it would have still been a great idea. And even 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.399 if she was with you know, let's say she was 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.240 with a guy and they were having a great summer. 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:41.199 Still a great idea to grow to grandma, to go 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:45.600 to Europe. I mean, what what memories for a lifetime. Yeah, yeah, 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.840 I mean yeah, it's funny because I actually did go 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.480 to Europe with my grandma after my freshman year of college. 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:53.600 Me just me and my grandma, who went to Ireland 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.520 and England, and so I was thinking. I was like, 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.040 she's an adult now she can go without her mom 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.959 and like still her grandma, you know. So I for me, 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.600 I didn't think too much of it because I had 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:10.520 that experience. Um. But knowing Laurelie, she always wants to 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.520 do everything with Rory, so I think it was hard 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:16.320 for her to like give her that push, even though 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:20.359 she knows she has to just for Rory to be independent, like, 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.280 if you want to go, you can go. Yeah. I 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.360 think I think Laurel I's trying to do the right thing, 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.119 you know, by her own life, and maybe she feels 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.560 she needs a little distance and her daughter needs to 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:33.520 spread her wings, and this is just part of it. 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:36.440 It's difficult for her because she's such a she's still 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.119