Speaker 1: Now really.
Speaker 2: Really now, really well, and welcome to really no really.
Speaker 3: Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden remind you that you would
Speaker 3: be like a knight in shining armor.
Speaker 2: If you simply subscribe to our show.
Speaker 3: And speaking of knights in armor, there is a growing
Speaker 3: phenomenon in the world of extreme fighting that you might
Speaker 3: not be aware of. Sure, there's boxing, wrestling, and mixed
Speaker 3: martial arts if you're boring, But.
Speaker 1: For people who pine for something a little.
Speaker 3: More dangerous and brutal, a sport that features claboring people
Speaker 3: with a sword, a club, or even a battle axe,
Speaker 3: there is the competitive world of medieval fighting.
Speaker 2: Really no really.
Speaker 3: We were wondering why seemingly normal guys would spend thousands
Speaker 3: of dollars on chainmail and fourteenth century weaponry and travel
Speaker 3: the globe for an opportunity to fight in this brutal way.
Speaker 3: So we turned to Simon Rourick, a world champion and
Speaker 3: expert in medieval fighting. Most days, Simon is an Arizona
Speaker 3: I'm a based inventor and technology consultant, But when the
Speaker 3: sun doth rise on the tournament field, he transforms into
Speaker 3: his other persona. They're in josef Donnerbach, who's proficient in staff,
Speaker 3: axe and long sword, armored combat, close quarters fighting, and grappling.
Speaker 3: He discusses the growing appeal of medieval fighting, how it
Speaker 3: may help war veterans suffering from PTSD, and what it
Speaker 3: felt like to have a large axe embedded in his skull.
Speaker 3: Now Here are the lords of our manor Jason and Peter.
Speaker 4: Hello, pour sooth and pretty welcome to really nay, really,
Speaker 4: that's how they would.
Speaker 5: Talk if we were actually.
Speaker 6: Or or it's one of those medieval lights things and
Speaker 6: they say you want the basket and chicken, or you
Speaker 6: want to lamb leg.
Speaker 4: The only thing I remember from Renaissance fairs is if
Speaker 4: you put a dollar in the basket when they gave
Speaker 4: you the coin dog, they go.
Speaker 5: Huzza for the tipper, huzzaf. Everybody would go huzza.
Speaker 6: I thought, Oh, that's kind of curses under his breast
Speaker 6: and you're gonna walk back to the kitchen going out
Speaker 6: of wear a hat with a fellow less less.
Speaker 4: No, let'st one not pick up on our theme for
Speaker 4: the day. So today we're going to talk about this
Speaker 4: is this is a thing. So we all know, there's boxing,
Speaker 4: there's m M a there's mixed martial arts, there's all
Speaker 4: this stuff.
Speaker 5: There's wrestling and wrestling. There is a phenomena.
Speaker 6: It's growing, it's.
Speaker 4: Growing growing, it's it's out of control where people both
Speaker 4: male and female, don medieval armor or replicas of medieval armor,
Speaker 4: and with replicas of medieval weapons, swords, shields, living day
Speaker 4: of each other, beat the.
Speaker 7: Living day each other, which is a fascinating until somebody goes,
Speaker 7: either I quit or maybe.
Speaker 6: Ow we are, we are there. We got to find
Speaker 6: out the rules. So yeah, medieval combat is like the
Speaker 6: new listening. And now there was an organization that started
Speaker 6: in Europe and there's somewhere.
Speaker 5: Else when it's done. Medieval started in Europe.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, we didn't have Native Americans running around going
Speaker 4: what ho?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 6: Now it's spread. There's two organizations. And I wonder if
Speaker 6: if if you see this fighting, you won't believe it.
Speaker 6: And I got to ask our guest who's a fighter,
Speaker 6: about why and how he does it. And I also
Speaker 6: got to ask him. Supposedly, there was an incident with
Speaker 6: a Russian fighter where he was going down, but somebody
Speaker 6: reached into the ring and held.
Speaker 7: His belt so that he's he's out, but he's not
Speaker 7: going down.
Speaker 6: So like, what cheating? What this is? Like what his
Speaker 6: wife says?
Speaker 7: What you Well, that was an old medieval trick. Actually
Speaker 7: they holding the belt. They would hold a dead knight
Speaker 7: up erect and to let everybody beat the hell out
Speaker 7: of him while they came around the back.
Speaker 6: Instead of in boxing we have a cut man, you
Speaker 6: got a belt man.
Speaker 4: That's right, hold up, but sound you need a good
Speaker 4: visor guy.
Speaker 6: It found about the culture and why and how and
Speaker 6: who participation.
Speaker 4: So what this says about all of us about you know,
Speaker 4: we have a lot of combat sport, but and I
Speaker 4: know people are fascinated.
Speaker 5: You know, it's almost like role playing going back. You know,
Speaker 5: we talk about it.
Speaker 4: We have medieval times where you go have a dinner
Speaker 4: and night's joust and they do and Renaissance fairs are
Speaker 4: a huge thing, and there's a fascinating it's almost like
Speaker 4: a West World thing of dressing up and living in
Speaker 4: a different time, in a different period.
Speaker 5: But this idea of.
Speaker 4: And my son, our announcer, Noah, actually did this one
Speaker 4: time down to play here in southern California and they
Speaker 4: they they put him in armor that didn't fit. He
Speaker 4: went in and got his head handed to him. It's
Speaker 4: been months. He still has a scar. He's got a
Speaker 4: scar on his leg. It's going to be a perma.
Speaker 4: So this, you know what it's like. Dungeon and Dragon.
Speaker 4: We did an episode that it's celebrating the fiftieth anniversary. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like one.
Speaker 6: Some guy during the Dungeons and Dragons game went, why.
Speaker 5: Is this imaginary?
Speaker 6: I want to hit you and beat you with a
Speaker 6: club close to death. So we'll find out about that.
Speaker 6: But I'm just curious and we can delve into why,
Speaker 6: what this says about us, et cetera. What this is?
Speaker 6: But did you ever, if you do, you ever drawn
Speaker 6: to fight somebody? Do you ever have to really fight somebody?
Speaker 4: I have had one school fight, and when I was
Speaker 4: at school, I was on the receiving end of I
Speaker 4: wouldn't call them fights. I would call them assaults. You know,
Speaker 4: I was in grade school. But yeah, I studied martial
Speaker 4: arts for a number of years, and so I sparred
Speaker 4: regular I never competed, but I sparred in the school, and.
Speaker 5: So I have. I have struck and been struck in
Speaker 5: the name of sport.
Speaker 6: I had to punch your guy once I was going
Speaker 6: down a country road or Benjamin was in the car
Speaker 6: seat and these guys, two guys in the car were
Speaker 6: riding my bumper intentionally laughing, and they started just touching
Speaker 6: my bumper.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: And I pulled the car over. And my brother had
Speaker 6: taught me, my nine year older brother, if you got
Speaker 6: a fight, yeah, don't wait. So I walked to the
Speaker 6: car and I'm a coward. I don't like fighting. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I've been fighting two fights in my life. And I
Speaker 6: walked up to the window. The guy's getting out of
Speaker 6: the passenger seat and he sailling, oh, yeah, you want
Speaker 6: to take them on? And the guy in the driver's
Speaker 6: seat roll down the window, and without hesitation, I cocked
Speaker 6: my arm and punched him, broke his glasses. I think,
Speaker 6: is no.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 6: The other guy then got back in the car and
Speaker 6: they took off kurt like forever. And I felt horrible
Speaker 6: that I did it. Yeah, but these guys were putting
Speaker 6: my family in jeopardy.
Speaker 4: And a couple of times that I've had a street
Speaker 4: encounter back that way, back in my twenties. No, I'm
Speaker 4: sick for weeks, if not months after that, because you're paranoid.
Speaker 5: You think there's going to be a retribution for it.
Speaker 4: You don't know, you know it's it is unsettling too
Speaker 4: when that's not your thing to suddenly be in that,
Speaker 4: it's very disturbing.
Speaker 6: So we went a segue to if it is your
Speaker 6: thing and you're wearing fifty or one hundred pounds of
Speaker 6: armor and you're entering with a sword going after somebody,
Speaker 6: or four on four or five on five, what does
Speaker 6: that feel like? Our guest, Simon Rorick, is an Arizona
Speaker 6: based inventor technology consultant specializing in mobile technical solutions. And
Speaker 6: he's also Baron Joseph Donnerbach who's proficient in armored combat
Speaker 6: with staff as long sword and close quarters fighting. Holy crap,
Speaker 6: he's also handing when it comes to hand to hand
Speaker 6: group tactics. And let's not forget you have a good
Speaker 6: grap on.
Speaker 4: By the way, here's your man makes a sooup fle
Speaker 4: light fluffy.
Speaker 6: You can't believe, Simon, Thank do we talk to you?
Speaker 5: Welcome?
Speaker 6: Baron or Simon? Who are we talking to here?
Speaker 8: You can just call me Simon?
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, right, well, thank you for coming on. So
Speaker 6: give us some background in this, because how did it
Speaker 6: take off?
Speaker 5: Before you even asked.
Speaker 4: But for those of you not watching on YouTube, Simon,
Speaker 4: you're wearing arm are you not male?
Speaker 5: What do you?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 9: No, this is a This is just a three D
Speaker 9: printed shirt with some scale armor on it.
Speaker 6: But behind you you have a battle acts and other
Speaker 6: sharp objects on the wall.
Speaker 9: Well yeah, I mean, I thought I would dress up
Speaker 9: for the occasion. I don't get to talk to people
Speaker 9: like you very often. This is a big deal to me,
Speaker 9: so I thought i'd do some presentation.
Speaker 4: And because of the weaponry behind you, I want to
Speaker 4: say from the heart, you look fabulous.
Speaker 8: Bad well, thank you, you look fabulous.
Speaker 7: To Oh, thank you, sorry too.
Speaker 6: That so, give us some background on medieval fighting, how
Speaker 6: it's taken off the rules. Give a tutorial to people listening.
Speaker 9: There's a two different worlds of medieval fighting. There's the
Speaker 9: Lark live action role playing fighting, and that's what most
Speaker 9: people are familiar with. And that's what I started in.
Speaker 8: In nineteen ninety four, and that's where I have my name.
Speaker 9: That's where my name comes from, is the Joseph Dounnerbauch
Speaker 9: and Joseph donnerbaukkas from my Lark background. And I did
Speaker 9: that for many years. I did that from nineteen ninety
Speaker 9: four to about twenty twelve. Then I saw a video
Speaker 9: online where a guy was in full armor and he
Speaker 9: got jump kicked. The flying jump kick in the back
Speaker 9: of the head hit him so hard that his head
Speaker 9: almost exchanged places with his ankles, and the guy landed it,
Speaker 9: jumped around in full armor and ran off, and I
Speaker 9: posted on Facebook, Hey, you know where can I do this?
Speaker 9: Because I've always wanted something a little more violent, and
Speaker 9: I wanted something more and I was always getting in
Speaker 9: trouble for hitting people too hard or gain too aggressive
Speaker 9: because I'm essentially a dudgeon dragons nerd with anger issues.
Speaker 9: But anyway, so in twenty twelve, a friend of mine
Speaker 9: contacted me and he said, hey, the first United States
Speaker 9: team is forming and they're having a World Championship in
Speaker 9: this kind of unlimited format medieval combat. And so I
Speaker 9: got my armor right away, cost me a pretty penny
Speaker 9: because it was hardened steel armor.
Speaker 8: You have to have hard and steel armor to survive.
Speaker 9: And went over to Poland and fought in the first
Speaker 9: World Championships against about twenty other countries back in twenty twelve.
Speaker 9: It was against the best and brightest, most violent nerds
Speaker 9: of other countries now. Keep in mind, in other countries
Speaker 9: it's not considered so much a nerdy hobby because that's
Speaker 9: their heritage, whereas the United States has a bunch of
Speaker 9: European transplants, so it's not the same, but still a
Speaker 9: high number of nerds. And I got to knock people out,
Speaker 9: you know. We showed up there and as a team,
Speaker 9: a lot of us were larkers, and we saw people
Speaker 9: getting pulled out of there on stretchers. I think we
Speaker 9: saw like twelve people on backboards getting pulled out, and
Speaker 9: we were.
Speaker 4: Like, good times, good time, we're are homes. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: found our tribe.
Speaker 8: No, no, you were. You were kind of terrified as a.
Speaker 6: Group, okay, good good.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Had been role players where there's a certain amount of
Speaker 9: camaraderie and niceness, you know, and well that exists in
Speaker 9: the medieval mm A thing.
Speaker 8: It was a lot rougher than any of us had seen.
Speaker 9: Luckily, I'd been a bouncer for a decade by that time,
Speaker 9: so I just went out there and just fought people
Speaker 9: in a group format, which is what I was used to.
Speaker 9: So my squad did pretty well, but pretty much everybody
Speaker 9: there got their app collectively kicked despite being some of
Speaker 9: the largest people and the largest fighters there.
Speaker 4: There's so many questions, and I know Peter's going to
Speaker 4: jump in, but just because I I am not well versed,
Speaker 4: and perhaps others listening aren't. Can you explain the difference
Speaker 4: between LARP and what what we're talking about today?
Speaker 9: Okay, LARP is super fun, immersive, but it's live action
Speaker 9: role playing, and part of that role playing that they
Speaker 9: do is the combat. Obviously, they have to role playing
Speaker 9: a system where you know, if I hit you really
Speaker 9: hard with my phone or my stick and then you're
Speaker 9: sort of on your honor to acknowledge that hit and
Speaker 9: be like, oh, I'm getting the lord and you fall down,
Speaker 9: or do some role playing.
Speaker 5: Right, got it? So it's not a board game situation.
Speaker 4: You're up on your feet, you're you're acting this stuff out,
Speaker 4: but you're using implements that are gentler.
Speaker 5: Is that basically the difference.
Speaker 9: Yes, And the armor's lighter and there's it's also not
Speaker 9: a combat sport, which you know, a combat sport involves
Speaker 9: pain trauma, you know, much like boxing or MMA or
Speaker 9: anything else. Sure, the lark aspect is fun and it
Speaker 9: can be bruising and tough, and in fact, some of
Speaker 9: the best medieval mma guys were really accomplished slarpers who
Speaker 9: translated those skills. But medieval mma is a combat sport
Speaker 9: where you knock people out. There's no imaginary hits gotcha.
Speaker 9: For example, in the Lark, if you came up and
Speaker 9: you hit me in the side of the head of
Speaker 9: an axe, you know, it might hit my head, might
Speaker 9: give me a good bomb, but then I'll be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 9: I'm dead, fall over right.
Speaker 8: Medieval mme is to the pain for any of you.
Speaker 5: Princess Princess.
Speaker 6: Sim And I said this from a good place, and
Speaker 6: we'll get to this what's wrong with you? So so
Speaker 6: let's before we again as basic info, tell us the
Speaker 6: weapons used and the rules, and then we can get
Speaker 6: into the person, the personal issues and the different organizations stuff.
Speaker 6: What is this like, what does this look like like?
Speaker 6: What what weaponry do you have? And what are the.
Speaker 8: Rules to take?
Speaker 9: No stabbing, because that was the most effective way to
Speaker 9: anybody good. The rules that we use are from tournament
Speaker 9: rules back in the twelfth to fourteenth centuries. They had
Speaker 9: rules just like we do, no stabbing, blunted weapons. They
Speaker 9: even had rules like If you get thrown to the ground,
Speaker 9: you lost. We have that same rules, so no stabbing.
Speaker 9: The weapons have to be blunted. We don't use maces
Speaker 9: or hammers over two and a half pounds. The maximum
Speaker 9: weight for our two handed weapons is seven pounds, which
Speaker 9: is about the same as what you'd find at home depot.
Speaker 8: If you've got a two handed tree felling acts. They're
Speaker 8: around that.
Speaker 6: Oh good.
Speaker 9: And if you hit the ground, you're done fighting. You
Speaker 9: can't hit anybody while you're down. You can't be hit
Speaker 9: on the while you're on the ground either. And then
Speaker 9: it's multiple formats. One versus one, five verses five, ten
Speaker 9: versus ten, twenty one versus twenty one. They've even gotten
Speaker 9: to like one to fifty versus one fifty at the
Speaker 9: World Championships. The one versus one are a little different
Speaker 9: because they are scored like a boxing match. There's points,
Speaker 9: number of hits judges, and then there's a knockout gain
Speaker 9: compliance component.
Speaker 4: Also, I would imagine in the one fifty versus one
Speaker 4: fifty there's some friendly fire. Oh yeah, gotta be hey, Jacob,
Speaker 4: come on, man, come on you, I didn't recognize you
Speaker 4: with your Yeah.
Speaker 5: If the visor give.
Speaker 1: Me A.
Speaker 9: Really true friendly fire is the worst because you're not
Speaker 9: set up for it. You're not ready for the direction
Speaker 9: it's coming in, so it's way likely to knock you out. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I've broken friend's arms before by accident.
Speaker 4: Come on, who hasn't, And then you're going for a
Speaker 4: beer after with the good arm.
Speaker 9: They had a guy in a headlock, you know, and
Speaker 9: I hit him with an axe. I was going for
Speaker 9: the guy's head and I missed.
Speaker 5: And I did that in the way into the studio.
Speaker 5: That's no big deal. Don't feel bad about that.
Speaker 6: The worst I've ever done is knocked a Danish out
Speaker 6: of Jason's hand, and that's because it had a fly on.
Speaker 6: I was saving you. So Simon is funding. Some of
Speaker 6: the stories are it's funded by the Russian mafia, some
Speaker 6: oligarchist funny who puts up the prize money and.
Speaker 5: Who puts up the money?
Speaker 9: So early on the Russian teams were funded by like
Speaker 9: the son of a Russian oliguard who was involved in
Speaker 9: a way that I can't quite describe because I don't
Speaker 9: speak Russian. But let's just say that there's lots of
Speaker 9: betting going on, right, okay, and the sportsmanship from the
Speaker 9: Russian fighters was good, but the cheating from the organization
Speaker 9: was notorious, got it, which is, you guys touched on
Speaker 9: that a little bit.
Speaker 6: So you've heard that story about the guy who was
Speaker 6: up the win and they were holding his belt through
Speaker 6: the ring or whatever they went.
Speaker 9: Joel had the camera up in the stands and he
Speaker 9: had a high speed camera. I went through about twenty
Speaker 9: thousand pictures and found the first five sent those out
Speaker 9: because I'd heard that it happened, and.
Speaker 8: The guy denied it, denied it, denied it.
Speaker 9: So my friend Joel had the fancy camera and I
Speaker 9: went up there and went through the pictures. Found the
Speaker 9: guy reaching through the fence and holding the Russian fighter up.
Speaker 9: And the thing is, the Russian fighters were good enough
Speaker 9: to beat us, they didn't have to do that. But
Speaker 9: there's sort of this mentality of for not cheating or
Speaker 9: not trying hard enough or something like that, which is.
Speaker 6: We have a pillow my living, we have another pillow
Speaker 6: my friend my father handed that down. Yeah.
Speaker 9: So yeah, so then that actually started where that started
Speaker 9: a fissure, and after that those pictures came out and
Speaker 9: there's no denying it because the video of that fight
Speaker 9: mysteriously disappeared. It was a new organization, So all the
Speaker 9: Western countries minus Russia formed a new organization called the
Speaker 9: IMCF for more fair competitions. I fought in that World
Speaker 9: Championship and actually won the World Tampionship.
Speaker 6: In the fisher mentioned you are, I didn't do that
Speaker 6: in the intro. You are a world champion multiple times
Speaker 6: and medals around the world. So who funds this organization?
Speaker 6: If that one was funded that way initially? Where does
Speaker 6: the prize money come from?
Speaker 9: Well, now it comes from event organizers that want to
Speaker 9: sell tickets or merchandise or food or tricky legs. But
Speaker 9: there isn't really a ton of prize money. This is
Speaker 9: still I was.
Speaker 7: Going to say, what's I was going to say, is it?
Speaker 7: Is it a belt, the trophy.
Speaker 6: Late or suggest for the love of a concussion.
Speaker 9: I have made so many tens of dollars I cannot
Speaker 9: tell you what dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've made yeah. No.
Speaker 8: So the largest person I had was on a History Channel.
Speaker 8: It was ten K.
Speaker 9: And they had a History Channel series called Night Fight,
Speaker 9: and they did a season of it.
Speaker 8: I was on episode seven.
Speaker 6: Ten K. That doesn't even pay for a kevlar jocks.
Speaker 9: Rep No, it would pay for maybe two suits of armor.
Speaker 8: But that's about it.
Speaker 5: Well, that's why. So I was going to ask that, Hey,
Speaker 5: it's an investment to do this, but.
Speaker 7: Even where do you where do you go for a
Speaker 7: suit of armor? And the other question, I'll throw them
Speaker 7: all at your answer and anywhere you want.
Speaker 4: My impression is, if I'm covered in steel, what's what's
Speaker 4: hurting me? How how come I'm still getting hurt inside?
Speaker 6: That can? All right?
Speaker 9: Well, to answer your question about injury, it's probably the
Speaker 9: same reason why people still get hurt in car accidents.
Speaker 9: Nothing is proof against sufficient force, sure you know. So
Speaker 9: the seat belts leave a massive bruise that will cover
Speaker 9: your whole torso get in a car accident, So it's
Speaker 9: the same thing. It's And then the joints in the armor.
Speaker 9: The joints in the armor have gaps because you have
Speaker 9: to be able to move. So if you want to
Speaker 9: hurt somebody the most, you aim for those gaps. You
Speaker 9: learn to see your opponent's armor and you learn to
Speaker 9: identify their weaknesses based off the armor type. And so
Speaker 9: sometimes the shoulders will comes over and leave a gap
Speaker 9: right here, so you can hit somebody right in the scapula,
Speaker 9: paralyze their arm. Sometimes it will hurt them enough for
Speaker 9: them to drop. You hit people in the back of
Speaker 9: the legs, just not in the back of the knees.
Speaker 9: That's another rule that I skipped over is you cannot
Speaker 9: attack the back of the knees.
Speaker 5: You know, this thing has more rules than Nazi rules football.
Speaker 6: I'm swinging a club those football I.
Speaker 4: Think there's no eye gouging. That's about it. Everything else
Speaker 4: is on the tip.
Speaker 6: These guys show you get to change. I was joking,
Speaker 6: where do you get to change? Where do you buy
Speaker 6: the arm backsmith makes it for you?
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 9: There's there's a cottage industry that the internet's really helped with.
Speaker 9: And then our first foray overseas really brought a lot
Speaker 9: of the Ukrainian and Polish craftsmen to the United States.
Speaker 9: And it's called mild steel. This stuff has to be
Speaker 9: hardened in the same way that swords are quenched.
Speaker 8: You see a sword that's been quenched in the water.
Speaker 9: To harden it, you have to do the whole piece
Speaker 9: of armor, right, the whole thing, because if you're if
Speaker 9: you wouldn't you you'd risk you risk death.
Speaker 8: Essentially if you don't have your armor.
Speaker 6: I love the chuckle. I love the chuckle. So what's
Speaker 6: wrong with you?
Speaker 7: The fact you said you've got to tell your.
Speaker 6: Face so you had you said you had anger issues.
Speaker 6: Pardon me, I go to therapy for that rather than
Speaker 6: to the blacksmith. You there's something there again, reading your
Speaker 6: bio technology consultant, You're educated, you have a regular day job.
Speaker 6: Is it? You can't get that kind of endorphin rush
Speaker 6: doing anything else in your life? So this is really
Speaker 6: really that big a deal because you've been doing a
Speaker 6: long time well, is it? You can't get that kind
Speaker 6: of endorphin rush doing anything else in your life, So
Speaker 6: this is really really that big a deal because you've
Speaker 6: been doing a long time.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean yeah, I've been in combat sports a
Speaker 9: real long time. And it really just comes down to
Speaker 9: a rough childhood with dad that probably shouldn't have been
Speaker 9: a dad. If we want to want to bring the
Speaker 9: tone of this whole thing down.
Speaker 5: It's actually that is really informative.
Speaker 4: It is informative, and it's really interesting because you probably
Speaker 4: heard the intro that Peter and I were doing. I mean,
Speaker 4: I I studied some martial arts, but I was really
Speaker 4: in it because I was the target of bullies and
Speaker 4: I just wanted to be able to, yeah, put up
Speaker 4: a little bit. But I would be surprised if someone
Speaker 4: who didn't have something that was frightful or fearsome or
Speaker 4: in some ways brutal in their childhood. I can't imagine
Speaker 4: the average Joe who didn't have that experience being drawn
Speaker 4: to something like this. Do you find that the people
Speaker 4: that you know who are part of the sport are
Speaker 4: they do?
Speaker 5: They have a similar background to you, a similar journey.
Speaker 9: A lot of them do, and in fact, we do
Speaker 9: a ton of veteran outreach because it's a very effective
Speaker 9: therapeutic activity for people that are trying to master those
Speaker 9: adrenaline dumps and deal with these panic attacks that they
Speaker 9: have but still follow rules. So our sport provides an
Speaker 9: exposure therapy for them, and the camaraderie under duress is
Speaker 9: something that they seek and that they don't have in
Speaker 9: the civilian life. So there's a huge PTSD contingent of people.
Speaker 9: We have several war like bonified war heroes in our group,
Speaker 9: and then you find people that were bullied just like
Speaker 9: you and I were. But you know, I think humans
Speaker 9: have a need for physical combat, and so I think
Speaker 9: that there's a component in our psyche that requires some
Speaker 9: kind of conflict. And it could be pickleball, it could
Speaker 9: be badminton, it could be any of those things. But
Speaker 9: I think a lot of the problems we have today
Speaker 9: is is there's no outlet for this kind of thing.
Speaker 8: But I found mine.
Speaker 9: It brings me peace, It brings a lot of vets peace,
Speaker 9: and it brings a lot of people that have anger
Speaker 9: issues peace, so that we can interact in the world
Speaker 9: and make it safe for everybody.
Speaker 4: And Simon, is there a considerable participation by women or
Speaker 4: is it mostly a male dominated.
Speaker 8: There's a considerable participation by women.
Speaker 9: I think because in part because while we have this
Speaker 9: mm a rough and tumble a sport, there isn't that
Speaker 9: dude bro douchebag mma. I call them taps bros. There's
Speaker 9: a douchebag tap row mentality. So it's more welcoming I think.
Speaker 9: So we get some more, we get more participation than
Speaker 9: you'd expect.
Speaker 4: You've sort of given an interesting profile for the guys
Speaker 4: that participate. Is there a similar profile for the women
Speaker 4: or is it just is it surprising what kind of
Speaker 4: women get into this.
Speaker 8: You know, I gotta say.
Speaker 9: The women I know personally have some similar experiences, but
Speaker 9: it's kind of a subject that you kind of have
Speaker 9: to be like.
Speaker 8: So, were you abused as a kid? Is that why
Speaker 8: you're here? It's a rough opener.
Speaker 5: You know, it's not a conversation starter.
Speaker 6: Do you ever? So I'm curious you suit up. It's
Speaker 6: fifty two hundred pounds, you got the armor on. You
Speaker 6: get into that ring once it starts. Does this guy
Speaker 6: could hurt you, kill you, break something? Does it get
Speaker 6: that amped up where you are just flat out survival?
Speaker 6: You've put yourself in a survival situation.
Speaker 9: That's what happens at first, and that's just the result
Speaker 9: of inexperience. And what you do is you wind up
Speaker 9: dumping out all your adrenaline, spiking your heartbeat and breath
Speaker 9: and your toast in thirty seconds. That's and that's just
Speaker 9: an experience because a lot of people haven't been hitting
Speaker 9: the face of an axe, let alone hit the face
Speaker 9: of an axe with a couple of guys holding you
Speaker 9: against the rail while another person's punching you.
Speaker 8: In the ribs all at the same time. So it's
Speaker 8: an experience. But then a.
Speaker 7: Second, I just got to digest what you just said
Speaker 7: for a second. Okay, that gives that gives new meaning.
Speaker 4: It's my favorite thing, and my favorite quote from any
Speaker 4: fighter I ever heard still belongs to Mike Tyson when
Speaker 4: he was being interviewed before the fight and the interviewer said, well,
Speaker 4: you know, so and so has a plan. He studied
Speaker 4: your tapes and he has a plan for how to
Speaker 4: defeat you in the ring. And Tyson goes, yeah, everybody
Speaker 4: has a plan till they get hit in the face.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's true, but what you just described is so frightening.
Speaker 6: But you so with wisdom. You get some wisdom and
Speaker 6: some some strategy once you've done it.
Speaker 8: Yes, once you realize that the armor really works.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: It's one of the problems is that we've been we've
Speaker 9: been taught by movies that armor can just be stabbed
Speaker 9: through with guys and played. If you've ever seen a
Speaker 9: movie where a person was writing plate armor and he
Speaker 9: was stabbed and it went through him, that's never happened.
Speaker 8: Ever, I guess I would. I would bet a dollar
Speaker 8: it had never happened back then. Either, So Hard, So Hard.
Speaker 6: This was a Monty Python movie. It would be cut
Speaker 6: to a deceased warrior from the fourteen hundreds, going.
Speaker 5: Difference.
Speaker 4: So you're saying that a hardened steel breastplate always be
Speaker 4: it's a hardened steel sword on the edge, on the edge.
Speaker 8: The slash.
Speaker 9: Do you ever see a medieval combat or in some
Speaker 9: of the movies they're actually trying to do a better
Speaker 9: job where they take the sword and use it like
Speaker 9: a staff. Yeah, there's a point here. Yeah, they hit
Speaker 9: him with the pommel there. That point was the most
Speaker 9: dangerous part. So the idea was to batter or grapple
Speaker 9: or stun the guy with the pommel or the base
Speaker 9: of the sword, and when he was stunned or maneuvered
Speaker 9: in such a way, you would get the point in
Speaker 9: his armpit or underneath his helmet here, or any in
Speaker 9: his face, anything, and use that point.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: You never ever would slash an.
Speaker 9: Edge of a sword against armor if you could help it,
Speaker 9: because it wouldn't do and it wouldn't do anything.
Speaker 8: That's what axes and pole hammers are for.
Speaker 5: Of course, of course that's where's my pollhound. He's telling
Speaker 5: me stuff. I know, Dade, how.
Speaker 6: Many fights can you do in a day at a tournament?
Speaker 9: You can do sometimes ten twenty thirty. It really depends.
Speaker 9: It's the bracketing system, so it depends on how many
Speaker 9: people enter. But at the World Championships, for example, it's
Speaker 9: four days.
Speaker 6: Dude, and they have doctors. I guess right there. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 9: In fact, my friend as the team doctor in twenty
Speaker 9: twelve attack, he reattached somebody's pinky finger tip.
Speaker 8: You know, got got nipped off.
Speaker 9: Use an arm brace to brace my leg because I
Speaker 9: got hit in the calf with an illegal Russian mace
Speaker 9: turned out to be twice as heavy as what was
Speaker 9: allowed and uh smashed my calf, So he.
Speaker 6: Be fair.
Speaker 4: I think, uh, you know, for authenticity, the doctor should
Speaker 4: only be able to apply me devil medicine, Leachers, leeches, yeah,
Speaker 4: little leeches, and you know, I don't know what else.
Speaker 6: Potions we're going to do it. By the way, if
Speaker 6: you had the bet on one of us, yeah, who
Speaker 6: do you think looking at like looking at us, if
Speaker 6: we were all suited up, who would be the guy.
Speaker 5: To I'll tell you you can't tell.
Speaker 4: Sitting here, Peter's got about a foot of height over me.
Speaker 5: I'll give you that.
Speaker 9: Well, you know you said that, you Jason, you said
Speaker 9: that you had martial arts background, so you know the
Speaker 9: center of gravity.
Speaker 5: And I was a.
Speaker 4: College fencer, Peter, So careful, be careful who you throw
Speaker 4: your gauntlet down too.
Speaker 6: I've run away from so many people who threatened me.
Speaker 6: I'm very fair.
Speaker 9: Here's the thing is that is that when he was
Speaker 9: talking about no hesitation, remember when he's talking about his
Speaker 9: story about the traffic thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so in martial arts you're taught some respect and restraint, right, Yes,
Speaker 8: you run up against the guy that has no hesitation.
Speaker 8: Personal yes, first wins first.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 4: There's a there's an unwritten martial arts that says crazy
Speaker 4: beats good.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Simon, thank you.
Speaker 9: So I would say, if you guys fight, you better,
Speaker 9: you better hit Jason really quick or you're done.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Simon, before we go, can you just show
Speaker 6: us a couple of your weapons and maybe club your
Speaker 6: dog to death or do something that we can so
Speaker 6: we can see see.
Speaker 8: I'm a cat guy. I have two cats.
Speaker 6: Club the cats to death. I'm kidding, Peter, Peter, please
Speaker 6: go ahead, all.
Speaker 8: Right here, this one, here, oh boy, this one, oh
Speaker 8: my god, has a pretty unique story.
Speaker 9: Yeah you see my can you see my?
Speaker 8: My face on there. Can you see that?
Speaker 5: Is it on the blade itself?
Speaker 6: We see?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, now we can.
Speaker 6: Weapon.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, so this part was inside my skull. I
Speaker 9: got my skull fractured, my helmet got pulled off my head,
Speaker 9: and I got hit with this exact weapon in the
Speaker 9: head and it took a piece of bone and put
Speaker 9: it through my brain about half a centimeter.
Speaker 5: That explains so much, right, So, uh.
Speaker 9: I recovered and UH won the pole Arm Championship of
Speaker 9: the United States six months later.
Speaker 8: But then my friends found the guy who did it.
Speaker 9: Uh, he's a Canadian and bought this from him and
Speaker 9: remade the weapon. And this is the original blade and
Speaker 9: that is why there's a laser at you. Maybe it
Speaker 9: says skull crusher. Can you see it says skull This
Speaker 9: is the piece right there.
Speaker 6: It was in your head. Yeah, so that's a special special.
Speaker 7: Yeah sentimental, man, you don't know what happened here.
Speaker 6: And by the way, in my yard is a car
Speaker 6: that hit me when I was ten.
Speaker 8: Wow, now I use it to beat the crap out
Speaker 8: of other people.
Speaker 5: Okay, well boy swept.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 9: These are yeah, these are all, these are all, these
Speaker 9: are all weapons that we can use you see they're blunt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh sure, yes, harmless, But I.
Speaker 8: Mean you can still get something.
Speaker 9: I've gotten something called pressure cut where it'll hit your
Speaker 9: armor so hard that will explode the skin underneath and
Speaker 9: actually make a cut through the armor and not actually
Speaker 9: penetrate the.
Speaker 6: Weapon he's holding up. Now, if you don't have video,
Speaker 6: the grim Reaper would go too big.
Speaker 5: Over here.
Speaker 6: You could use that to do a field of grain,
Speaker 6: to get the whole field done. My gosh, oh my god,
Speaker 6: how big are you? By the way, how tall? And
Speaker 6: how would you about? Six? Two?
Speaker 8: About two thirty I mean to eighty to three hundred
Speaker 8: pounds depending on eight.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, whoa.
Speaker 8: I grew up on a farm, you know.
Speaker 9: So people asking us, so, how do you hit so
Speaker 9: hard that you can drop anybody with an axe no
Speaker 9: matter where you hit him, And uh, I just say, well,
Speaker 9: you got to be shoveling doing man's work by the
Speaker 9: time you're eight.
Speaker 6: That's the name of my book, Shoveling doing man's work.
Speaker 6: That's my that's my bio. Well, thank you, thank you
Speaker 6: so much for being on. Simon Baron, Joseph Donner Black
Speaker 6: is the way is that the website you look under
Speaker 6: Joseph Donner back or do you look on Simon.
Speaker 9: Simon rock You know in the sport we don't do
Speaker 9: any of the role playing stuff. We just like to
Speaker 9: beat each other up and then have beers and hugs afterwards.
Speaker 6: Simon, thank you, Simon.
Speaker 4: We wish you well out there for the for the
Speaker 4: you know, watch thy back.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if I had a lut I'd play it. Thank
Speaker 7: you a pleasure. That So what the actual health is
Speaker 7: just what's amazing to me. And this always happens with
Speaker 7: our show. We try and find something that truly makes
Speaker 7: it go really no really that exists.
Speaker 6: On the planet I know exactly. Hopefully, hopefully it's fascinating.
Speaker 6: Hopefully we can have some humor to it. Yeah, but
Speaker 6: you get into the reason behind. And when he was
Speaker 6: talking about the anger issue and the vest again, we
Speaker 6: always said with this show we were try and do
Speaker 6: everything positive and not being negative because there's enough division
Speaker 6: in the world. But I guess there's a percentage of
Speaker 6: the population that has to control their anger, their victreol
Speaker 6: and have an outlet for it. When he said the
Speaker 6: PTSD thing it soldiers and this helps them. We can't
Speaker 6: relate to that because of how violent. That is, and
Speaker 6: I think, is this therapeutic? It's so foreign to me.
Speaker 4: You know, I hear what he was saying about using
Speaker 4: it as a kind of a therapy for things like PTSD,
Speaker 4: but I don't know how to say this, so it
Speaker 4: doesn't sound like I'm being a smart ass. But he
Speaker 4: had a blade in his head. The guy who wielded
Speaker 4: that blade. Does that not give him more PTSD? I
Speaker 4: mean in a sport.
Speaker 6: But because it's it's it's you're both agreed to the format.
Speaker 6: You both agreed to the thing. What I wonder about,
Speaker 6: and I didn't get to ask him, it is, so
Speaker 6: you're a human being. You're fighting me in MMA. I'm
Speaker 6: watching you, I'm seeing you. I'm hurting you. But we're
Speaker 6: doing our thing.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: As soon as I put on a face mass an advisor, I'm.
Speaker 5: Just the thing.
Speaker 6: It's now it's you're dehumanizing a person. I wonder what
Speaker 6: that feels like, because now you're fighting a concept, you're
Speaker 6: not fighting a person. There's no humanity there.
Speaker 4: Well that now you're describing modern warfare where the combatants never.
Speaker 6: So that I wonder the element there if that dehumanizes
Speaker 6: again in PTSD, If I kill you accidentally if I
Speaker 6: did something horrible to you. But then again, I guess
Speaker 6: both if you did it with an agreement, yeah, I
Speaker 6: guess you know. It's I don't know, it's hard to
Speaker 6: wrap your head harder, but it is increasing and more
Speaker 6: and more people are there's.
Speaker 4: This whole romance of medieval things. If this didn't have
Speaker 4: a medieval flavor to it, you got these are just
Speaker 4: people beating the cross wooden spoon from the kitchen and
Speaker 4: they hit it. But there's this romance to medieval things,
Speaker 4: which I gotta tell you, I don't understand.
Speaker 6: No, because there was an odor then, they didn't have bathroom.
Speaker 4: Nobody who lived in the medieval times was going, these
Speaker 4: are the best possible time.
Speaker 6: Fin the way you wiped yourself with that act. They
Speaker 6: didn't have toilet paper yet.
Speaker 4: But I mean, we go to these Renaissance fairs, we
Speaker 4: go to the I was in Ireland recently and there's
Speaker 4: there's one castle that is it's almost like not's very
Speaker 4: farm it. It looks they have actors playing exactly what
Speaker 4: life would have.
Speaker 5: Been, and you go, this is Puaint on a good day.
Speaker 5: But how many good days were there?
Speaker 6: I think medieval fighting came up. There's no bathroom, there
Speaker 6: was no antibiotics. It's everything smelled you to take. I
Speaker 6: think they wanted to die. That's why the.
Speaker 5: Fighter absolutely right.
Speaker 4: And honestly, bathing bathing in medieval times it was maybe
Speaker 4: a three time a year by.
Speaker 6: The moon, by the lunar moon.
Speaker 7: Yeah you wash up, you know, because it's spring. But
Speaker 7: it's it was not pleasant.
Speaker 4: And even when I go, I took the kids, you know,
Speaker 4: when they were young, to medieval times here in La
Speaker 4: where you have dinner and there's there's a show and
Speaker 4: it's shousting. It's nights, you know, playing and everybody, everybody
Speaker 4: knowing it is sworn to one night and you're you're
Speaker 4: rooting for your knight. And the menu is a piece
Speaker 4: of brisket, a chicken leg, a bowl of soup and
Speaker 4: some ale. No, no napkins, no for aware. No, you're
Speaker 4: eating with your hands and guys are down there whacking.
Speaker 4: And you know, I am the blue Knight route for me.
Speaker 4: I don't care how a loud I root they picked.
Speaker 5: Green is gonna win a different experience. It's and I'm going.
Speaker 4: And the boys were like, this is great, this is great,
Speaker 4: and I went, this is.
Speaker 6: Nuts it is, but takes it another the medieval fighting.
Speaker 6: I'm so glad we had him a champion him, but
Speaker 6: it is fascinating and I still don't. This is one
Speaker 6: of those where it ended the interview in it and
Speaker 6: I still don't. He explained it.
Speaker 4: You can't because, like I said, my son, Noah, he
Speaker 4: went down and tried this in southern California one time.
Speaker 4: He knows nothing about it other than he saw it online.
Speaker 4: He goes down a bunch of guys, hell fellow, well met,
Speaker 4: that's fantastic.
Speaker 5: They give him some armor, some loner armor.
Speaker 6: It's like bowling shoes in the back.
Speaker 4: I mean talk about a gap in the armpit. The
Speaker 4: gap in the armpit was his head. And he's and
Speaker 4: they give him a weapon and he's out there with
Speaker 4: no training, no nothing, no lead up. Who knows if
Speaker 4: the guy he's playing with has done this one thousand
Speaker 4: times and he gets he has a scar on his
Speaker 4: shin that is never going over.
Speaker 6: Let's go, let's go to mister google him.
Speaker 7: Yes, David, welcome David.
Speaker 6: What are you so fascinating? Right?
Speaker 7: It's hard to understand squire google him?
Speaker 5: What say?
Speaker 6: And dragons?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Ever had just lost control and smacked the guy across
Speaker 6: from you.
Speaker 10: Well sometimes you know, the dice are flying, man, you know,
Speaker 10: you should wear goggles.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 10: I it's very interesting, right because he was before he
Speaker 10: came on camera, he and I were talking and you know,
Speaker 10: he was a way back D and D guy, and
Speaker 10: he then obviously got into the LARPing, which is basically
Speaker 10: live action D and D and then looking for the
Speaker 10: more extreme thing. Now he has axes and and and
Speaker 10: they hit each other so and.
Speaker 1: Injury.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it was quite poignant from my perspective when
Speaker 10: he was talking about the folks coming back.
Speaker 6: From battle that are not able to.
Speaker 10: Find that, and they're in this they are able to
Speaker 10: so you know, I wish them. Well, it's really brutal.
Speaker 6: I really do.
Speaker 10: For people who are interested in understanding how brutal this is.
Speaker 1: These guys with these full on axes that.
Speaker 10: Are blunted as we are, no sharp edges, but there's
Speaker 10: still axes that are wailing away and it's amazing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Only seven pounds though, only seven pounds, yeah.
Speaker 6: For the legal ones, for the legal ones, the guys
Speaker 6: who are taking in the fifteen pounders, you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: the check guys, you have to so what's your takeaway
Speaker 6: before we wrap your well, A.
Speaker 10: Couple of things. Number One, i'd be a long bowman.
Speaker 10: I think, you know, far away, yeah, right through the armor.
Speaker 10: Number Two, you guys were pushing some myths, some medieval myths.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, let's hear.
Speaker 10: Bathing, while not as common as we have today, was
Speaker 10: actually very common in the Middle Ages and medieval times,
Speaker 10: the Dark Ages, some people refer to it. Washing of
Speaker 10: hands and face were a daily routine, a part of
Speaker 10: eating and socializing. There would be a weekly house type
Speaker 10: of situation for the full body or going to the
Speaker 10: river or something like that.
Speaker 1: While there was eating with the hands.
Speaker 10: You would wash your hands beforehand, you'd wash your face beforehand.
Speaker 10: There were utensils, there were knives, there were spoons, there were.
Speaker 1: Not forks for most of the time.
Speaker 10: But it was not the king was not grabbing the
Speaker 10: come on, come on, Henry the eighth, he's grabbing the
Speaker 10: turkey leg. No turkeys, No turkeys, large chicken, large large chicken. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: no turkeys, no turkeys. Also another one that I thought
Speaker 10: was interesting and a lot of what we're talking about,
Speaker 10: like Renaissance fairis you know, the Renaissance is not medieval times.
Speaker 5: Right, the Roman Empire.
Speaker 10: Falls, there's a state of confusion, which is the Middle
Speaker 10: Ages the time we're speaking of, and then the Renaissance
Speaker 10: comes where they sort of get.
Speaker 6: It back together.
Speaker 10: It's a little history history, and again this is another
Speaker 10: sort of a lot of our understanding of what the
Speaker 10: Middle Ages were like as based on things that came
Speaker 10: much much later, like the whole idea of dungeons and
Speaker 10: torture devices, you know, in these dungeons and all of that.
Speaker 1: Most of that did not exist. In fact, it was an.
Speaker 10: Invention created in eighteen nineteen by Walter Scott's novel Ivanhoe
Speaker 10: Like It Is Not, which is obviously way, way, way
Speaker 10: way after the Middle Ages, which were from four to
Speaker 10: seventy six a d. Through about at about fourteen hundred,
Speaker 10: so that's sort of the time period work.
Speaker 6: So in that period you'd say, I am going to
Speaker 6: torture you, but I have to wait several hundred years
Speaker 6: years to where the.
Speaker 1: Irony made and these sorts of things.
Speaker 10: They didn't exist, They did not exist at the time,
Speaker 10: and really a lot of it was was fiction. It
Speaker 10: never really existed in the way that it's presented in
Speaker 10: some of these castles that you might visit.
Speaker 6: So it was years before they said, we got four
Speaker 6: ropes and four horses, what do you want to do?
Speaker 6: And I go, I don't know, I have no idea,
Speaker 6: and then draw quarters.
Speaker 4: I find it hard to believe that they didn't have
Speaker 4: a methodology for brutality during the medieval times.
Speaker 1: They just probably kill you. I mean they were just.
Speaker 6: Killing play with you. You need writers, like a writer's room. Guys,
Speaker 6: what are we thinking here? What were your ideas?
Speaker 5: Let me tell you.
Speaker 4: I think there was a I think there was some shenanigans.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't think so. Walter Scott, out of
Speaker 4: nowhere said I got I'm tying it.
Speaker 6: I'm tying you to a chair and we'll take hours
Speaker 6: to figure out what to do with you to make
Speaker 6: you talk. I don't know what to do to make
Speaker 6: them talk.
Speaker 1: What are they going to say? What do you want
Speaker 1: me to say?
Speaker 6: I mean, you know that's David Yours come through, man,
Speaker 6: Thank you God. I still don't believe the washing thing.
Speaker 6: Thank you, David.
Speaker 5: May the gods sing the to of Valhalla and beyond so.
Speaker 7: You know what's wear After he was like, you know,
Speaker 7: like you know, I work with the improvised Shakespeare company.
Speaker 5: I know how to do this crap. You good, good
Speaker 5: for you, Good for your.
Speaker 11: Little little slug because I'm gonna producing them up Broadway
Speaker 11: later in the he is boring me, he's going long.
Speaker 7: Okay, now I know why I'm gonna buy amazon a
Speaker 7: scaff I'll buy the thing from him that it was
Speaker 7: implanted in the head.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then laser your face on. That's the kind
Speaker 4: of lovely momento.
Speaker 6: And I we got a gift for you. O.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my laser's face on. A piece of his face
Speaker 5: was on it. Why do you have to augment?
Speaker 6: If you're a real man, you would have left it
Speaker 6: in your skull and around, looked around and hung your laundry.
Speaker 4: And let me tell you, see you walk, You walk
Speaker 4: into a renaissance in your head. In your head, you're
Speaker 4: the one that's right, the one that is psychological war.
Speaker 6: For listening, everybody, thank you for watching. And I hope
Speaker 6: we've cleared up committing with times for everyone else. The yeah,
Speaker 6: and if you want to fight, good bye.
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Speaker 3: What are some more of the world's most dangerous sports well,
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Speaker 2: And now, what are some of the other most dangerous
Speaker 2: sports in the world.
Speaker 3: Well, American football, in European or Australian rugby make the cut.
Speaker 3: Concussions and spinal injuries occur frequently, and there are occasional deaths.
Speaker 3: Bull Riding is more than a tad dangerous. Falling from
Speaker 3: a bucking bulldozer and being stopped by eighteen hundred pounds
Speaker 3: of angry bull is no picnic. Out of every thousand rides,
Speaker 3: thirty two and in death or injury. Big waves surfing
Speaker 3: has washed its share of broken bodies and fatalities to
Speaker 3: the shore. Approximately ten big wave surfers die annually. Skydiving
Speaker 3: obviously has a downside if the shoot doesn't open properly,
Speaker 3: but even if it does, strokes and heart attacks have
Speaker 3: claimed several victims on the way down. Statistically, one in
Speaker 3: every two hundred thousand jumpers aren't alive on landing. Horse riding, racing,
Speaker 3: and show jumping are the most common cause of sports
Speaker 3: related traumatic brain injuries in the United States, and surprising
Speaker 3: lead cheerleading studies show that cheerleading is the single most
Speaker 3: dangerous sport for female athletes, with a number of serious
Speaker 3: injuries and fatalities annually. In fact, on average, one cheerleader
Speaker 3: has died every year since nineteen ninety one, and that's
Speaker 3: in America alone, which is why I'm sticking with foosball
Speaker 3: and pong. I mean, look, it's great to be a winner,
Speaker 3: but living is cool too, no.
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