WEBVTT - The Next Big Thing – Medieval Sports! 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:04.720 Now really. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.160 Really now, really well, and welcome to really no really. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.200 Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden remind you that you would 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.440 be like a knight in shining armor. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:17.920 If you simply subscribe to our show. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.079 And speaking of knights in armor, there is a growing 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.160 phenomenon in the world of extreme fighting that you might 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.520 not be aware of. Sure, there's boxing, wrestling, and mixed 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.280 martial arts if you're boring, But. 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.200 For people who pine for something a little. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.600 More dangerous and brutal, a sport that features claboring people 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.440 with a sword, a club, or even a battle axe, 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.519 there is the competitive world of medieval fighting. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:42.280 Really no really. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.680 We were wondering why seemingly normal guys would spend thousands 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.040 of dollars on chainmail and fourteenth century weaponry and travel 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.080 the globe for an opportunity to fight in this brutal way. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.360 So we turned to Simon Rourick, a world champion and 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.000 expert in medieval fighting. Most days, Simon is an Arizona 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.680 I'm a based inventor and technology consultant, But when the 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.760 sun doth rise on the tournament field, he transforms into 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:11.600 his other persona. They're in josef Donnerbach, who's proficient in staff, 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.759 axe and long sword, armored combat, close quarters fighting, and grappling. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.160 He discusses the growing appeal of medieval fighting, how it 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.319 may help war veterans suffering from PTSD, and what it 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.880 felt like to have a large axe embedded in his skull. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.240 Now Here are the lords of our manor Jason and Peter. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:37.120 Hello, pour sooth and pretty welcome to really nay, really, 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:40.080 that's how they would. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.120 Talk if we were actually. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.960 Or or it's one of those medieval lights things and 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.039 they say you want the basket and chicken, or you 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:46.880 want to lamb leg. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.320 The only thing I remember from Renaissance fairs is if 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.280 you put a dollar in the basket when they gave 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:52.320 you the coin dog, they go. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.279 Huzza for the tipper, huzzaf. Everybody would go huzza. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.560 I thought, Oh, that's kind of curses under his breast 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.200 and you're gonna walk back to the kitchen going out 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.680 of wear a hat with a fellow less less. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.680 No, let'st one not pick up on our theme for 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.160 the day. So today we're going to talk about this 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:15.800 is this is a thing. So we all know, there's boxing, 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.040 there's m M a there's mixed martial arts, there's all 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:18.480 this stuff. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.960 There's wrestling and wrestling. There is a phenomena. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:23.760 It's growing, it's. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:30.560 Growing growing, it's it's out of control where people both 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:37.720 male and female, don medieval armor or replicas of medieval armor, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:44.200 and with replicas of medieval weapons, swords, shields, living day 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.160 of each other, beat the. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:50.560 Living day each other, which is a fascinating until somebody goes, 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.480 either I quit or maybe. 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.239 Ow we are, we are there. We got to find 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.400 out the rules. So yeah, medieval combat is like the 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.440 new listening. And now there was an organization that started 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.760 in Europe and there's somewhere. 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.600 Else when it's done. Medieval started in Europe. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.160 Yeah yeah, we didn't have Native Americans running around going 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:10.480 what ho? 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.600 Yeah, okay, but. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.760 Now it's spread. There's two organizations. And I wonder if 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:21.240 if if you see this fighting, you won't believe it. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:22.880 And I got to ask our guest who's a fighter, 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.080 about why and how he does it. And I also 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:30.040 got to ask him. Supposedly, there was an incident with 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.240 a Russian fighter where he was going down, but somebody 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.040 reached into the ring and held. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.240 His belt so that he's he's out, but he's not 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:39.920 going down. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.320 So like, what cheating? What this is? Like what his 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:42.839 wife says? 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.000 What you Well, that was an old medieval trick. Actually 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.000 they holding the belt. They would hold a dead knight 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.880 up erect and to let everybody beat the hell out 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.360 of him while they came around the back. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.240 Instead of in boxing we have a cut man, you 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:53.880 got a belt man. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:58.560 That's right, hold up, but sound you need a good 0:03:58.640 --> 0:03:59.320 visor guy. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.280 It found about the culture and why and how and 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:03.040 who participation. 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.920 So what this says about all of us about you know, 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:12.920 we have a lot of combat sport, but and I 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:14.200 know people are fascinated. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.120 You know, it's almost like role playing going back. You know, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:17.760 we talk about it. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.839 We have medieval times where you go have a dinner 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.000 and night's joust and they do and Renaissance fairs are 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.400 a huge thing, and there's a fascinating it's almost like 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.919 a West World thing of dressing up and living in 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:29.240 a different time, in a different period. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.200 But this idea of. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.800 And my son, our announcer, Noah, actually did this one 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:40.440 time down to play here in southern California and they 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:45.000 they they put him in armor that didn't fit. He 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.840 went in and got his head handed to him. It's 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.320 been months. He still has a scar. He's got a 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.080 scar on his leg. It's going to be a perma. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.359 So this, you know what it's like. Dungeon and Dragon. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.200 We did an episode that it's celebrating the fiftieth anniversary. Yeah, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:04:58.760 it's like one. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:06.160 Some guy during the Dungeons and Dragons game went, why. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.040 Is this imaginary? 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.080 I want to hit you and beat you with a 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.880 club close to death. So we'll find out about that. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.679 But I'm just curious and we can delve into why, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.839 what this says about us, et cetera. What this is? 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.359 But did you ever, if you do, you ever drawn 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.520 to fight somebody? Do you ever have to really fight somebody? 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.440 I have had one school fight, and when I was 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.359 at school, I was on the receiving end of I 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.960 wouldn't call them fights. I would call them assaults. You know, 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.600 I was in grade school. But yeah, I studied martial 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.279 arts for a number of years, and so I sparred 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.320 regular I never competed, but I sparred in the school, and. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.160 So I have. I have struck and been struck in 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:46.159 the name of sport. 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.279 I had to punch your guy once I was going 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.920 down a country road or Benjamin was in the car 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.760 seat and these guys, two guys in the car were 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.839 riding my bumper intentionally laughing, and they started just touching 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:00.520 my bumper. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:01.280 Oh my god. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.000 And I pulled the car over. And my brother had 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:05.839 taught me, my nine year older brother, if you got 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.000 a fight, yeah, don't wait. So I walked to the 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:10.720 car and I'm a coward. I don't like fighting. Yeah, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.520 I've been fighting two fights in my life. And I 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.280 walked up to the window. The guy's getting out of 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.080 the passenger seat and he sailling, oh, yeah, you want 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:18.840 to take them on? And the guy in the driver's 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.000 seat roll down the window, and without hesitation, I cocked 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.680 my arm and punched him, broke his glasses. I think, 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:25.000 is no. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:26.080 Oh. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.400 The other guy then got back in the car and 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.440 they took off kurt like forever. And I felt horrible 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.080 that I did it. Yeah, but these guys were putting 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.360 my family in jeopardy. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.599 And a couple of times that I've had a street 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:42.919 encounter back that way, back in my twenties. No, I'm 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:47.000 sick for weeks, if not months after that, because you're paranoid. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.360 You think there's going to be a retribution for it. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:54.120 You don't know, you know it's it is unsettling too 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.560 when that's not your thing to suddenly be in that, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:06:59.400 it's very disturbing. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.840 So we went a segue to if it is your 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.880 thing and you're wearing fifty or one hundred pounds of 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.640 armor and you're entering with a sword going after somebody, 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.600 or four on four or five on five, what does 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.240 that feel like? Our guest, Simon Rorick, is an Arizona 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:18.560 based inventor technology consultant specializing in mobile technical solutions. And 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:24.600 he's also Baron Joseph Donnerbach who's proficient in armored combat 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:29.400 with staff as long sword and close quarters fighting. Holy crap, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.800 he's also handing when it comes to hand to hand 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.960 group tactics. And let's not forget you have a good 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:35.360 grap on. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.520 By the way, here's your man makes a sooup fle 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:39.200 light fluffy. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.680 You can't believe, Simon, Thank do we talk to you? 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:42.120 Welcome? 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.360 Baron or Simon? Who are we talking to here? 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.240 You can just call me Simon? 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.080 Yeah, okay, right, well, thank you for coming on. So 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.880 give us some background in this, because how did it 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:53.920 take off? 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:55.160 Before you even asked. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.480 But for those of you not watching on YouTube, Simon, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.200 you're wearing arm are you not male? 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:01.920 What do you? 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:02.320 Oh? 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.440 No, this is a This is just a three D 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.880 printed shirt with some scale armor on it. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.280 But behind you you have a battle acts and other 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:10.600 sharp objects on the wall. 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:12.640 Well yeah, I mean, I thought I would dress up 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.120 for the occasion. I don't get to talk to people 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.480 like you very often. This is a big deal to me, 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.120 so I thought i'd do some presentation. 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.400 And because of the weaponry behind you, I want to 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.800 say from the heart, you look fabulous. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.840 Bad well, thank you, you look fabulous. 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.080 To Oh, thank you, sorry too. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.760 That so, give us some background on medieval fighting, how 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.640 it's taken off the rules. Give a tutorial to people listening. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.520 There's a two different worlds of medieval fighting. There's the 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.559 Lark live action role playing fighting, and that's what most 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:53.600 people are familiar with. And that's what I started in. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.480 In nineteen ninety four, and that's where I have my name. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.800 That's where my name comes from, is the Joseph Dounnerbauch 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.800 and Joseph donnerbaukkas from my Lark background. And I did 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.800 that for many years. I did that from nineteen ninety 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.679 four to about twenty twelve. Then I saw a video 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.480 online where a guy was in full armor and he 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.840 got jump kicked. The flying jump kick in the back 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.920 of the head hit him so hard that his head 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.720 almost exchanged places with his ankles, and the guy landed it, 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.720 jumped around in full armor and ran off, and I 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.600 posted on Facebook, Hey, you know where can I do this? 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:37.720 Because I've always wanted something a little more violent, and 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.040 I wanted something more and I was always getting in 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.120 trouble for hitting people too hard or gain too aggressive 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:49.360 because I'm essentially a dudgeon dragons nerd with anger issues. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.160 But anyway, so in twenty twelve, a friend of mine 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.560 contacted me and he said, hey, the first United States 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.280 team is forming and they're having a World Championship in 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:07.040 this kind of unlimited format medieval combat. And so I 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.160 got my armor right away, cost me a pretty penny 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.480 because it was hardened steel armor. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.440 You have to have hard and steel armor to survive. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.319 And went over to Poland and fought in the first 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.560 World Championships against about twenty other countries back in twenty twelve. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.600 It was against the best and brightest, most violent nerds 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.840 of other countries now. Keep in mind, in other countries 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:36.520 it's not considered so much a nerdy hobby because that's 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.960 their heritage, whereas the United States has a bunch of 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:43.400 European transplants, so it's not the same, but still a 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.360 high number of nerds. And I got to knock people out, 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.079 you know. We showed up there and as a team, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.000 a lot of us were larkers, and we saw people 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.679 getting pulled out of there on stretchers. I think we 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.559 saw like twelve people on backboards getting pulled out, and 0:10:58.640 --> 0:10:59.120 we were. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.680 Like, good times, good time, we're are homes. Yeah, we 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:04.720 found our tribe. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.240 No, no, you were. You were kind of terrified as a. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.680 Group, okay, good good. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:09.360 Yeah. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.400 Had been role players where there's a certain amount of 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.720 camaraderie and niceness, you know, and well that exists in 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.960 the medieval mm A thing. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.000 It was a lot rougher than any of us had seen. 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.959 Luckily, I'd been a bouncer for a decade by that time, 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.400 so I just went out there and just fought people 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.480 in a group format, which is what I was used to. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.800 So my squad did pretty well, but pretty much everybody 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:40.120 there got their app collectively kicked despite being some of 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.960 the largest people and the largest fighters there. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:45.959 There's so many questions, and I know Peter's going to 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.200 jump in, but just because I I am not well versed, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.240 and perhaps others listening aren't. Can you explain the difference 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.880 between LARP and what what we're talking about today? 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.960 Okay, LARP is super fun, immersive, but it's live action 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.640 role playing, and part of that role playing that they 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.240 do is the combat. Obviously, they have to role playing 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.200 a system where you know, if I hit you really 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.040 hard with my phone or my stick and then you're 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.920 sort of on your honor to acknowledge that hit and 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.240 be like, oh, I'm getting the lord and you fall down, 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:21.640 or do some role playing. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.120 Right, got it? So it's not a board game situation. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.240 You're up on your feet, you're you're acting this stuff out, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.280 but you're using implements that are gentler. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:31.640 Is that basically the difference. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.800 Yes, And the armor's lighter and there's it's also not 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:39.000 a combat sport, which you know, a combat sport involves 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.679 pain trauma, you know, much like boxing or MMA or 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.800 anything else. Sure, the lark aspect is fun and it 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.559 can be bruising and tough, and in fact, some of 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:56.320 the best medieval mma guys were really accomplished slarpers who 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.800 translated those skills. But medieval mma is a combat sport 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:05.840 where you knock people out. There's no imaginary hits gotcha. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.960 For example, in the Lark, if you came up and 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.079 you hit me in the side of the head of 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.520 an axe, you know, it might hit my head, might 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.560 give me a good bomb, but then I'll be like, oh, okay, 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.840 I'm dead, fall over right. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.520 Medieval mme is to the pain for any of you. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.719 Princess Princess. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.240 Sim And I said this from a good place, and 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.800 we'll get to this what's wrong with you? So so 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:36.760 let's before we again as basic info, tell us the 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.199 weapons used and the rules, and then we can get 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.640 into the person, the personal issues and the different organizations stuff. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.560 What is this like, what does this look like like? 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.679 What what weaponry do you have? And what are the. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.079 Rules to take? 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.440 No stabbing, because that was the most effective way to 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.960 anybody good. The rules that we use are from tournament 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.600 rules back in the twelfth to fourteenth centuries. They had 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.480 rules just like we do, no stabbing, blunted weapons. They 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.800 even had rules like If you get thrown to the ground, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.360 you lost. We have that same rules, so no stabbing. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:20.640 The weapons have to be blunted. We don't use maces 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:25.200 or hammers over two and a half pounds. The maximum 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.560 weight for our two handed weapons is seven pounds, which 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.520 is about the same as what you'd find at home depot. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.560 If you've got a two handed tree felling acts. They're 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:32.320 around that. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:33.520 Oh good. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.440 And if you hit the ground, you're done fighting. You 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.840 can't hit anybody while you're down. You can't be hit 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.480 on the while you're on the ground either. And then 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.960 it's multiple formats. One versus one, five verses five, ten 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.320 versus ten, twenty one versus twenty one. They've even gotten 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.760 to like one to fifty versus one fifty at the 0:14:55.760 --> 0:15:00.680 World Championships. The one versus one are a little different 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.640 because they are scored like a boxing match. There's points, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.800 number of hits judges, and then there's a knockout gain 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.520 compliance component. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.960 Also, I would imagine in the one fifty versus one 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:19.800 fifty there's some friendly fire. Oh yeah, gotta be hey, Jacob, 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.760 come on, man, come on you, I didn't recognize you 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.440 with your Yeah. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.040 If the visor give. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:28.200 Me A. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.840 Really true friendly fire is the worst because you're not 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.640 set up for it. You're not ready for the direction 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:39.080 it's coming in, so it's way likely to knock you out. Yeah, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.480 I've broken friend's arms before by accident. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.480 Come on, who hasn't, And then you're going for a 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:45.600 beer after with the good arm. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.160 They had a guy in a headlock, you know, and 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.720 I hit him with an axe. I was going for 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.000 the guy's head and I missed. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.480 And I did that in the way into the studio. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.800 That's no big deal. Don't feel bad about that. 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.320 The worst I've ever done is knocked a Danish out 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.680 of Jason's hand, and that's because it had a fly on. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.160 I was saving you. So Simon is funding. Some of 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.920 the stories are it's funded by the Russian mafia, some 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.320 oligarchist funny who puts up the prize money and. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.520 Who puts up the money? 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.400 So early on the Russian teams were funded by like 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:27.360 the son of a Russian oliguard who was involved in 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.760 a way that I can't quite describe because I don't 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.880 speak Russian. But let's just say that there's lots of 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:38.160 betting going on, right, okay, and the sportsmanship from the 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.880 Russian fighters was good, but the cheating from the organization 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.000 was notorious, got it, which is, you guys touched on 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:44.560 that a little bit. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.080 So you've heard that story about the guy who was 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.720 up the win and they were holding his belt through 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.240 the ring or whatever they went. 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.320 Joel had the camera up in the stands and he 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.240 had a high speed camera. I went through about twenty 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.320 thousand pictures and found the first five sent those out 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.480 because I'd heard that it happened, and. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.199 The guy denied it, denied it, denied it. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.199 So my friend Joel had the fancy camera and I 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.919 went up there and went through the pictures. Found the 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.720 guy reaching through the fence and holding the Russian fighter up. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.080 And the thing is, the Russian fighters were good enough 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.280 to beat us, they didn't have to do that. But 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.840 there's sort of this mentality of for not cheating or 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.800 not trying hard enough or something like that, which is. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.280 We have a pillow my living, we have another pillow 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.200 my friend my father handed that down. Yeah. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.919 So yeah, so then that actually started where that started 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:40.000 a fissure, and after that those pictures came out and 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.080 there's no denying it because the video of that fight 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:47.639 mysteriously disappeared. It was a new organization, So all the 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:52.720 Western countries minus Russia formed a new organization called the 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:57.840 IMCF for more fair competitions. I fought in that World 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.480 Championship and actually won the World Tampionship. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.760 In the fisher mentioned you are, I didn't do that 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.359 in the intro. You are a world champion multiple times 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.440 and medals around the world. So who funds this organization? 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.480 If that one was funded that way initially? Where does 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:13.840 the prize money come from? 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.800 Well, now it comes from event organizers that want to 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:22.920 sell tickets or merchandise or food or tricky legs. But 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.199 there isn't really a ton of prize money. This is 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:26.280 still I was. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.720 Going to say, what's I was going to say, is it? 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:30.720 Is it a belt, the trophy. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.120 Late or suggest for the love of a concussion. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.080 I have made so many tens of dollars I cannot 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:37.560 tell you what dollars. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.359 Yeah, I've made yeah. No. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.920 So the largest person I had was on a History Channel. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:43.760 It was ten K. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.040 And they had a History Channel series called Night Fight, 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.360 and they did a season of it. 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.320 I was on episode seven. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.280 Ten K. That doesn't even pay for a kevlar jocks. 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:58.960 Rep No, it would pay for maybe two suits of armor. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:18:59.800 But that's about it. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.840 Well, that's why. So I was going to ask that, Hey, 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:05.600 it's an investment to do this, but. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.320 Even where do you where do you go for a 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:12.800 suit of armor? And the other question, I'll throw them 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.280 all at your answer and anywhere you want. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:20.640 My impression is, if I'm covered in steel, what's what's 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.280 hurting me? How how come I'm still getting hurt inside? 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.440 That can? All right? 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.879 Well, to answer your question about injury, it's probably the 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.240 same reason why people still get hurt in car accidents. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:36.720 Nothing is proof against sufficient force, sure you know. So 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.400 the seat belts leave a massive bruise that will cover 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.159 your whole torso get in a car accident, So it's 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.200 the same thing. It's And then the joints in the armor. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.119 The joints in the armor have gaps because you have 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.040 to be able to move. So if you want to 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.439 hurt somebody the most, you aim for those gaps. You 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.520 learn to see your opponent's armor and you learn to 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.240 identify their weaknesses based off the armor type. And so 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.760 sometimes the shoulders will comes over and leave a gap 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.240 right here, so you can hit somebody right in the scapula, 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.840