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Speaker 1: start changing it with the bel Cast. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Beckdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Durante. My

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Speaker 1: name is Jamie Loftus. Yeah, we're doing our last names

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Speaker 1: now because of someone who's in the room who can't

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Speaker 1: like you can't talk yet. This bothers our male guests,

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Speaker 1: and they usually don't make it. They usually don't interrupt

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and just call out Jack O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it. We'll do a loud laugh while we're

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Speaker 1: doing the intro, and it's like you're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: micro Aggression l episode slamming the table basically through the

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Speaker 1: is Hampton? For sure? But we are very excited for

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Speaker 1: our guest today. So wait, we didn't say with the podcast, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're still in the Power Zone right now the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: Casts our podcast about women and how they're portrayed in movies,

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Speaker 1: and wouldn't you know that mainstream Hollywood cinema does not

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Speaker 1: portray women very well until very recently. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: have you checked your news out? It's pretty bad out there.

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Speaker 1: But we've done several movies recently that came out this

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Speaker 1: year that have fared very well by our standards. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I Tanya, Ladybird Girls Trip Hidden Figures came out last year. Yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: so you know we're there's options, it's getting a little better,

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Speaker 1: there's more options. Historically, Hollywood has not portrayed women well.

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Speaker 1: the test, we would like to see movies have two

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Speaker 1: not happen a lot, not enough, but I'm very excited

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Speaker 1: for today's episode. It's a common request when we ask

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Speaker 1: lot of requests for like Legally Blonde as well, which

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Speaker 1: we did on the Patreon. So subscribe and then maybe

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Speaker 1: you can hear about what I think about Victor Garber

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Speaker 1: spoiler alert. This movie. Yeah, we get requests for it

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Speaker 1: because it's a it's a great movie. It's a cult classic.

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Speaker 1: Josie and the Pussycats. Yes, and I'm so excited for

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Speaker 1: our guest today. She's a friend of the cash, she's

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Speaker 1: owns and operates a nonprofit art space right here in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: California called Junior High. You gotta check this place out.

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Speaker 1: It's great, it's the best. She's a wonderful visual artist.

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Speaker 1: It's fay or left for crying out loud. I can

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Speaker 1: talk now you can. Thanks for asking permission. Once you

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Speaker 1: Josie the Pussycats. Stick to you do? They're so good? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: weird story point that Josie and Melon val from moment one.

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00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: Anytime they're talking about the band, they never say like

421
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: we play music because we love music. They say, we

422
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: play music that we want a record deal, like they're

423
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: fucking capitalists from the moment when which was like, I mean,

424
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: that's just like a choice, but it was it was interesting.

425
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that pays off later when

426
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: they're like corporate greed is actually bad. But like for

427
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: a moment when they not only are very they're like,

428
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: we want to be famous and we want a record deal,

429
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: and that is the objective a little more so than

430
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: the music at first, but they also viewed and they're

431
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: playing bowling alleys, and they say a few from times

432
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: that they viewed du Jour as their direct competition. It's like,

433
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you were playing a bowling at like you're

434
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: check out. But there's that scene when they're on the

435
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: airplane and because they're like taking a flight to go

436
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: and get famous, that's the plane that has all of them,

437
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: like the target plane or is it the one that

438
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: has all the phones on the Motorola plane? That one

439
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: um So in that scene they have this like nice

440
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: conversation about how we're going to be friends first in

441
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: a band. Second, like they're prioritizing so not necessarily prioritizing

442
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: their music over anything, but like they're prioritizing their friendship

443
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: over being in a band. So I mean that to

444
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: me redeems them for maybe being a little bit too capitalist,

445
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: and the fact I don't even think that that's bad.

446
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: I just thought that that's like kind of weird, like

447
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: not something I noticed at first, because I feel like

448
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: usually when we're introduced to these stories, it's like, and

449
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: we just like love playing music so much, and it's

450
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: about the art. And but for like, I mean, like

451
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: iviously they care about the music. But the reason we

452
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: have that whole like scene at their house is I

453
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: think we're supposed to understand that they live together and

454
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: they're broke, and I think that's driving like this capitalist

455
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: need more so than like the fame aspect, because they

456
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: don't seem to really care about that. They just want

457
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: to be able to like not eat raman like they're

458
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: specifically like eating. They're sharing and they say they're the

459
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: only people in the history of Riverdale to share a

460
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: bus pass. There are all three of them in their

461
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: bus pass. I just broke. It's more of a commentary

462
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: on how artists don't get paid who good point taken Wow,

463
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: the guest. Uh it really overstaying interesting? Interesting choice. Fine,

464
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: I've been displaced and I quit And actually this is

465
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: the first time in my life I've ever been wrong.

466
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: The hard day for me. Um. There's a couple of

467
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: things I want to mention, things that I did not

468
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: enjoy way about the movie. One is the trope that

469
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: drives me nuts. Where a movie to show that the

470
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: girl is not like the other girls. She's good at

471
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: fixing cars. We see it in that stupid Julie Roberts

472
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: movie about running away from your wedding and Pretty Woman

473
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: of her Cars. Really, I haven't seen it in a

474
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: long time. I need to rewatch Pretty Woman, Megan Fox,

475
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: Megan Fox and Transformers. Although there's a good case to

476
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: be made there or whatever there's there's sometimes when it happens,

477
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: I am totally fine to accept it, like in Titania

478
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: when that happens, or in Hidden Figures when it happens.

479
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: But to me, they're like nothing about her skill to

480
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: being good at fixing cars doesn't pay off at any

481
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: point in the story, or it just it just feels

482
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: intact on to this movie. It's weird and I don't

483
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: think ever comes back and I feel like that that

484
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: is like kind of cinematic shorthand for like, she's a

485
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: guy's girl, can hang and uh, And I think that

486
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: that's all that we're supposed to take away from that,

487
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: And it's just because that suns d's Alan M's car

488
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, my truck died, you gotta help

489
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: me fix it. And they're sort of like kind of

490
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: flirting and bonding during that scene while she's fixing, straight

491
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: up playing guitar acoustic guitar, barefoot a car. He's awful. Yeah,

492
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: And anyone shows up and starts playing the acoustic guitar

493
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: at me, I'm fully upset at me. You can't just

494
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: play it near me, You're playing it at me directly.

495
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: I would love to link in this episode the band

496
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: camp extension for my ex boyfriend who wrote the full

497
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: album Your Body Is Dumb after I broke up with them.

498
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: Never play the guitar around me, I'll scream, I'm sorry.

499
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: The boy you texted earlier was a drummer, so I listen,

500
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: you can do that facet of his personnel. You can

501
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: drum around me. That's fine, okay. I've never had an

502
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: issue with drummers. People it's acoustic guitar. No, I had

503
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: the same guitar ex boyfriend thing. It was like and

504
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: the kind of the base went home from college, saw

505
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: him over this summer. Literally asked if while we were

506
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: like hanging out, just sitting like bias her in a

507
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: suburban town in Maryland, if he could take out his

508
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar and play something. And I was like, I guess, oh,

509
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm bone dry. I'm basically a eunuch. If you play that,

510
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: I've never if you wouldn't make someone less horny than

511
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: they've ever been in their life. And I would say

512
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty on a pretty high horny percentile. If the

513
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: country you're constantly loved, I will say him at all times.

514
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: But man, if you're considering playing the acoustic guitar, it's

515
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: you're doing it for you, and it's so clear when

516
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: you're doing that. I play my guitar and it's like, no, No,

517
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: you know who doesn't do that drummers because they would

518
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: also look crazy, that would I thought, if I just

519
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: bring my little rupert pad out and I have I

520
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: have a great track record with drummers. My high school

521
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: boyfriend was drummer, and you are a clarinetist shout out, yes,

522
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: it's okay, you can was a clarinetist. Okay, we're clarinet really,

523
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: that's why I got confused. I was a double read girl.

524
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Not to sorry, just the one single reads for me.

525
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: We should probably be in a band to clarinets A

526
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: reality of the pussy Cats, Jamie and the Tidy Cats.

527
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: It's perfect good clarinet like that kind of physical response

528
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: my blood pressure just like a wow. Okay, So anyway,

529
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: more about the movie. Another thing that I didn't necessarily

530
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: pick up on that much until this sort of watching

531
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: this movie through the Bechtel cast lens was the fact

532
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: that the band so Josie, Val and Mel are all

533
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: really mean to their manager's sister, whose name is Alexandra.

534
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: So they have a there's a character named Alexander, he

535
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: is their band manager, and then his sister played by

536
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Missy Pyle, Alexandra, like they do a lot of like

537
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: body shaming to her. They're like she comes in and

538
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: they basically call her fat. They're like, oh, did you

539
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: lose weight or something like that. She's at one point

540
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: like putting on lip glass and values like, oh that

541
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: lip glass won't hinde your mustache, like they're doing. They're

542
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: like really cruel to her in a way that I

543
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: don't understand why this is, and it feels really unneeded

544
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: and bizarre. It's a very bizarre. But like I would

545
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: almost to the parade almost rather and I know that

546
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: this is like Archie Cannon or whatever, but I would

547
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: almost rather that character not even be there than her

548
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: be there and only be used for the things that

549
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: she's used for, because it really is like she there's

550
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: no consistency with her other than like she hates, like

551
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: she's like jealous. She doesn't even like work for them.

552
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: She's just around and around and mean and like her,

553
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: she's only driven by and I mean, listen, I can

554
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: relate to living a life driven by spite. But it

555
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: just it does doesn't make sense with the story. It's weird.

556
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: They do like kind of bring it and they're like

557
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: they said to her, why are you here? And she

558
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: says I was in the comic books. It's very fourth Wake.

559
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: But the fact that the way they treat each other,

560
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, but if you're that aware of how you're

561
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: adapting it, then it's like, do a better job with

562
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: that character. Yeah, I mean, there's two thousand one, the

563
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: body positivity movement wasn't popular yet, so there was lots

564
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: of body shaming in this movie. And it's I don't know,

565
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: it's just a glaring thing in an otherwise perfect movie.

566
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: Um no, yeah, so I it's so easy to insert

567
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: the trope in a movie of like girls being petty

568
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: and caddy towards each other. And it really liked me

569
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: this time around seeing it. I I'm interested in your

570
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: thoughts on this late days. Uh. For Vale's character played

571
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: by Rosario Dawson, I feel like, and it made me

572
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: think about because she's the only woman of color in

573
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: this movie, I think, is that true? Well, that's depressing,

574
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: and I feel like her character is like underdeveloped in

575
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: in comparison to the other two in the band. Obviously,

576
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Josie is going to be the most characterized, she's the protagonist,

577
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: but it's I feel like there is a tendency, especially

578
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: when she's already being presented as a token character like

579
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: she's you know, she's the only woman of color we

580
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: see on screen, that the movie kind of like sabotages

581
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: characters like this. I think it happens in The Craft

582
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: a lot as well, where the one woman of color.

583
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: We see she gets less to do, and mainly what

584
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: we know about her is that she is supportive of

585
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: the white people around. Like that's really all we know

586
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: about that, Like, and she's integral to the plot obviously,

587
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: but like Terror read like she has a very distinct

588
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: character and it's like she's ado fist, She's all you know,

589
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a forty five minutes scene with her

590
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: in Carson Dalia and I'm going to love every second

591
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: of it. Josie has like very distinct personality trades. Val

592
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: does not really have that, and I feel like what

593
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: she mainly has is that she is supportive of the

594
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: other two. And uh, that's just something that I thought

595
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: about the characterization there. Yeah, she's definitely robbed in terms

596
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: of like having a developed character. Yeah, it does feel

597
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: a lot like usually if there's a movie with mostly

598
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: white women and then one woman of color, that character

599
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: often we know the least about her background, her backstory,

600
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: her family life, anything like that. We know the least

601
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: about that, We know the least about her personality. And

602
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: I think that where a too hazard to guess. I

603
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: would think that because there are so many white writers

604
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: in you know, Hollywood working. I feel like there might

605
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: be like a feeling of like, oh, well, there's only

606
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: one person of color in the entire cast. I don't

607
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: want to fuck it up because but then the result

608
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: is they just don't really write a character for that person,

609
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: and that is also not a good result, and that

610
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: just means that we should have people are writing a

611
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: movie exactly. I think that's what Sophia Coppola said when

612
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: she wrote and directed that Beguiled adaptation, where she's like,

613
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how to I am not a person color,

614
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: so I don't know how to write character. Yeah, I

615
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: didn't know what the Bechdel test was. Who the consequences

616
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: of that, Like, I understand the hesitancy to misrepresent a

617
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: character if you do not have that same experience, right,

618
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: but then like talk to something exactly, it's give someone

619
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: else work, you know, it's or let that like co

620
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: write something with someone. If you want to write a

621
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: movie where some of the characters are people of color, excellent,

622
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: bring on a co writer, bring out consult with people.

623
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: Like it is not hard, I mean, and it's not

624
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: it's not egregious in Josie and the Pussycats, but it

625
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: is just like something that I was thinking. She also

626
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: has the worst makeover. I mean it's like every highlights

627
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: on a shadow, she's just like, we'll brush your hair

628
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: for a minute. And I feel like they dress her

629
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: in outfits that are not flattering to her, which is

630
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: crazy because it's like, what is not going to hang? Well,

631
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: she's a babe Rose. Sorry, I know, it's just really bizarre.

632
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: She's perfect. That make over scene is speaking of tidy cats.

633
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: That make over scene is so blue? Why was that

634
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: was that whole scene shot in like fluorescent lighting? Because

635
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: there it's so it's that scene makes me laugh because

636
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: it's blue in a way that most is usually reserved

637
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: for action movies, right, sci fi kind of stuff, very blue.

638
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: And then they're they're so uncomfortably improvising through this scene.

639
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Were like at one point, Terror is just like holding

640
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: a brush and she's like, yeah, you're like throw some

641
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: cotton balls at each other. It'll be hilarious. Just like

642
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: interpretation of the Blue was that it was supposed to

643
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: be kind of like surgical, like they were supposed to

644
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: be like going through this very like regimented like idea

645
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: of beauty and marketing and branding to like because it

646
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: felt very like it does look sterile. Yeah yeah, yeah,

647
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: everyone's wearing like lab coats and ship Yeah. But it

648
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: also maybe one of their key lights broke ye. Maybe

649
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: they're like, we have all these blue gels, what seemed

650
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: to use them in I just inherited a bunch of

651
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: blue gels to my ground, like twenties cents. I'm fat

652
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: with blue gels right now. We have got to use it.

653
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: And I also, do you think and do we know,

654
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: because you know so much about Cannon, were they friends?

655
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: They don't seem like they ever spent a moment together

656
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: outside of the set of Jesse the Pettycats actors. No,

657
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: they made that very clear during the Q and X

658
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: incredibly drunk or incredibly something and just kept bringing up

659
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: like she was like, we haven't really seen each other

660
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: since then, but that was such an incredible time, just

661
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: like over It's like that was your time. Oh God,

662
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: can we just talk about her character for a second,

663
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: because I mentioned she's just I don't even know what

664
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: they're going for. She's very I mean, she's this characters

665
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: like she loves rainbows and puppies and she you know,

666
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: just wants everyone to get along. And you know she's

667
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: got a heart of gold, but she's also just extremely

668
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: annoying and stupid, and it's like, don't why why write

669
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: a character like that? I think I've had a Yeah again,

670
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not familiar with the Archie comics, so

671
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how that character is represented in those,

672
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: But I don't know. She's just and maybe it's just

673
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: because it's terror Read bringing that role to life, and

674
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think she's very talented. Wow. Yeah, sorry guys,

675
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: we're going to go there hot take terror Read maybe

676
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: not the most talented actor. I am not a feminist icon. Sorry. No.

677
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of that is like stories,

678
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: because when in the comic book world you literally have

679
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: like this is the dumb friend because you have talk

680
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: bubbles to work with. It wasn't like really fleshed out.

681
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: But I'll always make the argument with that, when you're

682
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: adapting something, you can take the liberty to change or

683
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: turn it down a little bit. I mean, I think

684
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: with the casting choice, they made it clear what they

685
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: wanted the character to be, not to keep piling on

686
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: terror Read. Anyways, the scene between her and Carson Daly

687
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: is great. It should be put in the museum. Carson

688
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: Daly is so boring. And in that scene too, this

689
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite, Like there's all these cardboard

690
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: cutouts of like TRL guests and if you watch it

691
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: you can really spot out. It's like, can't how many

692
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: predators are in frame right now? A lot of what's

693
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: that word you use when we talked about the Gride, Oh,

694
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: stuff that's in the frame. That that's a film degree. Yeah,

695
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: I recognize it for my own film degrees. That word

696
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: speaking of, I also have a film I was wondering

697
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: when you were going to ask me on send the

698
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: means on send and the Carson Daily scene is full

699
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: of what we now know to be sexual. There's no

700
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: less than for Johnny Depps in that there's a ton

701
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: of There's a ton of Matt Damon's also, Arie Spears

702
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: problematic guy. There are a number of like peers of

703
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: ours comedians. He was on Man TV for a while.

704
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: There are several he did a Cosby impression that was

705
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: like he did Causby impression. Yikes, doesn't talk well at all,

706
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: of course, and then as a person comedian friends of

707
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: ours will like post something on Twitter and he will

708
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: then troll them a lot for like stuff that they've

709
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: said he's not a good airy spears, Yeah, slide right

710
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: into our mentions. Spears, Yeah, I dare you. I'm kidding. No,

711
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: I really don't want any come place, don't, don't, don't,

712
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: don't talk to us. I just want to quickly talk

713
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: about the Alexander character. Their band manager. One, he physically

714
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: strikes his sister apparently more than once in a day

715
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: because he kicks her in the shin or something like that,

716
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: and she's like oh. He's like, oh, I'm sorry that

717
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: my bad. I was an accident, but that was twice

718
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 1: since one day. Huh, so he's like heated lee hitting

719
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: her Another weird choice. Why do we see this choice

720
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: being made of a man physically striking a woman and

721
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: then later on this guy's a piece of ship because

722
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: later on they're all in the bathroom after Alan Cumming

723
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: has been like here have a record deal, and they're

724
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: like the Starbucks back there in Starbucks and they're like

725
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: this is suspicious. This is all happening really fast, and

726
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: Alexander comes in and he's like, what if you're like

727
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: having a band meeting, I should be here, and they're

728
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: like this is the ladies room, which like, why do

729
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: we have to have separate Russian and two one? Speaking

730
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: of tidy? You thought I was gonna so And then

731
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: they're like, we'll get out of here. This is the

732
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: ladies room, and he's like, what it is? Nothing I

733
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: haven't seen before, And then I think val In an

734
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: attempt to get him to leave, she's like, anyone have

735
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: changed for a tampon? And he's like, bye, gross, So

736
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: no comments. He can't, he can't hang. He cannot. He's

737
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: not just one of the girls. He's not Joe's even

738
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: bet he's I bet he's probably probably because he's fixing

739
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: too many cars, something I definitely has to do with

740
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: a car. He is fucking the tail type of a

741
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: car and it's not a damp on insight, No, no tampons.

742
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: I think if we just saw had you know, if

743
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: men hung none used hampons around their rooms kind of

744
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: like dreamcatchers, that would be nice, that would be nice.

745
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: And then if you wake up and there's a bloody

746
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: tampon hanging in a man's room, it just means that

747
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: they had a dream. What I think that like like

748
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: mobiles that go of our baby's cribs should actually just

749
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: be dirty, damp on, not dirty. Although maybe, let's why

750
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: are we shaming women for bleeding? Free bleed all the time?

751
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: On your baby? This is a final way of feminism,

752
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: the last way. It's just like stick it, okay, if

753
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: we can get back on track the point and I don't,

754
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: I also might be reaching, but please, the movie isn't

755
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: making a comment on this, which is you know, not

756
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: the biggest deal because there's a quick scene and like,

757
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: that's this is not what this movie is about him

758
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: being grossed out by bodily functions. But I feel like

759
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: we almost never see representation of a man not being

760
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: grossed out by a woman bleeding, And it would have

761
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: been a nice opportunity for him to be like I

762
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: don't care about tampons, and then I don't see it,

763
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, you missed an opportunity movie, yeah

764
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: for him, or maybe you know, maybe win some points

765
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: back and be like I have a quarter yeah, And

766
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we should have to be paying for

767
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: these right? Why are we not giving amazing moment icon?

768
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: Why are we paying for there's a public health issue

769
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: there anyways, there's a few oh you mentioned Jamie. The

770
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: scene when they're recording in the studio for the first time,

771
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: wind blowing. Where's it coming from? Why do we have

772
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: to see women's hair blowing around? I think that that

773
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: was a joke, Like because Cook's hair is going it

774
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: is like, I want to bear a breeze. It was

775
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: designed and knowing a breeze would just survive design for

776
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: a breeze. Yeah. Yeah, And so it's like I want

777
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: to hear the recordings of that session because it would

778
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: all be like, it's just hard. And then terror Reid

779
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: hitting a symbolic it's a full on. That's like, if

780
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: that is a joke, it's one of my favorite jokes

781
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: in the whole time. I think it's I don't know

782
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: if it's a joke. I feel like if it was

783
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: a joke, they would have played up the wind more.

784
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: It's almost a subtle to be a joke. I don't

785
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: know either way. He's not known for its subtlety. No,

786
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: it's not shout in a weird scene when I don't

787
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: know what to make of this, but you see him

788
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: like he's giving this instructional, like here's what we do

789
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: with this company. We trick teenagers into buying a bunch

790
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: of crap. He's like, we live the most ass kicking

791
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: country in the world. And then this woman in a

792
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: bikini like stands by him in like way of the

793
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: American flag, which is a joke. But I think that

794
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: that's commentary because he's wrong, and all we all know

795
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: that they're they're weird. Money fuck Dungeon is wrong. There's

796
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: no way around it. I feel like we haven't talked

797
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: that much about Parker Posey's character. I love female villains.

798
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: I like that we have a male and a female

799
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: villain in this movie. Mainly, I feel like, probably just

800
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: to let Alan coming in, Parker Posey be together, and

801
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: they're so great together, and it's like can you kiss?

802
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: They do? I know they do, and but but it's

803
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: like not in every scene, and I love My favorite

804
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: moment is when I think they do like a laugh

805
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: off in in her creepy bedroom like a villain so good.

806
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: I love it. Any other two actors, that's the worst

807
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: scene of all time. It's insufferable. The main thing I

808
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: want to say about Josie the Pussycats is that it's

809
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: a It's not a movie that's seeking to dismantle the

810
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: patriarchy necessarily it's a fun movie. It doesn't necessarily have

811
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: an agenda, except it has the like anti corporate, anti

812
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: capitalist agenda, but that also feels weird in a movie

813
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: that has so much product placement. Although it makes me

814
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: feel better that those companies did not pay because like

815
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: it could have been like really cheap for them to

816
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, yeah, we can just make a

817
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: bunch of money of this movie. That we're saying is

818
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: at they did that too, though, it's like taking the

819
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: money of these big corporations and making fun. Yeah, that's true.

820
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: I'm kind of there for that. Yeah, but I think

821
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: it's they could work either way. Yeah, so that's that's

822
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: more the agenda of the movie than necessarily be Well,

823
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I totally agree that. It's like

824
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: it seems like the you know, whatever, the objective of

825
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: this movie was decided and then you know, other areas

826
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: were not given as careful consideration as we would help

827
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: where it's like we basically see of the female characters,

828
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: especially we see like one body type of across the board.

829
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: It's a very thin movie. It's a very white movie.

830
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: It's you know, like there's obviously places where it could

831
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: be doing much better and that should be acknowledged. But

832
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: also it is like such a good money so and

833
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: it like, God, did you see Alan Comming? Oh, we

834
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: didn't talk about the most important scene in the movie,

835
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: which is when Alan Cumming is driving his car sponsored

836
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: by Ray Band. So he's looking for his new band

837
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: and I'm already like, oh, Alan Comming is on screen right,

838
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: and then he almost hits Josie and the Pussycats with

839
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: his car. And then it's like this moment where Meat

840
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: loaves Paradise by the dashboard light. Is meat Love one

841
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: of the greatest actress of our generation. Sorry, one of

842
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: the currently one of the worst singers in the entire world. Sorry,

843
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: And then Alan Comming breaks the fourth wall turns and

844
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: doesn't he like wink or something. Yeah, he gives like

845
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: a slide, little like smile. No one does a better.

846
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: He should have gotten an oscar just for that. My

847
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: favorite Alan Coming performance ever is like one second in

848
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: an HBO commercial where it's like, I don't even know

849
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: what they pulled from, but I've watched the commercial a

850
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: lot where there's it's Alan coming on stage. I think

851
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: it's like a tape live performance and he just goes Broadway,

852
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: and you're just like, there it is. We don't need

853
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: to make art anymore or porn, or we can all

854
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: retire that's beautiful and sexual beings. We can retire Broadway

855
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: by speaking of tiny cats. Let's talk about that. Whether

856
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: or not this movie passes the Bechdel test, I think, yes, yeah,

857
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: sure it does. I like how we pause, like we've

858
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: done a lot of movies lately where there's like not

859
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: even a discussion to be had about it. We're just like, yes,

860
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: of course it does. They talk about their music a

861
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: lot in Friendship Friendship, and and there's a lot of

862
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: female characters, but we didn't really talk about the friendship aspect.

863
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: But I do like think that it is great to

864
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: see female friendship portrayed in a way that is like

865
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: very supportive and loving throughout because it's you know, like

866
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: the corporate Alan Cumming and Parker Posey try to drive

867
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: a wedge into the friendship and they can't because well

868
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: they do for like a quick moment, right, But I

869
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: mean that's like with weird science. But it's like, but

870
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: if there's never there's never a moment, and then like

871
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: even when there's never a moment, which is not manufactured

872
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: by these villains that tears them apart. It's a very

873
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: strong friendship. Cheetah Girls a little bit different. I have

874
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: no idea what Cheetah Girls is really the Disney movie.

875
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: Is it a like Disney original even Simone? Yeah, and

876
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: the girl who went on to date Rob Kardashian from

877
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: three and then the other girlfriend three and then the

878
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: white girl. But is it a Disney Channel movie? Yeah,

879
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: it is. It is a d com. Okay, that's why

880
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: I've never seen a single Disney Channel never seen. I

881
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever missed one. I just started my

882
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: own podcast. Is me watching decom? Would I have to

883
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: skip Smart House? I'm still scared of it? Are you

884
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: still scared? Has so much power over them. I think

885
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: about that House is that it was very smart. By

886
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: the way, Aristotle was in the corner giggling his little

887
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: face off. All right, you can take over hosting a

888
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: Smart House episode. Who is who is the male star

889
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: of Smart House? Wasn't it this? No? No, it was

890
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: a white family. I thought it. I thought it was

891
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: the boy from Smart Guy for a second now anyway,

892
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, the female friendship. We see a similar thing

893
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: in like Spice world where they're you know, they're Do

894
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: you think there would be conflict in a in a

895
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: band scenario where there's always you know, there's egos, and

896
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of stuff that might come between them

897
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: as a band and as friends. But the only thing

898
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: that does briefly come between this band, enjosing the Pussycats,

899
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: is manufactured by the villains. It's literal brainwashing, brainwashing, and

900
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: she barely succumbs. She's comes to it, but then she

901
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: quickly figures out like, hey, like this is weird, and

902
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: she figures out what's happening. And that's to say that again,

903
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: the female characters of this movie are driving this story.

904
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes in movies, even if there is a female protagonist,

905
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: like she doesn't even get to like figure out the

906
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: big mystery or like even participate in the climax of

907
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: her own movie, which is what we saw. And like

908
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: snow White in The Seven Word or in Aladdin where

909
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: Jasmine is literally physically thrown out of the screen while

910
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: the conflict is resolved. Yeah, she's also wearing she's also

911
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: a sex slape. There's a lot going on. Goods can't

912
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: wait to sit forward? Are you going to do that? Oh?

913
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure that that red bikini. I mean

914
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: that was a large part of my child as far

915
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: as a queer icon any miago iago. So yeah, the

916
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: female characters in this movie are without question participating in

917
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: the story, driving this story. Uh, their friendships are solid.

918
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: It's a fun movie. You know it's you gotta watch it.

919
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: You gotta watch it. Check it out. It's great to

920
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: see women being funny and contributing to the comedy of

921
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: the movie. A lot of times in a comedy, female

922
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: characters are robbed of any opportunity to be funny. So

923
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: that's great for this movie. Um, should we write the movie.

924
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: Let's write it. Yeah, let's write it. Let's write the movie.

925
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: On our nipple scale of zero to five nipples based

926
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: on its portrayal of women, I'm gonna give it four

927
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: because I think the main characters, especially Val and Mel,

928
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: could have been more fleshed out. Especially Vale, like you said,

929
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: being the only person of color, she feels a bit sidelined.

930
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: Her character doesn't feel as developed as the others. And

931
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, you can still, you can have a

932
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: dumb character and have that not be so annoying. And

933
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: maybe this is just my personal thing. But Male's character

934
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: to me is insufferable, and anytime she's on screen, I'm

935
00:52:53,880 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: just like, she doesn't bother me. I like when I

936
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: hate that, I like, I don't know, and especially like

937
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: what a boon for terror read to literally play two

938
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: type exactly and make a lot of money doing that's true.

939
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I guess in this episode, I say, you go, girl,

940
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: I guess it all right, say so. Yeah, the characterization

941
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: isn't as great as we would hope. They're also the

942
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: parts when the women of the band are body shaming

943
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: Alexandra and vice versa. That's a weird choice. So there's

944
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: just some kind of weird choices. But overall, I like

945
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: the message of like the all the anti corporate stuff.

946
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: I like just the fact that it's a fun movie

947
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: starring women. You get a woman villain who's a great character.

948
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a four nipples, three for each of the

949
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: members of the band, and the fourth one goes to

950
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: Parker Posey cool faye, what say you? I'm gonna go

951
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: a full five nips on this. It is just like

952
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: my all time favorite movie, and I know it is

953
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: a portrayal of women, but I did watch a when

954
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: I was like eleven and did you feel empowered? I

955
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: think I don't. I didn't. I think it was so

956
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: subtly a movie about girls that were friends that only

957
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: looking back on it now, I'm realizing it's like the

958
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: only movie I watched when I was like a kid

959
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: that I was that was about girls that were friends

960
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: and in a band. And I think it affected me

961
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: a lot in a way that wasn't like it wasn't

962
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: like hit over at ahead with it, which I think

963
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: is it was a movie ahead of its time for

964
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, I think, And yeah, I totally.

965
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with everything we've been saying about

966
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: body types, diversity, and like there's a lot of complexities

967
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: to being a woman that aren't you know, showcase. But

968
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: I think just for this being a two thousand and

969
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: one a movie that's literally about a band of girls

970
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: that are best friends is like special, pretty cool? Who

971
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: are you getting your nippies too? Sorry for making eye

972
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: contact when I said that, I mean I feel like you.

973
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you. Ever, I don't know Ross is

974
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: in there. I'm gonna get five five straight nipples to Jamie.

975
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: Thank you. I hope you use them wisely. I'm going

976
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: to I'm as someone within a regular number of nipples already.

977
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: Just please use those five and I need spirit tires.

978
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: Keep my back pot, keep them in the trunk, keep

979
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: your nips in the Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna give

980
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: it three and a half. Guys. I'm sorry. I love

981
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: this movie so much. It's an unreasonable expectation to be

982
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: like every movie has to be perfect in every single way.

983
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: But I just especially because this is a movie that's

984
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: marketed to young girls, there was there were a lot

985
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: of missed opportunities that I would have liked to see

986
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: capitalized on. But I mean, I don't have anything to

987
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: add in terms of like you pretty much covered it,

988
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: but I do love that there was a major film

989
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: release directed at kids that was about how corporations suck.

990
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: And it's also so funny. I would argue that any

991
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: scene Alan comming isn't with anyone does pass the back

992
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: delt test um. I think we should make good across

993
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: the board because option for that, I've already made that

994
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: exception for Alfred Willina. People are flooding my damn, Jamie.

995
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: Will you pardon Alfred Molina for for not being able

996
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: to pass the desk. Does that mean if Alan Coming

997
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: and Alfred Millina speak to each other in a movie

998
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: that passes the back of course it does, and they

999
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: could be talking about their own penises and it would

1000
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: still pass the backdel test if Alan a scene were

1001
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: Alan Coming and Alfred Billina are like they both whip

1002
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: out their dicks and they're like, let's go straight up

1003
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: care they're measuring. They're measuring a full pass. It's like

1004
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: it's very like just like a nice, calm, peaceful They're like, well,

1005
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: how much is yours instead of like these like normal

1006
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: dick measuring contests where they're like there's there's seuna be

1007
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: gentle motivated by curiosity basically an an s m R video.

1008
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: I hope that happens for you, Jamie. I just want

1009
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: that out in the world for you. And AMR video

1010
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: of Alan Coming Gena measuring each other's peece we all

1011
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: we all want that, but I really want it for you.

1012
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: That is, I will have to make a cartoon of that.

1013
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: And uh, I have to go to this is my

1014
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: own personal smut stash for just me. Well, uh, we've

1015
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: had a blast, charny wait, I didn't give my nipples

1016
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: to anyway. Yeah, I guess who've given him to tidy Cats.

1017
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm gallant. Oh I'll give to to Alan coming and

1018
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: one and a half two tidy Cats. Well, speaking of

1019
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: tidy Cats, Faye, thank you so much for being here.

1020
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: What what would you like to plug? Where find good

1021
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: at fayor love on everything? And then, um, I was

1022
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: going to plug. I thought of it while we were

1023
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: doing this that at Junior High. We're in a vent

1024
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: space for women and we're starting a new series of nights.

1025
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be once a month. My friend Derby's hosting.

1026
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: We came up with like a really clever name that

1027
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but it's movies that are not only

1028
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: featuring women, but may by women. So we're gonna be screening.

1029
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: I think it's like a trailer and then a short

1030
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: and have whoever made the short? They're like female directors producers,

1031
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: and then um, watch a movie. I think we talked

1032
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: about doing Josie in fact, but because that it was

1033
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: made by a woman team. Yes, yes, yes, this movie

1034
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: was written and directed by Harry Elphont and Deborah Cappie

1035
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: and they're really cool. But yeah, so just look on

1036
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: Welcome to Junior high dot com. We have a whole

1037
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: calendar that's not up yet, but just keep your eyes

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00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: out or on Instagram at Welcome to Junior High and um.

1039
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: If you have ideas for similar things, please reach out. Awesome.

1040
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: You can follow the Bechtel Cast on all the social

1041
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: media platforms at Bechtel Cast. You can write and review

1042
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: us on iTunes. That helps us out a lot. What

1043
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: also helps us out is going to our Patreon and subscribing. Yeah,

1044
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: it's it's great. Give us five dollars in oils. Thank you,

1045
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Well. Speaking to tidy cats spy