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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. On Boked episode one four to two of

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Speaker 1: the Hemmor Territory podcast. I'm your host, Brad Rowland, coming

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Speaker 1: to you late on a Sunday evening in late January

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Speaker 1: into Monday, and I am joined as I always am,

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Speaker 1: by Scott Coleman. Scott, as we were talking before we

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Speaker 1: started recording. It's been while since you and I in

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Speaker 1: particular spoke on this podcast. We had some pre recording.

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Speaker 1: There was a transaction in between.

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Speaker 2: But uh, here we are again. How are you hello, Brad?

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Speaker 2: I am doing well. It is nice to see your face.

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Speaker 2: It has been a little while. Maybe that's what the

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Speaker 2: podcast needed for you and I to take any break

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Speaker 2: into will a transaction with jerks and Profar and just

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Speaker 2: a quick little bit of trivia here for you just

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Speaker 2: right off the jump, because this caught me by surprise earlier.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what is two months from Monday? As

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Speaker 2: most folks are going to be listening to this Opening

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Speaker 2: Day I believe is we're going with that? Yeah, opening Day? Yes,

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Speaker 2: we are sixty days away, six zero sixty days away

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Speaker 2: from opening day, which you know, for an off season

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Speaker 2: that has been so slow for most of it up

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Speaker 2: until seventy two hours ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting close.

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Speaker 2: I think pitchers and catchers report in like three weeks

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Speaker 2: and then full team a week later, and I think

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Speaker 2: And I mean I kind of I looked at a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the countdown is kind of on now, and I

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Speaker 1: guess we were trying to slow it down a little

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Speaker 1: I'm ready for it to be there. In some respects,

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Speaker 1: we should say it was top of the show if

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Speaker 1: we if you have any new list eners in the podcast,

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Speaker 1: which we hopefully do. We are part of a Fouat territory.

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Speaker 1: As a network, we are Hammer Territory. We cover the

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Speaker 1: Braves all year round, really truly all year round. We

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Speaker 1: though we probably should at some point because that's just

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Speaker 1: sick of behavior. But hey, here we are through sixty

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Speaker 1: five and if you missed it, number one there we

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Speaker 1: did an emergency podcast. I wasn't on there of course.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course the one thing that Braves do

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Speaker 1: was on the same night as a Hawk's home game,

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Speaker 1: But we were salvaged more than salvage, I would say,

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Speaker 1: by the three man trio, Scott, Steven and Sean. But

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Speaker 1: it was about the Braves signing Jerks and Profar to

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Speaker 1: a three year deal. If you someone missed that, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to reality. Here we are. The Braves have made

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Speaker 1: their first big splash of the winner, and I mean

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Speaker 1: we did a full podcast about that, but it was

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Speaker 1: a reaction episode. Things have happened since then. Alex has

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Speaker 1: So we'll kind of talk about that a little bit

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Speaker 1: Profar too, to twenty twenty five, now that there's been

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Speaker 1: some more projections out there that are kind of Braves

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Speaker 1: interest in a couple of pictures that we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: at the end of the podcast. But I mean, Scott

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Speaker 1: number one, is there anything that you'd like to add

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Speaker 1: to what you already said of a JERKSI Profar, Because

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Speaker 1: I'm not weighed in. We don't have to have Brad

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Speaker 2: You know, no groundbreaking changes from my reaction the other night.

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Speaker 2: I still really like the deal. The money is really reasonable.

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Speaker 2: The more I have thought about what free agents have

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Speaker 2: it's a very reasonable deal for the money. And as

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Speaker 2: course the whole world has been waiting counting down the

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Speaker 2: the podcast, So I will hand over the microphone to you.

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Speaker 1: I joked or not even joked with you on Twitter

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Speaker 1: earlier today that I think one person it's my mom,

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Speaker 1: cares about my opinion about dugs and profile. Everybody else's covered.

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Speaker 1: We're all set on the podcast. But since you asked,

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Speaker 1: I also like it. It was covered by you guys.

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Speaker 1: I won't rehash all of it. I am a believer

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Speaker 1: in the swing changes that you guys talked about on

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Speaker 1: I think, honestly all three of you were if if

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Speaker 1: they were not accompanied, if this breakout did not happen

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Speaker 1: because I am generally a sample sized person like I

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Speaker 1: I buy into it more. The Braves needed someone with

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Speaker 2: in and yes, the Braves are very clearly buying that.

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Speaker 2: Last year was a sign of things to come. As

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Speaker 2: But you got fifteen million dollars. I mean that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, Alex had some interesting comments, which you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the facts say that Profar was the second best

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Speaker 2: from now, if Jared kel Nick is with the Braves

433
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 2: in Florida or if he's ultimately moved in a deal.

434
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,479
Speaker 1: Right, and this isn't a spot where he does have

435
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: a bigger role on paper than a lot of fourth

436
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: outfillders do because of Ronnie, because Rynie's not gonna be

437
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: back for opening Day. Also, there's the potential that Rynie

438
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,719
Speaker 1: might need a DH every once in a while, ye like,

439
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: not play right field every single day, and that means

440
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 1: you need your fourth outfielder to play. He might get

441
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: an injury. If you get an injury, at some point,

442
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: someone's gonna get hurt, right, and Kelnic's the back of

443
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: it all three spots at this moment, which is, you know,

444
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: there's extra utility in the fact that he can play center.

445
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: He's not great in the center because he can fake

446
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: it there. It's fine, So there's more there. Also, I

447
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 1: know that the Braves paid a lot to get him

448
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: in terms of like costs in the moment and capital,

449
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 1: but he doesn't. He makes no money. He's making no money,

450
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 1: So that's potentially appealing for another team as well in

451
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: a trade to your point, but also for the Braves

452
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: having mc him is a fourth outfielder. We've also talked

453
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: about the lack of depth of Braves have. Actually having

454
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: a pretty good fourth outfil is not a bad thing

455
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: to have if you're the Braves, especially with again with

456
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: Ronnie banged up, with Profar defensively a question mark. Harris

457
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: has some injuries, not anything crazy, but he's had some injuries.

458
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: He's not be the most durrible guy in the world

459
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: so far in his career. So having some insurance there

460
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: is appealing.

461
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and elsewhere too, man Like say that Marcelo Zuna

462
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: rolls an ankle and needs to miss some time, Well,

463
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 2: then presumably you would probably have Ronald DH and you

464
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: would have Kelnick play right field, or you would have

465
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: Profar DH and.

466
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: Combination of Yeah, combination of profile and Ronnie probably dhing

467
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: every other day or whatever. Yeah.

468
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 2: Yes, And you know, I would be surprised if this

469
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 2: year Kelnick puts it all together and is suddenly so

470
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 2: great that the Braves can't fathom a lineup without him

471
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: in it. But I do think there's a chance that

472
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: he is better than what he showed on the whole

473
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: last season. And again I said it a little while ago,

474
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 2: but very curious to know. One, if Kelnick is with

475
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: the Braves in a month and two without having a

476
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: crystal ball, just how many games is he going to

477
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 2: play next season? Because it's not just the outfield, but

478
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: as we said at DH, even a first base injury

479
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 2: might prompt something weird where Profar moves to first, or

480
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 2: they have ozoona play first and then they need a DH.

481
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 2: There's more. It's not like he's an exclusive shortstop, and

482
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: if something doesn't happen a shortstop, there's no other way

483
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: for him to get in there. I want to go

484
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: back to Profar with one thing from Alex that looks

485
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: into another conversation we can have about this coming.

486
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: Season with him. So Alex, and this is another direct

487
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: quote Alex said quote. We believe that what he did

488
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: last year is who he is going forward. That's very

489
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: high praise. I don't think so we definitely agree on

490
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: that it's very high praise. I would imagine if you

491
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: went a step further with Alex he might catch that

492
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. But that is what he said. That's

493
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: a direct quote, and we talked about it a little

494
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: bit already. But his stack cast numbers last year were great,

495
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: and it was not the jump was not without merit.

496
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: In fact, if anything, he didn't even outperform as numbers,

497
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: like some guys unperform the numbers. And you know, in

498
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: a lot of seasons or outlier seasons or whatever on

499
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: the braids in recent years, like you know, guys have

500
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: career seasons, then they come back down to earth a

501
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: little bit. It's there's a very normal bit of variance there.

502
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: But there's really nothing under the hood from last year

503
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: that says it's a fluke, right, And that's probably what

504
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: Alex is saying to some degree. But I do want

505
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: to look ahead to Profar's twenty twenty five projections because

506
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: they're out there a little bit now. Fangrafts has this

507
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: depth dart projection that's a combination of zips which our

508
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: friend Dans and Vorski runs Dance have been a commentary

509
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: at Battery Power for a long time. Great great guy.

510
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: I love Dan and also Steamer, two of the more

511
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: prominent projective systems. They're kind of molded into one. They

512
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: do a great job with fangrafts, refan graphs, et cetera.

513
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: Profar's projection right now is a slash line of two

514
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: sixty three point fifty four oh eight with seventeen home

515
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: runs and a one thirteen doucity plus. Now that's considerably

516
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: worse than he was last year, which, by the way,

517
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: makes sense because if you go to those those projectisms

518
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: use history a lot more than stack cast numbers. They're

519
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: looking at the guy's profile. Uh, what I already said earlier,

520
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. Now. If he just if he

521
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: quote unquote just does exactly this, it's a good contract.

522
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: I firmly believe that. And I also think that he's

523
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: I don't I don't, I don't want to use the

524
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: word probably. I think that he's probably better than this

525
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: if you believe last year is real. So that combination

526
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: is very interesting. I wonder what you think, because what's

527
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: chuck out to me was was was that? But also

528
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: he has the second highest projected on base percentage on

529
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: the roster, behind only Ronald Acuna. So that's not a

530
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: small thing even if I, you know, I don't care

531
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: about that an average, but he's a high walk guy. The

532
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: power is what it is. But that stuck out to

533
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: me right away is like, hey, getting on base, be

534
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: high in the order, all those things.

535
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know. One thirteen WRC plus And

536
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: just a quick refresher in case listeners are not familiar.

537
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: WRC plus is effectively a better version of OPS, and

538
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: you'll hear all of us you prefer to it. It's

539
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: basically a weighted version of OPS, where a player who

540
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: plays in course field is obviously going to have advantages

541
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: compared to a player who plays in a cavernous ballpark

542
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: where it's cold at night. YEP, one hundred is league average.

543
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: So last year profar was one forty. That was like

544
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: superstar level, Like that's what Austin Riley and Marcelo Zoona

545
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: do most seasons.

546
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again that was fifteenth best in all of

547
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: Major League baseball. Last year was one forty, which where

548
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: he was.

549
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: So with that said, one thirteen would be a significant

550
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: drop off. The fact you mentioned that the on base

551
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: continues to be a high projection is encouraging to me

552
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: because that is something this team desperately needs. I love

553
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: home runs as much as anybody, but we've seen when

554
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: this team goes cold offensively. What is the common theme?

555
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: They're not hitting homers? And I think in the postseason

556
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: as well, having guys get on base and put pressure

557
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: on opposing pitching staffs and try to get the pitcher

558
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: out of the game earlier instead of just a bunch

559
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: of guys going up there and trying to hit four

560
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty foot homers, Which is great, don't get

561
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: me wrong, but I think we were all in favor

562
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: of infusing some on base into this lineup. Guy Profar,

563
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: I think his career strikeout rate is like fifteen percent

564
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: sixteen percent. It's always been low, and it stayed low

565
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: even last year. It wasn't like Profar just sold out

566
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: and started swinging for the moon on every single pitch

567
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: and saw a strikeout rate double. So I'm encouraged by that.

568
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: You know, it makes sense that the projection models are

569
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: in the one fifteen ish area. I think if he

570
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: gives the Braves anything better than one thirteen. I mean,

571
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to speak for you. I would take

572
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: that all long. Yes, and you know, anything else would

573
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: be gravy. And then of course, defensively, you just hope

574
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: that he's not killing you in left field. Man. If

575
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: we have seen the last few years, the Braves are

576
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: never shy of making defensive substitutions very late in ballgames

577
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: when they're ahead. That could be another way, of course,

578
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: for Kelnick or Eli White or whoever, to get out

579
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: there to kind of protect yourself a little bit from

580
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: some of Profar's shortcomings. Yeah, and I guess that that

581
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: might happen, especially once Ronnie's back and they have some

582
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: more flexibility for sure lay in games. But yeah, I mean, overall,

583
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: I think it's a reasonable projection based on what we've

584
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: seen in the history and last year. I might even

585
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: be a touch higher because I tend to value the

586
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: stock gast stuff more than that I think these projections

587
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: are looking at.

588
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: But I also do also value sample size. So what

589
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to get across was like, hey, I wouldn't

590
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: project him to be as good as last year. That

591
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a hot take. It's funny. I don't know,

592
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: I do I don't have credits the right word, you know,

593
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: coming off of two years ago when the Braves had

594
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: this absurd offensive season. We were doing a podcast on

595
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: another network at that point in time, but we had

596
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: a podcast together and we were kind of saying, hey, guys,

597
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: they're probably not going to be as good on offense

598
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four as they weren't twenty twenty three

599
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: as a team and as a bunch of individual players,

600
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: not because anybody's bad, but because everybody hit. In twenty

601
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: twenty three, Ronnie was basically gone on a baseball field.

602
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: You know, Med also had the best gets season of

603
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: his career, et cetera. C It's like, guys, Matt Olsen

604
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: is probably gonna regress, which is what happened obviously, and

605
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: he went down further than we want him to all

606
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: those things now as a team, and this is something

607
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: we'll say for later on, probably in February, but there

608
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: probably for some positive progression to the meme based on

609
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: how badly last season went, injuries, all that stuff. I

610
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: think with Profar I would project some regression probably from

611
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: last year because he was so so so good that

612
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: he probably comes down. But I don't know if he

613
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: doesn't come down to like the one twenty five range

614
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: like that, that's a really good player. Oh yeah, you

615
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: and I agree one hundred percent. If if I could

616
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: just say sign a piece of paper right now and

617
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: say you get the Steamer depth chart, projection, zips projection

618
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: on jokesp profar and it's this and it's this lash line.

619
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, seven sixty ops Epsteen home runs won't do.

620
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: I would take it. Sign me up. That's a big

621
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: upgrade on what Jerry Knook was last year. That's a

622
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: good player. Is it a grand slam of a contract

623
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: if he does that? No, but it's a double of

624
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: a contract. It's a good contract, and obviously there is

625
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: plenty of room above that that. I think everyone including

626
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: Alex like they probably don't give him the contract if

627
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: you don't believe he has upside beyond what this projection is.

628
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: And hopefully you know you talked about the last two seasons.

629
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three was a study in basically everything going right,

630
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty four was a study and basically everything

631
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: going wrong. Yes, so you would think that the Braves

632
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: would find some middle, some guys would really bounce back

633
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: from from twenty twenty three, or rather twenty twenty four,

634
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: and maybe they're not quite as good as like when

635
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: two thirds of the lineup had career years in twenty

636
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: twenty three. I don't think we can bank on that,

637
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: But I think what I'm trying to say is is

638
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: you should get some positive regression from the returners, and

639
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: Jerks and Profar in a perfect world, is like the

640
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: fifth best hitter on this team, maybe maybe maybe sixth,

641
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe seventh. I mean, there's not a crazy

642
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: world where Jerks and Profar has a good season and

643
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: he is the sixth or seventh best hitter on this

644
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: team behind Acunya, Riley, Olsen, Ozuna, Harris Albe's Murphy right

645
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: like that, that's a legitimate outcome. And yes, oh my gosh,

646
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll do a lot of fun podcasts this

647
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: summer if that's even close to being the case. So again,

648
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: I think adding Profar at a reasonable contract there's some

649
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: real upside baked in, and the Braves are not necessarily

650
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: relying on Profar to come in and be the savior

651
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 2: of this team, because if guys bounce back to their

652
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: career norms, the entire team hasn't hurt again. This could

653
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: be and should be a really good lineup that I think.

654
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: It's why I've come to like the Profi deal even more.

655
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: I think he's only going to help the players around

656
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: him based on the things he does well.

657
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one more thing that I want to get

658
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: in before we go to some pitching stuff and get

659
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: away from Profar, because there's plenty more time talking about Profar.

660
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: Obviously we will spend two episodes on him basically, but

661
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: his twenty twenty two season in San Diego, which I

662
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: referenced a little bit earlier in broad strokes, this projection

663
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: at Fangrafts is actually a little bit better than he

664
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty two, but it's roughly similar. And

665
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: our friends at Fangrafts had him being quote unquote worth

666
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: about nineteen million dollars that season, So I would project

667
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: him even if he just hits this projection, he's a

668
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars player this year, making twelve million dollars.

669
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not all it's not that hardcore

670
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: dollars and says doesn't have to be that way, but

671
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: just one more way of getting up in you know,

672
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: depend on your mindset. If you want to be that

673
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: cold and calculating, like, Okay, twelve million dollars investment, he's

674
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: worth twenty Obviously that's a return that you would like.

675
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: And we're very high. I think in general, we're very

676
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: high on the deal. I think it helps to all Look,

677
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: we'll never lie to the listeners, the four of us,

678
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: I promise you on that, we will tell you what

679
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: we think. I think it helps obviously the enthusiasm be

680
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: to when all four of us like the deal and

681
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: we do. Like I have had plenty of moves with

682
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: the Braves in our coverage lifetime, especially with you and

683
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: I got Scott going back even further than Stephen and

684
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: Sean that we haven't liked. And I've said as much

685
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I know you have as well. This

686
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: is one where like we genuinely just like it, and

687
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: that helps you.

688
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I admitted it a while back.

689
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: I think you would too. You know when they traded

690
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: for Chris Sale a year ago, I mean you and

691
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: I were, we were excited because we could see the vision,

692
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 2: but we were also like, this guy hasn't pitched in

693
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: like seven years, Like it was a much bigger gamble

694
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: than this is yeah, and even though jahe Solaire podcast.

695
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, the the mid season trade, I think we

696
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: were excited and we could see the vision with the bat,

697
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: but we were also very candid and like, this guy's

698
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 2: been a DH for two years. They're taking a big

699
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: gamble by putting him out there. And what happened, but

700
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: like literally every night there was some adventure in the outfield.

701
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: He got hurt too at a hamstring poll made a

702
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: miss time. Like you know, so we do we try

703
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: to keep it real. I think to put a bow

704
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: on Profar at least for tonight. I think all four

705
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: of us are excited about the move. I think we

706
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: all acknowledge that there is some risk with this. But again, man,

707
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: even if Profar comes down a bit, it's still just

708
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: it makes sense for the team. It's a fair contract.

709
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: He's really highly regarded behind the scenes. Robert Murray, who

710
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: broke the deal, was on his podcast. I wanted to

711
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: mention this. Robert Murray said on his podcast that Profar

712
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: is one of like the most beloved clubhouse guys in

713
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: the league. That's not a small thing. He knows some

714
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: of the players on the roster already. So again, all

715
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: good things. I think we're cautiously optimistic that Profar can

716
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: be close to the guy he was last season as

717
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: an All Star, and hey, if he wants to come

718
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: even close to the player he was last year, then

719
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 2: look out because this lineup could be really, really good

720
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: once again. All right, Scott, let's pivot to a little

721
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: bit of pitching stuff at the end of the podcast,

722
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: because there was a little bit I won't call it news,

723
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: there was some reporting right our pre Mark Bowman reported

724
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: I believe it was on Friday, maybe Saturday, one of

725
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: those two Friday or Saturday.

726
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: The Braves have some interest in Ryan Stanek. So, Ryan

727
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Stay is a thirty three year old reliever. He's been

728
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: around for a while. I've seen him pitch many times.

729
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: He had the kind of a rough r last year,

730
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: but purples were pretty good, just a very you know,

731
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: one of those kind of I mean this in a

732
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: nice way, run of the mill, but like, pretty good

733
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: reliever who's been around for a long time. Is that

734
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: is that a fair description of what you would say?

735
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: And Ryan Staneck, He's not a Joe, He's not jo Jomenez.

736
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: He's not going to dominate like that, but he would

737
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: help the bullpen would be what I would frame with this,

738
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: it's good death. He's a veteran guy. I don't I

739
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: don't know what the price would be. He throws hard

740
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: and does miss bats, which the RIfS tend to like.

741
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: And that's kind of all we know right now. There's

742
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: not been numbers thrown around. It's but you know, when

743
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: Boba here's something gets out there, it's like, all right,

744
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: this is worth definitely talking about for a second. If

745
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: they sign them, we'll do a deep dive. Of course,

746
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm Ryan Stantick, but you know, it's all comes off

747
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: the price. But I think he would be a very

748
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: solid addition to the bullpen. Would be my broad in

749
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 1: advanced framing of a potential Deilther.

750
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, relievers, they're they're a hard group to project, Yes

751
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: they are. There's a handful of great ones who are

752
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: great every single year, and then everybody else you're just

753
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: kind of hoping that they have a good year, and frankly,

754
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: sometimes it comes down to just a couple of appearances

755
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: and if the ball bats is one way, their end

756
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: of season stats are great, and if they get absolutely

757
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: blown up for seven runs in a game, it takes

758
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: weeks and months to recover your stats from that from

759
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: that one blow up. Stannik is interesting. He's been around.

760
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: I know Mets fans liked him quite a bit. You know,

761
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: he threw big innings for them in the playoffs, and

762
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: you're right, he would add velocity. Stannik has always had

763
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: a bit of a contact and walk problem. But if

764
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: and this is a big if, but if he can

765
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: harness his command, maybe tweak a mechanic throw strikes more

766
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: consistently with a very very very hard fastball, he can

767
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: and will be effective. So I know Bowman mentioned the

768
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: Cubs are interested. The Cubs just traded for a closer tonight. Actually,

769
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: so the Cubs are presumably not interested, but sure bind

770
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: Stanik for a couple million dollars. Maybe some incentives in there,

771
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: especially if it means then that they can go add

772
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: a good starting pitcher with the money that they have.

773
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: I think, if I had to pick, I would rather

774
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: spend money on a good starting pitcher and just take

775
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: a couple of flyers on a Stannic type of arm

776
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: and then it compared to the other way, where you

777
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: maybe unload a good chunk of your money on a

778
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: reliever and then just pray that you can find a

779
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: diamond in the rough for the pitching staff.

780
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: I think we're aligned there. I already, as we talked

781
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: about I think on the previous show, I already kind

782
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: of leaned towards Starter in general as the place I'd

783
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: like to have them spend their remaining funds, if they

784
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: are remaining funds. But yeah, Ryan Fannick for a few

785
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: million bucks would be totally fine. It would help the

786
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: bullpen good depth. A guy that's like trustworthy enough, like

787
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: not gonna not safe. I never use the word safe

788
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: on believers basically because no one is, but that'd be

789
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: fine with me. He's a solid guy. The perfect example.

790
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Remember Nick Anderson a couple of seasons ago, signed for nothing.

791
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 2: Dude was awesome. He was like the bravest eighth inning

792
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: guy for the entire first half of the season, and

793
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: then he was and then yeah, and then he got

794
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: blown out. He had a shoulder issue and you never

795
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: heard Nick Anderson's name again. So that's kind of Bullpen's

796
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: one on one. Guys are good, then they're not. Guys

797
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: get hurt, Guys come out of nowhere to be awesome.

798
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: But you know, one quick node here that we wanted

799
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: to talk about the money. So the other day there

800
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: was a report that Mark Bowman believed the Braves had

801
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: about thirty three million dollars to spend minus twelve million

802
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: from what Profar is making this season, so roughly twenty

803
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: one million dollars, give or take. And we also know

804
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: that presumably Alex wants to hold on to some cash

805
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: to be able to make mid season moves.

806
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: He always does.

807
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: Now you can also make an argument though, that if

808
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: say that Alex has thirty million dollars in total, maybe

809
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: ideally he would have ten million of that mid season.

810
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: But if you're able to make a move or two

811
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: this offseason using some of that money, call it twenty

812
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: five million instead of twenty and then you're less likely

813
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: to have to go out at the trade deadline and

814
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: have to overpay for somebody. That's obviously something that one

815
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: we don't know for certain, but two conventional wisdom would

816
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: say to try to take care of your team today

817
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: and then adjusted the deadline, rather than being non active

818
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 2: and hoping that everything works and then knowing you can

819
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: have a little more money mid season, I think I'd

820
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: rather throw the money at a free agent or a

821
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: trade target. Today and have them for all year instead

822
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: of just two months.

823
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: I didn't agree with you. Also, I think Bubman would

824
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: acknowledge this, Like he never said that they were going

825
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: to spend thirty three million dollars. He heard that that

826
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: was the number that Alex might be allowed to spend

827
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: up to. You know, it's not as clean as people

828
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: might think that it is, where like he's going to

829
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: spend up to the number exactly like that. No, it's

830
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: not always like that too. So got to be available.

831
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: Something has to be available to get the money to

832
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: It could be a trade too, something that people always

833
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: forget about Alex, like he tends to like trades, Like

834
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: we talked about sale or that you brought up he

835
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: brought you know, there's been Iglasius was a trade that

836
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: was a big contract that they added, but it was

837
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: a trade. So it could just be a guy they

838
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: trade for or whatever. They are doing their darnedness to

839
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: spend it as if they were comfortable with Ian Anderson

840
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: and Grant Holmes and all, and maybe they are. Maybe

841
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: that's not spend but I think they're just doing what they'

842
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: supped to do this time of year and saying we're

843
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: okay here, but yeah, I think we agree. I think

844
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: you and I especially agree on starter being I would

845
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: like to see him side of the starter still or

846
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: trade for a starter or at a starter of some

847
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: kind that it's better than what they have now. And

848
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: that's not a shot anybody else that they have with

849
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: their rotation. We've done a bit of a million times,

850
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: but you need more than five six guys, you just do,

851
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: so I'm in on that. Speaking of, before we get

852
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: out of here, interesting report, the Braves apparently attended a

853
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: workout for future Hall of Fame right hander Max Scherzer.

854
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: Max Scherzer is forty well forty right now. He'll be

855
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: forty one in July. Still unsigned clearly does not have

856
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: a huge market, or he wouldn't be doing a workout

857
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: in January. Keep that in mind. He obviously like guys

858
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: like so, I would say his contemporaries Justin Erlander and

859
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: our guy Charlie Morton have already signed. So I think

860
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: pretty clearly those guys had more markets than Schuser did

861
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: if you read between the lines, is that reasonable to say?

862
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: I think it probably?

863
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair.

864
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: The Braves like an old guy be one. It'd be

865
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: a one year deal, like, for instance, we didn't mention

866
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: this guys in the relief section, but like old pal

867
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: Kenley Jansen still available, He's like gonna be forty soon.

868
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: Curous out connection drugson profar just saying David Robertson an

869
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: old guy anyway. Max Schurz is an old guy, but

870
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: in a different way than what we talked about last

871
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: year with Chris Sale, where you and I were all

872
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: winter long saying guys, look, Chris Sale has never not

873
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: been good. He's always been good. It's just if he's

874
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: been healthy. I'm not saying Max is gonna be Chris

875
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: Sale because Max schurs Are is older than Chris Sale was.

876
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: It's probably not gonna happen like that. But Max Scherzer

877
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: has always been good Scott even last year he made

878
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: nine starts because he couldn't stand on the mound because

879
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: he's forty years old. But when he pitched, he was good.

880
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: So I am not like over the moon about signing

881
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: Max Scherzer or even considering signing Max Scherzer, but for

882
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: the right price, if it's Max Schuerzer or nobody, I

883
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: would certainly be interested in Mac Sureser like I wouldn't

884
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: give him fifteen million dollars. I wouldn't. I wouldn't pay

885
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: him the try. I wouldn't pay him the trolley Morton price.

886
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: Just just I'm just trying to make an example. They won't

887
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: do that. They won't do that either. But if it's

888
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: a reasonable cost, and you can admit what that actual

889
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: number is. But he's available in January, it would almost

890
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: certainly be a one year deal, which is no risk whatsoever,

891
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: really just money. So I'm intrigued. I'm not like dancing

892
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: in the streets of the idea of signing Matureser. But

893
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't mind it for another arm. What'sdom upside?

894
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: I like it more than you do. I know, I

895
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: like it more than you, which is fine. Yeah, and

896
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: again I'm not excited about it either. I'm saying, if

897
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: they signed my sures. Okay, here it is guy, Here,

898
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: here's the prompt. We'll just cut right to the chase.

899
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: We wake up tomorrow morning. It's Monday morning, January twenty seventh,

900
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: and you wake up in Arizona to the news that

901
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: the Braves have signed Max Scherzer for one year and

902
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: six million dollars. What is your reaction, M six million.

903
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: M okay, So I have an answer to that, but

904
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna.

905
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: Sidetrack go ahead. That's fine.

906
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: I am okay with signing Max Scherzer in a MOB.

907
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to sign Max Scherzer tomorrow. I don't

908
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: want to sign Max Suser this week. I think there

909
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: are still far better options in free agency and in trade.

910
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: We agree. We agree on that, to be very clear.

911
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: We agree on that there are better options than absolutely.

912
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: So, you know, Jack Flaherty is like the only real

913
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: we'll call it needle moving starting pitcher. I don't think

914
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: the Braves are signing Jack Flaherty. No, maybe if he

915
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: wants to take a one year deal then sure. But yeah,

916
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: then it's Nick Pavetta who has a qualifying offer, which

917
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: because I like Nick, like Nick Pavetta as a fourth

918
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: or fifth starter, sign me up. But giving up multiple

919
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: picks and international free agent money, that's that's a tough

920
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: pill to swallow. Andrew Heeney is pretty interesting. He's like

921
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: a durable lefty make twenty eight starts. Not a World

922
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: Series Game one starter by any means, but he's been

923
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: quite good.

924
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: He's the guy, He's the guy I want to. Of

925
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: the free agents, he's been the guy that I've been

926
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: looking at kind of the whole time as like my

927
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: like other than Evaldi when he went off the board.

928
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: We talked about him a lot at the beginning of

929
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: the process, but since then it's been he's been the

930
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: kind of like subtle circle for me of like, if

931
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna sign a free agent, not trade sign, he

932
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: would be the one I would probably circle. And then

933
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: of course they're sure. There's sort of Montgomery too, who's

934
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: not a free agent, but that's been out there. It's

935
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: not there a lot.

936
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: There's Dylan sees rumors all over the place. Yeah, he's

937
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: a one year guy. You mentioned Jordan Montgomery. I still

938
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: feel it in my bones. I think Steven does too.

939
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: It's just right there in front of us. It's like

940
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: it makes it makes so much sense to everybody involved.

941
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: Arizona doesn't want him anymore. He doesn't want to be

942
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: there because they like dadmouth him on the way out

943
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: the door. The owner was like crapping on him this winter,

944
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: which is crazy, and he presumable they pay him of

945
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: a salary to get him off the roster. Right, It's

946
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: just kind of right there for you. It's a short deal,

947
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll see.

948
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, yes, we all hope the Braves

949
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: at a starting pitcher. I would sincerely hope that they

950
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: are aiming higher than Max Scherzer. He might still have

951
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: a little something in the tank. He was constantly injured

952
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: last year, but you said he was still decently enough,

953
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: decently effective whenever he was on the map last season.

954
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, like if Andrew Heeney's price is two years

955
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: and thirty million bucks, so fifteen million a year, I

956
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: would do that, you know, as a kind of a

957
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: back end of the rotation, fifth starter to help bridge

958
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: the gap and maybe you get a little better and

959
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: he pitches more to like the third or fourth starter level. Sure,

960
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: but yeah, Sureser, unless it's like in a month and

961
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: the Braves are zero for ten on better starting pitchers.

962
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I could be wrong, but

963
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: it's been a weird market. But I don't think Surezer

964
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: has eight offers waiting for him right now.

965
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: He obviously doesn't, or he wouldn't. Again, not to bake

966
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: this into the grad too, he wouldn't be doing a

967
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: workout like this in late January if he had a

968
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: big market, like guys don't do that. I'm sure he

969
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: has an offer from somebody somewhere for whatever money it

970
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: would be. You know, I'm sure Alex is like Max,

971
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: if you want to sign for four million right now,

972
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: we'll give it to you. Like one of those kind

973
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: of thing. You know. I'm not saying, I'm not reporting that,

974
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: but it's just like one of those things like maybe

975
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: it's like wait for the price to go down or whatever. Also,

976
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: if you're a Max Schurezer, this is a sidebar, but

977
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: you're probably wanna sign with a contender, Like you're forty

978
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: forty one years old. Yeah, you're not signing with Pittsburgh.

979
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's probably one of like six teams

980
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: that you might consider signing with. The Doctars don't need you,

981
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: so probably cross them off realistically. So like, yeah, for

982
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: as much as Braves fans are but frustrated this whole winter,

983
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: the Braves are still on the top five teams and

984
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: every projection that you will see about World Series potential

985
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: this year. So if you're and you want to have

986
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: one last ride with a contender that actually can use you,

987
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: because the Braves do need more arms, Like it's not

988
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: a bad place to lay your head. But yeah, I

989
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: think we are in agreement. That wouldn't be exciting. And

990
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: I think he might be the epitome of a guy

991
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: that even honestly, maybe you don't sign until like March

992
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: or April, like he might be one of those guys.

993
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what, guys, I'm gonna show him

994
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: the sidelines, So Roger Clemens style, and I'm gonna sign

995
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: in late May because I'm forty, because I'm forty forty

996
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: one years old, and I'm Max Surezer. I'm going to

997
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He's to sign somewhere like Ki

998
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: can sign whereview once.

999
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: Or wait weeks? Yeah, wait, a couple of weeks into

1000
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: spring training and a team will have lost one starting

1001
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: pitcher already and another one just came into the training

1002
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: room with the sore elbow, and suddenly Team X y

1003
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: Z and dear god, let's hope it's not the Braves

1004
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: after what we went through last year. But suddenly that

1005
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: team is in need of pitching help. So we will

1006
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: keep an eye on the shures er uh market. If

1007
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: you will go as you said a moment ago, going

1008
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: to a tryout is.

1009
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Hardly and they attended to work out. It's not even

1010
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: like with the with right stand there is reported interest

1011
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: from a real person and Mark Bowman, well, sure is

1012
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: there's not even that. All all we know is that

1013
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: the Braves went to his workout, which they should just do.

1014
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: If you're if you're the Braves, you should go to

1015
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: that workout. He see isn't something you like. Sure, but

1016
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: there is no doubside at all, just wasting a couple

1017
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: of scouts day. Yeah, you do that. But just to

1018
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: be very clear, there is not even reported interest. It's

1019
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: just that the Braves went and saw him, and he

1020
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: does make some logical sense at a certain price point.

1021
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: But we'll stop on that.

1022
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: And one other picture. This will be very quick, but

1023
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: one other picture who you might have heard about. Brad

1024
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: hosted a workout as well late last week. Tyler Matzik

1025
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: trying to baby come on back, Yeah, come on back

1026
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: from basically what three lost years. It was reported by

1027
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: somebody that the Braves and maybe a dozen others were

1028
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 2: at Mattsick's workout a couple of days ago. Similarly, I mean,

1029
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: we all loved I don't know if there's anything left there,

1030
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: but if he's up for a minor league deal or

1031
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 2: a spring training invite, then absolutely bring him back.

1032
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: Yep.

1033
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: If if the old flame is there, then amazing. And

1034
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: if he just doesn't have a thing, you shake hands

1035
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: and say thank you again for everything. You know, go

1036
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: go try to catch on with a bad team who

1037
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: probably can use you more than we can.

1038
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's that relationship that will never go away.

1039
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not going to sign them for no reason,

1040
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: like you know, if they don't see anything there that

1041
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: they won't do it. But you know, when you had

1042
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: that history together, Look, he was he was quite bad

1043
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: last year with the Braves, let's just be honest about that,

1044
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: and then was hurt in twenty three. But uh, you

1045
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: know he's also had that the winding road of the

1046
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: careerbity side. So it's it's been highs, it's been really

1047
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: low lows out of the league, all that stuff.

1048
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, I.

1049
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: Would expect the same thing. It's a different situation, of course,

1050
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: but the Braves would always go to a Tyler Matzic workout,

1051
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, just to see and if there's anything there,

1052
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, minor league deer or whatever, you know, maybe

1053
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be on the ten Giles plan this year

1054
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: for the Braves, and they're just like, hey, come pitch

1055
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: for a while, and Gwinette, if we're seeing him in there,

1056
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: you'll have a chance with us. If not, like you said,

1057
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: shake Hanson goes upper ways.

1058
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, so hopefully it went well for Tyler. I didn't

1059
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: see anything, and obviously it's been a few days, so

1060
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: it's not like he immediately signed with some team that

1061
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: made him an offer he couldn't refuse. But yeah, keep

1062
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: an eye on Tyler Matzik. If at some point in

1063
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks we get a notification that

1064
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 2: the Braves have signed him to some kind of non

1065
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: guaranteed deal, that would make total sense.

1066
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not basically at that point, all right, Scott,

1067
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Speaker 1: we've done almost an hour because it's you an hour

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Speaker 1: back in the saddle here late in January, and because

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Speaker 1: we wanted to watch Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen play.

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Speaker 1: It's it's late on the East coast, so we're recording this.

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Speaker 1: That was a football football game, by the way, as

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Speaker 1: we're recording this, that was a fun what's you're a

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Speaker 1: Bill's fan? That was a lot of fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: I wanted the Bills to win personally, but it is

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Speaker 1: what it is. Anything else going on your life, Scott

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Speaker 1: or if not, please share folks that might have just

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Speaker 1: found the podcast where they can find you elsewhere beyond

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: That's right, A big thank you to everybody who checked

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Speaker 2: out the show. Hopefully we have some new listeners as

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Speaker 2: well from the jerks and profar Deal, so welcome aboard.

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Speaker 2: As Brad said almost an hour ago, off the very top,

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Speaker 2: we are a three sixty five podcast. No matter when

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Speaker 2: the Braves make their next move, we will be here,

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Speaker 2: hopefully a starter, hopefully reliever, and we will see what

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Speaker 2: the future holds. But I am at Scott Coleman fifty

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Speaker 2: five on socials if you want to follow there, and

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Speaker 2: we will have plenty of more shows coming up in

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Speaker 2: the week ahead.

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Speaker 1: We will, indeed I am at BT Rowland across the

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Speaker 1: board on social media and then also we can find

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Speaker 1: the show at Hammer Territory on Twitter, on Facebook, Instagram, threads,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Also, please please please subscribe to the podcast

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Speaker 1: anywhere you find your podcast. We're on Apple, We're on Spotify,

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Speaker 1: Amazon Music, all this places. Plus we're on YouTube, so

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Speaker 1: if you want to watch us, follow us there. And

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Speaker 1: do us a favor. If you are a YouTube watcher, first,

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Speaker 1: thank you again for watching us. If you want to

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Speaker 1: help the podcast as well, please subscribe on audio tuo

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Speaker 1: do double duty for us. Just support the podcast that way,

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Speaker 1: just one click away on Apple, Spotify, etc. But we

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Speaker 1: definitely appreciate it. Raisor reviews, all that fun stuff. Check

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Speaker 1: out the entire Faul Territory Network podcasts as well. All right,

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Speaker 1: for Scott, my name is Brad Rowland and we'll sign

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Speaker 1: off right now. Thanks posting everybody, and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: all next time.