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Speaker 1: Wood Jr. Today we're gonna be talking about the pink
Speaker 1: tax and the outside costs of just being a woman.
Speaker 1: Let's play the clipp being a woman can cost you,
Speaker 1: apparently in average of four hundred dollars a year thanks
Speaker 1: to gender price discrimination. If you're a woman, just about
Speaker 1: everything costs you more than similar products marketing for men.
Speaker 1: It's called the pay tax. Research has shown women pay
Speaker 1: more than men forty two percent of the time in fact,
Speaker 1: a recent study shows that starts from the time you
Speaker 1: were born until the day you die. Today, I'm joined
Speaker 1: by Daily Show correspondent Daisi Lighting and segment director Stacy Angels,
Speaker 1: who both created this segment for the show. Ladies. Hello,
Speaker 1: Hi Roy, Hello Roy joining us. Also, we are very
Speaker 1: lucky to have Congresswoman Jackie Spear, who was in the
Speaker 1: original piece with Daisy, and this congresswoman has been fighting
Speaker 1: gender discrimination for twenty thirty years. Congresswoman speA, welcome to
Speaker 1: beyond the scenes. It is my pleasure. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. Well, thank you for letting me be a
Speaker 1: man than this woman. Too bad. We don't rule the
Speaker 1: world though, just because we're ruling this particular podcast. That's
Speaker 1: the problem. We're not ruling the world yet. I would
Speaker 1: be honest. I felt uncomfortable hosting this episode. I was
Speaker 1: like day meet the guest host. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get in trouble. You're doing great, Roy, Okay, Before we
Speaker 1: do anything, we have to define what the issue is.
Speaker 1: So Daisy Stacy, let's start off off the top. What
Speaker 1: is the pink tax? Well, the pink tax refers to
Speaker 1: the markup on goods and services that are specifically being
Speaker 1: targeted to women and gender price discrimination. So, Roy, you
Speaker 1: everything you buy is cheaper than the same products we
Speaker 1: want to buy. Okay. So if we both bought deodorant
Speaker 1: and your and mine is Man deodorant and yours is
Speaker 1: woman deodorant, same brand, you're paying more than me, is
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Stacy. It's more expensive for us to
Speaker 1: smell good than for you, which is why Stacy and
Speaker 1: I refuse to smell good. Yeah, you're lucky this is
Speaker 1: on zoom, Roy, because you don't want to smell this. Okay,
Speaker 1: even let us back in the studio. Yes, okay, nothing
Speaker 1: to do with COVID. So Congresswoman, Congresswoman, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: apologize for both of them. Um, why why does the
Speaker 1: pink tax exists? And more importantly, how do manufacturers and
Speaker 1: retailers justify this tax? Well, the pink tax exists because
Speaker 1: it's a form of gender discrimination. It's not just about pink.
Speaker 1: It's about the fact that women's products cost more than
Speaker 1: men's products, um, when they are basically identical. Um. It
Speaker 1: is important for us to address this because, as we
Speaker 1: all know, women still make less than men. Uh. For
Speaker 1: every dollar mannerns a woman makes a d two cents.
Speaker 1: If you look at women of color, it's even more egregious.
Speaker 1: And that's real money when everything is said and done.
Speaker 1: Are there other examples of this other than deodorant? Kids?
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, as a man, this isn't something
Speaker 1: that you would normally think about because you're not buying
Speaker 1: a lot of women's items unless you're committed, strong man
Speaker 1: in a relationship like I am. So you're not aware
Speaker 1: of this. Give me what what other items other than deodorant?
Speaker 1: I have heard that women get worse deals on cars,
Speaker 1: But let me give you some products that kind of
Speaker 1: make the case. All right, So this is Um douve
Speaker 1: deodorant for men and women. And as you can see here,
Speaker 1: for a four pack, a woman is gonna pay nineteen
Speaker 1: dollars and thirty nine cents. The man is gonna pay
Speaker 1: thirteen dollars and fifty eight cents. That's just deodor Let's
Speaker 1: move on. How about probiotics for women? UM seventy nine,
Speaker 1: seventy nine for a man? All right? This is like
Speaker 1: the price is right? Let me guess there is the
Speaker 1: price is wrong though that's the problem, always wrong. So
Speaker 1: the price is right needs to have a gender separate episode.
Speaker 1: Maybe so huh. So look at this. These are bibbs, right,
Speaker 1: bibbs for boys, bibbs for girls, A dollar more for
Speaker 1: the girls bibbs. Now wait there's more, what there's more?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? These are kids diapers. The kids diapers
Speaker 1: thirty seven dollars for the girl, three dollars for the boy.
Speaker 1: But I'll show you the same discrimination stupers and boys
Speaker 1: have more happening to fill out diaper space. So really
Speaker 1: square footage, it should cost more for the men, right,
Speaker 1: probably because they need more absorbents, They need more absorbent material,
Speaker 1: so it's just right right. Yeah. Now, we did this
Speaker 1: same study two or three years ago, um, and they
Speaker 1: were egregious around children's toys. So I had my interns
Speaker 1: do this just this week and this is what they
Speaker 1: found online at retailers throughout the country. So this is
Speaker 1: up to date, current. So what are we gonna do
Speaker 1: about it? How does price discrimination add another layer to
Speaker 1: the wage inequality that women also deal with? Well, it's
Speaker 1: yet another blow. Um. When I did the service review
Speaker 1: in ten six, we've found out through the Assembly Office
Speaker 1: of Research in California that women were paying fourteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars in a gender tax every year more than men.
Speaker 1: So imagine, on top of the fact that we're in
Speaker 1: a seat she session, not a recession. More women are
Speaker 1: out of work than men. And there's one point three
Speaker 1: million women who have left the workforce since COVID hit
Speaker 1: and have not returned, in part because of the lack
Speaker 1: of childcare. This number is the highest number of women
Speaker 1: not employed since So you couple that with women out
Speaker 1: of work, um, women getting paid less than men, and
Speaker 1: on top of that, products are and services are costing
Speaker 1: them more. There ought to be a law, and that's
Speaker 1: why I've introduced the Pink Tax Repeal Act and we
Speaker 1: have fifty one co sponsors on it. Now, this issue,
Speaker 1: this pink tax issue, when we talk about the say
Speaker 1: the word again, a she session, a she session, It
Speaker 1: does this she session strike women equally or even within
Speaker 1: that is their additional inequities based on race, Oh, no question. Um,
Speaker 1: it's more egregious for women of color UM, African American women,
Speaker 1: Latino women, UM. And the amount of loss and income
Speaker 1: UH is the greatest for Latino women. So your Pink
Speaker 1: Tax Repeal at it's bipartisan and basically we're trying to
Speaker 1: get all of these manufacturers and retailers on the same
Speaker 1: plane to basically say, if it's something as simple as
Speaker 1: deodorant and it both you keep both of y'all from
Speaker 1: being musty, it should be the same price. That's right,
Speaker 1: unless you can. I'm sure it's not worded like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you worded it more professionally. You probably said
Speaker 1: FTC and Attorney General. You use a lot of the
Speaker 1: proper words, that's right. We did use more proper words
Speaker 1: to basically say, if you don't play by these rules,
Speaker 1: you're going to be sued. And so then the bill
Speaker 1: has forty co sponsors right now. Has there been any
Speaker 1: pushback that you've seen so far on your proposal? The
Speaker 1: numbers have grown, it's now at fifty one, and I've
Speaker 1: talked to the chairwoman of the subcommittee. She loves the bill,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a hearing on it and hopefully
Speaker 1: get it to the House floor within the next few months.
Speaker 1: And we can credit you with helping me get it
Speaker 1: over the top. Dasy, no credit here, No credit here?
Speaker 1: What role can consumers play in provoking change? And by consumers,
Speaker 1: I mean men, you know we're the problem. You are
Speaker 1: the problem, Well, the problem is that it's not illegal
Speaker 1: in most states to charge more for services based on
Speaker 1: gender or charge more for products. You should not be
Speaker 1: discriminating on goods and services based on gender. It should
Speaker 1: be based on the time it takes to do a
Speaker 1: service and what's in the product. Women pay about more
Speaker 1: to get their hair cut than men do, and they
Speaker 1: pay about six more at the dry cleaners for the
Speaker 1: same service for the same item, and then for car
Speaker 1: repairs they pay about thirty more. Now in California, back
Speaker 1: in the nineties, I had legislation pass that was signed
Speaker 1: into law that said for services you had to base
Speaker 1: it not on gender, but on the amount of time
Speaker 1: it takes to provide that service. For instance, I time
Speaker 1: the last time I got my hair cut, it took
Speaker 1: ten minutes, and I watched a man getting his haircut
Speaker 1: and it took longer. So if we do base it
Speaker 1: on time, then I think you're to see the tables
Speaker 1: turned a little bit and then there'll be an outcry
Speaker 1: from you guys because you're gonna be paying more for
Speaker 1: your two dollar dry cleaning shirt. Wouldn't would you say
Speaker 1: that you all were first aware of a pink tax
Speaker 1: existing because you know, you gotta figure you have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a blind spot to certain inequities, and
Speaker 1: then one day you just go, wait a minute, When
Speaker 1: was When was your wait a minute moment? Congress warm
Speaker 1: When I started with you, it was when I took
Speaker 1: my husband's Oxford shirt shirts to the dry cleaner and
Speaker 1: they were, you know, a dollar fifty a shirt, and
Speaker 1: my Oxford shirt costs you know, three fifty four dollars.
Speaker 1: That's when I thought, wait a minute, something's wrong here.
Speaker 1: I can remember when I first started shaving my legs
Speaker 1: around six seven years old. It was a very hairy child.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I was thirteen, twelve, thirteen, somewhere around there,
Speaker 1: and my mom bought me a razor and some shaving cream,
Speaker 1: and I remember the Gillette razor being considerably more expensive
Speaker 1: than what men use, and my mom refusing to buy
Speaker 1: me that razor and also bought me a can of Barbesal,
Speaker 1: like the old school men's shaving cream. And so when
Speaker 1: I shaved my legs, I use like I just used
Speaker 1: this stuff for ment. And I still, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: I still have an affinity for the smell of barbital.
Speaker 1: That's why I just never shaved my legs. Mine was.
Speaker 1: I went through a terrible phase where I had um
Speaker 1: what called pixie haircut to be nice about it, and
Speaker 1: I went to a hair salon and the girl's haircuts
Speaker 1: were like about twenty thirty dollars more, and I was like, why,
Speaker 1: I'm literally getting the same haircut as that guy in
Speaker 1: the chair And I just at the time thought that
Speaker 1: they were just a really like sexist hair place. And
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, women, you know you guys have
Speaker 1: more layers. I'm like, it's the exact same haircut. And
Speaker 1: then it wasn't until I went to your office and
Speaker 1: I was ashamed. I was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is a thing, like another thing to add on top
Speaker 1: of everything else. So you opened my eyes, Congresswoman good.
Speaker 1: We want to open the eyes of both men and
Speaker 1: women in this country to recognize that this is another
Speaker 1: form of discrimination that we've got to stamp out. Well, Congresswoman,
Speaker 1: I know we don't have a lot of time with you,
Speaker 1: and I want you to be able to get back
Speaker 1: into those halls of justice and fight with all of
Speaker 1: those idiots that you see on the floor every day.
Speaker 1: I know that you know after about four decades in
Speaker 1: public service in the form of politics. You've made the
Speaker 1: decision to retire, so you know in your own words,
Speaker 1: you know, just tell us what's next for you? What
Speaker 1: what does retirement because I'm always I feel like people
Speaker 1: who are four people and who fight for the people.
Speaker 1: You don't turn that off, that's right. Like I have
Speaker 1: buddies that of retired firefighters and now they train firefight,
Speaker 1: like there's still something else that they do that's adjacent
Speaker 1: to helping people. So what does retirement look like for you?
Speaker 1: Have you decided what that what the next four decades
Speaker 1: it's going to be. Well, I don't know exactly, but
Speaker 1: all I'm doing is going home because I made a
Speaker 1: commitment to my has been that I would spend more
Speaker 1: time at home. So, UM, I'm going to continue to
Speaker 1: be engaged, use my voice. UM. I want to start
Speaker 1: a nonprofit foundation for the region in which I live,
Speaker 1: and I want to continue to give back, so I
Speaker 1: will continue to do that. Well, Congress from and Spear,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for going beyond the scenes with us,
Speaker 1: And I'll be sending you an email. I have some
Speaker 1: discount deodorant that I will be more than happy to
Speaker 1: sell you. Dare you. I'll send you some of that
Speaker 1: pink stuff that I have. Okay, fair enough, great to
Speaker 1: be with, thank you. So after the break, Daisy and
Speaker 1: Stacy and I would like to talk more about how
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Speaker 1: how this piece came to be? Because the congresswoman is
Speaker 1: presenting a whole bunch of different stuff and y'all only
Speaker 1: have four minutes maybe five and a half this issue.
Speaker 1: How can you break down centuries of inequality against the
Speaker 1: woman in five minutes? Get ready to feel bad about yourself? Roy,
Speaker 1: get ready how this piece come to be? Just want
Speaker 1: me through the germination of it in the building. Well,
Speaker 1: Stacy and I were make being a special for Comedy
Speaker 1: Central called Dasiltic Abroad. You can find it on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 1: Stream it now anytime you feel like getting out of
Speaker 1: your living room traveling the world. I think it plays
Speaker 1: better now than it did, and things are still just
Speaker 1: as bad as they were when we filmed it, so
Speaker 1: it's still totally relevant. Yeah. Anyway, and Congresswoman Spear was
Speaker 1: kind enough to talk to us for for the special,
Speaker 1: and I think we only had like you said, we
Speaker 1: only had a few minutes of time with her, not
Speaker 1: only to shoot but in the actual piece itself, and
Speaker 1: and she was able to beautifully shed a light on
Speaker 1: all of the discrimination that women face when it comes
Speaker 1: to wage inequality and health care. But one thing that
Speaker 1: came up when we sat down and spoke with her
Speaker 1: is the pink tax. And we definitely talked about it
Speaker 1: a little bit in that interview, but there just wasn't
Speaker 1: enough time. So Stacy and I felt like we really
Speaker 1: wanted to do a bigger piece on it. So she
Speaker 1: was kind enough with her time to give us a
Speaker 1: whole other interview, So we went back to d C
Speaker 1: and did an entire piece on the pink tax. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean in her office had all those products, so
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that it existed, And I just
Speaker 1: remember like that kind of overshadowed what we were there
Speaker 1: to talk about not really, but it was just like
Speaker 1: we just didn't know, and we're both very outraged about it,
Speaker 1: and we just exchanged a glance for like, we're going
Speaker 1: to do a segment on this something on this Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to flip the table. Well I did. I did
Speaker 1: split the table. I pulled my back and it hasn't
Speaker 1: been the same since. But I destroyed some furniture. She
Speaker 1: couldn't use the ointment on her back because it costs
Speaker 1: more for a woman than it did a man, So
Speaker 1: she's exactly. No. It was one of those things where like,
Speaker 1: as a woman, you noticed small things that come up, like, oh,
Speaker 1: why is that so much more expensive than this one?
Speaker 1: Oh well, I guess I'll just buy the men's version.
Speaker 1: Or why am I paying three dollars more from my
Speaker 1: husband's shirts at the dry cleaners than my own? Oh well,
Speaker 1: I guess I just will We caught dry cleaning now,
Speaker 1: little things like that, you you clock, but we didn't
Speaker 1: realize how huge the issue was until she really pointed
Speaker 1: it out. Stacy in the building. For the listeners who
Speaker 1: don't know this, you are like, there's two types of
Speaker 1: segment directors. They're the people who go okay, what's the
Speaker 1: story and how do we make this funny? And then
Speaker 1: there are the people that are more lighthearted and go,
Speaker 1: I'm funny. How do I keep this funny? There's too
Speaker 1: much sad ship in my funny. Oh no, I've got
Speaker 1: to add more sad ship to Where is this going? Why?
Speaker 1: I get all of a sudden, No, this isn't a
Speaker 1: bad thing because it's it's the balance and it's just
Speaker 1: it's cereal. It's it's cereal and milk. Some people put
Speaker 1: milk in the bowl first, then the cereal. Some people
Speaker 1: put you get what I'm saying That images savages cereal.
Speaker 1: There's people out there who do it. Now, there's only
Speaker 1: one way to do it. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's still a bowl of serial is my point into me.
Speaker 1: You have a different approach from a lot of the
Speaker 1: other segment directors. So how do you navigate the seriousness
Speaker 1: of a topic with humor? Like, how are you able
Speaker 1: to balance that? Well? I hope I balance it, but
Speaker 1: with um for this particular segment. I think one of
Speaker 1: the good things about working with DESI is we both
Speaker 1: have an absurd sense of humor. I think we bonded
Speaker 1: over our love for like naked gun and airplane, and
Speaker 1: we've pitched a lot of ideas. I'd always get shut down.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the vehicles I'd like to
Speaker 1: use to tell a serious story is like kind of
Speaker 1: showing it in an absurd way to get the point across.
Speaker 1: It's not just like statistics and facts and whatever. So
Speaker 1: we're like, let's show away that there's this gender price
Speaker 1: discrimination by maybe going to a store and kind of
Speaker 1: wait in a in a store. Was the store open
Speaker 1: or didn't we rent out the store and we just
Speaker 1: shot in a store. We can't afford that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would get crafty. We have to like, you know,
Speaker 1: sneak and corn nuts in the stock room. Now it
Speaker 1: was fully open. We were dodging customers. I mean it
Speaker 1: was funny. Me and the d went down one aisle
Speaker 1: because we were scouting the aisle. We're like, oh, let's
Speaker 1: do this here, and then there was like a lady
Speaker 1: chopping like can pies and she was just taking her time.
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, fine, we'll go to another aisle, and
Speaker 1: we just had to keep working around the customers. And
Speaker 1: how we do it, it's how we do it at
Speaker 1: the daily. Don't like you've never shaved your legs in
Speaker 1: the middle of a grocery store before, of course, of course,
Speaker 1: yeah and so yeah, and it was just fun. And
Speaker 1: you know, Dassi and I work, Um, I mean, her
Speaker 1: ideas are just as a sort as mine. We just
Speaker 1: piggyback off and like take it to this extreme place
Speaker 1: where hopefully it goes and you know, we just do
Speaker 1: it till they shut us down. And we thought, let's
Speaker 1: just do it in a way where we go to
Speaker 1: the grocery store and as he investigates it, I don't
Speaker 1: really know what they're justification and of you like sneaking around,
Speaker 1: it was, oh, because you weren't paying for it. You
Speaker 1: weren't going to pay for it, so right, I had
Speaker 1: to go very incognito almost uh yeah, real real investigative work. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that makes us laugh so hard,
Speaker 1: is like us taking our jobs way too seriously. So
Speaker 1: anytime we have an opportunity for me to just take
Speaker 1: my job too seriously and not do it that well,
Speaker 1: we could get a thousand percent. But Stacy is one
Speaker 1: of my absolute all time favorite directors to work with.
Speaker 1: She know you really like you. She's so good at
Speaker 1: not only being a collaborator. But what you said, like,
Speaker 1: Stacy is excellent at knowing how to tell a story clearly,
Speaker 1: including all the facts, making sure that there's an arc
Speaker 1: to it, making sure that we're we're telling the full picture,
Speaker 1: but also making it really funny. And then she also
Speaker 1: has a really unique visual comedy brain, so she tries
Speaker 1: to direct the p is in a way where she's
Speaker 1: she gets creative and finds new ways to tell the
Speaker 1: story that didn't exist to begin. Oh my god, you guys, stop,
Speaker 1: It's true, like your mind works in a different way
Speaker 1: to get to the same bowl of cereal. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a game show in the middle of like yeah,
Speaker 1: where no one wins, men win as displayed and some
Speaker 1: of these products we have with us today and again
Speaker 1: we all, I mean does he and I just again,
Speaker 1: like without trying to be preachy, we just try to
Speaker 1: put it in a fun package that can like kind
Speaker 1: of speed it up because also we have to, like
Speaker 1: we have that time challenge where we have to make
Speaker 1: it as interesting as possible and give as much information
Speaker 1: as possible in like a short window of time. So
Speaker 1: we're like, why don't we do a because you kind
Speaker 1: of automatically go to the prices right, you know, mindset
Speaker 1: when you're doing this, and so um, I think it
Speaker 1: was a collaboration between both of us because Jackie, Congresswoman
Speaker 1: Jackie Spear wanted to show off all the products dollars
Speaker 1: to oh great, So while your little girls learning how
Speaker 1: to walk, she'll also learn how to navigate the system
Speaker 1: that's exploiting her. Sorry, these are two children's snarkles eight
Speaker 1: four sixteen twenty two for the pink, So women literally
Speaker 1: have to pay more to breathe. Sorry if I just
Speaker 1: love dosise graphic case going sorry in between all the products.
Speaker 1: This is where you're so good though, because like anything
Speaker 1: where it's like data heavy or number heavy or too
Speaker 1: much information, Stacy always comes up with a way to
Speaker 1: get it out quickly and efficiently in a really fun
Speaker 1: visual way. Thank you, thank you very much for saying that.
Speaker 1: Is there anything Daisy that got cut that you wish
Speaker 1: had made it? There's always one joke for correspondence, there's
Speaker 1: always one joke. We go, come on, man, you cut
Speaker 1: that time? There were so there were too one of it.
Speaker 1: This was a brilliant visual gag that Stacy came up
Speaker 1: with where in the grocery store. I was like army,
Speaker 1: crawling on my elbow on the floor, like chin almost
Speaker 1: to the grocery store floor. This was clearly before COVID
Speaker 1: and it was so dumb, but we we did so
Speaker 1: much foot of footage of that, and just because of
Speaker 1: the fact that we spent I spent so much time
Speaker 1: on that floor, I thought, well, this should make it
Speaker 1: in the piece. It was the camera wasn't yeah what
Speaker 1: it has And then the other thing. Do do you
Speaker 1: remember sitting down with Ryan, the economy professor, and for
Speaker 1: some reason we discovered this like flirtation that I had
Speaker 1: with him where I was suddenly in love with him.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the piece, we had this weird
Speaker 1: runner where I can under my breath telling him that
Speaker 1: I loved him. I'm not going to do with anything.
Speaker 1: But I think it wound up. It was like it
Speaker 1: remained in the first two or three cuts because we
Speaker 1: just found it so um and at a certain point
Speaker 1: I think people were like, that's not what this piece
Speaker 1: is about. Your love for this man is not. It's
Speaker 1: not going to make it. Daisy, I would say. Also,
Speaker 1: almost every time Daisy does her own stunt work, she
Speaker 1: puts her heart and soul into it, and it always
Speaker 1: gets She'll be like, there's a there's one thing we
Speaker 1: did where she fell into a bunch of trash bags,
Speaker 1: I think a needle poked or whatever. And then also
Speaker 1: in the grocery store, you were testing out Razor scooters
Speaker 1: and you knocked down paper tiles, which we immediately felt bad.
Speaker 1: We had a stack back up afterwards because we didn't
Speaker 1: want to like, oh no, I forgot about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of instruction. Yeah, so the pink tech
Speaker 1: starts at an early age, infancy, even you all the parents,
Speaker 1: you know, Stacy, you're a new mother, have you noticed
Speaker 1: the difference between boys and because I'm sure you've bought
Speaker 1: toys for the people's aldren and Daisy has a son,
Speaker 1: you like, have you noticed have you started noticing the
Speaker 1: pink tax and the prevalence of it even at such
Speaker 1: a young age, even with a bye Bye baby off coupon.
Speaker 1: I do get email every single day. It's al as
Speaker 1: you say that I need you need, so I know
Speaker 1: that's true. I didn't start paying attention to this stuff
Speaker 1: till we did this segment, and so now I'm like
Speaker 1: very aware of it, and I would say, for the
Speaker 1: most part, like all those toys, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's just a rip off of an industry, but it's
Speaker 1: a separate piece. The everything, for the most part seems
Speaker 1: to be equal. But there was this one kids activity, Jim,
Speaker 1: I don't even know why they called a gym, like
Speaker 1: those you know, the stupid things they lay on with
Speaker 1: all those crap painting. And there was one, yeah, and
Speaker 1: they there was one that was like a very stereotypical
Speaker 1: pink with like unicorns, that was like a couple of
Speaker 1: dollars more than the male version. It's just a couple
Speaker 1: of dollars, but still it's the principle of it. And
Speaker 1: I like the other one better, but it's I've noticed
Speaker 1: it in that and also um and another another like
Speaker 1: one of those what are those crinkly toys? A couple
Speaker 1: of those same. Yeah, I don't know those sensory things.
Speaker 1: I'm still learning. I'm still very new. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But I call the poppers the pappers.
Speaker 1: Popper is what we called the poppers. I'm going to
Speaker 1: call them that from I'm in my son's room. This
Speaker 1: the poper joint. I've seen those. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what that is. No, I was talking about the crinkly
Speaker 1: paper things for the sensory things. When they start to
Speaker 1: grab crap whatever, what is that? I don't hang on.
Speaker 1: It's a pope. I don't understand just poppers. It's just
Speaker 1: holes and you just pop a little. It's like the
Speaker 1: new slat bracelet from the eighties. I don't this poppet
Speaker 1: for a boy costs four dollars for a girl seven dollars?
Speaker 1: What I believe? It's just this basketball for a boy
Speaker 1: thirty seven sets for a girl nine dollars. I'd love
Speaker 1: doing this show in my son's room. I just like that.
Speaker 1: I just give me my toys. Roy's going around telling
Speaker 1: people that he's buying his son poppers. After the break,
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about solutions and
Speaker 1: ways that we can try and bring about change to
Speaker 1: the pink tax. I know that the congresswoman is doing
Speaker 1: her part, but we will also talk about some of
Speaker 1: the marketing and the strategy and how retailers have been
Speaker 1: able to pull this off. This is beyond the scenes.
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Speaker 1: we bring this conversation about the pink tax home. The
Speaker 1: pink tax where women need a quality on the cost
Speaker 1: of goods and services in spite of the fact that
Speaker 1: eventually men pay for the dates and y'all get in
Speaker 1: free for ladies night and I'm strangers at a bar
Speaker 1: and that saves you a lot of money, yet you steal.
Speaker 1: How hilarious would that be? If that had been my
Speaker 1: position with the congress woman, I'm like, where hell well,
Speaker 1: I would love takes her DJ headphones off slants and
Speaker 1: it's like we didn't. We didn't have enough time win her.
Speaker 1: But I seriously, with a straight face, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna ask Congress congress women, women getting in free for
Speaker 1: ladies night offset some of these things that you say
Speaker 1: are in equities. How about all the doors I've opened?
Speaker 1: Oh how fucking hilarious what that have been? But we
Speaker 1: did not have time get her back, get her back
Speaker 1: on the get her back. Let's get her back. So
Speaker 1: does he. In the piece, you talk about the term
Speaker 1: pink it and shrink it. What is this pink it
Speaker 1: and shrink it marketing strategy and why is it problematic? Well,
Speaker 1: contrary to the there's a common misconception that that is
Speaker 1: just the surgery that a woman has to rejuvenate post birth.
Speaker 1: It is not that it is actually pink it or
Speaker 1: shrink it, pick it and shrink it. Yeah, it's actually,
Speaker 1: from what I understand, a marketing term when you take
Speaker 1: an item that is made for men or a gender
Speaker 1: neutral item, and you shrink it down to the size
Speaker 1: for a woman, and you make it pink specifically to
Speaker 1: market it to women. So essentially it should cost less,
Speaker 1: but inevitably it costs more. So we literally just go, oh,
Speaker 1: it's for ladies. Look it's in a pink box and smaller,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna charge you more. Should we move more
Speaker 1: towards gender neutral products? What's the solution to this stacy?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's crazy that Congresswoman has been
Speaker 1: fighting this for decades and there's still I mean, when
Speaker 1: Dessie and I were trying to think of like a
Speaker 1: way to come up with a solution to this. We
Speaker 1: were like, people were saying, why don't you just buy
Speaker 1: the male version? And then Daisy does that beautiful long
Speaker 1: you know, zoom and shot where you're like, oh, sure,
Speaker 1: it's just another thing to add on to all the
Speaker 1: obstacles we have to do to be a woman. And
Speaker 1: for me, that speech you give is like the thesis
Speaker 1: of this whole thing. How could women afford to live
Speaker 1: in this world? And if the man's version is cheaper
Speaker 1: than just buy that one. Yeah, sure, if you think
Speaker 1: about it, it's just one extra step in a series
Speaker 1: of extra steps that women take every day to thrive
Speaker 1: in a man's world, Like how we get up a
Speaker 1: little extra early every morning to put on an outfit
Speaker 1: that looks professional yet accessible but not too accessible because
Speaker 1: we don't want to be taken advantage of. Or how
Speaker 1: we walk in a strap five blocks to work so
Speaker 1: that we can avoid the construction zone because men like
Speaker 1: to tell us to smile more than when we get
Speaker 1: to work. We want to make our voices heard, but
Speaker 1: in a way that's helpful and strong without being overbearing
Speaker 1: or shrill. You know, we do all of this without
Speaker 1: even an ounce of resentment, because resentment causes wrinkles, and
Speaker 1: society does not value aging women. Is there im men's
Speaker 1: wrinkle cream that you can recommend? Yes, there are several.
Speaker 1: Should it costs less? Maybe a little? To me? That
Speaker 1: was the most important part of the segment, and DESI
Speaker 1: did it all in one freaking take, beautiful. She looked
Speaker 1: like she was crying inside as she was doing it,
Speaker 1: because as you should. When we were talking to people,
Speaker 1: they were all like, just by the man's pack, just
Speaker 1: by the man's pocket. It's like, no, that's not the point.
Speaker 1: Women often do you have to take extra steps throughout
Speaker 1: the day just because they're a woman, and so this
Speaker 1: shouldn't be one extra step that they have to take.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the solution is, but it should
Speaker 1: not be one more thing for a woman to have
Speaker 1: to go out of her way to do. People just
Speaker 1: stop being assholes. Just let us all be equal. To
Speaker 1: stop over pricing, stacy and three sentences are less. Solve
Speaker 1: economic sexism. Please ready, I'll do it in one second. No,
Speaker 1: I don't stop stop doing it, guys, just stop, make
Speaker 1: it quick, make it stop. Maybe a simple solution is
Speaker 1: all of the goods that charge more for women's versions
Speaker 1: of the product. Maybe in the male versions of the commercials,
Speaker 1: maybe there's just like a woman that just pops up
Speaker 1: in the middle of it, so that we can make
Speaker 1: these products more gender neutral, because commercials are very gender divisive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like if you look at like a ray,
Speaker 1: this is the gilette race and you can shave your
Speaker 1: like the blade comes out the lava and the guy
Speaker 1: grabs it and and then just you can shave your
Speaker 1: face and they just have a woman's head popping women too.
Speaker 1: That's all the time we have for today. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much to our guest Daisi light Like Stacy Angels
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