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Speaker 3: Let us be the first to welcome you to Thursday.
Speaker 4: May the eighth, twenty twenty five quick question, and we
Speaker 4: spent some time hanging out before we start rolling. You guys,
Speaker 4: did edy of us see that constant meme with Justin
Speaker 4: Timberlake saying it's gonna be mad my.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be my? Yes?
Speaker 5: And have you also seen the incredible clip where he
Speaker 5: in his solo career days, does the most cringey white
Speaker 5: boy beatbox ever committed to video.
Speaker 3: Dylan knows Dylan is this like is this like a
Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse era? No, no, no, it's unfortunately no.
Speaker 5: It is post in sync in his solo career, and
Speaker 5: he does this bomb check a boum wow kind of
Speaker 5: thing while doing a day.
Speaker 3: Like he's old enough to like rent a car.
Speaker 5: Part of his concert performance, and it gets punked on
Speaker 5: quite often on the Oh boy.
Speaker 3: Well, it's tough to work in entertainment, as you guys know.
Speaker 3: That's true. That is true.
Speaker 2: I've been listening to a lot of the Lonely Island
Speaker 2: Seth Meyer's podcast and they talk about justin a lot
Speaker 2: because of his involvement in the shorts and stuff.
Speaker 3: Very good.
Speaker 2: I'm I I've rekindled my appreciation of that guy on screen.
Speaker 4: Honestly, the comedic timing unparalleled, you know, super great in
Speaker 4: a box is up there with crimea River.
Speaker 3: Honestly, just in a song strut, just be real, let's
Speaker 3: just go all the way back. It's it's better than Beethoven.
Speaker 4: Screw that guy overrated also went death Beethoven.
Speaker 3: True, that's true. Sorry, just a really quick I saw
Speaker 3: an incredible video. I hope this is true.
Speaker 5: I am just reporting this having seen it and reporting
Speaker 5: it as though it were true. But apparently Beethoven, when
Speaker 5: he went deaf, he had a device that essentially was
Speaker 5: connected to the body of the piano that he put
Speaker 5: in his mouth, and it vibrated through his skull and
Speaker 5: essentially bypassed his actual ears and reached his inner ears directly,
Speaker 5: so he was able to more or less approximate hearing.
Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty incredible, and then a.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a technology we used to use back in
Speaker 4: the day, right, because vibration is sound, right, and this
Speaker 4: is an excellent setup for some of the things we're
Speaker 4: going to discuss this evening. We are going to uh,
Speaker 4: maybe talk a little bit about melungeons. We're definitely gonna
Speaker 4: follow up on how to steal a ton of meat
Speaker 4: or tons of meat, and uh, we're we're going to
Speaker 4: maybe bust some speculation about serial killers.
Speaker 3: Before we do any of that, we're going to take a.
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Speaker 4: to get back into the science of sound.
Speaker 6: Sound And we have returned, and I think I'm gonna
Speaker 6: start off today, thanks guys, with a topic that is
Speaker 6: near and dear to all of us and very much
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 5: Anything music related, music history related, and music technology. Related
Speaker 5: and also Satanic panic related. We've talked a bit recently
Speaker 5: about the idea of backwards masking, of hiding messages, subliminal
Speaker 5: messages in popular music or you know, just any recording
Speaker 5: in general. In fact, we talked a little bit about
Speaker 5: that in a segment with Justin Richmond as part of
Speaker 5: our live show that we just published the episode version
Speaker 5: of just a few weeks ago, talking about different backmasking examples.
Speaker 5: Are they real, are they unintentional? Is it a coincidence
Speaker 5: or or you know, is Judas Priest actually trying to
Speaker 5: corrupt the youth. So we are hearing today from a
Speaker 5: friend of ours. I'm just going to call T an
Speaker 5: H because they didn't give a nickname, and they didn't
Speaker 5: give explicit permission to use their name, so I think
Speaker 5: that's respectful.
Speaker 3: There two new howls there. You go. Love that.
Speaker 5: And this is an individual who writes to us quite
Speaker 5: frequently and quite intelligently, and we do appreciate hearing from
Speaker 5: U T and H every time that we do. So
Speaker 5: I'm just going to jump right into T and hs
Speaker 5: experience as a teenager in the eighties. I'm painfully aware
Speaker 5: of the Satanic panic, but I was a kid who
Speaker 5: liked to figure things out, same with all of us.
Speaker 5: My d thought was that all the back masking crap
Speaker 5: was initially nonsensical people suffering from moral panic hearing what
Speaker 5: they were looking for, and later it just became a
Speaker 5: joke as bands leaned into it one hundred percent DNH.
Speaker 3: We talked a good bit about that with.
Speaker 5: Justin as part of the live show Revolution number nine,
Speaker 5: which is one of the first clips I believe we reference,
Speaker 5: is closest to the real thing I've ever heard. From
Speaker 5: experimenting with cassette tapes as a kid, I found that
Speaker 5: turn me on dead Man only works with a Liverpool accent.
Speaker 5: I recorded it both ways, so cool, and it actually
Speaker 5: works both ways, but it's very likely, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: a massive coincidence. Some of my favorite examples are from
Speaker 5: Christian bands Petra. Interestingly enough, as the intro to their
Speaker 5: song Judas Kiss used a clear backward phrase when played
Speaker 5: backward is intended to shame the satanic panic people. That's
Speaker 5: interesting because obviously Judas Priest you know, is a bit
Speaker 5: of a.
Speaker 3: I don't know, cheeky blaspheme.
Speaker 5: Let's just call it right, isn't the idea of a
Speaker 5: Judas Priest being like a sacrilegious priest.
Speaker 3: Guys, is that maybe where where that name comes from?
Speaker 5: The Judas being the one who betrayed Jesus and a
Speaker 5: Judas Priest being a turncoat member of the clergy.
Speaker 3: I reckon, it's really good wordplay. It's not bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did Judas not kiss Jesus?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying I think the reference here in
Speaker 5: using back masking. I don't know exactly when this track
Speaker 5: came out, and I'll google it, but I have no
Speaker 5: doubt in my mind that it is a reference to
Speaker 5: one of the most public cases of backmasking that involved
Speaker 5: an actual lawsuit. The idea was that Judas Priest hid
Speaker 5: messages in one of their popular songs suggesting that the
Speaker 5: listener unlive themselves there and it was something like do it,
Speaker 5: do it, do it? And the case came forward in
Speaker 5: the UK due to some parents whose child sadly did
Speaker 5: that very thing, and they believe that it was due
Speaker 5: to these messages embedded and Judas Priest recordings. It was, however,
Speaker 5: of course, thrown out of court and famously said, if
Speaker 5: we were going to hide messages in our records. It
Speaker 5: would be something like buy more records.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your honor may I approached the bench absolutely, okay,
Speaker 4: side so right sidebar here just between us millions of
Speaker 4: people in the NSA. It seems that it seems the
Speaker 4: reasoning there is obviously coming from grief, right, and we
Speaker 4: don't want to diminish that. But it also seems that
Speaker 4: this kind of moral panic over the concept of backmasking
Speaker 4: is enticing to the public because it requires you to
Speaker 4: participate in puzzle solving. Right now, you're figuring this out. Yeah, yeah, paradilia.
Speaker 4: So to your to your note about just do it
Speaker 4: right with Judas Priests, If that were true, if like
Speaker 4: a publicly consumable product could make people, as you say,
Speaker 4: un alive themselves, then what's the difference between Judas Priest
Speaker 4: and Nikes.
Speaker 3: I was kidding.
Speaker 5: Just do it and that's right out there front center
Speaker 5: with the swoosh on.
Speaker 3: All their stuff is. But you don't have to crack
Speaker 3: a code. Well, just see it. That's the thing.
Speaker 7: Ben.
Speaker 3: The question there becomes it's so much subtext. Where do it?
Speaker 3: Do it? Do it? I mean, do what like? I mean?
Speaker 5: There's nothing in there even suggested that is specific about
Speaker 5: a method or you know, anything beyond that. So it's
Speaker 5: almost like by the very nature of it being hidden,
Speaker 5: it is somehow nefarious, right, but it being out there
Speaker 5: in the open. I mean, hell, we make the joke
Speaker 5: about they live in our sketch that you wrote that
Speaker 5: we did as part of the live show, the idea
Speaker 5: of slogans and things, you know, hiding his evil messages
Speaker 5: in plain sight. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: advertising is all about subliminal messages, and it's all about
Speaker 5: influencing people's decisions, and somehow that wasn't being called into question.
Speaker 3: I think you're right on the money.
Speaker 4: Ben Oh also credit where due Let us not forget
Speaker 4: that sketch is the ideation of our own mister Matt Frederick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, yeah, and it was a lovely collaboration
Speaker 5: between the three of us. You wrote this to the text,
Speaker 5: I did the sound design, Matt pitched the idea. That
Speaker 5: led to a thing that we all made together and
Speaker 5: did live. Then it was really really fun and rewarding,
Speaker 5: and I hope everyone enjoyed it. So going on, Judas
Speaker 5: Kiss and I did look it up. It was eighty three,
Speaker 5: so I'm not mistaken. It was right there in this
Speaker 5: whole time frame. Judas Kiss used a clearly backward phrase.
Speaker 5: When played backwards, is intended to shame the Satanic panic people.
Speaker 5: It says, why are you looking for the devil when
Speaker 5: you ought to be looking.
Speaker 3: For the Lord? That is fascinating.
Speaker 5: When I initially read this, I thought it being a
Speaker 5: Christian band, that they maybe were somehow on the Christian
Speaker 5: bandwagon of this being a real thing. But no, they
Speaker 5: are wagging the finger a little bit coyly at the
Speaker 5: folks that were promoting these ideas in terms of them
Speaker 5: being a thing and bringing them forward and causing this panic.
Speaker 3: Why are you looking for the devil? People?
Speaker 5: Kind of trying to find the devil in anything is
Speaker 5: usually a big tenet of witch hunt type panics, you know,
Speaker 5: for example the Salem witch Trials that was about people
Speaker 5: seeing the devil in everything when you ought to be
Speaker 5: looking for the Lord. My absolute all time favorite from
Speaker 5: my favorite band as a kid doing a song about
Speaker 5: my favorite poet, Daniel Amos is William Blake. I think
Speaker 5: we all hear a stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 5: Are also huge fans of William Blake, both his poetry
Speaker 5: and his incredible visual art I really love Yes, Yes,
Speaker 5: You're going places that William Blake. Toward the end of
Speaker 5: the song, they brilliantly have background voices clearly backwards saying
Speaker 5: William William played backward. It's chan who loves you? Who
Speaker 5: loves you, William Blake. It is absolutely amazing. As I know,
Speaker 5: the guys had to have done it deliberately, but to
Speaker 5: this day, I don't get any of them to talk
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 5: He must have a connection with these folks. Any of
Speaker 5: them talk about it. It's their own private joke that
Speaker 5: I stumbled upon when I was fifteen.
Speaker 3: That's it. I don't know, guys.
Speaker 5: I thought it must might be a fun opportunity just
Speaker 5: to talk a little bit more about the concept of
Speaker 5: backwards masking. How I think you know, Justin was skeptical
Speaker 5: from the start, and I think we all were as well.
Speaker 5: And I don't believe that other than the intentional kind
Speaker 5: of thumbing the nose at the whole panic of it,
Speaker 5: any of these were anything but coincidental and that pat
Speaker 5: pattern seeking kind of behavior that the human mind is
Speaker 5: prone to, were any.
Speaker 3: Of them convincing to y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm going down a bit of a Petro
Speaker 2: Power Praise Rabbit Hole. It was one of my favorite bands.
Speaker 3: No joke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's your favorite, like, Matt, what's the banger single?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I don't even remember. I had
Speaker 2: their CDs. I would listen to them. I cannot remember
Speaker 2: their music.
Speaker 3: So they were like I remember that was cool with
Speaker 3: the Christian Church.
Speaker 4: They were almost like you remember like the emotional connection
Speaker 4: or that time in your past.
Speaker 2: I remember the band, I remember the disc and the
Speaker 2: lion that was on it. I remember that it just
Speaker 2: sounded like heavy metal music, but Jesus was at the
Speaker 2: center of the songs.
Speaker 3: I like that. He's another real up and common com
Speaker 3: great hair too, by the way. Serious I want to say.
Speaker 2: I want to say they did of they did a
Speaker 2: cover of My God is an Awesome God, But I
Speaker 2: don't think it's that one that's like my favorite MS.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty good structure too for a song. I
Speaker 3: just can't remember that Raise Raise having.
Speaker 5: I gotta hear this, Matt, so like, I guess my
Speaker 5: question to you though, is, as someone who grew up
Speaker 5: in the church, was this something that you were like
Speaker 5: turned onto by like a youth pastor or something where
Speaker 5: this was sort of a band that was like, okay,
Speaker 5: you know, as a substitute for the like darker heavy
Speaker 5: metal that maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did you find it? How did you find it?
Speaker 2: How did I find Well? I was listening to a
Speaker 2: lot of Michael W. Smith.
Speaker 3: I remember that distinctly.
Speaker 2: I remember getting into the Jars of the Clay, and
Speaker 2: I remember the Third Day and DC Talk. But Petro
Speaker 2: was in there somewhere after forty days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a flood. Yeah, it was all great
Speaker 3: flood there.
Speaker 2: I was learning how to play drums to a bunch
Speaker 2: of songs for youth groups. So I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: all in there somewhere, and Petro was a big part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 5: But because Petra is an actual facts eighties Christian hair
Speaker 5: metal band, let's just ya get that out there. The
Speaker 5: other band we were talking about were more contemporary for
Speaker 5: when you were growing up, right, do.
Speaker 4: You guys remember when that band mx PX say hey,
Speaker 4: we're also a Christian band.
Speaker 2: Yes, if they were punk.
Speaker 3: Can be Christian punks.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like when Icy guys, it's Scott.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's Scott. Okay, sure.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like when ICP revealed, Uh, the Great
Speaker 4: conspiracy of the Carnival. I can say that because I'm
Speaker 4: wearing flannel right now.
Speaker 3: You also have a hatchet tattoo on your ankle that
Speaker 3: you're not telling us.
Speaker 4: No, I got to get in the graveyard. Plus you
Speaker 4: know that I can't tattoos.
Speaker 3: Plus so uh yeah.
Speaker 4: The when insane clown Posse came out as Christian, there
Speaker 4: was also a bit of.
Speaker 3: This is news to me, fre Yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 3: that they came out as Christian. Yeah, I don't even
Speaker 3: like saying came out and whatever. I did what you mean,
Speaker 3: but they were. They're pretty profane either.
Speaker 5: Early I see peace stuff is pretty demonic and dark
Speaker 5: and also you know, lots of swears.
Speaker 3: I really didn't know that.
Speaker 5: I guess is that maybe in their Magnets era when
Speaker 5: kind of credit power of magnets to the glory of
Speaker 5: God and then you know, wow, what a crazy thing
Speaker 5: that God hath wrought.
Speaker 4: Well, far be it for us to cast any aspersion
Speaker 4: on a massive demographic in the US that the FBI
Speaker 4: did once classify as domestic terrorist. So we're going to
Speaker 4: be on our p's and ques with this one. I
Speaker 4: think we're all extremely fascinated by backmasking, and I just
Speaker 4: learned something new about you guys. You guys listen to
Speaker 4: music forward. I've only listened to it backwards.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm very confused, Ben, I know you're seizing and and
Speaker 5: there's the thing about this though, that I think came up.
Speaker 5: Maybe we talked about it more in the lead up
Speaker 5: to the show, and we maybe didn't make it in,
Speaker 5: but we were talking about how the early days of
Speaker 5: like recording technology, when it became more accessible to folks,
Speaker 5: there was a realization that you could flip a tape
Speaker 5: backwards and play things in reverse. And some of the
Speaker 5: early examples of that were experimented by the great magician
Speaker 5: Alistair Crowley. And this idea like almost like what they
Speaker 5: call parcel tongue in the Harry Potter universe, you know,
Speaker 5: the idea of sort of these whispered backwards the incantations
Speaker 5: that by learning to speak backwards like a lah David Lynch,
Speaker 5: you could, you know, in some way cast a spell.
Speaker 5: So that's actually one of the earliest examples of folks
Speaker 5: kind of experimenting with this stuff. And then in France
Speaker 5: you had the music Concrete kind of experimental genre where
Speaker 5: people were taking tape machines and you know, recording equipment
Speaker 5: and using them quote unquote incorrectly and trying to make
Speaker 5: collages and things with sound instead of with visuals. And
Speaker 5: that is the tradition that Revolution number nine by the
Speaker 5: Beatles stems from and was inspired by.
Speaker 4: Oh well, nice structure on that, would know. Also, you
Speaker 4: reminded me that we need a quick maya kulpa for
Speaker 4: the audience. We missed something in our very beginning, and
Speaker 4: it's so apropos for this conversation about coding and music.
Speaker 3: We have to dig some rootabagas.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, gosh, wait, well we were promised rudabacas.
Speaker 4: There it is, pay it backwards, Dylan.
Speaker 3: Finds away.
Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna say that Dylan Fagan looks a little
Speaker 4: bit like Jesus Christ, just like from an outsider perspective,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He does look a little bit like Jesus totally.
Speaker 2: Like if he cleaned up and had a guitar. We're embarrassing, Uh,
Speaker 2: Dylan has new Is it coming soon?
Speaker 4: By the way I saw those musician Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's continue to embarrass it to it.
Speaker 3: No before we move on.
Speaker 4: If you had a thesis response, to our friend.
Speaker 3: LHR twenty twenty novel hotels. Then sorry you guys, I
Speaker 3: didn't even get that letter, not even what would.
Speaker 5: Your response be, Oh, I think this, I just this
Speaker 5: is the part of it that I do find fascinating
Speaker 5: is the much more so than any potential real life
Speaker 5: nefarious meaning behind any of these, is just the kind
Speaker 5: of punk nature of the backlash against it from the
Speaker 5: music community. And I just love the idea that also
Speaker 5: extended into Christian music, which is a genre that I
Speaker 5: am deeply unfamiliar with other than its kind of some
Speaker 5: of those top names that we mentioned, but like all
Speaker 5: of the stuff. I think one of the examples that
Speaker 5: we played in the little game we did with Justin
Speaker 5: was the B fifty two's with a hidden message basically
Speaker 5: say like I buried my parakeet in the backyard. Oh no,
Speaker 5: you're playing your record backwards. You might damage your needle,
Speaker 5: you know, just like it's such a fun little kind
Speaker 5: of let's just this is too serious, let's take this
Speaker 5: down a notch. And even some of the heavier bands
Speaker 5: that you know might be considered a little more self
Speaker 5: serious played it for laughs. So I'm a huge fan
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Speaker 2: And we've returned to guys, and guess what what what
Speaker 2: we have the meats. We are gonna go full meat
Speaker 2: in this section of the show, Prepare yourselves. The meat
Speaker 2: begins with Chef Ben.
Speaker 3: Naw boy rdep No, Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Well do you know his last name and we know
Speaker 2: his website and he's awesome here we can we have
Speaker 2: some jokes from them.
Speaker 8: Heck yeah, fella's Chef Ben in Chicago. Listening to your
Speaker 8: episode where you highlight an eighty thousand pounds meat heist.
Speaker 8: Always here for a heist. This is me officially saying
Speaker 8: I have not hoisted any meat, especially of that amount.
Speaker 8: A couples about that, first off, unless it's fresh shellfish,
Speaker 8: right like your oysters, your muscles, stuff like that. People
Speaker 8: in my industry aren't gonna be too cranky about the
Speaker 8: provenance of an ever so slightly discounted product. Right You're
Speaker 8: running a barbecue place and somebody comes up to you
Speaker 8: and is like, hey, got a bunch of brisket, and
Speaker 8: I know you're paying fourteen dollars a pounds for your brisket.
Speaker 8: I'll let you have this for twelve dollars a pound.
Speaker 8: People in my industry aren't going to ask too many questions, right, However,
Speaker 8: I would like to say, because that's kind of a
Speaker 8: haphazard way to do it, Like, you don't steal eighty
Speaker 8: thousand pounds of meat and then say what do I
Speaker 8: do next? Right in Chicago, we've got a face where
Speaker 8: everybody's got a guy. Right, you need to get your
Speaker 8: fry or fixed. Do you need a new condenser for
Speaker 8: a walk in cooler? You need a dishwasher just for
Speaker 8: three days? You got a guy. You got a guy
Speaker 8: for everything. So let's say everybody in town knows you
Speaker 8: as the meat guy. They are presuming that you made
Speaker 8: the meat where you sourced it in such a way
Speaker 8: that it's totally cool. But if you've stolen all that meat,
Speaker 8: the people you're selling it to they don't know, and
Speaker 8: they don't care. The people in my industry they don't care.
Speaker 8: So I would say that somebody who steals eighty thousand
Speaker 8: pounds of meat is a known quantity, is a known
Speaker 8: person to all the people that you are going to sell
Speaker 8: to barbecue restaurants, burger restaurants, push your shops, that sort
Speaker 8: of thing. So what you're looking for here? And this
Speaker 8: is organized crime. This isn't just like a oh, somebody
Speaker 8: left a truck idling in a parking lot. I must
Speaker 8: steal this truck full of meat. This is a hit,
Speaker 8: and this is somebody's livelihood, and it's not the first
Speaker 8: time they've done it. As always, feel free to use
Speaker 8: this on your lovely, Lovely show, and I will continue
Speaker 8: to listen. Now that I drive a lot more guys,
Speaker 8: it's four of us driving all over Chicago, appreciating her
Speaker 8: along for the ride.
Speaker 7: Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Yay, we love Chicago. Thank yeah, thanks Chef Ben, Chef Ben.
Speaker 4: I love Chef Chef Ben, and I hope you enjoyed
Speaker 4: the joke we we cracked in commiseration with you earlier.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: Also, clearly, Matt Nol, I am biased. I have a
Speaker 4: very strong probe ben bias on things, understandably, but this
Speaker 4: chef is that the chef has been nail at it lately.
Speaker 4: And I think that's a really good point regarding the
Speaker 4: idea of having a quote unquote guy knowing the providence
Speaker 4: and it definitely does seem that this was not an
Speaker 4: act of simple opportunism, right, This does feel planned. I
Speaker 4: remember we were when we first talked about this meat
Speaker 4: heist in a Strange News recording hour that.
Speaker 2: Was early April. Ben, you brought us the story correct.
Speaker 4: Our early like I remember, our question was how do
Speaker 4: you move it?
Speaker 3: What do you do to meet with all this meat? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well guys, that was the big question, right. But
Speaker 2: then I went back and I looked at Strange News
Speaker 2: from November twenty twenty two. We talked about another frozen
Speaker 2: meat heist and another meat crime ring. So the rhymes
Speaker 2: of the hearts, yes, the one, yes, the one that
Speaker 2: Chef Ben is talking about. Is that eighty thousand pounds,
Speaker 2: huge deal. But there were no rests, No, there's no
Speaker 2: update yet to what happened. There around three hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars worth of meat take and this concept
Speaker 2: where do you take it? How do you do it?
Speaker 2: How organized is this as a crime?
Speaker 3: Go?
Speaker 2: If you go back to the twenty twenty two to one,
Speaker 2: there were three men in Florida who got sentenced for
Speaker 2: stealing semi truckloads of frozen beef and pork from six states.
Speaker 2: There were forty five total thefts totaling nine million dollars
Speaker 2: in loss, and it was it was basically a huge,
Speaker 2: almost rico case for these guys in Florida.
Speaker 3: Like nine million dollars worth or yes, like.
Speaker 2: That, forty five thefts nine million dollars and.
Speaker 4: You brought that story. I just want to give credit
Speaker 4: where it's do there met You have one of my
Speaker 4: favorite internal titles. You called it grand theft carne.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, quite clever, yes, oh yes, every
Speaker 2: once in a while I could make it happen.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about you have? Mine was clever fellows,
Speaker 3: I know, but yeah, you're pretty great at it.
Speaker 2: But then, so this is all where we're all thinking
Speaker 2: about this together now because we just talked about it
Speaker 2: again recently. So another person called in with some information
Speaker 2: that then ties kind of these two things together, and
Speaker 2: especially this concept of what do you do with it?
Speaker 2: How does it work? How organized is it? So let's
Speaker 2: go to this gentleman. I'll uh, I'll let him tell
Speaker 2: us his name.
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is a fast watch of stunt, double
Speaker 7: strange news you guys did about the meat stuff that's
Speaker 7: actually really common I'm in the trucking industry, and food
Speaker 7: is stolen all the time because it's untraceable and easy
Speaker 7: to turn over.
Speaker 8: So oftentimes for.
Speaker 7: Like all Front Podegas, small family run market. One of
Speaker 7: the markets nearby where I used to live was a
Speaker 7: Mexican market and they were receiving all kinds of stolen
Speaker 7: food and meat things like that without even knowing. People
Speaker 7: set up fake trucking companies all the time, or they'll
Speaker 7: set up fake bills or fake dispatches to real truckers,
Speaker 7: get them to go pick it up and offload someplace weird,
Speaker 7: and there's truckers that actually in the jail over the
Speaker 7: whole thing. If you guys want to check out some
Speaker 7: more information on it. There's a really good podcasts called
Speaker 7: The nut Job, which talks about a almond heist in
Speaker 7: California where the trucker that picked up a bunch of
Speaker 7: almonds turned out to be fake bill and it was
Speaker 7: stolen almonds and he went to GYP.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, whoa Sasquatch's stunt double sasquatches stunt double perfect?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Ten? Ten no notes.
Speaker 4: I hope that is your legal name on your birth certificate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the really important thing is that Sasquatch's
Speaker 2: stunt double is kind of reinforcing something that Chef Benz
Speaker 2: said to us, which is, maybe, you know, Chef ben says,
Speaker 2: maybe the people buying the meat don't really care that
Speaker 2: much where it came from. But then he kind of
Speaker 2: reinforces that, saying, you know, some of these smaller family businesses,
Speaker 2: you've just got cheaper meat so you can actually make
Speaker 2: you know, more of a profit on the things you're
Speaker 2: trying to sell. Especially if you're a smaller business, it
Speaker 2: just makes sense. And you may have no idea that
Speaker 2: anything has gone wrong, that there's any wrongdoing whatsoever, but
Speaker 2: you are still able to run your business right.
Speaker 4: Especially in both restaurants and mom and pop retail stores,
Speaker 4: there's such a razor thin margin of survival, right, let
Speaker 4: them out profitability. And and what I love about these points, guys,
Speaker 4: is that we're not saying people are knowingly participating in
Speaker 4: some kind of criminal activity or being And know you
Speaker 4: were in my head for a second both said meat fence. Yes,
Speaker 4: people people aren't knowingly consenting to be you know, quote
Speaker 4: unquote meat fencers, but they are maybe folks who know
Speaker 4: a guy who has.
Speaker 3: That's another thing entirely. It's like a sport where you
Speaker 3: fight with meat meat fencing.
Speaker 5: You know, we had a whole one hand behind your
Speaker 5: back and you just slap each other mistakes.
Speaker 4: I've also pictory you also to get a fence built
Speaker 4: for your house. Maybe some guys like, yeah, wood prices
Speaker 4: are through the roof, but we can make you a fence.
Speaker 2: Let's pork this fence.
Speaker 3: Let's make it work. Let's pork this fence. We get
Speaker 3: more to get to.
Speaker 2: Just a little aside here listening to Sasquatch's stunt double
Speaker 2: talk about the nut job another podcast. I had never
Speaker 2: heard of that before, but the idea of an almond
Speaker 2: heist also kind of new to me. There is an
Speaker 2: entire Wikipedia entry for quote California nut crimes.
Speaker 9: California nut crimes, the name of our new state, by
Speaker 9: the way, production by Dylan Fagan aka Street Jesus, California Nutcrimes.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting to just a moment on that aside,
Speaker 4: because technically speaking, right, almonds are a very thirsty crop
Speaker 4: to grow. California has a lot of problems with water security,
Speaker 4: so you could argue that that an almond heist is
Speaker 4: getting close to what we in a few years or decades,
Speaker 4: hence we'll call water crimes.
Speaker 3: They're on the way man, totally.
Speaker 5: We've talked about it before and I think you nailed it, Ben,
Speaker 5: mm hmm, that nas at all?
Speaker 3: What is it? Aquault? Is it Aquacola?
Speaker 7: Ye?
Speaker 4: Start start by watching Babe film, right, and then get
Speaker 4: up the Fury road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and eventually Death of a Unicorn, which was great.
Speaker 2: Watch it last night.
Speaker 3: It was good. You liked it.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it very I want to see it. I'm
Speaker 3: excited to see it. I want to see something. I
Speaker 3: want to hear some more meat heist.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, first first we have to we have to
Speaker 2: hear a description of meat fencing from our own Dylan
Speaker 2: Tennessee Powell. Yes, put it in the chat.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, with great with great affection.
Speaker 4: Uh, Dylan says, So two fencers with one of those
Speaker 4: big euro meat cones in the middle, and they're slicing
Speaker 4: it from either side.
Speaker 2: You whoa that impression?
Speaker 4: No, okay, it's just a different voice, just going with
Speaker 4: a gentle delivery.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 5: So they're slicing it, it's it's in the center. And
Speaker 5: it's a slicing competition.
Speaker 2: Yes, but with fencing swords.
Speaker 5: With fencing sword which don't have an edge, by the
Speaker 5: really hard to slice meats, there is a saber that
Speaker 5: is a separate event within you could use, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 5: a meat saber which definitely isn't a euphemism for nanny.
Speaker 3: Do it as a whisper a whisper.
Speaker 2: Well, Dylan just says, so, gentle, that's how you got it.
Speaker 2: You do it with your fencing.
Speaker 3: Swords, So gentle, got it.
Speaker 2: You let the turning of the what are those machines?
Speaker 2: You let the turning on the machine work for you.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeh yeah. Okay guys. One last
Speaker 2: message here from a person calling us from Canada who
Speaker 2: just has a little bit.
Speaker 5: More info and thanks for still being our friends Canadian listening.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you being a Yeah, we love you. That's
Speaker 3: very clear, Yes we do.
Speaker 5: We are not a party to the negative talk towards
Speaker 5: your country.
Speaker 2: Here's our message.
Speaker 8: Greeting denizens of the boy.
Speaker 10: This is token Canucks. Just wanted to give you a
Speaker 10: little insight into something that's going on in relation to
Speaker 10: the meat heist story that you recently spoke about on
Speaker 10: a news segment where eighty thousand pounds of beef were
Speaker 10: stolen by a fraudulent trucking company. This isn't something unique
Speaker 10: to meet or a specific industry. This is actually a
Speaker 10: huge problem right now with people in the luxury and
Speaker 10: exotic car industry. Someone will purchase a car from a
Speaker 10: reputable dealership, new or use, you know, they need to
Speaker 10: have a ship to them. They may be across the country,
Speaker 10: they may be a couple of states away. Distance doesn't
Speaker 10: really matter. But what happens is these vehicles are sent
Speaker 10: to what's called central Dispatch, which basically just subcontracts out
Speaker 10: shipping of the vehicles to a number of trucking companies.
Speaker 10: Some of these trucking companies are fronts for organized crime,
Speaker 10: and expensive vehicles end up in places like Mexico or
Speaker 10: the Middle East or countries where they're a lot harder
Speaker 10: to get a hold of. So the dealership is out
Speaker 10: of car, the person who purchased the cars out of car,
Speaker 10: and the criminals are getting away with it. This is
Speaker 10: rampant right now. It's a huge issue, and if you
Speaker 10: do a little bit of digging, you'll see lots of
Speaker 10: interesting stories about what's going on. And where these cars
Speaker 10: end up anyway, Thanks for the great show, and I
Speaker 10: appreciate everything you guys do to warm people about interesting
Speaker 10: goings on in the world.
Speaker 3: Thank you Boom.
Speaker 5: What a quintessentially Canadian voice. I love everything about that.
Speaker 5: That warmed my heart. Thank you and just a lovely
Speaker 5: human person. Thank you very much for calling well.
Speaker 2: I just love that we're having our perspective expanded out
Speaker 2: or changed enough to where we're thinking about cars in
Speaker 2: this way and fake bills of laden or lading lately,
Speaker 2: and just you know, front companies, front trucking companies, all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. It's just all happening around. It's
Speaker 2: not just affecting meat. I don't know, maybe there's more
Speaker 2: to even discover in a big episode guys about maybe
Speaker 2: front another front companies type episode, because I know we've
Speaker 2: talked about them several times, but maybe there's something in there.
Speaker 4: I think there's a stuff they don't want you to
Speaker 4: know about trucking. Many evenings go in the car stuff evenings.
Speaker 4: We had an episode about the proliferation of dodgy exotic
Speaker 4: cars in the Middle East and specific and I want
Speaker 4: to be careful about saying too much. You can check
Speaker 4: out the episode if you wish to learn more. All
Speaker 4: to say, I think we're in consensus on like every
Speaker 4: caller we just had has clearly acknowledged the possibility, plausibility
Speaker 4: and operation of front companies, especially in trucking.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, you know, it's a joke even
Speaker 5: and like shows like The Sopranos, the idea of it
Speaker 5: fell off a truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah. Guys. Last two things to
Speaker 2: bring up. Number one from September twenty twenty four in Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: four men got arrested in a thing called Operation Beef
Speaker 2: Bandites Christ, which is.
Speaker 3: Stuff there goes my tender.
Speaker 5: Also that's what it says in the profile.
Speaker 2: It says.
Speaker 3: Also not Aphi love that.
Speaker 2: In this one it was fully organized crime happening on
Speaker 2: the Jersey Turnpike where tractor trailers were being stolen or
Speaker 2: stuff was being taken out of trailers while the driver slept,
Speaker 2: which is really interesting. And then another one, guys, a
Speaker 2: man in Ohio was just found guilty recently. This was
Speaker 2: written in April ninth. He had a role in a
Speaker 2: crime ring, a full on crime ring stole more than
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty thousand dollars worth of meat, liquor, cigarettes,
Speaker 2: and cash from delivery trucks in Ohio. And the last thing,
Speaker 2: just I thought this was interesting for us guys. This
Speaker 2: person in Euclid, Ohio. The jury found him guilty of
Speaker 2: engaging in a quote pattern of corrupt activity, grand theft,
Speaker 2: auto and two counts of felony theft. Here's the interesting part.
Speaker 2: Engaging in a quote pattern of corrupt activity is Ohio's
Speaker 2: version of the Rico Statute, the organized crime thing. But
Speaker 2: it's that specific term, a pattern of corrupt activity, which
Speaker 2: I thought was just an interesting language to.
Speaker 3: Apply to that, and they want to build a precedent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then using that to you know, really throw
Speaker 2: the book at somebody. Okay, that's it for now. Thanks
Speaker 2: everybody for calling in about meat. There are many more
Speaker 2: of you who called in and wrote in about the
Speaker 2: whole meat thing, but specific thanks to Chef Ben Sasquatches,
Speaker 2: Stunt Double and Token Kanuk. Will be right back with
Speaker 2: more messages from y'all.
Speaker 3: And we have returned.
Speaker 4: Fellow conspiracy realist. We want to begin by thanking everyone
Speaker 4: who wrote to us about some incredibly troubly We want
Speaker 4: to thank in sickness, we want to thank a lot
Speaker 4: of our friends and neighbors on our Facebook page. Here's
Speaker 4: where it gets crazy, everyone who reached out to us
Speaker 4: on Instagram or social media platforms of their choice. Gentlemen,
Speaker 4: you perhaps have heard the scuttle butt and speculation about
Speaker 4: a possible serial killer actively operating in the New England region.
Speaker 3: Indeed, yeah, we got heard rumblings.
Speaker 2: Were on the Tenderfoot side. We were trying to discern
Speaker 2: if anything actually was real going on there, any of
Speaker 2: it had any sand Have we got a message from
Speaker 2: somebody that knows more or what do you think?
Speaker 4: We have a lot of questions a lot of people.
Speaker 4: As we record this evening Friday, May second, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: local law enforcement in the area that we in the
Speaker 4: US roughly called New England. They are investigating the discovery
Speaker 4: of eleven bodies, eleven dead human beings found in the
Speaker 4: area and this has ignited fears of a potential operating
Speaker 4: serial killer. As we know, many serial killers are mispetrayed
Speaker 4: in film and fiction and popular media. Most of the
Speaker 4: serial killers that are apprehended are kind of spiraling. They're
Speaker 4: not great at their jobs, right. So we have a
Speaker 4: very we have a very small sample size, right, we
Speaker 4: catch the ones who beat me here, Dylan, we catch
Speaker 4: the ones job. And the issue is that, because there's
Speaker 4: there's this weird lionization of serial murders in the US
Speaker 4: in specific, especially like post Gacy, post Bundan era, we
Speaker 4: have this cultural thing where we always want to figure
Speaker 4: out whether.
Speaker 3: Or not there is a serial killer.
Speaker 4: So right now, not just in Sickness, but many other
Speaker 4: folks who wrote to us, we're going to protect their anonymity.
Speaker 4: They're quite concerned that there may be something some nefarious
Speaker 4: activity occurring, similar to what we talked about with the
Speaker 4: our series on Uncaught serial Killers right as a three parter,
Speaker 4: similar to our earlier conversation about dodgy murders and cadaver
Speaker 4: discoveries out in the Austin area. It's oh and of
Speaker 4: course the Manchester pusher.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So there there clearly is a reason people are concerned.
Speaker 4: Did a little bit of digging on this, and it
Speaker 4: looks like we can safely say, as far as all.
Speaker 3: Right, this is my opinion.
Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, As far as we can tell now, it
Speaker 4: does not appear that there is an active serial killer
Speaker 4: responsible for these specific bodies discovered.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's over ten, like twelve people, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean definitely leads one to think that something
Speaker 5: like that might be going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but how do you group them together?
Speaker 4: That is right, because news is saying eleven and then
Speaker 4: other people are saying twelve. If you go to the
Speaker 4: New England sk page on Facebook, which is pretty complicated,
Speaker 4: there are people who are saying, look, these different murders
Speaker 4: are linked, right because they occurred in a relatively discrete
Speaker 4: window of time. I'd love to talk with Tenderfoot about this,
Speaker 4: and they occur within a relatively distinct region. Yet how
Speaker 4: do we define the time, right, how do we define
Speaker 4: the region? How do we define the demographic, the manner
Speaker 4: of death? All that stuff, right, all the really boring
Speaker 4: stuff that people don't often listen to.
Speaker 3: We know that there have been.
Speaker 4: A series of bodies discovered between March and April, primarily
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island, right, classic New England.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think Massachusetts is the more recent findings,
Speaker 2: but it was definitely Connecticut and Rhode Island, which are
Speaker 2: you know, directly connected to each other by a border,
Speaker 2: which makes you think, okay, well that's you know, that's
Speaker 2: definitely an area. And then Massachusetts is just north of
Speaker 2: those in north and to the east. So it does
Speaker 2: make you think, oh, well, that is one pretty specific
Speaker 2: area of the United States.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 4: Yes, And we also have to remember the United States
Speaker 4: for now is cartoonishly huge, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So if you look at the if you look at
Speaker 4: the confluence of New York State to Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island,
Speaker 4: what you're going to see is a map of bodies discovered, right.
Speaker 4: But we're not counting every dead body found in Massachusetts
Speaker 4: where we're in Rhode Islands or in Connecticut. We're counting
Speaker 4: bodies found in a window of time, right, and that's it.
Speaker 4: We're not counting things like specific cause of death, we're
Speaker 4: not counting specific demographics other than largely female identifying. It
Speaker 4: just it feels like people are speculating wildly, and it
Speaker 4: feels like it might make things more difficul for law enforcement.
Speaker 2: I do agree. But a lot of the bodies are
Speaker 2: found along the coast, like really close to the coast.
Speaker 2: They're all along that border that goes you know, if
Speaker 2: you're thinking about Boston right from.
Speaker 3: Like Stamford up to Boston through Plymouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so going all around the coast there. So
Speaker 2: you know, the mind wanders, right, especially if there's a
Speaker 2: lot of speculation going on about maybe this is somebody
Speaker 2: operating via boat or you know, someone who's actually traveling
Speaker 2: along the coast not actually by land, and that kind
Speaker 2: of thing. There's all that kind of stuff that floats
Speaker 2: around your mind.
Speaker 4: I suppose all logical questions, right, all stuff we have
Speaker 4: to answer. We may need to do a further investigation
Speaker 4: on this, but right now, at present, with the input
Speaker 4: from law enforcement, with the statements of families and you know,
Speaker 4: the survivors of these victims or the people who have passed,
Speaker 4: all we can say is it does not appear that
Speaker 4: there's like one messed up guy doing all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And at least one person has been picked up for murder, right.
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, to arrest have been made, I believe, yeah,
Speaker 4: so to arrest have been made, not in any kind.
Speaker 3: Of serial murder charge.
Speaker 4: What may have occurred, with the best of intentions, was
Speaker 4: that a ton of people got together on social media,
Speaker 4: right and started building a narrative and serving that narrative
Speaker 4: sort of similar to that novel focos Pendulum, wherein people
Speaker 4: create a conspiracy, and then it becomes real for them,
Speaker 4: and as real world consequences shout out to the other
Speaker 4: what eight people who read that? Anyway, this is hope.
Speaker 4: This is a pull back from the ledge right. We
Speaker 4: don't have to immediately assume there are operating serial murderers,
Speaker 4: because again, our sample size of serial murderers is relatively small.
Speaker 4: It's a very small percentage of any given population, and
Speaker 4: we only catch the ones who mess up.
Speaker 3: It's true, and if we.
Speaker 4: Could guys, just so this is not a just so
Speaker 4: we don't end on too dark a note before we
Speaker 4: relitigate our mutual opinions about the phenomena of what we
Speaker 4: call serial murder and how to get caught or get
Speaker 4: away with it.
Speaker 3: Let's end on a little letter from home.
Speaker 4: We had a guy write to us, or call us actually,
Speaker 4: about some shapes on his head.
Speaker 8: Hi.
Speaker 11: Ordinarily I call me Samuel, but if you want today
Speaker 11: you can call me the lumpy misshaped potato. And yeah,
Speaker 11: you can go ahead and use this on there if
Speaker 11: you want. I mostly just wanted to give us thank
Speaker 11: you to Ben, as you have given me a line
Speaker 11: of inquiry into one of the mysteries of my assistance
Speaker 11: the other day when you mentioned phrenology and the malungeon people,
Speaker 11: that gave me a line of inquiry into why my
Speaker 11: head is shaped so weird. When Ben mentioned the lump
Speaker 11: that apparently wellundeon people have uh because my head is
Speaker 11: shaped kind of weird like that, I've just always wondered.
Speaker 11: And my dad is from out east Kentucky, Tennessee ways,
Speaker 11: so uh yeah that might be the case.
Speaker 7: So thanks Ben.
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember this, of course?
Speaker 5: So I remember this about you for sure, and that's
Speaker 5: something that you talk about often, and it's something that
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people continue to not known
Speaker 5: much about, maybe outside of the mentioned that Elvis Presley
Speaker 5: may have been from this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's like the most famous one. Or Abe
Speaker 4: Lincoln is a conspiracy. So the reason we're doing this
Speaker 4: letter from home and thank you so much, Semil, is
Speaker 4: this gives us an excuse to conduct an experiment together.
Speaker 3: Folks.
Speaker 4: It's one we've done previously, but we guarantee you it
Speaker 4: might it might rock your world. It'll at least technically
Speaker 4: shake your head. So if we could all, if you're
Speaker 4: not driving, if you're in a safe place, take your hand,
Speaker 4: whatever your dominant hand may be okay, and then place
Speaker 4: it right behind right where your find where your spine
Speaker 4: hits your cranium, and then go a little bit up,
Speaker 4: a little bit up right, and then give yourself, give
Speaker 4: yourself a little rub. Feel the topology I have at
Speaker 4: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, indentation is going in slightly. Yeah, if there's a bump, well,
Speaker 3: then welcome to the track. Well, what's a bump if
Speaker 3: not two things between an indentation?
Speaker 4: So the idea here it goes back to an earlier
Speaker 4: episode we did and look, uh, phrenology is wack and
Speaker 4: do science. It's racism disguised the science. It was used
Speaker 4: to victimize a lot of what we will call tri
Speaker 4: racial isolates. Definitely used to victimize a lot of other
Speaker 4: innocent people along the way.
Speaker 3: But it is.
Speaker 4: Interesting because for everyone who just raised their raised their
Speaker 4: hand ever so gently and felt that bump, you gotta wonder,
Speaker 4: right at least that's the myth we are told. It
Speaker 4: is sometimes called the Turkish bump. Weirdly enough, I don't
Speaker 4: think Turkish people call it that. I genuinely don't think
Speaker 4: people in Turkey a care. I just wonder, like, do
Speaker 4: you guys think there are any to the earlier point.
Speaker 4: Are there any like physical giveaways of a genetic lineage
Speaker 4: with that level of specificity or is it just a racism.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's tough, Ben, because there certainly are, you know,
Speaker 5: certain characteristics that can be seen in folks from different heritages,
Speaker 5: But the way that it's couched often is absolutely as
Speaker 5: a slam, or as a slur, or as some.
Speaker 3: Sort of insult.
Speaker 5: So it's really hard to even talk about that in
Speaker 5: a level headed way without potentially triggering that kind of thinking.
Speaker 4: I don't know, hmm, Well said, yeah, well put and
Speaker 4: we know this is deep water. We know this can
Speaker 4: always be touchy for folks. Part of why we're bringing
Speaker 4: this up at the end is to let you know
Speaker 4: about the future. There is a non zero likelihood that
Speaker 4: pseudoscience and this kind of prejudice will be further institutionalized
Speaker 4: by the privatization of your genetic data. Shout out to
Speaker 4: everybody who's spat in a little too for twenty three
Speaker 4: a meter. We've done ads for them before. We don't
Speaker 4: have a problem with the company, but we do have
Speaker 4: to realize there are other factors at play. So I
Speaker 4: said we were going to end on a good note.
Speaker 4: I guess we got a little ominous. Sorry, guys, Is
Speaker 4: that okay? Can we keep this part in or do
Speaker 4: we need to cut it?
Speaker 3: We absolutely should keep it in.
Speaker 5: I just think it is a difficult thing to talk
Speaker 5: about sometimes and perhaps an unnecessary thing to talk about
Speaker 5: unless it is as an exploration if you are perhaps
Speaker 5: a someone studying like anthropology for example, right, but then
Speaker 5: even that information is used negatively by folks to other
Speaker 5: people where you look at research perhaps and say, oh,
Speaker 5: this type of bone structure, et cetera.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of at a bit of a loss, but
Speaker 5: I do think it's absolutely a worthy thing to bring up.
Speaker 3: I hear you. I appreciate that man.
Speaker 4: Phrenology was weaponized, it was monetized, and it was used
Speaker 4: to the detriment of civilization overall. So the question then becomes,
Speaker 4: what is the future of these kinds of pseudosciences or
Speaker 4: drawing conclusions. We want to hear from you, folks in
Speaker 4: the degree that you are comfortable. Thank you as always
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