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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: my name is Nolan. They called me Ben You are

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Speaker 1: you that makes this stuff? They don't want you to know?

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Speaker 1: You guys traveled pretty extensively, right. We've talked about that

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Speaker 1: past episodes. Not so much currently, but in the past

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Speaker 1: for sure. I'm what they called a man of the world. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a man of the States, which is different from

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Speaker 1: being a globalist. We have other episodes on that. Have

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Speaker 1: you all ever been to Yellowstone? Never? I would really

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Speaker 1: like to go. In a previous episode, we explored something

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Speaker 1: called the Yellows Stone. Is it supervolcano? Up? Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to that episode for full details, folks.

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Speaker 1: But the gist of it is that there's this gigantic

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Speaker 1: disaster catastrophe waiting to occur. It's not if it's when

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Speaker 1: right right, And the problem is when we talk about

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Speaker 1: time and geological terms, you know, thousands of years are

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Speaker 1: well within a margin of error, so we don't know. Luckily, um,

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Speaker 1: if you are listening now, hopefully that means it has

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Speaker 1: not exploded yet. Well, as we record this, that's the

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Speaker 1: best thing we can say. It has not exploded yet.

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Speaker 1: But we have a another adventure that takes place in

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Speaker 1: the inner part of the United States. Like most countries,

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Speaker 1: the United States strives to function under the rule of law,

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Speaker 1: and that means that the most basic level, there's a

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Speaker 1: code of taboo behavior stuff you're not supposed to do, crimes,

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Speaker 1: these behaviors should be prevented, or if we can't prevent them,

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Speaker 1: they should be punished. And you know, each crime has

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Speaker 1: a number of possible legal consequences. It could be anything

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Speaker 1: from like a small citation, like a like a parking ticket,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Nolan, I go to a Primus concert

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Speaker 1: worth it. We saw Primus, it was just yeah, you

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Speaker 1: Or you know, you could go to a prison for

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Speaker 1: or in some cases, you could be executed in this

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Speaker 1: country at least that's that's how it is on paper. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: and again like in most countries, the real life application

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Speaker 1: can invalidate the entire thing, sure, like a certain witnesses

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Speaker 1: that even unintentionally just destroys it. Right because they have

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Speaker 1: to obey rules. The criminal also might just never be apprehended,

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Speaker 1: or a like a much reduced sentence, a lesser charge um.

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Speaker 1: And then it happens more often than we'd like to think. Right,

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Speaker 1: And then this is really strange one which I didn't

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Speaker 1: a combination of two separate words affluence, wealth and influenza

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Speaker 1: answer for everybody in the audience is just be very cautious,

426
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Speaker 1: be aware. If someone you don't particularly get on with

427
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: invite you to go camping in Yellowstone, at least ask

428
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: them where you're going in Yellows and get the coordinates. Yeah,

429
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: they make sure you have a GPS that's always in

430
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: your possession to know if you step on that land,

431
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: drop a pen, help a pen, just like missing four

432
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: one one. Also, anytime you go out in the woods,

433
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: let somebody who's back in civilization know when you're supposed

434
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: to be back and when you step on Idaho land

435
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: within Yellowstone. And we will answer Noel's excellent question after

436
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Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, m So. Dr Colt worked

437
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: assiduously to bring this issue to the public eye, as

438
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: we said, and to the attention and policymakers. It seems

439
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: that officials are aware of the loophole, but they were

440
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: either in some cases to answer your question or they

441
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: were either under the impression that was effectively solved or

442
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: that they, specifically in their position, were not the person

443
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: to solve it. So one one group or one senator

444
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: rather wrote back and was under the impression that dual

445
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: jurisdiction existed in Yellowstone or that members of nearby areas

446
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: could fill in as as members of the jury. I

447
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: can imagine that being the viewpoint instead of seeing as

448
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: nobody has jurisdiction, both states have jurisdiction, so you just

449
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of decide once when something happens, could the court

450
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: interpret it that way? Is this open for interpretation or

451
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: is it so cific that like this case would actually

452
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: lead to an issue like this. It's pretty explicit, which

453
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: is why the court said no. Just look, we can

454
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: agree that you shouldn't have shot an elk, but we

455
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: don't need to We don't need to put the rule

456
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: of law and danger in Yeah, exactly. Um. Yes, So

457
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: things did turn around a little bit after the publication

458
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: of a fictional book, a novel called Free Fire by

459
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: a fellow named CJ. Box in two thousand seven. Turns

460
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: out there was a senator from Wyoming who was a

461
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: fan of C. J. Box and read the book and thought,

462
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: hang on, I hang on a yeah, and uh so.

463
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: Senator Mike Enzi got involved almost entirely at first because

464
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: he was a fan of c J. Box, and he

465
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: asked the Department of Justice to look into the issue.

466
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: They did, and they concluded that no fix was needed.

467
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, couldn't this be open for

468
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: interpretation where you could, like, you know, like it's it's

469
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: so obvious, like you know, this is like obviously like

470
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: a mistake. I don't know, I mean I think I would,

471
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: I would be of the same opinion. Their response was

472
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: that trying someone in the wrong state or in the

473
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: wrong district of um is essentially a and this is

474
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: their phrase, harmless error. She's uh so, both Dr Carlton

475
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Center and he thought this was incorrect. Uh They believe

476
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: that the error in question is a violation of someone's

477
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: sixth Amendment right to a trial in the state and

478
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: district where the crime occurred, so it could hardly be

479
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: judged harmless. Completely agree you're violating someone's constitutional rights. I mean,

480
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you really are, though, because it's

481
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: still a right to a trial by a jury. I

482
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: doesn't say, like a trial in a certain I mean,

483
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: that's in the way, I guess. Besides, in the place

484
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: where that's the thing is pretty explicit. Both the stuff

485
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: declaring the jurisdiction of Yellowstone and the stuff declaring how

486
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: a trial should be conducted are pretty explicit in the

487
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: in the legal ease. So maybe the best way to

488
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: do this is to look at a chronological example. So

489
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: let's say, um, Matt will pick on you. Let's say

490
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: you commit a crime and Yellowstone. All right, First off,

491
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what crime you committed, but you know,

492
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: since it to you, what crime did you commit? I

493
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: harvested some wild growing poppies and I tried to set

494
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: up a very small heroine. Okay, so possession with intent

495
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: to distribute. Yeah yeah, I mean you know, I didn't

496
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: think anyone would notice. Okay, well, all right, Unfortunately, in

497
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: this thing, so Matt, Matt harvest and attempts to harvest

498
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: poppies and attempts to create drugs from attempts to create heroine.

499
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: I am at now and so and it is unfortunately.

500
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: So let's say he doesn't get away with it, he's apprehended,

501
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: he's caught, They have the stuff, they know he did

502
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: it he is going to trial or and or he's

503
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: going to court. And at this point if he if

504
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: you did not invoke your right to a trial by jury,

505
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: then this loophole would not really matter. I've lawyered up,

506
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: so I think we're going to go to trial. So

507
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: you've lawyered up and you're going to trial. You've invoked

508
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: your six Amendment rights. So here's where the tricky part happens,

509
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: because the next step is that because all of Yellowstone

510
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: is under the federal District of Wyoming, UH, it will

511
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: be that will set the venue for the venue for

512
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: the crime. The venue for the hearing will be in

513
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: that court that court district. But because of visnage, because

514
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: the jury must come from the area where it occurred,

515
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: it has to come from the part of Idaho that

516
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: is inside of yellow Stone where no one lives. So

517
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: the next step is they can't find a jury. They

518
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: can't legally find a jury because you are not just

519
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: promised the trial by jury of your peers. They're also

520
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: they have to be from where the crime was committed.

521
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: So that is the loophole doctor Celts talking about makes sense,

522
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: and it looks like I'm getting off scott free. Sons well, right,

523
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: because like all we have. As an example is this

524
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: Elk case where they basically made a deal with the

525
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: guy to shut him up so he wouldn't invoke this

526
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: weird right, but that right pretty much to be fair,

527
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: so many cases nowadays are just settled and rather than

528
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: going through the lengthy process of having it a huge trial.

529
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it happens so frequently now they

530
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: to surprise me. Well, A big part of being able

531
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: to afford getting sued, if you're like wealthy enough that

532
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: you get sued often or sue others, is to have

533
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: the money just to go through the process. But I

534
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: mean it's you don't automatically just like get you know, reimbursed.

535
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: That you have to like invest time and money into

536
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: the whole thing before you may or may not win.

537
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: And then if you don't win, you're penalized and you're

538
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: also out however much money you put into the case.

539
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: And sometimes judges will have harsher sentences if somebody does

540
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: invoke right to a trial, by you're wasting everyone's time,

541
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: right exactly. Um, And you know, public defenders are legally

542
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: granted to people who cannot afford their own defenders, but

543
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: those poor folks are under water. You know those Yellowstone

544
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: public defenders. Well, I don't know about that. If you're

545
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: Yellowstone public defender, please write to us. Absolutely. But um.

546
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: The Department of Justice raised another more salient point um,

547
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: as cult summarized in his paper quote, splitting Yellowstone into

548
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: the district courts for Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana would also

549
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: split it between the ninth and tenth circuits. Senator Enz

550
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: and others were wary of this because it would create

551
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: a new and unwelcome burden if environmentalists could use this

552
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: foothold to challenge the park services management decisions in the

553
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: liberal and quirky Ninth Circuit. You yeah, you hear about

554
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: the ninth circuit. Actually, wasn't the ninth circuit the one

555
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: that's the suit over the travel ban? Oh? Was it?

556
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: I think? So? Okay, yeah, liberal and quirky, And I

557
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: think opponents of this action cite the fact that a

558
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: lot of their uh, their their cases get um dismissed,

559
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: but that there there's a little more to it than that. Um.

560
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: But it's interesting for them to dis blatantly classify them

561
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: as the liberal and quirky Ninth Circuits, Like the Ninth

562
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: circuit is a sitcom on Central like like a clown car.

563
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of cases of interest. Here, you've

564
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: got Hawaii versus Trump. Two of those, um, state of

565
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 1: Hawaii versus Trump, Uber cases consolidated appeals with Uber. Let's

566
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: see not a lot of other really interesting ones, but

567
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: just it feels a bit strange. So other government officials

568
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: are concerned then that what they see as extreme environmentalist

569
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: or environmentally concerned organizations would use this as an opportunity

570
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: to advance their agendas. Okay, so now there's another problem

571
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: that just swoops in at the last minute to make

572
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: things even more complicated. However, here is the closest thing

573
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: we find to an answer to this question, Um, could

574
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: we fix this? And how how easy or tough is

575
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: it to fix? Uh? Dr Kut believes that there's nothing

576
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: stopping the US from just designating the tenth Circuit as

577
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: the proper venue for all of these cases. Just say

578
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: that's it. When fell swoop happens the Yellowstone Tense circuit, boom, done, dismissed.

579
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a pretty good that's a good answer.

580
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for this season premiere ninth Circuit at eight thirty.

581
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: What's the counter argument though, but that uh the counterargument

582
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: at this point is uh no, the counter arguments this

583
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: is definitely this is thanks for Yeah, yeah, exactly. So

584
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: that is where we are at right now. You want

585
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: to try it before they fix it, should we? Yeah?

586
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to do a violent crime, no no, no, no, no,

587
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: just a blue law or something. I bet there are

588
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: blue laws of one. Such a sweet boy. I thought

589
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: he went from growing heroin poppies to breaking a blue law. Look,

590
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm you're gonna drink a zima on the Sabbath. The

591
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: only reason why I've got the whole poppy thing is

592
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: that it's about money laundering and don't worry about it.

593
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: It's fine. Okay. I do have an update though that

594
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: um you you all may enjoy um. Dr Accollett has

595
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: not just researched this. He is also currently making the

596
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: rounds on another political loophole that recently came up. Can

597
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: we guess? Yeah? I got nothing all right, Uh, it's

598
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: the interesting one. Oh, I know what it is, alright.

599
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: You can can a dog be a mayor. A dog

600
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: can be a mayor in the US. Actually, that's I'm

601
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: so glad you brought that up. We didn't include that. Um,

602
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: there's a town called Cormorant, Minnesota. Wherefore, three three consecutive terms,

603
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: a dog named Duke has been elected mayor. The mayor

604
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: the dog to two times unanimously, I believe, and the

605
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: third his third run. Uh, there was one vote for

606
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, who was named Lassie. The township has one thousand,

607
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: thirty nine people. Just so everybody knows if you if

608
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: you are that many people, you can be ruled by

609
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: a dog. That dog is running it. This dog in

610
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: this photo and looking at its just like lounging on

611
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: a big white sofa with a tiny hat that says mayor. Yep,

612
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: it's a true story. It's a true story. I let's

613
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: get to the loophole. What's the big one? All right?

614
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: Can a federal official pardon that? Was? That was the

615
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: one that was like? That was I was trying to

616
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: come up with gout it, and I was like, there's

617
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: definitely been a loophole in the news lately. What is

618
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: the answer. I'm gonna say, Hell no, I would say

619
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: that too well, but it's still not it's not clear.

620
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: It's never happened. It's not it's never happened, and it's

621
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: not explicitly forbidden. So the in the constitution, right, well,

622
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: like the in any statutes. Yeah, the legally, the president

623
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: or commander in chief has the power to pardon. But

624
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't say, you know, you cannot pardon yourself,

625
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: you cannot pardon certain people for certain crimes or something

626
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: like that. It doesn't even say you can only pardon

627
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: real people. It's completely I mean, that's why every year

628
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: the president pardons of Turkey. Thank ye. So but I

629
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: I heard an argument on NPR is some legal um

630
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: scholar saying that inherently the act of pardoning is meant

631
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: to bestow mercy on another and that like the very

632
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: nature of it is not self reflective or whatever. And

633
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: there's yeah, that's a great point. There's another point there too,

634
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: where a pardon, I'll pardon is acknowledging that a crime occurred.

635
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: A pardon is in some way an acknowledgement of guilt.

636
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Speaker 1: I think so too. But in the same segment, the

637
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: guy was mentioning, I wish you could remember his name. Uh,

638
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: that the pardon itself implies, no, you did nothing wrong,

639
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: even if you did a murder or something. The pardon.

640
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: The act of being pardoned is literally absolving you to

641
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: the point where it like it never happened, So it

642
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: does not necessarily require an admission of guilt. Like you're

643
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: totally right, Ben, But this is something that was like

644
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: this is odd like that is you know, it's literally

645
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: like a godlike power from on high to wipe away

646
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: your sins, you know, like that's it's pretty intense to

647
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: get out of jail free card. So Dr coult Is

648
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: has been making the rounds talking about this, and one

649
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: of the things that he says is, if I were

650
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: a judge hearing the case, I wouldn't let somebody pardon themselves,

651
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: you know. Can I get him on the show? Do

652
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: you think let's see, let's let's reach out to it.

653
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a cool episode? Yeah, So let's see

654
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: because we could we could certainly use his help examining

655
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: the nature of a pardon, you know. Uh, And we'd

656
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: like your help as well, not just with this episode.

657
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: Do let us know what your thoughts are. Do let

658
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: us know if you've been to Yellowstone, if you have

659
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: accidentally found yourself in the zone of death, which you know,

660
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a very peaceful place. You know, I'm

661
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: sure it's not a bunch of people trying to make

662
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: Moonshine stills the locale yellow Stone Zone death. I remember

663
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: that from Perks and Rack, the local cal Zone zone. Hey,

664
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: you guys, guess what what's that? Man? I got Brian's

665
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: contact info right here, So I'm gonna I'm gonna make

666
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: a call. I'm for real serious, definitely now we should

667
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: do that. I was just quiet. I thought you were

668
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: going to do it on air, and I wasna Brian.

669
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, maybe the best way to do

670
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: it is not to prank call him now, all right? So, uh,

671
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: speaking of our listeners, it's time for chat corner. Our

672
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: first shout out today comes from Uh, we'll call you

673
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: christ for Christopher. Is that okay? That's fine in Canada? Uh,

674
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: says hi, guys, old dude in Canada. I like to

675
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: listen to your show. I appreciate that you introduced at

676
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: least some critical analysis to the subjects you cover. However,

677
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: you never really talk about the truly fatal flaw in

678
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: the reasoning behind so many of the topics. Taking a

679
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: task here a little bit and I like it. It's

680
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: all positive bias, and we talk about this for sure,

681
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: but this is this guy really does a good job

682
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: of laying this out the entertaining. Mr Pilates uses similarities

683
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: among events to imply that they are related. That is

684
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: not how science works. Science would try to disprove the

685
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: events are related. If that failed, then maybe you could

686
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: say you're onto something. He suggests the deaths he studies

687
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: are similar as they have quote no known cause of death. Dudes,

688
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: think about that logic for a few minutes. I don't

689
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: know if Mr Polarates books offer any real statistical analysis

690
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: of his claims. However, everything he said on your podcast

691
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: sounded like patterns based on positive bias and post hawk reasoning.

692
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: If you draw the target after you shoot the arrow,

693
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: you'll hit the bull's eye every time. Cheers Chris Well. Chris,

694
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the idea. I've heard the painting the

695
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: target analogy or comparison before, and I think it's a

696
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: very powerful one and it's meaningful. We talked about that

697
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: a little bit on them in that kind of a

698
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: little postmortem at the end we recorded later. H this

699
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: was a big issue you had. Even before we did

700
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: the interview. You were talking about how it felt like

701
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: a very well researched collection of cases with only kind

702
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: of tangential connections and and I don't know right well

703
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: the thing is in that regard, especially UM, David Pelates

704
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: is very very clear that he is looking for he

705
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: says it, I believe in the interview that he is

706
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: looking for cases that have the following criteria right on,

707
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: and by his own admission, not every disappearance is going

708
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: to match this case. So I really appreciate your letter, Chris,

709
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: and I hope that everybody else um can hold that

710
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: in We should all hold this in our minds. The

711
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: idea of painting the target after after slinging the arrow,

712
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: come up within an hypothesis first and then test it, right,

713
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: isn't that just basic confirmation biased too, where you kind

714
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: of like expect the result and then see it everywhere

715
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, Like it's like the old Louis c.

716
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: K joke where he says, you know, if you don't

717
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: like somebody, if you if you think they're a jerk,

718
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: and you you just already decided that, then everything they

719
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: do is just going to be further evidence to you

720
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: that they're a jerk. You'll be like, look, at this

721
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: monster chewing what is that spearmint? Gum? I knew it.

722
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: You can easily test that one out by just observing

723
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: someone in a vehicle while you're driving, somebody else that

724
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: you happen to be next to for a while. If

725
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: you if you are if you believe they're a jerk

726
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: for some reason or another because of maybe the car

727
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: they drive or the way they look, you're gonna see that.

728
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: But if you're just like, it's just another person driving

729
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: what's that car, Ben that that haunts you? Honda Hodyssey?

730
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: So like Bency's a guy driving a Honda Odyssey, he

731
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: immediately knows this man is a piece of human garbage.

732
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Could be a lovely man, family man, but you know

733
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: exactly getting I yeah, I do have a you can

734
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: hear about that on our car show. I have a longstanding,

735
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: unfortunate and uh entirely not my fault, antagonistic relationship with

736
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: Honda Odyssey's putting aside any of my personal complications some vehicles.

737
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: I do think that, Chris, I think your point remains,

738
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: so we appreciate you taking the time to write in.

739
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: I gotta bring up Porsche SUVs two. I mean, come on,

740
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: what about him, I don't have a Porsche drive a Porschet.

741
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just how I feel. I think so do.

742
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: It's it's absurd to me, but anyway, it's true. I

743
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: mean also, I'm of of the mind after after years

744
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: of various auto related adventures and misadventures, I'm in the

745
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: mind that you know. Ultimately it's it's your money. It's true.

746
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: If you want to get a car that I think

747
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: is a pos, then that's your very expensive, bad decision.

748
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: It's my right just as equally to judge the crap

749
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: out of you. That's true. Yes, all right. Freedom of

750
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: speeches not mean freedom from consequence. Who's next? Our next

751
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: message comes from Mr A. That's what we're calling him.

752
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: It's an alias. Let's get in thought here, he writes,

753
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: Mr A. Let me tell you I love your podcast,

754
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: a very video series. That being said, your episode, the

755
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: panel gland a third eye struck close to them with me.

756
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: I recently tried d m T and I know it's illegal,

757
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: but don't tell on me, Okay, we won't. My input

758
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: on your episode would be that I've experienced a very

759
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: similar vision on a higher power that people who have

760
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: done d MT say they've seen, and I'm one of

761
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: those that need to see to believe types and I

762
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: can without a doubt say that either d m T

763
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: is one hell of a drug or that it does

764
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: really show us something beyond our normal comprehension. One final thing.

765
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: I know you most likely won't read this on air. Oops,

766
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: you give us too much credits, So I'm adding one

767
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: final thing. A close friend of mine introduced me to

768
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: the Bohemian Grove and it has compelled us for years,

769
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: so much so that we're planning on investigating what goes

770
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: on there on a deeper level than what has already

771
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: been seen. We already have a plan to get us

772
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: in and hopefully we can send info to you guys,

773
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: and maybe you guys get the word out. Well, remember

774
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: that article and I was vice or something where somebody

775
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: worked as a cook or a waiter, like serving. It

776
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: was about milkshakes. It was something like Dick Cheney's like

777
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: to drink milkshakes or something. But forever people that don't

778
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: know about him and grow is like a weird elitist

779
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: social summer camp in northern California, right, And you know

780
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: it's said to be a place where big deals happened

781
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, hob nobbery with the super

782
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: super rich influencers, multi millionaires and entrepreneurs, politicians the highest order,

783
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: and they're basically just I guess, getting faded and drinking

784
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: milkshakes and urinating in public. There's the one thing that

785
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: is the most controversial about it is a ceremony they

786
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: have called the Cremation of Care, wherein they sacrifice or

787
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: they burn a mock effigy in front of this huge

788
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: owl statue. Did we talk about the House of Cars

789
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: this season already? Did you guys watch that spoiler? Everyone? Okay,

790
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: so there's a scene that is essentially Bohemian Grove where

791
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: he visits that episode, they change the symbology just enough.

792
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: But if you know what Bohemian Grove is, and you

793
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: know the owl and all the did they change the

794
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: animals like a momo set, you know the what's the

795
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: what's the saying about the spiders, weaving spiders, what tangled webs?

796
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: We believe when first we practice tugency, but it's but

797
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: it's something on a plaque that says weaving spiders not

798
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: here or something like oh yeah, oh the that's the

799
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: real um, that's the real quotation, but they use one

800
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: that's very very similar in the show. Okay, well, thank

801
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: you for writing to us. Mr A. Well, we sure

802
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and we are we have a severe no

803
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: snitching policy, so we're not going to tell on you.

804
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: I think that's what Mr Avery for the d M

805
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: T or the infiltration of Bohemian But for sure, send

806
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: us anything and everything body cam please dude, send us

807
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: a drive and be and be safe. You know, the

808
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: best thing is like they can kick you off of

809
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: the property, but as long as you are not violating

810
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: a law, you should be okay, and invest in those

811
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: pin cameras that you can get there, the little button cameras,

812
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: you'll be good to go. And if they if they

813
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: do catch you and they begin to kick you off,

814
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: first off, bring a phone you don't mind using, and

815
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: please go live on Facebook or something. And if a

816
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: bunch of men in black robes scoop you up in

817
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and take you to a

818
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: room and tie you to a chair night night, we'll

819
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: just remember us and um, yeah, we'll be thinking about

820
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: you and none of this constitute's actual advice. That's right

821
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: as you will. But yeah, i'd love to I'd love

822
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: to hear what happens, and safe travels and best of luck.

823
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: Our final shout out today comes from someone who says

824
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: name withheld for fairly obvious reasons, so you know this

825
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: will be an interest in work. I'm a big fan

826
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: of your show and I've been listening for about a year,

827
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: including a dive into your back catalog. Has been fascinated

828
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: by conspiracy theories, even if I don't buy into many

829
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: of them. At the end of the day, Mulder was

830
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: my hero as a kid, and that's part of why

831
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: I joined the government as a one eight one one,

832
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: otherwise known as a special agent. I had one thing

833
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to pass along. Finding an unconventional answer for

834
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: un or under explained events is a lot of the

835
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: fun in the conspiracy thing. But as someone within the government,

836
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: I found the biggest mistake you can make is to

837
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: treat the government quote unquote as a monolith. It's more

838
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: like an ecosystem. It hardly ever acts with one mind

839
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: and one purpose. So government cover ups are not impossible,

840
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: and they do happen. But the bigger the thing a

841
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: government entity tries to cover up, the more government employees

842
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: you have to involve. I guess what I'm just trying

843
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: to say is it would be hard, as Held to

844
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: fake the moon landing at three pm on a Friday.

845
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: I'll drop you guys a line if I can ever

846
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: find that n ess a intern Um. That's awesome, that's

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Speaker 1: said it before both in our live shows and on

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Speaker 1: we couldn't agree more uh name Withheld for fairly obvious reasons.

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Speaker 1: We we also we also believe that history has shown

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Speaker 1: us that a lot of nefarious events, especially when perpetrated

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Speaker 1: by governments, tend to be perpetrated by circles within governments

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Speaker 1: or factions groups. You know, Like, it's not it's not

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Speaker 1: everybody in UM, the CIA, or the FBI conspiring to

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Speaker 1: do a thing. It might just be like, two guys,

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Speaker 1: it's not a whole police department. It might just be

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Speaker 1: time eighteen eleven special agent is nice. Wow, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if more than a past that is a generalization

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Speaker 1: and this is looking at Central Intelligence Agency. We're talking

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Speaker 1: I know this agent enough well enough to talk to

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Speaker 1: about their salary. Hey, hey, no worries, We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: talking about yourself. I just wanted to see, well, hey, Matt,

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Speaker 1: don't get his black bagged man, don't black pag us. Dude,

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Speaker 1: I've got some cool again. This ends ours. We hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode. Although it is true that this

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Speaker 1: legal loophole is real, it looks as if your odds

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Speaker 1: crime are are low because again, the crime rate for

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Speaker 1: this area is is probably statistically zero. However, disappearing in Yellowstone,

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Speaker 1: as we found out from an episode not long ago,

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Speaker 1: it happens not frequently but enough. Yeah, it does happen

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Speaker 1: every year. We can say that. So please write to

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