WEBVTT - #thisleague UNCUT: Post-game show meets Coaching Carousel

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to this League Uncut in the rule of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hour NBA News.

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<v Speaker 2>This's you, Chris Hans.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time, work's time, it's some time. This League Uncut

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<v Speaker 1>is underway and on fire. This should be a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone, Welcome to another edition of This League Uncut. Mark

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<v Speaker 3>Stein here with Chris Haynes. In the second half of

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<v Speaker 3>this show, we will naturally take a detailed look at

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<v Speaker 3>the headline news out of Milwaukee Thursday, the Bucks announcing

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<v Speaker 3>that they have parted ways with championship winning coach Mike Budenholzer.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're gonna start with the playoffs. It's not often

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<v Speaker 3>again that we get the chance to come on or

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<v Speaker 3>the chance to record. Right after the final buzzer, we

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<v Speaker 3>made the decision we're recording this on Thursday night for

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<v Speaker 3>a Friday morning release, and we made the decision, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we gotta we got to wait and let this Lakers

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<v Speaker 3>Warriors Game two play out and then record. And so,

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately we were not treated to a classic like Game one.

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<v Speaker 3>We were basically treated to the rerun of what happened

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<v Speaker 3>in the Boston Philly series. Just a game to route snooze.

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<v Speaker 3>Not happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we could, we could have actually start a recording

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<v Speaker 2>a halftime.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we could have when we tried to do the

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<v Speaker 3>responsible thing. It's funny though, one of my mentors, the

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<v Speaker 3>great Tommy Bank from the La Times before that the

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<v Speaker 3>Houston Post. He is actually basketball historians will remember that

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<v Speaker 3>it was Tommy Bank in the Houston Post who christened

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<v Speaker 3>the famed University of Houston team starring a Chem Olijuan

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<v Speaker 3>and Clyde Drexler. He's the one who came up with

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<v Speaker 3>five Slama jama and many years later, when we were

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<v Speaker 3>both covering tennis, believe it or not, he taught me

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<v Speaker 3>some famed sports writer psychology. If you can't play good,

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<v Speaker 3>play fast to help the guys on deadline. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's kind of what we got tonight. The second

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<v Speaker 3>half just zoom by because it wasn't much of a contest.

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<v Speaker 3>Third quarter, Warriors came out blew the thing open. So

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<v Speaker 3>we got it's it's one one Lakers Warriors, it's one

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<v Speaker 3>to one Nicks heat, it's one to one six or Celtics.

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<v Speaker 3>The only two to zero is Denver going to Phoenix

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<v Speaker 3>now with a two oh lead, and Phoenix no Chris

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<v Speaker 3>Paul in Game three, probably not in game four or

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<v Speaker 3>five either, So the Suns are in huge trouble. But

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how how big of a come doown was

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<v Speaker 3>this for you? Game one you're working sideline, You're right

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<v Speaker 3>in the heart of the action, the chaos, the energy

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<v Speaker 3>that was oozing through the screen tonight, you weren't there.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess actually worked out. You picked, you picked. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a good thing that ESPN had this game, because I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't feel much energy and excitement, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>bouncing off the TV screen tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Stein. I was pumped up for game one, stein Stein,

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<v Speaker 2>But twenty minutes before Tip, my body is just like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just lightweight shaking. I just had so much energy

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<v Speaker 2>in me. Man, It's the Marquee matchup. It's what everybody

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see, man. And I was you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was blessed to be a part of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of that broadcast. Man. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>had so much energy, and I you know, I was prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>It just it's felt good and the excitement, it was

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<v Speaker 2>by far, probably the best atmosphere I've experienced in the

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<v Speaker 2>and this year's playoffs that's far.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can I mean, I think, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>even the people at home could feel it. There was

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<v Speaker 3>there was so much anticipation for that game, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know so much was made about it's Lebron versus staphf.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, a D outshine and everyone in game

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<v Speaker 3>one and then tonight just such a passive performance from

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<v Speaker 3>Ad that's gonna get everybody on his case again. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this is exactly the kind of game that that drives

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<v Speaker 3>people nuts about a D when you know he was

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<v Speaker 3>otherworldly with thirty twenty three what was it five blocks?

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<v Speaker 3>Just I mean, he was the decisive factor in game

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<v Speaker 3>one and tonight passive.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you gotta Stine. I'm gonna tell you, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna tell you Stein. And I've noticed I noticed this

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<v Speaker 2>my first year of covering the Warriors when I was

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<v Speaker 2>at ESPN, so this would have been twenty sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the first time I noticed Draymond guards Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Davis really good. He's He's probably dray Mind is probably

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<v Speaker 2>the toughest defender for a D. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>Ad has ever said that or ever acknowledged that, but

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<v Speaker 2>the years I've seen him, half a decade, seven years

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it's been, Dre has always played Ad tough,

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<v Speaker 2>and you look at Ad not being aggressive today. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that had a lot to do with Draymond. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying Ad can't get his buckets, can't get

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<v Speaker 2>his baskets, but Draymond is always being physical, always pushing

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<v Speaker 2>them out of his comfort zone. You know you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get a bump with Draymond, and sometimes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of players like to avoid just being touched. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would expect Ad to come out much better, much more

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<v Speaker 2>sertive in Game three. But this matchup, that matchup has

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<v Speaker 2>changed the complexion of this series. And it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>like I know, hey, Steve Kurbs catching strays, he was

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<v Speaker 2>catching a lot of strays right before the game. When

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<v Speaker 2>it was announced that Jamichael Green is stepping into the

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<v Speaker 2>starting lineup in place of Kevon Looney, who's been getting

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<v Speaker 2>twenty rebounds, it seems like for this whole month, but

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<v Speaker 2>it worked out. Jamiael Green had a good game, But

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<v Speaker 2>most importantly, Draymond was the primary defender on Anthony Day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that had a lot to do with

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<v Speaker 2>AD's performance a game too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. It's interesting. I was

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<v Speaker 3>talking to I will call him a well placed observer

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<v Speaker 3>like you, very familiar with the dynamics at play here

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<v Speaker 3>when we're talking about Draymond Green historically against Anthony Davis,

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<v Speaker 3>and the way it was described to me was, let

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<v Speaker 3>me make sure I got this exactly right. Draymond has

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<v Speaker 3>always taken that match up personally, and I think you

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<v Speaker 3>could really see it in this game too. Warriors go

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<v Speaker 3>ultra small, and Draymon had just a Draymond game, really

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<v Speaker 3>impactful at the defensive end and at the offensive end,

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<v Speaker 3>the playmaking. You know, again, I am old, And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if you have you ever seen The Fish

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<v Speaker 3>That Save Pittsburgh. Have you seen that movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Never even heard of it?

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<v Speaker 3>You have to find it, you have to watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it is. It is one of to me, the

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<v Speaker 3>five best basketball movies ever. Now, there is a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of nonsense in it, a lot of nonsense. You have

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<v Speaker 3>to suspend some level of belief because it is nonsensical.

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<v Speaker 3>But it came out in the late seventies starring Doctor

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<v Speaker 3>j about a fictional NBA team in Pittsburgh that adopts

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<v Speaker 3>a astrological strategy and only gets players under the sign

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<v Speaker 3>of Pisces and they become this amazing team. But the

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<v Speaker 3>reason it was so great this is the late seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>There's not that much NBA on national TV. And I

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<v Speaker 3>always say, if you like it came out when I

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<v Speaker 3>was around ten at that time. The White Shadow, which

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<v Speaker 3>to me is still probably the greatest television show ever,

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<v Speaker 3>and then The Fish that Save Pittsburgh. Like that, those

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<v Speaker 3>basketball shows were more accessible to me than being able

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<v Speaker 3>to watch national games. Of course I was living in

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<v Speaker 3>southern California at the time, so I could see the Lakers,

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<v Speaker 3>but like watching The White Shadow every day, and then

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<v Speaker 3>the Fish at Save Pittsburgh. Like Doctor J is the

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<v Speaker 3>star of this movie. Incredible dunk the Dunk montage. Just

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<v Speaker 3>look just look up on YouTube the Dunk montage of

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor J and Fish at Save Pittsburgh in nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 3>This was off the charts incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason you're giving you're giving me two assignments.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got no because you've got.

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<v Speaker 2>To watch it, but you give me.

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<v Speaker 3>To you haven't seen the White Shadow either.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen the White Shadow as well. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of the White Shadow.

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<v Speaker 3>O my Chris Haynes, this is like I'll do. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a dagger Okay, The White Shadow is the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>show in television history if you're a basketball fan. Ken Reeves,

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<v Speaker 3>fictional former Chicago Bull goes to coach, suffers a career

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<v Speaker 3>ending knee injury and goes to coach the legendary Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't legendary until he got there. The Carver High

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<v Speaker 3>basketball team in South central LA. Unbelievable. This show was

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<v Speaker 3>ahead of its time. And like I'm telling you, as

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<v Speaker 3>a basketball like at ten, this this was the basketball

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<v Speaker 3>that I got to see more than NBA games. But

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<v Speaker 3>the reason I got on this whole tangent was in this.

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<v Speaker 3>In The Fish at Save Pittsburgh, Metal Arc Lemon, Globe

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<v Speaker 3>Trotter's legend plays this playmaking center who was a reverend

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<v Speaker 3>and just all and like when Draymond is like playing,

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<v Speaker 3>he's playing small ball center and making all these plays.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it reminds me. But it reminds me of

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<v Speaker 3>Meta Lark Lemon just just running the show offensively like

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<v Speaker 3>he did in The Fish That Save Pittsburgh. We saw

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<v Speaker 3>some of that out of Draymond too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, look, look, please, hey people, please tweet. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're on Twitter, you can send an email find us

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<v Speaker 2>find our email address, or even on Instagram, send a

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<v Speaker 2>comment remark, have y'all ever heard of these two movies? Please?

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<v Speaker 2>He's called these movies the best basketball It's in my

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<v Speaker 2>top five.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Fish that Save Pittsburgh is not the best basketball

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<v Speaker 3>movie of all time, but it's it's in my top five.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know who agrees with me. At your next

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<v Speaker 3>TNT staff meeting, do me a favor, or the next time,

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<v Speaker 3>the next time you do a hit for Inside the NBA,

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<v Speaker 3>holler at Shack and ask Shack. Hey, Shaq Stein keeps

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<v Speaker 3>telling me about this movie, The Fish That Save Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 3>Shaq will tell you that movie helped change his life.

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<v Speaker 3>Because just just if you don't watch the movie, which

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<v Speaker 3>is I understand you might not want to go back

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<v Speaker 3>and watch a movie from nineteen seventy nine that, like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, has a lot of it has a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of it has a lot of stupid stuff in it too.

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<v Speaker 3>But just go on YouTube and dial up the Doctor J.

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<v Speaker 3>Dunk montage from The Fish That Save Pittsburgh and think

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<v Speaker 3>about this isn't twenty twenty three, this is nineteen seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 3>So this is like mind blowing stuff for a ten

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<v Speaker 3>year old kid to watch Us and The White Shadow best.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe people are gonna argue with me about is it

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<v Speaker 3>the best TV show of all time? Best TV show theme?

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<v Speaker 3>I will put the opening music of The White Shadow

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<v Speaker 3>up against any TV show ever. And yes, I want.

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<v Speaker 3>I I look. I know our younger, our younger, our

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<v Speaker 3>younger listeners are gonna think I have lost my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>But there are gonna be some. There are gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>some older listeners who are like, yeah, Stein, you are,

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<v Speaker 3>tell Tell them about the White Shadow. Tell him about

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<v Speaker 3>the fish that save Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's a movie called He Got Game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, Yes, I've heard chips. Yeah, Blue Love Blue

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<v Speaker 3>Chips is in my top five too.

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<v Speaker 2>Coach Carter.

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<v Speaker 3>Coach Carter didn't make it. White white men, white men

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<v Speaker 3>can't jump is number one. Here. Let me call up.

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<v Speaker 3>I did this for the I'm gonna try to find

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<v Speaker 3>it while we're looking. I did my top five for

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<v Speaker 3>the New York Times about five years ago, and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, while we're talking about the reason I got on

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<v Speaker 3>that whole tangent.

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<v Speaker 2>But but you went all, yeah, I get, I get

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<v Speaker 2>while you went on that tangent, you went all the

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<v Speaker 2>way to the seventies because the seventies movie reminded you

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<v Speaker 2>of Draymond Green Tramon's.

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<v Speaker 3>Raymond's playmaking as a small Ball five was Meadow Lark

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<v Speaker 3>Lemon esque.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, it was. I actually met Medal Lark a

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<v Speaker 2>few years before. You know, man, pretty it was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>soon after before he passed, came to Portland. He was

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. He did a last stint with the Globetrotters.

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<v Speaker 2>That was cool. That was cool. So that that that

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<v Speaker 2>legend right there. I do know all these other individuals

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned mentioning I have to do, like.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, just you know what, and like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't. You're a busy man. Maybe you don't have time.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you don't have time to watch the whole movie,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you don't have time to watch a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of one hour episodes, just go on YouTube and just

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<v Speaker 3>watch the Doctor J. Dunk montage from the Fish at

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<v Speaker 3>Save Pittsburgh and then just watch the intro to any

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<v Speaker 3>episode of The White Shadow. And just if you just

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<v Speaker 3>do that for me, like I will consider that a

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<v Speaker 3>personal favor.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Draymond Stein, I was at Game one. I had

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<v Speaker 2>the assignment and it's it's it's interested in seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>dynamic of Draymond and how he can go at officials

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<v Speaker 2>and just how officials officiate or regulate after they've already

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<v Speaker 2>given him a technical and he knows its poor Ed,

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<v Speaker 2>but lord, poor Ed. Oh boy, I'm right there. Stean

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<v Speaker 2>Ed gives him a tech and dray didn't stop. Matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, it got worse, it got worse. So fans

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand how like it got worse worse. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say this stuff. Dre was saying it got worse,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, and drey didn't get a second tech.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you can just see the dynamic with

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<v Speaker 2>the officials. How you know, Draymond's a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>of what the Warriors do. And it's it's like that

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of players in the league that get

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Luka Donkis gets a lot, picks up a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of texts. I wouldn't put Dylan Brooks on their level,

0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.360
<v Speaker 2>but Dylan Brooks gets a lot of texts. But how

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<v Speaker 2>referees are quick to give that first tech and then

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<v Speaker 2>the players know, the players know the official. The officials

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<v Speaker 2>do not want to be the center of attention by

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<v Speaker 2>ejecting someone who is very crucial to the team and

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<v Speaker 2>to the to the outcome, potentially the outcome of that

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<v Speaker 2>basketball game, and how much more leeway they give them

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<v Speaker 2>after the first tech. It was, it was, it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing, which which leads me to believe, well,

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<v Speaker 2>which leads me to saying I should say is I

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<v Speaker 2>think there needs to be a lot more leeway in

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<v Speaker 2>the first TECH for some people because I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it depends, like you see officials giving players text

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<v Speaker 2>for waving their arms, you know, or they'll make a gesture,

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<v Speaker 2>not a not a finger gesture, make a gesture at

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<v Speaker 2>the hand, like swiping down at the official after a

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<v Speaker 2>call quick t But then right after that the talking

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<v Speaker 2>gets worse, you know, it's get worse after that, and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't get it, you know, they don't get a

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<v Speaker 2>TECH because the rest are scared to call a TECH.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was just, you know, I really enjoyed just

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that dynamic and see how officials call things and

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<v Speaker 2>how they don't call things after a TECH is already whistled.

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<v Speaker 2>Well in interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure the Lakers are kind of gonna come away

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<v Speaker 3>from this furious though, because they went to the line

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<v Speaker 3>a ton in Game one. I think only four free

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<v Speaker 3>throws in the first half Tonight doesn't excuse the second

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<v Speaker 3>half performance. I mean that was just a second half borderline,

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<v Speaker 3>no show. Third quarter Warriors just ran up the score

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<v Speaker 3>on them. We don't normally talk about game two Clay,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was tonight found the three ball. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Davis was so brilliant in Game one, didn't leave

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<v Speaker 3>the floor in the second half. But that naturally led

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<v Speaker 3>to the question, how much did that take out of him?

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<v Speaker 3>I think the good you know, I guess good news

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<v Speaker 3>is probably too strong. The silver lining here for the

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<v Speaker 3>Lakers is, you know, they got blown out. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really tax Lebron and Ad tonight. They're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 3>bounce back with I mean those two. It always it

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<v Speaker 3>obviously starts with those two stat I saw. The Lakers

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<v Speaker 3>have actually won nine straight game threes out of a

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<v Speaker 3>one to one tie. We'll see how much that actually

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<v Speaker 3>means for this.

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<v Speaker 2>You call this arrest. You call this arrest for the Lakers.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean in the second in the fourth quarter, they

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<v Speaker 3>sure did. I mean d Ham basically it was over,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to start the fourth he was he basically

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<v Speaker 3>knew it was over.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the only good news, because yeah, I mean drain,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, ad did not look good tonight. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Draymond is going to take a lot of confidence out

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<v Speaker 3>of this that he's that his tactics are already working.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's he's done it before, he's done it before.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't Draymond tell us on on on on our podcast

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<v Speaker 2>when he came on probably about a month ago. Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>he tell us he wasn't going to be potting during

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, he said, he's not gonna be interviewing.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why, that's why he wasn't going to ask

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<v Speaker 3>us on anytime soon, because you know, that was that

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<v Speaker 3>was the trade. That was the I did not get

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<v Speaker 3>any Executive of the Year votes this year. I got zero,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think I should have because I think I

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<v Speaker 3>made the best trade of the season when I said, Draymond, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>come on our pod and then we'll drop on your

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<v Speaker 3>pod whenever you want, and he said, let's wait till

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<v Speaker 3>after the playoffs for your guys invite because after the

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<v Speaker 3>play in the playoffs, he only does postgame soliloquies. He

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<v Speaker 3>just gets on there and and and it's great. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I love listening to him because he you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how I don't know how the Warriors actually

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<v Speaker 3>feel about it, but he breaks it down in his

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<v Speaker 3>in his candid way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a new day. It's a new day. You

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<v Speaker 2>see the mixed reaction out there. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who like it, who like getting a basketball breakdown

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<v Speaker 2>from somebody who's actually playing in that series the very

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<v Speaker 2>next day or maybe the same night, and it just

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<v Speaker 2>drops the next day. Then you have others who believe, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>he should be locked in twenty four hours. You shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be You shouldn't have time for this. It's just a

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<v Speaker 2>new day at the end of the day, if he's

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<v Speaker 2>still bringing it, and that's all that matters. And definitely

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<v Speaker 2>he brought it for Game two.

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<v Speaker 3>Now since as you know, I'm living vicariously through you

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<v Speaker 3>here for you know where you know, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to any of these games. You're the You're you're repping

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<v Speaker 3>the show on the road here. Are you sticking with

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<v Speaker 3>this series or are you are you diverting elsewhere? What's

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<v Speaker 3>what's your next what's your next TV gig?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sticking through this series through so game three is

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<v Speaker 2>another ESPN game. Game three is Friday. I have Game

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<v Speaker 2>four Monday, and I have Game five Wednesday next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Those putting you on the spot, but you if if

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<v Speaker 3>you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Call, but I am, but I will be. I will

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<v Speaker 2>be at game three. But just just as a report, if.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to decline to answer this, I totally get it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm gonna ask it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't duck, no small shoot.

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<v Speaker 3>So atmosphere wise to work the sideline, sit courtside. What

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<v Speaker 3>do you like better? Chase Center or the place that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not ready to call its new name, Staples Center.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that's a good question. I'm not ducking

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<v Speaker 2>like Stein. It's equal. Equal, It's equal.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have thought it would have been a Staples layup.

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<v Speaker 2>Well why just because the people?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just look, I mean again, I'm letting

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<v Speaker 3>my personal biases come in. My formative years were spent

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<v Speaker 3>in southern California. I'm a former Lakers beat writer. There's

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<v Speaker 3>just and I feel every time I go back, there

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<v Speaker 3>is just something about being court side at a Laker game,

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<v Speaker 3>like there is there is a court side energy because

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, the people watching is a big part

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<v Speaker 3>of it. But like I just feel it every time

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<v Speaker 3>I come home, and you know, and I've never in

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm just sitting in the you know, the press

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<v Speaker 3>row seats. I mean you, you know as the TNT

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<v Speaker 3>sideline guy, like you have the best press seat there is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I was looking at it from a different angle,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. Question. I was looking at it like like

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<v Speaker 2>which arena allows me to do my job? The belt,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, listen walking around, you know, trying to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to see what I can get from, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>timeout huddles. And I said, San Francisco and La are

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<v Speaker 2>the same because I can walk there. There's an hourway.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a pathway. I can walk to the Lakers side

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<v Speaker 2>and walk straight to the to the opposite side, to

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<v Speaker 2>the Warriors side, the Kings. You haven't you haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>to god, Okay, there is not a pathway, so I

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<v Speaker 2>have to It's a weird setup. So I sit at

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<v Speaker 2>the scorers table. But in order to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>Warriors side, I have to walk up some stairs that's

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<v Speaker 2>behind me. There's about six steps, walk up some stairs

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<v Speaker 2>that are behind me, and I walk towards the Warriors side.

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<v Speaker 2>And then but I have to pass the Warriors bench.

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<v Speaker 2>So I passed the Warriors bench about twenty feet past them,

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<v Speaker 2>walk down, then go to the Warriors. Then I can

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<v Speaker 2>get to the Warriors bench the same. It's the same path.

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<v Speaker 2>If I want to go to the Kings, go right

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<v Speaker 2>back up these stairs, go towards the King's bench, past

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<v Speaker 2>the King's bench about twenty feet, go down the steps,

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<v Speaker 2>then get over to the Kings. So there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a one path hour way from each bench.

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<v Speaker 2>And so those are and so that's what I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that makes it tough, so really so basically

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<v Speaker 2>like for a Kings game or any other arena that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, if I have to go to a

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a timeout, I have to pick one of

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<v Speaker 2>the teams that I'm gonna go. Just like listen in.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, you can't just move, you can't just maneuver

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<v Speaker 3>quickly between them.

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<v Speaker 2>They just maneuver.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, when I the years I did ESPN

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<v Speaker 3>Iseline Radio, that's what I felt about Cleveland. Cleveland, we

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<v Speaker 3>set first of all the you know, and this is

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<v Speaker 3>just extreme whining like that, you know, should never be

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<v Speaker 3>done by by a person in our position, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do it anyway. In Cleveland, we even for the

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<v Speaker 3>sideline reporter. The seat was way off the court and

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<v Speaker 3>it was not It was just not an eat. Like

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<v Speaker 3>to get to the Cavs bench from where you were

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 3>sitting was not was not easy. So I never liked

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<v Speaker 3>doing games in Cleveland. But again, now just letting all

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<v Speaker 3>my selfish, my selfishness and personal biases in. I loved

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<v Speaker 3>Oakland too. I just I loved Oakland so much. And

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<v Speaker 3>though you know, my last three years at ESPN I

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<v Speaker 3>basically lived with the Warriors, I spent so much time

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<v Speaker 3>in Oakland, and I just had I have so many

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 3>fond memories of the Oracle days. And I've only been

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<v Speaker 3>to Chase Center a couple of times, but and it

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<v Speaker 3>just I just do not have the same vibe and

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<v Speaker 3>feeling there.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, we have to segue to from the playoffs to

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<v Speaker 3>less pleasant news. Thunderbolt earlier Thursday in the coaching world,

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<v Speaker 3>expected to some degree, but still a thunderbolt because this

0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:01.160
<v Speaker 3>man won a championship in Milwaukee. Mike buden Holzer out

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 3>of a job. The Bucks announced Thursday that they are

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<v Speaker 3>making the coaching change that many have expected since Milwaukee's

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:16.520
<v Speaker 3>stunning first round elimination, losing in five to the eighth

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 3>seeded Miami Heat. I don't think there was any way

0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 3>the Bucks weren't gonna end up going down this road, because, look,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a new collective bargaining agreement coming into the league.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been talking about this a lot. All these teams

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<v Speaker 3>that have multiple stars, it's gonna be really hard in

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<v Speaker 3>the new NBA to add to your team if you've

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<v Speaker 3>got high salary players, and the Bucks have three of them.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bucks obviously revolve around Giannis, but they still have

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:55.240
<v Speaker 3>Drew Holliday. Chris Middleton has a forty million dollar player

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<v Speaker 3>option that even if he declines, he's gonna want a

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<v Speaker 3>long term lucrat deal to stay. Brook Lopez is up

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<v Speaker 3>for a new deal. It's going to be really hard

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<v Speaker 3>for the Bucks to dramatically change their Team's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be challenging for the Bucks just to keep what they have,

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<v Speaker 3>So the only way for them to make a drastic change,

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<v Speaker 3>the only sure way for them to make a drastic

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<v Speaker 3>change is to make a coaching change, and that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing here. Mike Budenholzer there for five years, and

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 3>to me, it's not dissimilar to what we saw in

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Toronto that Nick Nurse. For as good of a coach

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 3>as he is, there's been rumblings for a while now

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 3>about discontent and clearly the Raptors want a new voice,

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.399
<v Speaker 3>and I think the Bucks players, I don't know if

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 3>they'll ever put it like this publicly, but I think

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 3>within that locker room they wanted a new voice also,

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 3>and so the Bucks are going that route to find

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 3>that new voice because again, it is the easiest way

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 3>to dramatically change this team before next season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's not surprising, you know, it was. It

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>was kind of a red flag thrown up when when

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 2>it was announced that the Bucks were not going to

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>have whole exit and reviews. Some teams do that anyways,

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:21.400
<v Speaker 2>but that that was kind of a sign right there, Okay,

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.360
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be a change pretty soon, Like that's what's

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 2>going to happen. So you know, it's not surprising. I mean, again,

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Boot and Holzers knock and there's this was a knock

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>that's been in place since his days with the Atlanta Hawks.

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 2>In game adjustments has always been a knock of a

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.959
<v Speaker 2>knock of his and he's a phenomenal coach, still one

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 2>of the best coaches we have in the association. Good guy.

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>My prayers go out to him and the family. You know,

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 2>they they lost the brother doing He lost his brother

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>during that that first round series with the heat, So

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 2>he was going through a lot. But there were a

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>few times during his tenure in Milwaukee where he was

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:12.120
<v Speaker 2>close to getting let go. It took that finals run

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>them getting that championship that gave him some a little

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 2>bit more staying power. But when you have Giannis ante

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<v Speaker 2>Compo with the new CBA coming on them, that's going

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to be that's going to be a little bit more tight,

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 2>won't have that much flexibility to to produce these rosters

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of teams call super teams. Mawukee is

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 2>trying to do everything they can to maximize Gianni's prime

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 2>and they feel like this was decision that had to

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<v Speaker 2>be made. Now the next decision is who do you

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>get to replace them? Who out there that you consider

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 2>an upgrade? Automatically some names that will pop up, Nick

0:27:55.800 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Nurse for sure, Frank Vogel out there, are they upgrades?

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know? Stein. I saw a stat out there

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 2>that the last four three of the last four coaches

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>to win a championship have been let go.

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 3>It actually goes actually goes back farther since goes back

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 3>since twenty fifteen, since the Warriors first of four championships,

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 3>the only coach still in his job is Steve Kerr

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 3>still in that job. Tylu obviously won the title in

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 3>twenty sixteen. He coaches the Clippers now, but he was

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 3>ultimately let go in Cleveland. And now Nick Nurse, the

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen champion, Frank Vogel the twenty twenty champion, and

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:45.239
<v Speaker 3>Mike Budenholzer the twenty twenty one champion, all without the

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>jobs that helped them get those rings. And it just

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of shows you the pressure that these teams are under.

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, I texted you this earlier Thursday, because it's true.

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 3>Like my new favorite NBA list is your guy Dame Lillard.

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Like he is.

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 3>He is, like he's commenting. You know, obviously his season

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 3>ended way earlier than he wanted, but like what it

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 3>means for us is he's constantly commenting on NBA developments

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm trying to dial up this tweet here

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 3>and find it so uh, you know, the news comes

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 3>out that the that the Bucks have fired Budenholzer, and again,

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 3>like you said it, it's not a surprise, but it's

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 3>still you know, it still jolts you because again, the

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 3>guy won a championship two years ago, not that long ago.

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 3>And Dame's tweet. Folks out here firing championship coaches as

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 3>soon as they don't win the chip. And that's like,

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>there are so many teams in the league that just

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 3>feel all in, you know, the all in brigade. And

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 3>that's why this summer, I think the combination of how

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 3>many teams are meeting with disappointment, and you'd have to

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 3>throw the Blazers in there, and the Mavericks in there,

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 3>and the Grizzlies in there with the Bucks and the

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Wizard didn't even make the playing round and Toronto huge disappointment,

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 3>the Bulls disappointment. I mean, there are so many teams

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Minnesota that like fell so much farther short of expectations

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 3>than they envision. There's gonna be changed, there's gonna be

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 3>trades as teams try to address that disappointment and also

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 3>try to cope with this new collective bargaining agreement. That's

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 3>gonna it's just gonna If you've got two stars, okay,

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 3>you can build around them. If you've got three stars,

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be really tough. And and you know, it's

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 3>gonna keep even more pressure on coaches. You know, we've

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 3>always said in the NBA and every sport that the

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 3>coach is the easiest thing to change. But I fear

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 3>for coaches that it's gonna be even more so that

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:49.239
<v Speaker 3>that statement will ring more true or truer, depending on

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 3>what you grammarians prefer. I prefer more true than truer

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 3>for what it's worth. Uh, I think it's I think

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna become a bigger thing for coaches to cope

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 3>with it. Like you again, it's this is the this

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 3>is the easiest move for the Bucks to make. But

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 3>like you said, it like where they go. I mean,

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 3>if you're going to replace Mike Budenholzer, it really comes

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 3>down to one of two paths. For me, do you

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 3>do you bring in a Nick Nurse or a Frank Vogel,

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>the two clear cut proven championship coaches out there, or

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Charles Lee, who's been a candidate for so many jobs

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 3>here in recent years Bucks assistant. He's a finalist right

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 3>now for Detroit. On Thursday night, I reported that he

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 3>was just with the Raptors interviewing for the Raptors vacancy.

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, Charles Lee has been one of the most

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 3>in demand assistants. Do you just give the job to

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.719
<v Speaker 3>him and give him a chance to coach this team?

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I would like to see that. I would like to

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>see that. I'm not discounting that at all. Do you

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>just have to for all the knocks on Bootonholzer, all

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>the negative negatives, he was a phenomenal coach, and he

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 2>is a phenomenal coach, I should say, but you have

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 2>to produce an upgrade. And if that upgrade you believe

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 2>is lead And they would know more than we would

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 2>anybody exactly. They're around him. They know how he they

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 2>know how he prepares, they know how he's able to communicate.

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>That's them. But they got to get it right. They

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 2>gotta get it Like, if you're going to make this movie,

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>you already should have somebody in mind, or have a

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>few individuals in mind that you feel like are for

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>sure upgrades. And John Horse over there, I know him well.

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 2>The general manager over there with the Bucks. It's a

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>smart dude. Obviously. This is again Stan, we know this

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 2>is something that they've been contemplating doing over the last

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>four years. It was like we hear it might go down,

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.959
<v Speaker 2>then the Buck's going to run with the top, you know.

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 2>So this is not something that you know, just happened,

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, out the whim. So know, we'll see how

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 2>this plays out.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 3>And look, I think you nailed it when you said,

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, the season ended. No, no Bucks players made available. No,

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 3>we have not yet heard from John Horst as a

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, GM giving his end of the season wrap up.

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 3>And just like in Toronto, Mesaiyu Jerry didn't do his

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 3>end of the season press conference until Nick Nurse's fate

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 3>was decided, and the Bucks held off in a similar way.

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 3>And now they've made the move and now you know, Detroit,

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 3>Charles Lee, Jaren Collins, the New Orleans Pelicans assistant, Kevin Ali,

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 3>the former Yukon coach, those three have consistently been named,

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, mentioned and circulated as the finalists for the

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 3>Detroit opening. In Toronto, they're just getting their search started

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 3>and the Raptors have said they want to take a

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.479
<v Speaker 3>long you know, a longer term approached trying to find

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 3>the Nick Nurse replacement. Now, will Budenholzer become a candidate

0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 3>for the Raptors. Budenholzer was very much a candidate when

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 3>they decided to hire Nick to replace Dwayne Casey. And

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 3>then you know, the Bucks with the third opening, what

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 3>will they do? Do they go? You know, with so

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 3>much riding on the future again, you know, we said it,

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Chris Middleton player option, heading for free agency, Brook Lopez

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 3>heading for free agency, Yannis and Tetokumpo extension eligible in

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 3>the fall. Gonna be really tough for the Bucks to

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 3>make any kind of meaningful upgrades around the edges if

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 3>they keep if they re sign Middleton and Brook, I

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 3>mean goodbye flexibility most likely. So can you really hand

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 3>the team over to a first year coach after what

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 3>just happened to them? That's the decision. The Bucks are

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 3>going to have to figure out. If they love Charles

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Lee and they think he's the guy, then do it,

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 3>be bold, go for it. And we're going to see

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 3>if they believe in the guy who's there, or if

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 3>they're going to say, we've got to replace experience with experience.

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 3>And that's really the question, All right, everyone that does

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:10.280
<v Speaker 3>it for another edition of this league, uncut, huge weekend ahead.

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Will Jimmy Butler be back for the Miami Heat in

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Game three as Nix Heat shifts to South Beach? As

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 3>we said, Denver the only two to zero lead. No

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Chris Paul in Game three, probably not in Game four either,

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 3>So the Suns in a really tough spot, a lot

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 3>riding on. Can Cameron Payne step in for Chris Paul

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 3>and they don't have really anything behind Cameron Payne. Now

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 3>at the point, can the Suns dig themselves out of

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 3>this two hole? Warriors Lakers shifts to LA Sixers. Boston

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 3>man Joel Embiid is back game two. All he really

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.240
<v Speaker 3>got was a chance to get back on the court

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 3>and try to get some level of rhythm because that

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 3>second half no show from the Sixers. But you know

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.479
<v Speaker 3>that series, I mean, I think you know the winner

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 3>of that series is supposed to be the favorite to

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 3>win it all from here, So still tons riding on

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 3>all these games. We will be back with you in

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 3>just a couple of days to make sense of where

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<v Speaker 3>we are. Chris Haynes enjoy that Staples.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on Stein, I have I have announcemental. No announcement, Okay,

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I have announcement real quick. So I'm sorry listeners to

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.720
<v Speaker 2>inform you that I have to continue my streak of

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>admitting a story that I said through this podcast producer

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Doctor Ryan, We're going to have to delete my story.

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 2>I gave it to about twenty nineteen. Wife said leave

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<v Speaker 2>it alone, and.

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<v Speaker 3>And well, well, wife says, goes. I need to have

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<v Speaker 3>like I need to have.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, one day I'm gonna be able to say

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<v Speaker 2>my story and let it go, let it just hit

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<v Speaker 2>and live with the consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I need to have like a little button

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<v Speaker 3>that I can press to like alert her. We're heading

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 3>into some dangerous territory here. I need some help.

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<v Speaker 2>We go. We gotta we gonna call it a day.

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta come up with a day one day, our listens,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll promise you I'll be able to get a story

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 2>out and you'll be able to hear it. I'll promise you,

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>just not today.

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<v Speaker 3>You are something else, one of a kind. Chris Hanes America.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, that really does it now for this edition

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<v Speaker 3>of I guess we have to call it this league

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<v Speaker 3>with a very rare small unavoidable Cut. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 3>soon with the fully unbridled This League Uncut just a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of days, just wait for us. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 3>with more soon.

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<v Speaker 1>And that'll do it for us. See you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>This League Uncut is an iHeartRadio production Chris Haynes and

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Stein.