1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to this League Uncut in the rule of twenty 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: four hour NBA News. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: This's you, Chris Hans. 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: It's time, work's time, it's some time. This League Uncut 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: is underway and on fire. This should be a good one. 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: Everyone, Welcome to another edition of This League Uncut. Mark 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: Stein here with Chris Haynes. In the second half of 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 3: this show, we will naturally take a detailed look at 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: the headline news out of Milwaukee Thursday, the Bucks announcing 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: that they have parted ways with championship winning coach Mike Budenholzer. 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: But we're gonna start with the playoffs. It's not often 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: again that we get the chance to come on or 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: the chance to record. Right after the final buzzer, we 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: made the decision we're recording this on Thursday night for 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: a Friday morning release, and we made the decision, Hey, 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: we gotta we got to wait and let this Lakers 17 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 3: Warriors Game two play out and then record. And so, 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: unfortunately we were not treated to a classic like Game one. 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: We were basically treated to the rerun of what happened 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: in the Boston Philly series. Just a game to route snooze. 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: Not happy. 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we could, we could have actually start a recording 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: a halftime. 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, we could have when we tried to do the 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: responsible thing. It's funny though, one of my mentors, the 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: great Tommy Bank from the La Times before that the 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: Houston Post. He is actually basketball historians will remember that 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: it was Tommy Bank in the Houston Post who christened 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: the famed University of Houston team starring a Chem Olijuan 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: and Clyde Drexler. He's the one who came up with 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: five Slama jama and many years later, when we were 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: both covering tennis, believe it or not, he taught me 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: some famed sports writer psychology. If you can't play good, 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: play fast to help the guys on deadline. And I 35 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: think that's kind of what we got tonight. The second 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: half just zoom by because it wasn't much of a contest. 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: Third quarter, Warriors came out blew the thing open. So 38 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: we got it's it's one one Lakers Warriors, it's one 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: to one Nicks heat, it's one to one six or Celtics. 40 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: The only two to zero is Denver going to Phoenix 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: now with a two oh lead, and Phoenix no Chris 42 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 3: Paul in Game three, probably not in game four or 43 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: five either, So the Suns are in huge trouble. But 44 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: I mean, how how big of a come doown was 45 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 3: this for you? Game one you're working sideline, You're right 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: in the heart of the action, the chaos, the energy 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: that was oozing through the screen tonight, you weren't there. 48 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: I guess actually worked out. You picked, you picked. It's 49 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: a good thing that ESPN had this game, because I didn't. 50 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: I didn't feel much energy and excitement, uh, you know, 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: bouncing off the TV screen tonight. 52 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: Stein. I was pumped up for game one, stein Stein, 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: But twenty minutes before Tip, my body is just like 54 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: I'm just lightweight shaking. I just had so much energy 55 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: in me. Man, It's the Marquee matchup. It's what everybody 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: wanted to see, man. And I was you know, I 57 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: was blessed to be a part of it, you know, 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: be a part of that broadcast. Man. So I just 59 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: had so much energy, and I you know, I was prepared. 60 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: It just it's felt good and the excitement, it was 61 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: by far, probably the best atmosphere I've experienced in the 62 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: and this year's playoffs that's far. 63 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: So you can I mean, I think, like I said, 64 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: even the people at home could feel it. There was 65 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: there was so much anticipation for that game, and you 66 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: know so much was made about it's Lebron versus staphf. 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: But you know, a D outshine and everyone in game 68 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: one and then tonight just such a passive performance from 69 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 3: Ad that's gonna get everybody on his case again. Now, 70 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: this is exactly the kind of game that that drives 71 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: people nuts about a D when you know he was 72 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: otherworldly with thirty twenty three what was it five blocks? 73 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: Just I mean, he was the decisive factor in game 74 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: one and tonight passive. 75 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: I think you gotta Stine. I'm gonna tell you, I'm 76 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: gonna tell you Stein. And I've noticed I noticed this 77 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: my first year of covering the Warriors when I was 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: at ESPN, so this would have been twenty sixteen, and 79 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: this is the first time I noticed Draymond guards Anthony 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: Davis really good. He's He's probably dray Mind is probably 81 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: the toughest defender for a D. I don't know if 82 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: Ad has ever said that or ever acknowledged that, but 83 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: the years I've seen him, half a decade, seven years 84 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 2: or whatever it's been, Dre has always played Ad tough, 85 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: and you look at Ad not being aggressive today. I 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: think that had a lot to do with Draymond. And 87 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: I'm not saying Ad can't get his buckets, can't get 88 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: his baskets, but Draymond is always being physical, always pushing 89 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: them out of his comfort zone. You know you're going 90 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: to get a bump with Draymond, and sometimes a lot 91 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: of players like to avoid just being touched. And I 92 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: would expect Ad to come out much better, much more 93 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: sertive in Game three. But this matchup, that matchup has 94 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: changed the complexion of this series. And it's not necessarily 95 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: like I know, hey, Steve Kurbs catching strays, he was 96 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: catching a lot of strays right before the game. When 97 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: it was announced that Jamichael Green is stepping into the 98 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: starting lineup in place of Kevon Looney, who's been getting 99 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: twenty rebounds, it seems like for this whole month, but 100 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: it worked out. Jamiael Green had a good game, But 101 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: most importantly, Draymond was the primary defender on Anthony Day, 102 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: and I think that had a lot to do with 103 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 2: AD's performance a game too. 104 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. It's interesting. I was 105 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: talking to I will call him a well placed observer 106 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: like you, very familiar with the dynamics at play here 107 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: when we're talking about Draymond Green historically against Anthony Davis, 108 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: and the way it was described to me was, let 109 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: me make sure I got this exactly right. Draymond has 110 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: always taken that match up personally, and I think you 111 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: could really see it in this game too. Warriors go 112 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: ultra small, and Draymon had just a Draymond game, really 113 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: impactful at the defensive end and at the offensive end, 114 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: the playmaking. You know, again, I am old, And I 115 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 3: don't know if you have you ever seen The Fish 116 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: That Save Pittsburgh. Have you seen that movie? 117 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: Never even heard of it? 118 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: You have to find it, you have to watch it. 119 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: Is it is. It is one of to me, the 120 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: five best basketball movies ever. Now, there is a lot 121 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: of nonsense in it, a lot of nonsense. You have 122 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: to suspend some level of belief because it is nonsensical. 123 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: But it came out in the late seventies starring Doctor 124 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: j about a fictional NBA team in Pittsburgh that adopts 125 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: a astrological strategy and only gets players under the sign 126 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: of Pisces and they become this amazing team. But the 127 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: reason it was so great this is the late seventies. 128 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: There's not that much NBA on national TV. And I 129 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: always say, if you like it came out when I 130 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: was around ten at that time. The White Shadow, which 131 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: to me is still probably the greatest television show ever, 132 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 3: and then The Fish that Save Pittsburgh. Like that, those 133 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: basketball shows were more accessible to me than being able 134 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: to watch national games. Of course I was living in 135 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: southern California at the time, so I could see the Lakers, 136 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: but like watching The White Shadow every day, and then 137 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: the Fish at Save Pittsburgh. Like Doctor J is the 138 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: star of this movie. Incredible dunk the Dunk montage. Just 139 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: look just look up on YouTube the Dunk montage of 140 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: Doctor J and Fish at Save Pittsburgh in nineteen seventy nine. 141 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: This was off the charts incredible. 142 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: But the reason you're giving you're giving me two assignments. 143 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: You've got no because you've got. 144 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: To watch it, but you give me. 145 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: To you haven't seen the White Shadow either. 146 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: I haven't seen the White Shadow as well. I've never 147 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: never heard of the White Shadow. 148 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: O my Chris Haynes, this is like I'll do. This 149 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: is a dagger Okay, The White Shadow is the greatest 150 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: show in television history if you're a basketball fan. Ken Reeves, 151 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: fictional former Chicago Bull goes to coach, suffers a career 152 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: ending knee injury and goes to coach the legendary Well, 153 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 3: it wasn't legendary until he got there. The Carver High 154 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: basketball team in South central LA. Unbelievable. This show was 155 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 3: ahead of its time. And like I'm telling you, as 156 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: a basketball like at ten, this this was the basketball 157 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: that I got to see more than NBA games. But 158 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 3: the reason I got on this whole tangent was in this. 159 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: In The Fish at Save Pittsburgh, Metal Arc Lemon, Globe 160 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: Trotter's legend plays this playmaking center who was a reverend 161 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: and just all and like when Draymond is like playing, 162 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: he's playing small ball center and making all these plays. 163 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: That's what it reminds me. But it reminds me of 164 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: Meta Lark Lemon just just running the show offensively like 165 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 3: he did in The Fish That Save Pittsburgh. We saw 166 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: some of that out of Draymond too. 167 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, look, look, please, hey people, please tweet. If 168 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: you're on Twitter, you can send an email find us 169 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: find our email address, or even on Instagram, send a 170 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: comment remark, have y'all ever heard of these two movies? Please? 171 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: He's called these movies the best basketball It's in my 172 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: top five. 173 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: Not Fish that Save Pittsburgh is not the best basketball 174 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: movie of all time, but it's it's in my top five. 175 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: And you know who agrees with me. At your next 176 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: TNT staff meeting, do me a favor, or the next time, 177 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: the next time you do a hit for Inside the NBA, 178 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: holler at Shack and ask Shack. Hey, Shaq Stein keeps 179 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: telling me about this movie, The Fish That Save Pittsburgh. 180 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: Shaq will tell you that movie helped change his life. 181 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: Because just just if you don't watch the movie, which 182 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: is I understand you might not want to go back 183 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: and watch a movie from nineteen seventy nine that, like 184 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 3: I said, has a lot of it has a lot 185 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: of it has a lot of stupid stuff in it too. 186 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: But just go on YouTube and dial up the Doctor J. 187 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: Dunk montage from The Fish That Save Pittsburgh and think 188 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: about this isn't twenty twenty three, this is nineteen seventy nine, 189 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: So this is like mind blowing stuff for a ten 190 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 3: year old kid to watch Us and The White Shadow best. 191 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: Maybe people are gonna argue with me about is it 192 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: the best TV show of all time? Best TV show theme? 193 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 3: I will put the opening music of The White Shadow 194 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: up against any TV show ever. And yes, I want. 195 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 3: I I look. I know our younger, our younger, our 196 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 3: younger listeners are gonna think I have lost my mind. 197 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: But there are gonna be some. There are gonna be 198 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: some older listeners who are like, yeah, Stein, you are, 199 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: tell Tell them about the White Shadow. Tell him about 200 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: the fish that save Pittsburgh. 201 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: You know it's a movie called He Got Game. 202 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Yes, I've heard chips. Yeah, Blue Love Blue 203 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: Chips is in my top five too. 204 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: Coach Carter. 205 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: Coach Carter didn't make it. White white men, white men 206 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: can't jump is number one. Here. Let me call up. 207 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: I did this for the I'm gonna try to find 208 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: it while we're looking. I did my top five for 209 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: the New York Times about five years ago, and I'll 210 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: find it. 211 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: Well. 212 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: Well, while we're talking about the reason I got on 213 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: that whole tangent. 214 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: But but you went all, yeah, I get, I get 215 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: while you went on that tangent, you went all the 216 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: way to the seventies because the seventies movie reminded you 217 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: of Draymond Green Tramon's. 218 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: Raymond's playmaking as a small Ball five was Meadow Lark 219 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: Lemon esque. 220 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: Oh boy, it was. I actually met Medal Lark a 221 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: few years before. You know, man, pretty it was pretty 222 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: soon after before he passed, came to Portland. He was 223 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: doing it. He did a last stint with the Globetrotters. 224 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 2: That was cool. That was cool. So that that that 225 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: legend right there. I do know all these other individuals 226 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: you mentioned mentioning I have to do, like. 227 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: I said, just you know what, and like I said, 228 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: you don't. You're a busy man. Maybe you don't have time. 229 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: So if you don't have time to watch the whole movie, 230 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: and if you don't have time to watch a bunch 231 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: of one hour episodes, just go on YouTube and just 232 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: watch the Doctor J. Dunk montage from the Fish at 233 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: Save Pittsburgh and then just watch the intro to any 234 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: episode of The White Shadow. And just if you just 235 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: do that for me, like I will consider that a 236 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 3: personal favor. 237 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: So, Draymond Stein, I was at Game one. I had 238 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: the assignment and it's it's it's interested in seeing the 239 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: dynamic of Draymond and how he can go at officials 240 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: and just how officials officiate or regulate after they've already 241 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: given him a technical and he knows its poor Ed, 242 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: but lord, poor Ed. Oh boy, I'm right there. Stean 243 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: Ed gives him a tech and dray didn't stop. Matter 244 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: of fact, it got worse, it got worse. So fans 245 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: don't understand how like it got worse worse. I'm not 246 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: gonna say this stuff. Dre was saying it got worse, 247 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: and you know, and drey didn't get a second tech. 248 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: But you know, you can just see the dynamic with 249 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: the officials. How you know, Draymond's a big part of 250 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: of what the Warriors do. And it's it's like that 251 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: with a lot of players in the league that get 252 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: you know, Luka Donkis gets a lot, picks up a 253 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: lot of texts. I wouldn't put Dylan Brooks on their level, 254 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: but Dylan Brooks gets a lot of texts. But how 255 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: referees are quick to give that first tech and then 256 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: the players know, the players know the official. The officials 257 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: do not want to be the center of attention by 258 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: ejecting someone who is very crucial to the team and 259 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: to the to the outcome, potentially the outcome of that 260 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: basketball game, and how much more leeway they give them 261 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: after the first tech. It was, it was, it was amazing. 262 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: It was amazing, which which leads me to believe, well, 263 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: which leads me to saying I should say is I 264 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: think there needs to be a lot more leeway in 265 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: the first TECH for some people because I think, you know, 266 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: but it depends, like you see officials giving players text 267 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: for waving their arms, you know, or they'll make a gesture, 268 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: not a not a finger gesture, make a gesture at 269 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: the hand, like swiping down at the official after a 270 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: call quick t But then right after that the talking 271 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: gets worse, you know, it's get worse after that, and 272 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: they don't get it, you know, they don't get a 273 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: TECH because the rest are scared to call a TECH. 274 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: So it was just, you know, I really enjoyed just 275 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: seeing that dynamic and see how officials call things and 276 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: how they don't call things after a TECH is already whistled. 277 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: Well in interesting. 278 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: I'm sure the Lakers are kind of gonna come away 279 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: from this furious though, because they went to the line 280 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: a ton in Game one. I think only four free 281 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: throws in the first half Tonight doesn't excuse the second 282 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: half performance. I mean that was just a second half borderline, 283 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: no show. Third quarter Warriors just ran up the score 284 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: on them. We don't normally talk about game two Clay, 285 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: but he was tonight found the three ball. But I mean, 286 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: Anthony Davis was so brilliant in Game one, didn't leave 287 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: the floor in the second half. But that naturally led 288 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: to the question, how much did that take out of him? 289 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: I think the good you know, I guess good news 290 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: is probably too strong. The silver lining here for the 291 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: Lakers is, you know, they got blown out. They didn't 292 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: really tax Lebron and Ad tonight. They're gonna have to 293 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: bounce back with I mean those two. It always it 294 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: obviously starts with those two stat I saw. The Lakers 295 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: have actually won nine straight game threes out of a 296 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: one to one tie. We'll see how much that actually 297 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: means for this. 298 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: You call this arrest. You call this arrest for the Lakers. 299 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: I mean in the second in the fourth quarter, they 300 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: sure did. I mean d Ham basically it was over, 301 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: you know, to start the fourth he was he basically 302 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: knew it was over. 303 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: So I mean, that's. 304 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: That's the only good news, because yeah, I mean drain, 305 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: I mean, ad did not look good tonight. And you know, 306 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 3: Draymond is going to take a lot of confidence out 307 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: of this that he's that his tactics are already working. 308 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's done it before, he's done it before. 309 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: Didn't Draymond tell us on on on on our podcast 310 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: when he came on probably about a month ago. Didn't 311 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 2: he tell us he wasn't going to be potting during 312 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: the playoffs? 313 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: No, no, no, he said, he's not gonna be interviewing. 314 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: So that's why, that's why he wasn't going to ask 315 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: us on anytime soon, because you know, that was that 316 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: was the trade. That was the I did not get 317 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 3: any Executive of the Year votes this year. I got zero, 318 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: but I think I should have because I think I 319 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: made the best trade of the season when I said, Draymond, sure, 320 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: come on our pod and then we'll drop on your 321 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 3: pod whenever you want, and he said, let's wait till 322 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 3: after the playoffs for your guys invite because after the 323 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: play in the playoffs, he only does postgame soliloquies. He 324 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: just gets on there and and and it's great. I mean, 325 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: I love listening to him because he you know, I 326 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: don't know how I don't know how the Warriors actually 327 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 3: feel about it, but he breaks it down in his 328 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: in his candid way. 329 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: It's just a new day. It's a new day. You 330 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: see the mixed reaction out there. There's a lot of 331 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: people who like it, who like getting a basketball breakdown 332 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: from somebody who's actually playing in that series the very 333 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: next day or maybe the same night, and it just 334 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: drops the next day. Then you have others who believe, hey, 335 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: he should be locked in twenty four hours. You shouldn't 336 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 2: be You shouldn't have time for this. It's just a 337 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 2: new day at the end of the day, if he's 338 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 2: still bringing it, and that's all that matters. And definitely 339 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: he brought it for Game two. 340 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: Now since as you know, I'm living vicariously through you 341 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 3: here for you know where you know, I'm not going 342 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: to any of these games. You're the You're you're repping 343 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 3: the show on the road here. Are you sticking with 344 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: this series or are you are you diverting elsewhere? What's 345 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 3: what's your next what's your next TV gig? 346 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm sticking through this series through so game three is 347 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: another ESPN game. Game three is Friday. I have Game 348 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: four Monday, and I have Game five Wednesday next week. 349 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 3: Those putting you on the spot, but you if if 350 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: you wanted to. 351 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: Call, but I am, but I will be. I will 352 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: be at game three. But just just as a report, if. 353 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 3: You want to decline to answer this, I totally get it, 354 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 3: but I'm gonna ask it. 355 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't duck, no small shoot. 356 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 3: So atmosphere wise to work the sideline, sit courtside. What 357 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: do you like better? Chase Center or the place that 358 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 3: I'm not ready to call its new name, Staples Center. 359 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: I would say that's a good question. I'm not ducking 360 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: like Stein. It's equal. Equal, It's equal. 361 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: I would have thought it would have been a Staples layup. 362 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: Well why just because the people? 363 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just look, I mean again, I'm letting 364 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: my personal biases come in. My formative years were spent 365 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: in southern California. I'm a former Lakers beat writer. There's 366 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: just and I feel every time I go back, there 367 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 3: is just something about being court side at a Laker game, 368 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: like there is there is a court side energy because 369 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: and you know, the people watching is a big part 370 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: of it. But like I just feel it every time 371 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: I come home, and you know, and I've never in 372 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 3: I'm I'm just sitting in the you know, the press 373 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: row seats. I mean you, you know as the TNT 374 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 3: sideline guy, like you have the best press seat there is. 375 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I was looking at it from a different angle, 376 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: all right. Question. I was looking at it like like 377 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: which arena allows me to do my job? The belt, 378 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: you know, listen walking around, you know, trying to listen 379 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: to see what I can get from, you know, the 380 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: timeout huddles. And I said, San Francisco and La are 381 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: the same because I can walk there. There's an hourway. 382 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: There's a pathway. I can walk to the Lakers side 383 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: and walk straight to the to the opposite side, to 384 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: the Warriors side, the Kings. You haven't you haven't been 385 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: to god, Okay, there is not a pathway, so I 386 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: have to It's a weird setup. So I sit at 387 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: the scorers table. But in order to get to the 388 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: Warriors side, I have to walk up some stairs that's 389 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 2: behind me. There's about six steps, walk up some stairs 390 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: that are behind me, and I walk towards the Warriors side. 391 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: And then but I have to pass the Warriors bench. 392 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: So I passed the Warriors bench about twenty feet past them, 393 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 2: walk down, then go to the Warriors. Then I can 394 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: get to the Warriors bench the same. It's the same path. 395 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: If I want to go to the Kings, go right 396 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: back up these stairs, go towards the King's bench, past 397 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: the King's bench about twenty feet, go down the steps, 398 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: then get over to the Kings. So there's not a 399 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: there's not a one path hour way from each bench. 400 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: And so those are and so that's what I don't 401 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: you know, that makes it tough, so really so basically 402 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: like for a Kings game or any other arena that 403 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: stuff like that, if I have to go to a 404 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: if there's a timeout, I have to pick one of 405 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: the teams that I'm gonna go. Just like listen in. 406 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 3: All right, you can't just move, you can't just maneuver 407 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: quickly between them. 408 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: They just maneuver. 409 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: But you know, when I the years I did ESPN 410 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: Iseline Radio, that's what I felt about Cleveland. Cleveland, we 411 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: set first of all the you know, and this is 412 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: just extreme whining like that, you know, should never be 413 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: done by by a person in our position, but I'm 414 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: gonna do it anyway. In Cleveland, we even for the 415 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: sideline reporter. The seat was way off the court and 416 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: it was not It was just not an eat. Like 417 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 3: to get to the Cavs bench from where you were 418 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: sitting was not was not easy. So I never liked 419 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: doing games in Cleveland. But again, now just letting all 420 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 3: my selfish, my selfishness and personal biases in. I loved 421 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: Oakland too. I just I loved Oakland so much. And 422 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: though you know, my last three years at ESPN I 423 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: basically lived with the Warriors, I spent so much time 424 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: in Oakland, and I just had I have so many 425 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: fond memories of the Oracle days. And I've only been 426 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: to Chase Center a couple of times, but and it 427 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: just I just do not have the same vibe and 428 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 3: feeling there. 429 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: I just don't. 430 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we have to segue to from the playoffs to 431 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: less pleasant news. Thunderbolt earlier Thursday in the coaching world, 432 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: expected to some degree, but still a thunderbolt because this 433 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 3: man won a championship in Milwaukee. Mike buden Holzer out 434 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 3: of a job. The Bucks announced Thursday that they are 435 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 3: making the coaching change that many have expected since Milwaukee's 436 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: stunning first round elimination, losing in five to the eighth 437 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: seeded Miami Heat. I don't think there was any way 438 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: the Bucks weren't gonna end up going down this road, because, look, 439 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: there's a new collective bargaining agreement coming into the league. 440 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: We've been talking about this a lot. All these teams 441 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 3: that have multiple stars, it's gonna be really hard in 442 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 3: the new NBA to add to your team if you've 443 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: got high salary players, and the Bucks have three of them. 444 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: The Bucks obviously revolve around Giannis, but they still have 445 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: Drew Holliday. Chris Middleton has a forty million dollar player 446 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: option that even if he declines, he's gonna want a 447 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 3: long term lucrat deal to stay. Brook Lopez is up 448 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 3: for a new deal. It's going to be really hard 449 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: for the Bucks to dramatically change their Team's going to 450 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: be challenging for the Bucks just to keep what they have, 451 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: So the only way for them to make a drastic change, 452 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: the only sure way for them to make a drastic 453 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: change is to make a coaching change, and that's what 454 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: we're seeing here. Mike Budenholzer there for five years, and 455 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: to me, it's not dissimilar to what we saw in 456 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: Toronto that Nick Nurse. For as good of a coach 457 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 3: as he is, there's been rumblings for a while now 458 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 3: about discontent and clearly the Raptors want a new voice, 459 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 3: and I think the Bucks players, I don't know if 460 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: they'll ever put it like this publicly, but I think 461 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 3: within that locker room they wanted a new voice also, 462 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: and so the Bucks are going that route to find 463 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: that new voice because again, it is the easiest way 464 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 3: to dramatically change this team before next season. 465 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not surprising, you know, it was. It 466 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: was kind of a red flag thrown up when when 467 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: it was announced that the Bucks were not going to 468 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: have whole exit and reviews. Some teams do that anyways, 469 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 2: but that that was kind of a sign right there, Okay, 470 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 2: there's gonna be a change pretty soon, Like that's what's 471 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: going to happen. So you know, it's not surprising. I mean, again, 472 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: Boot and Holzers knock and there's this was a knock 473 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: that's been in place since his days with the Atlanta Hawks. 474 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: In game adjustments has always been a knock of a 475 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 2: knock of his and he's a phenomenal coach, still one 476 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: of the best coaches we have in the association. Good guy. 477 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: My prayers go out to him and the family. You know, 478 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: they they lost the brother doing He lost his brother 479 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: during that that first round series with the heat, So 480 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: he was going through a lot. But there were a 481 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: few times during his tenure in Milwaukee where he was 482 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 2: close to getting let go. It took that finals run 483 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: them getting that championship that gave him some a little 484 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: bit more staying power. But when you have Giannis ante 485 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: Compo with the new CBA coming on them, that's going 486 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: to be that's going to be a little bit more tight, 487 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: won't have that much flexibility to to produce these rosters 488 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: that a lot of teams call super teams. Mawukee is 489 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: trying to do everything they can to maximize Gianni's prime 490 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 2: and they feel like this was decision that had to 491 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: be made. Now the next decision is who do you 492 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: get to replace them? Who out there that you consider 493 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 2: an upgrade? Automatically some names that will pop up, Nick 494 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: Nurse for sure, Frank Vogel out there, are they upgrades? 495 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: I don't know? Stein. I saw a stat out there 496 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: that the last four three of the last four coaches 497 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: to win a championship have been let go. 498 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: It actually goes actually goes back farther since goes back 499 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 3: since twenty fifteen, since the Warriors first of four championships, 500 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: the only coach still in his job is Steve Kerr 501 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 3: still in that job. Tylu obviously won the title in 502 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. He coaches the Clippers now, but he was 503 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: ultimately let go in Cleveland. And now Nick Nurse, the 504 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen champion, Frank Vogel the twenty twenty champion, and 505 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 3: Mike Budenholzer the twenty twenty one champion, all without the 506 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 3: jobs that helped them get those rings. And it just 507 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: kind of shows you the pressure that these teams are under. 508 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: You know, I texted you this earlier Thursday, because it's true. 509 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 3: Like my new favorite NBA list is your guy Dame Lillard. 510 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: Like he is. 511 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: He is, like he's commenting. You know, obviously his season 512 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: ended way earlier than he wanted, but like what it 513 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: means for us is he's constantly commenting on NBA developments 514 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 3: And so I'm trying to dial up this tweet here 515 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: and find it so uh, you know, the news comes 516 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 3: out that the that the Bucks have fired Budenholzer, and again, 517 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: like you said it, it's not a surprise, but it's 518 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 3: still you know, it still jolts you because again, the 519 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: guy won a championship two years ago, not that long ago. 520 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 3: And Dame's tweet. Folks out here firing championship coaches as 521 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: soon as they don't win the chip. And that's like, 522 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: there are so many teams in the league that just 523 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: feel all in, you know, the all in brigade. And 524 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: that's why this summer, I think the combination of how 525 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: many teams are meeting with disappointment, and you'd have to 526 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: throw the Blazers in there, and the Mavericks in there, 527 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: and the Grizzlies in there with the Bucks and the 528 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: Wizard didn't even make the playing round and Toronto huge disappointment, 529 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 3: the Bulls disappointment. I mean, there are so many teams 530 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 3: Minnesota that like fell so much farther short of expectations 531 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: than they envision. There's gonna be changed, there's gonna be 532 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: trades as teams try to address that disappointment and also 533 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: try to cope with this new collective bargaining agreement. That's 534 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 3: gonna it's just gonna If you've got two stars, okay, 535 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: you can build around them. If you've got three stars, 536 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: it's gonna be really tough. And and you know, it's 537 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: gonna keep even more pressure on coaches. You know, we've 538 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: always said in the NBA and every sport that the 539 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: coach is the easiest thing to change. But I fear 540 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 3: for coaches that it's gonna be even more so that 541 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 3: that statement will ring more true or truer, depending on 542 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: what you grammarians prefer. I prefer more true than truer 543 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: for what it's worth. Uh, I think it's I think 544 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: it's gonna become a bigger thing for coaches to cope 545 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: with it. Like you again, it's this is the this 546 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: is the easiest move for the Bucks to make. But 547 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: like you said, it like where they go. I mean, 548 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: if you're going to replace Mike Budenholzer, it really comes 549 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 3: down to one of two paths. For me, do you 550 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: do you bring in a Nick Nurse or a Frank Vogel, 551 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: the two clear cut proven championship coaches out there, or 552 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: Charles Lee, who's been a candidate for so many jobs 553 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 3: here in recent years Bucks assistant. He's a finalist right 554 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: now for Detroit. On Thursday night, I reported that he 555 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 3: was just with the Raptors interviewing for the Raptors vacancy. 556 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: You know, Charles Lee has been one of the most 557 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: in demand assistants. Do you just give the job to 558 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 3: him and give him a chance to coach this team? 559 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: I would like to see that. I would like to 560 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: see that. I'm not discounting that at all. Do you 561 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: just have to for all the knocks on Bootonholzer, all 562 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: the negative negatives, he was a phenomenal coach, and he 563 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: is a phenomenal coach, I should say, but you have 564 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: to produce an upgrade. And if that upgrade you believe 565 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: is lead And they would know more than we would 566 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: anybody exactly. They're around him. They know how he they 567 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: know how he prepares, they know how he's able to communicate. 568 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: That's them. But they got to get it right. They 569 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: gotta get it Like, if you're going to make this movie, 570 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 2: you already should have somebody in mind, or have a 571 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: few individuals in mind that you feel like are for 572 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: sure upgrades. And John Horse over there, I know him well. 573 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: The general manager over there with the Bucks. It's a 574 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: smart dude. Obviously. This is again Stan, we know this 575 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 2: is something that they've been contemplating doing over the last 576 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: four years. It was like we hear it might go down, 577 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 2: then the Buck's going to run with the top, you know. 578 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: So this is not something that you know, just happened, 579 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: you know, out the whim. So know, we'll see how 580 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: this plays out. 581 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: And look, I think you nailed it when you said, 582 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 3: you know, the season ended. No, no Bucks players made available. No, 583 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 3: we have not yet heard from John Horst as a 584 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 3: you know, GM giving his end of the season wrap up. 585 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: And just like in Toronto, Mesaiyu Jerry didn't do his 586 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 3: end of the season press conference until Nick Nurse's fate 587 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 3: was decided, and the Bucks held off in a similar way. 588 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 3: And now they've made the move and now you know, Detroit, 589 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: Charles Lee, Jaren Collins, the New Orleans Pelicans assistant, Kevin Ali, 590 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: the former Yukon coach, those three have consistently been named, 591 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 3: you know, mentioned and circulated as the finalists for the 592 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 3: Detroit opening. In Toronto, they're just getting their search started 593 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: and the Raptors have said they want to take a 594 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 3: long you know, a longer term approached trying to find 595 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: the Nick Nurse replacement. Now, will Budenholzer become a candidate 596 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 3: for the Raptors. Budenholzer was very much a candidate when 597 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: they decided to hire Nick to replace Dwayne Casey. And 598 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 3: then you know, the Bucks with the third opening, what 599 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 3: will they do? Do they go? You know, with so 600 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 3: much riding on the future again, you know, we said it, 601 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: Chris Middleton player option, heading for free agency, Brook Lopez 602 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 3: heading for free agency, Yannis and Tetokumpo extension eligible in 603 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 3: the fall. Gonna be really tough for the Bucks to 604 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: make any kind of meaningful upgrades around the edges if 605 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 3: they keep if they re sign Middleton and Brook, I 606 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: mean goodbye flexibility most likely. So can you really hand 607 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 3: the team over to a first year coach after what 608 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 3: just happened to them? That's the decision. The Bucks are 609 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 3: going to have to figure out. If they love Charles 610 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 3: Lee and they think he's the guy, then do it, 611 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 3: be bold, go for it. And we're going to see 612 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 3: if they believe in the guy who's there, or if 613 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 3: they're going to say, we've got to replace experience with experience. 614 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 3: And that's really the question, All right, everyone that does 615 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 3: it for another edition of this league, uncut, huge weekend ahead. 616 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: Will Jimmy Butler be back for the Miami Heat in 617 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 3: Game three as Nix Heat shifts to South Beach? As 618 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 3: we said, Denver the only two to zero lead. No 619 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 3: Chris Paul in Game three, probably not in Game four either, 620 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 3: So the Suns in a really tough spot, a lot 621 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 3: riding on. Can Cameron Payne step in for Chris Paul 622 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: and they don't have really anything behind Cameron Payne. Now 623 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 3: at the point, can the Suns dig themselves out of 624 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 3: this two hole? Warriors Lakers shifts to LA Sixers. Boston 625 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 3: man Joel Embiid is back game two. All he really 626 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 3: got was a chance to get back on the court 627 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 3: and try to get some level of rhythm because that 628 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 3: second half no show from the Sixers. But you know 629 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,479 Speaker 3: that series, I mean, I think you know the winner 630 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 3: of that series is supposed to be the favorite to 631 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 3: win it all from here, So still tons riding on 632 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 3: all these games. We will be back with you in 633 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 3: just a couple of days to make sense of where 634 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 3: we are. Chris Haynes enjoy that Staples. 635 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 2: Hold on Stein, I have I have announcemental. No announcement, Okay, 636 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: I have announcement real quick. So I'm sorry listeners to 637 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 2: inform you that I have to continue my streak of 638 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: admitting a story that I said through this podcast producer 639 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 2: Ryan Doctor Ryan, We're going to have to delete my story. 640 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: I gave it to about twenty nineteen. Wife said leave 641 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: it alone, and. 642 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: And well, well, wife says, goes. I need to have 643 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 3: like I need to have. 644 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 2: One day, one day I'm gonna be able to say 645 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 2: my story and let it go, let it just hit 646 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 2: and live with the consequences. 647 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: Man. 648 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I need to have like a little button 649 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 3: that I can press to like alert her. We're heading 650 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 3: into some dangerous territory here. I need some help. 651 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: We go. We gotta we gonna call it a day. 652 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 2: We gotta come up with a day one day, our listens, 653 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 2: I'll promise you I'll be able to get a story 654 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 2: out and you'll be able to hear it. I'll promise you, 655 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: just not today. 656 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 3: You are something else, one of a kind. Chris Hanes America. 657 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 3: All right, that really does it now for this edition 658 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 3: of I guess we have to call it this league 659 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 3: with a very rare small unavoidable Cut. We'll be back 660 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 3: soon with the fully unbridled This League Uncut just a 661 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 3: couple of days, just wait for us. We'll be back 662 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 3: with more soon. 663 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: And that'll do it for us. See you next time. 664 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: This League Uncut is an iHeartRadio production Chris Haynes and 665 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: Mark Stein.