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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb and this is the

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show. And you know, like there's a lot

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Speaker 1: in March, right, We're in March, or we're in Izzo. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was always taught. Is January, February, Iszo April a

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Speaker 1: just beat Purdue at Purdue unbelievable win, great college basketball game,

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Speaker 1: they had it really well. Scouted Purdue's last play of

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Speaker 1: I'm a coach, Now that's the stuff I look for,

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Speaker 1: So we got a prep for it. We've got to

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Speaker 1: to execute it defensively and have a plan for how

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Speaker 1: to take them out of it, But if you haven't

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Speaker 1: listened to the Doug Gottlieb Show podcast since we've gotten

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Speaker 1: this form, we talked some college hoops, some about my

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Speaker 1: Green Bay squad, but we also discuss other topics. Dan

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Speaker 1: Ponoman's going to join us DP is the founder of Weave,

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Speaker 1: which is I think, by all accounts, the number one

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Speaker 1: the international players as well. I don't have the numbers.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are very much others. We know, we

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Speaker 1: this year, by many people's assessments, has been a tremendous

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Speaker 1: anybody's integrity. I think that's a really big distinction in

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Speaker 2: Understand you're still competing for yourself and you're finished strong

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Speaker 2: So my strategy is a little different. That's what I

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Speaker 2: Well, we have a lot of team meetings where we

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Speaker 1: What do you think the difference in markets is in

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Speaker 3: Which I think is they spent. I think they spent

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Speaker 3: Well, let's take out Gonzaga. Let's take out Brand Canyon.

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Speaker 3: I don't know their a D. But he's fantastic. Everybody

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Speaker 1: And I out, I think, I know you're right because

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Speaker 2: so internet there's international elite players like we saw what

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00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: University of Illinois did right or like BYU with igor

436
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 2: you know where, or Old miss with it with the

437
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: guard who just got granted extra year today, Like you

438
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: see the elite international players that are making a million

439
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: or two million dollars, right, we have we have some

440
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: of those guys that we represent where they've performed at

441
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: the ACB, at the year league level.

442
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: They're established high level pros.

443
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Speaker 2: But one thing that we specialize in that we've is

444
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Speaker 2: that next level down of guys who could become that

445
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: And that's where it gets complicated and hard for coaches

446
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: throughout their head around. Right, if you're an assistant coach

447
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: for twenty years, when you're used to recruiting at the

448
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: Nike peach Sham or the Idea's couplet, how do you

449
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: compare that player's value to a guy who's maybe been

450
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: playing second division Lithuania, who's eighteen years old but has

451
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: really good numbers or played really well in the FIBA

452
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: Under eighteen B division. Right, So I have scouts on

453
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: my team, agents on my team that spend all year

454
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: going through Europe watching these guys in person, so we

455
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: can communicate that value to schools and let them know

456
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: this guy is this good and he's a pro and XYZ. Now,

457
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: we actually don't care that much about first year price

458
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: when it comes to international players outside of that tier one.

459
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: We care more about a really good landing spot for

460
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: a guy to elevate their career from. Like, for instance,

461
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 2: we have some guys at UT Martin this year. Shout

462
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: out Jeremy Shulman. They're having a fantastic here in the OVC,

463
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 2: guys who are making not very much to nothing. But

464
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: we realized that UT Martin was a great fertile launching

465
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: pad for guys to co establish himself, play really well,

466
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: create value, and maybe you could have gotten one hundred

467
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: thousand years somewhere else and you're getting ten thousand at

468
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: UT Martin. But if you dominate and you make a

469
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: million the next year, it's worth the pay cut to

470
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: go to a place where you can showcase yourself. We

471
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: love finding programs like that that we can use as

472
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: launching pads for guys' careers, and I think for European

473
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: guys specifically, it's valuable because a lot of high major

474
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 2: coaches are scared of making big finance investments on what

475
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: they consider to be unknown commodities.

476
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: You might have never seen this person play live.

477
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you it's hard. Obviously, we've

478
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: had several internationals and it takes a while from for

479
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: all sides to adjust. It's a different way of playing

480
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: the exact same sport, different way of being coached, and

481
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: then you know, you still got to get established in

482
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: school and fitting in with teammates. It's a fascinating exercise

483
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: to watch these players and to see who fits and

484
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: who doesn't. Let's go to this. Okay, let's start with

485
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: the negative and then go to the positive. Okay, give

486
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: me three don'ts. Don't do this if you're dealing, let's

487
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: just say with you forget about you can't speak to

488
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: other agencies. Okay, but your agency is wide spanning, as

489
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: you said, nineteen people working underneath you, somewhere around ten

490
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: other agents. What's a don't in dealing with we've.

491
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: If you're a college coach, first don't is don't go

492
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: directly to the player to try to negotiate.

493
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: Go through the agent.

494
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: They have hired an agent and told you to talk

495
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: to the agent for a specific reason. And if you're

496
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: going directly to the player, it feels that you're subverting

497
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: the channels of communication that have been established to try

498
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: to get yourself a better deal, or to try to

499
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: emotionally manipulate that player into getting them for a better price.

500
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: I've seen as many times where they know if they

501
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: call them that the price is going to be whatever

502
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: the fair market value is. But if they go directly

503
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: to the player and say, I love you, you're so great,

504
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 2: how would you like to stay for this? Making back

505
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: get into a corner of being emotionally manipulated by a

506
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: coach who controls their minutes and to agree to something

507
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: that's less than their worth. Then they're going to get

508
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: a better deal short term, but long term, we're not

509
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: going to deal with them anymore.

510
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 3: They don't trust them.

511
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: Right.

512
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Speaker 2: Similarly, there are some coaches that will actually tell players, hey,

513
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: you don't need that agent. He's just going to take

514
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: a percentage of your money. Just deal with me and

515
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: I'll give you you're going to The deal's not going

516
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: to change. It's going to be the same deal anyway,

517
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: which is never the case.

518
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: Right.

519
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: If that was the case, they wouldn't be afraid to

520
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: call the agent.

521
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Speaker 5: Piece.

522
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: The deal is the deal.

523
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: The deal is the deal, but they're telling you that

524
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: it's I'd always say it's like a shark talent telling

525
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: of fish you can swim over here. I'm going to

526
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: protect you from the other sharks. Your agents the shark,

527
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: I'm your coach, but really they're trying to emotionally manipulate

528
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: the players into getting better deals. And we do not

529
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: like that because you're putting the player in position where

530
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: they've hired an agent to handle their business so they

531
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: can play basketball, and now you're putting them in the

532
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: middle of a situation that is an uncomfortable situation where

533
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: you don't want to upset the coach that controls for minutes,

534
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: but you also want what's fair. That's why you hired

535
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 2: an agent. And you would never see that in pro basketball.

536
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: I have a player with the Bulls. Their front off

537
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: is never going directly to the player and saying, hey,

538
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: you know you don't need your We're going to just

539
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: give you this deal.

540
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: Would never have Dan hold On. Now, okay, player enters

541
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: the NBA, they have representation. There are many players that

542
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: play in college basketball that don't have an agent and

543
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: they're thinking about hiring an agent, and you're sitting there going, okay,

544
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, listen, if you're going to stay here and

545
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: play for me, we have the built in relationship. I

546
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: do understand. Again, one of the reasons I generally actually

547
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: agree with you, and this is gonna sound weird, right.

548
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: I actually agree with you that even players on my

549
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: team if they if they have established representation, because nothing

550
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: good comes of a negotiation when it's between player and

551
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: coach because you can't have real conversations with them. You

552
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: just you can't. And this goes back to my days

553
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: as a broadcaster where anytime ESPN, for example, they would

554
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: try and do that all the time. You don't need

555
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: an agent. It's just gonna take your money, right, I

556
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: don't know, Let's get a deal done without an agent,

557
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: and of course your agent finds out about it and

558
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: they hit the roof. But the other part to it

559
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: is you can't have a real conversation with your boss

560
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: because you shouldn't know everything that they're saying about you,

561
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: and they should know everything you're saying about them. It's

562
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: just it's unhealthy. You actually need that third party, that uh,

563
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: that mediator, if you will. I do think the one

564
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: part I would dis agree with you on is the

565
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: kid who's like thinking about hire an agent talking to

566
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: some people, but I might want to come back, Like, look, dude,

567
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: if you want to come back, I would. I'm just

568
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: going to tell you that this is there's no agent

569
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: fies here. You have an established role here, you have

570
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: an established relationship with me here, and you know everything

571
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: we do and how we do it. That's the baseline

572
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: for how it's going to be. It's very likely to

573
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: be better next year because you're returning and you're going

574
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: to get more. I do think there's room for that

575
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: conversation more so than the conversation you're previously talking.

576
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: If a player doesn't have an agent, then they haven't

577
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: already told you they have an agent, and they want

578
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: to have that conversation with you.

579
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: That's totally appropriate.

580
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: It's just different when you have an agent, particularly one

581
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: agent that they came in with.

582
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: And then you subvert those challenges, no question.

583
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: Also, I often tell I'm probably divulging too many trade seekers,

584
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: but often well tell a player if we're recruiting like

585
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: a mid major guy, Hey, if you go back to

586
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: your current school and whatever their first offer is is

587
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: what you take. I'm not going to take a percentage

588
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: from you. I only deserve to get paid if I

589
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 2: raise the value of offer more than what my commission is.

590
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to take I don't want your number

591
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: to go down because you hired me. It should only

592
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: go up, it should only be additive, and I think

593
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: that's uncommon. I also think it's always an uncomfortable situation

594
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: when you sign a player who's out of school and

595
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: then you renegotiating your return to the player. I would say,

596
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: it's like you walked in someone's house who stole the TV,

597
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: and you're selling it back to him for an increased price, right,

598
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: but as an individual.

599
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: Not a TV.

600
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: But you know, there are tricky things with these these relationships.

601
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: But I think that's.

602
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: Also why I advise and teach my staff to do

603
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: things differently.

604
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: Like I think.

605
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: You know, in the situations you describe, there are some

606
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: agents who might just come in and say, because I'm

607
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: signing you, you're going to go in the transfer portal

608
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: because I want to get paid. That's not our policy.

609
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: We want guys to return to the schools or out

610
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: if it's a better situation for their development long term.

611
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one funny story about this exact situation.

612
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: There's a player that I was trying to sign and

613
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: he tells his coach, hey.

614
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: I think I'm thinking about Is that a mind made?

615
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about signing with Weave And the coach gives

616
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: that speech, I you don't need an agent.

617
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: They're just going to take some of your money.

618
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: You don't need to I'm going to give you the

619
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: same deal and I know, and if you transfer, i'll

620
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: help you navigate through the portal and you don't need

621
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: to pay them.

622
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: I'll do it for free.

623
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: What's funny is this exact coach and I had a

624
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: screenshot of it the previous year had texted me said, Hey, Dan,

625
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to retain some of my players and I

626
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: don't know much about market value in this marketplace. Can

627
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: you get on the phone with me and advise me

628
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: on what these players are worth so I can give

629
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: them consummate offers to what the market value is.

630
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: So here's a coach telling a.

631
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: Player, don't pay Weave to help you establish market value

632
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: and understand what you're worth in the portal because I know,

633
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: and I'll help you for free. But the same coach

634
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: six months earlier was texting me to teach him market value.

635
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: So I thought that was just direct comparison. Was comical,

636
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: and I understood why the coach was doing it because

637
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: it's like, well, if I get him to not hire Weave,

638
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: I might get away with keeping him here for free,

639
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: and if he does and if he does transfer, maybe

640
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: I can use him to help get a better job,

641
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: or maybe I can help out one of my homies

642
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: and maybe he'll know he'll get a better job, and

643
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: I'll take his job afterwards.

644
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: So I get why he was doing it.

645
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: But you know, that was an easy explanation of that

646
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: player of like, yeah, your coach only knows market value

647
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: because I taught him.

648
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to another. So the first don't is,

649
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: don't try and negotiate. Don't try and work around an

650
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: agent if the player is represented by the agent. If

651
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: you want to deal with WEEF, give me another dope.

652
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Another don't is, if we establish a number and we

653
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: agree to a number, don't send us a contract that

654
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: says something different. Don't send us a contract that backloads payments.

655
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: We are operating under the assumption that if we agree

656
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: to a number, that that contract will reflect that number

657
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: for this season. Right, if we say five hundred thousand,

658
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: I don't want a contract that says, oh, it's three

659
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: fifty for this year and one to fifty next to June.

660
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: If you stay no, no, no, no, no, that's a retention bonus

661
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: for next year. The numbers we agree to are for

662
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: this upcoming season, and if you want a retention bonus,

663
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: we talk about that on the front end. Another don't

664
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: don't say a number as if it's true, and then

665
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Speaker 2: later on say, oh, I talked to my head coach

666
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: or I talked to my ad and actually the numbers

667
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: can be lower because we're navigating through the portal. If

668
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: we think we have this offer for five hundred thousand

669
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: in our back pocket and we know we can fall

670
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: back on that, and we're canceling out other options thinking

671
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: we have this offer here.

672
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: Now.

673
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: I get if something materially changes, like you get another

674
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: commitment that you commit some other other money.

675
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I get it.

676
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: But don't lure a player with a big offer and

677
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: then once you're on the five yard line, change that

678
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: offer because that's disingenuous. That's not okay, And they might

679
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: have turned down other offers that were close to that

680
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: by trusting you. So with my staff, we're so big

681
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: on trust, and a lot of what we sell to

682
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: players is I've been doing this twenty years. A lot

683
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: of guys in my staff have been doing this ten

684
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: fifteen years. We have trust with schools. They don't lie

685
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: to us. They tell us the truth. They communicates. There's

686
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: checks and balances with those relationships. So if you give

687
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: us reason to not trust you, like lying about a

688
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: number and changing it or coming to an agreement and

689
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: the contract reflects something different, we no longer can trust

690
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 2: you and you're going to get docked. We have an

691
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: internal system of greed to red and how much we

692
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: can trust a coach.

693
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: You're going to go to the red zone, and that.

694
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: Means you're at the back of the line if fault

695
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: ins are equal.

696
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So those are the don'ts give me the dues?

697
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: What are the things that when coaches do this, you're

698
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: like this guy, We're good regardless of if things work

699
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: out or not.

700
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: Do be honest and realize we're not playing games again.

701
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: This is with WEAVE.

702
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: I don't know about other agencies, but do be honest,

703
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: like I always tell players, if you don't have us,

704
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: A coach might tell ten guys I'm recruiting you to

705
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: be a starter, and they know who the five are.

706
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: When you're talking to us, it's okay to tell us

707
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm recruiting them to be a backup.

708
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: I'm recruiting them for fifteen minutes a game.

709
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: We'd rather you tell us that so we can operate

710
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: in realities than to lie, and then we're not going

711
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: to deal with you again if you lie to us.

712
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: I always tell guys, if they.

713
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: Recruit you to be a starter and you go and

714
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: you shoot ten percent from three and turn the ball

715
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: over and they bench you, that is not my fault.

716
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: That it's not coach's fault. That is your fault.

717
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: You play better, right, But be honest about role. Be

718
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: honest about how you intend to develop this player. Be

719
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: honest about the fears you have and apprehensions like don't

720
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: give me a sales pitch, don't sell me a dream,

721
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: tell me reality. Because I'm advising a young man's life.

722
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: I got to tell them the good and the bad.

723
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: I got to tell them what could what the upside

724
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: could be, and what could go wrong if they don't

725
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: play well or or they don't perform well off the court.

726
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: Right, So just be honest. We're not playing games with you.

727
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: I know there's a for people who don't know us,

728
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: there's a natural inclination to be distrustful of agents, like

729
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: we're all about money, We're not all about money. We're

730
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: about helping guide our guys to better lives and financial

731
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: prosperity and pro basketball careers. So give us real information

732
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: so we can advise our guys honestly.

733
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: We just want honest it. We don't want to play games.

734
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: And if we tell you this is the price, don't

735
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: think that we're playing.

736
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: Games and trying to go high. So you go low, No,

737
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 3: you will. It's funny.

738
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: I was talking thinking about Hedar, who works for me,

739
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 2: you know, darting today, about our negotiation for a salary

740
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: next year, and I'm going to tell him what it is.

741
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go high, so we can go low.

742
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: So we can go high and then meet in the middle.

743
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: We're im gonna say this is the price, this is

744
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: what you're worth. And we do the same with players.

745
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: We don't play games. We're honest, So be honest with

746
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: us and we can get to deals.

747
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: A lot faster. All right, give me two more dudes.

748
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: And be honest about like where they are in the

749
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: pecking order. If you need a point guard and they're

750
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: the fourth on your list and you're going for some

751
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: other guys, be honest about that so we can explore

752
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: other options if there was one school last year at

753
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: SEC school, and this helps.

754
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 3: When we have a lot of clients.

755
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: We know where they were telling two of our different

756
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: point guards, you're number one on our list. You're the

757
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: top guy on our point guard list. And they offered

758
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: one million, and they offered one seven hundred thousand, and

759
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: they offered another point guard two million. So I knew

760
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: all of that, and I'm like, they are full of crap, right, Like,

761
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: be honest, Hey, we're going after some other dudes. If

762
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: we miss on them, you're next up, and then you'll

763
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: be the starter.

764
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: Right, But don't.

765
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: Tell everybody you're number one on our list because we're

766
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: going to find out that's not sure that we're not

767
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: going to trust you.

768
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: It's okay.

769
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: Not everybody would would go get aj Debosa and Kingston

770
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: Fleming's if they could.

771
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: You're not number one. No one's number one on anybody's list.

772
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: You hope you're number one on your wife's list, and

773
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: other than that, you're not number one on anybody's list.

774
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: Okay.

775
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure Green Bay would have loved to hire Phil Jackson.

776
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: I guess he's a little old. But you know what

777
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: they land on. Doug Gottlieb and that's great. He became

778
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: number one and that's okay. So just don't lie to us.

779
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: Tell us where are guys. I've had some guys who've

780
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: been eighth options.

781
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: They missed on the.

782
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: Seven and they got there and they'd end up being

783
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: all conference players and that worked out great as long

784
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: as you're number one when the deals signed. But be

785
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: honest so we can operate, so we're not in a

786
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: holding pattern thinking we're number one.

787
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: Well, you're not.

788
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: Sending us a contract in your secret be trying to go.

789
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 3: Get other guys.

790
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: I'll give you the last one, which is a do

791
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: for me and I have it for all of my staff.

792
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: Something I believe in in life, but it's definitely in

793
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: this case. Don't ever burn the boats, burn the bridge, right,

794
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: because what happens with coaches. You get so emotional, you

795
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: get so invested, you see the vision. This is the

796
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: kid who's gonna win me games and get me the

797
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: new contract whatever, and you you, and then the kid

798
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: goes somewhere else and you lose your lose your mind,

799
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: you lose your mind, you burn the bridge. And I

800
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: would guess that even though you're still going to do business.

801
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: With somebody who has money in the future. Uh, if

802
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: all things are equal, you'd probably steer him somewhere else. Dan,

803
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: you're the best man. Always interesting to catch up with you.

804
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: I know this is getting to a very very very

805
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: very busy like you're This is tax season, right, and

806
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: it's actually interesting you and accountants kind of have the

807
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: same schedule this year with the portal opening a little

808
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: bit later, so I know you're busy. I love having

809
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: you on Shabat alone. Thanks so much for taking time

810
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: with us. We'll talk to you soon.

811
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: Shabot Loman Happy promo.

812
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: Let's talk some college who. If you know anything about

813
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: college hoops, you're going to know what Field of sixty

814
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: eight is. If you don't, that's okay, I'm gonna give

815
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: you a little tip. Okay, you can watch their shows

816
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: where they're stream You can even just watch that x

817
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: or you can download them in podcast form just type

818
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: in Field of sixty eight. It's awesome. They have mid

819
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: major show. They had shows every night talking about college basketball.

820
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: They got guys that are really really inside, former coaches,

821
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: former players, and Jeff Goodman of course, who's helped start

822
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: the midling up. You're a former year I know I

823
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: would you are slappy, but but you're the you were

824
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: a I don't want to say you're a former insider

825
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: because you're still an insider. This is just you've just

826
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: evolved with the wave of how broadcasting works now, journalism

827
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: works now. So anyway, Jeff Jeff Goodman joins us, there's

828
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Speaker 1: a million things I want to I want to get to,

829
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: But you guys are doing a bunch on theurnament and

830
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting because let's have the honest discussion.

831
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: There's always been the mid major versus the high major.

832
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Would you take a high major you know who's finished

833
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: below five hundred in their league, but their numbers are

834
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: better than the mid major won their league? Like, are

835
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: we are we doing the take the best teams, the

836
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: most talented teams? Are we doing the Hey, they've had

837
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: a good season. Thing? Because with regards to Miami of Ohio,

838
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: we can get we can get to miam of Ohio.

839
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: There's a myriad of schools, but it's just like there's

840
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: it's not minam Ohio wouldn't be competitive with the Miami Hurricanes.

841
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: They just wouldn't. Like one team's a ten million dollar team.

842
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: One team is probably, I don't know, million five?

843
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably, So you think there are two. I mean,

844
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 6: I know Travis got some money.

845
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: I do know they have some money. I don't know

846
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: where the money is in the team. I haven't. I

847
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: don't know them much. I mean, they got everybody back

848
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: from a winning team.

849
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 6: So my guess is they were offered some money last year,

850
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 6: right Like they weren't.

851
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: They weren't a bottom feeder in the MAC.

852
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 6: They were the second best team in the MAC, and

853
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 6: everybody came back. So my guess is, yeah, I mean

854
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 6: I feel.

855
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: Like you look at their top players, what do you

856
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: think that really looks like financially the top six players

857
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: for them?

858
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, for them, I think you know you overpay to

859
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 6: keep them. You're gonna have to overpay to retain all

860
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 6: those guys, I would assume, because.

861
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't. Every kid is different. Sometimes you don't,

862
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, I think the biggest Southern. I was at

863
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: Charleston Southern last night.

864
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 6: And uh and one of the coaches there told me

865
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Speaker 6: their two best players still be a year of eligibility left.

866
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 6: One didn't play last night, and he said, combined, they've

867
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Speaker 6: already been offered about one point two one point three

868
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 6: between the two of them at Charleston Southern. Now, again,

869
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 6: good players probably you know, probably go high major.

870
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

871
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 6: I would guess yeah, somewhere in that. If you told

872
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 6: me one to five, you told me two five, I

873
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 6: wouldn't be shocked either. For Miami University only because again

874
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 6: I think they retained everybody, and that's really, really, really

875
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 6: hard to do.

876
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: It's interesting because there's there's another team that's retained everybody

877
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: in the valley in Illinois State, and they've struggled this year.

878
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: So the idea of bringing everyboduck sounds good. About thousand

879
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: what about thousand? Pat Scary Bright is two best players back.

880
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 6: Probably paid them ninety percent of their total payroll, and

881
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 6: they've sucked this year.

882
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: They were paid first. Yeah, I know. And it's really

883
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: interesting because they took a kid out of our league

884
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: who is at Wright State, who was just awesome defensively,

885
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: and they haven't gotten a ton, a ton out of

886
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: it or a ton out of them. They did just

887
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: beat Elon, who has another kid from our league who

888
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: we recruited, Chandler Cuthrow, who's been amazing this year. But yeah,

889
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's uh, it's it's his name, Jack Dumbia.

890
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: There's like six'. SIX i, mean HE'S i would, say

891
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: let's get back to your eleven eleven and five and a.

892
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: Half let's get back Here bossom. Defensive, YEAH i.

893
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 6: Like your point, early which, is what do you do

894
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 6: like if if you're the, committee are you taking the?

895
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 6: Mids you? Know to, ME i think you need a

896
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 6: certain amount of mid major at. LARGEST i just. DO

897
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 6: i think it's good for the. TOURNAMENT i think it's

898
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 6: good For i'm not saying again we. ALL i think

899
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 6: we all agree with how the tournament should play.

900
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: Out. Right we want the.

901
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 6: Cinderellas in the first weekend last, year it wasn't a

902
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 6: great first. Weekend we need more, cinderellas we need more opposets.

903
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 6: Early but when we get to the leave eight final,

904
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 6: four we want the big.

905
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Boys well it wasn't but it wasn't a good first

906
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: weekend because of the disparity and the money and the

907
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: disparity and the. Talent, yes the is it a. Chasm

908
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: it is a. Chasm the space between the two has grown, whiter,

909
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: right has grown. Whiter and, sure REMEMBER i remember last, year,

910
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: kid you Can i'll just a Kid i'll just give

911
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: You obviously last year we weren't very. Good but when

912
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: we Had Anthony, ROY i, mean he was. Talented he

913
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: could give you thirty a. Night. Right so we Play

914
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Ohio state and we cut it to eight late in

915
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: the second half and we're getting and you, know one

916
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: of my assistants had been, on, hey we need to

917
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: what's Why i'm forgetting what's the point guard's. Name he's

918
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: really really, Good Bruce. Thorton so like my whole thing was,

919
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: like we are terrible at putting two on the. Ball

920
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: we are not double Teaming Bruce. Thorton we can hedge and,

921
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: recover we can flat, hedge we can we can, switch

922
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: but we are not doubling because he will exploit us

923
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: on the back. End we're just too slow and and

924
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: he'll kill us four on three, anyway and then of,

925
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: course eight minutes to go in the, game they call

926
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: time out And i'm, like, hey what if we them?

927
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Up what if we just trap a ball? Screen and

928
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: then it was. Over, Anyway we're sitting in the locker

929
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: room afterwards And I'm i'm you, Know i'm so. Upset like, Eight,

930
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: So Howse state we had them, Reeling they couldn't Guard,

931
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: anthony they couldn't guard their, actions and then we just

932
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: got our doors blown. Off and THEN i WENT i

933
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: played my bench at the, end and they, all you,

934
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: know they all tried to show they belonged and they got.

935
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: Worse and one of my, Assistants Eric, sanders comes up and, goes,

936
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: coach we got ninety five, grand this, team they got

937
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: three hundred three. Million what'd you think was gonna? Happen,

938
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah AND i was, like, yeah but you can't think that.

939
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: Way and so when THE ncaa tournament bracket came, OUT

940
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: i just went through AND i did pick McNeice because

941
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: mcneise had more. MONEY i forget who they, played, RIGHT

942
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: i just picked who had the most, money and they all.

943
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: Won SO i get. Again my thing is, like are

944
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: we going to do this thing where we're, like, man,

945
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: there they're a really good team in the whatever, league

946
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: but and so they belong in when we know the

947
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: other teams are.

948
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 6: BETTER i, mean you're right in a and it's even, like,

949
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 6: okay before the difference was, yes the hime age would

950
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 6: still get most of the best, kids but you could

951
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 6: keep a kid for a couple years at minimum if

952
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 6: you if you, evaluated developed them.

953
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: While The, Zerbiak Steph, Curry harold the Show. Arsenal you,

954
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: know these guys weren't freshmen At Weber. State part of it.

955
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 6: Was and part of, It doug, Was let's face, it back,

956
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 6: then you had to sit. Out you had to sit

957
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 6: and that was one where a lot of kids just

958
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 6: did not want to sit. Out and, now like you,

959
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 6: said the other thing somebody told me THAT i found

960
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 6: interesting was a coach told me this.

961
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: RECENT i can't remember who it. Was they, said like.

962
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 6: In the old, days it was, okay you only had

963
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 6: a certain amount of schools that were really.

964
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Cheating let's face.

965
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 6: It LIKE i don't know what that number, was let's

966
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 6: call it twenty percent for argument's sake of, okay three

967
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 6: fifty three. Sixty now everybody's cheating in a sense that

968
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 6: everybody's got. Money everybody's got something Like South carolina might

969
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 6: not have been cheating fifteen twenty years. Ago well now

970
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 6: they've got four million as opposed to like last NIGHT

971
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 6: i Saw Charleston, southern they've got this, Much, doug this.

972
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 6: Much so like everybody's cheating in a sense compared To Charleston,

973
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 6: southern they wouldn't have to go up against you, know

974
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 6: two hundred schools that have money before they would go

975
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 6: up that ten percent or whatever it.

976
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: Was that would be.

977
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 6: Cheating, yeah but they weren't going after A Charleston southern. Kid, yeah,

978
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 6: NO i.

979
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: Know it's it's it's fascinating to see the other thing

980
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: Of mina Of ohio is they didn't play. ANYBODY i,

981
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: mean it's not just that they didn't play. Anybody, HEY

982
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: i understand what people are. Saying you, know they didn't play,

983
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: anybody so like you, TAKE i, mean it is the easiest.

984
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: SCHEDULE i. Know i've ever had this argument With norlander

985
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: in the.

986
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 6: Room you, know we did media mock selection And norlander

987
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 6: goes he's fighting for, him AND i, said, LISTEN i

988
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 6: want them to be in the tournament in the worst.

989
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: WAY i love mid. MAJORS i was going to be.

990
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: In they're going to be in the. Turn.

991
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 6: Yes at that, point they still have like four or

992
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 6: five games regular season games, left and the thought was

993
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 6: if they lose one and lose in the semis of

994
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 6: the of The mac, tournament my and then he went with.

995
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: This he went with the dreaded.

996
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 6: Line he went with a dreaded Line, doug which was

997
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 6: they can't get anybody to play him Bull let me

998
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 6: you know?

999
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: What CAN i swear on? This, no let's let's not

1000
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: bull you know?

1001
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 5: What?

1002
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: Okay SO i was in complete and utter bull. Crap

1003
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: correct correclete not a bull. CAP i know because WE

1004
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: i was trying to get out of one of my

1005
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: games late that we end up winning just BECAUSE i

1006
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: knew we had overdone. It scheduleized, right we'd completely. Overdone,

1007
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: Okay so for people who don't, know let's just make

1008
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: this an educational on mid Major, schedulingay you have you

1009
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: hope that you have a couple of home and. Homes.

1010
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: NOW i inherited four years of a deal on a

1011
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: home and home With Saint, thomas WHICH i immediately asked

1012
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: to get out. OF i, SAID i don't ever want

1013
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: to play them. Ever and my athletic directors like they're

1014
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: just you, know they're like third in the. Summit some, money.

1015
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: Dude they got, money, dude they got. Money johnny's an awesome.

1016
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: Coach they have a. System they recruit to the, system

1017
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: that's what they. Do and if you Beat Saint, thomas nobody.

1018
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: Cares if you lose The saint who they. Are nobody

1019
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: knows who they are in The Virgin. Islands they think,

1020
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: no or they think They're division three. Team last year

1021
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: we lost, him like you lost Your division three, Teams like,

1022
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: no they're going to win The Summit, League like what

1023
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: are you? Talking met Their division three? Team like, no

1024
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: they're not so, Anyway SO i inherited that, one, Okay

1025
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: and you, KNOW i proceeded to just make bad decision

1026
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: after bad decision my first year, schedule like, yeah that sounds,

1027
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: good let's do. That, oh let's let's go To Santa.

1028
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: Barbara that's, amazing not realizing it took us eighteen hours

1029
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: to get. There and then he broke his, ankle you,

1030
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: Know and then we had to plan this year and

1031
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: they HAVE i don't, know five six times the money

1032
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: that we. Have, right so you have home and homes

1033
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: the gold for mid, majors okay is home and, Homes

1034
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: home and, homes. Yep and then you have to make the,

1035
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: decision all, Right AM i going to play a by

1036
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: game or? Two and at our, level you, know it's

1037
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: up To oakland place seven by. Games we played three this.

1038
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: Year and then you have THE mte, events which you

1039
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: can host by. Yourself you host by. Yourself you have

1040
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: to pay the other teams to come to your, place

1041
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: or you have to go to. One we went to

1042
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: THE Us Virgin, islands where we were a massive underdog

1043
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: in every game that we, played and we end up

1044
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: winning two of.

1045
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 6: Them so let's look at their. Schedule first thing Is Virgin,

1046
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 6: huh what's the money? Situation go to one of those.

1047
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: Mpts so The Barse islands deal is it basically costs

1048
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: you about one hundred, grand cost you about one hundred

1049
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: grand for three. Games and you're, like, well how does

1050
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: it cost? Entagrams, well THEY i think you get you

1051
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: get the hotel. Rooms AND i don't. THINK i think

1052
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: you pay for pay per. Game you pay it buy

1053
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: in per. Game, no, no, no you don't pay for

1054
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: anything for the. Tournament it's it's more yet to pay

1055
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: for the flights and the flights and the. Food, yeah

1056
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: play fight flights and. Food so and the food it.

1057
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: Racks you're, Like you're, like how much can it? Beat

1058
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: you're down there for a, week you, know three meals a,

1059
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: day and we didn't know which it's not my job to,

1060
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: know but it is my. Job we had we didn't

1061
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: know that we could eat outside of the. Hotel so

1062
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: the food is really good at the, hotel but we

1063
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: had all hotel. Moved, yeah you got twenty five twenty

1064
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: five grown, boys you, KNOW i mean you got fifteen

1065
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: plus you got six. Staff you end up like twenty

1066
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: two to twenty five, people three meals a day for a.

1067
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: Week you do the, math it adds. UP i think

1068
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: it ended up being about fifty all in. Cast we

1069
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: probably spent one, hundred which for our level a. Lot that's.

1070
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: Rough that's a. Lot it's not because you're playing three.

1071
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: Games now you get the extra game THE. Mte so

1072
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: but what you could we could have done was we

1073
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: could have played just two by games and made two

1074
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. Dollars so it's actually like a three hundred

1075
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Loss. Right my thing about my my schedule

1076
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: was done because there were games in which we were

1077
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: supposed to lose and we weren't getting to make money on, them,

1078
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: right and then we had no, Chance, like if you're

1079
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: going to play a, game you have no chance at

1080
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: least get paid for. It you need, to, yes, Right

1081
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: so we Buff buffalo in their league bought. Us who

1082
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: else bought, us is Your kansas bought, us and something

1083
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: else bought US A minnesota bought, us and we we parried.

1084
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: Them we paired The minnesota one with The Saint thomas

1085
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: one BECAUSE i couldn't get out Of Saint. Thomas and

1086
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: to make matters, BETTER i was, told which is actually,

1087
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: worse we Played Saint thomas at home first, year road this,

1088
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: year road next, year and then home the final year

1089
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: of the. Deal so we, said all, right if we're

1090
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: going to go up and Play Saint, thomas let's Play

1091
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: Saint thomas and then Play, minnesota same, trip save, money,

1092
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: smart you, know and maybe we can compete in. One

1093
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: we thought we could maybe compete in The Saint thomas. Game,

1094
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: literally we. Know we Took minnesota to overtime After Saint

1095
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: thomas beat the brains out of, Us, right so you

1096
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: start to put together with. Dates and then we played

1097
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: two non d. Ones in the, past we'd only played

1098
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: one non d, one AND i, pushed and people in

1099
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: our league had pushed for, two, three. FOUR a lot

1100
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: of the leagues they played four non d. Ones but, like,

1101
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: LOOK i don't love it. EITHER i like. IT i

1102
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: don't love it, either BUT i will tell you, like,

1103
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: again how is that any different than high majors playing

1104
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: us in guarantee. Games it's. NOT i just think there's

1105
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: got to be a.

1106
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 6: Cutoff. Though there's got to be a. Cutoff there are

1107
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 6: a certain amount OF d one. Schools you should all

1108
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 6: be playing each, other AND i, LIKE i don't understand.

1109
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 6: IT i don't, know play them in, exhibitions but like

1110
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: it should BE d one schools only PLAY d one

1111
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 6: schools during the regular. Season you want to pay. Them

1112
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 6: they want to make the little extra. Money play you

1113
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 6: win the preseason and. Exhibitions, fine fine.

1114
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: On your when you're starting the year with a three

1115
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: by your, name three hundred, BY i don't. Care play other.

1116
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: Threes they want to win games, Too so play each.

1117
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: Other you gotta if you play, like here's what happens

1118
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: when you Play. Kansas they kicked the crap at he's

1119
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: so bad your kids think they can't play basketball. Anymore

1120
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: that's what. Happens they're, like, coach we couldn't go. Anywhere

1121
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: we could they they were. There we back, cut they were.

1122
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: There we read the screen, right they were. There they

1123
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: were and they were, There like it was like how

1124
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: many guys they have on the. Court the hell's going? On,

1125
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: coach it looks like. Five But i'm not saying the

1126
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: guy don't. Play and Then darren and Then, Darren Darren.

1127
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: Peterson preston mriger is my senior point, guards fifth year,

1128
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: seniors tremendous defensive. Player end of the first. Half i'll

1129
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: say you the. Clip it's. Awesome he's in A stanzas

1130
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: one for. Flight he goes one on. One he just

1131
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: rise ever like there's nothing you can. Do he's just

1132
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: a better basketball. Player, yes it's just nothing you can.

1133
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: DO i get it.

1134
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 6: Again i'm not telling you to Play kansas every night.

1135
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: Again start this.

1136
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 6: Season start this, season play some like teams and you

1137
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 6: don't have to.

1138
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: Play why do you have? One? No because, yeah well

1139
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: you have to make money and then you got to win.

1140
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: Games and if you make, money you ain't gonna win those.

1141
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: GAMES i JUST i, like IF i, was IF i was,

1142
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: Great campy who plays Two nani ones by four, exhibitions

1143
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: then play four exhibitions before the season and play because

1144
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: here's what. Happens here's what. Happens, okay, again camp he

1145
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: gets away with it because he's a he's an institution. There,

1146
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: yes he's an. Institution but like we opened up one in,

1147
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: five okay At, kansas. UH i think we came home

1148
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: and played at A nandy, one and then we played At.

1149
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: Buffalo they shot forty one free. THROWS i mentioned they

1150
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: shot forty one free. Throws forty one free, throws AND

1151
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: i didn't EVEN i end up as a, dope like

1152
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: you don't know what your team is or in the

1153
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: year just, now and is my second leading score at thirdly.

1154
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: SCORE i even play him that game because he wasn't

1155
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: yet playing. Defense so, anyway lose To, buffalo go To Saint,

1156
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: thomas lose that, game go To, minnesota lose that, game

1157
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: or one in one in, four one and, five and

1158
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: then one and, four and then we go to The

1159
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: Virgin islands and we're down two To yale at the

1160
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: end of the, game end up losing by six having

1161
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: a foul. Late, Right so those were all good teams

1162
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: better than, Us, yeah much much bigger payrolls than. Us

1163
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: and we'd kind of figured some stuff out Against, minnesota

1164
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: clearly figured some stuff out Against, yale but we're still

1165
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: one in. Five and when you're trying to sell people on,

1166
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: HEY i hear you pretty GOMOCH i hear. YOU i

1167
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: just think there can be a line.

1168
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 6: Drawing that's ALL i would say is, okay then one

1169
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 6: maximum one NON d one like throughout The division one.

1170
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: In our league and our league day do it THROUGH d.

1171
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 6: One make THE ncaa make a rule on, this you

1172
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 6: can only play a certain, amount because, YEAH i, Mean

1173
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 6: i've Seen San Diego state do it for years And i'm,

1174
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 6: like come, on like whether it's fish Or, dutch, like.

1175
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Here what the hell are we?

1176
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: Doing you're you're a great. Program once they get to that,

1177
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: LEVEL i don't THINK i don't think you need to do.

1178
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: IT i think it's it's really two fifty and. Below

1179
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where you are because you got

1180
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: you got to get a couple just to get some

1181
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: confidence going and to work on some. Things we did

1182
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: this and last, year of, course we lost To Michigan,

1183
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: tech which is one of the Best division twos in the,

1184
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: country and we had a series of things go. Wrong

1185
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: otherwise we win the game fifteen points or, whatever and

1186
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: that was like their Super bowl because you got their

1187
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: best player as A Green bay, kid and you know,

1188
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: what you lose that game and literally you think the

1189
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: world's coming to an, end, Right like nobody cared that

1190
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: my best player broke his ankle the game, before that

1191
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: my point guard got a concussion in the, game or

1192
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: THAT i had another go skitzo, whatever like nobody.

1193
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 6: Cares they scheduling last, Year doug was easy for. YOU

1194
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 6: i remember when you got the. Job but everybody's LIKE

1195
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 6: i tweeted. THIS i THINK i tweeted, this and it was.

1196
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 6: Real i've never had more coaches reach out to me, ever,

1197
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 6: ever ever for somebody's phone. Number they were, like can

1198
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 6: you give Me gottle his phone? Ever if we want

1199
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 6: to schedule him so, Bad, sure one fifteen and we'll

1200
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 6: play it. Now and now nobody wants to play right.

1201
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: Now it's.

1202
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 6: Now it is absolutely. Different BUT i think, again, ultimately to,

1203
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 6: me IF i Was Travis steele and it worked for, him,

1204
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 6: listen the bottom line is kind of like it worked

1205
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 6: for Tj atzolberger At Iowa state where he's scheduling these

1206
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 6: three hundreds and beating the absolutely piss out of. Them

1207
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 6: it worked For Travis steel because if he had Scheduled

1208
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 6: Saint mary's or even tooisand or some of these schools and,

1209
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 6: lost we wouldn't be talking about him as an at large.

1210
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: Nobody, listen, listen all these teams you're gonna do. It

1211
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: they're going to try to do. It. Now you want

1212
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: to have the, money they don't have the. Money it

1213
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: takes so much money to agreed agreed for people to, understand,

1214
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: okay that they, played they had AN. MT i believe

1215
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: they had their OWN. Mt, Right so that probably costs,

1216
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: YOU i don't, know one hundred and fifty thousand, dollars,

1217
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: right make it afford, it, okay, Right so if you,

1218
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: have if you if you, came if you bought your

1219
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: team to come, back and you think they're they're they're

1220
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: at one, five, right and now you you played no guarantee, games,

1221
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: right BECAUSE i don't THINK i don't Think Airfoss force bought,

1222
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: them do? You Air force is the only one that probably.

1223
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: Not probably don't think. SO i don't think so we.

1224
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: SHOULD i mean, again every everybody who's, like what WE

1225
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: i should have scheduled Air force like damn, It.

1226
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, no those are the ones you look at and

1227
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 6: everybody's trying to get them out.

1228
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: Everything yeah, No so BUT i would say they're scheduled

1229
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: like they, played they played some other teams here that

1230
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: looks like they. Bought Like i'm guessing they spent probably

1231
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: about three hundred thousand dollars on their.

1232
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 6: Schedule and that's the. Difference that's WHAT i tried to

1233
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 6: Tell norlander is, like that is the. Difference, now here's

1234
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 6: the biggest.

1235
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: Difference here's what Nord lander you need to lay lay

1236
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: in The Nordlander, okay difference In i'll just Take Mile, mater,

1237
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: who'struggling not a tournament team In Oklahoma, State, okay who

1238
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: they had a pathetic non conference schedule as. Well, now

1239
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: they did play At Grand, canyon they won that. Game

1240
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: they PLAYED a AND m who's become a very good

1241
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: team at, HOME i, think and they Beat South florida

1242
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: at home as. Well so those are three actually pretty good.

1243
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: Wins BUT i would say they probably spent seven hundred

1244
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on their. SCHEDULE i think they have seven by.

1245
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: Games that's a healthy. Amount, right they played a terrible

1246
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: Skill the difference is and Their big twelve schedule they

1247
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: kind of lucked into. It they don't go To, kansas

1248
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: they don't go To. Houston, right there's somebody else's. Good

1249
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: i'm not sure if they. GO i don't think they

1250
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: go To Iowa state, either, Right so three absolute losses

1251
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: as kickings they. Avoided but the fact is that you

1252
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: know the big twelves, coming, Right, like you know the

1253
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: big twelves. Coming is it an unfair advantaged shore you're

1254
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: in THE mac they don't go To akron by the,

1255
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: way this year that everybody Knew akron was going to be. Good,

1256
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: yes so you know The max, Coming like you got

1257
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: a put a scalp or two on your, schedule just

1258
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: two of, them and they don't have them, Agreed so

1259
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: he gained the. System he did an amazing. Job like

1260
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: as a head, COACH i would Dream i'm not in

1261
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: any way being critical of the schedule that they. HAVE

1262
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: i WISH i had that right IF i had all

1263
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 1: teams at my, level non conference, Slate oh my, god

1264
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: that's all you could ever ask. For but the caveat

1265
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: is you can't bitch and moan if you don't get

1266
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: in THE ncaa tournament or you don't get the seed

1267
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: that you. Want and he has know what happened when you.

1268
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: Did Jean, TRAVIS i haven't seen him out there because

1269
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: because Because travis knows the. Deal that's. Right, Yeah and

1270
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: he's got a really good. Team that doesn't. Matter they're

1271
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna make the two exactly. Right, now does He you

1272
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: SAID i think he married in some. Money he's got

1273
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: a great. Job, YES i think he leaves for the right.

1274
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: One he's not going to.

1275
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 6: Country he's not going In West, Coast he's not going down.

1276
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 6: South he knows where his bread is. Buttered that is

1277
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 6: clearly in The. Midwest he is. NOT i would be

1278
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 6: beyond What midwest Jobs. Dayton dayton would be the one

1279
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 6: THAT i think If Anthony grant, retires which anybody who

1280
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 6: says they know What Anthony grant is going to, DO.

1281
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: I look at him AND i AND i, say you're a.

1282
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: Liar you're a.

1283
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 6: Liar the only people that know What Anthony grant's going

1284
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 6: to do to me Is Anthony grant and his, family

1285
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 6: and is.

1286
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: Immediate the more will. More Maybe, billy Maybe billy, Knows Maybe.

1287
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: Billy billy's Pretty. Bill by the, Way billy's busy trying

1288
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: to tank right.

1289
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 6: Now all, Right, so BUT i think to, Me dayton

1290
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 6: is the one that fits him the.

1291
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: Most right Like Ohio, state.

1292
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 6: If it, opened if he could get, IT i still

1293
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 6: think that job goes to T J otselberger if if

1294
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 6: he wants, it if he wants, it and it. Opens

1295
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 6: so it's two things. Here Jake deebler is fighting to get.

1296
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 6: In it's going to go right down to the. WIRE

1297
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 6: i think If jake gets in the, tournament he's. Fine,

1298
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 6: obviously if he's, Not Ross biork has a decision to

1299
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 6: make after two, years it's he the right guy or.

1300
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 6: Not and then immediately you're calling to try to GET

1301
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 6: Tj alzenburger To.

1302
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: Columbus why WHY? Tj just because he's? AWESOME i, mean, yeah,

1303
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: OKAY i didn't know if there was a tie there That,

1304
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: no there's no.

1305
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 6: TIE i just think that's a job that fits. Him

1306
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 6: like he doesn't want a basketball you, know, LISTEN i

1307
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 6: in full. Disclosure you, know you Know talia just graduated From.

1308
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 6: Indiana she was there last. YEAR i called him last.

1309
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 6: Year i'm, like come, on we got to get you To.

1310
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 6: Indiana i've had three brutal years With Mike, Woodson LIKE

1311
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 6: i need one good year here to finish. Off you,

1312
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 6: know tell you his, uh you, know.

1313
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: A deal In.

1314
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 6: Indiana but he doesn't want the Fish. Bowl he wants no.

1315
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 6: Point he Loves Iowa state loves it and Loves.

1316
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: Jamie why would he leave to go To Ohio state

1317
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: because him may not?

1318
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 6: Resources, YEAH i THINK i think that's one of the

1319
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 6: few jobs that would appeal to him, because, yes the.

1320
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 6: RESOURCES i also wonder how much Longer Jamie pollock is

1321
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 6: going to do this That iowa. State do you know

1322
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 6: how much that means to?

1323
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: It do you? THINK i? MEAN i, THINK. TJ i

1324
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: think it's in my. State would be would be a, landing,

1325
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: Agreed but he's not. One when when's that?

1326
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 6: Opening, well not this, year in a couple of years, maybe,

1327
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 6: YES i.

1328
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: Mean you're Talking wisconsin and you're Talking marquet or either either.

1329
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: One either. ONE i don't think either either. Opening they're

1330
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: not opening this. YEAR i don't think they're opening next.

1331
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: Year that's What i'm.

1332
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 6: Saying So Ohier, state if it popped this, year it's

1333
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 6: like the only. One and there aren't a lot of movable.

1334
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 6: Coaches that's what people don't. Understand there. Are there are

1335
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 6: not a lot of movable head. COACHES i HAVE i

1336
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 6: have one more that would that would fit. Fit T. J, okay.

1337
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 5: Go.

1338
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: Ahead how long is that going to do? It? YEAH

1339
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: i mean till a doctor tells him he can't. That

1340
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: that's WHAT i always say with this, though right, listen you,

1341
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: KNOW i gotta tell You mark is doing an awesome

1342
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: job In, detroit and they're trying to mirror the, style,

1343
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: right playing with two, bigs playing, fast super physical Like

1344
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: i'm Sure Mark montgomery's trying to put himself as that. Guy,

1345
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 1: yeah and it wouldn't. Be but if there's a guy

1346
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: who plays the type of physical Defense midwest, guy, OH

1347
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: tj would be great. There he'd be great.

1348
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 6: There but, yes but, AGAIN i THINK tj is so

1349
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 6: smart AND i don't know IF i ever saw this

1350
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 6: coming twenty five years ago WHEN i first MET.

1351
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: TJ i think he's matured a.

1352
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 6: LOT i think his understanding, is why the hell WOULD

1353
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 6: i want to Follow tom is Though i'm not doing,

1354
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 6: That no, chance no chance. Whatsoever i'll follow the guys

1355
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 6: At Ohio.

1356
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: State, yeah but you, know but, yeah but they really.

1357
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: CARE i, KNOW i get. It you can't leave a place. Like,

1358
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: no they always CARED i Was, Date, yeah but not

1359
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: like they always CARED i Was. Tate well you got

1360
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: to win, enough but, yes, yes, No i'm telling you

1361
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: they always Cared Iowa state and not maybe to the

1362
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: level that they do, now but they've always that's a

1363
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: place where they always give a.

1364
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 6: Damn it just Is and can can you AND i

1365
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 6: have a? Compliment, hey can we have a. CONVERSATION i

1366
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 6: don't want to take this.

1367
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: In a totally different direct ofver you.

1368
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 6: Want, NO i want to BECAUSE i want your opinion on,

1369
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 6: this BECAUSE i have SOME i have more info than

1370
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 6: most On Darren peterson and you played them AND i

1371
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 6: still don't HAVE i can't say.

1372
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: EVERYTHING i was told by a parent of a high level, recruit,

1373
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: okay that the that they they talk or, whatever and

1374
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: that the cramping thing is.

1375
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 6: Real, well here's WHAT i was told. THAT i said

1376
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 6: this the other. NIGHT i finally said it the other.

1377
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 6: Night there was an episode in the preseason with a

1378
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 6: cramping that it was really, bad really, bad like full body. Cramps,

1379
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 6: Okay AND i think that has freaked them. OUT i

1380
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 6: think that has freaked them out to where it's now,

1381
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 6: mentally he can't get through.

1382
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: It he can't handle it right well, though he it's so.

1383
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: Again let me let me. Fact let me put two

1384
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: things together, here, okay, okay first thing IS i have a,

1385
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: Player my, Player Preston, ringer we Beat Robert morris at.

1386
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: Home he was. Cramping he had the ball in his

1387
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: hands and all of a sudden he fell down and

1388
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: they laid the ball in. Right he had two, yes

1389
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: come he's. Cramping so and he's, cramped and we. Did

1390
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: we've done, everything like he's constantly drinking pickle. Juice he

1391
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: goes to GET ivs that doesn't seem to. Work the

1392
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: packers gave him some medication or whatever because they thought

1393
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: it was neuromuscular or. Whatever like literally trying everything and during,

1394
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: timeouts Like i'm constantly monitoring. It during, timeouts it's, like,

1395
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: Okay i'm. GOOD i don't know if he like feels

1396
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: it and he knows it feels it might be coming.

1397
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: On that's when, everybody we all start to freak. Out

1398
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: SO i completely understand the freaking out. Thing and then

1399
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: this happens with guys with ankle. Injuries there were guys

1400
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: that go down with an ankle injury and it's not that,

1401
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: bad but they freak out because either one low paying

1402
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: thresholder too they've hurt their ankle and then less not,

1403
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: again and then they get, Like i'm actually, okay and

1404
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: So I'm i'm and a lot.

1405
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 6: Of them can battle through. IT a lot of them

1406
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 6: can battle through, it. Right So i'm here's WHAT i was.

1407
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 6: Told like The oklahoma stake came, right he was awesome

1408
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 6: in the first. Half he doesn't play, Right so when

1409
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 6: he goes to take himself, out it's because he felt

1410
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 6: like he found what it felt one coming on and

1411
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 6: and that's why he took himself out of the. Game

1412
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 6: his dad originally probably told them to do this, right

1413
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 6: like protect, yourself protect.

1414
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: You NOW i think it's become. HIM i think it's become,

1415
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: well we've all but this is part of the issue

1416
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: with THE. Nba but why not tell here's my, Take,

1417
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: doug here's my one. Thing And i've tried with the,

1418
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: Dad i've tried with their Agent, motts AND i know

1419
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: the kid AND i was supposed to go down there

1420
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: two weeks. AGO i saw, THEM i the, agent Like

1421
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: i've months FOR i. KNOW i know it's, crazy, right

1422
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: thirty five years, whatever, anyway go. Ahead SO i was supposed.

1423
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: TO i was going down to Watch kansas. PLAY i always.

1424
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: Stay two weeks, ago two weeks ago From.

1425
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 6: Saturday AND i was all set to sit down with

1426
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 6: the kid before Through kansas set up.

1427
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: AGAIN i know the kid Like.

1428
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 6: I'm probably the only one who actually the kid feels

1429
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 6: comfortable talking to you because if a, YOU i talked to,

1430
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 6: him we've done interviews or. Whatever, well it was polled last,

1431
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 6: minute and my take on this is not, listen you

1432
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 6: don't need to talk to. Me AND i talked to

1433
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 6: the kid off the record the night before at the

1434
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 6: hotel and he was excited to do.

1435
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: It we were going to do it the next. Week

1436
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: we had postponed.

1437
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 6: It at that point THE dat had pulled, it said

1438
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 6: it was too, Quick SO i, said all, right let's

1439
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 6: do it next, week which was last. Week never, happened never.

1440
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 6: Materials my take, is sit down with, anybody. Somebody let

1441
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 6: this kid be a human that people, see that people hear.

1442
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 6: From unless you are really trying to hide, something which

1443
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 6: maybe they're trying to hide this what went. On why

1444
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 6: THE nba teams are all going to find out about

1445
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 6: it at some.

1446
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: Point, Yeah i'm with, you was sunlight is the greatest.

1447
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: Disinfectant that's The, YEAH i gave you a question from

1448
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: A Supreme court justice Scot you can quote me if you,

1449
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: want but sunlight is the Greatest i'm not quoting. You

1450
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: i'm Gonna i'm going to find out who said it

1451
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: and quote. Them, okay biggest job that will come open this,

1452
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: YEAR i think it'll end up being LIKE i think

1453
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: it'll end up being a surprise. One, yeah of, Course

1454
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: that's WHY i think it could be a surprise to,

1455
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: you because you know these things are coming that.

1456
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 6: It could be like what if what if Either Nate

1457
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 6: oates Or Todd golden go to Another Final? Four did they?

1458
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 6: POP i, MEAN i guess the biggest job that.

1459
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: Will where they Get where's they where are they going to?

1460
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: Go they're already making a crazy amount of. Money, yeah

1461
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: you don't turn down AN nba. Job you think AN

1462
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: nba team is going to hire an Eight oats Or Todd?

1463
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 6: GOLDEN i, mean, yeah if They If Todd golden goes

1464
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 6: back to, BACK i mean the last guy that went

1465
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 6: back to, back that was the he had an, opportunity

1466
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 6: he took it and then he renegged on. It but

1467
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 6: the biggest, One i'll go with, This the biggest one

1468
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 6: from a standpoint that could really impact college basketball Is

1469
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 6: oregon by, far Because oregon if they want, to if

1470
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 6: they want to in this day and age With Phil.

1471
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: Knight how old is he? Now IF i eighty seventy eighty,

1472
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: eight something like.

1473
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 6: That if if you're the next coach At, oregon, You,

1474
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 6: doug if you If oregon hires you and you're interviewing At,

1475
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 6: oregon wouldn't you, like, Hey, phil here's the deal, Man,

1476
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 6: like you're not getting any younger at this.

1477
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: Point i'm gonna bring you a national. Title give me

1478
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a Scot, yeah, yeah. Exactly let's go

1479
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: give me one, shot give me one shot With. MARTHA

1480
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: i guess here's the, question, though like who if you're

1481
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: not going to do it For.

1482
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 6: DANA i don't Think dana wanted. IT i don't Think

1483
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 6: dana wanted. THAT i don't not all. IN i don't

1484
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 6: think he wanted all.

1485
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: IN i. DON'T i.

1486
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 6: Don't you, know these old, guys they don't want. It

1487
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 6: they're forced to do it at the end when it's

1488
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 6: LIKE i have no other.

1489
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: Choice, Wow dana has done it differently for a long. Time,

1490
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: anyway when he had, stubs like those guys recruit the

1491
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: team he just. Coached you guys know WHAT i, Want

1492
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: just go get. Them i'll coach, him, Right and SO

1493
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: i don't THINK i don't. KNOW i Think Dane altman's

1494
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 1: is good a basketball coach as we have in the. Sport,

1495
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: yeah and so it's mean and and Shel staid's not

1496
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: being there right that that's. That, yeah they've been injured for.

1497
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: Years they've been. Injured it feels like every. Year, yes

1498
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: so you, know might hear you that's a that's a

1499
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: bigger job for a year two Then syracuse Is syracuse coming?

1500
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: Open like what are they doing with? You, yeah but

1501
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: it's not a great. Job it's not a great. Job

1502
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: why isn't a great.

1503
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 6: Job, well the resources aren't. There they're, behind they're. Behind

1504
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 6: the fan base is, there but like you, know it's

1505
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 6: all about it a better resource than. Anybody they can

1506
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 6: put forty thousand people in the building any. Night they

1507
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 6: can make that. Money uh didn't they haven't done.

1508
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: It they cut up.

1509
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 6: Ahon let it get to this point where like even

1510
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 6: early in il, well the only person that was getting

1511
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 6: paid really Was buddy, Behind like they were, behind they're.

1512
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 6: Behind and Wild, HACK i MEAN i worked for. Him

1513
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 6: it's AT, Espn like it probably wasn't the right guy

1514
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 6: for that. Job, Yeah i'm not buying that he. Was

1515
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:22,799
Speaker 6: he retired.

1516
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: Right, no, Agree i'm not buying. That his right hand

1517
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: guy retired, either same. Time they both just. Retired oh my,

1518
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: god this is so. Crazy it just happens to happen

1519
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: when the basketball program is a.

1520
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 6: Mess you, Know memphis could. OPEN i Think penny gets one.

1521
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 6: MORE i mean he had a great regular season a year.

1522
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 6: Ago It's penny hardaway like another year of this and,

1523
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 6: YEAH i think they, Would they would go TO i

1524
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 6: think it's you know that what the deal?

1525
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 1: Is, so so what does shirts want BECAUSE i think

1526
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: he wants to see what if anything bigger?

1527
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 6: Opens then, again you're looking at the, list isn't exactly

1528
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 6: who's who?

1529
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: Here? Right you might probably going to Have i'll read

1530
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: him off.

1531
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 6: HERE i Mean Arizona state not, Great Boston college, Awful.

1532
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 6: Providence they got to pay him nine. Million we'll see

1533
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 6: if they do It syracuse.

1534
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: To get rid Of. KIM i just. Don't you don't

1535
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: think they. Will, no it's three, years a lot of.

1536
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: Money it's a lot of. MONEY i don't. Think so

1537
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: fan base can't stand, him but, OKAY i can't stand

1538
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't. WIN i just just so are. Aware

1539
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: so there's there's never been a popular losing. Coach then

1540
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: when they get fired like he was a great, GUY

1541
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: a great, Guy, okay keep. Going i'm.

1542
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 6: Sorry Georgia tech probably, GONE lsu could go either. Way

1543
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 6: not a great, job okay. JOB i don't see what

1544
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 6: way going back? There but who. Knows pittsburgh fifteen, million

1545
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 6: bile fifteen that's a lot they're trying to you, know

1546
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 6: see IF i.

1547
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: Agree i've been Told jeff's is not going. Anywhere, yeah

1548
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,839
Speaker 1: they already have plans that like they've, met have, plans

1549
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: have the money for next. Year but, anyway go, Ahead

1550
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: Wes miller, Gone cincinnati. Gone you know they're winning.

1551
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 6: NOW i don't think it, matters nothink it matters too,

1552
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 6: little too. Late oklahoma could go either. Way i'd say probably,

1553
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 6: gone but could go.

1554
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: Direct eflec, director although he's not really a sports guy

1555
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: so youngird, ONE i could see him being.

1556
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 6: Gone and then the The iffi's Are, Memphis Ohio state

1557
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 6: and the two good. ONES i mean those are those

1558
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,799
Speaker 6: are probably the two most attractive jobs that we mentioned

1559
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 6: so far in a.

1560
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: WAY i Mean memphis Your. FedEx all you got.

1561
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 6: To do is call with the right people At FedEx

1562
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 6: every day and they're on board with. You he's got

1563
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 6: to play the game a little, bit And Ohio state's

1564
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,839
Speaker 6: got the shot In. Steins they got. Money. Now football

1565
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 6: obviously reigned, supreme we know, that but there's enough left

1566
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 6: over for basketball to have. ENOUGH i, Mean deebler got

1567
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 6: paid last. Year they were ahead of the game for

1568
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 6: a lot of. Teams when he took, over they weren't

1569
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 6: good shape. Financially so those are the. Ones then you

1570
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 6: know the ones that are probably okay Now forbes is

1571
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 6: okay awake unless something crazy happens and they keep losing

1572
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 6: them really really bad. Teams rutgers, Okay South carolina could

1573
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 6: go either. Way Mike, Young Virginia tech, Okay Mike, rhodes

1574
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 6: big big buyout Of Penn.

1575
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: State coolly get another, year huge huge.

1576
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 6: Buyout Michael shrewsbury trending in the wrong direction right, now

1577
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 6: but probably poor.

1578
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: Guys best player got. Hurt then he pops his achilles

1579
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: tendon in the. Game, unbelievable. Unbelievable it's the opposite of

1580
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: the luck of The, irish by the, way and then

1581
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: he got a fifty piece at home By duke on

1582
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: the same the best.

1583
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 6: Job that could, open all, right let me give you

1584
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 6: a let me. Revise the best job that will could,

1585
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 6: open is It Rick barnes?

1586
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: Retires? Yeah so what where IS i? MEAN i just Know.

1587
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: RICK i can't See rick doing anything. Else he's done

1588
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: like a huge family is huge For Rick barnes though,

1589
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: HUGE i know it, is but he's kind of been

1590
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: doing this a long time and he kind of. Has

1591
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: he seems to. Have he seems to have made it

1592
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: so that he has a great life like he. Does

1593
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: but he's seventy. One like you say that as if

1594
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: like they're going to go to.

1595
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 6: Eighty like at some point it's going to be the

1596
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 6: year That Rick barnes says like enough is?

1597
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: Enough, okay so is this the? Year as he told people, that,

1598
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: OH i don't know anybody in the.

1599
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 6: SEVENTIES i know my, dad you, know like my dad's,

1600
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 6: older like he's in his eighties. Now but like even

1601
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 6: when when you're in your, SAID i don't want to

1602
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 6: work at seventy one full time.

1603
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: Again but but, now, look everybody's. Different my dad died

1604
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: at seventy. Three but any COACHED aau AND i was,

1605
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: like why you have? Cancer like YOU i didn't want

1606
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: to see you're. Dying but he was clearly. Dying but

1607
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be dead before he was, dead,

1608
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: Right he didn't want to be in His he didn't

1609
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: want to be in his, boxers you, know at eleven

1610
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: and eleven in the, morning you, know shuffling around drinking,

1611
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: coffee talking about you, know talking About President, trump, like, yeah,

1612
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: right you don't want to do. That he wanted To

1613
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: being around kids keeps you, young, Right it just. Does

1614
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: it energizes. You they have, hope they have the whole

1615
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: lives in front of. You, so AND i do think

1616
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: he's that kind of. Guy he's never struck me as

1617
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: one of those curmudgeons LIKE i gotta go do this crap, again, Right,

1618
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: so but that would be a big. One would be

1619
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: would be a very very very very big. One who wins?

1620
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: It who's Your you had to you had to Guess, Michigan. Michigan,

1621
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm gonna Go. Michigan they just have too many

1622
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: ways of beating, you too many and they're exceptionally well, Coached,

1623
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: yes exceptionally well. Coached all, Right, JEFF i appreciate. Joys that's.

1624
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: It It's Jeff Goodman College Basketball. Insider make sure you

1625
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: download and listen to the field of sixty. Eight, okay

1626
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: let's talk SOME nfl. Football it Is Combine, week which

1627
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: means anybody who's anybody in The Nation Football league or

1628
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: has worked in The Nation Football league or covers the

1629
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: Nash Football league is In, Indianapolis. Indiana they're probably getting

1630
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: some very very spicy shrimp cocktail late at night at

1631
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: some point At Saint elmo's and maybe some lunch At.

1632
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: Shapiro's i'm not. Sure Mark dominic is our friend and our,

1633
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: guest and he joins, us of, course former gentlemennager of

1634
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: The Tampay. Buccaneers he spent his entire professional life in

1635
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: The National Football. League, okay help us out because we're

1636
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: just fans and we sit here and you, know kid

1637
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: From Ohio state as a forty three and a half

1638
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: vertical and everybody starts to freak. Out but, you, okay

1639
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: are they work?

1640
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 3: Out?

1641
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: Guys are the actual football? Players how much do the

1642
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: athletic the, lifting the, strength the, speed the, agility how

1643
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: much does that matter in the entire kind of spectrum

1644
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: of what you're putting together for a draft.

1645
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 5: Prospect, Yeah, doug great to be on with, you and

1646
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 5: welcome From, indy right it's like my thirty thirty first

1647
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 5: year Of indianapolis. Combines so it's kind of it's been

1648
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 5: crazy to be here and and kind of see how

1649
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 5: things have, changed but nothing ever. Changes when you see

1650
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 5: a guy Like sunny styles and what he did in

1651
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 5: terms of just the, athleticism and he's already a good football,

1652
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 5: player like a really good football, player like he's obviously

1653
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 5: a top ten pick or a top first round. Pick

1654
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 5: but it just kind of solidifies everything you're hoping you.

1655
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 5: See and when a guy blows up the combine like,

1656
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 5: THAT i, mean he was the buzz of last, night

1657
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 5: like everyone around The National Football league was talking about

1658
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 5: like what he, did and that to, me that wasn't

1659
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 5: some workout, warriors just like, well he's just a workout.

1660
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 5: Warrior that was a guy that's already a good player

1661
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 5: that just proves Like i'm an elite athlete, too and

1662
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 5: so it just helps that much.

1663
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: More.

1664
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 5: SO i think these things all are great for these

1665
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 5: players to be able to like put their resume on.

1666
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 5: Tape the thing that we looked at from FORMER gm

1667
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 5: when we watch a guy work out is if a

1668
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 5: guy ran really fast or a guy runs really, slow

1669
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 5: we would go back to the tape and say what's going,

1670
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 5: On like did that translate to him on the field

1671
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 5: the way that he just worked? Out and that's the

1672
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 5: thing that we really try to use these numbers for

1673
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 5: is like DID i feel that a type of explosion

1674
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 5: AND i feel the type of, burst type of speed

1675
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 5: and if, not because, again as you, know some guys

1676
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 5: don't carry their pads the same. Way some guys carry

1677
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 5: pads and they've become. HEAVY a guy like old school

1678
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 5: and On bolden like ran a bad forty when he

1679
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 5: came out of The National Football league at his pro

1680
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 5: dain and at the, combine but when he got to THE,

1681
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 5: nfl he was uber fast because he never lost any

1682
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 5: speed because in his. Pad so we go back to

1683
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 5: this tape and make sure we measure what we saw.

1684
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: Yesterday, yeah it becomes kind of confirmation, bias, Right, yes

1685
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: if the guy really covers the, field you're, like, well,

1686
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: okay the He's and there are some guys that are.

1687
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: Athletes it doesn't translate in. Football just doesn't same thing in,

1688
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: Basketball like you can be a great athlete and like

1689
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: whatever reason not a basketball athlete doesn't always transfer on the.

1690
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: Court the interviews are a big part of a lot

1691
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: of the. Discussion how valuable are they outside of the quarterback.

1692
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 5: POSITION i think they're fredably. Valuable and here's what we, do,

1693
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 5: right especially the formal. Interviews formal interviews happen At Lucas Oil.

1694
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 5: Stadium all thirty two clubs get a luxury box and

1695
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 5: they bring guys in. Randomly, now, well the players when

1696
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 5: they arrive, here they'll get their list of, Like, okay

1697
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 5: how many formal interviews DO i have and.

1698
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: What time are?

1699
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 5: They the clubs are the combine make sure and make

1700
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 5: make it to each individual.

1701
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: Interview but those are.

1702
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 5: Timed those are twenty minute individual interviews that are fully.

1703
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,919
Speaker 5: Timed here's what's unique about. Them everyone handles them. Differently

1704
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 5: so you could be in front Of Mike, rabel, right,

1705
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 5: who's you, know wildly sarcastic but heavily intimidating and not

1706
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 5: to understand how he handles. It or you might be

1707
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 5: in front of somebody that's like completely like loose And,

1708
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 5: goose Or Andy reid who's like just trying to hug

1709
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 5: you as a.

1710
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: Grandfather.

1711
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 3: Right it's so.

1712
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 5: Different but the thing that we try to do with

1713
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 5: those formal interviews are three things we're looking. For we

1714
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 5: watch your tape and it's all bad, plays, dog that's

1715
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 5: all we. Watch we don't ever watch you like great

1716
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 5: catch on that. Touchdown now it's like why'd you drop this?

1717
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 5: Ball what's happened on this? Route but we want to

1718
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 5: see your, accountability, Right we want to see your, coachability,

1719
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 5: right those two, things and we want to see how

1720
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 5: you handle, like you, know, criticism, right that's the. Thing

1721
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 5: those are the three things we look. At so when

1722
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 5: we watch you in. THERE i was talking to an

1723
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 5: agent last night and he was talking About John. Alton

1724
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 5: John all was stuck in His they made him getting

1725
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 5: his stance and sit there for twenty minutes and is

1726
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 5: like three point stands and answer.

1727
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: Questions like it's it's so. Great so everybody's so.

1728
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 3: Different but those formal interviews help just.

1729
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 5: Kind of like really get to know the young man

1730
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 5: a little bit, more but more it's his football. Knowledge

1731
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 5: those are what those are. For we have informal interviews

1732
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 5: all through the combine where the coaches scouts can sit

1733
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 5: with them for twenty thirty minutes and just kind of

1734
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 5: get to know them as a young. Man but the

1735
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 5: formals are like how do you know football and.

1736
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Why, yeah it's THE iq of your sport is so

1737
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: big in any, sport, right just the understanding kind of

1738
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: the awareness of what's going on and why why things

1739
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: Are like why would we have called? This why why

1740
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:39,480
Speaker 1: would we do? THIS i do wonder though about like defensive,

1741
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: alignment rush ends or, whatever like does it really like

1742
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: if your job is to go kill the, quarterback does

1743
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: it really really? Matter if you can you can break

1744
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,520
Speaker 1: down other things within a football.

1745
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 5: Game and we like to know that they know what's

1746
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 5: going on around, them like do you understand the call

1747
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 5: and what's the overall concept of the? Call to, me

1748
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 5: that was important because you understand the coverage behind you,

1749
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 5: Somewhat so it's going to give you a better sy

1750
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 5: of like what kind of urgency you need to. Have,

1751
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 5: yes every defensive line wants to get there as fast as,

1752
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,560
Speaker 5: possible but if you understand that more than likely the

1753
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 5: ball is going to come out to the left or

1754
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 5: to the, right or underneath to the running back or

1755
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 5: the tight. End because of the way we've drawn up the,

1756
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 5: coverage it kind of gives you a sense of where

1757
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 5: the quarterback might go or where how the quarterback might

1758
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 5: handle that.

1759
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: Play so that's the critical.

1760
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 5: Part you, know you talk about the forty, Time like

1761
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 5: for me on defensive, linemen especially defensive, tackles defensive. Ends

1762
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 5: OBVIOUSLY i didn't worry as much about the forty. TIME

1763
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 5: i worried, about, like you, know how far did they

1764
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 5: get up field when they run their forty on their

1765
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 5: first three steps where they had five, yards six yards

1766
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 5: or seven? Yards like that was a big deal to

1767
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 5: me because obviously you could see how fast you can

1768
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 5: get up the. Field that's more important to me than

1769
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 5: actually like did they run at four to seven?

1770
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: Four, Okay so we've talked about this year not being

1771
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, draft, right and what we've seen over

1772
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: the past couple of years is these, quarterbacks like The

1773
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: Super bowl Champion Sam, donald get new, life get another,

1774
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: opportunity and take advantage of. It not all have been

1775
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: better in their second or third place as they were

1776
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: in their first, place but it definitely has become kind

1777
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: of a, thing right, like if we can't get the

1778
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: rookie that we want and we don't already have a franchise,

1779
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: guy what if we had some guys that's got a

1780
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: little aware on the tires and the ceiling may be

1781
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: lower than initially, thought but the floor is higher because

1782
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: they've played in THE nfl and oftentimes they've played in

1783
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: many of the systems that they're being brought aboard. To

1784
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: let's start With Malik. Willis here's a kid who got

1785
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: a chance to start with The Tennessee, titans and a

1786
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: couple of years in they moved. On he's with The.

1787
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 1: Packers he plays, three he plays a couple of games

1788
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: and plays really really. Well what's his value on the

1789
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: market from your, Perspective.

1790
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 5: YEAH i don't think it's what people. THINK i feel

1791
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 5: like it's being inflated right. Now And i'm not trying

1792
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,839
Speaker 5: to be hard On Malik. WILLIS i just don't think

1793
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 5: that people feel like that's the sixteen seventeen gaming answer

1794
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 5: is something goes. WRONG i think That Millie quills has a,

1795
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 5: market BUT i don't think it's going to be anywhere

1796
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 5: near what we Saw Gino smith get or something like

1797
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 5: that where somebody's, LIKE i think this is the guy

1798
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 5: Or Sam. DONALD i just don't believe. THAT i think

1799
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 5: That Millie quills is like probably a one or two

1800
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 5: year deal where you're, LIKE i think, so But i'm not.

1801
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 5: Sure AND i think it's more of that eight to

1802
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 5: ten million dollar. Range we'll see What milie. GETS i

1803
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 5: may be way off on, this BUT i just feel

1804
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 5: like it's hard the same.

1805
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: Players you, know somebody's gonna overpay for. Him somebody's gonna

1806
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: overpay for, this, RIGHT i, agree because because, again if

1807
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: we if we if we Take Sam, donald and he

1808
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: wasn't the third pick of the, draft so he wasn't

1809
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: THE mvp of The Rose, bowl, Right so he Wasn't Sam.

1810
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: Donald AND i do think that people, go, Oh Sam

1811
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: donald Or Baker, mayfield but we forget That Sam Donald

1812
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: Baker mayfield both went To carolina, first. Right Then donald

1813
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: went To San francisco as a, backup and then he

1814
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 1: ended up In, seattle or, said then he went To,

1815
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: minnesota and only because of injury did he get the

1816
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: opportunity Of. Minnesota and then He so you're talking about three,

1817
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: stops and it was only the third stop where he

1818
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: kind of figured it, out if you, Will and he

1819
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: probably figured out in the second, spot and it was

1820
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: the same offense in the third. Spot and that's how

1821
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: it all. Worked Baker mayfield Was. Panthers people forget The.

1822
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: RAMS i was at That Rams, monday night football game was, Amazing,

1823
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: right he's running two. Minutes he had n't been to

1824
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: practice before they win the. Game but he was the

1825
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: number one overall, pick and he had been a he

1826
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: had had some moments Whereas Malik willis, WAS i think what? Late? First?

1827
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 4: Uh?

1828
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 1: Second third? Round oh he's? Third my? Bad he. Was

1829
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: he was a third round pick and you, know so

1830
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 1: he had some spot. Minutes AND i, Again i'm with,

1831
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: you BUT i also think that there's the juxtaposition of

1832
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: how many first round traffic quarterbacks on your board were

1833
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: there actually be this?

1834
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 5: Year oh there's. One it's Only Fernando. Mendoza Tye sipson's

1835
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 5: the next quarterback that should come off the. Board BUT

1836
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 5: i do not feel like she'll go in the first

1837
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,600
Speaker 5: he could because you, know as you know and we,

1838
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 5: know that's a position that's desperately. NEEDED i think your, point,

1839
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 5: though like On Malik, willis was the league evaluated them

1840
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 5: coming out of college and they've said third. Round the

1841
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 5: league saw, that you, know you had to kind of

1842
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 5: manipulate the game for him a little bit to make

1843
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 5: sure you had. Success i'm proud of, him like he's

1844
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 5: a good. Kid i've met with, him, before and he

1845
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 5: took advantage of what he was, given but it doesn't

1846
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 5: make him turn into a guy That's i'm going to

1847
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 5: give twenty five to thirty million dollars. TO i just

1848
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 5: don't see it that way with. Him BUT i Think

1849
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 5: mendoza is the only. Quarterback he's going number one. Overall

1850
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 5: they can spin it however they. Want people can say

1851
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 5: The raiders are, like, oh, well they're just find the

1852
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 5: best quarterback or whatever they think of. Him there's no choice, Here,

1853
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 5: like The raiders are Taking mendoza and they're not going

1854
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 5: to trade out of that. Pick they need to have,

1855
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 5: him they want to have. Him and so it's going

1856
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 5: to be you, know it's it's that pick's. Done it's

1857
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 5: the rest of the draft that's going to be the

1858
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 5: more interesting. Part when we all get there In, April.

1859
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah it will be, Okay so who are the other

1860
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: who would you go and get as one of those

1861
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: veterans that's hanging around that can either be a placeholder

1862
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: and you can build a roster around around the placeholder

1863
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: while then in future years drafting your future franchise, quarterback

1864
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: or do you think you could actually build with and

1865
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: maybe at a lower salary than the superstar.

1866
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 5: Quarterbacks, YEAH i, Mean i'm going to do the unpopular

1867
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 5: name Of Kirk, cousins but that's who i'd. GRAB i

1868
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 5: would build Around. KIRK i just think that you can

1869
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 5: get a season or two out of him while you

1870
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 5: kind of try to continue to find the quarterback of the.

1871
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 5: FUTURE i think that's the right.

1872
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: Move you.

1873
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 5: Know obviously The falcons and the way they handled everything

1874
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 5: was kind of awkward last, year and it came back

1875
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 5: to haunt not only THE gm but the head. COACH

1876
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 5: i think That Kirk cousins is the guy, that, LIKE

1877
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 5: i feel LIKE i could still be relevant and possibly

1878
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 5: depend on what division he's. In when a division With

1879
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 5: Kirk cousins for sure go to the, PLAYOFFS i think you.

1880
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 5: Can BUT i don't think it's you, KNOW i don't

1881
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 5: think it's a long term. FIX i think is a

1882
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 5: two year. Fix you, know a lot of people ask

1883
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 5: About Kyler. MURRAY i just don't think there'll be a

1884
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 5: market For Kyler. MURRAY i really just. DON'T i don't

1885
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 5: think that it Means gon be like.

1886
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: That's the guy of the. LEAGUE i, mean it's going

1887
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: to be, Close.

1888
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 5: DOUG i think that somebody's going to grab or you,

1889
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:17,799
Speaker 5: know possibly grab.

1890
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Him but what what is? It he doesn't love? Football,

1891
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: YEAH i think everybody.

1892
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 5: Haven't they all told us Like Kyler murray he's obviously,

1893
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 5: undersized which is, whatever but it's. Real but number, two

1894
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 5: it's The Arizona cardinals told you when they wrote that original,

1895
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 5: contract where, like well you got to be here at the,

1896
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 5: facility and then they had to take it out because

1897
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 5: it's so. Embarrassing and then that coach gets fired and

1898
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 5: another coach comes, in another gym comes. In they're, like

1899
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 5: we're going to bench. Him we don't want him on

1900
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 5: the field. Whatsoever so they've told you twice now at,

1901
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 5: least that this this isn't the right. Fit so it's

1902
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 5: hard for me to sit there and, go, boy you,

1903
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 5: know If i'm the whatever, team Like i'm going to

1904
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 5: go Get Kyler murray and we're gonna be. Fine like

1905
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 5: how do you not look at the history and say

1906
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 5: this might be a really poor. Decision so that's the

1907
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 5: NAME i think will be the most. Interesting DO i think,

1908
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 5: again DO i think he's out of? League probably. Not

1909
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 5: DO i think he's making anywhere near That Malik willis

1910
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 5: might make more, money but it's not.

1911
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: Going to be much to A tagama. Law SO i

1912
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: like to of, Better, LIKE i just think the problem

1913
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: With tua is the.

1914
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 5: Fact THAT i know AND i think we talked about,

1915
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 5: this like how do you structure that deal because of

1916
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 5: the concussion, history and that's never really going to go

1917
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 5: away in my, Opinion and SO i Think tua has

1918
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,799
Speaker 5: a much better chance of being a starter in twenty

1919
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 5: twenty six THAN i Think Kyler murray.

1920
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Does it just is fasting on how nothing gets you

1921
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: fired quicker than when the quarterback, stinks gets, hurt contracts,

1922
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 1: overblown you don't handle it, well like right like it's

1923
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: the gift and the. CURSE a great quarterback keeps you

1924
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: gainfully employed for as long as you'd, like and a

1925
01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 1: quarterback that's not as good just gets you, fired get,

1926
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: you get, you gets you absolutely. Fired, okay UH a couple.

1927
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: Others do you think our people in THE nfl do

1928
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: they think the players are any different now as prospects

1929
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 1: because they're coming in well, compensated Right like you're no

1930
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: longer having let me AND i know you understand the,

1931
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: question but let me give you kind of the. Analogy

1932
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: it's like every former athlete THAT i know we all

1933
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: have the same conversation about our own. Kids it's, like

1934
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: these kids have better, training have better, stuff play better

1935
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: in better gyms with better trainers than we ever did.

1936
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Before but what they don't all have is the hunger

1937
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: and desire to make it because we just wanted to make.

1938
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: It some of us made it because we just wanted

1939
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: to make it to prove. Ourselves some people made it

1940
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: because they felt like that was their only way out

1941
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: of a bad family or financial. Situation but there's a

1942
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 1: hunger and a desire to make, it at least in

1943
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: maybe a slightly older. Generation it doesn't mean that hunger

1944
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: and desire to make it isn't there for the new,

1945
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 1: athlete but they have been taken care of in high

1946
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: school and in. College now some of them are coming

1947
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:21,839
Speaker 1: in as multi millionaires into THE. Nfl is DO nfl

1948
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: people believe there's a noticeable difference in the players coming

1949
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: to the? Combine so not, yet?

1950
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 5: RIGHT i, think, like you, KNOW i work with young

1951
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 5: kids as they get ready to go to The Senior

1952
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 5: bowl Or East West shrine or come here to The

1953
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,480
Speaker 5: combine and just kind of give them like the understanding

1954
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 5: of what to expect and how to, handle like some

1955
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 5: tough questions this, year as you were very, aware anil

1956
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 5: changed dramatically from just a year. Ago like a high

1957
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 5: state kid last year might have made fifty seventy five

1958
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 5: thousand Or alabama and this year he's making four hundred

1959
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 5: and five hundred thousand. Dollars it's. INCREDIBLE i think we're

1960
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 5: going to see this more once we get one or

1961
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 5: two more years In doug and say that like racked

1962
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 5: up two or three. Years WHAT i think is fascinating

1963
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 5: That i'm wanting to see how this plays.

1964
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 1: Out is.

1965
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 5: Loyalty right when we drafted guys In, tampa or you

1966
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 5: got drafted as A Pittsburgh steeler or A Green Bay,

1967
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 5: packer you felt as a, player you felt, like oh my,

1968
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 5: GOSH i want to prove this organization so right right

1969
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 5: that they've made the right, choice the right. Guy and

1970
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 5: we would play on that as A. GM i would

1971
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 5: play on that before an, extension being, like you want

1972
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 5: to stay, here, RIGHT i mean we drafted. YOU i

1973
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 5: play that to the, agent play that to the young,

1974
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,600
Speaker 5: man all that kind of stuff to kind of, say you,

1975
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 5: know why don't you end your career? Here now that

1976
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 5: these kids are like entering the portal like the allegiance

1977
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 5: to the team at drafts and may not be the,

1978
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 5: same and we might actually see more kids actually push

1979
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 5: the envelope and actually go to free agency because that's

1980
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 5: what they thought they were supposed to do in college.

1981
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 5: Too SO i think that's going to be more, interesting

1982
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 5: like do we see the guys that ex sign or

1983
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 5: maybe it's going to be more pressure like This doug

1984
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 5: ON gms in front office people like do we sign

1985
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 5: guys to extensions after year three more frequently that maybe

1986
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 5: we have in the, past because these kids are going

1987
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 5: to be willing to.

1988
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: Go the other THING i think is helpful is.

1989
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 5: You get to see how they handle, money AND i

1990
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 5: think that's a critical piece, too is like do they

1991
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 5: play for the money and what do they do with the?

1992
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 5: Money and so you, know that's one thing like what you,

1993
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 5: buy what was your biggest? Purchase what do you have?

1994
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 5: Left you, know is it door dash and? Sneakers is

1995
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 5: it mom's? House what would you do with the? Money

1996
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 5: and so those are two THINGS i think that are

1997
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 5: gonna be very interesting to.

1998
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: FOLLOW i probably would have been door dashing. Sneakers i'm

1999
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: just being. Honest mike McCarthy And pittsburgh does it.

2000
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: WORK i want to.

2001
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 5: Believe so you, know the fun story for me is

2002
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 5: THAT i entered THE nfl in nineteen ninety three with

2003
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 5: The Kansas City chiefs as an intern from.

2004
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: The university Of.

2005
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 5: Kansas mike McCarthy was there and he was the offensive

2006
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 5: quality control, coach so and Then Russ ball was in.

2007
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 5: There he was the assistant strength coach for all You packer,

2008
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 5: fans so it was a really amazing locker. ROOM i

2009
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 5: love Coach, mike love him to. Death he's a great.

2010
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 5: GUY i think the players will love. HIM i thought

2011
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 5: The steelers might go more younger because they've been so

2012
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 5: consistent of like five to one guy and sit on

2013
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 5: him for twenty. Years BUT i think it can work

2014
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 5: Because mike is one hundred percent A pittsburgh, guy AND

2015
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 5: i think people will be understanding of that and hopefully

2016
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 5: work with. Him he's just got to kind of get the.

2017
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 5: WHOLE i think the roster needs a lot more work

2018
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 5: than what people. THINK i think there's a lot there's

2019
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 5: a lot of goals in that team right, now especially

2020
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,560
Speaker 5: from a skilled position set THAT i think that The

2021
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 5: steelers have to address and hopefully it can do that on.

2022
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 5: Offense but, AGAIN i Think mike can continue to streak

2023
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 5: of a non winning season or non losing.

2024
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: Season excuse, Me oh, yeah that's so. Terrible who's the

2025
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: team that people like? Yourselves guys that really know that

2026
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: they've you, like what they've done with their coaching staff

2027
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: in the, offseason doesn't mean they had to do wholesale, changes. Right,

2028
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 1: Obviously baltimore has been a, Change pittsburgh's been a, Changed

2029
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: cleveland's been a, Change arizona's been a. Change you kind

2030
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: of go through, Those but it can be coordinator, in coordinator,

2031
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: out it can be any little thing the team that you're,

2032
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: LIKE i like what they. HAVE i like what they

2033
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 1: have going into this.

2034
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 5: Story, Yeah i'm going to take the easy, answer BUT

2035
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 5: i truly feel. THIS i think it's The. GIANTS i

2036
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 5: just think what they're bringing into that, building the level

2037
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 5: of involvement THAT i Think harball, has not only just

2038
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 5: with the coaching, staff but also front, office with players

2039
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,719
Speaker 5: and the decision making in terms of like draft picks

2040
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 5: and free. AGENCY i really like The giants and what they've.

2041
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 5: Done AND i know they're picking five AND i get

2042
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 5: how that's you, know a critical pick for, Them but,

2043
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 5: man don't they just they just feel like the team

2044
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 5: that's going to take the running back and just be,

2045
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 5: like we're, Good we're you, know we're going to Take Jeremi.

2046
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 5: Love we're going to make up for Sa Kuon. Barkley

2047
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 5: but That's harball. Also SO i think that's the one

2048
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 5: thing that's very interesting to watch is how do The

2049
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 5: giants handle the obvious selection Of JEREMI i love sitting

2050
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 5: in five and hoping it doesn't go ahead of, them

2051
01:36:58,280 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 5: but maybe they try to trade down one or two

2052
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 5: spots to get. Him but to, me that off season

2053
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 5: with him as a coach and WHAT i think his

2054
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 5: impact will be in the organization is.

2055
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 1: Tremendous, YEAH i would someday there'll be a book written

2056
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: about what happened between him And. Lamar, yeah, right because

2057
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: they did a very good job of hiding. It but

2058
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: If Lamar jackson wanted him to be the coach of The,

2059
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: ravens we both know he'd be the coach of The.

2060
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Ravens so something had to happen there And i'd be

2061
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: really interested to know what that. Is in the, MEANTIME

2062
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: i agree with. YOU i appreciate you joining us how

2063
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: many times have you been To Saint elmos this? Week?

2064
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 5: Nice so not, Bad it's actually pretty good in a

2065
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 5: five day, span just. Twice but absolutely every YEAR i

2066
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 5: find a, rookie somebody's never been here and they try

2067
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 5: to swim cocktail and you just videotape the.

2068
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: Reaction it's the penst. Effort what is your? Steak you

2069
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: know a lot distributors are is one of our sponsors?

2070
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: Here what is your steak cut of?

2071
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 5: Choice i'm a simple. Guy i'm not A i like

2072
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 5: either a strip OR i like the. Flight that's that's

2073
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 5: WHERE i. Go but IF i had to, chew do

2074
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 5: a bone in, strip.

2075
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 1: Bone in? Strip? Yep, okay. OKAY i know people that

2076
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 1: are like The, cowboy which is a bone In. RABBI

2077
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: i know the. STRIP i didn't know the bone in.

2078
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: Strip it's the.

2079
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 5: Bone and strip of the bone in. Flair to, me

2080
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 5: are the two best cuts.

2081
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: Of meat you can. Get? Okay and then how do

2082
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 1: you like it?

2083
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 5: Prepared medium? Rare i'm old, School i'm proper LIKE i

2084
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 5: was given. HIM i was out with an agent last

2085
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 5: night for. Dinner actually had a.

2086
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: Steakhouse he didn't do well. Done let me tell, me, well.

2087
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: Done he.

2088
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 5: Did he did medium well, butterfly butterfly the. Steak So

2089
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,640
Speaker 5: i'm like you just LIKE i asked him if he

2090
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 5: wanted to catch.

2091
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: Up so did he know that's not a? Compliment oh you?

2092
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 1: Do he.

2093
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 5: Knew he was, LIKE i don't have to do that to.

2094
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 5: Me i'm, like, Oh i'm gonna do it To you're

2095
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 5: gonna have to learn how to eat this.

2096
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 4: Thing.

2097
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 5: Like, SO i had another guy that used to be

2098
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 5: with my organization AND i finally got him from well

2099
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 5: done to, medium AND i thought that was a.

2100
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: Success So i've it. Is it is a success, story no. Question.

2101
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: Mike you're the best. Man enjoy any With talk to you.

2102
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Soon all, right let's welcome him. In he's the seven

2103
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: Time All, star four times silver slugger and friend of

2104
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: friend Of, fod friend Of. Doug He's Matt, holliday he, joins,

2105
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: US i do have to ask BECAUSE i didn't publicize,

2106
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 1: it but social media. Has your house is for sale In, Stillwater,

2107
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: oklahoma your. Hometown it's an unbelievable, house As i've spent

2108
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 1: as much time there as probably anyone who doesn't live. There,

2109
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: RIGHT i owe you some rent, Money but my question

2110
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: is what's that, like, Right IT'S i mean that house

2111
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: is very personal to you, guys, right it was you

2112
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: you you bought bought it and moved back and started

2113
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: to build it DURING, covid, right and obviously the two

2114
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: boys were drafted in that, house so many great. Memories

2115
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 1: but then to have it kind of like broadcast on

2116
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 1: social media that is for, sale like, WHAT i don't,

2117
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: know what's that experience been like for?

2118
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 3: You, Uh it's it's.

2119
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,719
Speaker 4: OKAY i mean it's been a little weird THAT escn

2120
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 4: like synam an, Alert like talking To buddy today over

2121
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 4: At Rockies camp and he's, LIKE i got an alert

2122
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 4: on my phone FROM espn about your, house AND i,

2123
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 4: thought that's. Weird so the amount of attention that's got

2124
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 4: is a LITTLE i guess caught me off. GUARD i didn't,

2125
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 4: mind you, know if it helps sell. It, obviously the

2126
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 4: market and Still, Water oklahoma for a house like that

2127
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 4: is is is pretty.

2128
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 3: Small so if it helps sell it to, uh to

2129
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 3: use the fact that we live, THERE i.

2130
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 4: Mean you, know people can probably put it together with

2131
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,640
Speaker 4: the baseball field and already the videos that we've done

2132
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 4: in that.

2133
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 3: House BUT i have been a little caught off.

2134
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 4: Guard with something LIKE esp know some of the things

2135
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 4: that have picked it up a Weird, yeah.

2136
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: It's, like why LIKE, tmz why do you like for

2137
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: me WHEN i got? Suspended, well why DOES tmz care

2138
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 1: about the coach Of Green? Bay WHICH i view is

2139
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: a good, thing right because you know we but it

2140
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 1: still is and a house IS i don't, know just so.

2141
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 1: PERSONAL i will tell you that this is my honest

2142
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 1: HOW i HOW i is HOW i describe your. House

2143
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: we've never discussed this. BEFORE i tell people that it

2144
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: is absolutely the nicest House i've ever been. In that

2145
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: is the least douchey incredible HOME i can ever. Imagine,

2146
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know how you And less did, it

2147
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: and obviously you had some really talented designers on. It but,

2148
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean the setting and all the things are,

2149
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 1: great but it is not look at how much money we,

2150
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 1: have just. Not it's it's actually a, home which is

2151
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,320
Speaker 1: the hardest thing to create when you're trying to. Build

2152
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: at the, time it was your dream.

2153
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 3: Home, yeah and you know it was.

2154
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 4: Functional we've lived in different, places you, know a. Lot

2155
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 4: like people in, sports you live in different houses and you,

2156
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 4: live you, know different homes that you like about you

2157
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 4: like this about, it or you liked that about, it

2158
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 4: or you didn't like. This so we try to build

2159
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 4: a house and take all the things that we've liked

2160
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 4: about all the different.

2161
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 3: Houses we've, liked and kind of THE i don't, KNOW

2162
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:14,599
Speaker 3: a vibe is.

2163
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 4: Certainly a very popular word these, days but to create

2164
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 4: the vibe that.

2165
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 3: We like in certain rooms or. Whatever so it turned out.

2166
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:26,839
Speaker 4: Great we won't get, into you, know why why we're

2167
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 4: moving or where we're. Moving you, KNOW i think that's

2168
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 4: probably out there, too but, yeah it's it. Was we

2169
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 4: had a lot of great memories there and great times,

2170
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 4: there and and certainly we'll take you, KNOW i think

2171
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 4: probably four years in, it three or four years in,

2172
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:47,719
Speaker 4: it and and and there's certainly a lot to love about.

2173
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 4: It but, yeah it's a it's a great home and and,

2174
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 4: somebody hopefully we'll really enjoy it moving.

2175
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: Forward if, not it may soon Become Green bay's portal.

2176
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: House when when the? When the? When the Portal and

2177
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 1: it's only JUST i just know, that you, know things

2178
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:04,639
Speaker 1: need to be turned, over houses need to be lived,

2179
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 1: in so we may turn it into the portal house

2180
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 1: for The. Phoenix you have two, sons, Obviously. Jackson now

2181
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 1: he's entering year three in The. Biggs, yes last year

2182
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:20,679
Speaker 1: was truly his first full year in The. Biggs what

2183
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: how is this off season as a guy who's his

2184
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,599
Speaker 1: hitting coach is kind of. Everything how is this off

2185
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: season different, from for, example last? Year because last YEAR

2186
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: i know he wanted to add, strength, right and it

2187
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: was it was such a whirlwind getting called, up being The,

2188
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: bigs all those, things playing the, playoffs. Whatever then last

2189
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 1: offseason was. Different what is this off season like For?

2190
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 3: Jackson, WELL i think you, know the more time you.

2191
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 4: Play he played a full season one hundred and fifty something,

2192
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 4: games so he has an idea of what it takes

2193
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 4: as far as the day, in day out grime of

2194
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 4: a full.

2195
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 3: Season so just from him understanding what a.

2196
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 4: Full season in the major leagues looks like, PHYSICALLY i

2197
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 4: think that is something that only experience. Teaches and so

2198
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,759
Speaker 4: now you know what it takes and physically gets, stronger

2199
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 4: and you know we've talked about. That you, know every

2200
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 4: year you try to gain five, pounds you, know you

2201
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 4: don't try to gain ten or fifteen, pounds at least

2202
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 4: in my, experience especially as a speed, player middle, infielder

2203
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 4: you don't want to get too, big too, fast so

2204
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 4: just continue to try to get. STRONGER i think he understands.

2205
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 4: Himself the more you, play, obviously the more knowledge you

2206
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 4: have of your own, game you're your own best. Coach

2207
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 4: you've always said, that you, know as a hitting, coach

2208
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:41,719
Speaker 4: as any kind of, coach you want to coach them

2209
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 4: to where they can coach, themselves, Right so my role

2210
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 4: should be less and less as they get older and

2211
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 4: have more experience that they should they you, KNOW i

2212
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 4: Asked jackson what he thinks About ethan, swing you, know

2213
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 4: just to pick his brain about you, know what he,

2214
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 4: sees because he's getting more experience with big league players

2215
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 4: and the big league, coaches and he's, talking you, know

2216
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,799
Speaker 4: shop With Gunner henderson and you know some great players

2217
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:09,680
Speaker 4: and around the.

2218
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 3: League and you, know they have.

2219
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 4: So much more data, now and so how are they

2220
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 4: using all the analytics and they're they're scouting is so

2221
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 4: much different than WHEN i, played as far as the

2222
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 4: percentages of what guys throw and just how they use

2223
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 4: all the all the technology that they have.

2224
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 3: Now SO i learned a lot from, him and then

2225
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 3: it helps me Help.

2226
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 4: Ethan and THEN i also like that they you know

2227
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 4: That jackson can speak Into ethan swimming and his his

2228
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:41,799
Speaker 4: baseball career, Also so.

2229
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,560
Speaker 3: It certainly is is a maturity.

2230
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 4: Transition off season it looks a little different because he's

2231
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 4: he's got more big league experience now and he knows

2232
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 4: what it's, like and SO i, think you, know for,

2233
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 4: me you, know some of it's a little BIT i,

2234
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 4: guess you, know truth be told a little bit sad

2235
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 4: that he doesn't he doesn't quite mean me like he

2236
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 4: hasn't in previous years because he's older and experienced and

2237
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 4: we're now just kind of bouncing things off of each.

2238
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 4: OTHER i don't have TO i don't have to coach

2239
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 4: him sub per se as much and just talk the

2240
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 4: game and and things like.

2241
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 3: That, so, uh, certainly you know it's a, transition you.

2242
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 4: KNOW i think you, know as you, know as your

2243
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 4: kids get, older the role as a parent and even you,

2244
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 4: know as a, coach it, transitions it, changes it. Progresses

2245
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 4: it it just looks. Different it's it doesn't mean it's

2246
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 4: worse or, better it's just it's. Different it is.

2247
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,719
Speaker 1: Different let's let's get to the bigs this. Year your

2248
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: favorite acquisition that was made in the, offseason just you're the.

2249
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: One it doesn't have to be a, superstar just you're

2250
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 1: fairwell like, OOH i like.

2251
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 4: That. YEAH i, mean, look just from a fact That

2252
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 4: i've watched a lot of o reels baseball With, jackson you,

2253
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 4: know Having Pete, alonso a guy that you can pencil

2254
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:04,480
Speaker 4: in for thirty five homers and one hundred RBIs into that, LINEUP.

2255
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,600
Speaker 3: I think changes their lineup a. Lot so when you

2256
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:09,759
Speaker 3: can plug a guy.

2257
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 4: Like pete a lonzo into the middle of your, ORDER

2258
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 4: i think it takes pressure off everybody. Else they Added

2259
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 4: Taylor ward from the Or angels that hit thirty homers last,

2260
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 4: year so that helps.

2261
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 3: Too but that one sticks. Out i'm trying to think,

2262
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 3: of you, know maybe some other.

2263
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Ones That what do you think of The edwin dias

2264
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 1: to The, Dodgers AND i say that because they've been

2265
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 1: able to win a Couple World series without a dude

2266
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 1: or a guy that they thought would be their dude

2267
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 1: to close things. Down on the other, hand it's just,

2268
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: different right you were with The mets before you. Didn't

2269
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 1: the pressure is, different the setups, different and closers can be.

2270
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: Weird they can be LIKE nfl, kickers right where all

2271
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden they can have it and then overnight they.

2272
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 1: Don't what's your thoughts On Edwin diaz At Dodger stadium

2273
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 1: closing things?

2274
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 3: Out, YEAH i, MEAN i.

2275
01:47:56,160 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 4: Think the relief pitchers in general always to me is

2276
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 4: like he's got a great track, record so he's a

2277
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 4: little bit different than than. Most you, know he's been

2278
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 4: pretty consistently. Dominant but if you look at relief pitchers in,

2279
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 4: general it's it's pretty. Volatile SO i always, saw you,

2280
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 4: know when you talk about impact or guys that are

2281
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 4: going to impact the team in an, ORGANIZATION i always

2282
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 4: side on position players just because it's a it's a.

2283
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 3: You, know more, frequent they have a bigger, role they

2284
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 3: play more.

2285
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 4: Innings, obviously if you can plug a closer, in who's a,

2286
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 4: lockdown you know with The, dodgers you, know you get

2287
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:37,680
Speaker 4: a chance to probably.

2288
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:38,759
Speaker 3: Forty to fifty.

2289
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 4: Saves he's probably looking at, opportunities you, know if if

2290
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 4: he pitches as.

2291
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 3: Well so they've been.

2292
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 4: Able to do it without you, know a, lockdown like

2293
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 4: this guy's pitching the ninth no matter. What but they

2294
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 4: have had a ton of talent in the, bullpen which

2295
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,639
Speaker 4: has helped. Them you, know two years ago they basically

2296
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 4: won without a, start you, know without much starting pitching at,

2297
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 4: all and then last year they won with mainly starting.

2298
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 3: Pitching so they've done it in a couple of different.

2299
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 4: Ways AND i think, he's LIKE i, said when you

2300
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 4: have that kind of money and you just he's a,

2301
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 4: luxury you, know for them to.

2302
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 3: Have at the back.

2303
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 4: End But i'm always a little, Hesitant doug with relief,

2304
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 4: pitchers just, because like you, SAID i, Mean Roldis chapman,

2305
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 4: was you, Know Roldis chapman. Was you, know he's Been

2306
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 4: hi's the. Why and he's also been you, know signment

2307
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 4: with the pirates.

2308
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 3: Because no one else wanted. Them So i'm always a little.

2309
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 1: Hesitant, okay you study, swings you study, swings AND i

2310
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 1: won't name, names but you've told me before and guys

2311
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 1: got a catch like, like, eh there's a hole. There

2312
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Kyle tucker two hundred and forty, Million Alex bredman one

2313
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy, Five Boba schett won twenty. Five you

2314
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 1: mentioned Pin alonso one hundred and fifty, five And dylan

2315
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: ceese IS i think he's the for two hundred and

2316
01:49:55,439 --> 01:50:01,679
Speaker 1: ten million. Dollars of those who's swing do you. Can

2317
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: would you concern yourself the most in terms of replicating

2318
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 1: their success which allowed them to get these gigantic.

2319
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 4: CONTRACTS i would say Probably Kyle pucker concerns me just

2320
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 4: because it's very, unorthodox and that doesn't mean that IT'S i,

2321
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:22,519
Speaker 4: mean he's obviously made a great career out of.

2322
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 1: It what what's? Unorthodox explained to the? Layman what's unorthodox

2323
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: about his?

2324
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 3: Swing it's it's it's a little bit of a pool

2325
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 3: and an.

2326
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 4: Underswing which you know nowadays people like launch, angle but

2327
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 4: it's uh, uh you, know and just from a kind

2328
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:45,600
Speaker 4: of just if he you, know just kind of a

2329
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 4: simple it's a little longer swing than than maybe some

2330
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 4: of the top end, players and he creates a lot

2331
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 4: of top spin to the pool, side and he's and

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Speaker 4: he was able to kind of top spin some balls

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Speaker 4: of the fence last year the, offense which concerns we

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Speaker 4: took a good, dip pretty good. DIP i think he

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Speaker 4: was still above average player and a lot of AND

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Speaker 4: i think a lot's been made that he had a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a risk.

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Speaker 3: Injury But.

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Speaker 4: I'm confident In Alex bregman because you, KNOW i you,

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Speaker 4: KNOW i think it's a pretty simple short. Swing he's

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Speaker 4: going to hit really good on days when the wind's

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Speaker 4: blowing out, there and he's probably not going to hit

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Speaker 4: many homers when the wind's blowing. In so the thing

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Speaker 4: About Rickley field that's interesting is it could effect like

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Speaker 4: how many days they get where the wind's blown out

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Speaker 4: and how many days they get where the winds blowing,

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Speaker 4: in more than any other stadium in the major, leagues

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Speaker 4: because there's days you can't hit it out from second,

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Speaker 4: base and there's days where you can pop it up

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Speaker 4: to left center and the shortstops running after him goes

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Speaker 4: over the. Fence so it's it's a very volatile, park

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Speaker 4: AND i Think Kyle tucker got some of that last.

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Speaker 4: Year So i'm interested to see what that looks. Like your,

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Speaker 4: stadium which is probably pretty. NEUTRAL i think it's more

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Speaker 4: hitter friendly on day games and probably picture friendly on night.

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Speaker 4: Games but IF i had to pick one of, THOSE

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Speaker 4: i would probably Say Kyle tucker concerns, me especially at

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Speaker 4: the that.

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Speaker 1: Price, matt you're the. BEST i do hope that we

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