Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is running out of money. Changs.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I am in room
Speaker 1: that just filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys, Hey Dan? Not just hey Dan.
Speaker 1: I'm on Happy birthday, Dan Hansas? Yes, oh yeah, thank you?
Speaker 1: Why does it rotate? My wife calls me wolf man,
Speaker 1: I rey lord, and there will be blood. Damn you
Speaker 1: all the hand. This is who I am. Doesn't read work.
Speaker 1: Somebody's salty. Keep an eye on the brown They're special.
Speaker 1: On a second, I have another phone call this one,
Speaker 1: this one in this one. Happy birthday. This is Brett.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, buddy. Very well done. Here we go. Wow, Lindsay,
Speaker 1: you put that together in a very limited amount of
Speaker 1: time today. That's a professional. Did you guys record vox
Speaker 1: there as well? Or is that just take a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit at her prompting. We did a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was big of Mr Beach to call it. It
Speaker 1: was it was you haven't been hit with a season
Speaker 1: desist from Brett beat It's coming. He sent it by
Speaker 1: snail mail, so it'll be here soon. I don't think
Speaker 1: I didn't have to google how to send a voice memo. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Lindsay, and oh getting tweets today?
Speaker 1: Are you taking today off? No? No, that's how there
Speaker 1: are no days off. Here we are in draft week,
Speaker 1: so I gotta grund me and Belichick. Maybe we're more
Speaker 1: like than I'd like to admit, because it's grind time.
Speaker 1: The draft is less than four days away. Now shut up,
Speaker 1: Bill and uh we have so we have, you know,
Speaker 1: just get here, please get here. You know I've already
Speaker 1: said multiple times in the past two weeks they should
Speaker 1: move the draft up. Today when I was sitting it
Speaker 1: in our little cubicles, those doomed cubicles. Greg, that really,
Speaker 1: especially on your birthday for whatever reason, and you're starting
Speaker 1: to get older, you start to wonder what you're really doing.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in this cubicle almost trapped. You might
Speaker 1: as well put bars around it. His way, I felt
Speaker 1: time actually stopped, and I was looking at to see
Speaker 1: if anybody else noticed. For about ninety two straight. Time stopped.
Speaker 1: And that's what it really feels like with the draft.
Speaker 1: It's got to get here. It's on Thursday, but come on, clock.
Speaker 1: The best time for the draft is always a week
Speaker 1: before the current date. Put it in the rear view
Speaker 1: mirror always. Yeah, absolutely, and we are so excited to
Speaker 1: bring back one of our favorite games. At the end
Speaker 1: of today's show, go get my lunch, your total degenerate
Speaker 1: the draft edition, so big, big, big way to West.
Speaker 1: You put pressure on yourself for the free agency didn't
Speaker 1: work out, even more pressure here, you would say, correct,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to approach this as
Speaker 1: a competitive person or not. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: given up on that or not. Yeah. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you could look at it as a total lack of pressure,
Speaker 1: since there's no repercussions to winning or losing or sandwiches ever.
Speaker 1: Get well, that's not necessarily true though. It's just a
Speaker 1: matter of the people that are losing got to cough
Speaker 1: up some sandwich. Well, that's you're pointing it at me,
Speaker 1: because when I look at the way that they've you know,
Speaker 1: put the tally together on and go get my lunch
Speaker 1: dot Org. Nick Fortier, A nice job there. I Oh,
Speaker 1: every single person sandwiches and not a single person owes
Speaker 1: me anything. It's been we'll go through before we get
Speaker 1: into uh. This year's props for the draft will look
Speaker 1: quickly back at last year's draft, and I just have
Speaker 1: to say I was flabbergasted by a couple of your
Speaker 1: props last year. Mark. There's a reason why you tend
Speaker 1: to owe more than your own right each and this
Speaker 1: last year's draft was a perfect distillation of that. We'll
Speaker 1: get to that in a little bit. When we're dedicating
Speaker 1: only three props each time, don't use one or two
Speaker 1: uh in each show on the end of the Earth
Speaker 1: or the end of you know, the event that work.
Speaker 1: The thing is, here's the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: No one really remembers almost anything anyone wagered at all.
Speaker 1: If I got an apocalyptic scenario correct, it's getting picked
Speaker 1: up by CNN, It's getting picked up all around the
Speaker 1: place by multiple media outlets, and that's all. It's all.
Speaker 1: But no one would remember because the world would be ending.
Speaker 1: But you would have of the world would have the
Speaker 1: top headline would have happened. It's it would be a sidebar.
Speaker 1: You would have NFL NFL scribe predicted this bang. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a whole documentary, like a legend. In my mind,
Speaker 1: thank you, right just before you and everyone you love,
Speaker 1: you know, ceased to exist. You'll have the knowledge that
Speaker 1: so many listeners of all our show, their last thought
Speaker 1: will be like, well, I guess Mark was right. He
Speaker 1: called it well, Greg, Greg can cling to the fact
Speaker 1: that he picks like a second you know, a second
Speaker 1: tier Packers running back getting the fourth amount of guaranteed
Speaker 1: money in free agency. Well, that's that's a legacy. Um
Speaker 1: sit on that. Maybe you'll get like a Gil brand
Speaker 1: Um shadow account runner tweet. I like that. I mean
Speaker 1: that's big. That is before the fireball hits the earth.
Speaker 1: Who knew all along that this was happening. I'd be
Speaker 1: that would rapid at that point, curtain's baby. We also
Speaker 1: have a special guest we're gonna get on the show
Speaker 1: to talk about another draft prospect, uh, and then some news.
Speaker 1: In fact, let's get to the news, uh, miss Faulton,
Speaker 1: because the top of the news regards Mark's favorite team,
Speaker 1: who's picking first in the draft. You know those videos
Speaker 1: thats got little little uh left the center. Let's say
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a fan of Tho, but he's
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver in the league. All right, we
Speaker 1: start with the Cleveland Browns UH and Monday Morning Quarterback
Speaker 1: founder um sled Dog icon of the NFL sportswriting business,
Speaker 1: Peter King wrote in his latest Monday Morning Quarterback Colm
Speaker 1: that a source he quote trusts who was very quote
Speaker 1: well connected and quote very often right, said that the
Speaker 1: Browns won't take Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen at number one.
Speaker 1: Uh and that is in contrast with the steady drumbeat
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler that the Browns would or we're in love
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen and his upside. We don't have to
Speaker 1: dig back in because we just did it last week
Speaker 1: on the show about all the reasons why you might
Speaker 1: not want to take Josh Allen at number one. But
Speaker 1: what i'd I got to this report, and even King
Speaker 1: acknowledges you're kind of a slave to your sources this
Speaker 1: time of year. It doesn't mean you're right, but it
Speaker 1: seems that's starting now to swing back to Sam Donald
Speaker 1: now as we get to the final days before the draft,
Speaker 1: and I, frankly I wouldn't be surprised if there's a
Speaker 1: leak in the next eight hours that Donald is the man.
Speaker 1: Do you agree? Yeah? I do agree, and I can't help.
Speaker 1: But remember when the Rams were all but guaranteed to
Speaker 1: take Jared Goff, and it sure felt like the league
Speaker 1: got in the ear of the Rams and said, please
Speaker 1: bring this to the eleventh hour. Don't sell this down
Speaker 1: the river with four or five days to go. I
Speaker 1: don't think that John Dorsey's out there telling anyone, anyone
Speaker 1: that knows Peter King or anyone else at this point
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. But I think the building, I
Speaker 1: think my guests would be inside the building that there's
Speaker 1: been healthy debate over two quarterbacks. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that it is Josh Allen. I think it was probably
Speaker 1: coming down to Donald and Baker Mayfield, and right now,
Speaker 1: Donald's the guy that the combine. When when the combine began,
Speaker 1: everyone said it is Arnold, hands down. Then everything happened
Speaker 1: and we're back there. Like you said, I just think that,
Speaker 1: barring a surprise, they're gonna go with what seems to
Speaker 1: them like the safer picking Donald. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: the guy that I want, but it's the guy they want. Well.
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard was UH in Kansas City, what's your favorite
Speaker 1: type of frog? With UH? With John Dorsey, and he
Speaker 1: said on on Good Morning Football last week that Dorsey
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell him who he was taking. He wouldn't tell
Speaker 1: anyone in the room that you could get a guess
Speaker 1: or a feel, but he would listen to everyone, and
Speaker 1: I I was, you know, assuming he's basically talking about
Speaker 1: the Patrick Mahomes that he that even a guy who's
Speaker 1: working with him didn't know what he was gonna do.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's it's tough to really know from
Speaker 1: the outside, but it makes sense. Definitely makes sense. Did
Speaker 1: you Mark, did you say you don't want them to
Speaker 1: take Donald the number one? Who do you want them
Speaker 1: to take? I I couldn't have been wrong on almost
Speaker 1: every quarterback they picked all along, so this means nothing.
Speaker 1: But I just sort of want Rosen or Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I just it's something about So
Speaker 1: I actually feel like I don't have Sessler's about Brown's
Speaker 1: draft picks anymore, because again I've been wrong a million times,
Speaker 1: But you and all everybody else there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of Brown's draft picks make a massive flood of unaccountable
Speaker 1: scouts inside that organization that have failed over and over
Speaker 1: and over, so please get it right. Well, they have
Speaker 1: been fired repeatedly. True, But they're making a lot of money.
Speaker 1: After the fact, it's actually the same scouts. They get
Speaker 1: fired and rehired. No one's notice. It's just the same.
Speaker 1: That explains so much. UH. In other news, oh, another topic.
Speaker 1: We don't need to spend a ton of time, but
Speaker 1: we'll check in on UH. Willie Snead officially to become
Speaker 1: a member of the Ravens. Rap Sheet reported the Saints
Speaker 1: will not match Baltimore's offer that was made to need Uh.
Speaker 1: He signed that on Friday, two years up to ten
Speaker 1: point four million, seven million bass Uh. The Saints had
Speaker 1: five days to match that and they decided not to,
Speaker 1: so Snead joins the Ravens. Better fit West. I love
Speaker 1: the fit and it's interesting to me the outside of
Speaker 1: the flyer on r G three. Essentially the only moves
Speaker 1: the Ravens have done so far this offseason have been
Speaker 1: to the wide receiver corps, and they've overhauled the entire
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps. John Brown was was a very interesting
Speaker 1: flyer on a speedy guy. Michael Crabtree, Willie Snead to me,
Speaker 1: this is a major, major upgrade over Jeremy Macklin, Mike
Speaker 1: Wallace and Brashad Perriman or Chris Chris Moore, whoever they
Speaker 1: had on the field past year. Bad news for Dez
Speaker 1: too when we touched on that. But the Ravens take
Speaker 1: take the Ravens off the list. We heard the report
Speaker 1: that the Giants aren't interested. He's not going to the Eagles,
Speaker 1: the Redskins apparently not interested. This could take a while
Speaker 1: for Dez. Feels like the hard Boss Slash Flacco era
Speaker 1: somewhat depends on continuing on making this These receivers work,
Speaker 1: Sneed Crabtree Brown In that passing year, I think they
Speaker 1: didn't want to go into the draft having to feel
Speaker 1: the pressure to draft a wide receiver in the first
Speaker 1: There aren't a lot. I could see one or two
Speaker 1: wide receivers tops going in the first round potentially, and
Speaker 1: I think they maybe want to use that pick if
Speaker 1: someone felt to them, like Lamar Jackson on a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say, I think they've improved
Speaker 1: there a wide receiver group, but John Brown, Michael Crabtree,
Speaker 1: uh Snead. None of these guys can't miss to be
Speaker 1: productive players next year. It still feels very much a
Speaker 1: crap shoot whether the Ravens are gonna be moving the ball.
Speaker 1: But the one thing we do know that Justin Tucker
Speaker 1: is going to kick out of the ball and it's
Speaker 1: going to go right between those uprights. I would say
Speaker 1: that insistently. I would say one thing about that wide
Speaker 1: receiver corps. Though they complement each other really well, It's
Speaker 1: not like they went out and tried to find three
Speaker 1: number ones. Yeah, they found Sneet in the slot. Crab
Speaker 1: Trees your red zone guy, and Job Brown's your deep threat. Uh. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: on the throne of Sleeves, Rob Gronkowski was at Gillette Stadium.
Speaker 1: Good news, Patriots fans. Here's the bad news. It was
Speaker 1: on behalf of the Monster Energy Supercross team. Uh. Gronk
Speaker 1: was at a dirt dirt bike galla. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that was the thing that existed, but you learn a
Speaker 1: lot at least still when you followed Gronk in the
Speaker 1: off season. Uh. There was also a press conference at
Speaker 1: this dirt bike gala. I keep on stopping myself from
Speaker 1: saying dirt bag gala. But I guess in my youth
Speaker 1: the kids that not a lot of kids had dirt bikes,
Speaker 1: but it was very popular in the eighties and movies
Speaker 1: and stuff like Oh, he's got a dirt bike. Usually
Speaker 1: you were a dirt bag or a rougher set of
Speaker 1: child would would be roaming around on the dirt bike,
Speaker 1: probably getting into fisticuffs. Anyway, Grock was asked about his
Speaker 1: status for the two thousand eighteen season during this Monster
Speaker 1: Energy Supercross press conference. Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 1: I've been riding dirt bike. I've been trained really hard,
Speaker 1: and I can roam rome really good. I can ride
Speaker 1: that bike like no other and my speed is up
Speaker 1: to them. Are you stating retirement from her football? These friends?
Speaker 1: How my races still go today? Uh? And of note,
Speaker 1: the top headline on page reads dot com on Sunday,
Speaker 1: Red gront press or a quote bad look and that
Speaker 1: was taken from a commentary from w e I, a
Speaker 1: local sports talk station in Boston. Guys, is Gronk trying
Speaker 1: to get himself traded right now? Greg isn't a big deal.
Speaker 1: The craft the crafts must be excited because he was
Speaker 1: trying to get people into the stadium for the motocross
Speaker 1: event that day at Gillette that they're making money off of.
Speaker 1: So it's all it's all one way to shade that.
Speaker 1: It's all part of the game, all right, kissing Cousin's
Speaker 1: your thoughts of the reactions I saw after this basically
Speaker 1: took it as grunk giving Belichick the middle fildes Yes,
Speaker 1: well the second answer where they were like, are you
Speaker 1: going to report to workouts? And he basically was just
Speaker 1: sort of a hard no. It's like there would have
Speaker 1: maybe been a different way to kind of tone shift
Speaker 1: that answer to say, hey, you're but not not really
Speaker 1: a gifted improv actor. I don't know. I mean, you
Speaker 1: listen to Gronk in any transcript. I'm not making fun
Speaker 1: of the guy. He's right successful and extremely wealthy, seems
Speaker 1: to have a nice family support system, and you know,
Speaker 1: stumb well in his life not usually any sentence. Really,
Speaker 1: they don't come out too well. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: going to be able to give you an artfully crafted
Speaker 1: non answer answer, do you plan on attending the optional
Speaker 1: workouts that are upcoming? No? Why skills to work dismissive?
Speaker 1: I think he I think Actulette stadium. Uh, it is
Speaker 1: a troll job of the Patriots, And I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: he really is really trying to get traded and then
Speaker 1: getting the new contract with wherever he gets traded, and
Speaker 1: then it makes me wonder how feasible that remains, especially
Speaker 1: with the Draft a couple of days ago away. He's
Speaker 1: just he's trying to annoy them. It certainly seems like
Speaker 1: there was a report though, that they're fully expecting that
Speaker 1: he's not retiring, that they don't even think that's an
Speaker 1: option at this point, which seems germane. But to your point,
Speaker 1: you know, on a scale of like shocking things Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick has done as a general manager, how high up
Speaker 1: with trading Rob Gronkowski on draft to be at this point,
Speaker 1: he's done more shocking things than that. I don't think
Speaker 1: would be up there, but it would be up there,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be that crazy. I I just think
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen, primarily because I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna They wouldn't be able to get a great, great
Speaker 1: offer for him. And that's the only reason why. What
Speaker 1: would be Now they think about what would be a
Speaker 1: bigger stunner from Belichick in all time trading the greatest
Speaker 1: tight end in the history of football, Randy Moment back
Speaker 1: to the Vikings, And would that be bigger than Gronk?
Speaker 1: I think it was. I remember being that was the
Speaker 1: most shocking trade. I remember it was after the season
Speaker 1: had started. Richard Seymour, Seymour, I mean not shocked. Malloy
Speaker 1: was shocking, but when came out of nowhere, and it
Speaker 1: was shocking in the moment. It was none of these
Speaker 1: would be bigger than Gronk though, really bigger story, but
Speaker 1: bigger surprise just because at this point you're right and
Speaker 1: why it plays to everything we know about Belichick that
Speaker 1: he would trade him he doesn't for the right for
Speaker 1: the right value. I mean, how does Belichick like an
Speaker 1: offseason where all these players, all of her it's no
Speaker 1: one likes Belichick. They're tired of Belichick, they're over his
Speaker 1: m O. They're tired of dealing with this guy. And
Speaker 1: like you've got Gronk mouthing off, you've got Brady playing
Speaker 1: this sort of you know, tete a tete business where
Speaker 1: who knows if he's showing up to there's a little workout,
Speaker 1: Bud Kilmer, When is he start void vibe here? Maybe
Speaker 1: there's some inmates are about to overthrow. In life, when
Speaker 1: do you act like the cock of the walk? When
Speaker 1: do you start swinging it around because you don't care
Speaker 1: You've got nothing to lose when you're at Grons level
Speaker 1: in life. Gronk has options now, he has post career options.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's about forcing a trade or
Speaker 1: hoping for a trade. Yeah. I think it's Hey, I
Speaker 1: can go to wrestling, or I can go to the movies.
Speaker 1: I don't need football anymore. I mean he has he's
Speaker 1: got great business acumen investing in the horse named after him.
Speaker 1: Just days before the horse pulls out of that. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: Finally in the news, the NFL announced that a parrot
Speaker 1: will deliver the bucks is third day draft picks from
Speaker 1: a pirate ship, I should say the pirate ship that's
Speaker 1: located Raymond James Stadium. Mark, if you can give me
Speaker 1: a brief commentary, Remember when uh your boy Costas would
Speaker 1: get up on his big climb up on top of
Speaker 1: his big boy uh soapbox and his dissertations at halftime
Speaker 1: of Sunday Night Football. Can you, because I feel some
Speaker 1: of the it's get this third round. Let's have a
Speaker 1: talking animal, you know, let's have a guy jumping off
Speaker 1: an airplane. These are still young men that are achieving
Speaker 1: their draft dreams, and we're turning this over to force uh, television,
Speaker 1: I'll set you up there and hopefully you'll run with that.
Speaker 1: I may have more to say on this story our
Speaker 1: go get my Lunch segment, but what I would say,
Speaker 1: what like at his highlighted, what annoys me highly is
Speaker 1: that for us who covered the game, that that by
Speaker 1: the time you get into mid Saturday, you are ready
Speaker 1: to hang yourself from the ceiling of the newsroom because
Speaker 1: the draft couldn't be any less headline worthy or name
Speaker 1: worthy or anything. And you need to get that podcast
Speaker 1: done and get home to other human beings you call
Speaker 1: your family, and what they've done with this third day,
Speaker 1: And I'm sure anyone inside the building listening to this
Speaker 1: will not be pleased with my takeaway. No one's listening
Speaker 1: is that they have said, let's take day three and
Speaker 1: extend it by multiple hours because of the non cannery,
Speaker 1: because we need to have last year A Baboon announced
Speaker 1: an Indianapolis Cults draft pick. As if that helps anyone
Speaker 1: who or if it's exceedingly entertaining to watch the raft, Well, Greg,
Speaker 1: I understand that you're going to stick up for it
Speaker 1: because it's NFL network, But I would say that in
Speaker 1: terms of actual programming, it is an insulting watch for
Speaker 1: anyone that comes there to actually watch football content. And
Speaker 1: now it's listen. You've got our two announcing a pick.
Speaker 1: You have Chewbac announcing to pick. I don't need that.
Speaker 1: I don't need any of this script, but I like
Speaker 1: it. It It feels like the apropriate. I don't need any
Speaker 1: of this in order you. I'm with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: None of us need any of it, but I'm I
Speaker 1: do find it funny that people are like, oh, the
Speaker 1: sanctity of the not the sanctity it is. It is.
Speaker 1: Do not tack ninety minutes onto a day that is
Speaker 1: already excessive. Are being made anyways? Is longer. It is
Speaker 1: longer because they don't think is made. They stopped down.
Speaker 1: They've got to go to camera eight out in some
Speaker 1: rand continue to make the picks of they continue to
Speaker 1: make it. They used to mention most of the picks.
Speaker 1: Most people don't even get their names mentioned. They just said, oh,
Speaker 1: let's catch up. By the time you get to the end,
Speaker 1: they would wheel it along on a ticker tape on
Speaker 1: the bottom. Greg, you mentioned sanctity and that's not something.
Speaker 1: Get caught up. I saw your son Walker this weekend,
Speaker 1: beautiful young boy. Imagine ten twelve years from now, fifteen
Speaker 1: years from now, he's drafted fourth round, and you're sitting me,
Speaker 1: getting the whole families together, and they have a hammerhead
Speaker 1: shark typing out morse code of your son's name rather
Speaker 1: than some like proud representative. Uh you know, let's say
Speaker 1: you know, Wes Welker making the announcement for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: You have a hammer head shark and they put a
Speaker 1: little hammer on the top of his head and then
Speaker 1: have him tap out morse code. How about w A. L.
Speaker 1: How about the thousands of third day draft picks over
Speaker 1: the last thirty years that haven't had any announcement. That's
Speaker 1: the vast majority of them, and no one's cared at
Speaker 1: all about You didn't answer the question, I would be
Speaker 1: fine with It would be kind of funny. At least
Speaker 1: you'd get a little pop. You know, most most of
Speaker 1: those guys don't. They literally don't get announced. But that's
Speaker 1: it's just a ticker thing at the botto, which, which
Speaker 1: by the way, got us home at five PM. Here's
Speaker 1: what I learned a long time ago about TV networks.
Speaker 1: When your shows are no longer targeting me, as the audience.
Speaker 1: I feel no guilt about leaving your ship, Like, why
Speaker 1: would I have to watch a show when the target
Speaker 1: audience twelve year olds and one let, one fair and
Speaker 1: one last point. Who's the most important single individual in
Speaker 1: NFL Network's draft coverage? Mystery relevant Charlie Yuke, Mike MAYOCKT
Speaker 1: Mike Mayock. That guy nearly walked off the set and
Speaker 1: discussed and it wasn't manufactured with the talking baboon last year.
Speaker 1: Now they're going to have parents and who knows what
Speaker 1: else just to get a reaction out of Mayak. Let's
Speaker 1: not completely It's didn't say that is a world war?
Speaker 1: You know, that is what guaranteed that it was coming back.
Speaker 1: Our reaction is what guaranteed it's coming back. Someone actually
Speaker 1: cared about the fifth round of the draft for check
Speaker 1: your network boxes here. Definitely it is a powder keg
Speaker 1: agree with me. I'm just saying that the second that
Speaker 1: Mayock have that reaction, that guaranteed it was coming back
Speaker 1: because they just wanted to annoy him again. And now
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Speaker 1: for the fifth and final installment of our Draft Quarterback series.
Speaker 1: And who have we gone through so far? We started
Speaker 1: sim damn Donald. Then we moved on and we hit
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, then Baker Mayfield, then Josh Allen, the Big Four. Okay,
Speaker 1: but that's not it. We got one more to hit
Speaker 1: for a very particular reason because the man that I
Speaker 1: reached out to demanded it, and now he's joining us
Speaker 1: live on the Around the NFL podcast. I reached out
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Spice Rack, Welcome back to the Around the
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Speaker 1: you're safe with us? Spice Rack. It's always safe in here.
Speaker 1: It's a same space and you do sound good and
Speaker 1: everyone should know that. Spice Rack, in addition to being
Speaker 1: Chris Westling's desert consigliari on all matters draft related, also
Speaker 1: works on the at the pool top of one of
Speaker 1: the most exclusive Vegas hotels and resorts, which I will
Speaker 1: not share first privacy reasons. He is the Spice Rack.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need mobs of fans uh jumping into the
Speaker 1: pool trying to get to him. But what I want
Speaker 1: to tell you is that he excused himself from the pool.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, he's not a lifeguard. He is talking to
Speaker 1: us now, Spice Rack. First of all, how are you, buddy?
Speaker 1: It's been a while, Buddy is right. I've missed you
Speaker 1: guys dearly, and I'm doing okay about the about the same,
Speaker 1: about the same. But I've been um mostly concerned with
Speaker 1: you guys, and what sense spice right? Thank you? We
Speaker 1: think I sent some tension and I've heard some rumors
Speaker 1: talk to us. Who what are the sparrows telling you?
Speaker 1: You have people in Vegas. We'll talk about it off here.
Speaker 1: I thought were here to talk draft quarterbacks. What happened
Speaker 1: to that? I like that. That's a tease. You brought
Speaker 1: it up, Spice Rack. Yeah, well, I'm full of bs
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, sometimes you just ramble and make
Speaker 1: it up. You've done a nice job lighting a fire
Speaker 1: in this in this studio now, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of dissension, a lot of sideways glances. But spice Rack Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. You only wanted to talk about the
Speaker 1: Louisville quarterback Lamar Jackson. Tell us why your pants are
Speaker 1: on fire when you talk about this kid. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's uh relegating him to like a secondary
Speaker 1: player as far as these main quarterbacks are concerned. That's
Speaker 1: my first issue, right. You don't like the idea that
Speaker 1: he's not mentioned in the breath of the first four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks we've talked about on this show. He's accomplished a
Speaker 1: lot more and he has uh it, you know, upside
Speaker 1: for days. You know, I think, really though, Hansas, the
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to kind of come on and talk
Speaker 1: about him is sort of the angle that even if
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson does not work out long term and he's
Speaker 1: not really a project in the sense that, uh, can
Speaker 1: he run past people, or if he's got a second
Speaker 1: to throw, can he complete that pass? Because he can
Speaker 1: and he will and he looks to throw. But it's
Speaker 1: it's when you look at the mode the extremely mobile quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: even if they don't last. Steve Young lasted, Steve McNair lasted,
Speaker 1: you know, Randall Cunningham came back and did his thing.
Speaker 1: Usually they'll they'll pop early. I mean, look at how
Speaker 1: explosive Vic was early. R G three Kaepernet gave the
Speaker 1: Packers hunter rushing yards in the playoffs. The Shawn Watson
Speaker 1: had the top NFL offense in the NFL last year.
Speaker 1: For a brief moment, ebot want a playoff game. He's
Speaker 1: out of the league already, Vince Young out of the league.
Speaker 1: But did he win sixty plus percent of his games
Speaker 1: for the first couple of years. There you go, and
Speaker 1: and and so if you get a smart play call
Speaker 1: or attached to Lamar Jackson, I don't see anyway barring injury.
Speaker 1: But that's the case for everybody. Okay, you want to
Speaker 1: talk about his frame being slide a frame, of course,
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of an issue if he doesn't
Speaker 1: learn to. I mean, Robert Griffin the third never learned
Speaker 1: to slide. One of the craziest developments in the history
Speaker 1: of my life I've ever seen. How is it possible?
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable athletic yet unable to. Lamar Jackson won't have
Speaker 1: that issue now. I mean, I'll tell you what else
Speaker 1: Robert Griffin struggled with was just absorbing a hit. This
Speaker 1: guy did not know how to get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's not that his instincts, seeing like Robert Griffin
Speaker 1: didn't jump off the screen the way Lamar Jackson did.
Speaker 1: He may have run past people, but he wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of wiggle attached to the game. Spice Rack,
Speaker 1: I have a question about the I will thank you.
Speaker 1: I feel like spice Rocks feeling good in a good headspace,
Speaker 1: and we're getting so far, so good we are, I
Speaker 1: would say, so far, spice Rack not feeling good. I'm
Speaker 1: feeling terrible. All right, Well, just stay confidently. You tried
Speaker 1: to show some seeds of you know, dissent among us,
Speaker 1: so that was a tough start. I actually I actually
Speaker 1: gave him points for that. Right now, he's sitting at
Speaker 1: a solid B right now and maybe trending upward west.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. The VIC thing. I heard Trent Dilfer, who
Speaker 1: knows quite a bit about quarterbacks, say he's light years
Speaker 1: ahead of Vic as a prospect. I I go back
Speaker 1: to two thousand one, and to me, Vic was not
Speaker 1: only the number one overall pick, but there was no
Speaker 1: debate about it. Right he was viewed as the most
Speaker 1: exciting exceptional college player we've ever seen at the time.
Speaker 1: How is it that Lamar Jackson is is viewed by
Speaker 1: someone like Dilford his light years ahead of Vic as
Speaker 1: a prospect, And do you see him as light years
Speaker 1: ahead of where Vic was? I see light years ahead
Speaker 1: as a as a thrower. I just think um quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in general are coached up a lot more off season
Speaker 1: and seven on sevens and as well as just in games.
Speaker 1: I mean, Frank Beamer Virginia Tech, they couldn't have run
Speaker 1: a more antiquated offense. Todowns one of his years. Michael Vick,
Speaker 1: It's like he didn't throw them. What's that? Yeah, Michael
Speaker 1: Vick barely threw the ball in college, right, And what
Speaker 1: he did it was a radic and they tried to
Speaker 1: sort of, uh, you know, run, you know, uh I formation,
Speaker 1: and you know that's not the way to spring Vic free. Uh.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is a lot, a lot more polished as
Speaker 1: a passer. I don't think there's any question about that.
Speaker 1: And I've heard a lot of talk that now that
Speaker 1: r p O is the rage now that Jackson, if
Speaker 1: he's in the right offense of the right play caller,
Speaker 1: he could thrive in that type of setup set up,
Speaker 1: although there have been real questions about his accuracy as well,
Speaker 1: so he's not perfect. I think it's overrated. I think
Speaker 1: it's overrated big time. I think he needs to rain
Speaker 1: it back in. As far as uh trying some of
Speaker 1: these Aaron Rodgers passes, he's not. He's not there yet,
Speaker 1: but he's so much again erratic of the word I
Speaker 1: use because if we're gonna do a comparison with Vic,
Speaker 1: I mean, VIC was all over the place. Lamar Jackson, Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a nice passer. When you saw him
Speaker 1: on you know, his best days, he looked just unstoppable.
Speaker 1: But he's by no means uh like a huge projects
Speaker 1: as a passer. I just don't see it. Spice Rack.
Speaker 1: Is it an indictment of the National Football League scouting
Speaker 1: base and front offices one through thirty two that he's
Speaker 1: not seen as one of these top four? That there's
Speaker 1: the four quarterbacks then somewhere in the deep distances Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: who some team is gonna try to pick and then
Speaker 1: mold an offense around. I mean, how can you be
Speaker 1: the most electrified an athlete in the draft and being
Speaker 1: sort of comprehensively ignored up to this point compared to
Speaker 1: the other four quarterbacks, each of them who have known flaws.
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, do you believe that Bill
Speaker 1: Polian still has all of his faculties? No on Bill Polian.
Speaker 1: Last question first, Jim, but this top four, top five stuff,
Speaker 1: there's a softball for me. I mean, Josh Allen, what
Speaker 1: has he done other than measure I mean, he's in
Speaker 1: a lower level conference. He didn't raise the level of
Speaker 1: the competition. And let's not forget how athletic he is
Speaker 1: with that big, strong arm. Let's say a comparison might
Speaker 1: be Jay Cutler. Remember young Jake Cutler was very mobile
Speaker 1: when he was at Vanderbilt and had nobody on his
Speaker 1: team and was against SEC defenses. He was in games
Speaker 1: till the bitter end. Damn weak. Josh Allen was unimpressive.
Speaker 1: Always show me what he did ever to impress? And
Speaker 1: so uh, the size and the arm strength, I get it,
Speaker 1: and I'm not looking at every little thing. So but
Speaker 1: I can't imagine take in Josh Allen over Lamar jack
Speaker 1: all Right, how about this? Here we go ceiling for
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson as an NFL player and a player cop
Speaker 1: and a floor I mean, this is this gonna get
Speaker 1: you into a minus territory if you nail this your appearance,
Speaker 1: there's not the ceiling. If you're looking for player comparison,
Speaker 1: I don't really have one body type. He reminds me
Speaker 1: of Jake Plumber. But I don't know who who do
Speaker 1: what you want me to freaking lie? I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean Randall Cunningham was slight, not preferably
Speaker 1: slightly built, but he was a lot taller, you know.
Speaker 1: And Robert Griffin the third again, I saw it like
Speaker 1: a robot who happened to be fast. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Here's why he's I get to he he's uh he
Speaker 1: Shan Watson does not have the physical ability of Lamar Jackson, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. There is no it's hard to
Speaker 1: compare because he's a new generation player. That's why. Like
Speaker 1: not that I'm a scout, but like watching Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: It is I'm writing about this for this week, like
Speaker 1: it is surprising to me. And maybe everyone is wrong.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a Big four. Maybe you're right, spice Wreck,
Speaker 1: and the NFL agrees with you, and he's gonna go
Speaker 1: in the top ten. Uh, Like I don't think that's
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be that surprising. At this
Speaker 1: point last year Deshaun Watson, but no one thought he
Speaker 1: was going in the top and teams are trading. Who's
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna fall beyond even twelve? I think everyone
Speaker 1: would agree with you. At this point. Almost every Jackson
Speaker 1: literally every end of a twelve is totally literally every
Speaker 1: mock draft on her website right now has him falling
Speaker 1: past that. I don't, I don't I could. I totally
Speaker 1: feel like when these four other quarterbacks, if that's how
Speaker 1: it happens get plucked up early, someone is gonna jump
Speaker 1: up and make sure they don't sit around at eighteen
Speaker 1: or nineteen waiting to Lamar Jackson fall from them. That
Speaker 1: is nuns. My thought is maybe that he's a he's
Speaker 1: a terrifying probles not to pass on. My thought is
Speaker 1: he might go ahead of those guys, though, why not?
Speaker 1: Because he he is like he his upside is the
Speaker 1: greatest running quarterback of all time. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: that crazy. He's coming into the league as maybe the
Speaker 1: greatest running quarterback in college football history. The only comparison
Speaker 1: is VIC and he's like kind of fifteen years later
Speaker 1: than Vic. So he's obviously like just at another level
Speaker 1: in terms of his running like that seems to have
Speaker 1: such a hypate interrupt You have that real sturdy build,
Speaker 1: and so Vic, even though he was terrible at avoiding
Speaker 1: his his body was meant to, you know, built to
Speaker 1: endure that a little more. He could talk, He could,
Speaker 1: you know, he could. There's a little so Jackson is vulnerable.
Speaker 1: He's slide a frame and he still thinks he's Superman
Speaker 1: back there. But they have that seam wiggle and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what else when they get outside the pocket
Speaker 1: that you know there's not Manny Aaron Rodgers on the
Speaker 1: short list, you know, maybe like Maddie Stafford. I'm not
Speaker 1: put Lamar Jackson's arm strength and those three guys category necessarily,
Speaker 1: But that wrist snap, I know you guys must know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, just sort of like on the
Speaker 1: move and I mean it's it's not a wasted motion
Speaker 1: at all. It gets there in a hurry and it's uh, Jamar,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's done a lot of things as a thrower
Speaker 1: and just a quarterback. What I mean, he's the Louisville Okay,
Speaker 1: Louisville is not like you know, it's not one of
Speaker 1: the blue blood college football programs. It's it's okay, And
Speaker 1: he had Bobby Petrino coaching him. But he's running it
Speaker 1: up on Florida State or running it up on North
Speaker 1: to whoever. And I mean, he's just to put a boat,
Speaker 1: just to put a bowl on this one. Um, what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from you is not only is it wrong
Speaker 1: to say that he's a huge project who will take
Speaker 1: a year or two, but if a team would be
Speaker 1: forfeiting one of the advantages of having him by sitting
Speaker 1: him on the bench, because if you, as you said,
Speaker 1: if you have a coach, you can do it. He
Speaker 1: has a he has the potential to take the league
Speaker 1: by storm if defenses aren't ready for him. And if
Speaker 1: you're sitting him on the bench, you're of fitting that potential.
Speaker 1: West couldn't have said any better, buddy, I mean you,
Speaker 1: but you drop him, Kyle Shanahan, or you drop him?
Speaker 1: What about Josh McDaniels. Of course, I mean, hey, that
Speaker 1: sounds that sounds like a beautiful relationship to me. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll see it's not a Tim Tebow situation. It's not
Speaker 1: a Tim Tebow situation. But the right play caller. I mean,
Speaker 1: I will say flat out, there's no way that Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: even if it's a six or eight game, uh you
Speaker 1: know segment of one season that he doesn't absolutely light
Speaker 1: it up with smart even without smart play calling. Really,
Speaker 1: but if he has the right guy dialing it up,
Speaker 1: I mean, Lamar Jackson is not gonna miss an open
Speaker 1: guy down. He's not gonna under throw it to be safe.
Speaker 1: You know some tebow tebow lab duck. That's not the case.
Speaker 1: This guy can really throw it. When you see him
Speaker 1: with the ball in your hands, I mean he's electric. Electric.
Speaker 1: You've made incredible case for your boy. I'll even let
Speaker 1: you real quick. We gotta go, but I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you yes or no on this. If you want to
Speaker 1: get in for the first time, gonna go get my
Speaker 1: lunch prop that Lamar Jackson goes top ten. Do you
Speaker 1: want to put sandwiches out there as a prop? Throw
Speaker 1: it out there and then we have a chance to
Speaker 1: take you on it if you want to do it
Speaker 1: just for fun. Yes, anybody want to take Yes. I
Speaker 1: so agree with him. I just think this is gonna
Speaker 1: He's gonna get rushed up the board at the idea.
Speaker 1: It's nice and in early you know, February to say
Speaker 1: this to go in round two. Nonsense, nonsense, not will
Speaker 1: take you up on that now, that was gonna be
Speaker 1: one of my props. Jackson goes in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Oh really sorry about that. It's all right. Wow, he
Speaker 1: was involved in one of my props too. But in
Speaker 1: the spirit of this game, I will take spice Rack
Speaker 1: on the right. So West and I will take you
Speaker 1: on a spice Rack I, as you know, will be
Speaker 1: in Vegas and in a few days and next because
Speaker 1: we are friends. We are buddies. Now. We talked about
Speaker 1: WrestleMania seven and things of that nature. So if if
Speaker 1: if you do, in fact lose that prop, I'll be
Speaker 1: right in your neighborhood to collect both on behalf of
Speaker 1: myself and Chris West. Bring alright, hey, spice Rack. Great
Speaker 1: meeting with you guys, A minus. Really nice work today.
Speaker 1: All right, get back to work, speck there he goes,
Speaker 1: all right, there we go. When I hear him say
Speaker 1: we are friends, it tells me that there was a
Speaker 1: period of time, as Greg and West and Mark have
Speaker 1: suspected where you were not when we weren't close friends
Speaker 1: well when something dark and mysterious happened that I think
Speaker 1: potentially one or one of you or the both of
Speaker 1: you don't clearly remember, but there was a sense of
Speaker 1: falling out. If only we could get an insider to
Speaker 1: report on this. I mean, I have not seen spice
Speaker 1: Rack since that first meeting, so I don't know what
Speaker 1: could have changed. But maybe you're right, maybe you're not
Speaker 1: time past, time past, all right, So it's a great way,
Speaker 1: a great seg now into Go Get My Lunch draft edition.
Speaker 1: We already have one prop on the board that Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson goes in the top ten. West and the old
Speaker 1: Zeuser have taken spice Rack up on that, and of
Speaker 1: course track all the props on Go Get my Lunch
Speaker 1: dot org. Nick fourtier amazing work. He has the all
Speaker 1: time standings, he has a soundboard, he has who owes whom?
Speaker 1: Uh and just so everyone knows, last year, Uh, West,
Speaker 1: you had a nice draft eight and five. Mark. What
Speaker 1: I was referring to last year was two year props.
Speaker 1: It will rain during draft hours. That was not a
Speaker 1: terrible and it almost did, by the way, but it
Speaker 1: did not. And a team a team misses a pick
Speaker 1: that was probably your giving away sandwich is on on
Speaker 1: one level, that's only happened what once and something that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a bit off the cuff, but at the
Speaker 1: same time there were animals making picks and picks arriving
Speaker 1: by spaceship and stuff, so you know, and uh, it
Speaker 1: should it should be all so mentioned Greg that the
Speaker 1: old Juicer went eleven and two last year, so I have, ah,
Speaker 1: that is probably the all time greatest single round in
Speaker 1: this game. So I have a lot to uh people,
Speaker 1: there is there is people you got. There's still a
Speaker 1: buzz about how you did in last year's sandwich wager.
Speaker 1: I did a thirty for thirty about it. Actually I
Speaker 1: just recorded my part. It took a couple YESPN passed
Speaker 1: on that, but you yourself came up. All right, So
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Go around the board. But we'll
Speaker 1: start as we always do, with a universal prop. And
Speaker 1: this universal prop, uh, the second quarterback off the board
Speaker 1: will be blank, second, second, because we don't even know
Speaker 1: exactly first too easy, exactly, Well, we could say first
Speaker 1: and then most of them maybe Baker Mayfield and maybe
Speaker 1: make Sam Donald the second quarterback. Like that, that's what
Speaker 1: it's about. Greg. Let's go around the room starting with you,
Speaker 1: Mark all right, second quarterback off the board, and I
Speaker 1: expect it to go to the New York Jets will
Speaker 1: be Baker Mayfield. Okay, Chris Wesley, Josh Rosen. I was
Speaker 1: waffling on those two options because Rosen is starting to
Speaker 1: pick up some heat with the Jets now after Mayfield
Speaker 1: for the last ten days or so. But I will
Speaker 1: stick with Baker Mayfield, second quarterback off the board, Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: your boy, Mark goes first. I guess I go Baker. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Now we go through it starting with you,
Speaker 1: Mark Seessler, your first prop. Alright. The tie in that
Speaker 1: I mentioned prediction NFL Network draft crystal baller Mike Mayock
Speaker 1: again becomes a major side plot by destroying the league's
Speaker 1: somewhat cornery corny day three shenanigans. I will quantify this
Speaker 1: by saying, a that's how you would measure a winner
Speaker 1: loss here. Yeah, that's important. Mayock trends on Twitter to
Speaker 1: some tangible degree. I mean, like legit Twitter heat, because
Speaker 1: here's your thing. Maybe us trend us trend that's the
Speaker 1: little side on a draft day. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: too much to ask, because I think there's another world
Speaker 1: here where they basically say they get an is here
Speaker 1: and say no more, you stay silent on all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's I'm just saying there's a world. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then alright, so part B of quantifying this, there
Speaker 1: at least a handful of articles, you know, all over
Speaker 1: the place written that quantify how much Mayock hates Day
Speaker 1: three of the draft and its ultra excessive wave of
Speaker 1: tedious bells and whistles that ponderously slow the process to
Speaker 1: a crawl, while guaranteeing that our Saturday wrap up pod,
Speaker 1: which used to operate efficiently, now begins at like sixty
Speaker 1: five Pacific time due to all the white hot, overly
Speaker 1: slick anti drama. Uh, this narrative is very basically not done.
Speaker 1: Not done. Basically, Mayo's annoyance needs to become a thing,
Speaker 1: and you guys, you guys can decide if it does
Speaker 1: or does not. Have to bet against that, you would say,
Speaker 1: essentially it's going to pass without being a thing. Well there,
Speaker 1: I My honest feeling on this is that NFL network
Speaker 1: is already baking this into their coverage. That's why the
Speaker 1: cockatoo or the parrot is involved, and whether it's that's
Speaker 1: or not, they are going to needle mayok on it
Speaker 1: until they get the reaction they need. But you have
Speaker 1: incredible power because if you decide yes, it becomes a thing,
Speaker 1: you will owe me sandwiches. But if the three of
Speaker 1: you decide it does not become a thing, the same
Speaker 1: way that you snowbald me with the Philly Special, I
Speaker 1: will be teed up to purchase yet another round of
Speaker 1: meat and few sandwiches for three well fed whites already
Speaker 1: making a bundle of money to cover a child's game.
Speaker 1: Um teed up as far as it goes when it
Speaker 1: comes to you paying out your sandwiches. Right, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like about I'm gonna buy one of those like
Speaker 1: heroes that go the entire length of the news this point.
Speaker 1: So you're the this I do. I feel like this
Speaker 1: time won't happen. I'm saying it will happen. Who would
Speaker 1: disagree with that? Well? I feel like the the this,
Speaker 1: the engine behind this particular prop got a little destroyed
Speaker 1: in our in our pre game, and I had nothing
Speaker 1: else prepared. We didn't bring it up. It was always
Speaker 1: about just you make in this rant rather than a prop.
Speaker 1: Let's let's keep it really here. This is I think
Speaker 1: someone should take I think someone should take me up. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a huge gamble. But I'm gambling that Mayok
Speaker 1: has learned how to laugh at himself. But even then
Speaker 1: it will become a thing and be trending, and they'll
Speaker 1: make it himself. But if he's I think it won't trend.
Speaker 1: If he is like kind of playing along but being
Speaker 1: kind of annoyed and no one really sense his real
Speaker 1: annoyments of the draft, there's not a lot of pop.
Speaker 1: That's the whole idea. Beyond trending on Twitter, there will
Speaker 1: be articles all over the place. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: find how much I will give you. I will give
Speaker 1: you the copy that is your You can deal with that.
Speaker 1: You can decide whether they have to be both or
Speaker 1: just one of the two. At least a handful of
Speaker 1: articles written about how much Mayok hates I think both,
Speaker 1: because I'm saying it's got to super strong. It's gotta
Speaker 1: be both. It's gotta be both. It's got to be articles,
Speaker 1: people writing articles. It's gotta be Twitter trending in America.
Speaker 1: And you know, you deciding whether or not it is
Speaker 1: what it what is the determination or what determines what
Speaker 1: a real article is just have to show up in
Speaker 1: a published It's not time, but it's not going to
Speaker 1: be up in newsweek or Time necessarily, but it's going
Speaker 1: to be really anywhere flood of sports articles. I think
Speaker 1: the Mayok is legitimately annoyed, but he's playing for the
Speaker 1: camera and is not going to allow himself to be needled,
Speaker 1: so he'll go along with it. Well, let's see, alright,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that one. I gotta think about
Speaker 1: it a little bit longer. The second part is a
Speaker 1: little there's really quantify it. Yeah, I think I'm walking
Speaker 1: into a trap. You have extreme powers, So anyways, continue
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm gonna stay away from that. The Colts
Speaker 1: will not draft at number six overall. M sure. I'll
Speaker 1: take it on that just for the fun of it.
Speaker 1: I certainly see that going either way. I believe that
Speaker 1: the cults are wrote about this in a mail back today.
Speaker 1: I think they are in what they hope is going
Speaker 1: to be like a accelerated rebuild, where they're looking at
Speaker 1: this year as a way to get everything back on
Speaker 1: track and have luck playing and use this draft to rebuild,
Speaker 1: and they didn't spend in free agency. They'll spend next year.
Speaker 1: So I think it would make sense if what my
Speaker 1: hunches there is correct is that they are going to
Speaker 1: trade back, get more draft picks, and continue to patch
Speaker 1: a roster that has so many holes. I'm with you,
Speaker 1: and I feel like they during the team press conference
Speaker 1: about the draft, they made it almost painfully clear, Oh,
Speaker 1: we see you know, primetime players down at twelve, thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: almost two telecast, we're going to move down, and we
Speaker 1: already told you that we believe we got a good
Speaker 1: player at that place that we didn't. If Chubb fell
Speaker 1: to them at six, I could see them sticking. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to And I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think they've always broadcast high trade possibility, and there's
Speaker 1: too many teams that got a race up to get Cardinals.
Speaker 1: They have that was kind of advertising, like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: at place you can come and draft. If they stayed
Speaker 1: there in draft, Quentin Nelson, which a lot of peop
Speaker 1: well speculated that would be a perfect pick for them,
Speaker 1: But six is so value they already they already you
Speaker 1: you know you had your trade value chart. The other day.
Speaker 1: They already with the Jets in terms of the trade value.
Speaker 1: I mean, they picked up incredible value, and so I
Speaker 1: think they'll be happy with that. And there's so such
Speaker 1: good players. I'll say those stay. Nobody's wiping them. If
Speaker 1: the Jets get their quarterback the floor. Yeah yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying in terms of your trading value chart, they
Speaker 1: I'm taking them up just just because it's I think
Speaker 1: it's less likely than I like to do, because of
Speaker 1: the team I know the most. I always like to
Speaker 1: do one, Jets one. So I'll just say the Jets
Speaker 1: will draft Baker Mayfield. Anybody taking me up on that,
Speaker 1: and I get the field every other, every other every quarterback, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Why not? Well, I like I always.
Speaker 1: I have few. I have a few rules that actually,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of go against you as a as
Speaker 1: someone that would you know, wager here it's not really smart.
Speaker 1: But I like them all the line up. I want
Speaker 1: to root for the same thing. I already said Mayfield
Speaker 1: to the Jets are as the second quarterbacks. So I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna have to not take you. I just fully
Speaker 1: believe they're taking me. I don't want to have two
Speaker 1: that are opposite each other. So I just got West. Apologies,
Speaker 1: you know what, because the other reason I lose in
Speaker 1: this game is like, oh no, it's better for the
Speaker 1: show if I just take can up on something that
Speaker 1: your head. You believe me, I'm up in my head
Speaker 1: on this game. Okay, alright, So I just got West there,
Speaker 1: all right, you're up. I will go with the Patriots
Speaker 1: take a quarterback in round one? What that, well, I will.
Speaker 1: I totally might. You will find out that I agree
Speaker 1: with you. So I'm not taking you up in that
Speaker 1: course of taking a quarterback in round one. You're saying,
Speaker 1: I said round one, I'll take you. I'll take hanging it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're going round to Remember, everybody's got to
Speaker 1: have at least one onion Hangar that might have to
Speaker 1: qualify because he took my Lamar Jackson in the top ten.
Speaker 1: I'm scrambling. I'm scrambling like Lamar. That ruins mine. Well,
Speaker 1: I can expound on Greg's I'm not like seven players
Speaker 1: in this draft, so it's tough to have a round
Speaker 1: two mark. Okay, this is very similar to Greg's. But
Speaker 1: in the past, we've seen the Patriots address positional needs
Speaker 1: positional needs by drafting players in bunches Bunches Dan. They
Speaker 1: did at a tight end in two thousand ten with
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. They did it running back
Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven with Shane Vereen and Stephen Ridley.
Speaker 1: They did it in by nabbing three defensive lineman with
Speaker 1: their first four picks. This in this introduction. This introduction
Speaker 1: on my part, laced with a heavy dose of cherry
Speaker 1: picking to push a point. It's my way of saying,
Speaker 1: the Patriots will select no less than two quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: this draft, not one, but two. Anything less than I
Speaker 1: will owe sandwiches to a trio of Caucasian football heads
Speaker 1: and feel inclined to endlessly based in studio parlor games
Speaker 1: around food and vice. I will certainly get this bet.
Speaker 1: Raw gonna be forced to uber to an overly ornate
Speaker 1: sandwich shop in the middle of some Los Angeles hipster
Speaker 1: mecca to pick up Vietnamese roast beef dipped lamb heroes
Speaker 1: for a three pack of football scribes who can't get
Speaker 1: enough animal product in their bellies while kicking their feet
Speaker 1: up on the chair and watching the clicks roll in
Speaker 1: on articles and beauty with their untouchable Gridiron knowledge. This
Speaker 1: sounds like a fantasy world. Where can I get that mark?
Speaker 1: I'm stuck with the one who never pays off his sandwich?
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, great, those guys driving all over Los Angeles
Speaker 1: pay off his debts. That's sound delicious. Why is there
Speaker 1: still glitter on this table from November? And? Um? I
Speaker 1: will take you. I will definitely take you two qubs.
Speaker 1: That's how you do this. I'll take you. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't feel great about it. I think
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Maybe if one in the first
Speaker 1: and one in the sixth and then yer beat it.
Speaker 1: That does sound exactly like what they do. So but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you. Just on Prince all right for
Speaker 1: calling us, you know, Caucasians, and don't think we forgot
Speaker 1: when you went on the USO trip. You never said
Speaker 1: boo to any of those guys that were eating steaks
Speaker 1: and all sorts of meals the entire time. Come back
Speaker 1: here and you're picking on us about our eating habits.
Speaker 1: I was their guest on some level, nor was I
Speaker 1: was not going They were also three or four times
Speaker 1: larger than they were guests. I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit there like hig, I've known you for eight hours.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start picking on the third dish that you've
Speaker 1: ordered as a main course tonight. I'm intrigued by these
Speaker 1: Vietnamese heroes because that's inherently are Greek, and you got
Speaker 1: the vietname. You know, these guys sandwiches. That's one time
Speaker 1: what Mark's referring to it and now closed establishment. But
Speaker 1: one time Mark had to pay off sandwiches and when
Speaker 1: and got us all bond me sandwiches and and Mark
Speaker 1: was completely repulsed by the thing. No, I just it
Speaker 1: was like, it was like, what really, this is what
Speaker 1: you picked alright? West Europe? Oh well, staying with the
Speaker 1: Patriots quarterbacks. Patriots will not trade up for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They won't trade up. They will not trade I will
Speaker 1: take you on that great quarterback. I will take you
Speaker 1: on that. As much as it would be saucy if
Speaker 1: they did, I think it's more likely that they do not.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm going there's so many Patriots quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: so Greg your philosophy of staying consistent, who's the quarterback
Speaker 1: that's gonna fall to them in the first round. If
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's going in the top ten. I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'll see Mason Rudolph maybe, all right, who knows. I
Speaker 1: like this one. Um, actually, I'll save that one for
Speaker 1: my last one because it's pretty wild. Uh, you gotta
Speaker 1: go three in an onion hanging. Here we go. One
Speaker 1: of the Big four. It's a little bit onion is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose one of the Big four. And as
Speaker 1: we know Donald Rose and Mayfield, Allen is drafted by
Speaker 1: a two thousand seventeen playoff team. Good Allen, I'll show
Speaker 1: you a little bit of all grown, huge onions. I
Speaker 1: love it, and I'll take you. I love it because
Speaker 1: almost certainly Jetson Brown's taking quarterbacks. So it's really just
Speaker 1: to those two guys. I mean, the only thing though,
Speaker 1: Bills makes it. It's the Bills. It's the Bills. He
Speaker 1: A'm not gonna take you on that. Oh that's some
Speaker 1: stinky bait. I can't. I'm not taking you because the
Speaker 1: Bills are taking a quarterback. They absolutely are. Unless there's
Speaker 1: no quarterback from them, they are, they are. But if
Speaker 1: they take Lamar to Jackson, Dan still went, No, you
Speaker 1: said that's true, that's true. Yeah, it has to be
Speaker 1: one of the Big Four's. It is silly that Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's like Mark Jackson's like I beat Deshaun Watson and
Speaker 1: the Heisman, and I can't get in a grip like
Speaker 1: Josh Allen through six interceptions against the JV. So who's
Speaker 1: taking me on this? Do you say that one of
Speaker 1: the playoff teams drafts one team that made the playoffs
Speaker 1: draft one of the top four quarterbacks. Of the four
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks Donald Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, one of those guys
Speaker 1: or more gets drafted by a playoff team from this
Speaker 1: past season. I'm not going to take it just because
Speaker 1: of the Bills factor. Bill still banging you all this
Speaker 1: time later, I think, are the trading up with the
Speaker 1: cult scenario that I that I see so nothing sorry,
Speaker 1: stinky bait, nothing there. Well, don't you think that's I
Speaker 1: would I would think that's that would be a favorite.
Speaker 1: You pet that up in the board and old spice
Speaker 1: Racks employers, you know, would be favorites. That would be
Speaker 1: a favorite. I would think the Bills take one of
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks. That's what I'm saying. So now I'm not
Speaker 1: You're okay, You're up, Greg, all right, get ready, because
Speaker 1: you know you guys maybe haven't been doing the studying.
Speaker 1: But watch out because Isaiah Win spelled I s A
Speaker 1: I A h Isaiah Win, a guard from Georgia, really
Speaker 1: like what he does as a row greater gets taken
Speaker 1: and picks seven to thirty two about stinky bait. Hold on,
Speaker 1: I gotta google is Ai win? Hardly a sexy proposition,
Speaker 1: but if it was supposed to be recognizing the fact
Speaker 1: that I have no idea about any of these players
Speaker 1: or what's gonna happen, right, well, it's a straight guest
Speaker 1: for all of them. I'll take you up because it's
Speaker 1: gonna Why not pick a guy in a spot. You're
Speaker 1: being subversive as I feel like it's probably gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You're gonna win this and run around the hallways glowing.
Speaker 1: But I'll just take you up. This is exactly how
Speaker 1: Greg gets to top the standings and then brags about
Speaker 1: it forever. Because have I said one word some guard
Speaker 1: gets picked at to thirty two? Or what I have
Speaker 1: I said? Have I bragged about this? I'm with you us.
Speaker 1: I think the competitive it's not a competitive it's not
Speaker 1: a competitive one. Just forgetting I will take it. Look
Speaker 1: at we'll see what happens, but you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: any credit if it checks out. I don't want on
Speaker 1: any credit trying to end this parlor game such a qualifier. Um,
Speaker 1: if you get to a point, whether it's too many
Speaker 1: things you don't want to do with our show, you
Speaker 1: could leave the show. It's not it's not that you're
Speaker 1: killing off. Go get my lunch or just maybe for
Speaker 1: the draft. You know, we don't really you know. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that privately. Alright, Mark, last round. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to decide which one to go with here. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, how about this. We will see no less
Speaker 1: than four trades before we get to pick twenty, and
Speaker 1: that that means trades that could happen starting now where
Speaker 1: someone trades up to number two. But like, there are
Speaker 1: at least four trades that impact the top twenty and
Speaker 1: not less. You know what, I looked back and around
Speaker 1: because I've done something like this before and I got
Speaker 1: waxed in the past, because it doesn't happen as much
Speaker 1: as you think it would be kind It would be
Speaker 1: rare to see four. There isn't a lot. The Jets
Speaker 1: trade doesn't count. Has to be a draft, I would say, well,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think? Does that not count? I
Speaker 1: don't think that should count. That really would only be
Speaker 1: three from run out. I'll safe, I'll say four more
Speaker 1: trades feels very and or or would it have to
Speaker 1: be like during the draft? No, no, I think no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Because if if the Bills traded number two in two hours,
Speaker 1: that's one of that. Yeah, I'll take you on it.
Speaker 1: It's a good one. I'll take you that seems like
Speaker 1: a good over under though that sounds about right, I
Speaker 1: am not going to take it. I think the smart
Speaker 1: money would be to take it. But I have um
Speaker 1: as Mark sometimes does go by intuition, and I just
Speaker 1: have a feeling there are going to be trade cool alright,
Speaker 1: If the Giants stay at number two, they draft a quarterback,
Speaker 1: I will take you on that. I will take you too.
Speaker 1: I like that. That's my onion. Yeah, that is one,
Speaker 1: and I like it. It's an onion hanger that's got
Speaker 1: a chance to reel in a lot of sandwiches. Because
Speaker 1: I'll take you on it too. M all right, it's
Speaker 1: a good one. Because logic still dictates, or it makes
Speaker 1: sense that the Giants would take a quarterback. Everything points
Speaker 1: to they should take a quarterback, and we've heard nothing
Speaker 1: except for the if Donald falls maybe and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: It feels like maybe a smoke screen. I'll take you
Speaker 1: on it, but would not be surprised. I think I'm
Speaker 1: not likely to win it. But what the heck? Hanging onion?
Speaker 1: You gotta hanging onion? Walla Walla is a big onion.
Speaker 1: Giant sweet Spanish onions are good, and a red Zeppelin
Speaker 1: is a big red onion. All Right, this one, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give credit to Sylvester Valda Rama on Twitter, who
Speaker 1: threw it out there as an option to do it
Speaker 1: and I liked it. At least one player from every
Speaker 1: major position outside kicker and punter gets drafted in the
Speaker 1: first round. Quarterback, running back, tight end, wide receiver, tackle, guards, center,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, defensive end, outside linebacker, middle linebacker or inside linebacker, cornerback. Safety.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got safety covered, which is one you could look
Speaker 1: at and say maybe not yeah, judging looking at the
Speaker 1: kind of the I'm I'm now just scrolling through mock
Speaker 1: drafts essentially, and she eating. Uh. Wouldn't that be the
Speaker 1: case in a lot of first rounds, except for the
Speaker 1: center that might be your problem. There's only one. There's
Speaker 1: there's one option, James Daniels. I'll take you because it's fun.
Speaker 1: I've heard three centers bandy to bat as a first
Speaker 1: round pick, because the rest are almost all certain. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is. This feels like about a
Speaker 1: fifty fifty. I feel like we are going to see
Speaker 1: every position. I'm no one. No one has taken any
Speaker 1: of Dan's. It is the way to play, it is his,
Speaker 1: it is his birthday, and I'm going to take it
Speaker 1: to be a gentleman. Thank you, Mark, It's very kind
Speaker 1: of you, and I guess I won't because to me,
Speaker 1: it would be very Basically, center is the only position
Speaker 1: that possibly couldn't be taken almost all the other end, right,
Speaker 1: I see at that tight end position. It's starting to
Speaker 1: feel like I gotta get in, get in. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna take it. Okay, Finally, Greg, and I'll go because
Speaker 1: I think I feel like you're you usually are right.
Speaker 1: If you choose the quarterbacks to get taken earlier than expected,
Speaker 1: I'll go. Mason Rudolph goes before pick seven or earlier,
Speaker 1: so he'll be the sixth quarterback taken. In theory. I'll
Speaker 1: even make it more specific for for no reason whatsoever,
Speaker 1: just throwing away sandwich is that he'll be the sixth
Speaker 1: quarterback and get taken twenty seven. In earlier I will
Speaker 1: take you specificity, I will. I'll take you too. I
Speaker 1: like that I was good overly specific, just so I
Speaker 1: would avoid trying to say it's such specificity, such a
Speaker 1: hard word, overly laser focused. Yes, I'll take you on
Speaker 1: that for sure, because it's I think you're feeling. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's New England's move the Saints. I mean I picked
Speaker 1: seven as a possibility as the back stop there. Oh,
Speaker 1: this this is the year. The Saints tell all the
Speaker 1: reporters every year that they're going to take a first
Speaker 1: round quarter back, and they never did. I think they tried,
Speaker 1: they wanted. They've been doing it since Grays and Garrett
Speaker 1: Garrett Grayson or whatever his name was, Dick Grayson, Robbin's
Speaker 1: alter you go whatever is um go get my lunch
Speaker 1: dot org. It is the fine site run by Nick
Speaker 1: Fortier to track all of our wages. And we will
Speaker 1: circle back to this on Saturday's draft. And I should
Speaker 1: remind everyone listening of the schedule because it is different
Speaker 1: this week. The next time you'll hear from us is
Speaker 1: Thursday Night, will record late Thursday after the first round
Speaker 1: is completed, a complete round one recap, and then you'll
Speaker 1: hear from us again. It only happens a couple of
Speaker 1: times a year, maybe once a year we do a
Speaker 1: Saturday show, uh, and we will do the full seven
Speaker 1: round recap, maybe some winners and losers. Uh. Like I said,
Speaker 1: go over our props, and that will be mark. The
Speaker 1: off season will begin after that show, yes or no, yes,
Speaker 1: because it certainly has not been an offseason I think
Speaker 1: for any of us on any level at all. Right,
Speaker 1: that will get that gets you to the point where
Speaker 1: there isn't Hey, every five days there's a massive NFL
Speaker 1: tent pole event that you must attend or latch onto intellectually.
Speaker 1: I mean, it'll be it'll be a bit of a
Speaker 1: drag because we'll have to get marked down from the ceiling.
Speaker 1: He's hanging out, listen. Just move it along on day
Speaker 1: three and also come on our two D two for
Speaker 1: God's sakes, and just to put this on your radar. Mark,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking later later in June, I'm gonna talk to
Speaker 1: some people. Have you covered the Rookie Premier event? In
Speaker 1: downtown Hollywood. I've done that before, did it with you,
Speaker 1: and once was enough alright. So yes, you'll hear from
Speaker 1: us on Thursday night, Draft Round one, where a lot
Speaker 1: of things will be different, so lots to look forward to. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is Dan Hanson signing off for a quiet storm,
Speaker 1: the Mailman, the Old Boss, and Lindsey Fulton behind the glass.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that drop, Lindsay was very kind of you.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday all right, Tell Draft night a peper