1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's capital. I'll talk here in Washington, 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: d C turns to President elect Joe Biden's administration, historically 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: speaking the markets that performed better when there is divided government. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: The biggest pressure for physical stimulus is an up taking cases. 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg sound on the insiders, the influencers, the inside fiding 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: has promised again and again to unite the country's state 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: government's control elections left in the constitution. I think that 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: we can expect a smooth, thoughtful, methodical transition. This is 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg and one 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: oh five point seven f M h D two. We 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: made it through two thousand and twenty. The SMP five 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: rallied to close the year at a record high. Meanwhile, 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: New York and California and the year shattering records on 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: the coronavirus. A lot to get through money. Benjaminston is 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: going to break down what's happening for us at the 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: White House, and that's where we begin. We've got sound 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: on the floor from Sentimentarity Leader Chuck Schumer on this 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve day, the Senatementarity leader responding to Senate 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's claim that Democrats are focused on 20 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars stimulus checks and are undoing the other 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: two of President Trump's concerns. Take a listen. Just to 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: prove it. Let me make this offer to the Republican majority. 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: We're willing to vote on the other issues that President 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: Trump mentioned, all the issues the Republican leader says must 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: be addressed as so long as we vote on them separately. 26 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: Leader McConnell had this to say, barring from our grandkids 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: to do socialism for rich people is a terrible way 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: to get help to families who actually need it. Joining 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: us now is Wendy Benjaminson, Bloomberg Politics Editor, Wendy, Happy 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve. It looks like the two thousand dollars 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: stimulus check is not gonna happen this year. It does 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: look like that, and happy New Year. Because we don't 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: want to say it couldn't be worse. I don't want 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: to say that. I didn't just say that money. It's 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: just us a two thousand dollars stimulus checks not happening. 36 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: It's a it's a done deal. Looks like it's gonna 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: if it is gonna happen, it's gonna have to happen 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: in the Biden administration. That's right, That's right. Miss McConnell 39 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: has arranged it, um, pretty neatly so that that they're 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: not going to happen. I mean, I don't I can't 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: get into miss McDonnell's brain, but I have a feeling 42 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: that he is deeply irritated with Donald Trump for um, 43 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, for not signing we're signing the bill, but 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: then pushing them for the two thousand dollars stimulus checks, 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: which of course played into the Democrats hands and left 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: him with a big mess to deal with right at 47 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: the end of the year. And so I think that's 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: one of the motivations behind linking it to election fraud 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: and the other things that Donald Trump wanted, which turned 50 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: it into a poison pill. All right. Meanwhile, the head 51 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: ons out to Georgia. We're Senator David Purdue is quarantining 52 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: after exposure to COVID nineteen. Not exactly how he was 53 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: planning to spend his New Year's Eve in the final 54 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: lead up to the campaign election, right, I mean, it's 55 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: a lot more than New Year's Eve too. He has 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: Trump is going down there for a rally on Monday night. 57 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: He had a big election night planned on Tuesday. I 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: don't think quarantine means, you know, one or two days 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: down and then he's back on the trail. So he's 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: down for the count. Now he just has to hope 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: it all turns out. And then if all that wasn't enough, 62 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: President Trump actually left the lago, the lago as they 63 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: call it, and returned to the White House. And we 64 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: don't know why. Why? So what are we hearing? I 65 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: don't know why he returned only I guess too. I 66 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: don't know there's there are no events planned. Maybe he 67 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be here for the who knows for what? 68 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: Um you know, he he's going back to Georgia on 69 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: Monday night. Then of course on Wednesday is the certification 70 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: of the election, which I think he wants to be 71 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: in town for. But why he came back early, I don't. 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,559 Speaker 1: We saw some stories about who they upset about the renovations. 73 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna not take the bait there and I'm going 74 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: to stay in my lane. But I will tell you 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: because now I'm I'm going to nibble at the bait. 76 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: Can I nibble? Christine Marada, our executive producer on New 77 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: Year's Eve? Can I sort of take de bait and 78 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: just say Christine and my producer in my ear just said, yes, 79 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: take the bait, keV, take the bait. It's New Year's Eve, 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Wendy Benjaminson, through you a line. Here's what I'll say. 81 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: This year, I have really evolved in my home decor 82 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: as I have remodeled my home along with many other individuals. 83 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: And when I say remodeled, I mean just got rid 84 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff, right, Wendy, did you do 85 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: that this year? Well sort of, yes, I did actually, 86 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: and I'm downsizing as I'm becoming an empty master. So yeah, 87 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff out on the curb. Well here, uh, 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: speaking of moving, President Trump is going to be moving 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: out of the White House. Let's take a listen to 90 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: what President Trump had to say in a Twitter video here. 91 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: Over and over again, we were told it would be 92 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: impossible to deliver a vaccine by the end of the year. 93 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: All of the experts said, absolutely unthinkable. Trump is exaggerating 94 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: it can't happen, and we did it. And yet here 95 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: we are. And the question that everyone that I talked 96 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: to in the Republican Party is trying to answer is 97 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: what happens to President Trump, who inherits his political apparatus. 98 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: What does he want to do? What will he do? 99 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many unknown surrounding President Trump 100 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: right now, Wendy, there are so many unknown Kevin, You're 101 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: absolutely right. And I think that if if the past 102 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: is prologue, then I think President Trump is going to 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: keep it a secret for a very long time what 104 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: he's going to do, which will keep fundraising frozen, It 105 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: will keep his apparatus frozen. People like Nicky Haley and 106 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: Said Cruise and Margot Rubio and Chris Christie and all 107 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: these people who want to get started on Because if 108 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: you don't think the next election doesn't start on January one, 109 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: you're wrong. Um. So all of those people want to 110 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 1: start fundraising, want to start becoming players and bigger players 111 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: in the party. And if Donald Trump is dangling out 112 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: there that he might run or one of his children 113 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: might run in then nothing really else can happen. And 114 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: if we know Donald Trump now, we know he's going 115 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: to want to keep that dangling for as long as possible. 116 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: I don't even think it starts January one started. I 117 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: think it's I think it starts January six. What have 118 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: I know about how is impacting the actions of the 119 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: likes of Senator Josh Holly, for example, Well, absolutely, that's why. 120 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: I think. That's why Josh Holly, who is a graduate 121 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: of Yale Law School I read somewhere is he is 122 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: challenging the election results. And now he's got a hundred 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: and forty House members who are challenging the election results. 124 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: And this shows whether Donald Trump is a Washington or 125 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: More Lago or Fifth Avenue or wherever it is, he 126 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: eventually hangs his hat. He is still a factor in 127 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. They are acting because they want to 128 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: keep those seventy million people who voted for Donald Trump 129 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: in November on their side, and so they still have 130 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: to seem loyal to Donald Trump. And that sort of 131 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: messes up Biden's plan for everyone to wake up from 132 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: the fever of the last four years, as he called it, 133 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: and suddenly want to work with him. The fever hasn't 134 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: broken yet. Let let me even go one step beyond that, 135 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: And what challenges are presented for Vice President Mike pens 136 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: for January six. That's going to be a rough day 137 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: for Mike pens tell you. I mean, he's going to 138 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: sit there and gabble in Joe Biden as the president 139 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: elector as yes, as the president elector of the United States. 140 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: That's the end. The last action of the election is 141 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: Wednesday when he does that, and then essentially he's got 142 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: to go back to the office and face the boss, 143 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: who is not going to be happy with this. But 144 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: the facts remain that price presidential like Joe Biden, has 145 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: more electoral votes than Donald Trump, and he is the 146 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: president elect. The thing is that Pence is only working 147 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump for another three weeks, so maybe it 148 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: won't be so bad. Well beyond that, though, what leverage 149 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: does Mike Pence have against President Trump? I mean, the 150 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: politics of this at Shakespearean if you will. And I 151 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: say that candidly. I was never much of a Shakespeare 152 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: kind of guy, much more of an American literature type 153 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: of person. I really like Fitzgerald, I really like Hemingway, 154 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: I love Robert Frost. But I mean, but seriously, the 155 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: road less traveled for Vice President Mike Pence would be 156 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: to come out and say something in an inevitable book 157 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: and in an inevitable huh book or some type of 158 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: of new declaration because the working assumption is Vice President 159 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: Mike Penn's Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, both of whom 160 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: have spent an incredible amount of time working for the 161 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: current president and whom Republicans deeply trust and who their 162 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: record on Oh, I don't know, US Israeli relations is 163 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: incredibly strong that they are going to come out and 164 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: run for president in thirty seconds. What should their new 165 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: Year's resolution be? Their New Year's resolution should be to 166 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: help Donald Trump see that his political career is over 167 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: and that his best legacy would be to hand the 168 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: baton to any other Republican so that the country can begin, 169 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, to move on from this era and let 170 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: someone else run for president. See, I don't know if 171 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: I just feel like that's not going to happen. I 172 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: feel like it's not going to happen. Weight But now 173 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, Oh my gosh, why do I feel like 174 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper and when he had all those people. I 175 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: remember that show they used to do where they were 176 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: on the cruise and it was just like you couldn't 177 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: look away. Remember when Anderson Cooper hosted the Mall Wendy. Yes, 178 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I thought I had to get out of this segment 179 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: about thirty seconds ago. I still have two minutes, so 180 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: this segment has gone incredibly well. On New Year's Eve? 181 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: What else is on your radar? What else is on 182 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: your radar? And my Christine saying I'm off charged election? 183 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: If this is just it is fascinating you have. There 184 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: are two Senate seats open, and they are running as 185 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: if they are They're they're running in the Package Deal 186 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: war knocking off Off are sometimes campaigning together just like 187 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: Perduing Leftler are some David Perdue and Kelly Lefler are 188 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: are sometimes running together, appearing together, but they're all running. 189 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: They have the same messages, um David Perdue and Kelly Leftler. 190 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: The incumbent Republicans are saying that Rafael Warnock and John 191 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: ass Off, the two Democratic challengers, are socialists and radicals, 192 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: and they're going to turn Georgia and the rest of 193 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: the country over to Bernie Sanders and Alexander Cortez and 194 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: they're just terrible people. Meanwhile, the Democrats are saying that 195 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Perduing Leffler are crooks who don't care about Georgians, who 196 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: don't have jobs, who have the virus, who are having 197 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: a terrible year, and that they in fact, or they believe, 198 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: they claim that those two sold their sold stocks and 199 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: companies that were going to you know, plummet when the 200 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: when the pandemic hits. So it's it is just a 201 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: fascinating race. And even though it's a local Georgia Senate race, 202 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: it impacts who controls the Senate and how Biden's first 203 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: term will go. So it is an incredibly important race. 204 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Kind a really fun one to watch, all right, feel 205 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: what's your news resolution, Wendy? What what's what's your what's 206 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: your nearest resolution? Oh it's I still got to lose 207 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: a babyweight. I think that should not be your resolution. 208 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: That should not be your resolution. To get out of 209 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: the house. How about that one? What's yours? Mine is 210 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: to have more fun next year. I want to have 211 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: let's get vaccinated, let's get out of the house, and 212 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: let's go out. I can still have fun even while 213 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: we're waiting for that. That's how I feel. I want 214 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: to laugh for Wendy Benjaminson, truly my friend. Happy Happy 215 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: New Year's and thanks for doing this for me on 216 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve. You made me laugh. I was having fun. 217 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: See I'm already started. I'm Kevin. You're listening Bloomberg Night 218 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: and Night one. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with 219 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: Kevin Surrelate on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven 220 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: f M H D two. My name is Kevin Surreally. 221 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: I'm the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for 222 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Gradio Resolution. I always think about it at this 223 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: time of the year. What should my res alution be? 224 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: My New Year's resolution? I don't know. I'm gonna ask 225 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Walling, Democratic strategist and the Bahamas chief Bahamas correspondent. 226 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: He's on a beach and Key Largo. I don't even 227 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: know Montego. Uh, keV? How's the Bahamas? He's over at 228 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: HT Creative Media, which nowadays his office is on the 229 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: beach and Bahamas. How the Bahamas? He could work from anywhere, cad. 230 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: That's one of the beauties of can you Christine Baronta? 231 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: Can I work from anywhere? I'm chatty today. Go ahead, keV. 232 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Are we talking about what your resolution should be? No? No, 233 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: no, no no no. How is the Bahamas? You're on vacation 234 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: in the Mohammas. I am I'm down here with some 235 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: wonderful friends ringing in the new year. Um down here, 236 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: it's just the weather's been beautiful and it's uh, it's 237 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: a perfect evening. Interesting, all right. What should the Democratic parties? 238 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: What should the Democratic Party's news rest solution be? I 239 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: think to take a real assessment as to what happened 240 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: in I mean, we were obviously successful in the presidential level, 241 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: huge turnout for Joe Biden. But as we're seeing in 242 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: Georgia right now, you know, John Assau was about a 243 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: hundred thousand votes behind where Joe Biden was. We really 244 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: got decimated in a lot of these key districts that 245 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: were holds from just two years ago. So I think 246 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: the Democrats really need to take a strong look at 247 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: ourselves running in two years. You know. I think one 248 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: of the interesting stories coming out of was the successful 249 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: uh number of Republican women elected to Congress that it 250 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: will be formidable for us taking them on just two 251 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: years from now. I think we'll defeat the number of them, 252 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: But I think there are some important lessons we need 253 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: to learn from this election. Paple. Uh, you know, not 254 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: just electing Joe Biden, but but down down our ranks. 255 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: There are many polls that suggest that the president's unfounded 256 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: claims that a voter fraud. But the but the large 257 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: is your issue that there needs to be some type 258 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: of investigation into the electoral college process as well as 259 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: into election security. That's resonating. And if it wasn't resonating, 260 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: Leader McConnell wouldn't have suggested that there be some type 261 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: of investigations into a conversation about it in the Upper Chamber. 262 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: Is it a mistake for the Democratic Party to just 263 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: completely right off Trump supporters and Trump voters, many of 264 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: whom are as you and I have talked about all 265 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: throughout the years, swing voters. It's a good question him. 266 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we do so at our own peril when 267 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: you when polling shows and Bloomers got a number pulls 268 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: out there about this that the majority of Republicans think 269 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: this was a fraudulent election. That is a terrible thing 270 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: for democracy. That is not a good thing that a 271 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: number of folks will look at January twentie and the 272 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: inauguration of Joe Biden is the six president and somehow 273 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: being illegitimate because of what Donald Trump has been doing 274 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: in the last two months and even leading absolutely elections. 275 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: You know, claims of fraud going on even before the 276 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: first vote was counted, um is very problematic. So what 277 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: Democrats need to do, I think it elevates voices that 278 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: we're seeing with Republican attorneys general on the state level, 279 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: Republicans governors of states like of Georgia and Arizona that 280 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: have certified the elections, that have said that there's no fraud. 281 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: We can't have democratic voices just being the soul voices 282 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: out there. We need to elevate those voices as well 283 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: and really celebrate the courage of a number of Republicans 284 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: that are willing to now buck the trend against Salve 285 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Trump and say that this was not a fraudulent election. 286 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: When this president electro Biden have to say whether or 287 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: not he will seek a second term, when should he 288 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: come forward with that, keV. I mean, I think if 289 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: he does, he's already out of the gate, a lamed up. So, 290 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, in conversations with Joe Biden, in media interviews 291 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: with Dr Joe Biden, um, you know, they had not 292 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: suggested of future plans beyond and I think that's a 293 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: little bit premature because again, he doesn't want to handicap himself. 294 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna respectfully disagree with my with my colleague uh 295 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: uh and my friend Kevin Walling, a Democratic strategist at 296 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: h G Creative Media, in the sense that you said 297 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: it's premature, Well, the the Republicans are already starting starting 298 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: their jockeying. So if that's an unknown variable, it not 299 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: only locks fundraising and the party apparatus for Democrats, but 300 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: it creates a vacuum where he it's a question that 301 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: he's going to have to answer at some point, you 302 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean, That becomes and the party will 303 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: grow frustrated, The party will grow frustrated with him, and 304 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: potential candidates will go frustrated with him unless he decisively 305 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: answers that question. And for someone like Vice President of 306 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris, it's a question for Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, 307 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: the governors. You know, it goes on and on, and 308 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: so I'm curious from your analytical perspective, when do you 309 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: think that question. Is it a couple of months, is 310 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: it a year? When does that question become something that 311 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: he has to answer. I think it's seriously becomes a 312 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: question for him to answer after the mid terms in 313 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: two That's when you know, any kind of potential presidential 314 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: candidate would start to really discern put together a team, um, 315 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of the operations behind launching a 316 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: presidential bit. I think he owes the party that he 317 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: owes whoever might consider running that. Similar to Donald Trump. 318 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you're seeing the same dynamics play out now 319 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: where he's very bullish and that's going to hold back 320 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people on on the Republican side too. 321 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: But I want to focus on and I get it, 322 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: and keV, you know, you and I talked about politics 323 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: all day every day, but I want to stay focused 324 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: because you know the Democratic Party and the and the 325 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: structure of it better than anyone. But folks, this is 326 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: incredibly important because what Kevin Rolling is is clearly outlining 327 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: here is a path forward in terms of the discussion. 328 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: So right now the working assumption and it's an assumption, 329 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: keyword and assumption. And we all remember what Mr Kevin, 330 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: Mr Kevin, what Mr Nicholas really my dad back and 331 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: in Delco says about assumptions. And I can't say it 332 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: on this radio program on New Year's Eve, okay, but 333 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: it makes a fool out of you and me. But 334 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: the working assumption is that Republicans are well positioned to 335 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: make gains in the House of Representatives. Walling just told 336 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: us that right off the bat. So let's spend this forward. 337 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: If the pressure is mounting on a Joe Biden for 338 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: whether or not he should run again for a second 339 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: term around the mid terms, and Republicans slip the House 340 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: of Representatives, Progressives are going to say, okay, well that 341 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: happened because he's not being progressive enough. And centrists are 342 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: going to say, well, it happened because he was beholden 343 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: to progressives. That calculation is going to be fascinating to 344 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: watch that play out. Kevin Walling, Yeah, you know, you're 345 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: absolutely right. I mean, and we're already seeing that play 346 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: out in terms of past for the Democratic Party, and 347 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot can be um thought through in terms of 348 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: the shellacking Democrats, especially in Congress, where you're seeing those 349 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: dynamics play out with the far left of my party 350 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: that said we were not progressive enough, we were not 351 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: out there chanting those progressive causes enough, and you're seeing uh, 352 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, more moderate elements in my party that said, 353 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: you know, we got a slacking because the fund. The 354 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: police was hung around our heads in every single race 355 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: that we we ran, and the President elect spoke to 356 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: that in terms of just how effective Republicans work. So 357 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: it will be at tug at war, I think in 358 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: terms of which side of my party wins out. I 359 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: am bullish, though, if you look at some of the 360 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: races in the Senate, at least two, we've got a 361 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: pretty good map in terms of our ability to expand, 362 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: whether it being in the Carolina other places where the 363 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, your home state, keV UM in terms of 364 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: um that are at play as well. So so I'm 365 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: a bit bullish that we might actually expand with the vaccine. 366 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: With our country warring back under a present Biden, the 367 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: timing of that could be actually good to increase our 368 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: our our ranks in Congress keV resolution. The used resolution 369 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: is to work out as much as you work out, 370 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: so I can look just like you. I don't know 371 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: what to say, Uh, Kevin Walling. Father Martin is going 372 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: to join me at the end of this program, so 373 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell them that you said, hi. Kevin Walling is 374 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: a Democratic strategist at HD creative Meeting. Are you surfing 375 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: while you're in the Bahamas. I've never been in the Bahamas. 376 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: You gotta come on down, you got I was just 377 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: on Fox News Live from the Bahamas just two hours ago, 378 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: show Dana didn't you know what? So listen if I 379 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: can be a Bahamas correspondent, stranger things have happened. Kevin Walling, 380 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Democratic strategist at PhD cree. There it 381 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: is keV. They did this for you, buddy, the beach boys. 382 00:21:52,480 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm Bloomberg. Now why from our nation's camera, I'll talk 383 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: here in Washington. D C turns to President elect Joe 384 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: Biden's administration. Historically speaking, the markets that performed better when 385 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: there is divided government. The biggest pressure for physical stimulus 386 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: is an off taking cases. Bloomberg sound on, the insiders, 387 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: the influencers, the inside. Biden has promised again and again 388 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: to he will unite the country's state government's control elections 389 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: as in the constitution. I think that we can expect 390 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: a smooth, thoughtful, methodical transition. This is Bloomberg Sound On 391 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg and one oh five point 392 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: seven f M h D two Happy New Year, No. 393 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: Two thousand dollars stimulus checks, plus President Trump returns to 394 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: the White House from mar Lago, and Republican Senator David 395 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: Purdue is quarantining ahead of the runoff. Later on in 396 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: the program, a special conversation on Faith and Politics with 397 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Father James Martin. That will be in the next half hour. 398 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: But we begin tonight with the big story, which is 399 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: two thousand dollar stimulus checks looking like they are going 400 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: to stay in two thousand and twenty. We have sound 401 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: on this particular topic coming from Sentimentarity Leader Chuck Schumer, 402 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: who spoke earlier today on this New Year's Eve on 403 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: the Senate floor. He was responding to send a Majority 404 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: Leader Mitch McConnell's claim that Democrats are focused on two 405 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollars stimulus checks and are dodging the other two 406 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: of President Trump's concerns, big tech, accountability and election reform. 407 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: Here is just to prove it. Let me make this 408 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: offer to the Republican majority. We're willing to vote on 409 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: the other issues that President Trump mentioned, all the issues 410 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: the Republican Leader says must be addressed as so long 411 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: as we vote on them separately. Send a majority Leader. 412 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell responded with this barring from our grandkids to 413 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: do socialism for rich people is a terrible way to 414 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: get help to families who actually need it. Francesca Chambers 415 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: is a White House correspondent from Acclatchy News and edgertained 416 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: as a Bloomberg Politics editor. Anna. The drama continued on 417 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve. Yes, there's always drama in the US 418 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: Congress um. You know, this was an interesting back and 419 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: forth between McConnell and Schumer. It was kind of some 420 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: of what we've heard before, but you see how just 421 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: how dug in both sides are on this position. And meanwhile, 422 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: Francesca Chambers, white House correspondent from Aclatchy News. It would 423 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: appear that on the issue of two thousand dollars stimulus checks, 424 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: lawmakers and the Republican Party have been frustrated that it's 425 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: if they support two thousand dollars stimulus checks, they don't 426 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: care about the twenty seven trillion dollar dead Is there 427 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: room for a moderate position here and to move beyond 428 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: the either or scenario. Well, that's a a vision that 429 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: Mint McConnell has tried to take on this issue. Kevin 430 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: he has said that he would be recent support of 431 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: the checks if they were targeted to people who didn't 432 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: have jobs or had some sort of income loss in 433 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty year. And that's the other position that 434 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: Republicans could take if they wanted to, in order to 435 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: try and marry what President Trump is demanding and what 436 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: they might feel comfortable with as fischool conservatives. Meanwhile, the 437 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: other big issue, of course, is the first time that 438 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: Congress has ever overridden a presidential veto. And I'm, of 439 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: course referring to the Defense Authorization Acts, Francesco. What's the 440 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: reaction been on what was a largely expected mood move 441 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: for Congress to override this veto from the White House? 442 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: The President has made it quite clear that this is 443 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: something he clearly wanted to do before he left office. 444 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: Right despite the fact that he has refused Kevin to 445 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: acknowledge that that Joe Biden has won the election, him 446 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: picking this battle at this point shows that he knows 447 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: it could be one of his last opportunities to try 448 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: and take this fight to big text that really he 449 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: has made an issue with in his White House over 450 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, really the past year for for him, especially 451 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: on the issue of Section to thirty and repealing parts 452 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: of section to thirty, and I give us an explainer 453 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: and a primer for people who are coming to section 454 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: two thirty a little bit new and it's of course 455 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: been a thread that we followed on this program for 456 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: the past year, but give us another primer on this 457 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: New Year's eve of section to thirty and adjutant. Yeah, 458 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: this is a part of the Communications Decency Actor of 459 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: n so admittedly a little bit outdated, you know, was 460 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: written to apply to very different technology than what we 461 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: have now. But this is a provision that protects media 462 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: companies from liability for user generated content on their platforms. 463 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: So you know, if UH user tweets are posently on Facebook, 464 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: the company can be held responsible for that. So President 465 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: Trump wants to repeal this provision, which of course would 466 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: be terrible for these media companies, but also would not 467 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: be very good for him because of media companies have 468 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: to be responsible for what's on their platforms. They're not 469 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: going to let a lot of the President's tweets stand. 470 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: They're not going to let uh Conservatives and Republicans and 471 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: even Democrats, you know, whoever post as much material with 472 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: as much freedom to just say whatever on these plots. 473 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: So the reason this becomes a fascinatingly uh complex issue 474 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: very quickly is when a social media platform, when there 475 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: are terrorists on a social media platform who are posting 476 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: hate speech or trying to organize or posting videos of attacks. 477 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: And we've seen this play out, I don't, I mean, 478 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: unfortunately too many times. And uh right now. Uh there 479 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: are systems that are in place, uh for for big 480 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: tech companies, but uh there are they're protected by Section 481 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: two thirty and so it's a it's an unfortunately as 482 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: Anna just really crystal clear explains a very complex issue, 483 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: very very fast. Francesca Chambers, Uh, January six also on 484 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: my radar coming up, We're gonna do a whole segment 485 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: on Georgia. But January six, something that I've got highlighted 486 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: on calendar as that, of course, is the date when 487 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: the UH Congress is going to ratify the electoral College vote. However, 488 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: Republicans in the Senate, most notably people like Senators Lindsey 489 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: Graham and Josh Holly, been planning for January six. So 490 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: Holly the big one this week saying that he will 491 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: contest at least one of the states. Uh, and you 492 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: basically just need him one Senator and then a member 493 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: of the House to be able to contest this. We 494 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: know that there are there are multiple Republicans in the House, 495 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: but the key thing here, Kevin, is that it would 496 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: take the majority of the House and the Senate voting 497 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: for this for this to be something that could happen. 498 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: In the House is run by Democrats, so that's just 499 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: certainly not going to happen. So making a lot of 500 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: noise on this issue. And President Trump has been quite 501 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: supportive of this, of course, you know him tweeting that 502 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: also he'll see you in d C. On January six, 503 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: last night, there'll be a big rally of his supporters, 504 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: but it sounds like he might stop by and see 505 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: as well. However, in the end, as you said, the 506 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: results of the Electoral College will be ratified. Democrats and 507 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: UH have the votes on this. Republicans do not. Why 508 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: did he come back from our lago, Francesca oh Man, Kevin, 509 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: that's one that we're all trying to really get some 510 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: insight into. It's it's really not clear why the president 511 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: came back a day early, just a day earlier then 512 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 1: he was going to already, Kevin, h he was supposed 513 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: to return on January one, which, by the way, he 514 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: already had a shorter trip than he usually does. He 515 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: went down quite late, and you could say potentially that 516 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: was because of the similar skill. Although some people who 517 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: are close to the President have told me Kevin that 518 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: the President does know that he's going to be leaving. 519 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: He has plenty of time to spend outside of the 520 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: White House after he leaves office, and so maybe just 521 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: trying to spend as much time as he can as 522 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: a White House working on things like this election challenge. Kevin, 523 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: Francesca and Anna are going to answer what the two 524 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: political parties New Year's resolutions should be, so they're going 525 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: to be thinking about that. Download the Bloomberg sent On 526 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: podcast on Apple, it tunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or 527 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find 528 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: me on a radio dot com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. 529 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: And we are also going to talk about the Georgia 530 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: runoff election happening on January five at breaking news headline 531 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: just crossing the Bloomberg terminal within the last hour or so. 532 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: Republican Senator David Purdue, who faces a runoff election on 533 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: January five, says that he will quarantine after coming into 534 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: close contact with someone on the campaign who tested positive 535 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen. Purdue and his wife tested negative on Thursday, 536 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: according to a statement, and President Trump plans to hold 537 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: a rally in Georgia on Monday to campaign for Purdue 538 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: and fellow Republican incumbent Kelly Lefler Again. Senator David Purdue, 539 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: who's up for re election, is now going to be 540 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: quarantining as a result of getting into close contact with 541 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Much more coming up back, Stan Bloomberg, you're 542 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Curreley on Bloomberg 543 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven fm h D two. 544 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Cirelli. I'm the chief Washington correspondent 545 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. Joining me on this 546 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: special New Year's Eve? Is it especially? Every New Year's 547 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: either a special? Right? I don't know it feels different 548 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: this year, but we made it. Francesca Chambers, we made it. 549 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: White House correspondent fro McClatchy and Adjerton Bloomberg Politics editor, 550 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: we made it. Anna. Yeah, I'd say this year is special. Special. 551 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a word for it. What should uh? I 552 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: always think about resolution, you know, resolution, we always think 553 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: of trite New Year's resolution and it's like I'm gonna 554 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: try to drink glass coffee. I always fail. But resolution, 555 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: I think is I've been thinking a lot about that 556 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: word resolution. What does it mean whole holistic? I don't know. 557 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: I got to read more about that word. What should 558 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: the political parties new Year's resolutions be? I'm gonna start 559 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: with an Edgerton. Um, that's an excellent question. I appreciate 560 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: about it. I've been thinking about it. Um. Yeah, I 561 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: think for Republicans, they need to not be defined by Trump, 562 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, going forward. They need to think about how 563 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: to be a party that makes the United States uh, 564 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: you know, more unified working for everyone. Just kind of 565 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: think about how to take the country forward in a 566 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: more unified way. Um. And for Democrats, I'm not sure 567 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: how it's going to sound, but I think a good 568 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: resolution for them would be to forgive, you know, to 569 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: not uh you know, as a Republican supported promp don't 570 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: hold that against them, try to move forward and try 571 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: to um, you know, kind of get over the past 572 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: four years of acrimony and uh and hate that we've 573 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: seen um kind of directed at both political parties, Francesco. 574 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: But should the resolutions be for each of the parties? Well, 575 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: by the way, Kevin, I don't know who's coming up 576 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: with resolutions to drink West coffee. In fact, I feel 577 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: like mine's always to drink more coffee and drink wait. 578 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: I have to say this. I have literally when I 579 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: was at Political years ago. Now I'm getting up there, 580 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: and I I know I would drink like eight cups 581 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: of coffee a day and I'm not even kidding and 582 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: none At the time, I was working weekends at a 583 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: coffee shop in Arlington Java Shock shutdown this year. Tragic 584 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: tragic news for me because it's it was really one 585 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: of my favorite part time jobs. But I would I 586 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: become such a coffee snob because I was a part 587 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: time barista while I was working in Politico and as 588 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: a result, anyone who knows me knows I go to 589 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: the popular philadel for a convenience store chain for coffee 590 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: about like multiple times a day. To keep this, but 591 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I gotta drink more water. I've 592 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: really got to drink more water. Francesca. I used to 593 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: wear my coffee as a badge of honor, and now 594 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna it's I gotta get I gotta 595 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: get more water. Go ahead, enough about me. I was 596 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: I was gonna say that's fair, and it is true. 597 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: Every year myneers resolution is to drink that eight to 598 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: ten cups of waters that they say you're supposed to 599 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: and I never get it done. Is definitely got to 600 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: be the year I can for the political parties and 601 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: what they should do. Look, Republicans, you know, I think 602 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: that Anna had a great point about moving beyond Trump, 603 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: but to just to take that even this step further. 604 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: They did not win the presidential election, they may not 605 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: have won the Senate, and they certainly didn't win control 606 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 1: of the House of Representatives. So they have to come 607 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: up with a way to have a winning coalition again. Uh. 608 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: The fact that they, you know, really don't have the 609 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: majority at least currently at this moment, because we don't 610 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen in Georgia in any of the 611 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: three chambers really has to be a wake up call 612 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: for any political party when that happens, and they have 613 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: to to figure out how how to move forward and 614 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: how to win again. So that would be the thing 615 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: for Republicans. As far as Democrats go, they really have 616 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: the opposite problem. They're almost the cat that caught the canary, 617 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: which is now they have to figure out what to 618 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: do with that power, now that they have the House 619 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: of represented possibly the Senate and also the presidency. When 620 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: Barack Obama had three chambers, you know, he was able 621 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: to get healthcare paths. That was his big thing. So 622 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: if they can only choose one potentially big thing, especially 623 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of COVID, which in and of itself 624 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: is at the forefront of our minds, and the big thing, 625 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: what will that be? And they're really going to have 626 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: to make a decision pretty quickly in Joe Biden's administration, 627 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: and he said that he wants to pursue big things 628 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 1: like infrastructure and transportation, and he wants to do things 629 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: related to communities of color and education and all those things. 630 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: But realistically, there's only so much that you can get 631 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: done in one year. And I say one year because 632 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: of course, in another year they'll have to start thinking 633 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: again about running for When does President elect Joe Biden 634 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: have to answer the question Francesca if he will seek 635 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: a second term everyone rightfully, so has been talking about 636 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: what President Trump's plans are. But when does when does 637 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: President elect Biden have to decide whether or not to 638 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: run again and and unfreeze the party. Well, certainly what 639 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: we've seen, at least in past elections, right, is that 640 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: about you know, the beginning of it was, like I 641 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: think it was the beginning of if you want to 642 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: go back to that election, when people start making the 643 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: rounds at some of these cattle call events when they're 644 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: planning to run for president in sixteen. So this year, right, 645 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: this was a little bit of an odd cycle. So 646 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: I don't know that to make a direct comparison to 647 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: everything this year because of COVID, But if we just 648 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: use that example, then surely he would have to make 649 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: some sort of a decision. No later than the very 650 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: beginning of three. Um, but I would say before that, Kevin, 651 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in the Democratic Party. You're 652 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: obviously gonna be very interested in this, least to say 653 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: his own sitting vice president. Who's gonna want to know 654 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: as early as possible. Anna, same question. Yeah, I think 655 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: I think that's spot on. You know it, we're kind 656 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: of obviously and a perpetual election cycle. So depending on 657 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: what happens in two with the mid term, we're gonna 658 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: see what position Democrats are in to take advantage of 659 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: the entire Biden administration. You know, if they lose the 660 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: House and haven't won the Senate or lose the Senate 661 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: at the time, then President Biden, a Democrat, could be 662 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: facing a Republican House and a Republican Senate, and they 663 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: could force him to take some really uncomfortable positions in 664 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: terms of you know, what he vetos or what he 665 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: allows to become laws. So, you know, it's gonna be 666 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: interesting to see how the first passes his term in 667 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: the second half of this term shape up, and I 668 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: wonder if that could influence his decision whether or not 669 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: he decides to read for a second term. It's I 670 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: can't even stress just how. And then I know, if 671 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: you're listening, you're probably like, why are you talking about 672 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: and whatnot? But I think it's on New Year's even 673 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: appropriate conversation to have, simply because if you buy into 674 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: the notion that Republicans are set to make some gains 675 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: in the two mid terms, that would present a conversation 676 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party about whether or not the current 677 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: administration was too progressive or not progressive enough if you 678 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: historically look at the conversations that are had, and as 679 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: Francesca and Anna point out, if if already we're seeing 680 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: Senator Josh Holly, Lindsay Graham and Marco Rubio with Ted 681 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: Cruz begin to lay down some markers. Uh. This week 682 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: for the Democrats are going to want to know whether 683 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: or not they're going to be putting up an incumbent 684 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: or if they're going to have an open primary, all 685 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: things to keep in mind. Just putting it out there again. 686 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: I know he hasn't been sworn and yet I know 687 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: we have a lot to get through next week, but 688 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: it's New Year's Eve. I'm Kevin Cereli, Chief Washington corresponded 689 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: for Bloomber TV. In radio, this is Bloomberg nine nine one, 690 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surrel on Bloomberg 691 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven F M h D two. 692 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cereli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and 693 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio. Wishing you and your family is a safe, 694 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: happy and healthy new year. Joining me now for my 695 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: favorite part of the program, What's next is Francesca Chambers, 696 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: White House correspondent for McClatchy and Anna Edger Tim Bloomberg 697 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: Politics Editor, Francesca, I'm gonna kick things off for what's next, 698 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: And uh, maybe this is something that not a lot 699 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: of people are talking about. But Georgia. We're all talking 700 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: about Georgia. And Francesca tell us something we don't know. 701 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: As Senator David Perdue, who's up for re election, obviously 702 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: he is now quarantining ahead of the runoff in the 703 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: Georgia election, give us the state of play on on Georgia, 704 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: all right, So the state of play is that Republicans 705 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: are very concerned right now about turnout in early early 706 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: voting and turnout so far right. So up until this 707 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: point people could vote through today. Uh and in the 708 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: northwest part of Georgia, which is a heavily Republican area, 709 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: they had been seen a lag in voting for what 710 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: they felt that they needed to see. So that's the 711 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: area that President Donald Trump will be traveling to next 712 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,919 Speaker 1: week on the eve of the runoff election to try 713 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: and get a big election day turnout for Republicans. Meanwhile, Democrats, 714 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,439 Speaker 1: they're actually feeling pretty good about their numbers, as good 715 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: as you can feel when it's the first time, by 716 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: the way, that you want the state in a presidential election. 717 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: Since they are feeling pretty good though about their early 718 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: voting numbers, African Americans are turning out in larger numbers 719 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 1: in this runoff election. Kevin they Anne had in the 720 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,959 Speaker 1: general election in November, which Democrats believe bode well for them. 721 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: Let's say, Alistona, what Senator Kelly Lefler had to say 722 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail, which just five days until the 723 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: Georgia runoff. Here she is, I need you to call 724 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: your friends, your family's text call, in fact, my friend 725 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: Marcia Blackburn, great Tennessee senator. She says, five calls a 726 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: day will keep the Liberals away. Oh jokes, Anna Edgerton. Uh, 727 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it looks like I mean assess 728 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: it for us. Who's up and who's down in Georgia. 729 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell. The Traditionally special elections have 730 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: have favored Republicans, especially in the conservative state. But there's 731 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: a lot of energy on the Democratic side and you 732 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: can see that there's you know, the early turnout has 733 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: been really good for Democrats. It's a tough thing to 734 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 1: Republicans because they've been saying good elections, that their propertial 735 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: question the security of US elections. So it's kind of 736 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable position Foruplicans, you know, from Donald Trump down 737 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: to the Senate candidates and local leaders to say elections 738 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 1: are riggs, but you should vote in the selection. So 739 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: you know, they could have hurt their own turnout by 740 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: casting doubt on the process. So meanwhile, I mean, that's 741 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: what's on. Obviously a lot of people's radar is Georgia. 742 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: But but meanwhile, I mean, we're hearing from officials on 743 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: the ground Francesca that we might actually not have the 744 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: result on January five, and that the early voting could 745 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: make it a little bit longer. For when we get 746 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: the result, when do we know when we should have 747 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: a result by Well, you're right, Kevin, that they don't 748 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 1: have a large number of early votes vote by mail 749 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: that they will need to count. And certainly there's a 750 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: lot of eyes on Georgia, given uh the challenges that Republicans, 751 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: particularly President Trump's camp, had made after the last election, 752 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: and it's expected to be very narrow and both sides 753 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: storces on both sides have told me that that they 754 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: expect it to be a razor thin margin of Big three, 755 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: so you could definitely see situations were once that or 756 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: the other request to recount, depending on just how close. 757 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: It is. Kevin, all right, that's what's on. That's what 758 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking out for. That's what's next for me is 759 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: of course the Georgia runoff election, and we have special 760 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: continuing coverage of that on the night of that. I 761 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: believe Man is going to be working with us on 762 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,399 Speaker 1: that for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. David Weston 763 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: returns from vacation next week, and so does Tom Kane. Tom, 764 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: I missed you this week. If you're listening Tom Keane, 765 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: I always listen to Tom uh my colleague Me Mets 766 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: were here at Bloomberg. He's coming back from vacation next 767 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,439 Speaker 1: week as well. Okay, and Edgerton, what's next? I am 768 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: looking at the first day of the hundred and seventeenth Congress. 769 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: That's gonna be on Sunday, and that will be the 770 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: day of the secretship election in the House. I feel 771 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: pretty good about Nancy Pelosi's chances. You know, she of 772 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: course is a good vote counter so she knows where 773 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: her votes are and would be working to shore up 774 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: any weaknesses on her her majority, which is has a thinner, 775 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: certain dinner margin that it did in the hundred and 776 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: sixteenth Congress. So, um, first day of the sevent Congress fixing, 777 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking out for this weekend and what happens in 778 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,919 Speaker 1: in the in the lame lame duck. I mean, it's 779 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: it's this remarkable geopolitical dynamic that emerges in a about 780 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, you've got an outgoing president and the first 781 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 1: new Congress. Yeah, it's been a struggle all four years 782 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: to guess what the president is going to do. But 783 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: with the new Congress in place, Um, you know, he 784 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: could kind of withdraw to himself or he could kind 785 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: of set some fires on the way out. So you know, 786 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: we'll definitely be watching to see the president's next moves. 787 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: And to your point about Georgia and uncertainty about the 788 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: results there, we expect a lot of litigation on this, 789 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: So it could be you know, days or weeks before 790 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: we know who's going to control the Senate. Francesca Chambers, 791 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: what's next? Well, you know, looking at the COVID nineteen vaccine, 792 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: certainly Kevin. You know, from a congressional standpoint, there is 793 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: going to be there are going to be oversight committee 794 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: hearings we can certainly expect on how this vaccine was distributed, 795 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: who got it, when, where, what, why, And from the 796 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: presidential side, you know, Joe Biden will be taking off 797 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: as on January twenty. He made a really ambitious goal 798 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: of saying that he plans to administer a hundred million 799 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: doses of the vaccine in his first one hundred dates. 800 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 1: At the same time, he has chance gized the current 801 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: administration for not getting the vaccine out quicker. So what 802 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 1: is he going to do differently to meet that, again, 803 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,720 Speaker 1: very ambitious goal to get the vaccine out to people. 804 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,879 Speaker 1: That something we're still waiting for more details on from 805 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: his transition, and that will be something to closely watch. 806 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: Come in here in Edgett about just how crucial that 807 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: marker is going to be for the for the one 808 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,839 Speaker 1: million vaccines. Yeah, the vaccine is kind of what we've 809 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: penned our hopes on to reopen the economy. So in 810 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: order to you know, start the beginning of the year 811 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: and especially going into the second order, meeting people's expectations 812 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: for how should be better than We really need to 813 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: get more Americans vaccinated beyond just healthcare professionals. So this 814 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: is going to be super important for Biden, not just 815 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: for the health and safety of Americans, but also to 816 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: get the economy back open. Let's just let's just dive 817 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: into my Bloomberg terminal for a second and get an 818 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: update on the coronavirus tracker. The US end of the 819 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: year with records and milestones. New York State and Florida 820 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 1: each hit hard as the coronavirus ravaged across the nation, 821 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: broke their previous daily records for cases. Texas reported a 822 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: new high for hospitalizations. California became the third state to 823 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 1: pass thousand fatalities after New York and Texas. Virginia reported 824 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: record infections as total fatality surpassed five thousand. Wow. Uh, 825 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: you know. And and coming up next, Father Martin is 826 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,839 Speaker 1: going to join us. He is going to give us 827 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: a conversation on faith as well as politics and policy 828 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: as we close out two thousand and twenty. But what 829 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: were the highlights and the low lights for you each? 830 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: I'll start with you Anna, what was a highlight and 831 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: a low light? A low light in this year? From 832 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: from the news. Um, if I could have my highlight 833 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: be a personal thing, I had a baby. I know, 834 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: I wanted to know if you were going to say 835 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: that congratulation, beautiful baby. Congratulations. Yeah, so highlight was definitely 836 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: having a baby, and um low light would just be 837 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: UM having to be a spectator for some of the 838 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: news year. I know that sounds funny, but while maternity 839 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,760 Speaker 1: to leave, you know, I was watching these protests against 840 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: racial injustice and all this stuff happening six miles from 841 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: my house and I couldn't cover it, which was a 842 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: complicated space to be in. But you know, glad to 843 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: be UM back at it now and excited for I 844 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: gotta say. And Edgerton is one of my favorite colleagues 845 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: here and just a total total boss and just I 846 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: love getting to work with her every day. So and 847 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: you know you know that, Okay, FRANCESC. Chambers a highlight 848 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: and a low light. Well, I mean, I think for 849 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: all of us to the little light, the clear little 850 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: like Kevin was COVID nineteen and I mean from the 851 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 1: perspective of I think, you know, especially as a younger person, Um, 852 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 1: it was very it was very very hard to see 853 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: you know, people that you know, you're you're getting it, um, 854 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: family friends catching the virus. Um, some of them you know, 855 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: critically ill, and that just creates, I think, um, for society, 856 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,359 Speaker 1: it's very hard, right, It's a it's a it's hard 857 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,240 Speaker 1: to look forward even, right is we we talked about 858 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: the highlights even and we're talking about our New Year's 859 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: resolutions and that kind of an atmosphere when they're when 860 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: it when it is been such just a hard year 861 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 1: for so many Americans, and you talk about the spread 862 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: of COVID and where we still are and that it's 863 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: that in some areas, right, It's it's this is something 864 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: that people are still dealing with, you know, very aggressively. 865 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: And so UM certainly think we're all looking forward right 866 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: in one to being able to move beyond at and 867 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: have a healthy and safe year. Um. But if I 868 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 1: did have to say that there was like some sort 869 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: of a personal highlight of the year, I actually did 870 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 1: finish my first year of mcclutchy Nude last yeah, and 871 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: so that was that was my personal highlights. That was amazing, 872 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,319 Speaker 1: great reporting that you're doing, Francesca as well. For me, 873 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: the highlight this show. Thank you all for listening. Coming 874 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: up next, Father Martin, This is bloomberg Land Night one. 875 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg's Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg 876 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f m h D two. 877 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Surreley. I am the chief Washington 878 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,320 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. My next guest, 879 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: I am so grateful, is my last guest of the year. 880 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: No pressure, the last guest of the year. I've been 881 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 1: really really wanting to have him on for quite some time, 882 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: and I'm so thrilled that we were able to make 883 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: it work. And it's just so fitting that it's new year. 884 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: Zeve Uh and and he's really emerged as a national 885 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: voice on Catholicism in the sense of an analytical uh perspective, 886 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: and where the faith is in America, and and and 887 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: how politics and faith are really juxtaposed, often in ways 888 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: that maybe are confusing for people. But I'm a huge 889 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 1: fan of his books. His the book that I love 890 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,240 Speaker 1: that I think should be required reading for every Catholic 891 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,400 Speaker 1: prep school in America is Building a Bridge How the 892 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: LGBTQ community and Catholic Church can listen to one another uh, 893 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: and how the church needs to be a little bit 894 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 1: more a lot more accepting of the gay community. He 895 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: is also the author of Learning to Pray and Jesus 896 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: a Pilgrimage. His name is Father James Martin. Father Martin, 897 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,919 Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Happy New Year to you, my friend. 898 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. Happy New Year to you too. And uh, 899 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: I second your your desire that every Catholic school by 900 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: building a bridge, not just teach it too and read it. Uh. Well, 901 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: let me ask you this. We mentioned this a little bit, 902 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,439 Speaker 1: uh in in the lead up to the election, which 903 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: feels like a decade ago already, but it was. It 904 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: was about the importance of the Catholic vote and what 905 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,719 Speaker 1: do we know about the exam pose and how Catholics voted, uh, 906 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 1: and how they are an incredibly important voting block in 907 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: the elections, both not just as a monolithic block but 908 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: also amongst the various different constituencies. Yeah. I think that's 909 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,960 Speaker 1: a good point. One of the biggest misconceptions is that 910 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 1: they are monolithic, that the Catholics vote exactly how the 911 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: bishops tell them. More Catholics vote exactly, you know, a 912 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: certain way. But really, I mean this sounds might sound 913 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 1: really ban now, but you know, Catholics are Republican vote Republican, 914 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: and Catholics are Democrat vote Democrats. So that's that's more 915 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,920 Speaker 1: or less the way it broke down this year. I 916 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,920 Speaker 1: think President and Elect Biden got slightly more of the 917 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,439 Speaker 1: Catholic vote, but you know, if you dig down, I think, 918 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of hispanics and lights and lacks, 919 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: that might have been a little different. But they are 920 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: not monolithic and they you know, they vote like everybody 921 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: else does in terms of you know, moral issues, but 922 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: also economic issues as well. Father Martin, let's go broader 923 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: for a second. From a historical perspective, President electro Biden 924 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: will only be the second Catholic president in the United States. 925 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: Talk to us just about the one, the significance of that. 926 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: And secondly, uh, I think a lot of people are 927 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: would be shocked to know that there's only been two 928 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,759 Speaker 1: Catholic presidents. Well, and it's such a difference because in 929 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty remember John F. Kennedy had to go before 930 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: a group of Protestant pastors and say that he wouldn't 931 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: be you know, ruled by the pope. I mean, there 932 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: was such you know, anti Catholicism Catholics. I mean, there 933 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: is still some anti Catholicism in this country, but Catholics 934 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: have been more or less uh you know, unculturated into 935 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,399 Speaker 1: the country, and so I don't think it's as much 936 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 1: of a shock for people. I think what might surprise 937 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: people that, you know, because Joe Biden is a mask 938 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 1: going a Catholic and he you know, takes his seriously, 939 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean, you know, I agree with him on 940 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 1: every political thing. Um, you know, you're gonna see a 941 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 1: lot more Catholic culture. I mean, he goes and asked 942 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,919 Speaker 1: every Sunday, he talks about hymns that he likes and 943 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 1: the sisters that he grew up with. So I think 944 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,319 Speaker 1: that's going to be the surprise for people. You're gonna 945 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: hear more about Catholic culture than we've heard since at 946 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,240 Speaker 1: least nineteen sixty and I think even John F. Kennedy 947 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: downplayed some of that. It's fascinating and I can't even 948 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: stress that enough. I mean, just how you know, you 949 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,480 Speaker 1: grow up and and and you you play c y 950 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,640 Speaker 1: O basketball and and whatnot, and and and just to 951 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,759 Speaker 1: see how that culture is really going to be on 952 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 1: full display and we haven't really talked about political constituencies 953 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 1: like Kennedy Catholics, for example, in in quite some time. Uh. 954 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: One of our producers on the program that indefatigable, hard working, 955 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: Matt Shirley says, fun fact, Teddy Roosevelt was the only 956 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 1: president to not swear to the oath of office on 957 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,080 Speaker 1: a Bible. Instead, he used a constitution. I didn't know that, Matt. 958 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,480 Speaker 1: Father Martin's with us. Father James Smartin an expert in 959 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: terms of the intersection of politics and faith in America. Uh. 960 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I was struck by a recent development 961 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,279 Speaker 1: coming from Pope frances which is that he wants to 962 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: visit Iraq. What do we know about the president? This 963 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,360 Speaker 1: would likely be his first trip to the Middle East 964 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,439 Speaker 1: since COVID nineteen. I mean, how significant of a trip 965 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,200 Speaker 1: is that going to be, Father Martin. Well, I'm no politician, 966 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: but I think it's it's I believe it's the first 967 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: papal trip to Iraq. Uh. You know, he has long 968 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: wanted to reach out to the Muslim community, and obviously, 969 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,799 Speaker 1: you know it's an It's an essential part of biblical history, right, 970 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you know all the things that happened out 971 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,960 Speaker 1: Iraq and the New test in the Old Testament. Uh. 972 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 1: And so I think it also shows that he's you know, 973 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 1: he's unafraid to to into Bill Bridges, I mean the 974 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: coin of phrase, and he again is reaching out to 975 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 1: the Muslim community in a way that I think it's 976 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: totally appropriate. So I was delighted. I just hope it 977 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: comes off, you know, with the covid um you know, 978 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 1: we will stay. It's but but the SIGNI pickings of 979 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 1: that in the time in which around the world, European 980 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 1: nations as well as the United States are beginning to 981 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: question not just the plight of Christians in in the 982 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: Middle East, but also other repressed religions around the world. 983 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 1: And what's coming to mind A case in point is 984 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 1: how the Communist Party of China and the actions that 985 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: they've taken Father Martin against religious minorities in their country, 986 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: how might that begin to shift things with China becoming 987 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: increasingly in focus. I think that's a very good point. 988 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,879 Speaker 1: I think you're right that he will, you know, when 989 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: he's there, inevitably draw attention to the persecuted Christian minorities 990 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, which is you know, again something 991 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 1: that I think people forget about that that the Christians 992 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,400 Speaker 1: who have been driven out from different Middle Eastern countries 993 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: in the past couple of years. And so you're right, 994 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 1: So it's it's not just it's not just the kind 995 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: of political statements that he's also going there people tend 996 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: to forget as a pastor, but he's going there as 997 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,800 Speaker 1: as the pastor for you know, Iraqi Catholics. And so 998 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: it's another purpose of of of of the papal visit. 999 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 1: As you've emerged as a national voice on these issues, 1000 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 1: You've been on the political Sunday shows, You've obviously been 1001 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: published uh and multiple publications, uh and and written numerous books. 1002 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what what do you think needs to happen 1003 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: in terms of changing the conversation about faith in America 1004 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,719 Speaker 1: so that it it becomes de politicized and that one 1005 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,360 Speaker 1: party doesn't have a monopoly over or make a monopoly 1006 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,680 Speaker 1: argument over faith in this country. Well, that's a very 1007 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: good question. I mean, I think the larger question is 1008 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,440 Speaker 1: what do we do about um, you know, sort of 1009 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 1: de politicizing everything. And I think the first step is 1010 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 1: for people to speak respectfully about one another, and you know, 1011 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 1: for example, not call one another pay Catholic or a 1012 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,240 Speaker 1: bad Christian, and you know, to give people the benefit 1013 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,360 Speaker 1: of the doubt, but I also think to your point, 1014 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,759 Speaker 1: you know, there is not one party that that owns Christianity, right, 1015 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Jesus was not a Democrat or a Republican. 1016 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,279 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, to be a good Catholic doesn't 1017 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: mean being a Democrat or a Republican. In terms of 1018 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, we are much bigger than that and 1019 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: much larger than that. And so I think, unfortunately, there 1020 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: have been so many people that have said that if 1021 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 1: you're not one party or another, if you don't vote 1022 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: for one person or another, you're not a good Catholic 1023 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: or not a good Christiman. You know, that's simply false, 1024 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: and we we have to we have to sort of 1025 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,000 Speaker 1: remove that that stereotype from the public discourse. Historically speaking, 1026 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,000 Speaker 1: it's will not. Historical speaking, we're in a very divisive time. 1027 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,840 Speaker 1: Social media is exacerbating. One could make the argument that 1028 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,600 Speaker 1: those divisions, foreign adversaries, it's been reported by the intelligence community, 1029 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 1: are capitalizing off of the that that and in the 1030 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 1: minute that I have left with you, my final question 1031 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 1: for you would be why do you remain hopeful and optimistic, 1032 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 1: defiantly that we could heal from this. Oh well, because 1033 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm a Christian. I mean the message of the resurrection 1034 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,320 Speaker 1: is one of hope. I mean, if you think about 1035 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: if you think about the Christmas message, it is you 1036 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: know that God is with us and all of these things. 1037 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,920 Speaker 1: God becomes incarnate in Jesus. If you think about the 1038 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,520 Speaker 1: message on the other side of Jesus's earthly life, the resurrection, 1039 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: it's nothing is impossible with God. And so yeah, it's 1040 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 1: not just mere optimism and hoping that things go well. 1041 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a fundamental belief in in 1042 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,560 Speaker 1: the power of God to bring about things that are 1043 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 1: new and again we see that both in Christmas and 1044 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,560 Speaker 1: in Easter. Happy to hear folks, thank you to Father 1045 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: James Martin. Go out and read the book Building a Bridge. 1046 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 1: Read it again. I'm Kevin Sirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg.