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Speaker 1: Hi guys, Welcome back to Killer Thriller DOCU edition. So

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Speaker 1: today we are revisiting a case that shocked the country

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Speaker 1: and became one of the most closely followed murder investigations

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Speaker 1: of the twenty first century more than twenty years ago

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Speaker 1: after the deaths of Lacy Peterson and her unborn son, Connor.

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Speaker 1: The case against Scott Peterson is once again making headlines

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Speaker 1: as new evidence, scientific analysis, and fresh legal arguments raise

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Speaker 1: questions about the original investigation and conviction. So, you guys,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a and he's Scott Peterson. The new

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Speaker 1: evidence and I am completely freaked out.

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Speaker 2: I definitely. For years now, I have believed that Scott.

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Speaker 1: Peterson murdered Lacy Peterson and their unborn son and Connor.

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Speaker 1: And I after watching this, I got to tell you,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I am baffled, I'm upset. I

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Speaker 1: feel bad for Scott Peterson. But what if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: what if he did do it?

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Speaker 2: I'm a total mess.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you that this documentary is so

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Speaker 1: unbelievable and so fascinating. And we're going to talk with

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Speaker 1: Chris Pixley, who is an attorney that made the documentary. Hi,

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Speaker 1: Chris Hi, Jenny Hi, I'm so upset. I feel so

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Speaker 1: bad for Scott Peterson. I have to tell you. And honestly,

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Speaker 1: I had him guilty until about two days ago, and

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Speaker 1: I am so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I am convinced that he didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: I hope that you know this, the work that you've

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Speaker 1: done here changes things for him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how hard that's going to be.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, in terms of the legalities

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Speaker 1: of that, but I am dumb founded. I mean just

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Speaker 1: shocked by what you presented in this documentary.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm so appreciative of you saying that. And it

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Speaker 3: was obviously a team of people and we stood on

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Speaker 3: the shoulders of the work that the Los Angeles Innozen's

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Speaker 3: project has done on this case. You know, they took

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Speaker 3: a very flawed person in Scott Peterson, and they looked

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Speaker 3: deeply at the flawed process and the flawed human beings

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Speaker 3: that brought about a flawed result. And you know, you

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Speaker 3: can point the finger in a lot of different directions.

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Speaker 3: The media was involved in it. The criminal investigators were

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Speaker 3: under tremendous pressure because of the media involvement. Because this

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Speaker 3: thing sploated nationally and then internationally in a matter of days.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can sort of understand how we came

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Speaker 3: series and you see how all of it developed, I

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Speaker 3: think it's it's hard to appreciate how many wrong justice,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, and the injustice of it. That's right.

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Speaker 3: It's a referendum on our system of justice. And and

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Speaker 3: I'll be brief on that because that might may not

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Speaker 3: on the surface be as interesting to people as the

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Speaker 3: actual facts about the Scott Peterson case.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: And I've done enough of these now documentaries to see

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Speaker 1: people that were kids that were convicted that you know,

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Speaker 1: stayed in jail for years until some new evidence, you know,

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Speaker 2: But so I am interested in that. Please go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well you're right, and you know, but for

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Speaker 3: the grace of God, any one of us goes there ourselves.

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Speaker 3: And that's really the issue. That's why everyone should care

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Speaker 3: about it, because you know, we have a highly politicized

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Speaker 3: legal system and criminal justice system. Prosecutors are elected officials.

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Speaker 3: Judges are elected officials. If you work in a prosecutor's office,

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Speaker 3: under tremendous pressure to win cases. The objective then is

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Speaker 3: not to find the truth. The objective is to bring

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Speaker 3: district attorney when they run for reelection anywhere in any

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Speaker 3: ninety five percent success rate or better. That's just that's

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Speaker 3: They were telling you, we're executing search warrants on Scott

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, it's interesting because you said

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Speaker 1: we just started that Scott Peterson, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the wording you use it. Basically, he wasn't a

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Speaker 1: also but just the way he handled it, his demeanor

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Speaker 3: But anyway, No, no, those are all the circumstances that

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Speaker 3: But there are circumstances, they're not evidence, and the problem

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Speaker 3: that evidence pointed away from him in a direction that

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Speaker 3: that was built entirely around Scott Peterson wasn't involved. This

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Speaker 3: was not a missing person's case. This was homicide investigation.

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Speaker 3: And by the evening of December twenty fourth, the police

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Speaker 2: Have I couldn't get over that.

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Speaker 3: Why doesn't he seem he was exhausted at that point,

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Speaker 1: Out and taking a telephone call and it was his

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Speaker 2: It was just crazy.

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Speaker 3: But to your point, he was not a good representative

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Speaker 3: so you're right. He took a phone call.

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Speaker 1: I've did so many interviews and with I don't know again,

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Speaker 2: And these kids who.

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Speaker 1: Were and I don't mean to but they were accused

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Speaker 2: They didn't do it, but in.

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Speaker 1: That hot seed, in that hot box, whatever happened in there,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So okay, my head is spinning because I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you this has been since I watched the only

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Speaker 1: thing I can think about. So the La Innocent's Innocence Project.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me.

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Speaker 3: It's a national movement that where we have innocence projects

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Speaker 3: And these innocence projects, all of which are independent and

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Speaker 3: They choose the cases that they take. You know, I

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Speaker 3: make the point that it's worth making. In the state

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Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting statistic, but it tells you something

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Speaker 3: So when the La Innocence Project takes this case in

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Speaker 1: They don't do it for nothing, right, not wasting their time.

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Speaker 1: There is no time to waste. Who presented it to them.

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Speaker 3: The Peterson family brought Yeah, the sister in law, right,

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Speaker 1: They said, yeah, we'll take it. So you guys just

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Speaker 1: to our yeah, to our listeners. So this is we're

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Speaker 1: talking about Scott Peterson's brother's wife, right, right, Chris.

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Speaker 2: She became a lawyer for this very reason.

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Speaker 1: At least that's what I've heard, am I correct in

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Speaker 1: that because they are so convinced of his innocence, and

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Speaker 2: Listening, I hope we've already watched it.

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Speaker 2: Royally, tell me what why you got attached to it?

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Speaker 1: Because I know that you were on this case way

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Speaker 1: back in the day, right where you were like Good

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Speaker 1: Morning America, I remember seeing And how did you feel

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Speaker 3: I wasn't convinced of his since back then, but almost

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Speaker 2: No, but the defense didn't even know about the van.

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Speaker 1: With faint traces of blood on a mattress. Like it's

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Speaker 2: Abbat walking out with safes and about it right right.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, imagine what it would take that Matt,

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Speaker 3: Well, that is a decision that was made by Maya Norris,

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Speaker 2: I think it's great. I think it's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Right, talking about how they all said Lacy couldn't control

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Speaker 3: And and she said, and they all said, you're trying

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Speaker 3: just had to tell the truth. Twenty you know, nearly

438
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 3: a quarter century later, she in talking to me says,

439
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 3: and I didn't just have to tell the truth. I

440
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 3: just I have to say. There's no way these two

441
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: things are unrelated. I saw these burglars in front of

442
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 3: the Medina home that morning, and as I drove by,

443
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: they all stared at me and they wanted me out there.

444
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 3: And now that same day, Lacy Peterson goes missing. You

445
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: cannot tell me that those two things are unrelated. So

446
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 3: here's this woman who says I want nothing to do

447
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 3: with this, who said, don't come to my home, don't

448
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: knock on my door with cameras. She was gracious to

449
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: talk to us because she's going through chemotherapy, she's in

450
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: late stages of cancer of a difficult cancer diagnosis. She

451
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: had no energy. But when we got talking about the

452
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: importance of her statement, she said, all right, I'll tell

453
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 3: you everything. And she didn't just tell us the fact.

454
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 3: She said, I look at this case and I think

455
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: it's a miscarriage of justice. She actually made it clear

456
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: that she's convinced that the Medina burglary and Lacy Peterson's

457
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: disappearance are connected, and she said that, you know, with pain,

458
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: because she doesn't want to be involved as a witness,

459
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 3: and she doesn't like the damage that her honest, factual

460
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: statement did to her friendships in Modesto. So there's a

461
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 3: human element to so much of this story. It happens

462
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: again and again, and of course, you know, I can't

463
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: say that and leave out the roach of family who

464
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: have suffered so greatly. But I don't believe that we're

465
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 3: doing a disservice to the roach of family by bringing

466
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: to light all of this.

467
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, that they would want justice to be served,

468
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: and if the guy who actually murdered their daughter is

469
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: out there, they want to know that. I mean, I

470
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: think that I would want to know that, right. I'm

471
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: sure drudges up so much for them. But but so

472
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: there was there's so much to point to the dogs,

473
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: how the way that they used I keep thought, I

474
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: have to keep explaining. I hope that who's ever listening

475
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: has actually seen this documentary. But that was another part

476
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: that I found absolutely fascinating. So you so you explain

477
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: it to us how the dogs picked up on the

478
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: scent of Lacey in airport is it.

479
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: Called airport in the airport district.

480
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: In the airport district where the van was, and they

481
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: let it go. They didn't bring it in as an evidence.

482
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: How does that happen?

483
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 3: That's right. So we've talked about this brain van, which

484
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: the defense was never made aware of, which the public

485
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: wasn't made aware of, which we've only learned about in

486
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: recent years. Now you've raised the point of the dogs

487
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: scent evidence. Because there was no forensic evidence discovered in

488
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: the home. The police went the next step and they

489
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: got these dog trainers to bring in cadaver dogs and

490
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 3: sent dogs two slightly different kinds of dogs. One does

491
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: just what it sounds like, it will. It is trained

492
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: to identify if there is the scent of a cadaver

493
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: a dead body. They brought in a cadaver dog into

494
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 3: scent dogs. The dogs arrived at all of these different conclusions,

495
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: but interestingly one of the dogs. None of the dogs

496
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 3: alerted in the home. The dogs didn't alert at Scott

497
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: Peterson's truck, and they didn't alert at the boat, meaning

498
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: that they didn't get any scent of Lacy Peterson or

499
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: of a cadaver in the home, the truck, or the boat,

500
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: the three places that the prosecution says that Lacy Peterson

501
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: absolutely was before she wound up in the San Francisco Bay.

502
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: One of the scent dogs alerts at the Berkeley Marina,

503
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: that is the one that that who's that the jury

504
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 3: was allowed to hear from the handler of that handler

505
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: had given that dog one of Scott's slippers, thinking that

506
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: it was Lacey's slipper. So the dog all we really

507
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 3: need is Scott identified Scott sent at the Berkeley Marina

508
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: where Scott placed himself right, the judge disallowed the jury

509
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: hearing from the from the other sent dog, which trapped

510
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: Lacy Peterson sent all the way to the airport district.

511
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: But Chris, why what did the judge? I mean? Are

512
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: you do you have doubts about the judge?

513
00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: I have concerns anytime judges allow scent dog evidence in

514
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: to these trials at all, because, as we've discussed, you

515
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: know this, these are this is the sixth Amendment issue.

516
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: You know, you have a right to confront your accuser.

517
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: You can't confront a dog right.

518
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: And you can't, and you're ultimately left, uh, prosecution and

519
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: defense to examine a dog handler someone who says, I

520
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: know what Rover means when he's when he when he

521
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: scratches his all this way when he times right. And

522
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: there's no uniform training uh for dog handlers. The training

523
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: is very minimal. You know, we have television shows about

524
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 3: sent dogs, and so we know that the public's interested

525
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: in it. And all of the research shows that jurors

526
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: believe believe dog handlers. They believe it, uh, and so

527
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: the you know, one of the many problems, one of

528
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: the consistent problems in this case is that the jury

529
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: heard testimony that is either incomplete or inaccurate. That evidence

530
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: was presented to the defense while other evidence was with

531
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: or destroyed the dog sent evidence. It's the same situation. Okay,

532
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: so we heard the jurors heard about a dog alerting

533
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: at the Berkeley Marina, which makes you think, Okay, Lacey

534
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: was at the Berkeley Marina, Scott must must have done it.

535
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: They of course, the judge, I don't believe you knew it.

536
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: And the defense didn't figure out at the time that

537
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: the dog handler had given articles of Scott's articles and

538
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: Lacey's to this dog which contaminated the whole result. But

539
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: the judge did make the decision to disallow the competing

540
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: evidence of another dog that went to the airport destroy

541
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: of course would go to another another theory. So it's

542
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: all of this is probably it's beyond problematic. I mean,

543
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: this is the reason that we are arguing. Los Angeles

544
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: Iness Project, whose shoulders were standing on, argues that this

545
00:28:52,200 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: was not a fair trot.

546
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of the marina, speaking of water, speaking of where

547
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: they found Lacey's body, are you kidding me?

548
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: So?

549
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: Before I watched the documentary, I remember that Lacey was

550
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: found in the water. It made complete sense that where

551
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: the boat was, he would have dropped Lacey's body and

552
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: she would have come up on shore at that exact spot.

553
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: And now, all these years later, as science has caught

554
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: up with the evidence, it turns out that she would

555
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: not have been not have turned up where she did.

556
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: Right that she turned up somewhere? Was it very shallow,

557
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: you'd say it to us again?

558
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. The prosecution put on an expert hydrologist by

559
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: the name of doctor Ralph Chang. Doctor Chang's background in

560
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: hydrology was appropriate to testify and to opine on where

561
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: the Lacey's body was likely placed in the bay, given

562
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: where it ultimately washed up and where Connor's body washed up,

563
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: which were along the Richmond shoreline, two separate locations, one

564
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: at Point Isabelle and one directly on the Richmond.

565
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: Shore They hadn't take into account the tides, right, Yes.

566
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: They asked doctor Chang to take into to testify as

567
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: to where the bodies were likely placed in the water

568
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: using his background studying tides, and he testified. First of all,

569
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: he was qualified to testify. He discussed all of the

570
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: papers and the research that he's published on this topic

571
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: of hydrology and title action, and then on the basis

572
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: of his expertise in title action, he told them, yes,

573
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: the bodies were placed in the bay exactly where Scott

574
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: Peterson was fishing that morning, where just south of Brooks Island.

575
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: That fit hand in love with the prosecution's theory. The

576
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: problem was that he could not using the technology that

577
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: was available at the time, in that limited space between

578
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: Brooks Island and where the bodies were found, he couldn't

579
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: make a determination using tidal action, and so he was

580
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: He testified that he's the right person to talk about this,

581
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: that he has all this background in hydrology, but he

582
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: did his analysis on the basis of wind action, and

583
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 3: he used a wind tower that was behind a mountain

584
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: as opposed to using a wind tower that was out

585
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: in the San Francisco Bay to arrive at the wind

586
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: calculation itself. All of which tells you he knowingly testified

587
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: to the jury that about the location of Lacy's body

588
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: being placed in the bay to support the prosecution's case,

589
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: knowing that he was literally lifting his thumb to the

590
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: wind and making a guess.

591
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: That is sick.

592
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: And now we have and to your point, now we

593
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: have this new technology, delved three D technology that didn't

594
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: exist at the time that does allow us to backtrack

595
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: from where the bodies were found to where they would

596
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: have been placed in the bay. And it's not out

597
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: in the middle of the bay where Scott Peterson was.

598
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: It's from a land based location which was accessible at

599
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: that time. It had just it had been turned from

600
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: a garbage dump. It was being transitioned into a public

601
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: park and it had just opened the month earlier and

602
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 3: you could drive a car out there. We walked it

603
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: and the paths are still drivable and the new del

604
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: three D technology and the experts that operated can show

605
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: you in the same way that we look at the

606
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: way you know, the likely direction that a hurricane is

607
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: going to move, and we see all those different colored lines.

608
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: DELT three D technology does that with wave action. And

609
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: when they do the analysis based on where the bodies arrived,

610
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: they were able to show they were launched from land

611
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: literally a stone from where, from from where they were found,

612
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 3: not near where Scott Peterson was. And similarly, if you

613
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: do the analysis of a body being placed in the

614
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: bay where Scott Peterson was, it washes out to the

615
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: golden gates right and never never to a.

616
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: Bit unreal and the gestational age of the baby and

617
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: that all of that. It's the evidence seems irrefutable that

618
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: he did not do it.

619
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: It is overwhelming. It is let me ask you.

620
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: Something on that. Do you I know, I think I

621
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: know what you believe? Do you would you bet your

622
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: ranch he did not do it? Do you completely believe that?

623
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: But two things, well two things. I'm gonna give you

624
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: the lawyer's answer, which you won't like and no one

625
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: in the audience will like either. But the issue just

626
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: to put this in proper perspective. The issue here that

627
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: is being challenged is whether Scott Peterson got a fair trial.

628
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: I can say he did not on equivocently, he did

629
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: not get a fair trial. The experts that testified on

630
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: behalf of the state, one of which you just touched on.

631
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: And we haven't even talked about the gestational age of

632
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: Connor Peterson at the time of Connor's death. Connor was

633
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: and Utero hadn't been born yet. Lacey was eight months

634
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: pregnant when Lacey died. Connor would have died not before

635
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: or until, but not after either. And the Los Angeles

636
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: Citizens Project has demonstrated that Connor Peterson likely passed away

637
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: sometime between December twenty eighth and early January of two

638
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: thousand and three, at which point in time Scott's under

639
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: constant surveillance. He didn't take his wife and put her

640
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: in a closet for four or five days and then

641
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: killed right and of course, of course, so he couldn't

642
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: have had anything to do with it. So on the

643
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: issue that is that the Los Angeles Citizens Project it

644
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: has taken on, you know, the challenge to his trial

645
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: and the constitutionality of that trial, and whether that verdict

646
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: is reliable, I can say unequivocally is it is not

647
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: a reliable verdict. And were it not for the fact

648
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: that this is such a hot potato, I think every

649
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: you know, every prosecutor, and every judge looking at it

650
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: would have to tell you the same, right, the separate

651
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 3: question of whether I think he's guilty or innocent. Having

652
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: studied it at the time almost a quarter century ago

653
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: and spent I mean, we would go on this was

654
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: back into the TV days. We would go on Larry

655
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: King Live three nights a week talking about the Peterson case.

656
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: We talked about everything else as well. Martha Stewart got

657
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 3: convicted during that time period. Michael Jackson got tried during

658
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: that time period. Kobe Bryant was accused of rape and

659
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: Colorado during that time period, we would talk about all

660
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: those other cases. There was no case we talked about

661
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: as much as Scott as Scott Peterson's case. Having studied

662
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: it then and then seeing all of the evidence now

663
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: that was never turned over that was unknown, and the

664
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Speaker 3: new science as well, I'm comfortable saying no, I don't

665
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: think that he did it. I think that, as I said,

666
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: this is necessarily person who did a lot of bad things.

667
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: But on this issue whether he committed this crime against

668
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: his wife and his unmore child, no, I don't think

669
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Speaker 3: that he did.

670
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Speaker 2: Right.

671
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: Having an affair is not murder. But you mentioned that again,

672
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: did a lot of bad things outside of the affair.

673
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: Was there something that I don't know about that he did?

674
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was never accused of any violence. He

675
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: was never right.

676
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: No, no, And you're right. And when I say multiple

677
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: bad things, it cuts both ways because one of the

678
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: things that came out in this deep investigation that was

679
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: being done back in two thousand and two and two

680
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: thousand and three with respect to Scott Peterson was the

681
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: fact that he had had another affair when he and

682
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: Lacey were married but students at at at cal Poly,

683
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: and it seemed to have been a pattern with him

684
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: there for the time that there was that there, that

685
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: there were more than these two affairs. So that's what

686
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: I mean that that and all the bad decisions that

687
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: he that he made in terms of how he handled

688
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: himself in the immediate aftermath for disappearance, including his decision

689
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: which he says was to try to keep everything copathetic

690
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: with Amber. And that's he says why he maintained those.

691
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: Phone Yeah, agree that was gross.

692
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: But the phone call exactly. The phone calls go beyond

693
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: trying to keep things, you know, So there were there

694
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: are all kinds of decisions that he made that were

695
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: terrible decisions. I think, knowing the evidence the way that

696
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: I do, though, I'm not at all uncomfortable saying that

697
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: those are bad decisions. Some of them speak to bad character.

698
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: But there's absolutely no evidence that he committed the crime.

699
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: And when the other thing that we looked at is

700
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: how difficult it would have been for him to commit

701
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: the crime. You know, this is all done in broad daylight,

702
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: and he moves the body three times, so he has

703
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 3: to move the body from his home into his truck.

704
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: The eyewitnesses Christ Debenwolf, who saw him that morning waved

705
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: to him when she was out on the street, says

706
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: that his truck was pointed into the driveway with the

707
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: bed of the truck open.

708
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: Right like, why wouldn't he turn the truck around?

709
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: He didn't turn the truck around and back it in.

710
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: The boat would have sunk that the body. I don't know,

711
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: when you there's a is a cadaver obviously heavier once

712
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: to what's just dead.

713
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 2: Is it heavier than a body that's alive.

714
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: And it's a pregnant woman, and you have to and

715
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: you would have to anchor the body down as well.

716
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: So there, you know, the defense attempted to put into evidence, uh,

717
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: this recreation where they had someone attempt to take a

718
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: body with anchors of the same weight and size over

719
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: the side. The judge just allowed it. At the time,

720
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Speaker 3: I tended to agree with him only because the re

721
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: enactment was sort of hamhanded, and you know, and the

722
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: boat turns over and the guy falls in and all

723
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: the rest. But it's definitely a difficult feat to take

724
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: a pregnant woman of that size and weight, put anchors

725
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: on her, put it and take her out in a

726
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: shallow bottom boat in San Francisco Bay. This is not

727
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: some small estuary. This has got major wave action. And

728
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: he of us have done escape from Alcatraz to triathlon

729
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: it's done out there. Know that it's freezing cold and

730
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: the wave action is huge. You get knocked about if

731
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: you try to swim in San Francisco. So it's the

732
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: idea that you would take that boat out toward Brooks

733
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: Island and lift that body out anchored down and keep

734
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 3: that boat that shallow bottomed fishing, right, It's not that

735
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: that reasonable. So I don't I don't differ with the

736
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: fact that the defense wanted to present that to the

737
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Speaker 3: jury and the judgement allow them to and that's a

738
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Speaker 3: that's a legitimate decision.

739
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Speaker 1: I have questions for you about what happens now, but

740
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: I can't help in my head is spinning with the handwriting,

741
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: because that was a big thing, right, Like, why didn't

742
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: anyone know that he was buying this boat? He was

743
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: buying it for his quote unquote father in law for Christmas.

744
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem that doesn't seem feasible. And she didn't know,

745
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: Lacey didn't know about it. And then you see the

746
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: post it notes talking about what's needed for the boat.

747
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's the anchors or whatever. And

748
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: it's Lacey's handwriting. Come on, exactly, you made the points,

749
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: not me. I'm just completely blown away about it. I

750
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: can't like what is going to happen now. So do

751
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: you think he has a shot is this?

752
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: I do you think that.

753
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: Your work, your documentary is going to take off? I

754
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: hope and open people's eyes. Do you think that it's

755
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: going to help exonerate him. What do you think is

756
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: going to happen now?

757
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: When I represented Eric menandez I for over a decade,

758
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 3: I used to tell him that until the narrative surrounding

759
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: his case and his story in Lyle's story changes, it

760
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: will be difficult to get relief. This, I think is

761
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 3: a similar situation. We won the appeal for Eric and

762
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: Lyle all the way up to the circuit decision. There

763
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: it took Ryan Murphy's Monsters to change the narrative surrounding

764
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: Eric and Lyle's case, and now they're parole eligible thanks

765
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 3: to that story and that re examination of their entire background.

766
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: I believe that this case needs to have the narrative

767
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: re examined as well. I do think that this series,

768
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 3: which is based on the work that the Los Angeles

769
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: Citizens Project is doing, achieves that and is likely and

770
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: should change the discussion. And I think it's necessary to

771
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: change the discussion if you're going to get relief from

772
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: the courts. Right now, this case is on its way

773
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: up to the California Supreme Court, and there's a distinct

774
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: possibility that the Innocence Project will have to go to

775
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: the Ninth Circuit Court of appeals with this. If they're

776
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: denied at the state court level, and the way that works,

777
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: you know, your chances get narrower and narrower. But this

778
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: is one of those cases that has issue upon issue

779
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: upon issue, and new evidence upon new evidence.

780
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you nervous for the blowback?

781
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think there will. First of all, we're going

782
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: to have a version of the blowback that we had

783
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: twenty four years ago for the next few months. And

784
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: that's why I you know, raised the issue of the

785
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: dog walker and you know, other pregnant women walking in

786
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: the neighborhood and all the old stories that you used

787
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: to hear that it turned out didn't really have any

788
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: viability at all. I do think ironically though, the criminal investigators,

789
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: we talked to them, we discussed, you know, the parameters

790
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: of an interview, We did everything we could to accommodate them,

791
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 3: and ultimately they chose not to step forward and talk.

792
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

793
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that ultimately that's on them. These are

794
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: people that have been willing to talk about this case

795
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: for the last quarter century, and now that the Lost

796
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: Citizens Project has shined this enormous light on how they

797
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: handled the case, they don't want to so there's going

798
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: to be there will be blowback, and and there is

799
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: a large segment of the population who feels really very

800
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: strongly about Scott Peterson also, so it's going to redo

801
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: those discussions. What I what I hope you can avoid though,

802
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: is a lot of talk about evidence that isn't evidence

803
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: and old stories that aren't that aren't true. You know,

804
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: we did everything we could to look top to bottom

805
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: at this at the case, and you know, good with

806
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: the bad.

807
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: You know, I was I I'm telling you, I went

808
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: from believing he did it to believing he's innocent.

809
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: And I didn't expect that really. You know, my producer,

810
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: one of my producers, Christy, She's like.

811
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: I think maybe he was Amanda knoxed and we were

812
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: it's but but but you know, my producers, more than

813
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: more than I have, have done a lot of interviews

814
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: about this case, all right, and they've produced a lot

815
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: of podcasts on it, and I think that they were

816
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: convinced as well that he did it. Everyone thinks he

817
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: did it. I don't think so anymore. And it's heartbreaking,

818
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like nervous, I'm nervous for to come out.

819
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: What's going to happen now I'm nervous for him, and

820
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, also, God forbid we ever take anything away

821
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: from the pain of what Lacy's family has been through.

822
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: And I hope that we're right that they maybe if

823
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: there are doubts, they'll be you know, relieved to figure

824
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: it out.

825
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: And who actually killed their daughter?

826
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Speaker 1: That does that is hard, you know, that's kind of

827
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: a hard pill to swallow, just drudging this up in

828
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: terms of them. But I watched it with honestly not

829
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: an open mind. I was biased and I am now

830
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: convinced that he did not do it. And regardless, he

831
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Speaker 1: didn't get a fair trial.

832
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Speaker 3: And there's never there's never been anyone that's given treatment

833
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: to this story like this series. And because I'm involved

834
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: in it, that sounds like a self serving state. But

835
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: I you know, everyone that has looked at at the

836
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: same reaction, and I mean you you are on the

837
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 3: short list of the exclusive interviews that we've been giving

838
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: about this. But everyone that is looking at this series

839
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 3: that's about to premiere tomorrow night and getting some advanced

840
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: looks are all saying the same thing, which is it's

841
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 3: this is groundbreaking. It sort of changes the whole story.

842
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: Well it does, and that's the work of the La

843
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: Innocence Project, and I have to give the credit to them.

844
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: Well, you have many, many, many times.

845
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: When we were able to bring into experts to it

846
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: though and get their feedback, it was it was amazing.

847
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: It would many times not only agree with the findings

848
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: that support Scott Peterson, but they would they would make

849
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: their own findings and sort of expand on what the

850
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 3: Innocence Projects done. And the series sort of almost takes

851
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 3: it a step further with all of these independent experts

852
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: who had nothing to do with the case at all,

853
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: their findings were amazed.

854
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: Listen.

855
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the Menendez brothers and I understand

856
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: they're still behind bars, but you brought the whole country.

857
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: You know, everybody.

858
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: I well, I when I saw what happened, shifted my

859
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: thought and I think I always had some feeling for them.

860
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: Right to kill your own parents. Something went down there

861
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: that was not right. But I definitely feel like they

862
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: should be out of prison now, and that's because of

863
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: the work that you did then and the work that

864
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: you're doing now. I hope it gets I think it will.

865
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Speaker 1: My bet is that this is going to change a

866
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: lot of people's minds. I hope that it does, and

867
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate it. You are a truth seeker.

868
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just I hope that everyone

869
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Speaker 1: watches it because I'm telling you now, I'm I'm just

870
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: stick for Scott Peterson. And it's weird to say that,

871
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Speaker 1: right because I know the laziest parents out there, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: How that would be received.

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Speaker 1: But I saw this thing, and I saw all the

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Speaker 1: evidence you presented, and you've convinced me.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what to say, uh, except that the team

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Speaker 3: of people that were involved in this starting but the

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Speaker 3: team of people at left, right and any are amazing.

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Speaker 3: And I've been doing television for the last quarter century

882
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Speaker 3: and it was the best experience I've had doing TV.

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Speaker 3: They gave us the resources and the time, and they

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Speaker 3: brought the best expert I mean, we went around the

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Speaker 3: country meeting with, uh, some of the most esteemed experts

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Speaker 3: to bring these questions to them. That takes a lot.

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Speaker 3: They have a lot of other things on their plate.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, you you know, because you produce,

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Speaker 3: you know, your own show on this ongoing basis, which

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Speaker 3: can't I can't fathom. We said it was going to

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Speaker 3: be a month. No, I can't fathom. Because we said

892
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Speaker 3: it was going to take a month to produce this,

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Speaker 3: and it took six months. I can't imagine doing different stories,

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Speaker 3: you know, and and back to back.

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: So you should you shouldn't look as young as you do. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: well off, I mean that really sincerely.

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Speaker 2: You know, not all heroes were capes Chris, Okay, but.

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Speaker 3: Really I want to pay credit to all the people

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Speaker 3: that weren't involved, because you know, it really really brilliant people,

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Speaker 3: UH put their lives on hold to try to get

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Speaker 3: this this right and to put it in front of

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Speaker 3: right experts. And every time we went out, we came

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Speaker 3: back saying, I can't I can't believe we got that interview.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe what they had to say.

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Speaker 1: That's just that's the whole thing it was. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it. I can't believe it. I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: Over and over and over again while watching this. All right,

909
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Speaker 1: my friend, thank you, thank you so much for coming on,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for doing God's work right