1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph. Mom. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Never told you your production of I Heart Radio Today 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: is a special episode for several reasons, but the number 4 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: one might be that we are for the first time 5 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: recording from our home studios. So, Samantha, why don't you 6 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: describe to the listeners where you are recording from. Well, 7 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: I think I've already showed a video myself trying to 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: set up those amazing, amazing equipment. Thank you. It was 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: a sixteen minute video. WHI should have been a two 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: minute video. Oh god, mine, if I had recorded all 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: of mine, it would have been very long and a 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: lot of cursing. I lied, I said it was a 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: little cursing. It was a lot. I do like that. 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: There was a old Listeners are like, yes, thank you, 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: keep it real, show the struggle. Um. I am now 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: in my dining room. I have kicked out my dog 17 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: because she is too loud and when she hears any noise, 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: and especially with me being around almost all the time 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: now I think she's hyper aware that something is happening. 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: But in my dining room, literally sitting with my laptop, 21 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: a mic and my headset's kind of on my head 22 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: because the way we're recording it is through Skype, but 23 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: at the same time, we're using an audio limit that 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: our super producer Andrew is going to have to fix 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: and splice together. Thank you very much. Um, I'm definitely 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: in pajama pants, no bra, a little bit of wine 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: I did. I did let this, brush my teeth and 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: wash my face today though, I feel like I've been 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: pretty good at maintaining some semblance of I put on 30 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: clothes and I washed my face, and I shower and exercise. 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: But who knows how long that will last. I definitely 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: only exercise for the first time yesterday for about minutes. Um. 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: If you follow on Twitter, you will see that it 34 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: did not really help in comparison to all that I've ingested. Yeah, yeah, 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: that is a struggle. Yeah, I am recording from my closet. Yes, 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: I see all the games. Yeah, there's games and books 37 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: and mostly costumes. This is my costuming closet. Really big closet. 38 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: Thank you. I don't know why I feel so proud 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: to have a big closet. A lot of people who 40 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: have visited my apartment don't even know this exists, and 41 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: then when I showed them, they're always like wow, um, 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: but uh yeah, it's it's cozy. It's cozy. I I 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: put it. I posted a picture as well if anyone 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: wants to see it. Um, but it is right next 45 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: to your window and I've done my best to sound proof. 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: But if you hear birds or traffic, just bear with 47 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: us as we work out the kinks in this system. So, 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: how how is your quarantine going? I will say I 49 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: have been a lot luckier than some. I do have 50 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: a partner. I think I've talked about him a little bit. 51 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Uh where he is around because he's literally my downstairs neighbor. Yeah, 52 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: that's a whole big story. And so essentially we live 53 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: together but don't so we can be away from each 54 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: other but together. Oh yeah, so it's a perfect little setup. 55 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: I will say that I feel like I'm definitely getting antsy. 56 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: I think that's the best word I can think of it, 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: because I do. I get into the point where my 58 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: house gets cluttered with things, and I'm at this point 59 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: where everything's cluttered, but at the same time it's kind 60 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: of there for a purpose. But I'm feeling a little 61 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: little bit overwhelmed. Sure, but I think I'm doing okay. 62 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Everything is I know that I'm fearing better than most, 63 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: so I feel very privileged in that. But how how 64 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: are you doing? Because I know you are alone, and 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: that made me, It gives me a little worried. I 66 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: am a I'm a very social creature, and I know 67 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I talked about in our Trauma mini series. One of 68 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: the ways I cope is by constantly keeping myself busy, 69 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: and that is harder to do when you can't leave 70 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: and like Atlanta, of course, Atlanta is miserable weather for 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: months and right when the city is like everyone, do 72 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: not leave your place. It's beautiful outside and it's so 73 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: cordial beautiful. Um. But I happen staying in touch with people, 74 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: and we're working on, you know, the virtual watch parties. 75 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: Samantha and I are talking about doing some of those ourselves. 76 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: So finding these virtual ways to to have company and 77 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: to keep contact with people has been really really helpful, 78 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: right I think if people, I will say, I do 79 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: love the fact that we're almost more in touch with 80 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: each other now than we were before because we're like hey, um, 81 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: and not as talking about a previous episode where we 82 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: have just an app, whether it's the go to meeting 83 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: zoom whatever, and we have it up all day, not 84 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: necessarily because we're watching and talking together all day, but 85 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: the option of hey, this is which is silly. It's 86 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: this silly thing just happened and we've never done that before. 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: But now that we're like, oh, this is what we 88 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: can do now that we are absolutely all alone or 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: with the only the one person who may not understand 90 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: what we're talking about in comparison to so that has 91 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: been kind of nice to see. I mean when it 92 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: comes down to communication wise, it's been nice to see 93 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: in trying to bond with each other. And I will say, yeah, 94 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: this definitely has brought in a whole level of I 95 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: think this is when people talking about going in through 96 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: like a military service together where only you guys know 97 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: what it feels like to be in that weird situation. 98 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: This quarantine life has kind of put us all on 99 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: that same page. Yeah, like globally, Yeah, it really has 100 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: it as UM and I did want to a quick 101 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: note before we get into our episode. UM. I did 102 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: want to say we were pretty far ahead before this happened. UM, 103 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: so you're going to hear some episodes that we recorded 104 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: in the before times UM come out after this one 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: and I think it will be pretty obvious which ones 106 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: those are, but just want to put that out there. 107 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: We are doing our we are doing our a bit. 108 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: We're quarantining, we're social distancing. But there are some episodes 109 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: you're going to hear that we recorded in some cases 110 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: like months ago, um, that are only gonna just come 111 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: out probably in April. So there's that note. And uh, 112 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: relevant to this episode, which is a book club episode. 113 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: I remember when we first said like, let's we're gonna 114 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: make this book Club happen, we both had concerns about how, well, 115 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: how are we going to read one book a month? 116 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: And now I'm kind of like, hey, and I will 117 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 1: say for books like this because another listener had also 118 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: said the same thing that it took our two days 119 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: to read this. It took me like a day and 120 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: a half to read this. It was a really good, 121 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: simple read, very fantasy level. So stuff like this is like, okay, 122 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: well this is not too bad. Yeah, it was a 123 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: quick read. So what we're talking about for this edition 124 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: of book Club is ash by Melinda Lowe, and uh, 125 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: Samantha and I are doing it with wine. Yes, we 126 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: are definitely making this an official book Club book. Club 127 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: by adding our own little beverages. And for those who 128 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: don't drink, I hope you're listening with whatever sparkling water 129 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: you want, just a regular water, iced tea, hot tea, whatever, 130 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: just joined. Cuddle up and imagine this as our book 131 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: club together, our book club together. I love it. And 132 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: this was actually a listener recommendation for forever ago when 133 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: I asked for LGBTQ plus fiction. So thanks to the 134 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: people who wrote in and suggested this one, and always, always, 135 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: always keep those recommendations coming. We need our next book 136 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: for next month's book club. We need our next movie 137 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: for fitness Movie Friday. Please send in your suggestions. But 138 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: for today, okay, Ash, let's talk about the plots. Yeah. 139 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: So the story is a reimagining of the Cinderella fairy tale, 140 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: complete with fairies and magic, split up into two sections, 141 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: which is the fairy and the Hundreds is a tale 142 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: of loneliness and love and magic. It follows Ashling or Ash, 143 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: and it opens with her mother's death as a young girl, 144 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: and it's clear that they are very close and the 145 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: death really impacts Ash. And I wanted to put in 146 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: here one of my worst auditions ever, and that's actually 147 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: quite the feat because I've had some bad auditions. Was 148 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: for one of the step sisters in Cinderella. But to 149 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: be fair or to not be fair, I was trying 150 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: to get out of band practice. I actually didn't really care. 151 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: I just knew if I auditioned and I didn't have 152 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: to go to van practice. So that's fair. When I 153 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: we had Um into the Woods with one of our plays, 154 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: and I played the mother of Jack and the beanstalk 155 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: funny say, I feel like I was pretty funny. I 156 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: got a lot of laughs of that I do remember. 157 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: But to go back to the name Ash, obviously it's 158 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: a reference to the Cinderella fairy tale where she's falling 159 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: asleep in the ashes or cinders of the hearth, and 160 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: according to Low, it also means dreams or visions, and 161 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: Ash has a lot of those throughout. The story is 162 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: definitely intertwined throughout. Oh yeah, and and we um. We 163 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: forgot to mention, but we were accidentally timely with this 164 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: pick because nineteen with the tenure anniversary of this book, 165 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: so they re released it. Um. It seemed really perfectly timed. Yeah. Um. Anyway, 166 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: the world it takes place in is in the middle 167 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: of a transition, which mean the old fashioned ways of 168 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: magic and those that believe the stories of magic are 169 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: all fairy tales. Ash's mother, Eleanor, fell into the old 170 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: fashioned camp, and she was what was called a green witch. 171 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: They created potions and big cast spells, some of which 172 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: her mother recorded in books that later become a huge 173 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: comfort to Ash when Ash finds them. She also left 174 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: behind books of fairy tales that Ash reads pretty much 175 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: every night. One in particular is her favorite, about a 176 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: girl who essentially dies to live in the fairy world. 177 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: She chooses kind of eternal sleep, I think to be 178 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: in the fairy world as opposed to existing in the 179 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: real world. Um Ash frequently sleeps by her mother's grave, 180 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: hoping to see a fairy and believing that the fairies 181 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: will be able to reunite her with her mother and 182 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: then her father, meanwhile fell into the more logical camp. 183 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: Soon after his wife dies, he leaves for the city 184 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: of Royal City to do some trading, leaving Ash at 185 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: their home in Rook Hill, on the border of the 186 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: mysterious Wood with a capital W, a place stories say 187 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: is home to all of the fairies, and when he returned, 188 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: it's with a new wife named Isabel, and her two daughters, 189 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: Anna and Clara. Ash is obviously unhappy with the situation, 190 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: feeling as though it was a betrayal to her mother. 191 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: I can see that, and she continues to search the 192 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: woods for the fairies and finally makes contact with one. 193 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: He instructs her to leave angrily, calling her a fool 194 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: for looking for them at all. Right. When Ash returns home, 195 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: she discovers her father has fallen seriously ill. One of 196 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: her mother's friends and fellow Greenwich, pushes for treatment of 197 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: the old ways, telling Isabel if she calls her a physician, 198 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: it will make things worse. Isabel ignores her, and soon 199 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: after Ash's father dies, she and her stepmother and stepsisters 200 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: moved into Isabel's house called the Queen House at West Riding, 201 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: which is five miles outside of rural city and it's 202 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: the famous staging ground of the Royal Hunts. These hunts 203 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: are always led by women called huntresses, which is awesome 204 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: in this way. So soon after Isabel informs Ash that 205 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: her father left behind a series of debts and to 206 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: pay them off, she demands that Ash works as a servant, 207 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: and she works from daunt or dusk, dealing with her 208 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: stepmother's cruel treatment and abuse that it often involves striking 209 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: Ash and locking her in the cellar, but at night 210 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: she reads the stories her mother left her when she came. 211 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: She sneaks out to the woods searching for fairies in 212 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: a way to bring her mom back, and she again 213 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: runs into the fairy she met earlier. He's intimidating, I'm 214 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: mysterious and gives off an air of danger. I'm not 215 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: gonna lie. When I read this, I kind of thought 216 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: of like the Twilight level of Edward. Yeah, I didn't 217 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: wonder that. So throughout the series, she has a lot 218 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: of meetings and she learns his name is Sheen, and 219 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: she begs him to take her with him to the 220 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: fair world, but he keeps saying it's not time yet. 221 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: Also shout out to Melinda Lowe for having a section 222 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: on her website on how to pronounce all the names. 223 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: Obviously any any time you can write out the pronunciation 224 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: of things, thank you, yes, um. So years go by, 225 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: Ash becomes very familiar with the trails of the Royal Woods. 226 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: She continues to meet with Sheen and they develop an 227 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: uneasy friendship. I guess at the same time, Anna, the 228 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: oldest daughter, becomes of age, which means Isabel regularly takes 229 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: her to the city to find a rich husband, and 230 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: they are very transparent that that is what they are 231 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: all about. Anna bickers with her younger sister about it, 232 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: kind of insinuating that the younger sister doesn't know anything. 233 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: They are both excited though, at the prospect of meeting 234 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: Prince Aidan. One day, Ash falls asleep in the woods 235 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: and when she awakes, she sees a woman drinking from 236 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: the river. They make eye contact and the woman's smiles 237 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: before disappearing into the wood, and Ash later dreams about 238 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: this woman. Ash has taken to the city to act 239 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: as a servant for her stepfamily. During fuel there, she 240 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: meets fellow servant Gwynn and they become friends. It's really 241 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: nice to have a few characters who actually like her, 242 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: thank you. Because it's so dark. So they attend a 243 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: party for the servants, and Ash sees the woman from 244 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: the wood and realize that she is the Royal Huntress. 245 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: Um and Ashleys are again later and in staid when 246 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: she leaves the party early. Feeling lonely, Ash skips out 247 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: on the party too and that night, Gwynn probes Ash 248 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: about her feelings about men, obviously and who she wants 249 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: to marry, and Ash feels uncomfortable and sure, and the 250 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: conversation makes Ash think of a different kind of love 251 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: and she obviously desperately misses her mother. Gwinn gives her 252 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: a spell meant to give her dreams of her future husband. 253 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: Ash takes it, and then they returned to Quinn House. 254 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: The morning after they return, Ash gives a spell to 255 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: her stepsister Anna Um and it does not work, and 256 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: Anna angrily calls her rustick. Ash goes out that night 257 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: to meet Sheen, who tells her that he knew her 258 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: mother Um. He protects her from other fairies, informing them 259 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: that Ash belongs to him, but still he tells her 260 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: it is not time, but he does give her a 261 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: medallion to wish for impossible things. Inter the Huntress, Ash 262 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: meets her again in the forest where the huntress is 263 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: tracking a deer, and they chat about how they've come 264 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: across each other. Several times. Ash pulls the classic I'm 265 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: lost routine uh to spend more time with her, even 266 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: though she was not lost at all. We learned the 267 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: huntress's name is Kaisa, and that they both share a 268 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: love of the forest. So during this time, Anna begins 269 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: courting a man, or a man begins courting Anna, leaving 270 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: Ash alone at queen House more often. Yeah. This allows 271 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: her more time to wander into the woods and hang 272 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: with Kaisa. Kaisa offers to teach her how to ride 273 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: a horse, and they spend several afternoons riding through the forest. 274 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Kaisa provides a horse and clothing, say you can't ride 275 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: a horse and address I guess that's true, you can, 276 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: but it's difficult. Feel like, I don't ride horses, so yeah, 277 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: maybe no, I don't either. They become closer and Kaisa 278 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: dimulges some of her history and how she became the 279 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Royal Huntress, and she tells Ash her favorite fairy tale, 280 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: a story of a hundreds who fell in love and 281 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: made a deal with a fairy to make all this happen, 282 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: and the deal required her to spend time with the 283 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: fairy queens, and as time passed, the huntress instead fell 284 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: in love with the fairy queen instead of the one 285 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: that she was going after, and the fairy queen loved 286 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: her as well. Ash is more hesitant, believing in her 287 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: station effectively renders her a nobody, and it's also always 288 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: torn with thoughts of Sheen in the fairy world. She says, 289 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: perhaps one day she'll share her favorite fairy tale with Kaisa, 290 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: and it's all kind of awkward and sweet and full 291 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: of usc who Annie is having to put in here 292 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: for me because I didn't know what this was, which 293 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: means unresolved sexual tension. Thank you, find fictional world. Yes, 294 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: thank you so much, fan fiction world. You've helped me 295 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: get through this quarantine like you would not believe. Eventually, 296 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Kaisa asked if Ash would like to join her on 297 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: the King's hunt, and ashe feels like she has never 298 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: wanted anything more in her life, so she uses the 299 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: medallion to ask Sheen to make this a reality because 300 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: her stepmother would never allow it. He tells her there 301 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: will be a price, and she agrees rather quickly, in 302 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: my opinion, she agrees uh. The wish provides her with 303 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: a horse and well fitting clothes and a fairy to 304 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: take Ash's place so that they don't notice she's missing, 305 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: but the fairy does tell her that she will be 306 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: recognized by those that know her. Um the hunt commences, 307 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: a stag is called much celebration has had Kais's apprentice 308 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: Lore consistently hints that Kaisa has feelings for Ash. Kaisa 309 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: and Ash have an awkward goodbye since ashe can't explain 310 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: her haste and nerves and why she has to leave 311 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: so suddenly as the magic wears off, and then Prince 312 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: Aiden remember Prince Aiden from before for who he's essentially 313 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: the prince in this Cinderella tale, Um sends out a 314 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: letter to every eligible woman to attend a ball that 315 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: he reluctantly it's hinted is throwing in search of a wife. 316 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: Anna is set on big that wife, so of course 317 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: it culminates and Kaisa asking Ash to Prince Aidan's ball, 318 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: the Soul's Night Masquerade. She again goes to Sheen for 319 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: a wish to let her attend the ball. He reminds 320 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: her that she will have to pay, and she again agrees. 321 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: And this is after Ash asked Kaisa if she would 322 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: not want to be a princess, and Kaisa says it 323 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: depends on if it means marrying a prince the hint 324 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: um and so the day of the ball, Ash finds 325 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: a very beautiful dress and jewels laid out for her. 326 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: A carriage awaits. The driver warns her magic will wear 327 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: all at midnight Mary Cinderella esque with a mask of 328 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: her face. Ash we show the crowd before she is 329 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: asked to dance by a mysterious man. Ash agrees, and 330 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: after the man leaves her to her room and asked 331 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: her to wait, impatient, Ashley's and searches for Kaisa is 332 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: revealed that the main Ash dance with was, of course, 333 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: du Prince Aidan, and Ash is the talk of the 334 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: ball because you know she's gorgeous in this new made 335 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: up way um. Kaisa tells as she does not like 336 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: mask and that while the dress is beautiful, it doesn't 337 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: really suit her. Kaisa deduces that Ash has a debt, 338 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: but Ash refuses to tell her about it. Kaisa promises 339 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: Ash that her help comes without a price and that 340 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: it is her choice, but Ash turns her down and 341 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: is forced to leave as the belt tolls. Unfortunately, though, 342 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: she does not beat her stepmother home and she is 343 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: accused of stealing how did she get this beautiful dress 344 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: and all these jewels? And she is accosted and struck 345 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: several times times by her stepmother. Her stepsister rips the 346 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: jewels from her hair before she is locked in the cellar. 347 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: When she is released, she ventures into the wood, knowing 348 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: the time to pay up his calm, and she learns 349 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: that her mother cursed Sheen after he tried persistently to 350 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: bring her to the fairy world um and so she 351 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: cursed him with falling in love with a human girl 352 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: so that he would understand love and what it was 353 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: he was doing and why it was wrong bringing humans 354 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: into the fair world against their will. Unfortunately, he ended 355 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: up falling for her daughter. Oh no, ash Uh. He 356 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: calls it agony and sees that something has changed within Ash. 357 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: That Ash no longer wants to give up her life 358 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: for the fairy world, that her favorite fairy tale is 359 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: no longer her favorite fairy tale. She wants to live right, 360 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: and I'm afraid of her stepmother the face of possibly 361 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: never seen Kaisa again. Ash goes to the ball where 362 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: the princess to announce his chosen bride. She waves through 363 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: the crowd in her cloak and serve his dress and 364 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: ask Kaisa for a dance. Kaisa agrees and everyone is shocked. 365 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: They kiss, but then Ash admits she must leave and 366 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: that she hopes that they will see each other again not. 367 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: They want to point out that the sister Clara seems 368 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: to be actually a good character as well. I think 369 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: she used to bond at this point at the end, 370 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: they certainly do. She's the most sympathetic of the three 371 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: um And that's not saying much for a lot of 372 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: the story, but towards the end for sure. Um. So 373 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: Ash rushes off to Sheen and she tells him that 374 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: if he loves her, he will set her free. He 375 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: agrees on the condition they spend one night together. And 376 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: time is different in the fairy world, so one night 377 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: could be a long time in the fairy world, and 378 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: Samantha and I are going to return to her different 379 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: years on what this minute later. But he promises her 380 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: she will wake up the next morning in her own world. 381 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: She asked if she will die and he says only 382 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: a little. So the next morning she does wake up. 383 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: She goes to find Kaisa and tells her she is 384 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: free to love her and they kiss happily ever after 385 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: and of story into fairy tale. So that's a plot, um. 386 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: And now we're going to discuss some tropes and some 387 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: of our thoughts about it. But first we're going to 388 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: take a quick break for word from our sponsor, and 389 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: we're back, Thank you, sponsor. So one of the big 390 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: themes in this is one we've talked about a lot, 391 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: and it's one that is in a lot of children's 392 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: stories especially and fairy tales especially, and that is of 393 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: the mother stepmother, usually the mother dying and the stepmother 394 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: being evil and trying to take her place. And I 395 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: will say it's interesting in the case of this story, 396 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: you never know for sure whether the stepmother was lying 397 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: about her father's debts, right, You don't know. You never 398 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: know what she was implying in or what he had 399 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: done for her, what hadn't done for her. Um. There's 400 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: also this whole level like you obviously have a big villain. 401 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: There's nothing about her that you would want to give 402 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: sympathy to. She is very obviously the evil stepmother. Yeah, 403 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: and it's been a long time since I've seen the 404 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: Disney version of Cinderella. Um or, oh, I know she is. 405 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: I was just trying to think of comparisons. I really 406 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: loved ever after when I was in middle school, I 407 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: loved them. Look, I continued throughout the entire time I 408 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: was I was reading this comparing it to ever After, 409 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: because it was very similar because again Clara and the 410 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: other step sister, they were very sympathetic to uh Gerella 411 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: slash ash and so that was very similar to that 412 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: as well. But in Jaffa, Houston did an amazing job 413 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: in that at the very least it ever After, you 414 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: knew she loved him, like that was the one thing 415 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: that she had. She may have like had disdain for 416 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: the Cinderella character, but she loved the husband right. And 417 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: I feel like in this one, the best argument you 418 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: can make that she is sympathetic is that the whole 419 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: system they were caught up in that there's no other 420 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: way to get money or to have property or whatever 421 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: it is. So there is like this level of tension 422 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: and it's even addressed outright at one point where ashe 423 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: feels something like sympathy for Anna, even though Anna is 424 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: terrible to her, because she sees this pressure that Isabelle 425 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: is putting on her daughter to find like you have 426 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: to do this or else we're the whole family is 427 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: going to have no money and no station and what 428 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: will we do? Right, And then you do feel sympathy 429 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: with her trying to desperately defined a husband, Yeah, with 430 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: the curse or another curse with the spell, which obviously 431 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: she didn't care for, right, Yeah, that whole scene of 432 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: So we're talking about the part where Ash gave Anna 433 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: the spell, um because she noticed that Anna was taking 434 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: part in this day of fasting that is sort of 435 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: a old ways magic thing and you say the spell 436 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: an you fast and then you dream of your husband 437 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: at night. So she notices that Anna is fasting and 438 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: gives her the spell, and it kind of reminds me 439 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: of the whole thing where you're so desperate or or 440 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: I've seen this play out where people are so desperate 441 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: to lose weight and they'll try diets that they honestly 442 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: don't really believe in, but they're like, I just I'm 443 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: so desperate, I've got to do this thing. So even 444 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: though she doesn't leave in it, she's just feeling that 445 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: level of desperation. I will try this spell, even though 446 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: I think it is rustic, especially when it doesn't work 447 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like the stupidest thing ever. Yeah, 448 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: So that's that's a big trope. Another one related is 449 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: sort of this women's intuition versus men's logic, and we 450 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: see that play out with which is and and the 451 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: spells and potions that um Ash's mother took part in 452 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: um and also this whole like old world, new world 453 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: fantasy versus the real world thing. Yeah, so it is 454 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: odd reading it with our modern eyes because like the 455 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: scene where her dad is dying, you're definitely, as a 456 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: reader meant to be like, no, stick to the old 457 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: ways in which they should in this story, they should have. 458 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: He was getting better. It just didn't um look exactly 459 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: like how they thought it would, and it wasn't. It 460 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: was kind of slower than they thought, so they switched 461 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: the position and that killed him. But looking at it 462 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: through our modern eyes, you're like, no, science, that is 463 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: very reminiscent of Pants Labyrinth. Do you think about that? Oh, 464 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: it's been so long since I've seen that. You know, 465 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: when the mother is sick and she starts putting the 466 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: things underneath the bed and the fop and the husband's 467 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: like nomad, like get rid of this is what is nonsense. 468 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: But she was actually getting better and it got rid 469 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: of all that. She ended up dying. But yeah, it's 470 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: kind of that same level of old culture versus new 471 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: culture new technology. Yeah, um and you see it also 472 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: in Sleepy Hollow, Yeah, Christina Ricci and her doing the 473 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: Eye under the bed and people not understanding what she 474 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: was doing and thinking it was evil. So there there 475 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: is that. And then also, yeah, the whole thing the 476 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: book being divided into the two sections, the Fairy and 477 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: the Huntress, sort of represents Ash's decision she has to make. 478 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: Is she going to give up everything and going go 479 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: into this fantasy world with the Fairy, which is where 480 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: the first half of the book is, that is her goal, 481 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: that is what she wants, or especially as it moves 482 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: into the later part of the book, is she going 483 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: to give up on bringing her mother back on this 484 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: fairytale world and be with someone she loves in the 485 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: real world, the Huntress, right? And I think a lot 486 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: of that too is also about going through grief a 487 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: little bit, that that desperation to go back to and 488 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: wanting that person that you lost, but sometimes moving past 489 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: that and accepting what that what has happened and going 490 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: into a better version of and not for everyone, but 491 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: that this is a very like binary idea, but it 492 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: is like okay, accepting death and then moving on to love, right, Um, 493 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: And that's what she ends up doing is she chooses 494 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: the real world and life after she has squared her 495 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: debts and can enter a relationship fully and openly. And 496 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: there's one scene in the book that the jewels that 497 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: on a tour out of ashes hair, when they wake 498 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: up the next day, they they're worthless and fake. Um, 499 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: So there is that whole layer two of fantasy and 500 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: these these dreams, these daydreams that we have and what 501 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: does Dumbledore say, it does not do to dwell in 502 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: on dreams and forget to live. It's kind of that 503 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: whole thing where it's not real, it's all fake. And 504 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: and one big thing of this book, I will say 505 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: is somberness and loneliness. Um. That is a theme throughout. 506 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: So it totally makes sense that she's fantasizing about this 507 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: which she believes to be this better world where she 508 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: doesn't have an evil stepmother and two stepsisters that don't 509 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: treat her well, and she isn't totally alone and maybe 510 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: her mother is there. Like it's kind of like you said, 511 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: it's almost reminiscent of the stages of grief of bargaining. 512 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: Another trope we wanted to talk about is mask and 513 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: especially in the context of assumed heterosexuality, because I think 514 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: if I had read this book and I had not 515 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: known going in that was the lgbt Q plus story, 516 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: I would have us said, Oh, she's okay. The Prince 517 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: aidn't They're gonna end up somehow together. And I do 518 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: love that. It is a nonsensical bit of like it 519 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: could have just not even been in the story. You 520 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't have known. I love when she sees him the 521 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: first time, she's like, oh, he stopped that handsome right 522 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: like that? This is the kind of the fighting over 523 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: they said he was handsome? Are you ill that? I'm 524 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I think I had like a Seth 525 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: Rogan picture of oh, he's assumed to be handsome because 526 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: he's got a B, C and D. But in actuality 527 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: he's fine. There's nothing wrong with him, but there's nothing 528 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: great about him. He to me right? Did he reminded 529 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: me of Prince Harry? I think he was described as 530 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: having like thin red hair. I could be wrong, but 531 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: that's that's the image I got my head. Oh, I 532 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: guess I also pictured like a a little bit of 533 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: like a dad bod happening. Nothing wrong with us. I'm 534 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: just saying like, that's what I imagined as instead of 535 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: like your Chris Evans or Christmsworth, which typically is the 536 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: Prince traditional. Yeah, like what Lauren and um are coworker 537 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: and friend. Lauren she calls that Disney Prince bod Yeah yeah, 538 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: so yeah. If I hadn't known going in, even though 539 00:31:52,520 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: I do feel the romance with Kyson and Ash, it 540 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: was very clear when I knew that, I don't know 541 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: if I would have picked up on it otherwise. And 542 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: I also was thinking, like if Kis had been a guy, 543 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: it would have changed how I felt about certain scenes, 544 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: because there's one part where she shows up at her 545 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: house kind of unannounced when she's alone, and that would 546 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: have had a different vibe if it had been a dude, 547 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: at least for me. I don't think it necessarily has to, 548 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: but right I think there was also a part of 549 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: that that they make uh Kaisa a little bit masculine 550 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: in that she seems to be a player. Laura even says, 551 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: I thought you were just one more of her lovers, right, 552 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: And I feel like that was purposeful, and I wondered 553 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: why that would be that other than to play on 554 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: the fact a maybe to talk about it that in 555 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: that society that was not an abnormal thing for same 556 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: sex couple and to happen they seemed accepted. But at 557 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: the same time, be that she got around and so 558 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: you may be, let let supposed to put that little 559 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: bit of down of like whether you're special or not, 560 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: and so they need to make sure she understood how 561 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: special she was. But I was like, that's kind of like, 562 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: maybe that's an understatement to say it seems masculine esque 563 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: to put that in terms of someone who is very 564 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: powerful and or seen as powerful. Yeah, and I wonder 565 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: how much of that is um. This book came out 566 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine, which a lot has changed since then. 567 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: And in just a way of being like, nah, she 568 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: might be interested in you like you because Ash was 569 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: kind of I don't maybe oblivious isn't the right word, 570 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: but she didn't seem to be picking up on a 571 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of things right. Also, she was definitely that perfect 572 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: innocent girl who didn't know how amazing she was or 573 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: gorgeous she was. And I'm like, that is an absolute 574 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: trope in itself, where she just doesn't know how beautiful 575 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: she is and we she but she doesn't. She just 576 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: needs to wipe the ash off her face. We just 577 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: need a strainer, air and take off the glasses. It 578 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: is funny, though you don't really or maybe I missed it, 579 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: but I feel like I didn't really get that vibe 580 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: until someone outright says it, when Clara tells her towards 581 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: the like maybe like middle for that, I wasn't really sure. 582 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: Um Claria out right it's like, oh, you're so beautiful, 583 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: it's so much better an Anna. Yeah, I think that's 584 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: exactly where we were all trying to figure out, Like, 585 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: and that says a lot about myself. And it's although 586 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: like how good looking is she? Could she get away 587 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: with this in real life? You know? It could all 588 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: talk about able is m and the fact that she 589 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: is able to be perfectly quote unquote normal in that aspect. Yeah. 590 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: And one of the scenes, the scene where kaisis says 591 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: like I don't like masks. The dress looks good, but 592 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: doesn't suit you. A lot of people have interpreted that 593 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: as so to a critiques not the right word, but 594 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: like pointing to l G B t Q plus people 595 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: having to wear this mask to hide their true selves. 596 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: And so at the end when Kaisa, I'm assuming kind 597 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: of dramatically shows up at the ball without a mask, 598 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: and it's like you Kaysa were dancing together and they kiss. 599 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: It's sort of her finally taking it off and being herself. 600 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: I mean, she does seem to have the struggle of 601 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: like Shane is as clared, declared as mel and then 602 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: put Satan, like she has these choices, her preferences or 603 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: her her sexuality leans towards Kaisa instead. Yes, that's who 604 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: she loves um And speaking of love, that is another 605 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: big trope in this whole thing. So there's the trope 606 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: of marrying rich and classism, which throughout Ash feels like 607 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: she is not worthy of Kaison because she is a 608 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: servant um she So there is this layer of like 609 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: I am not in your class, so we cannot be together. 610 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: And there there's a whole scene where Ash tells Clara, 611 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to marry for riches. You 612 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: can marry for love, and that's sort of the beginning 613 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: of their tentative truth, even though Clara totally rejects her 614 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: when she says it the first time because she's like, 615 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: you don't understand what it's like, Like there's so much 616 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: pressure to do this and if I don't, then how 617 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: will I live? Um? So there's that. And as we 618 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 1: talked about Ash having this pity around the pressure placed 619 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: on Anna by her mother to marry someone of high status, Um, 620 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: there's Gwynn who seemingly does not understand that Ash doesn't 621 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: want to be with someone, particularly a man. Um, that 622 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: it's not her whole thing, that it's not her end all, 623 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: be all right. I think Gwynn's character is definitely the 624 00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: giggly schoolgirl. Sure, yeah, she's I I loved Gwynn. She's 625 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: like every time you see her, she has a different 626 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: like dude, she's after right, I mean, that's exactly the point. 627 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: I think she was the comic relief in it all. 628 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: I did want to talk about the fact that I 629 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: found it interesting when she in comparison to the hunting 630 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: outfit that the fairies gave her versus the dress that 631 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: the Fairies gave her, and her feeling, and also being 632 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: the fact the boots we're supposed to be her slippers 633 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: even though she never lost her slippers, but that it 634 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: fits to her feet so perfectly, right, um, And I 635 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: find that she was more comfortable, which could be a 636 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: hit or miss um. In conversations when it comes to 637 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: the l GRE d Q expectations um of dressing in general. 638 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: But I found that an interesting commentary. Yeah, because the 639 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: Woods was such a big part of who she was 640 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: and what she loved. UM. But okay, we would be 641 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: remiss if we did not talk about what we said 642 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: we would, which is verse. Samantha and I had a 643 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: very different interpretation, and it's really telling of our personalities. 644 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: Right now, what happened when she agreed to spend the 645 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: night with Sheen, Right, I think, I think this is 646 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: a good time for an ad break and then we 647 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: come back in because I think it's it's a minute 648 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: of a conversation, all right, So we'll take one more 649 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll be back. We're back, Thank you, sponsor. 650 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: All right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and 651 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: jump in because I found it very interesting and very 652 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: telling for both of us. Because we also had our 653 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: producer Andrew as a part of this conversation towards the 654 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: end before we started recording this portion that there's a 655 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: conversation of the fact that she has to prove to 656 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: him what love is and what love really means, and 657 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: that according to the mother's book. The way to break 658 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: this deal, to break this curse, I guess so slash 659 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: deal conversation is to show him seen what love truly is, 660 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: and love being sacrificing or giving up that person if 661 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: they don't love you, essentially, And but that still promised 662 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: a night, and we did talk about the fact that 663 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: the very world a night might be longer than a night, 664 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: but in essence, like he grabs her hands and they 665 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: talk about what this looks like and if she's going 666 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: to die a little bit, all of these things. So 667 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: for me as a very uh almost say it, it's 668 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: very heteronormative relationship. But at the same time, you know, 669 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: and I do enjoy. We talked about sex and what 670 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: we enjoy, what we do and enjoy. But I'm like, yeah, 671 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: obviously part of the giving of the love was her 672 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: giving up her virgidity and having sex with the dude 673 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: um as to show, yeah, this is love, this is 674 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: us together, this is giving to each other, whatever whatnot. 675 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: And that was my explanation of what he expected from 676 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: love and Annie that never even occurred to me, not 677 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,439 Speaker 1: what I never thought they had sex. I just thought 678 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: they spent some weird time in fairy world, and I 679 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: was shocked that this was I love. So my interpretation 680 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: of her in tepretation was what this is like a 681 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties Leave It to Beaver type of episode where 682 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: they sleep in single beds next to each other and 683 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: just call each other mom and papa for a little 684 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: bit and move on in life and and a fairy tale. 685 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: You know that we should come back and talk about 686 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: this more in depth because I have been thinking about 687 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: this a lot. I had a really enlightening conversation with 688 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: my friend about essentially what is love? Um and I 689 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: guess to be exactly had a day was there before anybody? 690 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: But essentially I think I guess I assumed to me 691 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: love is respect and consent, and so I assume like 692 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: if he truly loved her and she doesn't want to 693 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: do that, then they didn't do it. And maybe that's 694 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 1: really naive and oblivious of me, but that was my thought, 695 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: like maybe she did, and I saw from her point 696 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: of view that this is the sacrifice she was willing 697 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: to give to be released from his contract, which is 698 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: a very different tale in itself that see you and 699 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: I assume when she asked him is gonna am I 700 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: gonna die? And he said just a little. I assume 701 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: that was part of like because it is it's a 702 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: morning of a loss of something of yourself, which is 703 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: a whole deeper perception, and not everyone has those experiences, 704 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: and that takes it down to a really dark road. 705 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: But the level of sacrifice two thousand nine, Melinda Lowe, 706 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: I can't tell you what she was thinking, but in 707 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: that mind of set of what are you willing to 708 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and get through it in order to sacrit 709 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: to get back to your own and what does that 710 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: look like? And we've had this conversation of many women somehow, 711 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm taking it back to here who have always been 712 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: to that portion of it was easier just to get 713 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: it over with than to fight it. And that's kind 714 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: of the same culmination of what I saw her say 715 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: it might as well get this done with. I'll sacrifice 716 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 1: this a bit of myself to get to the happiness 717 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: that I need to get to. Yeah, And I totally 718 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: understand and see that point, and probably that is what 719 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the truth. I mean, I 720 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: like your version better where they just hang out and 721 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: watch some Netflix and they eat some popcorn and then 722 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: call it a night and go to their separate bedrooms 723 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: and de story well, And I want to come back 724 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: and talk about this so badly because I feel like 725 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: this is something I've been struggling with. I know for 726 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: a lot of people, love is sex is a part 727 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: of that, but for someone like me, it's not. And 728 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: so it's caused a lot of anxiety and just like 729 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: concern um in my own relationships. Uh, because it literally 730 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: didn't even occur to me, And I think that says 731 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot. And I'm really sad that we didn't have 732 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: that on record, men, you recording this conversation that you 733 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: and I had, because it was such a big what 734 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: what moment that it was like, Yeah, it really was, 735 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, Wow, I think maybe I am just 736 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: very not I'm just very omblivious. I want to live 737 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: in your world. I don't know, I don't know. We 738 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: should definitely come back and talk about it, though, because 739 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: I have it has been on my mind a lot lately. Um, 740 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: because I had a friend she was talking about. I 741 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: don't want to go into the whole conversation, but basically 742 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: it boiled down to I I couldn't believe that if 743 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 1: someone wanted to have sex with me that they thought 744 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: I had any their value, like that is all they want, 745 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: so for me, like, I think there's some kind of 746 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: disconnect between sex and love and it's all messed up. 747 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: Um So I think that could be said for everyone else. 748 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: But the level of trauma and or just level preference 749 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: in itself can make it very disjointed in the conversation 750 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 1: in itself for sure. Um So that is a conversation 751 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: we shall return to. Yes, uh, And I think like 752 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,959 Speaker 1: we both agreed. Uh. Overall, the book was really good, 753 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: but I know a listener wrote in and said it's 754 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: kind of anticlimactic. It does feel like it's like it 755 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,919 Speaker 1: leads up to it and then it just ends, which 756 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: I know fairy tales are like that, like that's the 757 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: whole thing is it's happily ever after and you just 758 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: assume how their life plays out. But yeah, overall, I 759 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. And I'm not really big into romance, but 760 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:56,360 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I get together please, yeah again, 761 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: just like we were talking about. A previous listener said 762 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: it was a really easy read, and it was. It 763 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 1: was a really easy read. It's like maybe a two 764 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: hour read. Nice little moment of huh, yeah, what would 765 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: happen if fairies exist? Yeah? I really enjoyed it. So 766 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: those are thoughts on ash by Glinda Low And now 767 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 1: we need your thoughts on what our next book should 768 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: be so we can get to reading. Um, please please 769 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: please send in your suggestions, any movie suggestions to for 770 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: our next feminist movie Friday, and any streaming and entertainment 771 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: recommendations which, um, I actually logged into Netflix for the 772 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: first time and several I don't know how long really, 773 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: and I was shocked at auto play. I do not approve. 774 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: I hear you can turn it off. You can, but 775 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: it's not my accountant, so I'll check with the owner 776 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: of the account about that. Well, all of Supernatural is 777 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: on there, any so if you want to stop from 778 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 1: one all the way through, it's all the way there. Um, 779 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: don't tell me about the final season because I haven't 780 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: seen it. Well, the newest episode came out this Monday, 781 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: and they said they don't know when they're going to 782 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 1: come back, so yeah, you might have to wait out 783 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 1: at all. Oh no, well maybe they'll add it to Netflix. 784 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, so tell us just the streaming recommendations because 785 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: I've watched the same four shows repeatedly because I'm still 786 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: in the realms of leading the social work world, so 787 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't like anything too realistic or too traumatic. Don't 788 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: give me those, um but we need good suggestions, y'all. Obviously, 789 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: I've already talked about doing a Netflix party when we 790 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: get to watch a couple of things. Maybe we could 791 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: do it as a whole was spenty because we don't know. 792 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if too many people would be interested, 793 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: but if you all are interested, maybe we could have 794 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,800 Speaker 1: one giant Netflix party. Oh yeah, with our spenty listeners 795 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: where we get to just chat because I know you 796 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: all are looking for content, something different, and please let 797 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: us know what you want because we are just as 798 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: confused we are, and we'll definitely um do you a 799 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: round up of suggestions people send in and we'll add 800 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: our own suggestions in case you are looking for some 801 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,879 Speaker 1: streaming recommendations are other entertainment recommendations, so if you would 802 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,800 Speaker 1: like to email us those recommendations, you can. 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