1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Nori, and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: I'll sit back, please and enjoy Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: You get ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird. 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: This is Strange Things with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua 9 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: pe Warren, and each week on this show, I'll be 10 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, and 11 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot more. 12 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: And on this edition of the show, I'm going to 13 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: tell you the complete story of one of the weirdest 14 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: experiences of my life. And it happened while investigating Roswell, 15 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: New Mexico. To be honest with you, for many years, 16 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: I have been banned from officially talking about this. But 17 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: it's been fifteen years ago now and I'm ready to 18 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: tell you almost everything. It's a long story, so I'll 19 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: jump right in and do the best I can. Over 20 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: the years, I have been on many television shows on 21 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: many different channels and networks, And in two thousand five, 22 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: I was on my way from North Carolina, where I 23 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: lived at the time, to the Los Angeles area to 24 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: be talent on a show called Possessed Possessions, which was 25 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: actually a two hour Halloween special that would air on UM. 26 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: It was gonna air, you know, later that year on 27 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: t l C, the Learning Channel, which I believe at 28 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: that time was owned by Discovery. You know, these these companies, 29 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: they're always playing monopoly with their networks. And anyway, that show, 30 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: it was hosted by James Van Prague. Possessed by Possessed 31 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Possessions was kind of like an antiques roadshow for haunted 32 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: and cursed items, and so we had people bringing in 33 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: all this spooky stuff from around the country and really 34 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: the world for that matter, and I analyzed things technically 35 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: using gadgets and gizmos, and then um we had a 36 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: couple of psychics that I met for the first time, 37 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: Karen Reese and Laura Lee, who would come in and 38 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: they would bring their expertise and it was actually a 39 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: really cool show. Well, when I was preparing to go 40 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: to l A to do that, I received a call 41 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: from a ducer and director, a very significant figure in 42 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: the TV business named Jim Castle, who owned Castle Digital 43 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: and Jim Castle was familiar with me for a number 44 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: of reasons, but especially listening to me be interviewed on 45 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast A m and Jim he's the winner 46 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: of numerous Emmy's. Uh. He was born in l A, 47 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: has worked in the TV business his entire life, even 48 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: been an instructor or a professor in film schools that 49 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and has many claims to fame. One 50 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: of them is he is very talented artist and he 51 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: actually was the guy who sat down and with his 52 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: own hand drew the now famous logo for the TV 53 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: show Cheers. But also he worked on the X Files, 54 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: and that is what really poised him for were the 55 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: position he was in calling me to let me know 56 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: that he had a TV series pilot that had been 57 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: greenlit by Discovery Channel. Now, of course that means it's 58 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: been approved and they're ready to shoot it, and he's 59 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: ready to cast the thing. And he said it was 60 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: going to be called x ops X, meaning like the Unknown, 61 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: just like in X Files, and then OPS being operations, 62 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: and it was basically like a team concept. This is 63 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: the most common thing that has pitched at me all 64 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: the time and the TV business, the team investigator concept. 65 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna put the Scooby Doo gang together and send 66 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: him out and investigate something. And most of the time 67 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: these days, I don't even I don't even consider offers 68 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: like that because it's just, you know, it's I've done that. 69 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested in more creative things than But anyway, 70 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: at that time, he had a very interesting prospect. For 71 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: one thing, I could tell that Jim was a very 72 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: very intelligent guy who was truly just absolutely absorbed with 73 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: all of this paranormal content. He really, you know, knew 74 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: what he was talking about, and he loved this stuff. 75 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: So I, um, I made arrangements to meet with him 76 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: while I was in l A. So that was great 77 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: that I got to meet him in person. He picked 78 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: me up with another producer. They took me out to 79 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: a wonderful dinner. And mind you, Discovery Channel fifteen years 80 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: ago is um, I believe it's a whole different operation 81 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: than it is now. And so I haven't kept up 82 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: again with how everything has changed around and switched hands 83 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: and all that. But you know, I have been on 84 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: Discovery Channel many times over the years. In fact, I 85 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: was just on Discovery Channel, uh and on a show 86 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: called Rob Riggle Global Investigator. Great show. Had a lot 87 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: of fun shooting that. Um, but at fifteen years ago, 88 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that it was the same company so 89 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: to speak. You know, on paper, I'm sure it's the 90 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: same company, but totally different people. And you know, a 91 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: lot of changes in fifteen years. So anyway, Um, he 92 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: started telling me about his concept to do a show 93 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: in Roswell, New Mexico. And as soon as I heard that, 94 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: I kind of cringe because I thought, oh boy, we're 95 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: gonna beat that dead horse again, you know. And he goes, oh, 96 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: but listen, because this is a brand new angle on Roswell. 97 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: He said, there is a hospital in Roswell which is 98 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: on the property of the old Army Airfield Roswell Hospital, 99 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: the one that was there back in you know, when 100 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: the crash occurred. And at this new building on the 101 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: same property, he has a doctor, a real m d 102 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: and numerous nurses who are willing to go on camera 103 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: and swear that the hospital is haunted by the ghosts 104 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: of the aliens. Because the story goes that when the 105 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: audies were collected and they were taken to Hanger eighty four, 106 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: that the first place they went after that was to 107 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: basically this hospital where some kind of a preliminary exam 108 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: or autopsy was done. And so now this is getting 109 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: interesting because we're not just talking about an alien story 110 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: or a ghost story. It's both. It's ghost of aliens. 111 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: This okay, this is sounding promising. And he said that 112 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: in fact, this case was brought to him by the 113 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: great Jim Mars. This is how I met Jim Mars, 114 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: and Jim Mars would later become a really good friend 115 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, sadly, he passed away in two 116 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen after an illness. He was seventy three 117 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: years old. And this is one of the reasons I 118 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 1: think it's important to tell you this story, uh while 119 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: I can, because you may want to to go and 120 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: try to, you know, verify or validate some of the 121 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: things that I'm telling you, and I want you to 122 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: have this information. And so if you're that type of person, 123 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you all the people to contact if 124 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: you want to know, uh that I'm telling you the 125 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: truth in this and this podcast. So I became intrigued 126 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: with this, and basically he wanted to put together a 127 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: group of seven team members. I would be as usual 128 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: like the tech no, the tech gizmo guy, you know, 129 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: and which is fine with me. You know, give me 130 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: a meter and uh you know, you know. I used 131 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: to say, I I wish I were psychic. I wouldn't 132 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: have to carry all these damn meters around all the time. 133 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: But it actually also alleviates a lot of stress when 134 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: you can look at readings and be like, I'm either 135 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: getting this reading or I'm not, you know so. But anyway, 136 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: So for the team of seven people on x offs, 137 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: I introduced him to the two psychics that I happened 138 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: to be working with on Possessed Possessions, Karen Reese and Laurley. 139 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: He loved them both and hired them right on the 140 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: spot more or less, and by the way, they are 141 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: the most amazing psychics I've ever met. At some point 142 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: I will have each of them on this podcast and 143 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: we will explore their ability. But people ask me sometimes, 144 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: are there real psychics? Well, most of them are not, 145 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: but these two are so anyway, So there you go. 146 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: There's myself, those two. That's three people. We of course 147 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: needed an imaging specialist, and so I immediately called Brian Irish, 148 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: who was the imaging specialist for my Lemur Paranormal Investigation team. 149 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: Uh that was an obvious one. He was a shoe 150 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: in and uh so eventually, let's see Jim ended up 151 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: casting Nick Redfern. Uh he's a wonderful author on UFOs, cryptos, 152 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff. Nick ended up becoming a 153 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: really good friend because of this show as well. Reuben 154 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: your Arte and Ruben is Um he is an expert 155 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: on uh UFOs, a spe actually a lot of sort 156 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: of Southwestern UFO activity. And then Richard Alanis and Richard 157 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: gave us that Native American shaman background that was really fascinating. 158 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: And then Heidi Hollis. Uh so they're actually eight of us. 159 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis, she is one of the most fascinating people 160 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: you'll ever meet or here of um. She has had 161 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: a lot of face to face personal encounters with beings 162 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: that are not of this dimension or this planet, called 163 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: them whatever you will. So yeah, so that's eight people 164 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: see me, Brian Irish, Laurley Karen Reese, Nick Redfern, Reuben 165 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: your Arte, Richard Alaniz and Heidi Hollis, and then Jim 166 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: Mars was kind of like the Charlie and Charlie's Angels, right, 167 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: So he would get us together on the set and say, guys, 168 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: I have a mission, and give us all of the 169 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: information and then to designate what everybody's gonna do, and 170 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: then put us on our private lear Jet, which, by 171 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: the way, the production had a lot of money, and 172 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: they even rented our own private lear Jet from John 173 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: Travolta seriously, and we then would fly off into whatever 174 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: whirlwind of activity fantasmagoria unearthly encounters that they wanted us 175 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: to explore for that particular show. Sounds fun, right, sounds 176 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: like we might go out there and actually get to 177 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: the truth of some matters. But what happens when you 178 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: actually achieve your goal and you find some truth when 179 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: maybe you're not supposed to. I'm going to tell you 180 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: what happened when we got to Roswell and maybe discovered 181 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: some things, saw some things we weren't supposed to see. 182 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: I think you'll find it quite enlightening. If you love 183 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: amazing pictures, videos and breaking content, be sure to sign 184 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: up for my free e newsletter at Joshua P. Warren 185 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: dot com. 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I am 212 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: your host, the Wizard of Weird, beaming into your wormhole 213 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: brain from my studio and since city, Las Vegas, Nevada, 214 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is silver. 215 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: On a cold November morning two thousand five, Brian Irish 216 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: and I boarded airplanes in North Carolina and we arrived 217 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: at l a X and drivers picked us up and 218 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: took us to San Bernardino, California, where we met the 219 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: rest of the ex Ops crew and we all just 220 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: hit it off immediately. It just felt like we were 221 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: with old friends, like a big family. Everything was great. 222 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: Like I I say, it was the beginning of many 223 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: wonderful friendships that I maintained to this day. And you 224 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: know they put us up in a great nice hotel there, 225 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: and they had reserved the Norton Air Force Bay as 226 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: our set. I'm telling you, Like I said, they had 227 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: some money that you know that we're talking about a 228 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: real air Force base that was active up until nine 229 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: That was our headquarters for this. And they had a 230 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: helicopter that would fly around and get shots of us. 231 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: And this is before drones were around. And it was 232 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: a little scary because they had this kind of a 233 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: small helicopter and if you moved, uh unexpectedly when it 234 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: was flying around you, it would cut your head off. 235 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: You know, them's were the old days. That's how I 236 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: used to make TV kids. So anyway, um, they gave 237 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: us all kinds of swag like you wouldn't believe. I'm 238 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: talking nice, big, like heavy cortex coats that had x 239 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: OPS and Discovery Channel the Discovery Channel logo embroidered on them, 240 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: and caps and boonies and watches. They gave us a watch, 241 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: and this watch cost hundreds of dollars. It was a 242 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: special Ops watch, I mean, like that had the ex 243 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: Ops logo on. It's still one of my most prized 244 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: possessions actually, And I mean this was just a top 245 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: notch five star production, right, So within a couple of 246 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: days we all, you know, we were ready to go 247 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: off as a team and really pursue this great mystery 248 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: and get to the bottom of what was happening in Roswell. 249 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: So they put us on the jet with all with 250 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: the leather interior and the nice, big, fully stocked bar, 251 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: and I mean it was flying and luxury when we 252 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: got to Roswell. The one thing I will tell you, 253 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: I've only been to Roswell this once, fifteen years ago, 254 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: and I don't know how much things may or may 255 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: not have changed. But what I can't tell you is that, 256 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: at least in two thousand five, there is no reason 257 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: to go through that area unless you have an interest 258 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: in the Roswell alien story. There's just nothing else around there. 259 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: From the moment we got there, we knew we were 260 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: being monitored. Okay, I could tell you stories and worries 261 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: and stories about this, but these shady characters, to say 262 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: the least, were immediately following us wherever we went around town, 263 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: even just you know, stupid stuff going to restaurants or whatever. 264 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: There were a number of occasions when it was clear 265 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: that we were being recorded when we didn't know about it. 266 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: For example, at one point I was talking privately to 267 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: Brian Irish and uh, somewhere out like a hull lobby somewhere, 268 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: and there was nobody else around, and he said something 269 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: to me like, I wonder if you're gonna have bloody 270 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: Mary mix on the on the plane, and I said, 271 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, and then like I know, five minutes later, 272 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: somebody from the crew was coming through and giving us 273 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: notes on stuff, and then they turned to Brian and 274 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: go and they said, oh yeah, and there's gonna be 275 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: a bloody Mary mix on the plane. And Brian and 276 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: I look at each other, like, how the heck did 277 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: they know? We just had that conversation, right, so listen, 278 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: I won't go down that wormhole. One of the first 279 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: things that we did, however, the rabbit hole, I you 280 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: could say, but I like to call it a wormhole. Uh. 281 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: We went to the Roswell Army air Field Hospital property 282 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: and we did our investigation there, and sure enough, we 283 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: had a medical doctor and nurses. This is near to 284 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: the real deal that worked there at that time, and 285 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: they sat right down there. I mean, these were active 286 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: employees in two thousand five and they told us they 287 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: were seeing the ghosts of these aliens that had apparently 288 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: been taken there after the Roswell crash. There were animations 289 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: that were made, you know, c g I kind of 290 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: stuff for the TV show. I did investigation there all night, 291 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: got all kinds of bizarre readings. UM. So we were 292 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: off to a pretty good start, and then the day came, 293 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: I think it was like day number three when we 294 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: were actually going to go out to the site where 295 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: the Roswell crash had had occurred. And once you have 296 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: to understand is there are a lot of people trying 297 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: to make a nickel bye telling you like, oh, oh yeah, 298 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: this is the site where the crash was, and it's 299 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: like a tourist trap thing. But no, we we actually 300 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: did real research and we got to the bottom of 301 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: the place where there was a debris field. Because when 302 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: this thing crashed, it didn't just crash at one spot. 303 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: Its skidded over miles and there were various deposits of crash. 304 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: So we went to the center of that. We had 305 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: these UM SUVs that had Discovery Channel emblazoned on the sides, 306 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: and so we all piled into these SUVs and we're 307 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: heading out to drive to the crash site. And finally 308 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: all of this weirdness of all these people like around 309 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: town that are always kind of like spying on us 310 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: kind of came to a head because as soon as 311 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: we pulled out of the hotel heading to the crash site, 312 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: blue lights everywhere, and they pulled our entire caravan over 313 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: and the Roswell police detained our entire group there without 314 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: any explanation for a good thirty minutes. I never was 315 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: given an explanation for why they held us back. But 316 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: when we were finally allowed to go, we drove out 317 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: into the desert and we hyped for a long way, 318 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: and then you know, we were on federal property. Of course, 319 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: there was like a white suv in the distance watching 320 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: us through a telescope very similar to what you've seen 321 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: it at Area fifty one. We didn't really find anything 322 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: too amazing out there, to be honest, in the desert, 323 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you can imagine that's been pretty picked pretty clean. 324 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: But we were doing a good job, you know, Like 325 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: we had been able to investigate the Roswell Museum there 326 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: all night and use thermal cameras, and we got some 327 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: weird stuff and like everybody was doing a good job 328 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: and getting weird stuff. Well, here is what here's what 329 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: makes this story really special. Okay, as we were getting 330 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: towards the end of our shooting days because we were 331 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: there for about a week, I guess on this extremely windy, 332 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: cold night, we went to Hangar eighty four, which is 333 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: just a gigantic, drafty, noise, easy, creepy hanger that is 334 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: just out there in the desert, and and that is 335 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: where the bodies were supposedly first brought to before they 336 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: then went to the hospital for their preliminary exam. And 337 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: so Jim Castle thought it would be cool to do 338 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: a seance in Hangar eighty four to see if we 339 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: could somehow commune with the spirits of the aliens. Fine, 340 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: sounds like a good idea to me too. So he 341 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: set up this big, round wooden table and it had 342 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: candles all over it, and the whole cast set around 343 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: in a circle, and of course the psychics were gonna 344 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: lead all this, and I was just there with all 345 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: of my gadgets and gizmos, and I was just going 346 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: to sort of roam around the table to some extent, 347 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: taking measurements of the energy environment in the room while 348 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: this was happening. So it was all dark and spooky, 349 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: and you know, like you say, you hear like these 350 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: ed old panels banging when the wind blows, and it 351 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: was just a very creepy experience. So the lights were 352 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: pretty much turned down except for all these candles, and 353 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: the seance seemed to be going pretty well. And I 354 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: started picking up this slowly elevating electromagnetic field and it 355 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: was getting just like really really spooky, and everybody started 356 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: getting the goose bumps. And they had about five dudes, 357 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: big tough guys, surrounding this table um videotaping it from 358 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: different angles. And you may not realize that being a cameraman, 359 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: a professional cameraman, is a very very tough job. Camera 360 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: equipment is really heavy and clunky, and those guys worked 361 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: their butts off, and they had these really expensive cameras 362 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: at that time. Each one of their cameras were twenty 363 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: dollar cameras. They were high def cameras. And there was 364 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: this one guy and his name was Bob, and he 365 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: was one of the chief camera guys. And as we 366 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: were filming, Bob, who had just been you know, just 367 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: like the bulldog cameraman throughout this whole experience, just super tough, strong, 368 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: durable dude. You know. Bob, he starts sort of like 369 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: it took us a second to notice it, but he 370 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: started kind of wavering a little bit, and then all 371 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: of a sudden, in the right in the middle of 372 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: this shoot, Bob just passes out, man, and he just 373 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: hits the floor, and that this twenty five dollar camera 374 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: goes bang and there is a gasp in the room, 375 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: of course, and so immediately, you know, we cut and 376 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: everybody goes rushing over to Bob. Are you okay? And 377 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: Bob looks like he's kind of out of it. They're 378 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: about to call on one and then Bob goes, no, 379 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: I think I think maybe I locked my knees or something. 380 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: Let me just go get some fresh air. So we 381 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: took him outside. He got some fresh air, and after 382 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: like ten minutes he said, Okay, I think I'm fine. 383 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but I'm need to go again. Okay. 384 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: So we went back in to continue, and so Jim 385 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: Castle starts resetting everything and he had a monitor of 386 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: there so that he could sort of look back and 387 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: figure out where we were and sort of where we 388 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: needed to pick this up from and how we needed 389 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: to pick this up right. And so Jim rolls back 390 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: the monitor and I heard him say, what the blank? Okay, 391 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: I can't say that word here, but you know the word, 392 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: what the And I go over and I said, what 393 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: is I was the first one standing right there, and 394 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: I said, what is it? Jim? He goes rewind that. 395 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: He wound it back once again. He goes, what the 396 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: And now I'm going, what the I don't know what 397 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm seeing either, all of a sudden, like everybody is 398 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: crowded around us. What is it? What is it? What 399 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: is it? He is rewinding the footage back to the 400 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: point just before Bob passed out and hit the floor, 401 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: and playing it over and over and over. And what 402 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: we see is one of the strangest things that I've 403 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. Okay, I don't I still 404 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: cannot tell you with certainty what category this goes into. 405 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if you would call this ghostly or 406 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: or alien, or antwdimensional or or or something else. All right, 407 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. When we come back from this break, though, 408 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what we saw on this 409 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: computer monitor. You know, it was it was. Actually, it's 410 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: just that you know, it's a video monitor, is what 411 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: it was. I'm gonna tell you what we saw in 412 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: this video monitor that we captured just before Bob hit 413 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: the ground, and then what happened next. 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Welcome back to 433 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. 434 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: I am Paranormal Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, 435 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: And this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. 436 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: Here we are staring at this monitor in awe and silence. 437 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: Really once we started zoning in focusing on this. Here 438 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: you see our table, all of us sitting around it 439 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: conducting the seance. The candles are burning, and then all 440 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, something appears over our heads that I 441 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: can only describe to you as a huge glowing spectral 442 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: serpent or serpent like form. The slithers through the air 443 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: over our heads, straight over toward guess who Bob and 444 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: then pal Bob hits the floor. Now, we did not 445 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: see the big glowing spectral snake or serpent or whatever 446 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: this thing was with our naked eyes. For one thing, 447 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: we weren't even looking up. We were all just sort 448 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: of focused on really each other and what was happening 449 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: at the table. So it's not a surprise that we 450 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't have seen it. But this is something that only 451 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: showed up on camera. And when I tell you, a 452 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: big glowing serpent like thing appeared and slithered over our head. 453 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: But I don't know how else to describe, Like, I 454 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: don't know if this is a ghost or an alien 455 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: or spiritual being. I mean, I'm gonna I will get 456 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: back to more of a recap of what I think 457 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: this may be telling us in a minute, okay, But 458 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: the effect of seeing this alone was absolutely shocking. But 459 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: the fact that it was it went over towards Bob 460 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: and did something to Bob. That is the context. You know. 461 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: Here we are in Roswell and Hangarady four where the 462 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: alien bodies were brought having a seance. Who's ever done 463 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: that before? And capture with the professional crew, this big 464 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: thing flying over their head, our head over to the 465 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: cameraman boom knocket into the floor. Like none of us 466 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: even knew that was there. How is that possible? When 467 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: we when it's sunk in with us what we had, 468 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, our shock and confusion turned into 469 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: elation and we started high fiving each other, saying we 470 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: don't know what we got here, but this is some 471 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: kind of jackpot. This is good TV, man. We have 472 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: reached the climax of the show. You know, we captured 473 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: something here that's going to add a whole new chapter 474 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: to the lore of Roswell. I mean, that's no small thing. 475 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: A place that has been so exhaustively researched, and we've 476 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: captured something that's completely bizarre and out of left field, 477 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: that's done legitimately captured from numerous camera angles, etcetera, etcetera. 478 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: That is, you know, that makes this kind of an impact. 479 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: We were we were just we were celebrating. We felt 480 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: we had accomplished enough to make this show a hit. 481 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: And in fact, after that and by the way, Bob 482 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: was fine, and the long run, we flew back to 483 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: Saberdardino to do kind of our wrap up in the 484 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: hangar there at Norton, And this whole time we actually 485 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: had with us supervising this big, elaborate, expensive production, two 486 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: of the executive producers from the network from Discovery. They 487 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: were along the whole time and watching everything, and they 488 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: were so excited that they were literally telling me face 489 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: to face and all the other members of the cast, 490 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: like you better go ahead and start looking for apartments 491 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, because you're probably gonna be doing this 492 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: show for a long, long, long time. And so basically 493 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: when we all parted ways, it was it was actually sad, 494 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: but at the same time we were like, we're gonna 495 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: be seeing each other get very very soon. And Jim 496 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: Castle said, now I just have to get the rough 497 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: cut put together, and then you know, once they see 498 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: the final rough cut, we're good to go. I'm sure 499 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: they'll love it. How could they not. Everybody is excited 500 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: about this, and Jim even said it's okay to go 501 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: ahead and start promoting it, go ahead and start talking 502 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: it up. So we all went our separate ways, and 503 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: sure enough, we all started talking it up, and and 504 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: you have you know, you're talking eight nine people here, 505 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: including Jim Mars, going all over the media telling everybody, 506 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: get ready, to get ready, get ready. We got something 507 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: big and weird and interesting on this new show called 508 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: x Ops on the Discovery Channel. And we wait and 509 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: we wait and we wait. Crickets, crickets, crickets, crickets, what's happening? 510 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: Week weeks go by, I don't know, maybe six weeks. 511 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: One day I got a call from Jim Castle, and 512 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: Jim said, Josh, something very strange is going on here. 513 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: I said, oh, yeah, what's that? He said, well, it 514 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: began with these two producers that I there, the ones 515 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: who were with us from Discovery, and I know their names, 516 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: and I remember their names, but I'm not gonna say 517 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: their names on this podcast. He said. I started calling them. 518 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: We used to talk on almost a daily basis. He says, 519 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: I call him and I nobody answers. It just rings 520 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: and rings and rings and rings and rings, no voicemail, 521 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: no nothing. He said, you know one of them I called. 522 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: Finally in a man answered and I said, oh, thank goodness, 523 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: this is this is Jim Castle. I'm trying to get 524 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: in touch with blah blah blah, click, hangs up. Jim 525 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: calls the network. Uh, this person is out to lunch. 526 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: This person out to lunch. Everybody associated with this whole 527 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: project is just sort of gone. They've just vanished. And 528 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: finally Jim gets in touch with one of the big wigs, 529 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: one of the top people there, and the guy said 530 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: to Jim, this is never going to see the light 531 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: of day. And Jim goes why, and he says, it's 532 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: just it's not going to be released. It's not going 533 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: to be released, and that was the end of it. 534 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: Who we got this phenomenal footage and they put this 535 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: elaborate thing together and we were told to start promoting it, etcetera. 536 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: And now everybody's gone. To this day, fifteen years later, 537 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: I have never heard a peep from those two producers 538 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 1: of Discovery, and nobody knows what happened here. Jim Castle 539 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: told me, said, this is amazing, Josh. Because I've been 540 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: in TV my whole life, I can says I've worked 541 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: on hundreds of shows. I've never ever seen anything like 542 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: this before. So here we were promoting this thing all 543 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: this time, and Jim Marris, who was one of the 544 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: most outspoken people people ever, he said, well, we gotta 545 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: let people know what's going on here. It's gonna make 546 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: us look like a bunch of oaths. So Jim gets 547 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: on coast to coast a m and he says, screw 548 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: this contract and whatever, you know, confidentiality, and he starts 549 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: telling everybody what happened. And so after that, all the 550 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: rest of the cast starts talking about what happened, and 551 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: suddenly the Discovery Channel is getting overwhelmed, overwhelmed with phone 552 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: calls from people saying, we want to see x Ops. 553 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: Just put it on once, just to put it on 554 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: at two o'clock in the morning, even if it sucks 555 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: for some reason, let us decide. And by the way, 556 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: it doesn't suck. But I'll get back to that in 557 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: a minute. I actually called the Discovery channel and I 558 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: got the operator and I didn't tell the operator who 559 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: I was, and I said, yeah, I'm interested in the 560 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: x OPS show and when that's going to be released. 561 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: And the operator was fortunately a nice lady who was talkative. 562 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,720 Speaker 1: She says, we've been getting so many calls from people 563 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: wanting us to air that that we have changed our 564 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: phone numbers. It's in the vault. It's in the vault 565 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: at Discovery, my friends. To this day, it has never 566 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: been aired. And I had of no more information for you. 567 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: But you know what, I have the footage. I have 568 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: the footage of this thing slithering over our heads. Why 569 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: did they can this, I don't know, but but listen 570 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: to this. Just think about this. The headquarters for Discovery 571 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: was in Silver Spring, Maryland, a stone's throw from the 572 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: n s A, the National Security Agency. We're talking less 573 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: than the thirty minute drive and many other secretive government buildings. 574 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk about whether or not 575 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: we had found something that was a little clue, too 576 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: close to the truth, that should not be revealed for 577 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: some bizarre reason. What does it all mean aliens, ghosts, 578 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: and phantasmical serpents. Well, maybe the answer is simple. Aliens 579 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: are more than just creatures from another physical planet. They 580 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: are creatures that are from another dimension altogether. They transcend 581 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: normal biology. They are both physical and spiritual. They blur 582 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: the line between the physical and non physical, and that 583 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: is why there are very very real reports are very 584 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: very real aliens, and yet we have such trouble capturing 585 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: them in a test tube or putting them under a microscope, 586 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: so to speak. But maybe we can learn more about 587 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: the nature of what's happening here if we're allowed to 588 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: properly study this footage. Will this ever be released? I 589 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: do not know, and at this point, fifteen years later, 590 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know who would have the power to 591 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: release it. I guess Jim Castle would be a good 592 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: place to start, if anybody out there is, if you're 593 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: if you're a credible person, I don't I don't want 594 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: to just here from any Tom Dick or Harry. But 595 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: if you're a credible person, if you're a filmmaker and 596 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: you want to look into this and follow up on it, 597 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: get in touch with me and I'll see if I 598 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: can get you in touch with Jim Castle. It's an 599 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: interesting story on many many levels, and I'm fortunate that 600 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: I have the footage. But I wanted to tell you 601 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: that story while there, while most of the people who 602 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: were involved are still alive, can still verify what I 603 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: have told you is true, and while there's still a 604 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: chance that some of this may one day see the 605 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: light of day. I've never worked on a project so 606 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: big that has just been shut down so quickly after 607 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: we got something really strange and significant and wild like 608 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: that that would have looked great on TV. And yet 609 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: that's what happened with the Notorious x OPS project. Now 610 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: you know the story. 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Welcome 653 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: back to the final segment of this edition of Strange 654 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,720 Speaker 1: Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 655 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, 656 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: and I recently gave you a podcast about the so 657 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: called Mandela Effect. I've gotten a lot of interesting emails 658 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: from doing that podcast. Here is one that came from 659 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: Chris in Missouri. He said, in listening to your podcast 660 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: on the Mandela Effect, I remembered a conversation I had 661 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: with a friend about a particular verse in the Bible 662 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: Isaiah eleven six. My friend asked me if I remembered 663 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: reading in the Bible that the lion shall lie down 664 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: with the lamb. I said that I did remember reading 665 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: that in the Bible, but he directed me to the 666 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: actual content of the verse, and it says the wolf 667 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: shall dwell with the lamb. He goes on to say, 668 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: and the leopards shall lie down with the child, and 669 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 1: the calf, and the young lion and the fatling together, 670 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So it's no longer a lion in 671 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: a lamb, it's a wolf in a lamb. Does that 672 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: sound right to you? And you know, he reminded me 673 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: of this. That's actually one of my favorite examples and 674 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: I just didn't have time to mention them all. But 675 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: it's a good one, isn't it. Chris says, I like 676 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: he and his wife was stunned. He said, how does 677 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: one explain that. Here's another email I got from the 678 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: Mandela Effect show. This comes from Alan in California. He said, 679 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: dear Mr Uren, good evening to you and your wife Lauren. 680 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,720 Speaker 1: I am very aware of the Mandela Effect. I too 681 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: heard that Mr Mandela had died in prison. I also 682 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: heard that Nichelle Nichelle Nichols had died. That's hera of 683 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: Star Trek, and then I hear that she is alive 684 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: and having some property trouble, you know what. As soon 685 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: as he said that, I thought, huh, because I also 686 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: could swear that I recently saw a news report that 687 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: Nichelle Nichols had died, because I remember them saying, oh, 688 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: this was the first time, you know where there was 689 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: an on screen kiss of this sort with her and 690 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: Captain Kirk and making a big deal out of that 691 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: being a groundbreaking moment, and I could have sworn that 692 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: I also saw what he's talking. But no, she is 693 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 1: alive and well, Alan says, something is most surely going 694 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: on here. He also says thanks again for the forces 695 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,240 Speaker 1: of Nature one that you sold me. It works so powerfully. 696 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: And your golden ratio tone that's the good Fortune tone, 697 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: is working smooth sailing these last two weeks. Please keep 698 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: on playing it. Thanks well, okay, I will do that, Alan, 699 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: I will play that twenty second good Fortune tone at 700 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: the end of this segment. I love all the stories 701 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm getting from people. I've told you some of them already. 702 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: You know, some people they put a cup of water 703 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: uh in front of it while it's playing, and then 704 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: they drink the water and get all this energy or um. 705 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: They're They're just so many. Like one guy he said 706 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: he put it into a spectrograph machine or program himself, 707 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,959 Speaker 1: was and using the patterns to make a different manifestation 708 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: and devices. And so I will definitely play that for 709 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: you again here on this particular podcast, listen to this testimonial. 710 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: Who comes from see this one comes from Crystal in California. 711 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: She said, I spent a lot of time learning about organite, 712 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: found it to be amazing stuff. By the way, if 713 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: you don't know what organite is, at some point, I'll 714 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: do a podcast about that. It's a very bizarre substance. 715 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: She says, I became a bit obsessed and started making 716 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: and selling organite on eBay. I thought it would be 717 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: really cool to be able to see the energy from it, 718 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: so I made the Aura Advisor and put one of 719 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,280 Speaker 1: my strongest organized pyramids in front of a white sheet 720 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: of paper. Now what she's talking about here is if 721 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: you sign up for my free e newsletter, then you 722 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: instantly received some links to some cool free stuff. One 723 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: is a digital good luck charm. The other is information 724 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: on how to make the Aura visor yourself, right there 725 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 1: at home for next to nothing, that will help you 726 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: train your eyes to see into other realms. So she 727 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,439 Speaker 1: used this information. She said, it did not take much 728 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: time before I could see the energy coming from it. 729 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: After this period out of this pyramid, she says, after 730 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 1: I relaxed, I found it helps to sort of yawn 731 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: and think I can see the energy and then start 732 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: to see it. Another thing, I live in a haunted house, 733 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: and now I'm not the kind that can see or 734 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: talk to ghosts. I know they're there when they move 735 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: stuff or make noise. I do sometimes see them just 736 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: out of the corner of my eye, but I'm very 737 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: used to it. And I think it's way cool that 738 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: when I've been practicing ora viewing a lot each day, well, 739 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: one time I saw a whispy, paranormal looking cloud and 740 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: another time a little bit of one of my ghosts. 741 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: So cool. I hope I get to a point where 742 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,720 Speaker 1: seeing this energy becomes more and more normal and natural 743 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: for me. For now, I will keep on practicing. Thank 744 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: you so much for the info on this. I'm telling 745 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,399 Speaker 1: you if you have not made those aura vision or 746 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: I call it, you know, the Aura advisor. If you've 747 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: not made that, you can make it for pennies at 748 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:42,360 Speaker 1: your house and you will really open open your eyes 749 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 1: and your mind. I got this testimonial from a lady 750 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I I could give her name, but this 751 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,359 Speaker 1: is sort of personal, so I think I won't put 752 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: her name out there. Uh, she says, Hi, Mr Warren, 753 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: I know you don't have a lot of time. I'll 754 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: keep this as brief as possible. My twenty five year 755 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,360 Speaker 1: old son, for almost the last year, would have nothing 756 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: to do with his grandmother, would not answer the phone 757 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,920 Speaker 1: if it was her, or even get out of a 758 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: car to walk ten feet to drop off groceries at 759 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,839 Speaker 1: her house. When I did her shopping. That's how bad 760 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,359 Speaker 1: it was for no good reason. He basically hated her. 761 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: She's a wonderful and kind hearted person, so his hate 762 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: was unfounded. I heard about your psionic de materializer product 763 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: through your podcast, so I bought it along with the 764 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: dog tag with the Pono Pono phrases, which he swore 765 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,399 Speaker 1: he would wear. I got the product, set it up, 766 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,800 Speaker 1: and he started wearing the dog tag, and although it 767 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: was a real struggle for him at first, he started 768 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: to say the phrases several times a day. Within two weeks, 769 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: his attitude started changing and he was happier and less 770 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,280 Speaker 1: stressed out so much. And one day his grandmother called 771 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 1: and I was busy, so I asked him to get 772 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: the phone, and he did. He ended up talking with 773 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: her about twenty minutes, much to my amazement. Then she 774 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 1: asked if she could take him out to lunch for 775 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,880 Speaker 1: his birthday in a few days, and he agreed. It 776 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: just got better after that, and he actually went to 777 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,760 Speaker 1: her house to help her do things that she couldn't 778 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: do herself. So thank you for making the dog tags 779 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,760 Speaker 1: with the phrases that helped my son overcome anger, bitterness, 780 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: and I believe self hate, and I can tell you 781 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 1: it was beyond bad. At times I couldn't stand to 782 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 1: be around him exclamation point. Just four little sentences have 783 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,439 Speaker 1: made a world of difference in our lives. She put 784 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: world in capital letters. If they could change my son, 785 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,959 Speaker 1: then they could benefit anybody. Feel free to use any 786 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 1: part of this as a testimonial if you wish. Thanks 787 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 1: again for the miraculous dog tag. Thank you so much 788 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,840 Speaker 1: to everybody who wrote to me, um, including of course 789 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,439 Speaker 1: this lady from Tennessee. And but I I I'm sad 790 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: to report that as of recording this right now, I 791 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,560 Speaker 1: only have two of the psionic de materializers left, the 792 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: bad buster. I am going to look into making another 793 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 1: batch sometime next year because they have been so popular, 794 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: but right now there only two. And if you go 795 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,919 Speaker 1: to the Curiosity Shop at Joshua pe Warren dot com 796 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: you'll see what I'm talking about. And these things they 797 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,879 Speaker 1: do sell out the stuff I put there because they're unique, handmade, 798 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, items you can only find there. I also 799 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: got a question I want to answer for those of 800 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,759 Speaker 1: you who have a de materializer. The question is is 801 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 1: it is it okay to use the word no or 802 00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 1: not in the de materializer, like not enough living space, 803 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: because this person said, we live in a single wide 804 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: and my room is so small I continually hit my 805 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: toes on the bedframe. So is it okay to say 806 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 1: not enough living space? Is this the appropriate way to 807 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: word this? And yes it is actually because whatever, if 808 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,280 Speaker 1: you have a bad buster, a psionic dematerializer, the concept 809 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,759 Speaker 1: is whatever you put in there, you are neutralizing. So 810 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,799 Speaker 1: if you put not enough living space, that's all you need, 811 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,719 Speaker 1: that's a statement of your problem. So yes, you put 812 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,560 Speaker 1: that in there, and now the device is designed to 813 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: help you neutralize the concept of having not enough living space. 814 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,279 Speaker 1: So that's exactly how you do it. It's okay to 815 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: use words no and not or or any other wording 816 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,600 Speaker 1: you need, as long as you make sure that you're 817 00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,280 Speaker 1: not saying the opposite of what you want. You're saying, 818 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,320 Speaker 1: I put this thing in here that I don't want, 819 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,160 Speaker 1: and that is what you're going to neutralize what you 820 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: don't want. All right, Okay, it's time for me to 821 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,239 Speaker 1: play for you once again, the good Fortune tone. It's 822 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: twenty seconds. Relax, here we go. That's it for this 823 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 1: edition of the show. Follow me on Twitter at Joshua 824 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 1: pe Warren Plus, visit Joshua pe Warren dot com to 825 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: sign up for my free E newsletter to receive a 826 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,880 Speaker 1: free instant gift, and check out the cool Stuff and 827 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,320 Speaker 1: the Curiosity Shop all at Joshua P. Warren dot com. 828 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: I have a fun one lined up for you next time, 829 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,799 Speaker 1: I promise, so please tell all your friends to subscribe 830 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,120 Speaker 1: to this show and who always remember the Golden rule. 831 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, thank you for your interest in support, 832 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,880 Speaker 1: thank you for staying curious, and I we'll talk to 833 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 1: you again soon. You've been listening to Strange Things on 834 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,239 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast st a 835 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:44,880 Speaker 1: UM Paranormal Podcast Network. Well, if you like this episode 836 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,439 Speaker 1: of Strange Things, wait until you hear the next one. 837 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,960 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the I Heart Radio on 838 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,719 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a AM Paranormal Podcast Network.