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Speaker 2: in Nashville, Spidy Smith. When we were together, some people

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Speaker 2: What are your friends call you? What are your closest

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Speaker 2: Now, Uh, why is that? What's what's up with Spidey?

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Speaker 3: Where did it come from?

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Speaker 2: Roles of film do this film? Because you can't just

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Speaker 3: That's that look that everybody.

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Speaker 3: I had to relearn and so that's so I was

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Speaker 3: I honestly feel, and I would say this out loud.

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Speaker 3: Then now it's a massive amount of wisdom. You see.

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Speaker 3: On the first job.

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Speaker 1: I had the experience to know how the years, even

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Speaker 1: I'm like, so, how do you feel? How do you

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Speaker 3: It's probably just me, but keep doing you whatever. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like.

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Speaker 1: Paul and everybody's quiet listening to Marshall go but whatever,

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Speaker 3: So make the best of it.

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Speaker 1: Super dry. I was like, okay, you know, I got

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Speaker 1: you're feeling wrong. I'll start walking away, say Spidey, Spidy

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Speaker 3: What I mean.

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Speaker 1: So it's just he's very witty and dry. And you

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Speaker 1: know what was the video you do with him? That

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Speaker 1: was for yellow Wolf, a song called best Friends?

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Speaker 2: Didn't he didn't? He because I remember Eminem and Yellowolf

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Speaker 2: But I've seen Yellow a couple of times in the

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 1: No, Marshall definitely discovered and brought him to Shady and Interscope,

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Speaker 1: and they did their they did their stuff, their their

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Speaker 1: their records and albums. And now Wolf has his own.

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Speaker 1: He's on his own imprint, and he's like Pearl Jam.

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Speaker 2: You got a lot of tattoos.

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Speaker 3: He does it all, Yes, he does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it got a lot of tattoos.

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Speaker 5: Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back, and

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Speaker 2: Which music video do you look back at and you're

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Speaker 2: most proud of? And you could see really your maturation

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Speaker 3: From the old days.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: You can give me one old, one note, one old.

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Speaker 1: I love my girls and boys, Good Charlotte. And the

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Speaker 1: reason I love it is because I was going to

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Speaker 1: meet Benji and Joel Up at Mel's Diner on Sunset

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Speaker 1: Boulevard and I was dry. I had heard that another

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Speaker 1: wasn't liked. But I back to my street game, was

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Speaker 1: going to meet the guys, and I was out of

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Speaker 1: and I see this Ferrari with this this old dude

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Speaker 1: just when I was playing the song like crazy girls

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Speaker 1: I'm like, immediately on the phone, but that song was

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Speaker 1: you were playing that?

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Speaker 3: I was playing because.

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Speaker 1: I get the music from the artist, Yes, to think

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Speaker 3: To them trying to come up with an idea.

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Speaker 1: I'm literally bluffing, trying to steal the video from another director.

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Speaker 1: I'll say it's many, many years, but I called my partner,

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Speaker 1: having dinner with them. Came in with the treatment and

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Speaker 1: I was like, so, guys, here it is. And then

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Speaker 1: that video. And that was another reason why I love it.

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Speaker 1: I discovered myself there on that new video.

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Speaker 2: But on that video, so you're watching old dude, young girl. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is that what the video?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I'm sorry I didn't clarify that. The video concept.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: That was good.

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Speaker 1: Charlotte hanging out, being playing a song. Everybody in their

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Speaker 1: Everybody's partying, you know, eighty seventy elderly. Yeah, and they're

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Speaker 1: having the time of their life.

444
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Speaker 3: And it was. It was a well received video. Once

445
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Speaker 3: a VMA and that's awesome.

446
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody break a hip?

447
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 1: No, but if you watch it, there was a guy

448
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: in the back who does a cannonball in the pool.

449
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: I had to stop because I made him do like

450
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Speaker 1: seven of them and he was getting winded really bad.

451
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Speaker 2: All right, new new video. Let's say the more recent

452
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Speaker 2: season that you look at and you're like, dang, I

453
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Speaker 2: did that one to the best of my ability.

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it. Yeah, Jake Owen up there down here,

455
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Speaker 1: pretty yeah recent. Yeah, that was Jake allowed taking the

456
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Speaker 1: chains off. He's like, go make what you want to

457
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Speaker 1: go make and we talked about it and the fact

458
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Speaker 1: that it then got he who had a day off

459
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Speaker 1: in Wyoming, you know, and we get to shoot a

460
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Speaker 1: performance there, which really allowed me and the team down

461
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Speaker 1: in Florida to really hammer home narrative.

462
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Speaker 3: It was fun.

463
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: I think it all came together and that is one

464
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Speaker 1: of my more recent phaves.

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Speaker 2: What to do this? You know, there's a couple of

466
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Speaker 2: ways to do it. You can actually go and class

467
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: this Trent. You can train, or you can just do it. Yeah, right,

468
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: like my guy read just did it and figured it

469
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: out and then took and just kept learning as he

470
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Speaker 2: was doing it in media or in music, that happens

471
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Speaker 2: to a lot, right. You can just sit in your

472
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Speaker 2: garage and play and then start, or you can go

473
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Speaker 2: and like what was your style and how did who

474
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Speaker 2: did you learn from? Or was it just doing it

475
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Speaker 2: and screwing up?

476
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Speaker 3: No, I mean filmmaking.

477
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Speaker 1: I think there's a different era now coming up where

478
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Speaker 1: I don't think young people are coming up learning the craft.

479
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: They're learning DIY cameras go good it back then or

480
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Speaker 1: not back then? But where I came from, it was

481
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Speaker 1: more like learning a craft and honing that.

482
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Speaker 2: What was the when you learned? Did you learn mostly

483
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Speaker 2: by doing it? Yes and doing it wrong? Or learning

484
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Speaker 2: by like a teacher going this is the class way.

485
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Speaker 1: I went to college merely so I could slow down.

486
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: And I did go to film school, but I rated

487
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Speaker 1: the film I took. I literally took film cans from

488
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Speaker 1: the classes and.

489
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Speaker 3: Would go shoot music videos.

490
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Speaker 1: So I got waved out of I don't even know

491
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Speaker 1: thirteen classes.

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Speaker 2: Is that like clept It would be the same thing. Yeah,

493
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Speaker 2: like you have enough experience where like you're you're good

494
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 2: enough past this class anyway?

495
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Speaker 1: Yes that they Yeah, And I turned in Bone, Thugs

496
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Speaker 1: and Harmony my senior year. I turned to exhibit my

497
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Speaker 1: junior year projects, you know, and teachers would just excuse

498
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Speaker 1: me because I want I got into USC Will you

499
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Speaker 1: let me make music videos?

500
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Speaker 2: No?

501
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Speaker 3: I got a UCLA. Will you let me make music videos?

502
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Speaker 2: No?

503
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Speaker 3: Laurel and Mayormount. Yes, that's what I did.

504
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Speaker 1: I've spoken to colleges film schools all around the country.

505
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Speaker 1: Full Sale number one most asked question. How did you

506
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Speaker 1: get to doing this so young? I knew what I

507
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: wanted to do and went and did it.

508
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Speaker 2: Did it?

509
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: There was no backup. There isn't They can't be a backup.

510
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: I can't have a fallback plan because you're going to

511
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: fall back on it, you know, It's just that it

512
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: was that way. So yeah, I learned by doing I did.

513
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: I put myself out there and developed the skills by doing.

514
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Speaker 2: Do you have to look back at any of your work.

515
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: You don't have to answer this and go, oh man,

516
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: that kind of sucked, because I do all the time

517
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Speaker 2: on my stuff, like their stuff. I've written their stuff.

518
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, And I feel like, if you're

519
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: not cringing a little bit by your old work, you

520
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: haven't grown from Absolutely.

521
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Speaker 1: I pooped the bed many of them, not many by

522
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Speaker 1: three videos might not mention the names because they might

523
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: get a little sore that I said it. But can

524
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Speaker 1: I be honest with you, I would prefer that they

525
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Speaker 1: weren't film jobs. What do you they were the new

526
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: me coming into video me learning these cameras. I didn't

527
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: they were heavy, they had air conditioners like fans.

528
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to move them, you know.

529
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Speaker 1: And I also don't forget they were coming out There

530
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: was red, these big, bulky cameras, and then you had

531
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Speaker 1: these five d's. Everyone's oh, they're the greatest thing. Oh yeah, yeah,

532
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, oh god.

533
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Speaker 3: They moved weird jittered like.

534
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Speaker 1: That's not it, that's not it. So I had to

535
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: That was the big part. That was the big thing

536
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Speaker 1: for me.

537
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Speaker 2: Did you ever consider doing films like was that ever?

538
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: Because obviously there's a love for it.

539
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I was attached to a movie, maybe two of them,

540
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: but definitely I was attached to one. I was with

541
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Speaker 1: cia ICM agents and stuff like that, and the amount

542
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Speaker 1: of effort and time it takes to get a film

543
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Speaker 1: off the ground. I guess I was young and green.

544
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: I thought, Wow, I'm attached to a movie. It's in

545
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Speaker 1: daily variety. I'm gone, I'm to the moon. Guys never

546
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Speaker 1: got made. You're sitting there in development, you're turning down

547
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: jobs or because you're you're too busy trying to This

548
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: is gonna be it a storyboard. This it never gets made.

549
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: So I guess I just followed what I was good

550
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: at and what I knew. And I've always been a

551
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: lover of music. I mean, it's crazy how much I

552
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: love music. And I love the underdog so and to me,

553
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: that's what music is. You know, I just the fight.

554
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: So you know, I stayed in that part, and even

555
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: recently I started I had to come to that conclusion

556
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: again with commercials, I'm like, you know, as a director,

557
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: you want to be able to do short form commercials

558
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: and such, and it's like, for some reason it just

559
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to translate. I'm like, I'm not someone's cash cow.

560
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I've the.

561
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Speaker 2: Hell with it.

562
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Speaker 1: I'm tired of putting all this effort and all these

563
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: things into it, and like now I'm gonna go where

564
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm needed, I'm wanted, you know, artists want to work

565
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: with me, and I'm gonna go there and I'm gonna pursue.

566
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go head down on that.

567
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: So do you think some of your ah pursuit and

568
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Speaker 2: the way that you challenge yourself is because your dad

569
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: and being your dad was in Special Forces and I'm

570
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: sure you don't. You don't get to be special Forces

571
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: unless you are dedicated, disciplined and trusting of the process. Absolutely,

572
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: And how how did that translate into you doing this everything?

573
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: A trust the process is something I've heard in my

574
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: whole life as a tennis player, that's trust, your trust

575
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: the process. You can't you can't be you can't enjoy

576
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: tennis unless you're really good just nins. You're decent. You

577
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: go play pick a ball if you want to go play.

578
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: My dad was intense. He raised me to be a

579
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: bit of a perfectionist.

580
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Speaker 2: Uh they were.

581
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: When I said I wanted to be a Navy seal,

582
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I trained like hell. I was running oh courses, obsticle courses.

583
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: I was.

584
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 3: I was running fourteen miles in combat.

585
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: Boots with with with the waits on weights on, I was.

586
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: I was in San Diego doing it.

587
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: Then he would actually put me in the swimming pool

588
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: before school, ankles in and would like, He's like, how

589
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: do you want to do? Is this still something you

590
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: want to do when the music's not on? You know,

591
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: when you're in your room and you're listening like Pantera

592
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, you're like, I'm gonna go do this, you know,

593
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: when you're eighteen nineteen or whatever. He was integral to saying, Okay,

594
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: if you're going to go to the Service, then.

595
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: Go to college.

596
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: Get some get some number, gets some credits so you

597
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: can come in higher in the service. So I took

598
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: the easiest classes I could, and there were film classes,

599
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: film moving, moving classes, and within two days I was done.

600
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Speaker 2: I was hooked. So you looked, you went in and

601
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: you were like, I'll do film. It seems easy, So

602
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: I get my credits and go be in the service.

603
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: But then you fell in freaking love with doing film

604
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: two days? And did you go to your dad and say,

605
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: you know what, I kind of like doing this now.

606
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: I didn't really expect to, but I don't. I'm not

607
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: going to do the service thing anymore. What did he

608
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: say about that?

609
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: He loved it.

610
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was nervous for a while there until he

611
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: got my tax returns on.

612
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Speaker 3: How many days did you work this year? X? Keep

613
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: doing it? Well, he's very proud of me. I mean,

614
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: he is my biggest fan.

615
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: Do you think you could have been a seal?

616
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: Yes, like you, no question.

617
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: I will do what I put my mind to, and

618
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: he I was raised for that, and I have no doubt.

619
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Speaker 3: Even when I'm shooting.

620
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: Car Cremer car ads for a photo oftentime, I'm left

621
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: in the woods with a one hundred and fifty thousand

622
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: dollars prototype truck. And but before I got there, yeah,

623
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm hiking in snow, no one's around. I don't bother

624
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: the well, sorry, it's a part of like a five

625
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: million dollar job. And photo goes off and does in

626
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: that photo is just me. So it's it's definitely all

627
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: that training and all that discipline is just never give up.

628
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: You know. The only easy day was yesterday.

629
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Speaker 2: When you do photo. One of your first big jobs,

630
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: maybe if not your first was Bone Thugs for video,

631
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: oh for video for video. It was so whenever you're

632
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: working with somebody that's famous, or you're working with somebody

633
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Speaker 2: that you're kind of intimidated buy and you're very young,

634
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: like what are the rules? Can you just like go

635
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: up to him with the camera or they stayed there beforehand?

636
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Is it? Everybody has a different kind of personality, so

637
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: you have to handle everybody.

638
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: Differently different You have to be a chameleon. But what

639
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: you said really triggered something because you said.

640
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: When you were young.

641
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, back then and maybe still now,

642
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: but you would give rappers a four hour ahead call time,

643
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: knowing that they would be late.

644
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: They would dig into it. Well, lazy Bone showed up early.

645
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense because his name is Lazybone.

646
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, he dropped the ball.

647
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah he really did. He didn't live up to it.

648
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: But I was downstairs shooting concept and I came up

649
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: out of this dark warehouse and he was on top

650
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: of a car just yelling and screaming or something like that.

651
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: And he comes down, jumps off a car, he pulls

652
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: out a pistol, a gun.

653
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: He's like, what's up, what's saw me?

654
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: What's going on?

655
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: But I hear you can scrap.

656
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 2: I hear you scrap.

657
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, let me see that. I grabbed

658
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: the gun.

659
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: WHOA handed to my ad and then I start talking

660
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: to him. You know, we had to actually shoot another day.

661
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: We had to shoot another day because there was just

662
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot of that. Some of the takes weren't as

663
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: they weren't as fresh as they could have been. The guys,

664
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: the guys, Yeah, we had another full day of shooting

665
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: for some of those.

666
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: Easier dynamic Working with a rock band or a rap group.

667
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: That's so awesome of a question. One hundred rock bands.

668
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: The rap game comes with all the entourage. That's a

669
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: big one. Rock is is pretty easy, pretty fun.

670
00:31:48,120 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 5: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is it's

671
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 5: a Bobby Cast.

672
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: Do you ever have somebody come in so messed up?

673
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: Because I had to do this before too, where you

674
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: kind of have to cover for them and shoot differently

675
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: because they're just either so high and you can tell,

676
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: or so drunk that music video.

677
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Not too often it's more like shoot it out, shoot.

678
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: I might have to adjust an angle to cover something,

679
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: but then you limit it in the edit.

680
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, usually that I haven't. I've had scripts thrown in

681
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: my face because.

682
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: They didn't like it. They're upset with you.

683
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: Just I have no clue why that one. It was

684
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: it was a female artist, and it was it was

685
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: a rapper. She was a queen, pin was her name.

686
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: But what was the words attached to the throw she like?

687
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: Was she like you're funny? Poo?

688
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: No, it was a bit on the white guy thing,

689
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: one of those things, you know.

690
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, were you always?

691
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: And take this because I'm saying it from me to you?

692
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: Were you always? Because I consider myself a pretty nerdy

693
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: white dude?

694
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: Oh?

695
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: Were you always? Like?

696
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a nerd, I'm a film nerd. I mean

697
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: I collect sports cards still with my son.

698
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: You know.

699
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: It's like, and you still looked like that regardless. Did

700
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: you try to blend in with the rappers or the

701
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: rock guys?

702
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Again, I tried to blend in when I was doing

703
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: when we were doing all the good Charlott's. Yeah, I

704
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: had the I had the Dickeys and the Converts and

705
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean it was I was signing Louis

706
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: Vauton purses and stuff. When you go to a good Shot,

707
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: it was a It was an interesting time being young

708
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: and being known as their director at their heyday.

709
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: Sure album covers, Morgan Wallen, you have talk? How many

710
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: of those have you done? All? Oh? Three of them?

711
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: All thine? How did that? First of all, did you

712
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: get to Nashville? Let me just back up from the

713
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: Morgan stuff? How'd you get to Nashville?

714
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: Uh?

715
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Hmm?

716
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: I was fed up with LA. I watched the business.

717
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: It was two thousand and five ish napster. I know

718
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: it sounds weird say, but napstrall was really a thing,

719
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: and Internet and budges were being cut, and LA is

720
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, being on top of the internet, the technology

721
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: wave whatever it was dying.

722
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: It was dying.

723
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: MTV wasn't playing anything but country music CMTGAC. People were

724
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: still buying in La. There would go on the iPads

725
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: or iPods. Here there were still buying the CDs at

726
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: Walmart and jamming out through lake. You know, so, I

727
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: I believe I was fortunate enough to see that and

728
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: to get in when the windows shut and it clipped

729
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: my ankles as I jumped through that one.

730
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: I feel like I barely made it through.

731
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: Did you know anybody here to make those connects or

732
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: at least your first couple connections. Yes.

733
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: Sean Silva, who is the owner of tackle Box Film,

734
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: is a great director. He was at the company I

735
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: was at in La, but he was he was at

736
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: that time. He was saying he was challenged because the

737
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: being a country director and doing rock videos wasn't translating.

738
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: But being a rock director doing country videos, he was like, dude,

739
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: you'll do great.

740
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 3: So I kind of I was.

741
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: And and and my my my wife in uh La.

742
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: She's from here, so it was all the reason to

743
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: move here. And I started doing very well. But Jason

744
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: Alden was one of the first people I started working with.

745
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: Immediately I saw him at h on a TV and

746
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: on a Texas roadhouse. Driving here from Oklahoma, I called

747
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: my agent, I want to meet with Jason Alden. Alden Alden,

748
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, But then like a couple of weeks later,

749
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm at his house doing it.

750
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: So it's yeah.

751
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: I used to collect garbage pill kids. Oh yeah, when

752
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: I was a kid, and none of them really all

753
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: of them. And I collected baseball cards too. Your son

754
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: still likes to collect cards. I'm assuming it's because your

755
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: passion for it that you've had it. What do you guys? Like?

756
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: What's fun for you guys to find? And how do

757
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: you how do you do you buy them? Do you

758
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: do breaks? Like? What how do you do?

759
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: We're not into that yet, but I wanted to teach him.

760
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: He's a lot like me, and he's spassy and he's

761
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: just all over the place, and so I wanted to

762
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: slow him down a little bit, teaching teach him a

763
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: little business stuff. He loves John Morant, so we we

764
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: nerd out on the Grizzlies and he collects. Actually, he

765
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: doesn't like collecting sports because he's like, ah, they get injured,

766
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: they get suspended. I don't, I don't, I don't like it.

767
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: So he collects cars, bull keets.

768
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: Oh really, that's ways make Huh. They stn't make them though, Yeah,

769
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: Oh they do, numbered graded all that stuff. I mean, like, yeah,

770
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars cards.

771
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned a minute ago. You you mentioned tennis. I

772
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: assume you played tennis then at some level, because that

773
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: usually doesn't come up.

774
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you play tennis still? I haven't played in

775
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: the latter part of a year. But I'll tell you

776
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: why I was. I started playing tennis at five. I

777
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: was one hundred and fifty one hundred and forty something

778
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: in the nation as a junior tennis player in California.

779
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: California is arguably probably the best state for tennis. Florida

780
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: is good too. Quit when my best friend cheated on

781
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: me in a big tournament, broke like ten tennis rackets

782
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: over a trash can, and then ever played until my

783
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: wife about a couple of years back. So you're a workaholic,

784
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: you need to go play tennis. I didn't have glasses,

785
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: I'd have anything. I got back into it so diligently

786
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: that it was distracting my work. It brought back that

787
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: that thing.

788
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: That I are you obsessive?

789
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: I'm I'm yeah, yeah, I'm yeah.

790
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: I'm not not even saying cossive. But are you Do

791
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: you get obsessed? And then it's hard to not.

792
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I'm a I'm a go getter, you know,

793
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: if I put my mind to it.

794
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: For it's something that I've locked into my brain.

795
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: I got to do it to an unhealthy state. Yep.

796
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm on OCD medication. And for a long time I

797
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: was just like, I just you know, I really like stuff.

798
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: But then I started to realize it wasn't natural how

799
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: much and I could not focus on anything else. And

800
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: I come from a family baddict, but I didn't always

801
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: put the two together. But I'm on an OCD medication,

802
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: So I asked that from somebody who also deal with that.

803
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: And it would be a bit unhealthy for me because

804
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: I would not I would have blinders on whatever I

805
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: was doing, and it would kill other relationships or romantic

806
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: but I would just be me and that that's it

807
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: until I either conquer it or am board with it.

808
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Still I would be I would be on an anniversary,

809
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: not with my wife. But I remember back in the day,

810
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: I would be driving to a dinner and I would

811
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: get a phone call from the post facility saying, hey, uh,

812
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: someone just canceled. We can bump you in like turn over,

813
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: go in and work. Hey, we get dinner there. It

814
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: just this is the way I am. It must come

815
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: with some drawbacks, but I also think it's a superpower.

816
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: I honestly believe that. I mean I've met my family.

817
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm not like organizing my shoes too crazy,

818
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: but my office is absolutely OCD organized. I mean even

819
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: before our podcast, I'm looking at the we have a

820
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: collage of all my plaques and I'm like, you know,

821
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: we get at everything has to be all the squares

822
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: corner you're adjusting seven pictures when it's just a little off.

823
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the Morgan album covers, you know,

824
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: let's get back to that. How did how did those

825
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: come about? And I'm assuming the first one that's cool,

826
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: but he wasn't what he is now. No, the first

827
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: one I think was kind of probably something from the

828
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: record label.

829
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: But the first one you did, I did.

830
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: And they were like, they brought me in, got it

831
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 3: and we hit it off great.

832
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: I think all of our shoots, all albums, if I

833
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: know me, dangerous and one thing at a time, have

834
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: all been two hours or less quick. The first one

835
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: was definitely motivated by the label. We hit it off great.

836
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: The second go I go into a quick.

837
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: Story, you're going to a long story.

838
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: COVID happened.

839
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: And probably the second rock bottom that I've gone through,

840
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: maybe third but this rock bottom was worse than anything

841
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: I've ever felt, because I was married with kids and

842
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: it was I hadn't worked in eight months, didn't make

843
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: a penny, living this down the street and driving a Tesla,

844
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: and I had to change things up.

845
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 3: It was a real tough time. Anyway.

846
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: I got a phone call in the new house and

847
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: I was off doing checklists while the kids are off

848
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: of school.

849
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 3: Wife is trying to make some money.

850
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm home alone doing checklist you know, like, this is

851
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: not what I'm meant to be doing.

852
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: And this is on the what month nine?

853
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: And I get a phone call from Morgan's manager, Tracker.

854
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: He's like hey, and I see it. I'm like, whoa,

855
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: what's this? He's like, how are you? What?

856
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: You doing nothing?

857
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, how would you were you doing Saturday?

858
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: This was like Thursday. Would you like to photograph arguably

859
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: going to be the one of the biggest albums in

860
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: country music for Morgan? I was like yes, because he

861
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: told me a little bit about it. It's gonna be

862
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: a double thing. We've already done some photos, but Morgan

863
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: didn't think they were fitting. He did he requested you

864
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: and that meant everything to me. At that time, I

865
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: can't even, I can't. It brought me out of it.

866
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: It brought me out. It brought me out of the

867
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: dark to know that someone really At that time, there

868
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: was a first phone call. The first phone call for

869
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: work was Morgan wanting to work with me because he

870
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: wasn't happy with what he got. He really wanted something unique.

871
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: It's because of that he called me. That's the that's

872
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: that was big.

873
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: Was there a pressure then for you to go, Okay,

874
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: he wants something unique. Yeah, I gotta figure something out

875
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: that isn't traditional but not too wacky or no, it's

876
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: going to be overboard.

877
00:41:54,080 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: My style is is is to unarm the artist, to

878
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: just shoot a bit of the candidness, but make it

879
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: feel like lightning just struck in a perfect location, you know,

880
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: So like you know, I'm obsessed with the four corners

881
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: of the frame. If I got a great photo but

882
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: the background is not great, or it's off of this,

883
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: and if somebody's coming, I don't I won't use it.

884
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's eminem or Madonna, I don't care.

885
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: It's got to go through my criteria process. And so

886
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: I guess the only pressure I have is me because

887
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: Morgan's just he's extreme gentleman to me. I mean, he's

888
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: just like he really does kind of yes sir, yes, sir,

889
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: whatever you want.

890
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 3: It means it's awesome.

891
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: So I think the pressure is me and I put

892
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: a lot of it a lot.

893
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

894
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

895
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Speaker 2: Oh when you get one of those calls like hey,

896
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: we want you to come either make the video or

897
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 2: just shoot you know, for whatever it is. It could

898
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: be commercial, it could be music concert. Who's the call

899
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: you got? There? Like holy crap? Like personally, you were

900
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: a fan, so it was really cool.

901
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: I got a phone call from an artist.

902
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: Just saying I want to hire you, or their manager

903
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: was like he wants to hire you, she wants to

904
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: hire you, And You're like, that's super cool because I'm

905
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: a massive fan of that person. He maybe didn't say that,

906
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: but to you, you were like, Wow, this feels kind

907
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: of cool in a personal way because I love their art.

908
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: Honestly, I would say yellow Wolf I put him high

909
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: on that list of artistry.

910
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: He is, Yeah, he is such a.

911
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: Scrutiny of art and style and what he wants for

912
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: him to work with me on fourteen music videos and

913
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: four albums, that's that's an honor, And honestly, I take

914
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: a lot of pride in my repeat business. Three albums

915
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: for Morgan. You know a lot of my work is

916
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: multiple stuff. That means they're coming back for a reason,

917
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: and that's what I kind of hold that as a

918
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: badge of honor.

919
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: Really, do you have any moments where it's like they're like, oh,

920
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: you got that because something happened and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

921
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: I got that or I missed that? Always really always

922
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: give me a good tell me you got that moment.

923
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: They're all the time. But you're hoping that you didn't

924
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: get that. Are you saying that I didn't get it?

925
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: It could be either one. Right, I've missed.

926
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: Moments before and you say you got it and you

927
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, it's great, it's great, and you honestly

928
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: are just hoping that they forget and they do you

929
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: just service, you service another photo and you're like, cool,

930
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, I've I've I've run into that before for sure,

931
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Speaker 1: and uh not really on client Yeah yeah, yeah.

932
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: I ever had like you shot a picture and you

933
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: didn't even know until you looked at it and there's

934
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: like Haley's common in the background or something cool that

935
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: you didn't know was in the picture, because that would

936
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: be pretty cool.

937
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: I did shoot photos. I was doing Breaking Benjamin.

938
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: You know, they rock band, and I did So Cold

939
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: and Diary of Jane for them, and I did uh

940
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: so cool. Diary of Jane was in Yonkers, New York,

941
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: in a haunted mansion a manner of some sort. And

942
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Speaker 1: I was also shooting photo for them as well. It's

943
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: like album. And we went to this pool and shot

944
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: the photo and the old pool it was abandoned and

945
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: just cool tile and just very.

946
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: Ornate and beautiful and abandoned.

947
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: And we took a picture in their orbs everywhere.

948
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Speaker 3: We didn't see that until we got back to the hotel,

949
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: which I.

950
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Speaker 2: Was gonna see. Could you see anything where you were shooting?

951
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: No? Yeah, when I shot the picture, we were shooting

952
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: film on the video. But when I shot photo, it

953
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: was digital and I'm shooting click clicklick, okay, back to this,

954
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: back to this click click click. You know, so I

955
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: didn't get to see the photo untilay I went back

956
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: to the hotel.

957
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: It was everywhere.

958
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: So what do you think that was.

959
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: I do believe it's spirits or something going on there.

960
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: It couldn't have been anything else. I just I know lights.

961
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: I tried to defunk all that all time. I had

962
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: a really messed up situation like that in h in

963
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: the dress school in Austin.

964
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they stayed there a bunch. What happened.

965
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: I was there with my wife. She was doing a

966
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: modeling job and I was. We were in the hotel sleeping.

967
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: She had to be up at like four in the morning,

968
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: so she's not trying to cause any drama or you know,

969
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: like we were sleeping at separate beds because we had

970
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Speaker 1: singles because I came.

971
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Speaker 3: I came unannounced.

972
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Speaker 1: And we were sleep We had gone to the mezzanine

973
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: area and taken photos and we're really acting obnoxious with

974
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: a group of us and just kind of like, oh,

975
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: you know this and that, And we went back to

976
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Speaker 1: the hotel the room slept and I, you know, you

977
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: wake up and you're kind of like I couldn't breathe,

978
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: but you were kind of like whatever. And I hear

979
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: my wife and the other bay go Ryan. I'm like,

980
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: she didn't know I was awake. What I can't breathe

981
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: somebody's on me. She couldn't breathe. I didn't tell her

982
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: what I was going through. I was sleeping, sideway is

983
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: going right, and she I feel like somebody's on my chest,

984
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: pushing this, this and that. And it was just a

985
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: real creepy thing. But we got back again. One of

986
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: the photos we saw after the fact was like in

987
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: the Mezanine where you can shoot, you know the mirrors,

988
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: you shoot into a mirror, but behind his mirrors that

989
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: just goes back into infinity of mirrors. There is a

990
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: literal woman in a cloak screaming, no way. I will

991
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: try to find it to you and steer. She's like this,

992
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: she's got a cloak, and it's like, okay in The

993
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: guy who took the picture was a UFC fighter.

994
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: It was ghost. He was white as a ghost.

995
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: He saw it. And you don't think that that was

996
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: how I don't. I don't know the science of it,

997
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: but I'm a woman in a or. I can understand

998
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: it because you can define it.

999
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find this old cell phone. Yeah, but when

1000
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: you stayed there to dress school, what was that like?

1001
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: Did you feel anything? Andy Lennox said that I.

1002
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: Said fifty times nothing they like me. I don't like me.

1003
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: I hooked up with the but I knew it wasn't

1004
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: didn't scare me because she I picked her up in

1005
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: the bar as it goes, it's familiar. Yeah, so we'd

1006
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: known each other, so that wasn't weird.

1007
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 3: No, it shouldn't be.

1008
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a few times.

1009
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: Mine was a little weird because I I it's messing

1010
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: with them.

1011
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1012
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Would you have your son do the same thing

1013
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: you do if he wanted to, if he said fifty

1014
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 2: to fifty, Dad, should I do what you do? Yeah?

1015
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: Yes, I I really do. Don't think I work a day.

1016
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't work.

1017
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: I love what I do.

1018
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: It's it's a challenge and it was hard and it

1019
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: was a lot of sacrifice to get to that point

1020
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: of love. And I don't know if I would want

1021
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: that for him or do I want that for me.

1022
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it was you know, it's like you're you're

1023
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: coming up.

1024
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: He wasn't just you know.

1025
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's career, it's it's character building. They're very creative people.

1026
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: We live we have a very untraditional house in the

1027
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: sense of you know, I've got Iam Tongy coming in

1028
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: for a podcast and Yellow and people coming into the

1029
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: house and they get they hang out with them, and

1030
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: it's different.

1031
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 3: So they see that.

1032
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: And of course now with the YouTube thing, and my

1033
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: son's like, Dad, can I make a YouTube channel?

1034
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 3: You got one?

1035
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you know, so I they're interested in it,

1036
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: and I think I know a lot of people and

1037
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: can coach them.

1038
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: The last couple few episodes of your podcast, like what

1039
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: Who's been on? What do you talk about? Oh?

1040
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: Well, Iam Tongy and I for he's the American Idol winner.

1041
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: We talked about our trip in South Pacific.

1042
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: And just his music. I love hearing how he came.

1043
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: Artists come up and hearing their stories, So I get

1044
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: that perspective from different positions, you know, directors and things

1045
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: like that. But I think my favorite thing is learning

1046
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: the artist process. We all have different processes and process whatever,

1047
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's even as an artist.

1048
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: Do you know a of your process? Have you stopped

1049
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: to think about what your process are? You're just going

1050
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: mad doing, you know. I mean I used to do

1051
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: that until I heard someone say about the artist process

1052
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: or trust the process or whatever you know, and you're like,

1053
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: what is my process? And actually was working with Yellow

1054
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: Wolf in the studio when he was making the Love

1055
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: Story record. I realized my process more honed because he

1056
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: is his his in mine are very similar.

1057
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: See, you're cool with your kid doing something creative. There's

1058
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: no stability, as you know, have to create your own stability,

1059
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: and even that can be wiped out. Do you see

1060
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: a lot of you and him?

1061
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: He yeah, yeah, My oldest son is a spinning image

1062
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: of me. Clumsy, looks like me a little add What

1063
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: did you do in school?

1064
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: Three point two ish?

1065
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: So good?

1066
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: But you probably couldn't. I wasn't focused. I didn't I

1067
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be doing the other things. But when I

1068
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: was at l m U College, it was like a

1069
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: three point nine eight and that was you got You

1070
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: got doctor a minuses.

1071
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: Because you were focused. Because what I wanted found what

1072
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: you want?

1073
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: It was my money, you know what I mean?

1074
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: I was like, So I understand that, and I and

1075
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm parenting him a lot differently than I was parented.

1076
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: I understand what he's going through or what he's thinking,

1077
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: and I'll explain it to him in the way that

1078
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: I know that I would have wanted it, and it's

1079
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: it's helping.

1080
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: He's like, thanks, Dad.

1081
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: It helps in the trenches with Spider. You guys check

1082
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: out his podcast. He's a directorates photographer, he's a podcaster.

1083
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: H and at Spidey smith S p I d e.

1084
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: Y Smith on Instagram.

1085
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

1086
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the hour we did here, man.

1087
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1088
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: That was super cool. We talked about this being in

1089
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: Florida together and I was like, should come to the

1090
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: podcast and uh and Georgia Georgia then, but like, this

1091
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 2: has been super cool.

1092
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I was tickled to do this. Thank you.

1093
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: I'm tickled right right now, are Yeah. At Spidey Smith

1094
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: you guys follow it. We'll put it on the notes

1095
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: here as well. Spidy, thanks man, thank you, thanks for

1096
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: listening to a Bobby Cast production.