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Speaker 1: Tour announcement starts now. Hello everyone, it is me Sam

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Speaker 1: and I am going on tour this summer. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: my hour of incredible stand up comedy and I would.

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Speaker 2: Love, love love to see you there.

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Speaker 1: So I will be in San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, DC, Boston, Philly,

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Speaker 1: and maybe a couple more. But if you are in

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Speaker 1: any of those places, please please please get tickets. I

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Speaker 1: would love to see you all there. And I'm really

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Speaker 1: really excited because I love touring now, So see you there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Andrey yet Bye.

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Speaker 3: Hi everyone. This is George from the Future here to

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Speaker 3: say that we had so much fun with our guest

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Speaker 3: this episode that we never actually properly introduced him in

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Speaker 3: the beginning. So in case, for whatever reason, you have

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Speaker 3: not read the title of this episode or the description,

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to say that our guest today is Rostam,

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Speaker 3: whose new album American Stories is out now, and who

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Speaker 3: you know from his three solo albums, for producing albums

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Speaker 3: for artists like him and Claro, and for being a

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Speaker 3: founding member of Vampire Weekend. He is one of our faves.

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Speaker 3: We loved talking to him, and we hope you love

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Speaker 3: listening to our conversation. So here is rostam.

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Speaker 1: Podcast starts. Now.

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Speaker 2: I went to a school where there's something called Red

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Speaker 2: versus Blue where it was like this like school wide,

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Speaker 2: like you gotta sign red or blue, and it was

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Speaker 2: like the school wide battle. Yeah, there was like Tug.

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Speaker 3: Of Wars sports. We had that too, Sure did you

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Speaker 3: have that?

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Speaker 1: You mean like field day? Sort of? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Basically basically field day. What you just did now was

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Speaker 3: actually toxic without you realizing it, which is please. You know,

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Speaker 3: Rassam and I come from immigrant background, so we for

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Speaker 3: us field day is like an American tradition that we

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Speaker 3: uh discovered and didn't know about. And then all that

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what is see, but the point

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Speaker 3: is then you're like, so it was fueled. This is

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Speaker 3: like when I didn't know what lacrosse was and then

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Speaker 3: someone was and I was like, look at this crazy

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Speaker 3: pole this guy is holding. And then someone was like,

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Speaker 3: you need to get your story.

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Speaker 1: You have too many contradictions. Ross, I'm already I'm a

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Speaker 1: man of contradiction.

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Speaker 3: That's true. Actually, I've noticed this lyrically in the album.

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Speaker 3: It's very dialectical. It's very like, well I believe this

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Speaker 3: thing except for the days I don't awesible.

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Speaker 2: Okay, time for.

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Speaker 1: This was the intro we actually started because I said

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Speaker 1: podcast arts. Now once it's said, it can't be un said. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: So now the podcast has begun. But don't worry. You

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Speaker 1: did skip the intro, which is mostly good because all

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Speaker 1: was going to be was me going, so, George, how

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Speaker 1: does it feel to be an Ellen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And then I would have said, oh, I'm staying in

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Speaker 3: a hotel where it was falsely advertise just having a pool,

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Speaker 3: but it turns out the pool is one foot long

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Speaker 3: and is purely decorative and it's just there for when

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Speaker 3: you have breakfast.

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Speaker 1: And then I would have said, well, it was still

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Speaker 1: very nice and actually remind me of Zipalite.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it sort of is like if you copied and

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Speaker 3: paste at a seaside hotel, but in literally Ti town in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it.

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Speaker 3: Sort of feels like being on a movie set. So

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Speaker 3: you're getting the Phi Los Angeles experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the smoking mirrors are right there.

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Speaker 2: First rule of Zipalites you can't talk about.

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Speaker 3: You should tell that to every gig guy I know,

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Speaker 3: because that's all they do is.

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Speaker 1: Talk about it. Well, never forget when the big New

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Speaker 1: York Times article came out that was like we found

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Speaker 1: it the best place on Earth, and then everyone was like,

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Speaker 1: But then I read that article and I was like,

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Speaker 2: So I did a trip with a handful of friends

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Speaker 2: December twenty nineteen. This is just before the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: And you brought COVID back.

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Speaker 2: No, we have a group chat that has survived since

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Speaker 2: this trip in twenty nineteen. Really, and it's interesting because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's there's like one couple that stayed together. There's one

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Speaker 3: With the couple that didn't stay together. Both of the

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Speaker 3: members are on the group chat or one of the and.

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Speaker 1: Are active on the group chat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, then they they actually live together in Spain now,

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Speaker 2: even though they're not together anymore.

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Speaker 1: Oh are they lesbians?

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Speaker 2: They are gay men, Okay, but they have ABI, they

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Speaker 2: have sensibility. Yeah maybe yeah, Well, gay.

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Speaker 3: Men with lesbian sensibilities could save the world if given

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Speaker 3: the opportunity. Well, journaling sometimes that I am.

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Speaker 2: I have a friend who told me is she collects

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Speaker 2: straight men with lesbian sensibilities?

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Speaker 1: Really interesting?

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Speaker 3: Is this friend a straight woman or a lesbian?

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Speaker 2: No, she's definitely on the pan spectrum.

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Speaker 3: No, there's only two options. She's on the pan spectrum.

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Speaker 2: Okay, definitely on the pan spectrum. And I really think

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Speaker 2: like mellow straight guys, which exists. Yes, it's like a flavor.

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Speaker 2: They're actually kind of wonderful to be around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I know. Like sometimes when I meet

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Speaker 1: like a real asshole straight guy, I'm like, now, finally

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Speaker 1: I know this is what I've heard of.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They don't come to me.

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Speaker 3: No, it's very rare that I meet them, And it's

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Speaker 3: usually like the husbands of girl.

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Speaker 3: You'll go to a wedding and you're like, oh, I

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Speaker 3: didn't know that all of you girls like go home

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Speaker 3: you like didn't know that there was another option. You

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Speaker 3: haven't met the lesbian straight guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're rare. They're rare that they are.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that much about Pokemon, but I feel

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's an idea for your friend who's on the

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Speaker 3: pan spectrum and collects lesbian straight eyes. She should, sorry,

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Speaker 2: They don't need to Like, they're very desirable, right for

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Speaker 2: I don't need those lesbian stream guys. They're they're doing great.

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Speaker 3: It going either way. Some women sorry to be like this.

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Speaker 3: Some women say they want a lesbian straight eye and

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Speaker 3: then keep dating sort of horrible straight eyes. Have you

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Speaker 1: Have you picked up on this trend?

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Speaker 2: I think that it's I see that it's quite I

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Speaker 3: It's the hardest thing you could possibly do, seems to

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Speaker 2: Data, yes, yeah, and it seems like when you cross

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Speaker 2: don't know, I don't feel like there's a big change.

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Speaker 3: Harder completely, to the point where I actually think there

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Speaker 3: should be awards, like it's so hard dating as a

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Speaker 3: for it, lists of the women that are doing it

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Speaker 3: the best. You know, maybe in like the pages of

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Speaker 3: Vulture in New York magazine or something. There should be

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Speaker 3: influencers that are just like, I'm a woman. That's enough

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Speaker 1: I will say there's a point against the lesbian straight guy.

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Speaker 1: It's sometimes you'll see a lesbian straight guy in a

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Speaker 2: Well but okay, but to be fair, how many gay

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Speaker 3: Completely it is. Remember Tory Peters, have you ever read

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Speaker 3: the author? Tory Peters wrote de Transition Baby.

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Speaker 2: I haven't read that, but I'm curious.

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Speaker 3: this theory that marriage, what was it, divorces lesbian?

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Speaker 3: Like because it is just like and actually this goes

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Speaker 3: when you're unhappy if you're in a monogamous relationship.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of people I don't

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Speaker 2: Because there are some people who say that there's like

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Speaker 2: and then we also those couples do exist that are

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Speaker 2: a lot of people, especially like straight people are there.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for them to conceive of a relationship that's open,

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Speaker 2: that is not like every flavor on your tongue at

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Speaker 2: every moment. It's like, oh, you get breakfast, lunch, and

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Speaker 2: dinner that isn't you know, I don't know where I'm

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Speaker 3: I see what you're saying. Non monogamy is a huge

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Speaker 3: new trend they are reading about in the New York Times,

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Speaker 3: and it's like the decision is like do I do it?

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Speaker 3: Do I buy the gear to go skiing do I

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Speaker 3: participate in this thing? And once I participate, there's no

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Speaker 3: going back, And I now identify as polyamorous or something.

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Speaker 2: Well, and also I think as a gay person, you

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Speaker 3: You get it from all sides, which is there's there's

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Speaker 1: It's still out there.

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Speaker 3: It's still out there. And then wait, what else?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people

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Speaker 3: But I think you're already way ahead of.

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Speaker 2: I would not understand like people who are HIV positive

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Speaker 3: And I'm with you, but imagine that someone saying, But

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Speaker 2: Point I was trying to make about the Mike Pence

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Speaker 3: That's a really good point. And I think asking doing

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So I also want to add to this,

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Speaker 1: All monogaos people I know are playing twister with anything.

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Speaker 3: Even frankly of the concept of losing your virginity?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so when did you lose your virginity? So you

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Speaker 3: We are addressed like the American flag honor of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, would you say it's your Joe Anne?

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's you gave yourself such a huge

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Speaker 2: And I actually, in the lead up to announcing my

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Speaker 2: What other flag can you think of that has been

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Speaker 3: The only one I can think of is how the

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Speaker 2: No, I haven't.

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Speaker 1: We are going to get in trouble for this as well,

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Speaker 3: There's like little circles that represent like intersex. I believe

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's kinks.

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Speaker 3: It's not kings. I don't think it's okay, sorry, then

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Speaker 2: I mean, can you figure out what that means?

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Speaker 2: Is that that a?

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Speaker 1: But I will say the joke I want to have

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Speaker 3: Cover releasing a special Pride edition of your album that's

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Speaker 3: an upside down rainbow flag.

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Speaker 2: Yes, now, now would be the time the clock is

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Speaker 1: Over, do you ever capitalize on Pride.

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Speaker 2: I haven't yet. I know you need to. I'm playing,

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Speaker 2: I'm playing actually a show in d C at the

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Speaker 2: nine thirty Club on d C Pride Saturday, June twentieth.

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Speaker 3: My god, this is your chance to connect with Mike

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Speaker 3: Pence and give him a big theory.

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Speaker 2: This is my chance to connect with my d C

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Speaker 3: So actually, well, all all, I do not say that

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Speaker 1: Why no, we have a we have a love hate

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Speaker 2: You got to understand, like I grew up in d

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Speaker 3: You know, It's like we find it fascinating because well,

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Speaker 3: and like dress shirt. What am I wrong? Total like hey,

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Speaker 3: guys that work in politics. And then the other element

442
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Speaker 3: of it.

443
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Speaker 2: Is, yes, you're explaining why khakis are a pant You

444
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Speaker 2: will never see me in Sure, I think I'm traumatized.

445
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Speaker 1: You'll see me in a khaki. You'll see me in

446
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Speaker 1: a khaki.

447
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: Wow, even when you're reclaiming Americana, you can't.

448
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Speaker 4: I know.

449
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.

450
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Speaker 2: Khakis. I don't know. It's just like a certain era

451
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Speaker 2: of my life. It's like a school. It literally was

452
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Speaker 2: a school uniforms.

453
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Speaker 1: Sure.

454
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Speaker 2: Sure, And there's so many versions of the khaki. You know,

455
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: it's like the Golden retriever where it's like, you know,

456
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: like there's really like Irish cream golden retrievers. That's like

457
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: it's like a status symbol. And similarly, I think with khakis,

458
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 2: like the lighter you go, it starts to become like

459
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: it represents, you know, your connection to Mike Pence.

460
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking next album cover, it's just a pair of khakis. Trauma.

461
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Speaker 3: Okay, here's a question for you. Speaking of khakis. In

462
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Speaker 3: your early career, A big part of the narrative around

463
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 3: your band was like that it was either ironically or

464
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: not ironically appropriate, reappropriating preppy aesthetics. Where do you stand

465
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Speaker 3: on that now?

466
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Speaker 2: I think that there's some things there are that will

467
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: always be cool about preppy style, and I actually think

468
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: some people say, now we're in this moment of resurgence.

469
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've read.

470
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Speaker 1: That to it. I think in a big way. I'm

471
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: going to gay parties where people are supposed to be

472
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: wearing tank tops and everyone's and Polos myself included.

473
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: Polo's huge comeback. I'm seeing Polo's at the club.

474
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: It's Polos and Penny loafers at the club.

475
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I actually went on record on another podcast,

476
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: How Long Gone, about how I just will never like loafers.

477
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: I actually did both, okay.

478
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: And I was so surprised to hear this.

479
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm just not a loafers.

480
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Speaker 1: If you had told me you were launching a line

481
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Speaker 1: of loafers, I believe you.

482
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Speaker 3: My line of.

483
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Speaker 1: Almost on the line about I think you loafer presenting.

484
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Speaker 3: Damn, I don't actually think your lofer presenting.

485
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Speaker 2: I think boat shoes are a different thing, but maybe

486
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: they are adjacent to So.

487
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: This is interesting because to me, boat shoes no matter

488
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: what I do, if I wear boat shoes, it looks lame.

489
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Speaker 3: I can't wear them ironically.

490
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Speaker 2: And that's how I feel about well in general, I

491
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Speaker 2: don't wear any clothes ironically.

492
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: But but but not ironically, but like.

493
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I don't look I just don't

494
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Speaker 2: look good in loafers. I think I just need more

495
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: of a heel, Like that's what I'm working with. I

496
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: need to like I feel planted in the ground.

497
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Speaker 1: I need to feel it's funny that there's.

498
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Speaker 2: Yeah that I need to feel like there's some rubber

499
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Speaker 2: in the ground.

500
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Speaker 3: This I'm seeing more and more of is larger and

501
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: larger souls?

502
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Speaker 2: Interesting? Should we do he for a segment? And this

503
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: is are we getting? Is this podcast going to get

504
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: edited to no?

505
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: No, no, not even a second of it. If there's

506
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: a long pause, you better believe we're keeping it in.

507
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 2: There's so much staff here. This is more staff than

508
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: I've ever experienced.

509
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 1: Please don't break the fourth wall like that with with

510
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: our with our staff. We are a humble, independent podcast

511
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: that's completely self produced.

512
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: This is squatters right, So we're not even part of

513
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: My Heart. I'm here. They don't know we have to

514
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 3: sleep here.

515
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: If you get here, can I learn more to this

516
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: this studio to being acquired by I Heart? Yeah, Like,

517
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: what's the origin story?

518
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 3: Like, give me the are you sort of implying that,

519
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 3: like we're not the kind of podcast that would be

520
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: did you expect more professionalism that would be in a

521
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 3: corporate conglomerate.

522
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: Actually saying this is the most professional podcast I've participated.

523
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: And you're yeah and that, But then the implication is

524
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: how did you get there?

525
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Speaker 4: No?

526
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Speaker 2: But like, what's the story?

527
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: It's our American story?

528
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: What's our American story?

529
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't have said it better myself.

530
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: You know, my parents grew up middle to working class

531
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: in Greece, and they never thought that they could have

532
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: a son that is a gay podcaster. That's not something

533
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: that they even allowed themselves to d know.

534
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: I was just a boy in rural towns all across America,

535
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, my parents picking up moving every two to

536
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: three years, And never in my life did I think

537
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: here I would be in Los Angeles, California, with the

538
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: lights shining bright on our unmake uped faces. How to

539
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: answer your question? Not really good? So basically I'm not

540
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Speaker 1: going to explain our story.

541
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Speaker 2: What Oh, well, you could cut it out.

542
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

543
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Speaker 3: Are you genuinely interested?

544
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: Boring? Oh?

545
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: No, we met we're stand up comedians. We met at

546
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: we met at comedy shows, and then in twenty nineteen

547
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: we were like, if we start a podcast, then we

548
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: can promote our shows and more people can come to

549
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 3: our shows. And then we started, then we started podcast

550
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: created an we literally have ruined our lives. And then

551
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: we started it by ourselves, who produced it by ourselves

552
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: for two years. Then we were acquired by Will Ferrell's

553
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: Big Money Players Network, which is of course the comedy

554
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 3: arm of iHeart Media.

555
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: Got you all right, And now we have a staff

556
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: of over thirty five people.

557
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 3: They are all unpaid and they do it for the

558
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: love of the game, and we tell them every they're

559
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, they're unpaid contractors. Every year we say, you know,

560
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: if you just keep at it, maybe you'll be hired

561
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: full time next year.

562
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Speaker 1: And it's sort of our thing now where we have

563
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: people on where we're like, wow, that'd be so awesome

564
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 1: to have them on, and then we don't ask them

565
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: any real questions.

566
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like that's this that's like twenty twenty six,

567
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: that's this house style for podcasts.

568
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: I know it's true, and I'm like, how do you

569
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: feel doing podcasts?

570
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: Are you like now we're getting too are.

571
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: You like, Jesus Christ, I have to go talk to

572
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: these like random asking what was.

573
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: When you woke up this morning? With your first.

574
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: One thing I like about How Long Gone is that

575
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 2: people will go on the show and if they're if

576
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: they're chill, they're just gonna let it. They'll take it

577
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 2: where the wind blows it. And then there are some

578
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: people that about halfway through they start to feel anxious

579
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: and you can tell you could feel it. They're like, wait,

580
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: why am I here? I need to talk about what

581
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm promoting. I can't just be talking about bullshit with

582
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: Chris and Jason for however many hours, and then it

583
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: becomes this like I have to promote myself. So I

584
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: here's what I feel about podcasts. I like doing it.

585
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: I like I'm conscious of this, Like you don't. You

586
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 2: don't need to promote anything. Just be yourself, you know.

587
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: I think that's what people want from a podcast, and

588
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: if they like who you are, that that incentivizes them

589
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: to seek out your work.

590
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: Sure, so he's not in his joy and he's just

591
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: born this way.

592
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: You're I would I would, I would like that you

593
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: are born this way than yourself and yourself.

594
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: Oh you're saying in the matter gay strad or bio lesbian,

595
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: transgender alive, I'm you're on the right track, baby, you

596
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: were born to survive.

597
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: Literally, I think so. I I think that's what I'm saying.

598
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying my thought on podcasts is be yourself.

599
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: Don't worry about everyone else is taken, don't worry about promo.

600
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, okay, there I've done like the kind of

601
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: like music podcast where you go in deep about the record,

602
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: and those are cool too, but we should just like

603
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: talk shit about whatever we want to talk about. Okay,

604
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 2: And if you guys want to talk about their record,

605
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: I'll talk about it for sure.

606
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: Okay, who's your favorite hym m?

607
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: This is a tough question.

608
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: You can take all the time you need.

609
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: We'll leave the time. We'll leave the empty space. Now, Okay,

610
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: we have We.

611
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: Talk about the hyms a lot on this podcast in

612
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 3: a loving way. To be clear, we're not setting you up.

613
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: We have this thing. We have this recurring game that

614
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: the listeners really love, where we it's sort of like

615
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Speaker 3: maryfuc Kill, but it's which hims sister is which thing,

616
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: So you'll be like, okay, father son, holy Ghost, which

617
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: one is SD, which one is Danielle, and which one

618
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: is Alana?

619
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Speaker 1: Wow.

620
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: And we have actually never met the hyms, even though

621
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Speaker 3: we've spotted. I think all three of them between the

622
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: two of us, I have.

623
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Speaker 1: Actually only spotted Danielle.

624
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Speaker 3: Danielle one of Danielle's big I'm stalking her for the well.

625
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: Danielle's job, she her primary job as a musician, secondary

626
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: job going to restaurants and being spotted. So and we

627
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: have been lucky enough to collaborate with her on that

628
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: and that we are the ones.

629
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: It takes two.

630
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Speaker 3: It takes two, so pretty much I think we because

631
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Speaker 3: you know the hymns and because you have insight that

632
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: we don't, we would be curious to get your take

633
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: on how we can be better about when we do

634
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: this game and if we are wrong about the personality.

635
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: So in our mind, what we what we think of

636
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: them as is Lana's the angeenue. You know, she's She's

637
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Speaker 3: a film.

638
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Speaker 1: Star, always getting in front of the caro camera.

639
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 3: Danielle is like the CEO. She has a spreadsheets, she's

640
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: on it.

641
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: She's like, you guys, we have to work.

642
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then SD stand up comedian super She loves

643
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Speaker 3: Chris Farley. She'll like make Molly Shannon sure. She's like

644
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: walking in her room and like Burp and it's like lol,

645
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: can you believe I just did that, and people are

646
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: and people like, oh my god, this is the Elton

647
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: John Amphar Gala. So so for example, like what's a

648
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: what's I will say Danielle is the most mysterious in

649
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: a way, and I think she cultivates that, whether it's by.

650
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: Mistake or design, but like she stays kind of.

651
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: Mysterious, okay, even to you.

652
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: Even to me whoa yes, And I think that does

653
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: go that that does go along with your CEO sort

654
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: of yes persona because it's because.

655
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: She's not giving a lot of herself away. She's behind

656
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: the scenes, making sure the right levers are.

657
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Speaker 2: Yes. I don't want to say too much, but I

658
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: think I think she has a she has a very

659
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: strong vision. Yeah, and that and that's not necessary. If

660
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: you go to a time show, you don't necessarily get,

661
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, like you're you see Alana and st who

662
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Speaker 2: are so talkative and bubbly and commanding the stage, and

663
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: and daniel commands the stage in a different way.

664
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Speaker 1: Which time would you call if you had a flat tire?

665
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: I think Alana because her boyfriend also likes cars.

666
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting outsourcing.

667
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: Women can't women cars. They don't have any practical skills.

668
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: All they know about his makeup and and you know, like.

669
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: I would say, I mean, I still pick Alana because

670
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: maybe you know, Jonathan can talk her through.

671
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: The Oh my god, you're giving yourself. Here's a question,

672
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: who would you call if you're like texting back a

673
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: guy have a crush on and you need help like

674
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: crafting the text?

675
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: Well, one time I was like, actually I went through

676
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: a breakup while we were making the last record. I quit,

677
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: and something Estie said to me which stuck in my

678
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: mind was everyone is in your life for a reason

679
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: or a season.

680
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: WHOA she's doing wordplay?

681
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: Well she's a comedian.

682
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, she was saying it serious seriously And actually

683
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: it was like kind of what I needed to hear

684
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: in that moment.

685
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: For a reason or a season?

686
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: Yes?

687
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: Which part resonated with you? Yeah?

688
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: Do you think that person that you had just broken

689
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: up with was in it for a reason or a

690
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: season or both? And also why can't it be both?

691
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Do you believe in the

692
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: reason or season? Binary? Yeah?

693
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: Like I like, I don't know that it's an exclusive binary.

694
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: You were hypnotized by the rhyming of it all, and

695
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: we're like.

696
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: Holy shit, Reasoner season I kind of was.

697
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: I kind of was, Okay, who would you call if

698
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: you needed help writing like the best Man speech, which.

699
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: Was three himes I actually did have. There was this

700
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: award show where I did present an award to the

701
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: Hymes and I actually had to write a speech about them.

702
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: Oh okay, chatchipt did you use quad or chatch?

703
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: No? No, But I talked about when I first met Danielle,

704
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: she was a member of Julian Casablancas, a solo band,

705
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: Julian Casablancas the listener of the Strokes.

706
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: I cannot believe you are explaining.

707
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: To me, but to the gas.

708
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: They are Indie rock ish gays.

709
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: Sure, but I'm trying to give it. I'm trying to

710
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 2: be inclusive here, Okay. So, so Danielle was a member

711
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: of Julian's band and she told me about there's this

712
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: era where Julian was like, I want to sign you.

713
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: I want you to be part of my project and

714
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: I want to sign you. I want to like collaborate

715
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: with you, like and definite kind of like I want

716
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: to lock it in. I believe in Danielleheim and she

717
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: had to be like hold on a second, there's this

718
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: band I have with my sisters that I want to

719
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: give that I need to give it a shot. Like,

720
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: I won't be able to sleep unless I just like

721
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: give this a shot. And I think they were playing,

722
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: like you know, they were playing at like the Silver

723
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: Lake Lounge at the time. They were like playing for

724
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: their friends. It wasn't happening yet, you know, it really

725
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: wasn't happening for them yet. And so I talked about

726
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: that in the speech, just like that. It's hard to

727
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: imagine a world where they didn't bet on themselves and

728
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: like didn't like but it was precarious for a second there.

729
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting to think about the moments where

730
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: people have to like make a choice and sometimes you

731
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: have to choose to bet on you whoa whoa.

732
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: You're being born this way, so born this way?

733
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

734
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: I think people are going to be inspired.

735
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: I think I am I am, I'm probably I'm probably

736
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: more of a born this Way than than an art pop.

737
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: There's some things I like about pop. I like that

738
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: song g u y that that's on our pop right Yeah,

739
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: yeah born this Yeah, Born this Way is pretty good.

740
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: I think yeah, Judas is underrated.

741
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: Well, Judas is in Yeah that is That.

742
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: Was like the comeback single.

743
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: Now yeah, it's my mom's favorite Lady Goat track.

744
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: Really, my I think when when Lady Gaga really hit

745
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: for me was the combo of Telephone followed by Bad Romance,

746
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: And it was both the songs and the videos where

747
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is just like another thing.

748
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: So you're like one of the no I'm I'm. You

749
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: have this double life where you are you are like

750
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 3: a solo artist, singer, songwriter, you like being in front

751
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: of the camera, and then you are also like a

752
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: pop producer sort of in the vein of various other

753
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: men that I won't mention. How do you navigate those

754
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: two identities.

755
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: I think I haven't done a great job of keeping

756
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: the garden tended to in terms of my artist project, okay,

757
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: because I think I've left people hanging for so long,

758
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: Like right now, I'm in the midst of a tour

759
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: and it feels like I'm just like starting from scratch

760
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: kind of because the last time I put out a

761
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: record was five years ago. But I think I'd like

762
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: to be better at balancing the two. But the reality

763
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: is both of them give me a lot of joy

764
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: working with working as a producer across like whole albums

765
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: with other artists. It's really fun for me to do it.

766
00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: It gives me something that making albums completely alone doesn't,

767
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: and vice versa. So like I just I like doing

768
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: both a lot, and I hope the rest of my

769
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: life I'll continue to do both. But I think I

770
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: could be better about keeping the artist project alive in

771
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: between albums. So that's my that's like my new goal. Okay, okay, Rostam.

772
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: We have a segment that's called Straight Shooters, and we

773
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: gauge your familiarity with In Complicity and straight culture by

774
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: asking you a series of rapid fire questions where you

775
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: have to choose this thing or this other thing. And

776
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: the one rule is you can't ask any follow up

777
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: questions about how the game works.

778
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: Did you say Incomplicity?

779
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: Is that question? Rosebud Thorn or Jason Bourne.

780
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: Rosebud Thorn wallowing in sorrow or swallowing your amorro.

781
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 3: Marrow sell out or getting out?

782
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, mixed and mastard or you bitch, you bastard, you.

783
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: Bitch, you bastard.

784
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: Venus de Milo or Jesus, that's Clara, Jesus, that's Clara.

785
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Phil Harmonic or phil Hartman.

786
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: Hartman, Gorganzola, Coca cola or areola? Is that three?

787
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to allow that question.

788
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it is three.

789
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: Coca cola, finding your voice or eyeing someone and saying

790
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: noise noise.

791
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, first of all, I think you did an

792
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 3: incredible job.

793
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was awesome, tried my best.

794
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: I like the part where you really touched your glasses.

795
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

796
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: No, you were really good at touching your glasses and

797
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: I and I also liked how when it was three

798
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: it threw you off yea because you were locked into two.

799
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: I you know, I was traumatized by this. There was

800
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: an era. I think this era has passed where my

801
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: dad instead of saying like, say cheese when he took

802
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: a photo, he would say gorgun zola in this way

803
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: that I was like, Dad, this is very not you

804
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: can you please never do this.

805
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: He he was trying on silly.

806
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: He's not normally silly, not really, it's not really his style.

807
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: That's scary. He just like thought it like it's like,

808
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: all get.

809
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: A type of cheese and it's a silly word. So

810
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: I think people were like there was like a moment

811
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: where people thought it was cool to say that to

812
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: get yes, and I thought that was very on my

813
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: dad behavior. My dad is in a trend, like he's

814
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: a he's a trend. Yes, absolutely, you're.

815
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: Like an acting professor. You're like, that's not you, that's honest.

816
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: That's how I felt about the gorgun Zola trend.

817
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: Hopefully Ross Meal shouldn't bring up the Gorgan's ultron. People

818
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: on social media have been going crazy when we mention that.

819
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Should we get into the topic? Yeah? Now, well, first

820
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: of all, we rd our guests on a scale zero

821
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: to one thousand dos based on the Lady on a

822
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: song one thousand doves, and I do believe that that

823
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: was nine hundred and eleven doves.

824
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 3: Wow, nine to eleven, never forget amazing.

825
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: That's the first time we've given that score. Yeah, because

826
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: we haven't wanted to touch that number.

827
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: This is a really provocative episode. Yeah, okay, so your

828
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: topic is monogamy or well.

829
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: One, that's one top topic one which we're not doing

830
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: we already. The other topic is.

831
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: Who drives in a straight copy? Yeah?

832
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was interesting because we started talking about it

833
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: before recording and I said, oh, of course, because the

834
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: man tries, and then you two both jumped down my

835
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: throat and said, not always.

836
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: Sometimes your mom driver, your dad, my dad. My dad

837
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: also drove, and my dad also drove.

838
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: Okay, but one of the straight couples that I'm closest

839
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: to the female in the relationship drive yeah, really, yes,

840
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: And there's no there's no weirdness about it.

841
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: And we already know it's not a lot on Jonathan

842
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: because he he wears the pants.

843
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not a lot of Is he European?

844
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. Half Ashkenazi, I think that is European.

845
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: Wow, half Alfskanazi is still European.

846
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: And she's half Filipina. Okay, so that's German.

847
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 3: Okay, so they're fully European.

848
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: Huh.

849
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: But you think it's no, I think it's so.

850
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: I just I just think that there are some couples

851
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: where that like the guy's just like, yeah, I'm not

852
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: good at driving. She's good at driving. She does the driving.

853
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: I don't like driving. It stresses me out.

854
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: In a weird way. In both options, the man comes

855
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 3: out on top. If if the man is the one driving,

856
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: that means he's in charge. If he's not the one driving,

857
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: it's like, Oh, he's a king and he's being driven.

858
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, I will say, like, sometimes he's driven me

859
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: and when I get in the car, he has Apple

860
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: Maps up, and I'm just like, oh, you want us

861
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: to die?

862
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: Sure? As opposed to Google Maps, Yeah.

863
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: Because Google Maps is trustworthy. Apple Maps will kill you.

864
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Apple Maps to have Apple Maps on. That means

865
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: normally the wife is driving and this is your first

866
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: time basically learning how to be behind the wheel, and

867
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: you just you just literally like Googled map and then

868
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: that's the first thing that came up.

869
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: I actually think that is true.

870
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: I will say it is an interesting part of being

871
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: in a gay relationship is that the gender does not

872
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: inform whether you do or don't.

873
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: Drive yes, or whether you do or don't do literally

874
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: anything else. Every single day you have to wake up

875
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: and reinvent the entire concept of being in a relationship

876
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: because you have no gender roles, no gender roles to

877
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: fall into.

878
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: But I also think my parents are an interesting example

879
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: because I feel like my parents didn't have necessarily traditional

880
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: gender roles like going on. I just feel like my

881
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: mom has like a much like stronger vision of and

882
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: it expresses herself much more bluntly than my dad in

883
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: ways that I think in some American families it's reversed.

884
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: Would you say your mom is more of a Danielle him?

885
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: No, not really, No, she's giving st booth. Oh you think, No,

886
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think my mom is like any

887
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: of the Heims. Oh, that's actually interesting.

888
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: That's weird because they contain all people. You have to

889
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: find the right combination.

890
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: Maybe now that you're actually you know, someone who's made

891
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: two albums with the Hymes, I can tell you. Maybe

892
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: that's not true.

893
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: Oh you think there's some other There could be a

894
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: fourth time sister.

895
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa of the three of us, which is which.

896
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: Based on your experience of us so far, and we

897
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 3: have only met in person today.

898
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: You're Alana, you're sc really a clocked Okay, I'll take it.

899
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: And so you're Danielle is of course the implication of that,

900
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: which I I agree with it to be clear.

901
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: Let's leave it at that. What more? What more could

902
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 2: we say?

903
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: No, it's true, it's true.

904
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: No, it's much more true.

905
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So gender roles driving?

906
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, yeah, you were on your mom Oh being blunt. Oh,

907
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: but sometimes this thing happens where in a straight relationship

908
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: the woman will like pop be so comfortable popping off

909
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: crazy because they're always sort of like, well, my man's

910
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: got me, like, have you ever seen this before?

911
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: Yes, that is I think I've witnessed that a little bit.

912
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: That is always interesting to me as a driver or

913
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: just as a person. Him talking about his mom being

914
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: generally blunt direct. I do feel like that is a thing.

915
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes the man is sort of like stoic and quiet

916
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: behind and then the wife is popping off all the time. Yeah.

917
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: I don't think that's exactly my parents either.

918
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: But just say it, your mom's popping off? What generals

919
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: when you're in a relationship do you take.

920
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: Oh, brother, I'm not I don't know. I'm not like

921
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: not super into gender as like a thing. I don't know.

922
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't really household rules do you take interesting?

923
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: I do like there's like a I have an kitchen

924
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: island my house, and I really like that island to

925
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: be clean. I don't like stuff just like hanging out

926
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: on the island.

927
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: Does that mean you clean it or does that mean

928
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: you just get mad when it's dirty?

929
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: I try my best to keep it clean, and my

930
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: parents have come and stayed with me in La and

931
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: they don't really they don't like to respect the house rules.

932
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: And it's tricky. You know, It's tricky because there's not

933
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: that many people that can get away with not respecting

934
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: your house rules.

935
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: But your parents are.

936
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: They can kind of do it. And you're just like,

937
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: what do I do now?

938
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: No, they can sort of do pretty much anything, and

939
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: then what are you going to do? Yeah, come out, Well,

940
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 3: they're only there for.

941
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: A little bit exactly.

942
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: You just got to swallow it.

943
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: Okay. I have a question for you, which is Sam

944
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: was making this point earlier when we were talking where

945
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: he was like, we just both read the Lena Dunham

946
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: memoir and there's a lot of like three of.

947
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: Us have read it. Then there well, and for before

948
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: you even say this point, I want to say once again,

949
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: thank you Dunham. At this this summer, you can talk

950
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: to any single gay guy on Earth and and they're

951
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: like struggling. You can be like did you read Famesick?

952
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: And they're like, I loved it, And then you're in

953
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: Jamia convo. It's like genuinely like the key to summer.

954
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: Interesting do you ever meet One of the biggest throwbacks

955
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 3: is when you meet someone still to this day that

956
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: is like, I don't know, she's annoying and you're like, hello,

957
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 3: we've been through past that years ago, anyway, keep going.

958
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: But the point is she's sort of reevaluating the period

959
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: of the twenty tens when she was like at the

960
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: peak of her fame. During that period, you were also

961
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 3: part of a general kind of Sure, a general scene

962
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: is not the right word, but like a cultural environment that,

963
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: if you wanted to be so completely completely reductive, you

964
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: would call indie hipster m and like it sort of

965
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 3: defined a certain kind of subculture of the twenty tens.

966
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you have enough distance from that

967
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: to be able to kind of analyze it from a

968
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: remove or is it? Did it hurt when I just

969
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 3: said the word hipster too? Yeah, you know what I mean.

970
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: It's hipster slur well hipster. Interestingly, some people define as

971
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: like co opting ethnic and gay trends. Sure, and for

972
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: someone who is both ethnic and gay, I feel like

973
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: you can't really, you can't really accuse me of being

974
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: a hipster. It's like it's all about like taking my

975
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: people's stuff and putting it in the mainstream. So yeah,

976
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about

977
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: the word hipster, but yeah, I don't feel any kind

978
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: of pains or pangs of anything. I think the thing

979
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: you're talking about is like this Brooklyn there was a

980
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 2: Brooklyn moment, yeah, of course.

981
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: And a dream of twenty eleven.

982
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: The dream of twenty eleven we always talk about.

983
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: I can longe Point and still be in the dream

984
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: of What is.

985
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: Our favorite video Solange at Lollapalooza.

986
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: No, No, it's on Pitchwork Fest. No, it's it's there

987
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: was like a free concert on the water sort of

988
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: in Williamsburg, like where like Smorgusburg is Yeah, like in

989
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: that like lot, and she is dancing to Grizzly Bear

990
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: and it's like such a.

991
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: And is it both songe Ambiace dancing to Grizzly Bear?

992
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: Like that dream really was something for us? Or for example,

993
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: I was living in San Francisco at the time. I

994
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: saw Charlie XX at the Chipotle Heritage Festival performing Boom

995
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: Clap Amazing.

996
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically we're sort of saying, isn't that weird?

997
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: That was the song she played for me before it

998
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: came out, And I think I was like I don't

999
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: know if I get this one. Another one was like

1000
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: same Old Love, which eventually was sung by Alena Gomez.

1001
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: That was a Charlie song.

1002
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean there's like I think they left

1003
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: part of her vocal in the song. Yeah, yeah, it's

1004
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 2: not a secret.

1005
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 3: And did you like that one or no?

1006
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: I said something like I'm so sick of the same

1007
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: old chorus. Damn, I really remember that. But there's other

1008
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: songs she's played me out like this is a hit. Yeah,

1009
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: she played me uh rock music the night before it

1010
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: came out, right, so I thought that was it.

1011
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 3: Have you seen the cover? I mean, I'm sure you

1012
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: have seen the cover of the new album. Yes, that's

1013
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: fun music, fashion film which one is Danielle which.

1014
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 2: You know what? I think it's pretty clear.

1015
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, film is Alana No.

1016
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: Interesting because it's a bit on the nose.

1017
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how they fit into that

1018
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: that that paradigm. But wait, there was another question that

1019
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: was asked that I don't think I answered. Wasn't there

1020
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: or should I not? Should I not? Pissed against the wind?

1021
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: About? Oh?

1022
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: About people and.

1023
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: Today's perspective.

1024
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about this last night because there's

1025
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 2: a moment in the book that really sent shivers down

1026
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: my spine, which was the moment where she and Jenny

1027
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: Connor are renegotiating their contracts with HBO and the way

1028
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: that it became this thing where like, oh, you're a

1029
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: part of this industry, you're in business, but you're also

1030
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: in business with your friends. And what's interesting, I think

1031
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: for me, as someone who makes music and collaborates in

1032
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: some way, shape and form on anything I do, even

1033
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: my own project, it you know, there's collaboration working as

1034
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: a producer for other people, it's constant collaboration, and I

1035
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 2: don't really have like I don't really work with anyone

1036
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: with whom I have a strictly professional relationship. So I'm

1037
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: constantly in business with my friends. And I think what

1038
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: was so scary about the way that that perspective Lena's

1039
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: looking back on renegotiating the contracts was it seemed like

1040
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: it was really hard for her to have like these

1041
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: internal boundaries, and I think she I think that she did.

1042
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: The way she recounts the story, Jenny does kind of

1043
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: come off as a villain, but I don't think it's

1044
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: quite as black and white in real life. Maybe I'm wrong.

1045
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: No, No, I think you're right that it's not as

1046
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: black and white and.

1047
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: I but I also felt this thing of just like

1048
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: oh and also how young she probably was. She must

1049
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: have been like in her Yeah, and I was in

1050
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 2: similar situations. Nothing nothing, There's nothing that I look back

1051
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: on with like this dread or bad feelings about. But

1052
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: just like, there is something scary about constantly having to

1053
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: navigate being in business with your friends and where are

1054
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: the lines between friendship and business? And I think like

1055
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: it it is something you It's kind of like a

1056
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: muscle you have to learn to, yeah, to like know

1057
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: how to use that muscle and not let things.

1058
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 3: Eat completely because it actually isn't. I think the language

1059
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 3: of boundaries weirdly is not the.

1060
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: Right metaphor for interesting, because there.

1061
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: Isn't a bound I mean Sam and I are in

1062
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 3: business together and negotiate contract. There's no way that I

1063
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: can be like, well, that's my boundary and if you

1064
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 3: cross it, then there's it's a non starter from there.

1065
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: I actually think boundary culture is deeply flop era right now.

1066
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: I think people misunderstand what boundaries are and just think

1067
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: it's so important to be putting up boundaries, and it's like, right,

1068
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: it is, but it's also a negotiation always. You can't

1069
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: just put up a wall. You have to have like

1070
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: a conversation no matter what.

1071
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think one thing that's important about boundaries is

1072
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: like boundaries is not don't call me after eight o'clock. Yeah, right,

1073
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: it's I'm not going to pick up if you call

1074
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: me after eight o'clock, and then when you do, I

1075
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 2: don't pick up. It's something that you have to actually maintain.

1076
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: You have to maintain that boundary. Like I think, I

1077
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: think you're right. I sem I agree with you about

1078
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: boundary culture being a flop, but I think it's because

1079
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: people don't really understand what boundaries are and what they're not.

1080
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: And like holding what I think about is like having

1081
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: like a very gentle but firm grip and being kind

1082
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: of unshakable and just being like I don't agree. I

1083
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: see where you're coming from, but I don't agree. Yeah,

1084
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: and then and then it's like, okay, so what are

1085
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: the next steps? And I think that, Yeah, just to

1086
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: take it back to the Jenny and Lena thing, it's

1087
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: like like they never had that, they never had the

1088
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 2: next steps, right, It was just like they never got

1089
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: to have a real conversation.

1090
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 3: It's kind of also an unspoken power dynamic of Jenny

1091
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: being the older and more experienced one, also Lena being

1092
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: like the whatever, what is it the hen that lays

1093
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: the golden egg? Yeah, they aren't. For example, the difference

1094
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: between that and like me and Sam is that we are,

1095
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: if nothing else, coming at it as complete equals, whereas

1096
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: it is a different thing. One of them is the

1097
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: face of the project and the one getting all the attention,

1098
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 3: and the other one is quote unquote.

1099
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: The adult in the room.

1100
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: But then they also are identifying as best friends. How

1101
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: would you even go about setting boundaries in that situation?

1102
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: Well, I think you could. I think you could. I

1103
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: think I feel like what they needed to do is

1104
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: like sit like because they It's interesting because eventually they

1105
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: do sit with a couple's therapist mediator type person. They

1106
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: should have maybe sat with that type of person in

1107
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: that moment where they were negotiating their contracts and they

1108
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: should have been able to have someone that would facilitate communication.

1109
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: That's what they really needed. I think they needed to

1110
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: go to a couple's therapy in that moment as opposed

1111
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: to like cause because maybe that's something of an inflection

1112
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: point where after that, like the relationship.

1113
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: The whole book, I was so hashtag team Lena. I

1114
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: was on her side the whole time. And then it

1115
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: gets to the part where she brings the new old

1116
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: ass dog to set, and I was like, Okay, now

1117
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: this part I would be pissed off.

1118
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's what's so beautiful about her is that

1119
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: she also sleeps with five pigs in her bed. Like

1120
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: it's like, you can't have one without the other. You

1121
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: actually can't have the genius for writing without her bringing

1122
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: a deathly ill doc to set.

1123
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: I will say something that happened to me recently, like

1124
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: maybe two nights ago. I was watching the season finale

1125
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: of Euphoria and I fell asleep for the last fifteen minutes.

1126
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: And you know how sometimes you start waking up and

1127
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: already like HBO Max is serving you the next thing,

1128
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: and you're like, wait, what, Like what am I seeing?

1129
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: So HBO Max decided to serve me up Girls season one,

1130
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: episode one, yeah, the pilot, and I was like, oh, yeah,

1131
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: like I just I just listened to the Lena's Book

1132
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: on tape. I'm gonna take a watch, Like it was

1133
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: interesting to me, like that episode has a lot of

1134
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: kinks in it. That first episode. Yeah, it wasn't how

1135
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 2: I remembered. I remembered it super tight, Like, yeah, there's

1136
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: things that are quite awkward. There's things that they were

1137
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: still like figuring out.

1138
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: That's so funny because I had the opposite experience where

1139
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 3: I remember it being so mumblecore and it's just conversations

1140
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: than anything goes, and then viewing it again with the

1141
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: eye of structure, I was like, whoa, it is doing

1142
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: such a good job of establishing exactly what each person's

1143
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: motivations are, what is standing in her way? How is

1144
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 3: she You know where she is in the beginning versus

1145
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: where she is at the end. But I don't what

1146
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 3: you guys have different ideas, But what is your idea?

1147
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: I think you're both right.

1148
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: Do you revisit your work from that time?

1149
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: It's funny like I was, I was on a kcr

1150
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: I visited KCRW the radio station, and they were playing

1151
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: like before they interviewed me. They were playing some songs

1152
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: that I had produced in my career and I literally

1153
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: hadn't heard them a couple of them in like decade

1154
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: or two, And I was like, oh, this came out

1155
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: pretty good. But there is a thing where, like when

1156
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: you're finishing an album, you start to attach a lot

1157
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: of stress to the completion where you're just like, I

1158
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: really want to get this right, and you have to

1159
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: listen to it so many times that you kind of

1160
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: like you can't have any objectivity, and it's just all

1161
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: the colors start to turn into gray and you're like, oh,

1162
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. I don't feel necessarily

1163
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: connected to that anymore. I don't know what that is.

1164
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: And then you just have to wait, you know, and

1165
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: it's like you kind of forget, forget what it was,

1166
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: and then you hear it again you're like, oh, that's

1167
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: that's pretty good.

1168
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: Well the longer time. Because I had this experience, I

1169
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: was I put out a comedy special, and imagine doing that,

1170
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: but for jokes that are supposed to be funny, and

1171
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: you have to listen to them and watch them literally

1172
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: like fifty seven times, obviously they're not going to be.

1173
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: It's like repeating a word and then it sounds weird

1174
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: in your head because you've repeated it so many times.

1175
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: But I actually think what waiting does is all your

1176
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: ties to it get cut, so then you can actually

1177
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: view it as an objective quasi objective viewer because you

1178
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: have new context for it and you can be like, oh,

1179
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: this is pretty good.

1180
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1181
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 3: I was just that the riyal O Kylie reunion tour amazing,

1182
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: and it made me think that all these bands from

1183
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: that era are like revisiting. Well, do you have any

1184
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: desire not to wait, not not, That's not where.

1185
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I actually I want to. I want to

1186
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: tell like a there's like a story that's related to

1187
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: Girls Rileo Kylie and my career as a producer that

1188
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: I wanted to tell let's hear it. But do you

1189
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: want me to answer your question?

1190
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 3: I just I think you've you're you're someone who's incredibly

1191
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 3: prolific and is always like moving forward and doing something new.

1192
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: I think you're not reheating your own nachos, to use

1193
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: today's parlance. But I'm wondering if you ever have the

1194
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 3: desire to either completely revisit old work in the sense

1195
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: of for the tenth anniversary, have an album, doing like

1196
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 3: a tour for it or something, or reinterpret it, do

1197
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: like Rostam's version, do like a quasi remix album or something.

1198
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: Like that or are you just not interested in the

1199
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: past at all.

1200
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't come down hard and fast.

1201
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: It's not a binary for me.

1202
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: So it's not reason or season exactly.

1203
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: So what is a story about James Jenny Lewis?

1204
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: Jenny Lewis is somebody that I like got to know

1205
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: and like, what is it? Maybe own nine to ten?

1206
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: And I remember she asked me. No one had ever

1207
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: asked me this before. She was like, will you come

1208
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: play keyboard in a recording session for me? I really

1209
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: thought about it, and I was like, I don't really

1210
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: do that, Like I don't think I'm that person. And

1211
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: so I was like, I don't think I'm the right

1212
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: person to do that, but let me. Let me write

1213
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: a piece of music and send it to you and

1214
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: maybe we can turn that into a song. And so

1215
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: like a year later, I did write a piece of

1216
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: music with Jenny and mine. I sent it to it.

1217
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: I sent it to Jenny. She came up with a

1218
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: top line right away, like within a few days, and

1219
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: we recorded it and it it was Isn't a closing

1220
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: track of an episode of Girls Wait, which song is

1221
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: called completely not Me?

1222
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 3: And it never ended up being on a Jenny Lewis album.

1223
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: It was never on an album. It was just on

1224
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: the Girl's soundtrack. Whoa, So you go dig up that song.

1225
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: It's it's a really good song. I love it. I'm

1226
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: proud of it.

1227
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I love Jenny Lewis. That's all I'm to say

1228
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 3: about that.

1229
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: That's all I have to say about that.

1230
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: Do you guys add music to pod to the podcast? Like,

1231
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: could someone play?

1232
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

1233
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could put I think if we play, like

1234
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 3: if we play only a small clip of.

1235
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: It, that'd be nice.

1236
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we will do it. And now it's

1237
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: gonna be on the closing credits of Straighter Labe years later.

1238
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. There is one episode of Girls that I do

1239
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 2: think really stands the test of time, which is the

1240
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: Panic in Central park Y.

1241
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: Yes.

1242
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just listened to Chris Abbott on Samford

1243
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: Goss's podcast.

1244
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 3: And I just saw him on stage, don't.

1245
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: I went to see that recently too.

1246
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 3: He's so good in it, so good. He's like an

1247
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: incredible talent.

1248
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: Incredible. But that was another thing about watching the pilot.

1249
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: He's so different. Yeah, his energy is so different in

1250
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: that ship.

1251
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. I'm sure we know we know

1252
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: some of the people that the girls characters are based on,

1253
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: not to put too fine a point on it, interesting

1254
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 3: and it is like so funny now to look back

1255
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 3: and be like, so this is who that was.

1256
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hannah's sty.

1257
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: Actually don't know if I might not be in that

1258
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: scene camp. I didn't go to San Ans.

1259
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 3: I didn't go to Yeah, I don't know who.

1260
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean.

1261
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 3: Marnie is famously based on Audrey Gellman, who we know?

1262
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: Who's that?

1263
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 3: All right?

1264
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't actually know. I mean, I've heard the name, but.

1265
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: I haven't even heard the name.

1266
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 3: It's my first time hearing she's the founder of the wing.

1267
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: We're going to cut this, I guess I do remember

1268
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: that happening.

1269
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: And then wait, we're allowed to be like, we're going

1270
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: to cut this. Yeah, yeah, you guys. You guys have

1271
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: stradio loud privileges.

1272
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: This is one of our biggest disagreements. Is I love

1273
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: to keep in the parts where we're flopping the most.

1274
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not flopping. I'm just talking about people.

1275
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to say anything about flopping.

1276
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: Roston said you were flopping. We cut it out. We

1277
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: cut it out, but he said it. He said it.

1278
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 3: Really since we're not since all this is going to

1279
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 3: be cut out, are there any questions you want us

1280
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 3: to ask you that we haven't.

1281
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: Asked since it's gonna get cut out? Not really?

1282
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't love it when like podcast

1283
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: enter promo mode.

1284
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: Now.

1285
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so funny because we were thinking about we

1286
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: were like we respect you and were like Rossam's here

1287
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 3: from an album, and we both did way more research

1288
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: than we normally would do for an episode. I was

1289
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 3: reading literally like a New York Mac profile of you

1290
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 3: from twenty seventeen, Wow, where the entire it was premised

1291
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: around in the beginning of the profile you're holding a

1292
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 3: mug and by the end you're not holding it and

1293
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,959
Speaker 3: you were outside. And the person writing the profile, who's

1294
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 3: actually a friend of mine, is like, where did the

1295
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 3: mug go? But Rosstam had to run off so I

1296
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 3: couldn't ask him.

1297
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: Well, that's so interesting because even in this recording he

1298
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: has a mug.

1299
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's still there. So they can disappeared at

1300
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 3: a time.

1301
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: Because I know that We'll say, like definitely, there was

1302
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 2: like a vibe around the profiles of me from twenty

1303
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: seventeen where they're like he doesn't know what he's gonna do,

1304
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: Like he's a journeyman. He's like lost, he just left

1305
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: Vampire Weekend. Who is he? We don't he doesn't know

1306
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: who he is. He doesn't know what he's going to do.

1307
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: And that was like, Okay, I did it for ten years.

1308
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: Now people write about me in a different.

1309
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 3: To which, well, now it's like he's finally ready to

1310
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 3: talk about Vampire Weekend. Which did you notice we have

1311
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 3: not mentioned that we have not said the words Vampire

1312
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 3: week in this entire time because we were.

1313
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: Like, we were like, what if what if he gets

1314
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: mad at us? No?

1315
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't absolutely.

1316
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: And we don't even have a reason why we think

1317
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 3: you would get mad. We were we just don't know

1318
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 3: our place to say the words Vampire Weekend. It's like,

1319
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 3: if you want to bring it up, it's like if

1320
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 3: it's like being gay and going to the family reunion

1321
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 3: and everyone being like so.

1322
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: Accepting but not enjoying New York.

1323
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is code for did you get fucked at

1324
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: the Big Brunch?

1325
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, the Big Brunch, which also has a dark group.

1326
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 3: Even when I was like yes, exactly when I was

1327
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 3: trying to navigate, ask me if you would ever like

1328
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: do a do a reunion tour. But I was like,

1329
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: but that's not what I mean, That's not what I mean.

1330
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: That's even being so weird about it.

1331
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been weird about it.

1332
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: Could we have asked you anything that would make you mad?

1333
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1334
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 2: Mm, probably not. I feel like I'm I'm I'm in

1335
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: my zen era. You are in your zen I'm unflappable.

1336
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 3: You feel like you were ever not in your zen era?

1337
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: When were you flappable? I think?

1338
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: I mean I think yeah, I definitely was. Yeah, there

1339
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: was thing, there's an air, there's eras in my life

1340
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: where I was much less secure. I think I I

1341
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: like found security in the last like ten years. Honestly,

1342
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: I think like leaving Vampire Weekend was important in that

1343
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: and making a choice of just like I actually like

1344
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 2: not being connected to anything so explicitly, like it's kind

1345
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: of scary for a second, but I was like, no,

1346
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 2: this is like, this is like you know what is

1347
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: right for you? You know.

1348
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: I think that's maybe what I was trying to get

1349
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: at with the like twenty tens. How Vampire Weekend meant

1350
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 3: something so specific in the twenty tens. Yeah, And I

1351
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: would imagine that leaving regardless of any sort of specific

1352
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 3: or personal things with the band, it was just being

1353
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: suffocated by that context. You are something that is emblematic

1354
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 3: of that era, and now you are free to be

1355
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 3: any other sort of thing you want to be.

1356
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I see where you're coming from.

1357
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if I fully resonate with it. I

1358
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: also feel like for me, like one thing that I

1359
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: love doing, which I didn't get to do too much

1360
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: in my twenties but have done a lot of in

1361
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: my thirties is working with women. And like, I like,

1362
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: most of the records that I've made in the last

1363
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: decade have been with women, and I love being able

1364
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: to do that. And I almost felt like I was

1365
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: like lying to myself or something not doing that. I mean,

1366
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: I love I've always loved music made by women. I

1367
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: love working with women completely. Like to go back to

1368
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: my thing, like I'm not I don't know, I'm not

1369
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: super into gender in that way.

1370
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: Like, well, you were also being like in a weird

1371
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: way erased when it was like Weekend white Band, Vampire,

1372
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 3: Weekend White Straight.

1373
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: I problematized, but also as we're being Jewish, was like

1374
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: people were like exactly. It's like people would erase that too,

1375
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 2: so like the more the complexities were, we're more like

1376
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: but but we knew that, and and we kind of

1377
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: like play like it. Well, we were like, yeah, let

1378
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: them think what they wanted totally, and and some people

1379
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: got it and some people were not able to.

1380
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 3: I remember having arguments about this like at the time

1381
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 3: because I was one of the people who got it.

1382
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: Not to be a bit well, of course, no, I

1383
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: It's it's so funny here, like what what years of

1384
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: your life was like eight the first album came the

1385
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: first time I waked an album came out my first

1386
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 1: year of college.

1387
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: Cool.

1388
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I got a leak of it,

1389
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: and we were like me and my we went to UVA,

1390
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: which is pretty like.

1391
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 2: Freddy, you don't need to tell me about it of

1392
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 2: my graduating class went to uv right.

1393
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: And so it was like we were like in the

1394
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: alt crowd, and so when that came out, we were like, fuck,

1395
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: we're like the only people who get this, and.

1396
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: Then everyone else is on the lacrosse team.

1397
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: Literally, But then you know, of course hips you know

1398
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: that era. Then it did just become sort of you know,

1399
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: the moment they're blasting passion pit at the frat house.

1400
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: I was like, my culture, Like, I was hard.

1401
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 2: I see why you will never let go of khakis.

1402
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 3: You know what's what I imagine is hard about.

1403
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: Wait, and what was your college experience?

1404
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 3: Well, I unfortunately the first time I saw you, guys, what.

1405
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 2: I just meant in general and I didn't need to

1406
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: keep talking about well, I want to.

1407
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 3: Know you at Coachella in twenty fourteen, twenty either twelve

1408
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 3: or thirteen it was Modern Vampires.

1409
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: Yes, that was thirteen. Yeah, I didn't even know what

1410
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 2: Coachella was when we hit the stage in like, I

1411
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: feel like it was eight or nine. Yeah, we got

1412
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 2: on stage at Coachella and I was like, what the

1413
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: fuck is this? You know, I've never heard of this.

1414
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 2: I can't believe.

1415
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 3: I I can't believe I'm even going to say what

1416
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 3: I'm about to say. But early Coachella was good. It

1417
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: was like it was so I mean, I don't know

1418
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 3: what it was like for you as an artist. I'm

1419
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 3: sure it was such a mind fuck and there's too

1420
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: much going on and it's like too many stimuli. But

1421
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: as an attendee, I'm like, wait a minute, I get

1422
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 3: to go from tent to tent and see all my

1423
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 3: favorite musicians and pre instagram pro all that stuff. It

1424
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 3: was just like music fans.

1425
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: I think that there's always gonna be something kind of

1426
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 2: cool about Coachella, Like no matter what, no matter who

1427
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: the headliners are, no matter if you're into it or not,

1428
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: there's always gonna be something kind of.

1429
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: Cool about it.

1430
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 3: I mean, let's hope.

1431
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: So this is a hot take.

1432
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: It's a hot take. There's some flavor from the original

1433
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: early days that.

1434
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 3: Well, yes, and I think a big part of it

1435
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 3: is that they still get good musicians. The rest of

1436
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 3: it can be completely all like branded ai. You know,

1437
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 3: every tent is sponsored by a different you know bank

1438
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 3: that only does business in Israel. But then at the

1439
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 3: core of it, it's still gonna be good music. And

1440
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 3: that's I think what.

1441
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: I remember that year twenty thirteen, they were like, you

1442
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: guys got the sunset slot and we were like, oh cool,

1443
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: and you're opening up for the Rolling Stones and you're like, oh,

1444
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: that's amazing. You were there, so you know that Actually

1445
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: what happened. It ended up being like the Rolling Stones

1446
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: had to pull out for some reason.

1447
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: Right.

1448
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: I was about to say, I don't remember the Rolling

1449
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:14,959
Speaker 3: the Red Hot Chili.

1450
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 2: Peppers took their spot. And then because for some for

1451
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: whatever reason, because the Red Hot Chili Peppers took the

1452
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone spot, one of Nick Cave's two bands, which

1453
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: were both playing at Coachella, for whatever reason, took up

1454
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: the space between Us and the Chili Peppers, So we

1455
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 2: kind of went in. It was sold to us. It's

1456
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 2: like you're opening for the Rolling Stones. And then when

1457
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: all the when the Cookie crumbled, it was just like.

1458
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: You have the four pm slot.

1459
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 2: No, it was still like the sun down the sundown

1460
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: at Coachella. This is like so dusty that like the

1461
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 2: sun is that is kind of gray.

1462
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1463
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes, have you ever done Sasquatch?

1464
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 3: Yes, because I saw the first time I ever saw

1465
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 3: him was at Sasquatch and they did you know the

1466
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 3: Gorge the Big Day.

1467
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 2: I actually I did it as Rostam. It was one

1468
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 2: of my best shows ever.

1469
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 3: And that was when I fell in love with because

1470
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 3: I it was they only had that one first album

1471
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 3: and they basically just did that album like from beginning

1472
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: to end, although they didn't do the title track, which

1473
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 3: I thought was an insane decision. But neither here nor

1474
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 3: There anyway you should go. How am I there?

1475
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 4: Wow?

1476
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: Shout out?

1477
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: Shoot am I was? I remember hanging out with her

1478
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 2: a little bit at Coachella that first Coachella eight I

1479
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: think it was eight. Take me back.

1480
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh god, you know.

1481
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 3: We're doing We're doing nostalgia for the hips.

1482
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: And thank you for allowing us to do that. We

1483
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: both wanted to so bad, but we were like, don't

1484
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: be nostalgic, don't be nostalgic, and then we did. Anyway,

1485
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: let's war our final segment. Our final segment is called

1486
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: shout outs, and in the grand straight tradition of the

1487
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: radio shout out, we will shout out anything that we

1488
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: are enjoying. People, places, things, ideas. We make them up

1489
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: on the spot and we go first, and then you

1490
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: will do one. George, do you have one?

1491
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 3: Let me think, Let me think, let me think you

1492
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 3: have one?

1493
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: Sure? What's up? Freaksluses and perverts around the globe. I

1494
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to the new Kim

1495
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: Petris album. Oh you know, this girl has been through

1496
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: hell and back and we have been there for every

1497
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: single second of it. And you know when someone has

1498
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: this sort of ups and downs, you say, what the

1499
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: hell's going on over there in that camp, and you

1500
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: get start to get worried and you say, I'm worried

1501
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: that no one's in charge over there. And then the

1502
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: new album comes out and you listen to it and

1503
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: you go, wait, she kind of did it. It's like

1504
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: really good, it's fun, it's different, She's still herself. I'm

1505
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: saying thank you. I'm saying you have your head on straight.

1506
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying I get it. You know, sometimes it just

1507
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 1: takes a second for your head to get back on straight.

1508
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: And I want to say when people are generally disrespectful

1509
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: of her, they need to take a second and reflect

1510
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: because she has done a lot and just because maybe

1511
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: it's not in the traditional this clean album format that

1512
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: they think it's not as good, but it is as

1513
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: good and you need to respect her and she is Queen.

1514
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: Shout out Kimpetrist xoxo Sam.

1515
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 3: Well you guys, I want to give a shout out

1516
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: to the company Alex Mill. You make the worst clothes

1517
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 3: I've ever experienced in my life. It's actually crazy. They're

1518
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 3: made of tissue paper. I bought this shirt a week

1519
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 3: ago because once again I decided to give you a

1520
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: chance after being betrayed by you multiple times over the

1521
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 3: last fifteen years. But I really wanted a bright red

1522
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: shirt and I bought this one. The buttons are fully

1523
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 3: coming out. It's been a week. I keep ironing it

1524
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 3: and then it becomes crinkly all over again. It looks

1525
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 3: cheap as hell. And basically what I want to shout

1526
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 3: out is like to know that your products are so bad,

1527
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 3: but have the confidence to be like, we're basically Prada.

1528
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 3: Just like we're going to pay off men's or influencers

1529
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 3: to pretend our product is good. We're gonna advertise in

1530
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 3: this kind of orally color blocked way where it makes

1531
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 3: everything look better than it actually is. Is it really

1532
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 3: inspires me to get out there and be mediocre but

1533
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 3: sell myself harder than ever before.

1534
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: WHOA, I gotta say the color is nice, it's bright.

1535
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 3: At least they have that going for them.

1536
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,839
Speaker 2: I would like to shout out Pluribus, which I binged

1537
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: really hard, and I binged it so hard that I

1538
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 2: kind of forgot how much I liked it. And as

1539
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 2: I was driving here, I saw a billboard for it

1540
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh wait, I really loved Clurbis

1541
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 2: And interestingly, to tap back to Zippolite. I watched most

1542
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: of it in a hotel room in Zippolyte.

1543
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: Oh.

1544
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 2: I was just kind of in the mood to binge

1545
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: something at the end of the year, and it kind

1546
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: of hit me in the perfect time and also kind

1547
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 2: of like the perfect place because it's kind of like,

1548
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, like this isolated.

1549
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people in z police are

1550
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 3: in the mood to binge, if you know what I mean.

1551
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: Rust, I met you in z Pilita once.

1552
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I was I wearing clothes you had it's on?

1553
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so it was nighttime and we were at

1554
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: a house. Okay, yeah, well right.

1555
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: Did you.

1556
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 2: Is that because I do? I do like not wearing clothes.

1557
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:13,440
Speaker 1: It's really yeah.

1558
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like I didn't like, this is

1559
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: all gonna get cut anyway.

1560
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, this is the trailer.

1561
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: I think.

1562
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 2: I think it was like in twenty fourteen where my

1563
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 2: friend Sam took me to the beach in Provincetown where

1564
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 2: you can take your clothes off if you want. There's

1565
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: no pressure too, And I was just like, I was

1566
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I like being at the beach, and

1567
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: I haven't liked being at the beach. Ever, like the beach,

1568
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 2: what is good about the beach? But then it's when

1569
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: you add like, okay, you can get naked, You're like, okay, wait,

1570
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 2: there's things you could do at the beach, but they

1571
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 2: are fun. And then then what what's interesting for me

1572
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: is like I don't really like going to a beach

1573
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: that you can't get naked at because it's like if

1574
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 2: you if you like being naked and swimming naked, it's like,

1575
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 2: why would you settle for like the other version of it.

1576
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 1: No, I'm pretty much addicted to going to every single

1577
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: nude swimming location in the world.

1578
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 2: I think it's a good it's a healthy addiction, you know.

1579
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 3: I think what it is for me is growing up

1580
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 3: going with my family constantly that I just it's hard

1581
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 3: for me to like then read oh, you.

1582
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 2: Went to nude beaches with your family.

1583
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 3: That is I did, But it is a thing that is.

1584
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: Like German family, No grows like a whole thing like

1585
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: free corporate culture or whatever.

1586
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 3: I know, if anything, it was the opposite. It was

1587
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: like we were in normal beaches and then occasionally you

1588
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 3: would see some of the moms topless, and it was

1589
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 3: very much like something other moms did that our mom

1590
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 3: did not, And maybe I'm now realizing that is my

1591
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 3: suspicion of nudity at beaches still to this day, is

1592
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 3: like they were like marginalized when I was a kid.

1593
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 2: Intus, Well, the first thing you've never gotten naked on

1594
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: a beach?

1595
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 3: I mean I have, like on Fire Island. But to

1596
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 3: be honest, it doesn't make like it. It doesn't make

1597
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 3: me feel more free. It makes me be like, oh

1598
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 3: my god, my dick is out. Oh my god, oh

1599
01:17:59,320 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 3: my god.

1600
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: Well if somebody's like even if you don't you're with,

1601
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: is it like more so you're self conscious with friends

1602
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: or like even with strangers.

1603
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 3: No, I don't care about strangers, but it is with friends.

1604
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: I monk, I don't like being naked in front of

1605
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 3: my friends.

1606
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: Was naked in front of my friends and I was like,

1607
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: this is a bit weird at first, but you also

1608
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: get used to it within twenty minutes.

1609
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I haven't allowed myself to get used

1610
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 3: to it.

1611
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's like one of those things

1612
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: like it's not weird if everybody's getting naked.

1613
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 3: You're saying, of course it's weird if it was for

1614
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 3: me interesting.

1615
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: Well, Rostam, thank you so much for doing the podcast.

1616
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 2: Was such a delan you guys for getting naked. Course,

1617
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: it's only fun if everyone does.

1618
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: This was the most emotionally raw episode yet.

1619
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was amazing. Much like Ross's album American Stories.

1620
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 4: Now.

1621
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 3: I saw that you're in New York. You're doing a

1622
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 3: show in New York.

1623
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm playing at Webster Hall.

1624
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come with.

1625
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: Jayla and Henry Solomon.

1626
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 3: I think you said Jalo first.

1627
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: I know it's like cool you bok you do love

1628
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: women's singers. Huh z s e l A.

1629
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: She's a woman singer and she may or may not

1630
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: be my pan friend who likes.

1631
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: To show get into her brothel of lesbian straight guys.

1632
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: Very cool guys, always, very cool guys.

1633
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: Damn huge.

1634
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 3: Okay, bye, thank you guys,