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Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Then we came

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Speaker 1: back around again, we did was it originally titled Friend

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Speaker 1: to Die For? Or Death of a Cheerleader?

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Speaker 2: It was originally titled a friends Really it was that

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Speaker 2: was the opposite. And then I think, when I want,

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Speaker 2: I may be wrong about this, but I think when Lifetime,

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Speaker 2: when it aired on Lifetime, they renamed it Death of

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Speaker 2: a Cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, okay.

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Speaker 2: Because what I watched last night had all the original

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Speaker 2: credits and it was a front to Die For. So

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Speaker 2: I have to say that it's a really good little movie.

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Speaker 2: It really is, And there's so many talented people. And

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Speaker 2: now when they make TV movies, because they're so cheap

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Speaker 2: about it, they like barely have any supporting characters. There's

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Speaker 2: just like the two leads and then like barely they

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Speaker 2: barely give anyone else any kind of arcs or development.

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Speaker 2: And there was a cast of characters who were all

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Speaker 1: It never happens, wes.

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Speaker 2: Like I know, it never happened. So it was so

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Speaker 2: nice to watch it and be like Wow, this was

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Speaker 2: this really good little movie, and you were you were

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Speaker 2: actually It's it's interesting because you were actually you were

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Speaker 2: actually likable too. I feel like your character wasn't one dimensional,

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Speaker 2: wasn't just like just the bitchy girl. Like your character

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Speaker 2: was really likable. And then my character, who was actually

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Speaker 2: a murderer, she was likable too. Like there was like

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Speaker 1: I don't think you and I could not be like

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Speaker 1: we have that quality. I've never had thing.

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Speaker 2: I've never played somewhat. I've never played the villain. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was the murderer, but she still wasn't the villain.

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Speaker 1: Weird would be a likable villain. Yeah, I was likable, bitch.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So were you still doing nine O two one zero?

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Speaker 2: When we did it was because I think I was

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Speaker 2: just finished with life goes on. I think life goes on,

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Speaker 2: it just canceld.

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Speaker 1: So we started in nineteen ninety, right, We started in

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Speaker 1: eighty nine and ended in and we ended in ninety three.

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Speaker 2: We were eighty nine to ninety three.

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Speaker 1: In ninety three, ninety four, Yeah, okay, I want to

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Speaker 1: say it was ninety.

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Speaker 2: Four Okay, so like was on had just gotten canceled,

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Speaker 2: I'm playing a killer, and I'm I'm in a dark

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Speaker 2: place when I did that movie. Just like like I said,

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Speaker 2: I was very methody, I was dark, I was I

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Speaker 2: was this, I was this sad little person when I

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Speaker 2: did that movie. So all of that every time I

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Speaker 2: had to cry, like all that stuff like easy peasy,

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Speaker 2: because I was. I was so devastated. My whole life

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Speaker 2: Because when they can people don't know this, or maybe

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Speaker 2: a series for four years, that is your family, and

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Speaker 2: then when the network just decides to cancel it, like

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Speaker 2: they're like okay, you can't see your family anymore. Your

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Speaker 2: was carrying all that into that movie that we did,

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Speaker 2: into A Friend to Die for.

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Speaker 1: Well, I got to say, I never knew that because

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Speaker 1: I remember thinking I was scared to see you because

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we did Troop Beverly Hills, and

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Speaker 1: they were the cool girls and they had their whole group,

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Speaker 1: I felt better. So yeah, I never saw any of them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so glad because I also was reading I

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Speaker 2: remember I was also reading the Diarrheaman Frank, and that

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Speaker 2: was getting me really dark too, you know, like I

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Speaker 1: And chopping up cucumbers, you know.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that because I never

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Speaker 1: thought to do that. Like both girls were the real girls,

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Speaker 2: No, nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 1: And it was a fictionalized story, I know.

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Speaker 2: And it's crazy because I think the girl I played

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Speaker 2: served seven years in Juvenile and then was released, and

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Speaker 2: I do remember thinking knowing that there was that I

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Speaker 2: someone who was worthy of compassion. That was kind of

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Speaker 2: didn't research any of the real stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Oh my gosh. And all the friends.

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Speaker 1: The friends were incredible, like Marle, Carlie Shelton, who else,

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Speaker 1: Like every time I watch I see someone new, I

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Speaker 3: Were in it. I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 2: And they all had they all had lines, and they

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Speaker 2: all were. Like TV movies aren't like that anymore. They

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Speaker 2: that movie was full and yeah, I actually like I

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Speaker 2: a good little movie. And we are we were so cute,

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Speaker 2: we were so young, we were so little. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: I think I'm seventeen in the movie. I have a

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Speaker 2: daughter who's seventeen right.

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Speaker 1: Now, You're like, don't do this, don't do this, don't

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Speaker 2: No, it's a move, it's a bad move.

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Speaker 3: How old is your old toy?

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Speaker 1: Seventeen? Really, my aldes at sudden is seventeen?

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Speaker 1: He is a sixteen year old daughter?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Wow, we're going through the college application

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Speaker 2: circus right now and it's consuming me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it overwhelms me. I'm out. It was never my

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Speaker 1: cham I'm just like, ask your dad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's no, it's weird to think that. I like,

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Speaker 2: doesn't make me feel old. It's just like wow, Like

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Speaker 2: I was like, what a legacy doing this. I've been

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Speaker 3: Know, forty over forty years?

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Speaker 1: What you look so young? And you say the number

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Speaker 1: and it's like I know, I know, but so do you?

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Speaker 2: And that's also why when people meet us in person,

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Speaker 2: they have no idea where where to put us in

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Speaker 2: We're definitely not our age, Like it definitely is not.

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Speaker 1: That thank goodness, Thank goodness. Okay, so friend to we

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Speaker 1: had that experience and then they made the remake, Oh right, right,

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Speaker 1: A friend and die for Yes, yes, yes, yes did

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Speaker 1: they I think they called it a death of a

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Speaker 1: cheerleader they did this time, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think so. And I played an FBI agent, So

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Speaker 2: I did like you did, re sints you did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was a little sad though that

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Speaker 1: I was not contacted.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, toy. I had nothing to do with it

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Speaker 2: other than I showed up for my three scenes. I

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Speaker 2: did not produce it, because had I produced it, we

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Speaker 2: would have called you my friend.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you do O g things, people want O

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Speaker 1: GPS and that would be you and me.

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Speaker 2: That's true. No, You're You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: And when I heard that it was coming out, I

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Speaker 1: even put a picture of you and I like our

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Speaker 1: death scene on my feet and my Instagram like, oh

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Speaker 2: Publicity shot up us like holding the night one. It's

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Speaker 1: Actually on all fours looking up your you're kind of

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, and I'm very casual about it. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: And the way that scene actually ended up in the

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Speaker 2: I don't remember. I didn't remember that until I rewatched

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Speaker 2: it and I was like, oh, yeah, you really don't see

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Speaker 1: You just hear I am a horrible screamer, not a

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Speaker 1: But you can hear my life castle he sounds okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then like I get back in the car and

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Speaker 3: What is that feeling?

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Speaker 2: And then and then I'm sure we did that because

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Speaker 2: we got that. Now you've just killed her. Okay. Action,

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Speaker 2: So then there's like the post killing face, you know,

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Speaker 2: actually something I think about this a lot, because I

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Speaker 2: I do it with my children. I'm very cautious in whatever,

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Speaker 2: it's because of all roles we've played, like all the

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Speaker 1: I'm going to use that now on My ex husband

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Speaker 1: used to be like, why do you act like this

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Speaker 1: like you always think the worst is gonna happen? That's right,

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Speaker 1: because hello.

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Speaker 2: It does and very real like for for reels, put

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Speaker 2: ourselves in that position in order to tray the emotion

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Speaker 2: that the convincing emotion that we need to give to people.

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Speaker 2: So those so all those triggers did y'all all in there?

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Speaker 2: So all it takes is for someone to press a

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I know what it feels like to pretend

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Speaker 4: Such a valid point I might have understand.

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Speaker 3: But in therapy a lot too.

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Speaker 2: There's a chance.

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Speaker 1: You had to keep working. You couldn't even process like

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Speaker 2: Well. You know it's interesting is when my parents split

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Speaker 2: much every TV movie I've ever done, I've had to

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Speaker 3: My factor's version yeah, we're all a little method.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: But the most interesting actors are people who've been through stuff.

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Speaker 2: Patty Lapone told me that, So it's real.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And like Patty, she's seventy I think she's seventy

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Speaker 2: it wasn't even like Tyler Tyler Benchfield got like killed

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we were just transferred over right, there's

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Speaker 2: But you know, I just haven't done it yet. I

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Speaker 1: Allow that was like my childhood show. Oh everybody, everybody, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It was. It was a pretty massive experience for me.

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Speaker 1: So I love hearing that that you stay in touch.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, like, it's hard to look at it that way

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Speaker 2: But your show was so gutsy. It was gutsy in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were really lucky, Like how who gets to

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Speaker 2: And actually everybody told me, everybody told me after forty

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Speaker 2: Damp Oh did you really how we did a baby quail?

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Speaker 1: Except the cleanup, my mind don't want to clean up.

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Speaker 3: No, I clean up up.

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Speaker 2: I clean up and there's all kinds of different poop

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Speaker 2: So like whenever somebody comes to my bar and we're like, oh,

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