WEBVTT - What is a body farm? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:16.400 from house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:21.760 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Chuck Bryant's here. That's right, Chuck. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.640 How are you doing? I am well, how are you right? Chuck? 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.120 Let's go for a little walk, shall we? Okay, So 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.880 Chuck and I are here at the University of Tennessee 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.519 campus in beautiful Knoxville, Tennessee, and we're kind of on 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.480 the outside of campus. Um, we are in the woods basically. Yeah, 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.040 it's a little creepy out here, it is, Chuck, and 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.040 you're about to find out what actually, Chuck, watch out 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:50.720 what don't? Oh? Chuck? Wow, you just stepped in a corpse. Yes, 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.479 in a corpse. Yeah. That that thing really opened up 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.360 a lot more than I thought it would. Kind of 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.520 like a right cannamelon. Yeah, but it went right through. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.920 That's gross. Yeah, I'm not sure what the cannon melon is, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.560 but it doesn't sound like that. It's a lot nicer 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.039 than that. So okay, well, I guess we can get 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.840 out of Knoxville before anybody says anything, right, what is 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.559 this place? I'll tell you. Let's just get out of here, okay, 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:17.920 all right, okay, chuckers Wow, and I'm really glad you 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.400 washed your foot off back to the students through your 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.399 shoe away, got ready to jeans. It's a good thing 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.640 you weren't wearing shorts. That was groups I was up 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.600 to my ankle and body, so Chuck, I know that 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.120 was patently unnecessary that we went all the way to 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.240 Knoxville for that, but um, what we were just at 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.920 is called the body farm, right, that's the best setup 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.959 we've ever had. I know it's just for that. I'm 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.360 taking my shirt off for the rest of the podcast. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:49.160 Do that. Oh dude, Okay, Chuck, I can't do that. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.840 Yes you can. Let's talk about death baby. There's yeah, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.040 you kid. I can't Chuck, settle it. No, he's really 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.160 gonna mess me up. Okay, all right, I'll put my 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.720 shirt back on. Hold on. Wow, we've reached new new 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.480 bows here. Okay, are you better now, big baby? I 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.359 think you can't do a podcast with a shirtless Josh. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.520 I'm sorry. All right, Well, let's let's get back to 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.079 the to the issue at hand, body farms. Okay, Okay, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.359 so Chuck, do you know me? I'm all about like death, Like, well, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.040 I'm gonna die someday. I can't wait to find out 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.239 what happens. Right, So this is right up my alley. Yeah, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.880 I thought it's a cool article. So you liked it 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.480 as well? Yeah? Written by your boyfriend Tom? Uh huh 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.320 long long time boyfriend time. Uh yeah it was good 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.880 body farms, very gruesome but necessary, cool, interesting topic. Yeah, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.360 you just won't kick this one off of you. Well, 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.920 what do you want me to do? No, let's talk 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.640 about death first. So what the whole point of a 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.760 body farm? Is a study decomposition? Right right? That people 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.480 might not even know what one is. It's where you 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:55.840 study a dying or a corpse in a state of decay, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.960 so you can learn things from that. Well, put, I 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.800 think that's right out of there. Was Actually, so there's 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.000 actually three body farms around the country, right, There's one 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:10.040 at Western North Carolina University, go, um some things. Uh. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.640 There is a University of Tennessee at their main campus 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.200 at Knoxville, where we just words you're kind of volunteers. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.280 Yeah I won't say go valls though, and you know why? Um. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.080 And then there's another one at Texas State University, San Marcos. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:30.640 That's it. Three body farms in the entire country. Are 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.680 they are really churning out the information? Right? And now? 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.600 One of the researchers pointed out that they think it 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.120 would be nice one day if there was a body 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.840 farm in each state because it's so geographically specific that 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.200 it would help to know these kind of things. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.120 makes sense. Yeah. I think Tennessee's got much of the 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.720 southeast covered because it's just wet and sticky down here everywhere, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.520 and it's it's muggy and uh yeah, so any information 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.720 coming out of Tennessee probably applies to much of the 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.800 South Texas. Probably you cover the sand in the rocks 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.160 of the of the West. I would imagine what I mean, 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.640 in the sun, what happens if you die in Idaho? 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.280 Well exactly. You know, maybe it should open one in 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:12.920 the Pacific Northwest. Okay, suggestion, I agree? I agree? Um, alright, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.000 so Chuck, what we're talking about his body farms. Basically, essentially, 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:21.120 it's just a an area attractive land. I think, um, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:26.240 Knoxville's is like three hundred acres or something like that. Yeah, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.279 it's a big one. Yeah, and then Texas is even 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.000 I think it's about ten times the size that I 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.760 think it's three thousand acres. Uh and they have um 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.839 dead bodies scattered across it. Uh. And I know Tennessee 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.960 was the first one to ever open this up, and 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.320 it was there was a guy named Dr. Bill Bass, 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.640 who you sent me a video that was awesome, Such 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.600 an affable man, I should say, Joshua. The Tennessee one 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:54.440 is three acre inside of a three acre area, so 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.320 the farming is actually smaller, which is one of the 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.200 reasons the residents signed off on it, because they were 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.240 a little uh skeptical. Yeah, and I can understand, I 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.279 can understand how someone would be sure. Yeah. Um, back 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.200 to bas Yeah, so Bass opened this uh the first 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.800 one in one at the University of Tennessee. And he 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.240 did it because the cops kept coming to him and 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.240 asking him, you know, if they could, um, if he 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.800 could help you know with this, uh some murder investigations 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.680 or anything like that. And um, he finally realized that 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:30.400 we don't know nearly enough about um decomposition as far 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.960 as it pertains to criminal investigations. So he took it 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.880 upon himself to start collecting corpses, and actually the first 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:42.720 ones he got were unclaimed corpses from local morgues. And 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.760 he just took him out to the body farm, which 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.040 is actually the technical name for it is the University 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:51.720 of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology Facility UM. And he just started 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.880 scattering him around the place and study studying them and 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.440 taking journals and logs and photos and uh noting the 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.599 rate of decay that kind of thing. Yeah, so let's 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.960 talk about the rated decay. Let's talk about decompetition. We 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.320 already handled rigor mortists and liver mortis and uh what 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.359 is alger mortis um in our rigor mortis podcast? We 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.000 want need to talk about that. We already talked about 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.240 idle auto licens too, but there's some other stuff too, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.600 like the putrification process and the effects that has in 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.760 the body. Let's talk about that because it's gnarly. Okay, Okay, yeah, 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.080 it sounds good. Now you're talking about the flies and 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.600 the maggots. Sure, okay, we'll start there. One one way 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.440 that uh, insects actually give a lot of insight into 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.960 how long a body may have been lying there in 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.520 a state of decay. Um. I think they said flies 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.080 will go in through the orifices like the nose and 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.279 the ears. And in one of those videos that you 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.599 sent me, it shows flies going into a nose and 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:51.280 the the eyeball liss eye sockets. It's awesome. Yeah. So 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.840 they'll do this um within like a day of the 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.719 body dying if they have access to it. Give the 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:02.400 bodies outside because the body the flies and then the 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.400 lay eggs and then in twenty four hours the eggs 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:10.120 are hatched into larva. Yes, which a k a. Maggots, Right, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:15.000 and these maggots are decaying flesh eating machines. Actually apparently 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.679 they can consume sixt of human corpse within ten days 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.680 from the inside out. And actually no, they start from 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:27.000 the outside in because it's laid on the fly legs, 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.400 the eggs on the skin, and then they start burrowing 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.360 in and eating and eating and eating. Well, dude, I'm 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.560 very wrong then, so um and they actually grow about 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.560 ten times in five days because they eat so much 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.040 and they're built for it too, right, right, they have 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.520 like a mouth hook what is it called. Yeah, that 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.200 that's a mouth hook that that scoops the the goo 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.240 into their mouths and then I think they're their mouth 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.440 is on one end, and they're breathing apparatus is on 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.120 the other end, so that they're just a little eating 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.480 machines and don't have to stop to breathe there. They 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.760 can just keep going literally built for it. So back 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.320 to what I was saying about the rate of decay. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.440 They can take a look at the size of the 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.240 maggots and determine it. While if a maggot is this long, 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.520 then it's been in the human body growing for this 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.880 many days and it was probably hatched on this day, 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.000 so the body has been there for X number of 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.400 days or weeks. And that's just one type of fly. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:24.680 And and this this is actually um they're called corpse fauna. No, yeah, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.760 corpse fauna um, and just just the I think the 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.440 common house flies, the one that Tom's talking about in 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.400 this article, possibly the bottle fly. But it turns out 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:39.040 there is a whole ecosystem of flies that start to 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.360 come in at different stages of the decomposition process. So 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.000 some really love to pick you know, the little remnants 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.080 off a skeleton. Um. Others you know, start the whole 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.080 decomposition process and aid others like to show up when 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.600 you know, with the bodies really starting to turn to goo. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.280 And but yeah, they study the flies and they can 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.000 figure out how long the body has been out there, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.559 which is a big one. Yeah, this is a big 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.520 indicator for helping cops kind of figure out not motive, 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.800 but time of death stuff like that. And also, Um, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.840 from this article, I found out that c s I 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.280 is a bunch of liars. Yeah, they never do that stuff. No, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.240 I didn't know that blood blood stained pattern analysis, that's 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:23.920 not forensic. No. Um, handwriting analysis, Nope. Shooting guns into 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:28.160 that gel, yeah, that's all. That's not true theirs. Yeah, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.600 which irks me to no end. Yeah, but you know 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.240 we've talked about this before. TV always sensationalizes, is that 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.560 just get over it. It wouldn't be very entertaining if 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.600 they just came by and said, well, the maggots are 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.520 twenty millimeters long. Case closed. I gotta tell you that 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.520 those videos you sent me were pretty entertaining and gruesome. Yeah. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.559 Did you see that one guy with a big distended belly. Yes. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.200 And actually one of the things that happens to a 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.400 corpse as well is the skin black ends right, Yeah, 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.520 and that video did point that out that certain parts 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.160 turn black. And I know when the blood collect in 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.400 certain parts. We talked about that before, certain parts of 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.520 the body will be darker and some will be more pale. Yeah, lividity. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.880 Can we talk about deep gloving? I can't wait. I 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.240 think you should talk all about it. Yeah, it's pretty cool. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.400 We learned this from the video as well. When um, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.120 let's say you look at a human hand that's been 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.679 lying in the woods over the period of the days 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.200 of decay, it'll start to look really raising e like 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.840 it's been in dishwater, you know. Yeah, and then it 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.000 starts to literally you see, it starts to kind of 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.559 gather up and slide off the hand, and the epidermis 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.920 literally comes off of the hand. And they call it 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.760 d gloving. Yeah, and they actually figured out that, um, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.000 you can take this glove, this d glove skin, so 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.960 that's kind of laying nearby the hand if you can 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.839 get to it before an animal comes up and it's 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.480 like hey yeah glove, Um you can. You can take 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.320 it into the lab, put a rubber glove on and 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.480 then put this human skin on like a glove and 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.920 then fingerprint that way. Because you know, once the one 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.760 the epidermis comes off, there goes the fingerprints, and and 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.200 forensic anthropologists like Dr Bass at the Body Farm have 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.600 figured out that you can do this. I mean, how 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:12.280 many just figuring that out? How many crimes have been 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.959 solved because somebody figured out you could do that? I 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.760 don't know, probably a bunch that pays for itself as 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.160 far as I'm concerned, because before that they just had 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.800 no fingerprints. They lost the finger They're like, oh well, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:24.960 and now they do the buffalo bill thing and it's 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:30.400 all good, yeah, good bye. It puts a lotion in 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.480 the basket. That was very good. That was pretty pretty good. Okay, 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.319 So um yeah, that's dead body stuff. I'm sure we'll 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.360 get to more of it in a few um, but really, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.680 forensic anthropologists come in most handy when there is no 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:51.640 flesh any longer. Yeah, but it's just bones, right because 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:56.160 think about it, you've you've lost any uh, any visual 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.600 identification of even you know, whether it was a man 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:03.559 or a woman, ethnicity, yeah, um age anything like that. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.920 You can't just look at it like you can, you know, 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.600 like that time we found that drifter in the woods, 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.440 that one time, he was pretty new you could tell, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.920 and we knew it was like a white probably mid thirties. Uh, 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.880 you know, male and you know, we just walked along 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.880 and minded our own business. Whatever happened to that guy? 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.959 I have no idea anyway. Um, if you if it's 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.200 just a skeleton, if that dead drifter had just been 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.240 a skeleton, then we wouldn't have been able to say 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.439 any of those things with any kind of certainty. So 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.160 when just a skeleton is found, Uh, they call in 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.520 a forensic anthropologist and they go to town. Chuck, Right, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.920 they can still learn some of these things, Josh, as 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.080 you know, they can look at I guess the easiest 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.040 thing they can do to determine gender is to look 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.679 at the size of the bones, because typically men's bones 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.480 are larger where it attaches to the muscle. Not a 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.719 dead giveaway, no pun intended, but a good one. And 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:00.560 there's differences in the pelvic bone apparently. Uh. The forehead 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.840 is also a big tail tale sign and gender and race. Well, 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:10.360 men's foreheads tend to slope backwards and women's are more rounded. Yeah, 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.400 and looking at you, you have a very sloped rear forehead. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.600 You can tell that's not your forehead, dude, that's your 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:22.319 the top of your head. And females chins usually come 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:23.840 to a point where a man's chin is a little 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.280 more squared off. How's my chin? It's uh beautiful, Josh, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:32.800 it's beautiful. Ribs apparently can help determine age a lot 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:37.239 more ragged in our age they get ragged out. Yeah. Um. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.800 And also with with men and women, and giveaway is 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:46.319 especially post adolescent men and women. Um is a the pelvis, Yes, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.440 the pelvic inlet is much wider in women. Basically, the 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.040 hole in your pelvic pelvic bone is is much bigger 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.320 in women than it is in men, to allow for 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.600 easier childbirth. You got it. You don't want to pass 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.240 a kid through the pelvic inlet of a man. No, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.360 that would be painful, Like it's not painful enough already. Um. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.640 And then when it comes to the race, they don't 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.880 get too specific. They kind of want to say African, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.600 Asian or European. They try to get you know, stay 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.800 pretty broad there, well, at least at first. And then 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.280 apparently there's some other signs that you can you can 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.200 kind of narrow it down even further. But those are 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.560 the first three categories they lump them in, right. Actually, 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.600 I thought it was an interesting fact. Tom hadn't here 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.640 that there were more differences within each racial group than 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.120 there are between each group as a whole, which I 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.120 don't thought it was kind of cool. Yeah, that is interesting. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:40.600 And so those are bones, right, yeah, those are bones, 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.600 dem bones, dem bones. Yeah, Josh, you want to talk 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.480 about disease, of course. And then one of the big 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.960 concerns for residents that live near these body farms is, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.840 wait a minute, they just let these bodies. I mean 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.200 sometimes as many as forty and fifty bodies out there. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:15:00.000 We're worried about buzzards disease there. They're bad stuff get 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.880 into the water and shore by creeks, but it doesn't happen. 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.200 No one wants to drink dead body. Uh do you 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:10.320 know why? Why? Because if you have an infectious disease, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:15.520 it's not gonna still be around after your body is decomposing. Yeah, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:21.480 the the um, the infectious disease organisms also decomposed. They 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.120 don't stick around too long. But just to be certain, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.800 any faculty or students who are you know, interacting with 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.520 these body farms, they're innoculated against all manner of stuff 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.960 because you know, you don't want to really take a chance. Sure, um, 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:37.920 but also they go out of their way. I think 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.400 the test um all all corpses that are donated to 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.560 them for any kind of infectious disease diseases beforehand. So 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.120 you gotta clean, clean, living corpse that you just have 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.640 out there. That's not really going to cause much problem, right, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.400 and it should be noted too. Like you said, people 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.480 do donate. I think the one in Tennessee said they 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.000 had a list of either a list of three hundred 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.040 or they had already had three hundred bodies donated. And 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.360 you can do that just like your an organ donory. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:04.640 You can say I'd like my body to go to 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.320 a body farm. After that, well, I think you want 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:10.360 to contact the body farm first. Hey, here's a fun 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.840 fact for you, Okay. In two thousand and six, the 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.440 University of Tennessee had more corpses and skeletons on its 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:22.119 campus than it had Asian students enrolled. We're about UM 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:28.760 nine hundred in the osteopathological collection, nine skeletons, another seven 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:33.160 hundred in two other skeletal collections, and then forty or 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.640 so bodies on the body farm and there are only 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:41.400 six D seventy three Asian students on campus. Isn't that crazy? Yeah? Yeah, crazy. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.360 I wonder if they had any Asian bodies. I don't 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.800 know with that canceled out, okay, or maybe it would 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.320 count toward the total count both ways though, So we 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.280 canceled one another out. Okay, sure, But I mean everybody 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.960 likes to be count so counted. So what else, Josh? 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.520 Shall we talk about some of the the ways that 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.680 the body farms have helped out? You mean specifically, yeah, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.080 e g. John Wayne Gaycy. Yeah, that's a good one. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:08.720 Go ahead. And I've long been in pursuit of a 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.359 John Wayne Gacy um painting. You know, he's a prolific painter, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.240 and I found a website finally. Yeah that he wasn't 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.560 a very good painter, but you know, just to have 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.080 a John Wayne Gaycy, it's crazy. He also loved them. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.920 The Seven Dwarfs were a common theme of his. Really 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.240 fascinated by the Seven Dwarves for some reason. What a 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.640 creep he was a creepy dude. Yeah, yeah, Well when 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.639 Gaycey got popped in what the seventies? Yeah, I guess 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.360 if for the two of you who don't know who 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.600 that is, John Wayne Gacy is a famous serial killer 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.400 he was a serial killer of young men. Yes, he killed. Yeah, 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.000 he buried twenty nine of them under his house. Uh yeah, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.440 I think it's not a good place. Which wasn't even 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.320 necessarily his house. It was his mother's apartment, which goes 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.600 a long way in explaining you know, John Wayne gayzy Um. 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.200 But when he finally got got busted and he started 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.520 telling the cops about how many people he had killed 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.639 that he they went out to his mother's apartment complex 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.840 and use ground penetrating radar and found basically a mass grave. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.640 The problem is is like these bodies have been there 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.840 for a while, They've been killing kids for a real 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.639 long time, and uh, the the bones have become entangled 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.600 and they didn't know who was who or anything like that. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.520 So they brought in forensic anthropologists and I believe they 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:25.560 helped to successfully identify uh most, if not all of them, right, Yeah, 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:29.040 So you know that's one way the body farms are contributing. Sure, 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.399 that's pretty cool. You know, they'll they'll profile the bones 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.199 and then they'll match that with data for missing kids, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.120 and you know, one kind of leads to the other, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.520 and that I know, it's closure somewhat for families. In 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.640 this kind of situation. Oh yeah, which is what we're 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.760 going to talk about with the Big Bopper. I think 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.679 you should talk about the Big Bopper. The Big Bopper 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.760 was a singer that perished in the plane crash with 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.040 Richie Valence and Buddy Holly back in the day, and 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.400 his son, the Big Bopper's son apparently got in touch 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.080 with Dr bat Ass because the body of the Big 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.960 Bopper was found. His name was J. P. Richardson was 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.120 found forty ft from the plane, and the Sun wanted 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.720 to know, Hey, did my dad actually die in the 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.000 crash or was he trying to go get help and 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.760 then died, you know, forty later, because I don't know 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:18.639 that would have made a difference in and how he 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.480 felt about Well, apparently there was a long persisting legend too, 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:23.480 and I guess you want to put it a rest, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.640 and he did put a dress. Dr Bascott involved exhumed 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.439 the body and basically said, every bone in this guy's 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.920 body was crushed and there's no way that he survived 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.919 the crash and he was thrown from the plane and uh, 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.960 that's scene of that story. Yeah, so the Sun got 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.160 that that kind of closure. Can I tell one more. 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.320 All right, So there's this um this case in n 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.240 three in San Diego, a little seven year old named 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:54.600 Delbert apogean Um was found floating in San Diego Bay uh, 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.280 and the coroner, I guess, ruled that he had been 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:03.440 sodomized and um sexually assaulted in other ways before being murdered. 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.680 But they never found the killer. And then apparently San 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.760 Diego got some federal funding uh for opening cold cases, 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.520 and this was one of the ones they went after. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.000 So they hired a forensic anthropologist and showed him, you know, 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:21.480 old crime scene photos and notes from the detectives that 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.000 worked the case. And I imagine it probably took the 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.840 forensic anthropologists an hour or ten minutes to say, no, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.480 this kid wasn't sodomized or murdered. Yeah, the thing is 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.440 back then, no idea, No one was studying this kind 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.679 of thing. Nowadays, we know that when the body reacts 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.359 with water, all manner of nasty things happened. Bodies breakdown 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.040 twice as fast in the water, right, which is why 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.040 a lot of people dispose of murder victims in in 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.240 lakes or exact. And I guess why these cops weren't 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.359 able to really tell much, right, I think, well, not 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.040 only that they were just misling over the course of 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.720 these this the decades of study of decomposition, this forensic 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.520 if the apologist was able to say this kid wasn't murdered, 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.679 close your cold case, right yeah cool. Yeah. And then 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.119 one of the researchers I saw from that video at 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.840 Tennessee is trying to put together a book, like a 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.240 reference guide for various states of the case. It was 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.640 really yeah, cops kind of look at this instead of 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.520 having a truck all the way up to the body 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.000 farm like we did. Well, yeah, and I got the 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:23.880 the idea it was going to be like, Okay, here's 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.720 a picture of a body that's been underwater for seven days, um, 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.280 and you know, hold it up against your body, and 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.320 what doesn't look the same will continue to the next page. 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.080 So yeah, I guess it's going to be like a 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:41.000 an illustrated atlas of decomposition, the old guide, right. I 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:42.520 would love to get my hands on that one day 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.240