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Speaker 1: to sixty three, so about the same, you know, a

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Speaker 1: little bit more than than Thibodeaux, and he had a

425
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Speaker 1: twenty seven point eight Amen. Bare Bonds didn't get a

426
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Speaker 1: lot of pictures to hit, and when he did, he

427
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Speaker 1: had not gonna. You get a couple of chances, so

428
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 1: you gotta load it up. I think it's more impressive

429
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Speaker 1: when you don't get as many chances, but you able

430
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Speaker 1: to be so so this is why, this is why

431
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Speaker 1: I hopefully you listen to the pod. So then you're

432
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Speaker 1: watching the draft Thursday night, and all of a sudden,

433
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Speaker 1: Tampa is picking at the bottom of the first round

434
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Speaker 1: and they take Nick Benito and you can lean over

435
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Speaker 1: your friends. Yeah, he's a pressure percentage man, of course.

436
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Speaker 1: No no brainer, no brainer brainer. Yeah, that's yeah, it's fine,

437
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: We're good, all right. I want to get into the

438
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Speaker 1: top ten here. Kind of what we're hearing at at

439
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: this point in time, what it looks like, Um, it's uh,

440
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Speaker 1: it's wild. Let me let me start us off here.

441
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Speaker 1: Pick number one, Jacksonville. Here's the latest that I that

442
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Speaker 1: I've heard, literally from last night to this morning. Everything

443
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Speaker 1: I hear it is what was reported somewhere. I saw

444
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: it report, But this is I'm getting the same thing.

445
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: Doug wants the tackle. Yeah, he wants Ikey Kuano from

446
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: NC State. Trent wants Trayvon Walker. It sounds like Aidan

447
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: Hutchinson is not really in the mix. Based off everything

448
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: that we're hearing at this point in time, it's those

449
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: two players. Now, the other side of it is they

450
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: franchise tag Cam Robinson. I'm gonna go back today and

451
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Speaker 1: go watch the last two games of Walker little because

452
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: I hear mixed things. Some people think he's fine, some

453
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: people think he's not gonna be good enough. And then

454
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Speaker 1: you have Doug Peterson's background winning a Super Bowl with

455
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Speaker 1: Jason Peters at left tackle, Lane Johnson at right tackle.

456
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Speaker 1: They were you know, that offensive line was the best

457
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Speaker 1: in football. The offensive line was great. Yeah. So if

458
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Speaker 1: he's thinking, how do we help the quarterback, this is

459
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 1: the way we helped the quarterback kind of goes back

460
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Speaker 1: to what we said at the beginning of the process.

461
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Speaker 1: I just thought once they franchise Cam Robinson that that

462
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Speaker 1: ships sailed. My my counter argument to that, buck as

463
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Speaker 1: you can say, this is why Doug won the Super Bowl.

464
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Speaker 1: My counter argument would be if if you're listening to

465
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Speaker 1: this right now, you're probably a pretty good size NFL fan,

466
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna give you a quiz and you don't.

467
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: You don't take this because I couldn't get it, So

468
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to get it. Three to one.

469
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Speaker 1: Who are the starting right tackles for the Rams and

470
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Speaker 1: the Bengals one too? Like like we talked about it,

471
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Speaker 1: like we talked about this, right, here's here's what I say.

472
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Speaker 1: So let's take it and not just make it a

473
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Speaker 1: first round debate, Let's make it a second round debate.

474
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Speaker 1: So what did you tell me at the beginning of

475
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Speaker 1: this thing? The draft is deep at what position rush?

476
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Speaker 1: So if I could give you a package where give

477
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Speaker 1: me Ikya Kwan at one and then give me the

478
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Speaker 1: next best pass rush to day we expect to be

479
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Speaker 1: available at the top of the second round. Well, that

480
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Speaker 1: my fa or at a Katie Katie, I can get that.

481
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Speaker 1: But now if I take the pass rusher at one,

482
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Speaker 1: what kind of offensive tackle offensive lineman can I get

483
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Speaker 1: at the top of the second round. Yeah, that changes

484
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Speaker 1: the equation. And so let's let's be real and let's

485
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Speaker 1: be frank and I don't have any intel inside information,

486
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: but if Doug Peterson wants to tackle, the jaguarsn't gonna

487
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: take the tack. Yeah, Doug Peterson, Peterson is one. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: like that, that's it. Like they brought him in. He's

489
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he has the opportunity to get it. And

490
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Speaker 1: let's look at it this way, because everyone is maybe

491
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Speaker 1: we've been a little short sided onund the Cam Robinson

492
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Speaker 1: thing or whatever. So when you franchise Cam Robinson, you

493
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: still expect him to get them done. By all accounts.

494
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Speaker 1: We can talk about Ikey Kwanta, right, we can talk

495
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Speaker 1: about Ikey Kwanta potentially going to right take or where

496
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: they have Juwan Taylor and Walker Lot. We can talk

497
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Speaker 1: about him playing guard like you got j and I

498
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: called him Jonathan Ogden. But you can put him a guard.

499
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: But there is a role because when you read the

500
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Speaker 1: tea leaves, Dug said, we can't miss on the number

501
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Speaker 1: one pick, and the number one pick has to start

502
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Speaker 1: where DJ. There's a path for Ikey Quanta to start

503
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: at multiple positions on that offensive line. You put him

504
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: either beside Brendon Shuff outside of tackle. You put him

505
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Speaker 1: at left guard beside Cam Robinson, and you have a

506
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Speaker 1: power side to be able to run the football and

507
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: do it exactly what you want to do. But you

508
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: absolutely have a path to be able to do it.

509
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: And I think the fear factor is when you come

510
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Speaker 1: with Walker is we talked about the win rate. We've

511
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Speaker 1: seen the minimal production as a Pastors number one easy,

512
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: we talked about it. Just hit it in the fairway. Yeah,

513
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 1: I just can't have an egregious miss And so I

514
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: can understand why Doug say, Hey, we're having all this

515
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: debate about which pass rusher. I noticed I can make

516
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Speaker 1: the tackle right. You can put him at guard or

517
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Speaker 1: put him at right tackle. Yeah, yeah, man, I just

518
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Speaker 1: it's a weird world you live in, and I icky

519
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Speaker 1: my top one fifties out he's my third player. I

520
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Speaker 1: have no I mean literally, I have no problem if

521
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Speaker 1: they take it. I I really don't. I can I

522
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Speaker 1: can make that argument for helping your quarterback. It just

523
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: when when you run through the scenario of your number

524
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Speaker 1: one overall pick me in your your long term starter

525
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,239
Speaker 1: at guard, it's like maybe, but but what you do

526
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: is I guess we would say, because it took me

527
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Speaker 1: a while. Quinn Nelson and the impact that he had

528
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: on the number one, number one overall pain. But let's

529
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: just say if he earns Pro Bowl honors at guard

530
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Speaker 1: is to know he will and I think he will,

531
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Speaker 1: and I think he will. I think if he plays guard,

532
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a lacious guard. Yeah, and the attitude

533
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. And if we talk about

534
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: the quarterback, we built it around the quarterback. Well, now

535
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence, you've given him enough up front. Let's

536
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Speaker 1: be able to evaluate the quarterback and see how good

537
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: this quarterback really commit. Let's keep it scooting here. Detroit's too.

538
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: We assume if if Hutchinson doesn't go one, they run

539
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Speaker 1: the card up and I said, basically, tell me that no,

540
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: if Walkers there, that that's still I said, I'm not

541
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Speaker 1: buying that. I think they take Hutchings. So then Houston

542
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Speaker 1: at three, I think they you know, I know that

543
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: they love Ikey. Um. You know, there's some if my instincts,

544
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna trust my instincts that says, don't sleep

545
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: on Kyle Hamilton because he's the Patriot player of all

546
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: Patriot players in this draft class, big, smart, versatile, tough

547
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: leader like all that stuff Patriots. It screams to me

548
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: in my head and I know, so I can't take

549
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: a state that high whatever. That's my Patriots picking the

550
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: back of my head. But you know they love iy.

551
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: Ikey's gone, if Walker's there, I mean we talked about

552
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: it like I worked in you know, for Romeo Cornell

553
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: when he was head coach at Cleveland. Romeo has that

554
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: long patriot's background. He would come into the meeting and say,

555
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: we want our outside guys to look like like, yeah,

556
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: they don't go. Those guys don't go. But this is

557
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: one that looks like Willie. We saw him on the

558
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: field down there together with him in Traylon Walker. Now

559
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: Love's defense is different than the kind of the traditional

560
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: Patriots defense. But I just think when I look at that,

561
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope Levy's there for a long time,

562
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: but I don't get the sense that they're making picks

563
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: for scheme. I think this is long term building here

564
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: in Houston. So so the only thing in hearing um

565
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: stuff coming out of Houston Love you talked about they

566
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: didn't have the kind of corners to play the style

567
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: of defense that they want to play. And the only

568
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: thing that that that made my ears broke up because

569
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: I was like, why would you put that up there?

570
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: You want somebody to trade the three to get Sauce

571
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: or Stingy. But like, I'm thinking about like Sauce Garden,

572
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about the way that you have to play,

573
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about the kid that he is, and

574
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking about the influence of the Patriots and

575
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: what you want from a character standpoint and all of that,

576
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: and DJ is I'm not saying it's rare that you

577
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: have guys to get five stars and character and performance,

578
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: but man, Sauce Gardener is about as clean as the

579
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: prospect as they come. When it comes to all of

580
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: that stuff, and so I could see him being in

581
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: that conversation at three, even though that's high for a corner,

582
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: but I could see him if you're talking about like, hey,

583
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: we can get a corner to us like that at

584
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: three and then maybe at thirteen we come back and

585
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: get the tackle or pass rush or those things. Yeah.

586
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: So when you, um, I looked this up the other day. Here,

587
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: hold on one a second. I'm gonna pull this up

588
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: because we're going through this. I was looking at Houston. Uh,

589
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, and you think loving and you think cover two.

590
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: They played a lot more cover one, cover three than

591
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: than they've changed. Yeah, they've changed. They've changed a lot,

592
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: Like everyone on that tree has changed more from that. Oh,

593
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: we're not just a zone team. We have to play

594
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: man to man on early downs. And now if we

595
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: get you and you're behind and you chasing points, yeah,

596
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: we play covered two with the best of them. But

597
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: they want to line up and play some single high

598
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: coverage on early downs. So here you go cover one

599
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: thirty one point three percent at a time, cover to

600
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: cover three point seven percent, so quarters, you know, five

601
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: point nine. But really it's a lot. That's a lot

602
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: of a lot of single. It's a lot of single

603
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: how safety, So cover one and cover three they go together. Said,

604
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: that's well over coverages. Your corners are isolated on the islet,

605
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: and the only other time we're covering them up, we're

606
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: rolling them up and playing cover two and doing a

607
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: really good job at it. Yeah, so that's that's kind

608
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: of interesting with them. Uh so those are some options

609
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: for them. We gotta get rolling here the Jets at four,

610
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: I think you know you're you're looking at Sauce Gardener

611
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: if you was there, I think makes a lot of sense.

612
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: A fun trade. Here's a fun trade for you. What

613
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: if the Jets. What if the Jets convinced Carolina, say,

614
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: if we have Carolina pegged on a tackle, if the

615
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Jets want to get a little sugar, maybe next year.

616
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: Obviously the Caroline Panters have many picks this year, but

617
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: maybe you can get a three from them next year

618
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: to go from four to six. Maybe that's not enough,

619
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: maybe you need more than that. But I'm just kinda

620
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: spitball in here. If you could convince Carolina that they

621
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: want to get the best tackle on the draft, or

622
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: if Ikey's gone, and they might say okay, after Neil

623
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: Neil is our guy, then we want to get him. Um,

624
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: come up ahead of the Giants to to make sure

625
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: you get the tackle you want. The Jets could just

626
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: go back to six and probably still get whoever they're

627
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: gonna take it for it's sensible, I think it makes

628
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: I think I think it makes a ton of sense.

629
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Speaker 1: And for the Panthers, you want to get the tackle

630
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: that you want, not the one that you settle for.

631
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: Like so if you want to take the reins, particularly

632
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: if Ikey goes early, then you want to have the

633
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: board do I want, Neo don't want to cross like

634
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: those things, whatever whatever else wants. You also want to

635
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: prevent someone else from jumping up ahead of you and

636
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: taking the guy that you want. Yeah, so you get that,

637
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: and then um, then we get to the Giants. I'm

638
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: beginning to think on the Giants, this is my latest

639
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: thought process on them. They picked five and seven, and

640
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Speaker 1: we're gonna do a little deeper dive on them. Um, actually,

641
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Speaker 1: you know what, Let's do that now because we can, uh,

642
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Speaker 1: we cannot. Let's take care of that here. So we've

643
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: got a little business to do. Let me pull this

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Speaker 1: up here so the bill doesn't get me in trouble

645
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Speaker 1: all right. Team building presented by up work, where you

646
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Speaker 1: more at upwork dot com. So we've got the giants

648
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Speaker 1: picking here a buck five and seven. So when we

649
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Speaker 1: look at the way that they could go here, I'm

650
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: beginning to think, especially with the Darius Tony stuff, which

651
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: I do think they are trying to trade him. Um,

652
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know who they're throwing the ball to. Kenny

653
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: golladays just okay, he's not There's nothing special about Sterling.

654
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Shepherd's solid. But if you're really trying to evaluate your quarterback,

655
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: how you're doing it with what you got right now.

656
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: So I'm beginning to think with them, it's double offense,

657
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: it is tackle. You know, I think Evan neil Um

658
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: would be there. Guy, he plays right tackle, He's played

659
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: right tackle in college Plug and play. And then I'm

660
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: beginning to think they take a white out and you know,

661
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: maybe that's Drake London Um, you know, maybe that's I. Actually,

662
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, my comp for Garrett Wilson is Stefon Diggs.

663
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: So Joe, you know, our buddy Joe came from the

664
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Speaker 1: Bills where they both because remember briand Ba was offense

665
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: coordinated Alabama for a long time. You know, he certainly

666
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: knows all the intel on Evan Neil. There would be

667
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: some comfort in taking a player like that, and then

668
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: you get a player that reminds him of a very

669
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: key piece of the offense that he just directed. Makes

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Speaker 1: a ton of sense. So those are the two guys

671
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: that I think makes sense for them. Um, you know,

672
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: you go beyond that. They've got picked thirty six in

673
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Speaker 1: the top of the second round. So I think at

674
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: that point in time, you take care of the offense early.

675
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: And I think defensively, yeah, you can go you want

676
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Speaker 1: to go get a pass rush, Sure, you want to

677
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: go take a shot on somebody. Um, you know I

678
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: just talked about you know, we're talking about Nick Benito

679
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: as somebody. Maybe that's a little earlier where teams have them,

680
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: but you know, if Ebba Katie's there, you've got somebody.

681
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: Somebody's going to be there. Because somebody's gonna follow somebody

682
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: that we talked about, there's gonna be a run on

683
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: a position that what way you do whereasing to leave

684
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Speaker 1: one of those players that you need, It's gonna be

685
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Speaker 1: right there for you. You're not too far out of

686
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: bounds being at the top of the second round, so yes,

687
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: you still will get another quality player. Yeah, so you

688
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: got you got opportunities to upgrade your roster. There again,

689
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: they have two threes, They've got a four, two fives,

690
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Speaker 1: and a six, so they have a lot of picks.

691
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Speaker 1: Now I mentioned going, you know, tackle receiver, I would

692
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: not rule out. I think they would love to trade

693
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Speaker 1: out if at all possible, if they could get somebody

694
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Speaker 1: to come up, then they could slide back. And there's

695
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: enough quality receivers where they come out of it with

696
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Speaker 1: one of those guys, whether it's you know, Jamison Williams Olive,

697
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, they can get one of those top four

698
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: or five whiteouts. And I'm also beginning to think that

699
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Speaker 1: John Dotson is going to factor in. Maybe you'll be

700
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Speaker 1: gone before pick twenty, so you know, if you trade

701
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Speaker 1: back in the teams, you might you know, that could

702
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: be your fallback guy, somebody like that. Yeah, John Dawson

703
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: is somebody that, um look man, he's interested. It is

704
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: funny the ebbs and flows, and because maybe we talked

705
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: about this stuff so long, you start out where you

706
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: really like him, then you begin to like I wonder

707
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: like should I, and then you go back like, oh,

708
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a really good player. When you

709
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Speaker 1: kind of do that last minute review before you kind

710
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Speaker 1: of put the finishing touches on your top one fifty

711
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: or those things, you begin to fall back in love

712
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Speaker 1: with you rekindle the love affair that you have with

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Speaker 1: some of these prospects. Interesting. Um, all right, So that

714
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: that kind of is a look there at what the

715
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: Giants can do. But I do think they've got to

716
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Speaker 1: upgrade the offense. They've got to figure out what they

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00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: have in the quarterback. I don't see how they get

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Speaker 1: out of five and seven with at least one offensive player,

719
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Speaker 1: and more than likely I think too, if they do

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Speaker 1: take a defensive player, there's ties there, um with Hamilton's,

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00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: with Kyle Hamilton's from Notre Dame, So that would be

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00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of the defensive player I would say, you know,

723
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Speaker 1: potentially being in the mix for them. I wouldn't sleep

724
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Speaker 1: on that. Maybe that's one of those trade downs too,

725
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: Maybe they trade down from five or seven and that

726
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: could be a target for that second pick. But I

727
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: gotta believe they're doing something to help Daniel Jones here

728
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: in the first round. It has to be. It has

729
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: to be about because you have to do the evaluation.

730
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: Like now you get into the money time, you have

731
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: to forget is he's gonna be a long term solution

732
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: or you're gonna have to look to the draft next

733
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: year to find your quarterback. Um, and so give him

734
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: everything that he needs, give him a little structure and

735
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: some stability offensively to maximize this talents. And let's see

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00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: where he is and if he is the guy that

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00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: they can continue on with. Yeah, no doubt. Um, Well,

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Speaker 1: there you have it. That is team building presented by

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00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: dot com. All right, buck, let's let's keep it scooting here. Um,

741
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: we've got we talked about five and seven. I think

742
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: we've kind of handled Carolina at six as a team

743
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: that could be there's a look, there's a rumor out there.

744
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: You hear the buzz, a rumor that, oh, maybe Tepper

745
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: is gonna come in there and say you've got to

746
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: take a quarterback. I haven't got that any place. Solid.

747
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: Everything I hear and expect as a they're going to

748
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: take a tackle or trade out have you. You know

749
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: you're on the same wavelength here. I am on the

750
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: same wave Lin. If the owner comes in and interferes

751
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: and says, hey, we're gonna take the quarterback, then whatever

752
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: it looks like, it looks like it's not gonna be great,

753
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: because I don't think we've seen many rookie quarterbacks come

754
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: in and change the fortunes of a franchise. And I

755
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: don't know if any of the guys in this draft

756
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: have that capacity to do it. Based on what Carolina

757
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: has I believe, and I've come around on this, I

758
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: believe they're better served to get a really good offensive tackle,

759
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: a healthy Christian McCaffrey. You have weapons on the outside,

760
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: and see if you can Ben Macado, you can put

761
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: an offense together that works with Sam Donald. And I'm

762
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: not saying that Sam has to be the long term solution.

763
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: But I also saw Ben McDow come to New York

764
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: when Eli Manning was struggling, and they ran a variety

765
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: of quick game concepts with Odell Beckham Jr. And those

766
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: guys catching slants and sticks. He and Victor Cruz just

767
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: out there working people out in Eli kind of reach

768
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: him build his career for lying back a little bit.

769
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: I believe they can do the same thing in Carolina

770
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: with DJ Moore Anderson. They can get the ball out

771
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: of his hands and maybe we'll see the best version.

772
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: I don't know how good that version is, but I

773
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: think we can see the best version by being a

774
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: very efficient offense. And it also helps to have Number

775
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: twenty two in the backroom running and me in effect

776
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: about the backfield. Yeah, they can kind of get everybody

777
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: healthy around him, upgrade the offensive line, which they could

778
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: do right here with the sixth pick. Um. So that

779
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: to them the Atlanta Falcons, that seems to be the

780
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: first quarterback potential spot there. Um. But again most everybody

781
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: I talked to again, I do these mock drafts with

782
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: my ears, not my eyes. So the buzz seems to

783
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: be that the expectations they're just gonna take a white

784
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: out right and and uh, Drake London is the name

785
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: that I hear more than any other with them. Um,

786
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: he's different than what they have currently in their wide

787
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: receiver corps. But you put he and Kyle Pitsts together

788
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 1: because I think you almost have to view Kyle Pitts

789
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: as a jumbo receiver and then you've got two big

790
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: bodies on the just in the perimeter. And there are

791
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: a couple of different ways that you can approach the

792
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: quarterback position. You can build up everything on the offense

793
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: and then drop the quarterback in next year. Or you

794
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: can try and force one this year because you didn't

795
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: take one last year. So whatever. Now you kind of

796
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: playing catchup. I think they continue to build up the team,

797
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: go with Marcus Mariota, and then next year find a

798
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: quarterback via the draft or free agency or trade. So

799
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: here's my here's my Drake London theory, not just kind

800
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: of what you hear, but taking context in history. So

801
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: if you look at Arthur Smith, big receiver, and a J.

802
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: Brown in Tennessee, you think about our Arthur Blank. Let's

803
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: go to two Arthur's. Arthur Blank is the owner of

804
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: the Falcons. Now, obviously Drake lenn is nowhere nearest dynamic,

805
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: ras explosive as Julio Jones, but he's seen the benefit

806
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: of a big receiver. So that's why I kind of

807
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: leaned towards them getting a big guy. Then at the

808
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: end of the day, you've got big receiver, big tight end.

809
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: You've got two mismatched players, and while you might not

810
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: have your quarterback right now, in an era where veterans

811
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: are increasingly able to force their way out of contracts,

812
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: you're trying to make an attractive option for somebody. Continue.

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00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: That's why we continue to build a team. Yeah, don't

814
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: reach for a quarterback. Build a team up so it

815
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: is an attractive option for the team. Part of the

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00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: reason Denver was a driver was Russell Wilson. They had

817
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: young talent on offense. He was like, okay, I probably

818
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: jump in on that. Build up the team. All right,

819
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: let's go. Then we get to pick number nine Seattle. Um.

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00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: I was kind of told that the Thibodeau slide would

821
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: probably end there. If Thibodeau does drop that, Pete Carroll

822
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't pass on him to. Two reasons why it makes

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Speaker 1: this one up in the Pacific Northwest. They watched every

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00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: one of his games because it's fairly local. Uh too,

825
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: they have a desperate need to find an athletic playmaker

826
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Speaker 1: to come off the edge. Remember, in the pure version

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Speaker 1: of this them that they run, they always had an elephant,

828
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Speaker 1: a leo, a hybrid outside linebacker, pass rusher, Cavon tipo.

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Speaker 1: Those skill set fits that. Now this comparison I read somewhere,

830
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: but I think it's really a good comparison, um I

831
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Speaker 1: want to give. I think Doug Ferrar put this out

832
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: on USA today, were compared cavon Thibodough. Do you remember

833
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Speaker 1: Julian Peterson. Yeah, come in Michigan State, right, yeah, Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: Even in comparison out there, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not a bad one, like size wise, sizewise, a

836
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Speaker 1: little tight or whatever, but he was a little bit

837
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Speaker 1: ahead of his time. But the way Peterson was deployed.

838
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: But remember in San Francisco, he played that elephant position,

839
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: which is an extension or offshoot of what Pete Carroll does.

840
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Came on Tibodo would be a nice fit in terms

841
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: of we're not really trying to drop him, but from

842
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: an athletic standpoint, why not alignment being able to be

843
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: athletic and just go play. I don't think they will

844
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: bog him down with a lot of technique stuff in

845
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: turn of like, hey you gotta take I think the unleashman.

846
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: Let him go play on his natural instincs. No, I

847
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: think that's smart. Um. All right, So then we get

848
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: to pick ten, will be the jets second pick um

849
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: and you know it looks you tell me. When I

850
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: look at this right now and I think about all

851
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: the things that I'm not sure about in this traft,

852
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: which is a lot, and I try and figure out

853
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: who are if teams are gonna kind of regress towards

854
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: um being safe, you know, kind of like at the

855
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: end of the day, kind of come back to themselves

856
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: and say, okay again, fairway, let's put it in a fairway.

857
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: What do we know? I think those two receivers are

858
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: two of the cleaner guys, you know, between Garrett Wilson

859
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: and Drake London, it is a lot of level support

860
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: for them, those guys around the league. I'm beginning to

861
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: think if the Jets don't take a white art at

862
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: four that man, I don't know that they see one

863
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: here at ten of those top guys. But they could

864
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: also add Jamis and Williams into that and say, Okay,

865
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: screw it, we're just gonna we'll wait on him. He'll

866
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: be ready to rock and roll October November and uh

867
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: and then have a big time explosive guy. But you know,

868
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: that's that's something to think about for them. Which in

869
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: that trade scenario that we discussed, Buck if they could

870
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: go from four to six, maybe you just take Garrett

871
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: Wilson or Drake London at six and then and then

872
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: you got maybe an extra pick for next year to

873
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: go along with it. Yeah, I mean, uh, Jody certainly

874
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: understands and they have it, and they have the ammunition,

875
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: and they have the ability to put together a team,

876
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: and you don't want to force it. I think you

877
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: want to be smart. I think you want to continue

878
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: to load up. They have a ton of picks. They're

879
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: gonna be some good players that are available. I think

880
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: you want to make it just a very prudent decision

881
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: based on who's there is discut worthy of being pick. Yeah,

882
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: maybe we move back, maybe we get out of it,

883
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: maybe we put on it if I find another way

884
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: to continue to accumulate SS. All right, let me let

885
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: me just add this one little wrinkle in here as

886
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: we wrap up our top ten discussion, just for for

887
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: for you know what. In giggles Um Deebo Samuel gets

888
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: traded to the Jets. The Jets end up trading the

889
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: tenth pick right who, I don't know. I have no

890
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: information on this. I'm just let's just have some fun.

891
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: So if the Jets end up getting rid of the

892
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: tenth pick, they get Deebo Samuel, the forty Niners are

893
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: on the clock at number ten. I've got my thought

894
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: there and uh and you tell me if I'm crazy,

895
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: all right, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. If

896
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: either you know that maybe the Niners tried to trade back.

897
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: I have not made this comparison to Deep, but I

898
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: know others have. I've compared Trailing Burke's to a J. Brown,

899
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: but I think it still fits in that offense where

900
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: you could use Trailing Burks in a variety of ways.

901
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: His strength and toughness, you know, kind of compliments I you,

902
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, with kind of what they have going there.

903
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: I think he would be a fun player in the

904
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan offense. A couple of things. And let's think

905
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: about the Niners in terms of replacing Deebo Samuel. When

906
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: Brandon and Yu was drafted, we talked about Deebo Samuel

907
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: and Brandon and you havin similarities in terms of go

908
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: back and look at the way Brandon I Yuk was

909
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: utilized at Arizona State. Used to riffic with the ball

910
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: in his hands. He has some toughness or whatever. Who

911
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: is to say that Brandon and a Yuk can't get

912
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: the promotion to the Deebo Samuel role and you bring

913
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: another guy in to do something different. Remember, the Niners

914
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: have attempted to do a bunch of different things with

915
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: a lot of what I call jack of all trades players.

916
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: Jalen Heard was brought in from Baylor. Now it didn't

917
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: work for them, but remember Jalen Heard went from running

918
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: back to our receiver. The Niners took him. Think about

919
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: the way that they've deployed cal you chack full back,

920
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: tied in h back, the way that they utilized George Kittle.

921
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: So I'm not be smirching uh Deebo Samuel, and I'm

922
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: not dismissing his talents and his contributions. But what I

923
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: am saying is it's not the first time that the

924
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: Shanahans that Kyle Shanahan has had an eye and an

925
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: idea for what he wants to do with a unique player.

926
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: So if they make that trade and do it, I

927
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: do believe that they can have a plan to elevate

928
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: someone that is currently on their roster to utilize them

929
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: in a way that they utilize Deebo Sam down the stretch. Okay,

930
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: let's do this real time. I just pumped it in.

931
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: I just pumped in the top five guys. Make sure

932
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: I'm not missing anybody. Okay, I've got um, I've got

933
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, John Dots and Crystal lab Garrett Wilson, Drake

934
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: lon and Trailing Burks, those top top six whatever order

935
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: people have them. Right. So if we always talk about

936
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: the Niners and we say they are run after the

937
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: catch obsessed, um, let's go uh, let's go yards. Uh,

938
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: it's fine. I'm trying to find the yards after the catch,

939
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: yak receiving yards after the catch per reception. You know

940
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 1: the number one guy is and yards after catch among

941
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: all those guys, Trailing Burke's number two, Jamison Williams, number three,

942
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, then Johan Dotson, then Drake London. Surprisingly uh,

943
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: Crystal LaVey lasted that group after the catch. But again,

944
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: I think play strength, right, We've talked about play strength.

945
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: That that was my thing with him. He's Tony. Hey,

946
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: look man, I'm telling you don't sleep on that. So

947
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: what you're talking about and people have made this comment.

948
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily see it, and maybe I need to

949
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: continue to just study it. Maybe he's a supersized version

950
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: of DEEPO. He's a bigger version to be able to

951
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: do the things that you want to do. But DJ,

952
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put anything past I wouldn't put anything past

953
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan in terms of what he's able to do

954
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: with that offensive system when you talk about YAK and

955
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: production and explosiveness. Nothing. So that's my and watch. He

956
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: won't get traded this this this will all live from nowhere,

957
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of a fun discussion if that

958
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: does happen again. Number one, he's number one. How about that? Yeah,

959
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: how about that seven point seven? You know he averaged

960
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: sixteen points six yards of catch, but seven point seven

961
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: of that after the catch. But I think they use

962
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: him on a lot of shovels, they throw the bubbles.

963
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: He's a would be different, a big dude to get

964
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: on the ground out there in space, it would be different.

965
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: They wouldn't put him in the backfield necessarily and use it,

966
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: but you definitely could see them using the jet sweep

967
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: game and utilizing some other stuff. And I've said this

968
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: and I continue to say this about Brandon Nyuk, Brandon

969
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: Nayu can do some of those similar things. I'm not

970
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: saying that he has to line up in the backfield

971
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: and run the ball like Debo did. I think they

972
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of stumbled upon that. I don't think that was

973
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: your original plan. But yack is everything, and the ability

974
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: to be able to create everything is so and this

975
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: and this is uh, this is free of charge. You

976
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: can use this with your team and gran out of

977
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: hills because I know you run the ball more than

978
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: anybody else in high school football history. Uh. But Kyle

979
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: Shanahan what what he's best at, right is I we

980
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: talked about waldos and stuff like that, but he decided

981
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: he can decide on game plan who we're going to

982
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: make the force player. And it reminds me of when

983
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: you we were kids. I don't even know if they

984
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: play this game anymore. They probably don't because it probably

985
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: hurt somebody's feelings. But Red Rover, Red Rover, Jimmy right

986
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: over this is this is you can that's who we want.

987
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: You come on down over here, and he's gonna find

988
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna find the little corner. He's gonna find the

989
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: little undersized linebacker. He's gonna leave him unblocked and he's

990
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: gonna hand the ball to trailing Burke's and say red Rover,

991
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: Red Rover, come on over. And another thing to go

992
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: with that if Trey Lance becomes the quarterback where we've

993
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: seen debo. We saw debo when it came to in

994
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: the backfield. Remember, they can get the same production without

995
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: utilizing the wide receivers in the backfield by using the

996
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: jet sweep. He could basically take what Sean McVeigh did

997
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and run it right back at him

998
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: with the jet sweep game with all of these wide

999
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: receivers being able to touch the ball on Jetz gonna

1000
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: look like a dang tight end coming across things. It

1001
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: is because as offensive balls, I think they have a

1002
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: different way of being able to get the ball to

1003
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: those playmakers on the perimeter. I don't know, probably won't happen,

1004
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: but it was fun discussion. Anything else you want to

1005
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: add before we get out of everybody, No, that's gonna

1006
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: man um. I think everyone should tune in. I want

1007
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: to make sure that, like we give you your flowers

1008
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: prior to the draft, like what you're taking on overdraft

1009
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: weekend is an arduous task, and I don't think people

1010
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: really understand like how much you have to have in

1011
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: the holster to be able to talk about the random

1012
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: nature of watching plus picks get announced and having gas

1013
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: on them, particularly when we get to day three. And

1014
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna give your kudos and stuff today because

1015
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna knock it out the park. Um

1016
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: it is. Look, man, it is a chore unlike any

1017
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: of the chore And it's easy to speculate about the

1018
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: first round and even the first three rounds, but when

1019
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: you get down to the needy gritty, I think that's

1020
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: what separates you from others, is the opportunity to really

1021
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: going deep and have gas on these guys. That's not

1022
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: just to stand and dude, hey, I read a scouting report.

1023
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spit this at you in a twenty seven SoundBite.

1024
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: It really is a word salad that means nothing, So

1025
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: crush it. I know you and c D and everybody

1026
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: on the team rich you guys do well. I'm excited

1027
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: to kind of see what takes place, and then when

1028
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: you get back on Monday, we should have some fruitful discussions.

1029
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna have some fun, man, I appreciate you that

1030
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: the uh, the cool thing about doing this pod. And

1031
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: by the way, I looked it up the other day

1032
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: out of here out you know, we're done over eight

1033
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: hundred of these things now, over eight hundred episodes of

1034
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: this and and we talked about it every year. I mean,

1035
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: how many drafts we've been doing this, But this is

1036
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: like the draft. The fun thing about it is there's

1037
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: always surprises. But man, it's amazing how many scenarios present

1038
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: themselves on Thursday night and Friday night that we've discussed

1039
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: together and we've got we do it on this show.

1040
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: So hopefully you guys have enjoyed it because we're constantly

1041
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know, kind of pushing things and seeing, okay,

1042
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: if this then what. But this is like going to

1043
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: the driving range, man, like going out here on these discussions,

1044
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: and it just kind of prepared just see what happens.

1045
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: I know it should be a lot of fun. So

1046
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Enjoy Vegas man. I can't wait till next

1047
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: Monday we get a chance you and I to discuss

1048
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: all this. Don't forget red Rover, red Rovers. That's all yours,

1049
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: all yours. Play that with your team after practice one

1050
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: day you remember that man like, oh, you're trying to

1051
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: find they have to come run and break the chain.

1052
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: I can hold the hands of the guy. Oh man,

1053
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: there was always there was always one bigger, one bigger fellow,

1054
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, oh, don't come to my hons.

1055
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: But maybe that's why my shoulders so much. Man. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it for us. So I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys have enjoyed it, enjoy the draft. Um.

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Speaker 1: We're excited to bring it to you and excited to

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Speaker 1: be back here on the pod to recap everything. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna look out. We've got some more content coming

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Speaker 1: your way here before we get the Thursday night. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch you again right here and move the sticks a

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