1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Listen to these chilling words. 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm planning to die today. You'll probably hear about me 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: on the news. The final chilling words by Audrey Hale, 4 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: her final messages before she shoots up a private Christian school, 5 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: taking the lives of many, including little children. Yes, the 6 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: school included elementary grade children. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 7 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 8 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious X one eleven. I'm planning to 9 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: die today. You'll probably hear about me in the knee US. 10 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: So before these little children are murdered by another school shooter. 11 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: She's anticipating, Audrey Hale is anticipating being in the headlines. 12 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning where every case starts with dispatch. Listen, 13 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: they've got a discription l y Camo and they're actually 14 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: hearing gunfire. Be advised staying out of the general area 15 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: of Burden Hills Road, Hills, Brow Pipe and turn them 16 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: back to super Mintra Midtown. Is Nachhull shooting fourth the 17 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: multiple victims down. We are turing them that show adio 18 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: traffic at this time, unknown which school or where they're transporting, 19 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: but it sounds like there's multiple victims down inside the school. 20 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Shooting is down as now as well, multiple victims down, 21 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: they will be sending them to VUHH. This time all 22 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: radio traffic where we kept through a middimum except for 23 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: emergency situations on there. Can you imagine what running through 24 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: their minds as they realize the address they're giving out 25 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: is this little Christian school full of children. Let's go 26 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: straight to body cam listening to be first for I'm 27 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: making insta on the front side. Hands are all lockdown 28 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: and we have two kids. If you don't know where 29 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: you okay, okay, man, Yeah, we stare upstairs. Hey give me, 30 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: give me three. Let's get three joining me right now, 31 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: Special guess Peyton mused from Fox seventeen Nashville report with 32 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: Fox seventeen dot com, Peyton, thank you for being with us. 33 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what the officers are going through 34 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: at that moment, going all the way through the building 35 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: trying to find the shooter who ultimately kills so many, 36 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: including little children. How did the whole thing start? Peyton News? 37 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: So at ten thirteen in the morning, we were told 38 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: Metropolice received a call about an active shooter inside the 39 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: Covenant School. And if you don't know, the Covenant School 40 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: is in a suburban neighborhood. It is a very nice, 41 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: quiet part of Nashville. It's in the Green Hills area. 42 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: And officers entered the first story of the school began 43 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: clearing it right away. Officers heard those gunshots from the 44 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: second level, and that's when the shooter was also shooting 45 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: at police. Ten thirteen in the morning. I mean, you know, 46 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: frankly straight out to Jason Ocean's veteran trial lawyer across 47 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 1: the country, now located in New York, Jason, you don't 48 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: think violent crimes happening at ten o'clock in the morning, 49 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: because statistically they don't, except for school shootings. Well, that's correct. 50 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: School shootings happen sometime early. The anticipatory actions of the 51 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: shooter relative to you know, engaging do start early for 52 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: some reason. Yeah, you know, because they know that's what 53 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: all the children are there. They're all there starting at 54 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning. It's amazing how many school 55 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: shooters strike in the morning, unlike all other crimes which 56 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: happened much later in the day or in the cover 57 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: of darkness. Guys, I want you to listen to our 58 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: cut one. Chief John Drake from the National PD. Ten 59 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: thirteen Today, officers responded to a shots five call to 60 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: Covenant School. It's a church school. All Stars immediately responded. 61 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: Team of five immediately went in the school, went to 62 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: where gunshots were being heard and engaged the suspect. We 63 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: have identified the suspect right now tendively a twenty eight 64 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: year old female white So guys, almost immediately we understand 65 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: who the suspect is, twenty eight year old Audrey Aiden 66 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: Hale and the shocker is Peyton Mused. Joining me from 67 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: Fox seventeen, Hale actually went to Covenant School. Do I 68 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: have that right? Yes? You do. They said that they 69 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: believe that she went to the school. Police confirm that 70 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: they're not too sure for how long or when she 71 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: went to the school, but that is something that Metro 72 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Police did confirm. You know, I'm just curious and I 73 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: want to go to another special guest joining as doctor 74 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: Teresa Guil, Professors Bology and psychotherapist, Doctor Gil, if you 75 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: go to so, I mean, I wonder I wondered immediately 76 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: why target a small Christian school? But really why target 77 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: any school? But in this case we find out the 78 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: shooter actually attended the school well when they talked to 79 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: one of her classmates that she attended school with. They 80 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: interviewed her on the news and she said that she 81 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: was given a text message that I'm going to tell 82 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: myself today you will have more than enough information about 83 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: why I'm doing what I'm doing and it will make 84 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: more sense in time. So not quite sure. It's all 85 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: conjecture at this point to talking about the manifesto or 86 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: a journal that she left, and I think that's going 87 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: to detail much more. I don't know if that's a 88 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: part of if she felt socially isolated, she felt condemned 89 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: by others, if she didn't feel part of the group, 90 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: what was the angle of the rage that made her 91 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: go back to the school and target the teachers and 92 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: the children there? To Ken Trump, joining you President National 93 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: School Safety and Security Services and author of Proactive School 94 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: Security and Emergency Preparedness Planning, and boy do we need 95 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: you now. According to all the sources, Covenant School said 96 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: all their doors were closed and locked. But I find 97 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: that really hard to believe because how did the shooter 98 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: get in? And this, again is a school she attended, 99 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: which makes me wonder if she knew about some entrance 100 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: that the rest of us don't know. Again, the name 101 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: Audrey now aiden, Hell, what do you think, Ken Trump? 102 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: I think that there's obviously some grievance something that attracted 103 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: her to that particular school. With regard to the time 104 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: of day, Yes, school and shooting do happen earlier morning, 105 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: sometime as breakfast as kids arrive at nine thirty, by 106 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: ten thirty, ten o'clock, maybe up to eleven, they're actually 107 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: starting school lunch period, so you tend to have more 108 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: movement around. As far as the building itself, reports say 109 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: that the building the doors were locked and possibly confirmed 110 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: that they have shot out the glass out of the 111 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: door and stepped through. We saw that similar pattern in 112 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: Sandy Hook. I served as an expert witness and the 113 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Civil Integation on the defense for Sandy Hook inspected that 114 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: building prior to it being taken down. It was not 115 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: the entrance doorway, but the glass next to that and 116 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: then stepped through that. Well. I did hear in that 117 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: video of the officer's body cam in school, people were 118 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: outside immediately feeding information that they knew, albeit limited to 119 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: those officers, So that was certainly helpful as well. But 120 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like that there was some detailed planning, possibly 121 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: some surveillance of that area is certainly some diagrams of 122 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: maps and doors where there was some planning involved. Absolutely, 123 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: Ken Trump, And you're right. The school does say they 124 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: had all the doors closed and locked. She did blow out, 125 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: shoot out glass and go through the glass. And I'm 126 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: referring to Audrey Aidan Hale, aged twenty eight, who actually 127 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: attended Covenant School. Why target to school? Why target little children? 128 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: Children so young? Having no idea? What was going on? Hi? Guys, 129 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace here join us now on Fox Nation for 130 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: our brand new special Children of Serial Killers, a Nancy 131 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Grace investi Parents by day, Killers by night? But what 132 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: about the sons and daughters of brutal murderers? Are they 133 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: forever haunted by their parents crimes? What happens when they 134 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: find out mommy or Daddy's a killer? In this new special, 135 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,119 Speaker 1: we investigate the lives of children of serial killers, weaving 136 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: the timelines of the parents crimes into their home lives. 137 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: Speaking directly with sons and daughters of serial killers, including 138 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: the children of the Craigslist killer, the Chameleon killer, and more, 139 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: we hear from experts in the field. Don't miss this. 140 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: Join us now for Children of Serial Killers and Nancy 141 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: Grace investigation, streaming exclusively on Foxnation. Go to foxnation dot 142 00:10:47,760 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: com to watch Time Stories with Nancy Grace. I want 143 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: to go to Peyton mus Joining me Fox seventeen. Speaking 144 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: of what Ken Trump just said regarding maps and planning. 145 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Apparently maps, plans, even a written manifesto regarding what they 146 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: were doing, have been found. But what can you tell 147 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: me about these maps and these plans? So so far, 148 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: we know that there was maps drawn out of the 149 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: school in detail of surveillance regarding the Covenant School, and 150 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: apparently their teacher said yesterday that there is a second 151 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: location that the shooter was contemplating going to, but there 152 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: was too much surveillance there. We don't know that second location. 153 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: Would they have not provided that, but decided Hale decided 154 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: to go to the Covenant School because she knew there 155 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: was less surveillance there. Guys, take listen to our friends 156 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: at Fox eleven. The suspect shoots through a side door 157 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: in this surveillance video released by Nashville Police. Then you 158 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: can see the person identified by police as Audrey Hale 159 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: stepped through the door to begin her rampage. Later, the 160 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: twenty eight year old is seen pacing the hallway heavily 161 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: armed as alarms are blaring. Hale enters the church office 162 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: and then eventually heads towards another door. We then see 163 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: Hale walking past the children's ministry. Police say the shooter 164 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: was a former student at the school, so this is 165 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: a very familiar area for the shooter. The shooter went 166 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: to school here, the shooter knows the layout. They understand 167 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: how to get from floor to floor in the easiest manner, 168 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: which room to visit first, where all the students are, 169 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: where the teachers are at that time of the morning. 170 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: This was like shooting a fish and a barrel. Once 171 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: the shooter got in by shooting out glass and then 172 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: just stepping through. Very difficult to believe that this shooter 173 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: could get in with all the doors closed and locked, 174 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: but apparently the shooter knew this and managed to find 175 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: a way. Listen to more photos show the desperation and 176 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: pain in the faces of this tight knit Christian community. 177 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: Some parents communicating with their kids during the lockdown. I'm 178 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: still telling him send just be aware of your surroundings. 179 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: We don't not sure if it's just one shooter, you 180 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: know how to get out the building. You know, these 181 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: are conversations we shouldn't be having. We're failing our children. 182 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: We're learning more about the victims killed, including this woman, 183 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: doctor Katherine Kountz, was the head of the Covenant School. 184 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: Those who knew her say she died protecting the children 185 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: she loved. Joining me a ballistics expert firearms examiner, you 186 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: can find Leonard Romero and Ballistics Firearms Expert dot com. 187 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: Larn thank you for being with us. What do you 188 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: make all the weapons that Hale carried in? Oh, she 189 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: was heavily armed and you could see that and that 190 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: rig that she had on. Described the rig the sheeter 191 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: had on. It basically is it allows you to carry 192 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: the rifle of at your side so you can bring 193 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: it up very quickly, and it also allows you to 194 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: carry that ar type pistol and also has ammunition pouches 195 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: so that you could go ahead and carry additional magazines 196 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: in it. I mean, wait a minute, wait a minute, 197 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: you got you gotta slow down for me, Leonard Romero. 198 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's like the sheeter is dressed up like 199 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Rambo yep to go in and gun down babies, little children, 200 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: and some school teachers. It's like the sheet is like 201 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: going to crawl through the jungle an experienced some type 202 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: of attacks and ambush. Oh yes, I mean she's totally ready. 203 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: I meant outfitted for, like you said, some sort of battle. 204 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: It's horrific to think that's how she's thinking. What's interesting too, 205 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: are the markings, are the stickers that are on the 206 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: firearms themselves. One of the firearms had held riser or 207 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: something written on it. I meant so, I meant, yeah, 208 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: she was totally outfitted for combat. You know, which is 209 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, so disturbing the way she was just rigged 210 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: up with all of that ammunition and all those weapons. 211 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: You know, that's a very powerful around at two two 212 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: three rounds described Tell me about the two twenty three. 213 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: Two twenty three is a rifle round. It's a small 214 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: bullet that trials that had extremely high velocity um. It 215 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: was used during the Vietnam War, still used in the 216 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: military now. It's a very popular realm with shooters because 217 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: it's very light to carry, so you can carry a 218 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: lot of ammunition with you. So, but it's an extremely powerful, 219 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: rightful realm. And then of course she had that nine 220 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: millimeter pistol as well from the photos that I reviewed 221 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: in all but I mean, yeah, she was totally loaded 222 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: down with a lot of ammunition. To go into the 223 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: elementary area of a tiny little Christian school that the 224 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: shooter had actually attended, You know, it would be like 225 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: me going into my little church back home and making 226 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: Georgia the Liberty United Methodist Church. I can tell you 227 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: every nook and cranny of that church, growing up in 228 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: that church. So this was what it was like for 229 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: the shooter. To just imagine those first steps, Jason Ocean 230 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: and think about it, Jason, think about your synagogue and 231 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: your children that have been there over and over and over. 232 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: It's by memory. You could close your eyes and walk 233 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: down the halls. I mean, it has its own special 234 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: smell to it. I remember I took the children to 235 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: my church back home so many times. They said, why 236 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: is the Methist church everywhere you go smell the same? 237 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: And my daughter said, because God's in the carpet. That's good. 238 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: Actually in the car. I mean you could close your 239 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: eyes and walk through right and imagine the shooter shooting 240 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: out in the glass and that first step in to 241 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: the little church that Hale knew so well, Well, there's 242 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: an intimacy as we're talking about. She knew that very 243 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: very well. The shooter has a great intimate knowledge of 244 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: the surroundings, and even as she's walking, it seems that 245 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: there was a conness because she knew where she was going, 246 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: and so that allowed her to tactically have an advantage. 247 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: So whoa wait, practically have an advantage over what the 248 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: nine year olds versus entering a building you're unfamiliar with. 249 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: So that gave her an advantage. She had that edge 250 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: of knowing where she was going versus turning the wrong way, 251 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: entering a building you're unfamiliar with and you make the 252 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: wrong move. She knew the shooter knew exactly what she 253 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: was doing. Nancy Ken Trump jump in, Kim, because when 254 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: I just said nine year olds, I thought about my 255 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: twins at nine years old, so innocent, so trusting, and 256 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: really they still are because I know it's wrong and 257 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm raising them in a bubble or trying to. But 258 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: these little children had no idea what was coming. But 259 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: they were afraid, Kim. Because many of them were hiding, 260 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: hiding in closets, hiding under desks, They knew something horrible 261 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: was happening. Any school shooting is horrible, but when it 262 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: such as the youngest that it's even more difficult and 263 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: harder to process. But for the physical environment you're talking, 264 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: we do security and emergency planning assessment in schools for 265 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: the last three decades. Every setting is different, independent schools, 266 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: public schools, Christian schools. But those schools that are attached, 267 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: whether they're Catholic, Christian, other type of schools that have 268 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: a place of worship and they're attached, are you run 269 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: into some unique issues depending on the design. You have 270 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: legitimate users during the course of the day coming into 271 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: the facilities for worshiping purposes, you have ministry purposes going on, 272 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: and then you have the education components. So the question 273 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: is is there a way to separate access control of 274 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: that wing into that section. But in this case, as 275 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: you've said, walking through the one area into the other, 276 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: we always have to take a look at is there 277 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: some additional barrier that you can put to have them 278 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: still connected in the same facility as part of that 279 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: unique environment, but at the same time where access to 280 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: them can't just immediately be gained. But when you've got 281 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: somebody who's shooting out the glass. You have a whole 282 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: different dynamic coming into play, but just the idea of 283 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: in a place of worship having the educational piece the 284 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: school in there. Sometimes we find that there's a very 285 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: thin line between those functions, those different sections, and it 286 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: creates some additional security concerns. With an assault style rifle 287 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: in hand, Hell shoots down the door of the National 288 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: Area School, stalking the hallways before opening fire on nine 289 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: year olds and administrators. And at first, as I said, 290 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: I found it so hard to believe the school just 291 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: wasn't doing their job, because they must not have had 292 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 1: the doors closed in a lot they did. The shooter 293 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: guns their way into the facility to gun down little children. 294 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher joining me, renowned medical examiner for the 295 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: entire state of Florida, also lecturers University Florida Medical School 296 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: and is the founder and host of the International Forensic 297 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher, I'd like to believe 298 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: the children didn't feel anything. That's how I always, you know, 299 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: explain it in my head. They didn't feel anything. But 300 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: the truth is they probably did well. The automatic weapons 301 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: when they strike the body, as the other Pinelists said, 302 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: it's a very small round, but it travels at a 303 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: very fast velocity. So the entrance wound in the human 304 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: body is very small, but the exit wound is tremendous, 305 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: you know. And through the exit wound goes a lot 306 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: of the organs, the blood, the bone, and the tissue, 307 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: you know. So it depends on where the person was struck. 308 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: If they were struck in vital organs, they may not 309 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: have felt anything. Their death would have been so immediate, 310 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, before they can feel the effects of the 311 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: bullets on them, so that you know, in this case, 312 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't have any information as to where they were struck, 313 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: but they were pronounced deceased when they arrived at a 314 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: medical facility. You know. I'm interested in this manifesto, the 315 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: shooter wrote, and I'm looking at a picture right now. 316 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: It's as if the shooter has decided to go commando. 317 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: I expect to see the shoter just swinging down from 318 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: a tree like she's fighting the Vietcong in the Vietnamese War, 319 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: dressed in camo cap on backwards. I guess what to 320 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: keep hair out of the eyes to make sure you 321 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: get a good shot at a nine year old and 322 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: as you heard our Melissa's expert Leonard Romero speaking, she's 323 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: wearing someone of a sling on her on the left 324 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: side and saying this is actually a female transitioning into male. 325 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: Audrey Hall, age twenty eight, wearing a sling on her 326 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: left side because they, I guess, want to have as 327 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: much AMMO as possible to gun down. Let's see seven, 328 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: eight nine the third graders. Guys, what do we know 329 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: about Audrey Hell? Take a listen to our cut thirty two. 330 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: This police Chief John Drake. The person we know is 331 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: Audrey Hall. She's a twenty eight year old Nashvillian. We 332 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: have belief, or we feel that it's very strongly that 333 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: she went to school here in the Nashville area, and 334 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: she went to that actual school, and and so okay, 335 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: there's some belief that there was some resent having to 336 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: go to that school. Don't have all the details of 337 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: that just yet, and that's why this incident occurred, resentment 338 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: over having to quote go to that school. And a 339 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: lot has been made that Audrey Hill is a female 340 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: transitioning to a male doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if 341 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: the shooter is male or female transitioning, not transitioning. This 342 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: shooter killed three nine year olds plus gundown administrators as well, 343 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: administrators dedicated to teaching children, and now we learn of 344 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: some freaky manifesto. It reminds me of the unibomber. To 345 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: doctor Teresa Gil do you remember the unibomber? I hate 346 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: to even say it. Take Kazinski's name, so full of himself, 347 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: so pompous that he had to leave a manifesto much 348 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: as this shooter, a clear detailed account of what they 349 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: were thinking and feeling and what they were planning, and 350 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: based in rage and righteousness. So we will see what 351 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: comes out of her manifesto. Gunning down so many people, 352 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: including three nine year old children, what more do we know? 353 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Director Don Aaron at the National PD. 354 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: She entered the building, which is one structure. The church 355 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: in the school are in one building. She entered on 356 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: the lower floor. There were shops fired on the lower 357 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: floor before she went to the upper level, and it 358 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 1: was on the upper level where she was confronted by 359 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: police and killed. So understand, the scene processing will take 360 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: place over at least two days today and tomorrow, and 361 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: we'll have more details for you, including the release of 362 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: video apps tonight, but it's not tonight, certainly tomorrow. We 363 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: know that the National Schools shooter was an artist, and 364 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: that she had copious notes regarding the shooting, a lot 365 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: of drawings. It makes me realize, Peyton Mews joining me 366 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: Fox seventeen, it's very unlikely they knew any of the victims. Well, 367 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: we know Metro Police John Drake had mentioned that they 368 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: were not sure whether or not Hale knew any of 369 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: the victims. I know they were not able to confirm 370 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: whether or not there was any kind of connection that 371 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: she had with the victims, meaning the children and or 372 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: the staff. Maybe maybe Peyton, maybe the top administrator, but 373 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: unlikely the substitute teacher, and unlikely the custodian, depending on 374 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: how long the sub and the custodian had been there. 375 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: Had they been there since the inception of the school, 376 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: Were they there when the shooter went there? I mean 377 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: the shooters twenty eight had to be a while back 378 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: that the shooter went there. So are you saying, Peyton, 379 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: we're still trying to get any connection, if any, between 380 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: the shooter and the victims. Yes, that's exactly what I'm 381 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: saying Nancy here. I know metro beliefs. They told me earlier. 382 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: There's so much information and so much material that they 383 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: have to go through that they still have to go 384 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: through right now and hopefully later today we'll get more 385 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: on the manifesto, more on whether or not there's a 386 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: connection with those victims and the shooters, you know, Jason Otions. 387 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: Another thing to consider is that the mother of the 388 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: shooter was very anti gun and wanted gun control and 389 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: had many posts decrying school shootings. Is this some way 390 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: of lashing out at the shooters mother? But isn't this extreme, 391 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: don't you think, Jason Oceans, You're angry because you had 392 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: to go to a certain school, so you go shoot 393 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: it up like a mad person. Yeah, clearly high level 394 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: of disturbance and doesn't know if you know, I don't 395 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: think we knew yet, Whether you know, the manifesto will 396 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: will create some of the answers that we're seeking. Mother's 397 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: stricter regarding guns, angry at school, angry at you know, 398 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: whatever the anger is that allowed her to, uh, you know, 399 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: to create this tragedy. I'm looking at something. Doctor Dersa Gail, 400 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: Professors psychology and psychotherapist of some of the shooters, Art 401 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: and I definitely use quotas for that one that really 402 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: intrigued me. As a child's tennis shoes underneath pjason socks 403 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: looking up at the sky and it says to be 404 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: a kid forever? And ever, what does that mean? That's 405 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: really interesting? I think she's quite right. She did well 406 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: in college. She did well in school. But they have 407 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: difficulty with initiating social interactions and managing successful responses and 408 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: social situations. However, they have difficult to make an eye contact, 409 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: keeping on pace with communication with other people, and meant 410 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: although they have difficulties in those areas, they are extremely sensitive. Well, 411 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: apparently this sheter did not have those difficulties. Because high 412 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: school friends of Hale's were shot to find out Hall 413 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: was a shooter. They described her as an outgoing girl 414 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: that they ran track with. That really doesn't sound like 415 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: someone that can't make friends. One of the things she 416 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: loved to do was to run around in the playground. 417 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: So my senses that there's this kidlike person in there. 418 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: You could say that about Michael Jackson too. What does 419 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: that mean to me? Nothing? You continue to say nine 420 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: year old, nine year olds any perpetrator, because I've dealt 421 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: with victims for thirty plus years. Any perpetrator will pick 422 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: out the most vulnerable because those are the ones that 423 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: they can be hurtful to and direct their age on. 424 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: And so of course nine year olds and and you know, 425 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: pay through sixth grade and people who are in their 426 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: sixties that do not have weapons, that would be the 427 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: first place to go. In fact, she had another place 428 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: it's intending to go to that she decided not to 429 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: because it was too heavily surveiled. So she did what 430 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: most perpetrators do, and she picked the most vulnerable. Time 431 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace to Leonard Romero and doctor Tim Gallagher. 432 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: First to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the State 433 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, you and I discussed did the 434 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: children feel anything or were they killed instantly? They suffered fear, 435 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, because the other classmates were the ones that survived, 436 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: were all hiding in closets and under desk, anywhere they 437 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: could hide. So these children were most likely hiding as well. 438 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: They knew something was horribly wrong. Somebody had to tell 439 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: them there was danger. They were crouching around the school 440 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: and then they had to see the shooter coming toward them. 441 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: And feel extreme fear. I mean, if you are still 442 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: conscious when you get when you sustain a gunshot wound, 443 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: tell us what that feels like. This is what these 444 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: little third graders experienced, right, Well, they were under a 445 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: lot of emotional turmoil here. Of course, there was to fear, 446 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: you know. But one thing I noticed in the video 447 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: was that there was a light flashing as though it 448 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: was like the fire alarm. You know. And when we 449 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: were in school, anytime we heard the fire alarm, we 450 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: got up, walk through the halls, and we left. So 451 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: now these children are being inundated by a very mixed signals. 452 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, there's the fire alarm, it's time to get 453 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: up and go, and then someone else telling them, most 454 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: likely no, there's it's not a fire alarm. Instead of leaving, 455 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: stay in the building, you know, and hide yourself, you know. 456 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: So they were going through several orders of emotion there. 457 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: But yes, when you do suffer a fatal wound it 458 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: has been or a serious wound, the fear is there. 459 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: But then as the strength leaves the body, the people 460 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: tend to develop a sense of peace, a sense of acceptance, 461 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: and a sense of this is my faith. I'm probably 462 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: not going to survive this enough a child would think 463 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: that that rationally, Well, I, you're right, and we're dealing 464 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: with nine year olds here, And to tell you the truth, 465 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: there's really not a lot of experience in this age 466 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: category with this type of weaponry, with this type of injury. 467 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: You know, Um, when they do occur, they occur in 468 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: clusters and then very space from each other. So it's 469 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: very hard to collect this type of information, you know. 470 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: But I could imagine them, you know, wanting their parents, 471 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 1: you know, wanting their friends, not wanting to be alone, 472 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: and then the shooting itself tearing through their body. But 473 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: the shooter just kept going to literal Romero ballistics expert, 474 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: what would this particular caliber bullet do to a body? 475 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: For instance, there are hollow points that do a certain 476 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: thing there, there's bullets that mushroom inside your body. What 477 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: do these bullets do? Like the Good Doctor alluded to earlier, Um, 478 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: it's a bolt CALIBERT bullet that's coming in at a 479 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: high speed. So in my experience, the wounds are devastating 480 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: that I've seen that have the where a person's been 481 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: shot with the two two three, So it's coming in 482 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,479 Speaker 1: at quite a high speed. And again it depends where 483 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: the person was shot. Kind of just to add a 484 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: point with regards to the fear, this is an extremely 485 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: loud ground. When you fire these things, it's very loud 486 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: and scary and scary exactly. So I'm here, you know, 487 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: with everything else going on in the flashing of the 488 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: light and everything else that couple that with the sound. 489 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it had been horrific for these 490 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: poor people, you know. And of course it's become a 491 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: political football like everything else is. And I want everyone 492 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: to take a listen to what our president said immediately 493 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: after these people we're gunned down dead, including third graders 494 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: and their teachers. They're cut odeon their administrator. Look, I 495 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: hate politics. I don't trust Republicans or Democrats, but I 496 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: especially want you to hear what our president had to 497 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: say in our cut five. My name is Joe Biden. 498 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: I'm doctor Joe Biden's husband, and I Chey's ice cream 499 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: chocolate Chip. I came down because I heard there was 500 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: chocolate chip ice cream. By the way, I have a 501 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: whole refrigerator fall upstairs. I think I'm kidding. No, No, 502 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm ben. How are you pale? One of the best 503 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: guys in the United States Congress Ben Cardon, folks, welcome 504 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: to the White House. What is wrong with him? Seriously? 505 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: What is wrong with him? Jason Ocean's my longtime friend 506 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: and colleague. You know, I hate politics. I think everybody 507 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: in politics, for the most part, not all of them, 508 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: are all lying just to get reelected. But what is that? 509 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: Why did I have to hear that? How do you 510 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: think those children's parents feel when they see him trot 511 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: out if he could find his way to the podium 512 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: that is and say that, Yeah, that was callous relative 513 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: to the message that he could talk about it just 514 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: just so inappropriate. You got to know that there's a 515 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: hot mic there at old times and it doesn't connect 516 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: to the messaging after really horrible timing, Just horrible to 517 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: come out and say that when people are looking for 518 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: leadership and help, and that's what we get. You know what, 519 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms. But I want 520 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: to talk about the two officers, the gun down, the 521 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: shooter Peyton News. Tell me about it, Nancy. One other 522 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to tell you. There was no private 523 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: school did not require and they did not have an 524 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: s RO on their campus. Two brave officers manage to 525 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: take down and the shooter or take a listen to 526 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: our friends at ABC. Authorities say the shooter was armed 527 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: with these guns, two assault style rifles and a handgun, 528 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: two of which were obtained legally and locally. The first 529 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 1: about eight or ten shots were very loud. Police say 530 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 1: when the tactical team of five officers arrived, the shooter 531 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: began firing at them from a second floor window, hitting 532 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: their cruisers. Multiple laye comes down inside the school. Shooter 533 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: is down as now as well. Fourteen minutes after that 534 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: first call at ten twenty seven, these two officers, rex 535 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: Ingelbert and Michael Collazo confronting and killing the shooter. Rex 536 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: Engelbert and Michael Pozzo straight back out to Peyton muse 537 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: Where did they find the shooter and gun the shooter down? 538 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: So from the video what I saw, I know they 539 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: found the shooter on these second floor and rex Ingelbert 540 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: officer Angle is a four year MNPE vetter in and 541 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: then Michael Colozo is a nine year veteran. The two 542 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: of them found her on the second floor. I want 543 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: to circle back to Ken Trump, president of a National 544 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: School Safety and Security Services, would have could have shoot. 545 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: Now Peyton mus is telling me, and she's correct that 546 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: the school did not have a resource officer there. I 547 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: don't know that that would have made a difference. They 548 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: didn't have metal detectives. I don't think that would have 549 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: made a difference, since the shooter would have known about 550 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: them having attended there and also managed to side stuff 551 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: that by shooting shooting their way in. But what could 552 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: schools do help us? Ken Trump metal detector or a 553 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: weapons detection system with artificial intelligence is like going to 554 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: prevent or even intervene in the inth that happened in Nashville. 555 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: Most private schools do not have school resource officers. They're 556 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: public officers through law enforcement agencies that are assigned to 557 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: traditionally to public schools. They do have in a number 558 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: of the private schools where you've assessed security for off 559 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: duty officers a cadre of their own force in some 560 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: but not all. So that's a tool because that would 561 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: cut down even tighter on response time if an officers 562 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: they are and able to engage that. The officers here 563 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: did a tremendous job. It seems like forever if you're 564 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: in the midst of that. But they move quickly. The 565 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: video shows them doing what training since Columbine in ninety 566 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: nine shows them to do, which you can go directly 567 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: to the shooter. But we saw a couple of other 568 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: key things. The school had trained students to lockdown. Some 569 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: schools and law enforcement are now training to self evacuate, 570 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 1: to run. But you create a target rich environment. You 571 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: want to limit your availability for someone who's trying to 572 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: take out people as many as they can as quick 573 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: they can. So good job on the lockdown, good job 574 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: on relaying information to that officer. Bottom line is this, Nancy, 575 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: I have done expert witness work on the highest profile 576 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: mask school shootings in this country, and while the facts 577 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: and merits vary on those and other crimes at school, 578 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: allegations of failures focus on allegations of failures of human factors, people, 579 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: policy procedures, training, plan lockdowns, all the drill communications, not 580 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: failures of hardware and equipment. Having that state of mind 581 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: to have your children lockdown, you limit the access to 582 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 1: the shooter as best you possibly can, certainly save lives 583 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: having someone they're relaying information to those heroic police officers 584 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: who moved to the sound of the gun fire, which 585 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: is what they're trained to do for two three decades 586 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: now is something that is critical. The Tree questions air 587 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 1: bottom line on this end on the prevention worther warning signs, 588 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: are we encouraging people to report if there were and 589 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: what are the grievances that people have? We don't know 590 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: for sure, but it may not be a grievance that 591 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: they had against the individuals in that building at that time, 592 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: but it's some type of a grievance as the chief 593 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: alluded to about the school itself. You know, Jason Oceans, 594 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 1: By the way, we'll put ken Trump while you're the expert, 595 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: Jason Oceans. You know, at first my first thought was, wow, 596 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: they didn't have the doors locked. Well, of course we 597 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 1: all know how the shooter got in. The doors didn't matter. 598 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: Did they have sensors to set off alarms? No? Would 599 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: it have made a difference. No. They didn't have a 600 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: resource officer. Would that have made a difference. Probably not. 601 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: They didn't have a metal detector. The shooter side step 602 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: that by shooting their way in. I mean, I think 603 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: we look for some way to have avoided it, to 604 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: have avoided the whole thing, but I don't think there 605 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: is one except what Trump just said, and that is 606 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: trying to see the red flags waving in front of 607 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: us nante. I think examining social media being more attentive 608 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: to that are the keys. A lot of times these manifestos, 609 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, are published and having resource in our local 610 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: PD that is scouring this relentlessly and having programs. Are 611 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: you kidding me, Jason Oshan's Seriously, local PD can hardly 612 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,320 Speaker 1: answer all the calls they get, much less take somebody 613 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: off the street to look at the internet. In a 614 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: perfect world, Yeah, but no government will give the money 615 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: to do that. That's not going to happen. I understand that. 616 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,760 Speaker 1: I think that's where the initial it's all good intel. 617 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: That's where you know, government authorities find the bad guys. 618 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: And I mean, look at the Parkland shooting. People kept 619 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: calling police, he's gonna he's gonna shoot up a school. 620 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: He's gonna shoot up a school in loud Bold. He 621 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: did shoot up to school. Everybody knew it was gonna happen. 622 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 1: I guess I'm angry right now because there's three little 623 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: children dead, three adults dead because of this shooter, so 624 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,879 Speaker 1: full of hate and I can't help, But wonder did 625 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: the shooter's family have any warning. We wait as the 626 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: facts unfold. Goodbye friend,