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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is What a Ry concert promoter Chuck Morris.

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Speaker 1: This week is titled as Chairman Emarritus of the Age

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Speaker 1: presents in both Denver and the Pacific Northwest, and he's

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Speaker 1: head of the new music business program at Colorado State University. Chuck,

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Speaker 1: good to have you. Now, this is great, Bob, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for inviting me. Okay, let's just start

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Speaker 1: with general topics. Live shows, when are they coming back? Um, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know as well as I, we need a vaccine.

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Speaker 1: You know, we we figured out our beautiful new uh

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Speaker 1: Mission ballroom which seats walt all standing thirty fifty. If

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Speaker 1: we're socially distant, we may be able to sell seven

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Speaker 1: under tickets and the band can't make a penny. We're

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Speaker 1: not in business. It's gonna need a vaccine. If I

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Speaker 1: had a guess, and it's strictly a guess, my guest

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Speaker 1: is a vaccine will go We'll start being given out.

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Speaker 1: And this is such a guess. You never know. I

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Speaker 1: think by next April to June of next year will

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Speaker 1: begin to have shows. That's my guests. Okay, just a

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Speaker 1: couple of questions. If we don't have a vaccine, no shows.

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Speaker 1: I don't see how big acts, even midsize acts can

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Speaker 1: play in our kind of halls. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: we have the Bluebird five hundred, the Odds in seventeen hundred,

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Speaker 1: the Gothic a thousand. We have big shows at the

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Speaker 1: stadiums of PEPSI, we have the our mission ballroom is

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Speaker 1: thirty d We have the first bank, which is you

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Speaker 1: can't put enough people in for the band to make

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Speaker 1: a penny. I think the tiny acts will play the

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Speaker 1: tiny rooms for fifty people and probably be happy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I was a baby act and who just wanted

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Speaker 1: to play, it's in my advantage to do that. But

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Speaker 1: the big acts, I don't see how they can do it.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I mean, do you, Uh No,

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Speaker 1: I don't either. But going back before March, before the shutdown,

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Speaker 1: how would you compare the business as opposed to the

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Speaker 1: seventies when you really got ranking and going. Our business

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Speaker 1: today up till this tragedy has been mind blowing. When

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Speaker 1: I first started, my first club was Tlagi's Nightclub and

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Speaker 1: Boulder UM. I never dreamed that I would outlive all

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Speaker 1: my rich friends who are working for record companies and

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Speaker 1: morning guys in radio and entertainment editors of newspapers, and

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Speaker 1: we outlived them all. You know, the Internet, all the

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Speaker 1: other stuff that's going on. Uh, you can replace anything

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Speaker 1: except live music. And I was always you know, I

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Speaker 1: owned clubs for first eight years, and then I started

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Speaker 1: working with Faye as his number two guy, and built

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Speaker 1: my own cup and you with Greg Pearl of b

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Speaker 1: g P Chuck Morris and went on blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: the Sects, the clear Channel to live Nation, and then

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Speaker 1: I joined my old friend Phil and Sews. I never

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Speaker 1: dreamed that live entertainment would get so big and a

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Speaker 1: big chunk of the rest of the business would be

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Speaker 1: replaced by other things and making it less well, make

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Speaker 1: making it less important. I mean I was always uh

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Speaker 1: jealous of my friend, not jealous. I never cared about

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Speaker 1: money anyway. But you know, my rich friends worked for

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Speaker 1: record companies. They were morning guys, they were newspaper editors

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Speaker 1: of music editors. They were writing for Rolling Stone and

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Speaker 1: making good money on articles. They were doing all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: While the libins we we did well, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: but I never dreamed it would be do this well,

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Speaker 1: I mean our office and God bless my great partners.

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Speaker 1: One of them happens to like you, which I worry

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Speaker 1: about Don Strassburg and Brent for Trees, who will be

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Speaker 1: taking over my position as the number one person. I've

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Speaker 1: been with them twenty seven years. Um, I have a

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Speaker 1: dream to it get this big. You know it used

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Speaker 1: to be in the old days. I think you'll agree

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Speaker 1: with this. People would go on the road to sell

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Speaker 1: albums because that's where they made all their money. Today,

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Speaker 1: can sell more tickets on the road. That's where they

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Speaker 1: make all their money. Okay, so I agree with you totally.

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Speaker 1: In terms of being the promoter. How has it changed

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Speaker 1: in terms of deals from then to today? The bands? Uh? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I hate old promoters that liked the

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Speaker 1: old days and either leave the business or complain about it.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's a much better business. I don't mind

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Speaker 1: the fact that there's more lawyers and accountants and people

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Speaker 1: that protect the bands, the customers, even the promoters and everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm not one of those old guys that said, oh

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Speaker 1: I wish there's the old way where we could you know,

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Speaker 1: bullshit away with expenses. You know, every agency has their

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Speaker 1: own marketing people, their own accountants, their own everything. Tour

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Speaker 1: managers are as sharpest that can get. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's a better business for that. And I've learned how

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Speaker 1: to change. That's why I've survived this long up until now.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm I'm doing something that I've wanted for

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Speaker 1: love my whole life. Well, we'll certainly get deeper into that,

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Speaker 1: but going with this statement just made how have you

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Speaker 1: changed over the years in terms of business. Um, I've

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Speaker 1: people now, you know, make deals and go through them

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Speaker 1: and number by number. I've learned that you have to

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Speaker 1: be straight in today's world. I mean in the old days,

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Speaker 1: let's be real, in the seventies, even into the eighties,

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Speaker 1: we were all partying, we were all having it was

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Speaker 1: a great business. I had more fun than you can believe,

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Speaker 1: but I mean I got sober. I've been sober ever

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Speaker 1: since because my body was breaking down and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: what was going on was how it was changing, and

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Speaker 1: I think all for the better, I really really do. Okay, So, uh,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about an act that can sell arenas or larger.

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Speaker 1: Traditionally they're taking about nine So if you're lucky, if

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Speaker 1: you're okay. So where does the promoter make their money today?

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Speaker 1: Promoter makes his money if he owns a building. You

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Speaker 1: make it on food and beverage, an alcohol, and some

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Speaker 1: on ticketing if you have your own ticketing company, or

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Speaker 1: corporate sponsorship. As far as the door is concerned, the

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Speaker 1: the door. You have to make it an answering income

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Speaker 1: I remember the first deals I made. One of the

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Speaker 1: first acts, Big Acts, one of the first acts that

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Speaker 1: played for me was the Doobie Brothers in seventy one

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Speaker 1: on my first club nineteen seventy actually listen to the music,

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Speaker 1: was just breaking their first fifth single. I gave them

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Speaker 1: We didn't show any expenses because it didn't matter. They

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Speaker 1: Bold of Colorado. My club's always just so well. So

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Speaker 1: they didn't care, and so there was never any settlements.

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Speaker 1: They made half the door. Yeah, they count of the tickets,

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Speaker 1: It was just a different ballgame. The bands, the promoters

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Speaker 1: Today's days have changed now. Don't know if you get

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Speaker 1: Irving was the first that I love. Irving one of

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Speaker 1: my oldest dearest friends. I did this second Eagles Day

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Speaker 1: when they played for me in my club too, Lodgy's,

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Speaker 1: Elliot Robinson, David Geffen, I don't even know if he

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Speaker 1: And it was it was the last week in November

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Speaker 1: We're gonna work a week and ask them that little

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Speaker 1: the Goldberghnes and My Club, and it was the four

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Speaker 1: night and they were amazing. But I I watched history

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Speaker 1: because I saw Glenn John's taking notes. But they were

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Speaker 1: talk about dates that you buy where you're losing money.

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Speaker 1: What happens then, both in the past and in today. Um.

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Speaker 1: Dick Gregory at Ebbottsfield, my second club. I named it

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seventy one, maybe two at Ebbittsfield and tore

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Speaker 1: about eighty people, and I gave him twenty dollars, which

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Speaker 1: stand up, so he wasn't seting tickets much as a

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Speaker 1: he got killed to night, didn't you. I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got killed. He said, I'm gonna tell you something.

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Speaker 1: You pay me whatever you think is fair. And I

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Speaker 1: wrote out a chapter half the money never happened since

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Speaker 1: only time in my career that an artist ever did that.

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Speaker 1: That was Dick Gregory. I will never forget that as

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Speaker 1: long as I live. It was the sweetest, kindest, wonderful thing.

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Speaker 1: And I needed the money because we were getting murdered

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Speaker 1: and that never happened again. Okay, so when we you

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Speaker 1: know what the conventional wisdom today is no one gives

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Speaker 1: money back to Live Nation because it's a public company. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Were you the outlier or were really other? You know?

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Speaker 1: years four years older. Usually the oldest. All the hopes

428
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: and dreams are in the oldest, and they sort of

429
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: coddle the younger. What was it like in your family? Well,

430
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: I was a really excellent student. I graduated from Forests

431
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: High School when I was sixteen because they had something,

432
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: you know, called the sp where you can skip the

433
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: eighth grade and do seven, eight and nine and two years.

434
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: And I started kindergarten when I was four because I

435
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: passed some i Q tests and started so I graduated

436
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: high school at sixteen, went to Queen's College. Actually, Paul

437
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: Simon an Arty garfen Call went to Horses I school

438
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: in Queen's College with me, although they were four years

439
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: ahead of me any time, and graduated with me. And

440
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: I was real good friends with in high school and college.

441
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: But anyway, came out to Boulder, and I don't even

442
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: know what Colorado was because we didn't have any money,

443
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: but they gave me a scholarship to go for a

444
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: PhD and political science. I love government. That's probably what

445
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: I've done fifty benefits for a whole bunch of politicians,

446
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: especially my boy John Hickenlooper will be arranging a new

447
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: one for a Senate campaign. But I go back with

448
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: Gary Hart and Pat Schroeder and all the liberal Democratic

449
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: politicians that I've done. I love politics. Was on my

450
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: way to a doctor at twenty two and a half,

451
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: but I I spent my youth buying albums and going

452
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Speaker 1: to concerts. My father is a school teacher. During the summer,

453
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: he would be a camp counselor at Lake Should talk

454
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: with New York, which is the greatest place. It's a

455
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: summer resort and they have an Amphitheater there and they

456
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: have music and symphony and all sorts of stuff. I

457
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: went there. We sigment with my dad's as as a

458
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: camp counselor, and I started. I saw the Kingston Trio

459
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: when I was eleven years old, and I saw God.

460
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I went to see again. I stuck in the front row,

461
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: sat on the floor, and I fell in love with

462
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: folk music. Absolutely fell in love with folk music. I

463
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: bought every album of all the old folk eas In fact,

464
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: can you see that? Yes I can, It says born

465
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: to Folk. I finally my kid, who has tattoos, convinced me.

466
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: I said, I always wanted this, but I never had

467
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: the nerve out of way till my Jewish mother died.

468
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: But I finally got that. But I fell in love

469
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: with folk music. I saw the Kingston Trio, brought up

470
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: Tenor Martin for string guitar like Nick Reynolds of the band,

471
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: played in a couple of folk bands. Was not very good,

472
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: but I lived for music. I also, when we got

473
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: my father became an assistant principal. We made a few

474
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: extra books. So we moved to the poorer part of

475
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: our hills and I went to the far Stills west

476
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: Side Terence Club where they had shows even in those days,

477
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: and saw Bob Dylan and a whole bunch of other acts,

478
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: and just lived for music Board every album when it

479
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: came out, just but I didn't know how to get

480
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: into music becauseiness, I didn't know anybody. I knew Eddie

481
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Simon and the Simon family, but that was it. And

482
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: after two years of doing well in graduate school at

483
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: a very young age, so wait, wait, after those two years,

484
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: what year are we in chronologically? Nineteen sixty? He was

485
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: so two years of graduate school, I was gonna quit

486
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: graduate school and try to make it in the entertainment

487
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: business because that's what I really loved. And my parents

488
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: almost they disowned me. They thought I was having a

489
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: nervous breakdown. My father was a brilliant guy, a school teacher,

490
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: you know, five et, a captain and Greek and Latin,

491
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: but it was a school teacher and they didn't understand

492
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: I quit graduate school. I was a great student and

493
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in music, which my parents did

494
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: not understand. And just just before we go, you were

495
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: studying what instant at university policide constantly, I was getting

496
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: a doctorate in constitutional You are and I was a

497
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: twenty year old t a at c U. Okay, I'm

498
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: about twelve years old. Okay, And what was the dream

499
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: once you did get the pH d. I didn't have

500
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: a dream. I like politics, and I guess I didn't

501
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: have end up either being a lobbyist like my daughter

502
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: has become, or teach teacher. Okay, SI in college. Okay,

503
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: so you say I'm leaving to I'm leaving school. I

504
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: want to be in the entertainment business. And what is

505
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: the next move? The next move is I got friendly

506
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: with a guy named Herbie Cavar. Herbie Cavar owned the

507
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: most popular bar on the hill in Bold called the Sink.

508
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: The Sink was deep place to get a beer and

509
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: listen to a jukebox and have fun. It's still around.

510
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: It's been around and Bolded for forty years anyway, fifty

511
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: years maybe more. And one day I told him I

512
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: dropped out and I wanted to do something with people.

513
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I used to have a beer with him every night

514
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: when I left New Orleans Library after I studied, and

515
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: I told him I had quit and I wanted to

516
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: do something with people, maybe music, although they didn't have

517
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: live music at the time of the sink, and he said,

518
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, my manager of the sink just quit. People

519
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: love you. You're really smart. Why don't you manage to sink?

520
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Which was the number one three too bar in the state.

521
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: It took a half hour to get in there on

522
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon and there was no cover charge, just

523
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: to show an I d that's how busy it was,

524
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: and I decided to take to try it. In fact,

525
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: I said I never took a business class. I didn't

526
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: know anything about He said, no, you'd be great. I

527
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: started managing the sink in night and started booking local

528
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: bands in the back room. Some of them became famous.

529
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: One of them was this wonderful kid guitar player named

530
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: Tommy Bolan, who was one of the greatest that ever lived.

531
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: Ran away from Sioux City, Iowa, started playing little clubs

532
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: and Boulder became best friends with him. He played the

533
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: upstairs of the sink for me. Another one with a

534
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: bunch of dropouts from SEU named Flash Cadillac and the

535
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Continental Kids, who they played in the back room for

536
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: me for a keg of beer. Second show they ever did.

537
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: They ended up being a regular on Happy Days and

538
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: then with the movie American Graffiti. They're still touring, by

539
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: the way since then, and I started booking local bands,

540
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: some of them became well known in the In the

541
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: upstairs of the sink, I also did something I knew

542
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I was a good promoter when I did something really nuts.

543
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: The Sink jut box was the only music at that

544
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: point before I started booking, putting local bands in the

545
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: back room for free, and it was a successful jukebox.

546
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: And I came up with this crazy idea that I

547
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: was gonna make forty five's out of album cuts in

548
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: that jute box. Companies didn't give to the ju box.

549
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: To the juke boxes, there was always the top forty hits.

550
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: So I did a forty five of like the long

551
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: range of hit. I did it stuff from you know,

552
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: movies that people love, but they never were singles. And

553
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: it became the biggest two box in history of the

554
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: state if people would go in there to play those

555
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: songs that they couldn't get in any other juke box anywhere.

556
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: And I did stuff like that, and I knew I

557
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: had a natural inclintion to promote music. And after about

558
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: two and a half years, I convinced herby that we

559
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: ought to take a bankrupt club called to Logs, which

560
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: was up the street right next to Don's Fox. By

561
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: the way, it's still there, although it's now a lot

562
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: of other stores. The signs still up because it's histark

563
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: and just stopping for one second when you started to

564
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: manage the sink, that is, when you dropped out of

565
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: school or were still going to school. But I know

566
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: I dropped out of school. Okay, so you you you find,

567
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: you find two loggies. I convinced herby because I still

568
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: have no money. Because I, to be honest, I party

569
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: too much. I love cars, women and having fun. I

570
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: did very well. But those were the seventies and sixties,

571
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: like sixties and Boulder, Colorado, for God's sakes, I mean

572
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: you know. Um. In fact, I'll tell you quick story.

573
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: Tommy Bowling became one of my best friends, became one

574
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: of the greatest guitarist. Was in Deep Purple. James Gang

575
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: um odd and died too young. I had which comedian

576
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: that I had, Oh god, what's his name? He died

577
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: a while ago. But I walked. I walked in and

578
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: Tommy wanted to meet him, and we walked into the

579
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: dressing When I was doing the show, and um, he

580
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: looked at me and and said, I got a feeling

581
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: I really want to get some pot. And I got

582
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: the feeling that the guy with hair down his back,

583
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: with pink hair in bold of Colorado knows how me

584
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: to get score some pot. Which he was right. Of course, Tommy,

585
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: you know how to get pot. But it was Bob

586
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: what's his name? Great comedian, but it was a funny line.

587
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: That's another story. So so I I convinced her me

588
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: to put the money up. I owned a small piece.

589
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: I did the whole thing book Did you do? You

590
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: do you remember how much money he had to put up?

591
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't that much. It was a rental deal. We

592
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: never owned the building. We remodeled it. We opened up

593
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: with the hottest band ever in Colorado that never made

594
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: it nationally, Tommy Boland's band, Zephyr. And in a period

595
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: of three years in blues, I had John Lee Hook

596
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: of Money Waters, Lightning Hopkins, Man Slips, Big Mama, Thornton, Uh,

597
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Johnny Ootis, Shug be Yotis everybody um In In Folk,

598
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I had the Dirt band who later moved there, Leo Cocky,

599
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: who I managed for years. Um Tom rushed, Tim Harden,

600
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Tom Tom Paxton, everybody in rock. I had body races.

601
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: First tour. I had the first tour of zz Top,

602
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: which was amazing. I mean, all those bands played for me.

603
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: It became one of the most successful clubs in America. Okay,

604
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: what was the capacity of Too Loggy's five hundred? And

605
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: if you once you were going, if you didn't have

606
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: the deep pocket of the guy who owned the sink,

607
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: could you have made it? I couldn't have opened the

608
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: club and I couldn't have whatce it was open? Was

609
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: it always in the black or was it up always

610
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: in the black? Did very well, but I only had

611
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: a small piece and I did everything. He never came in.

612
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he gave me my break. I'll never say

613
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: a bad thing. He's still alive in his nineties and

614
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: gave me the biggest break of my career to manage

615
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: to think and then putting up the money for a

616
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: club that became my really entree into making it as

617
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: a as a promoter. But he was wonderful, But but

618
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: I felt like, um, I wanted to have more say,

619
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do bigger concerts. And every time

620
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: I book a band, I book the first tour of

621
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: Dan Hickson, Hot Licks who were huge, and Boulder, I

622
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: mean really obscure bands that were doing just great there.

623
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: Uh cold Blood remember them, she was killer there. I

624
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: had all those bands anyway. Um, when the band's got bigger,

625
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: they played for Faye because he was the big promoter

626
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Faye Line and I wanted to do bigger shows. J J.

627
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: Cale was huge and Boulder was the first guy to

628
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: bring a man not you ever met him or see

629
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: him play. He's the greatest. He was the greatest anyway.

630
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: But when they when they got bigger, they played for

631
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Fae because he was a big promoter. And I said,

632
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: if I wanted to get big, I might have to

633
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: go into business with him. I never met him. We

634
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: fought over the phone and he always won. I tried

635
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: to do a bigger concerts and he got them, and

636
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: I realized then, at least in those days, that's the

637
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: way the business was, at least for me. There are

638
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: some people that have stayed independent. God bless him. Our

639
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: boys in Washington, he see him been like that, and

640
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: I have a total respect for them. But for me,

641
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: if I wanted to be bigger, I'd have to probably

642
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: have to get into business with Barry, who I never met,

643
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: and he was three hunder than five pounds, and we

644
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: screamed on the phone for about two years and he

645
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: always won. So one day I decided I was going

646
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: to take it, take a chance, and you're still running

647
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: two loggies as a kind of partner doing all the

648
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: work herby okay. So two and a half years later

649
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: I called Barry. I I thought he would hang up

650
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: on me because we fought on the phone. He would

651
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: ask the phone, what the fund do you want? That's

652
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: how Barry said a low if you knew anything about

653
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: I love Barry, but he was a lot different than

654
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: most people I've ever known in my life. I loved

655
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: him and a lot of ways, best man and two

656
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: of my weddings, but we were different a lot of ways.

657
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: So I called him and he said, what the fund

658
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: do you want? I said, you know, I'm this young

659
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: kid that built this big club. I'm finding acts. Linda

660
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Ronstad did a first tour there that he left the

661
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: Stone Ponies. I had all these parents, I said, and

662
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: then when they get big, they played for you at

663
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: fey Line. I want to maybe build a club with

664
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: you as a partner. Equal partner in Denver. There was

665
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: no rock club then, and then I want to go

666
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: on and do bigger shows with you, and he said,

667
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: what are you doing tomorrow night? I still remember the show.

668
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: I had stone ground to remember that band. Of course,

669
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm Warner Brothers from San Francisco. Who's the lead singer?

670
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: The same guy for the bull Rumbles? Who? Who? God?

671
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: If you had an ass not Sal Valentino, Yes, yes,

672
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: oh I love you, You're great. This is the great

673
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: And the opening act was Man Slipscomb, the old Delta

674
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: blues musician who was about eighty five years old. In

675
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: those days, you can put anybody on the on on shows.

676
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: So I put together the stupidest shows and the bolder.

677
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: It always worked. I wanted to show with who is

678
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: the hippie band from from from San Francisco one of

679
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: the first ones, and I put my dear friend Mimi

680
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: Farina in the open. She was opening for the Sons

681
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: of Champlin, Bill Champlin's first Yeah Nea was his R

682
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: and B hippie band. And I loved Mimi. She had

683
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: played John Pey as his kid sister. Well, I loved

684
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: love to death. I put her on there. It would work.

685
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: Nowhere else in the world except Balda, Colorado, and people

686
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: loved it. Anyway, you could put any acts you want.

687
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: In those days, you didn't have agents. Manager saying we're

688
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: putting one of the bands that we worked with on

689
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: the shows and anyway. So Barry said, I'll come up

690
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: and talk to you, and I had some ground and

691
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: man slips. He walked in my office and said, you're

692
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: the best club kid I've ever seen. Go find a club.

693
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: I'll put up all the money, will be partners, and

694
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: if it works out well, we'll start doing concerts together.

695
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: And that's all I wanted to hear. I left too

696
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: Loggy's about six four weeks later, started looking for clubs

697
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: and found an old mr room called Marvelous Marks. Who whoa, whoa, whoa?

698
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: What did the owner of the sinks say when you

699
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: said you were moving on? He was devastated, but we

700
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: had our differences. He was God bless Herbie. I love him.

701
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: He gave me such a break, but he still didn't

702
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: understand the culture of our business. He'd freaked out if

703
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: he walked in and a musician with smoking cotton addressing

704
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: room freak out right in front of me. I'll never

705
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: forget the biggest thing. I've game best friends with the

706
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: dirt band who moved to Colorado. I later managed them

707
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: and still my best friends for twenty five years. And

708
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: they were rehearsing at Too Loggy's before they started a

709
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: tour because I lived in Colorado, leaving Denver Boulder and Annassment,

710
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: and they rehearsed for four days during the day and

711
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: Herby came in. I was this is the first band

712
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: I became best friends with. And he came in and

713
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: we had pillows on the floor. People would sit on pillows,

714
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: hundreds of people and then seats around the outside. And

715
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: he started screaming at because the pillows were dirty and

716
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: show that night and I said to myself, I can't

717
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: do this anymore. And that's what I called faye. Okay,

718
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: So you start looking for a club, what do you find.

719
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I find a place called Marvelous Marvs that was an

720
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: M O R room that would have like pop AX,

721
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: m r X, Las Vegas AX, and they weren't doing well,

722
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: and I convinced they to write out the whole check.

723
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: We became fifty fifty partners. I named it Everittsfield, the

724
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: place that I lived for you own, you rented, or

725
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: you actually owned the building. We rented the building, we

726
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: rented the room. We remember how much Faye had to

727
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: put in to get started. It was. It was a

728
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: dumpy place, I would say, I mean those days, it

729
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of money. Probably that was a lot

730
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: of money. Okay. So how long does it take you

731
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: after you find it to actually open um? It was

732
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: only about six weeks of construction. It was really just

733
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: cleaning it up. We had bleachers. People sat in bleachers

734
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: that had carpeting on it, and it became a very

735
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: very It was as I said, it was Billboard Club

736
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: of the Year for two years. Yeah. I happen to

737
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: have a list of the four. I'm not gonna let

738
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: you read, okay, but just first question for you to

739
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: say some of the acts. What was capacity in Ebbitttsfield

740
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy Okay, So give me some of

741
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: the acts, okay. I'll just give you some of the

742
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: big ones. Tommy Bowling, George Benson, roy By Cannon, J. J. Kale,

743
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: Canned Heat, Cheech and Charm, I'm just Dr hook Ry Coutter,

744
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: Climax Blues Band, John fay Leo, Cocky Dan Foldelberg, Peter Frampton,

745
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: Richard Greene, David Grisman, Dick Gregory. It was a comical song. Um, John,

746
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: we got the idea. So what happened? You all your

747
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: open abbage Field? How long is that run? And when

748
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: do you get into concert? Four years? Four years and

749
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: fay Line was exploding. Barry started doing national tours, did

750
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: the Stones and about eight markets, did the Whon about

751
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: eight markets. He knew I was a great promoter, a

752
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: good promoter. I was a great promoter, Um, and said,

753
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: why don't you We're never gonna make any money in

754
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: this club. You've developed a lot of great relationships, so

755
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: why don't you sell the club and become my number

756
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: one guy at fay Line so and start doing bigger shows.

757
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: And so I sold the club four years after we

758
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: opened and became the senior vice president of fe Line

759
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: for ten years and booked many, many of the shows,

760
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: and we did shows all over the country. We did

761
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: William Whalen and the Outlaws across America. That's how I

762
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: became best friends with Willie and Mark Clothboun who still

763
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: as manager Um and did that. I had some differences

764
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: with Barry in terms of business practices and he had

765
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: some problems that are well known locally with gambling, and

766
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: I decided, Uh, I started managing the Dirt band and

767
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: Leo Kaki and I put together a band by myself

768
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: that became a band called Highway one on one, the

769
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: THEOS country group of the Year, and I managed Susie

770
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: Boggas and I'm and I found these young kids from

771
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: Columbine High School named big Hat Todd in the Monsters.

772
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: So my management company. While I was running Faye or

773
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: number two at Faye was doing well, I was a

774
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: little burnt out on I'm promoting, but more burnt out

775
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: of my relationship with Barry. I loved him, but we

776
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: had our differences and so I left and just managed bands.

777
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: Barry was bailed out he was going into bankruptcy for

778
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: personal reasons um by Michael Cole. Michael Cole flew me

779
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: up to Toronto. He had cp I then and said,

780
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: you're the only body that fake and it it will ever

781
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: listen to. I want to keep you on as a consultant.

782
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: You can manage all anybody you want, but stay on

783
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: part time. So I saw. I stayed on when col

784
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: bail Barry out and owned most of the line he

785
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: got tired of Barry and got bought out by a

786
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: guy named Jay Marciatto who was running House of Blues.

787
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: Jay did the same thing and said, you're the only

788
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: body failed ever listened to stay around as a consultant.

789
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: So I did. And then when Faye announced he was retiring,

790
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: I decided I'd go on my own as a promoter.

791
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: And that's what I called my dear friend Greg pearl

792
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: Off and said, why don't we start at Chuck Mars

793
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: program Presents in Denver? So what one? What year? We

794
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: late nineties it was, And I said, I got an

795
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: old building called Mammoth Events Center that is so made

796
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: to be a film Wore. You guys own the brand.

797
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: I want to build a filmore here and I'll never

798
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: forget Greg and Sherry said, you're crazy. Bill never wanted

799
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: to be like a House of Blues that have film.

800
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: War was all over the country. Guess who bo the

801
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: companies and now have film was all of the company.

802
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, they came into town. They saw this old

803
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven club that needed a lot of work, and

804
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: they said, Bill would call this a film Wore. And

805
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: that was our first move. We opened the film wore

806
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: in Denver and we really took over. While I was

807
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: doing that, Greg said I got something I gotta tell you.

808
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: I said, what's that? I said, I've been talking to

809
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: this guy, Bob Sillerman, who's probably gonna buy our company,

810
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: and he's buying a whole bunch of our promoting companies,

811
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: of other promoters. You just started a company in Colorado.

812
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: You will get a chunk to give up your part

813
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: in Colorado. I said, what the heck does that mean

814
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: for me? He said, Okay, here's the deal. You're gonna

815
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: get a nice check, nothing like we did when we

816
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: saw b GP, but a nice check for being a

817
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: business for four months. You will get more money to

818
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: invest in other things, and we're all stay. I said, well,

819
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: that is not a hard decision to be made, so

820
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: I stayed. We sold my part, everybody sold it to Bob,

821
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: and of course he sold it the Clear Channel. I

822
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: kept running it. Hired Don and Brent Is my first

823
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: moves years ago. I hired Don, who was running the Fox.

824
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: I hired him one day a week because I saw

825
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: him as being me twenty five years later. I said,

826
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: this kid's a genius, So I hired him one day,

827
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: one day a week, help helping our new company which

828
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: became s X, which became whatever first p g P

829
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: Chuck Mars and hired another guy from fay Line who

830
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: couldn't handle the old fay Line and quit, named Brent

831
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: for Drees hired him. Both hired Gone one day a week.

832
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: That I said, work two days a week. You're booking

833
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: great fade shows. You know that new stuff more than

834
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: I do. And then he went to three days. And

835
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: then I took him out and said, Don, eight years

836
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: was the first eight year of my career. I ran clubs.

837
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: It almost killed me. Enoughs enough, you can still all

838
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: in the club, Come work and do bigger shows. You'll

839
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: have a bigger career. And I convinced someone, and then

840
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: he worked full time. When I started a G, I

841
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: met him and Brent partners equal partners with me, and

842
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: they've been with me forever since then. So ultimately you

843
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: sell to Live Nation, but then you and Don and

844
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: Brent leave Live Nation, as does pearl Off. What happens there, well,

845
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: Um Grant sold it to Live too, actually as effects

846
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: was sold at the Clear Channel was spun off the

847
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: Live Nation. Greg left the same time as I did

848
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: he was getting tired of it and started another planet

849
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: same time, and I was getting tired of the politics

850
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: of a publicly traded company, and I got approached by

851
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: my dear friend Phil and Show. So I've known for

852
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: ever as a friend doing charity work with him. I

853
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: just loved the guy. Went to Russia with him with

854
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: the dirt Band because he had that's a quick story.

855
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: He's got the largest Western our collection in the world,

856
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: called the Anxious Collection. Grew up in Russell, Kansas, spent

857
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: the rest of his life in Colorado, made a lot

858
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: of money, built the greatest Western our collection was Sometimes

859
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: he tours around the world nonprofit. He called me one

860
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: day he loved the dirt band and went to a

861
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: bunch of shows. By the way, in fourteen years he's

862
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: been to five of our shows, five of US shows

863
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: in a g and has been to our age office

864
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: once in fourteen years. He's the greatest. Did you do well?

865
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: And he and he loves you. He lets you do

866
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: your do what you want. He's the greatest. But anyway,

867
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: he loved the dirt band and went to dirt band shows,

868
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: and one day in nineteen right before the Russian Revolution

869
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: in year was it. What was callsby? Says, I gotta,

870
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. Come over to the office.

871
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: We were already great a g wasn't even open yet.

872
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: He said he know about my Western art. Question me

873
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: and she's collection. I said, yeah, Phil, don't you remember you?

874
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: He gave me a tour of it while I was

875
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: sitting here in Denver. He said, oh yeah, I forgot.

876
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: He said, we're opening up the truck. You have a

877
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: museum in Moscow for six months. I've never done this before.

878
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: I want to fly my favorite American country band to

879
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: do thirty minutes acoustic in Moscow to open the exhibit.

880
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: We'll have pressed there Soviet Union officials was right before

881
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: the Russian Revolution, and you know other people. I'll get

882
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: what do they make? And I said, I'll give him

883
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: a fee. I'm there for nine nights doing other business,

884
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: oil business. You know, he has a million companies. And

885
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: I'll put you and the girlfriends and wives and crew

886
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: and band every the other eight nights, take everybody out

887
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: for dinner and have I have a lot of fun.

888
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing business every day, other business. So we played

889
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: thirty minutes to open the exhibit, and only Phil as

890
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: I called him back in a day and said, Phil,

891
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it. Don't worry, but the band would

892
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: love to play in front of some younger kids. This

893
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: is the art community. It was Soviet Union officials, it

894
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: was He actually invited the whole U. S. Embassy and

895
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: their families and art people. He said, Chuck, the whole

896
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: country's falling apart. Right, it was fifteen months before the

897
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Soviet Union fell, so you can imagine what Musket was like.

898
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful art museum. Were his exhibit safe

899
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: for six months? He said? Two days later he calls

900
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: me back to say, Okay, the first night you're gonna

901
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: do open my exhibit. The second night I arranged a

902
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: private show at a five thousand, most gorgeous opera house

903
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. We're inviting Soviet Union officials, their families,

904
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: the U. S. Embassy and their families, and we're given

905
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: away twicts to Russian students. And the third night I

906
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: arranged How Phil evert did this today, I've never asked him,

907
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: but he did it in three days, he said. And

908
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: this is Phil talking to me, right. We were already

909
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: good friends. A g wasn't even open yet, he said,

910
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: don't be mad at me, Chuck. But I said yes

911
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: without asking you, And I'm not sure if you're in

912
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: the band, think I want to do it. But I

913
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: do a lot of business in the Soviet Union, and

914
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: I find that if the Soviet, if Soviets, make you

915
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: an offer, you have to say yes or no. If

916
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I would have said I got to talk to a

917
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: band or prove it, it goes away. So I said yes,

918
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: don't be mad at me. And I said, well, we're

919
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna have the greatest time in our lives. We don't care.

920
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: We'll do anything. He said, Okay, I arranged a free

921
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: concert in Gorky Park. He played a talking about fifteen

922
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: thousand people. How filled the state did that? I told

923
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: I don't even know. It's don't even asked. We get

924
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: around about it. But and that's how I became best

925
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: friends with the film. Okay, so, how do you ultimately

926
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: decide you want to start this music business program at

927
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: Colorado State? For my whole life, he I was a

928
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: t a of twenty years old to see you. I'm

929
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: the son of a school teacher. I always loved teaching.

930
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: I've taught it about twenty different colleges on one office,

931
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: just talking about music business. And I never had one

932
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: plan in my forty eight year of music career. The

933
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: one plan I had was I wanted to start a

934
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: music business department at a Colorado university. One plan only plan,

935
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: and I negotiated with not about money, but what school

936
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: would would follow up program I wanted to build. And

937
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: I made a deal with CSU where there it's not

938
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: a small town anymore, fail Collins. There's starting two thousand

939
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: kids to go to that school and it's a big

940
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: city now. And um, we're starting in three weeks introduction

941
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: of music business and in three years it will be

942
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: a minor and in five years it will be a major.

943
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: Hired my first teacher under me, and I'm gonna have

944
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: a whole department that I'm building, which has been the

945
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: dream of my life to do that. And I'm gonna

946
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: have guests every week of all my friends in the business.

947
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: And I'm inviting you by Skype to be a guest

948
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: to okay, and who your first couple of guests You've

949
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: already booked the first week because it's the first week.

950
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: I invited a guy named Ja Marciano who graduated from

951
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: c s U. Who's from Colorado, pattay j. He's the

952
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: head of our whole company, and he's perfect, and I

953
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: and write a big head title. I managed from here locally,

954
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: still a big star here, and so they're gonna talk

955
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: on the first week. But I have a stream of

956
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: people that are getting ready to say yes, executives, musicians also. Okay,

957
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: are you the only teacher at this point, I'm not

958
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: teaching at all. I'm gonna chairman of the department. I'll

959
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: guess lecture. I'll be there when the when the special

960
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: guests come once a week, but I'm not teaching day

961
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: to day. I'm not doing exams. I hired my first

962
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: teacher who had experience. Who how did you find a teacher?

963
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: And who is he or she? Bart Bart Dol worked

964
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: at Madison House for String Cheese, worked for Christa. Sally

965
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: in his company, and then toured at Metro State for

966
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: five years. Music business. I wanted somebody both sides of it. Okay,

967
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: what's gonna make your music business program different from all

968
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: the other music business programs that have sprouted in the

969
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: last few decades. Yeah, there's about forty of them, of

970
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: which about ten are real good. And I studied them all.

971
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: I've flown to a lot of them. First of all,

972
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the best as you have seen in

973
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: your life because I have a lot of friends. Secondly,

974
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: I have a PhD in music business. It's just not

975
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: on the wall, and I'm gonna, I'm I believe, I'm gonna.

976
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build a great, great department. And the first

977
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: the first class sold out in five minutes. Okay, we

978
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: know all you were around when the business was still

979
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: being built. Certainly in this sense this century, it's about consolidation.

980
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: But we know all these characters. We can list them

981
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: one after one another, and you've mentioned a lot of

982
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: them here. They were unique characters who probably would have

983
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: been successful in some other field if they weren't in

984
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 1: music business. Can you can you teach that to learn

985
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: how to make it in the music business. Yes, I

986
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: mean it's one thing to teach someone how to be

987
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: a road manager or to be a tour accountant. But

988
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: the managers and the promoters, the people who built this business,

989
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: they broke the mold after they made them. Well, you're

990
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I never took a music business There weren't

991
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: any music business classes in those days. I do think

992
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: if you love the business, and we'll do anything to

993
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: get into it, you can learn some things that will

994
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: make you a little bit more successful, a little quicker.

995
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: And that's all I can expect to do. I'm not

996
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: going to train somebody that doesn't have it in their

997
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: bones to want to do it, but I think I

998
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: can make it a little bit easier for them. Okay,

999
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: so what do you learn being a manager? We worked

1000
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: for the bands. You could tell them all you want,

1001
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: you can fight them, you could tell them, but but

1002
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: the bottom line is the band's And it took me

1003
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: a while to learn that that. You can do so much.

1004
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: You can go to a certain point, but if the

1005
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: band won't do it, you got to live with that,

1006
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: or else you get fired. I'm as as simple as that.

1007
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: How do you make the band more successful than they

1008
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: are when you first get involved? Well, I build a

1009
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: band by audition called that became a band called Highway

1010
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: win On One that was a country group of the year.

1011
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: I auditioned people in Denver and that was like my creation.

1012
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: As far as big at Todd, they were already selling

1013
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: out um thousand ceders in Minneapolis and Chicago and San

1014
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: Francisco and Boulder in Denver and doing three five hundred

1015
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: in another markets, all managing themselves for about three years,

1016
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: went to Columbine High School. All were born in Colorado. UM.

1017
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: I actually chased them for about a year and a

1018
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: half to manage them because they wanted to manage themselves.

1019
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: But I convinced them that if they really wanted to

1020
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: get bigger, um, they really probably had to go to

1021
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: a label, a big label. They made their own records,

1022
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: their own label, and they did pretty well. They sold

1023
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: tenths of twenty thousand two in the Bennett Records, which

1024
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: was a lot. And and I made a deal with

1025
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: my great friend Irving at Giant Records, and we did

1026
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: an album called Sister Sweet Lee, got a great producer

1027
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: and sold a million and a half records. And they

1028
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: went from here to here. Yeah, broke, broken hearted stranger?

1029
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: How long broken a savior? Savior? Excuse me? How much

1030
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: longer did you continue to work with Bighead Todd after that?

1031
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: Initially about fifteen years? Thirteen years? Okay, okay? How did

1032
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: you get involved with the Dirt Band? Uh? They were

1033
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: the third act that played for me. They moved to Colorado,

1034
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: they became my closest friends. You know, we're all at

1035
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: each other's weddings and um they're only other manager before

1036
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: me was a guy named Bill McEwen. Bill mckewen, That

1037
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: was John McEwen from the Dirt Band's brother. John McEwen

1038
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: had signed a young comedian named Steve Martin. Steve Martin

1039
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: was the opening act for the Dirt Band for almost

1040
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: three years on the bus. No one ever heard of him.

1041
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: He was brilliant. In fact, when they played for me

1042
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: the first time they got off the bus at a

1043
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: lot of Eason said we got this comic Pam fifty bucks.

1044
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: He's on the All tour. I said great, and he

1045
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: was hysterical. Bill Uh. Steve was starting to explode. Bill

1046
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: was getting ready to do a movie called The Jerk.

1047
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: Steve was becoming a superstar. He was living in Aspen

1048
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: as he started a film company. He also signed another

1049
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: He was brilliant with comics. Bill was signed a young

1050
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: comic named pee Wee Herman and produced pee Wee's Big

1051
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: Adventure And called me one day and said would you

1052
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: come out? And they all lived in Aspen. His company

1053
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: film company was Aspen Films, and still managing the Dirt band,

1054
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: his brother's band or one of the members, and said,

1055
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. And I went up

1056
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: there and he said, I'm just too busy with Steve Martin.

1057
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: He's exploding, and I have this other comic pee Wee

1058
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: Pee Wee Herman. I think he's gonna be maybe as big,

1059
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm finishing up scores for two movies and

1060
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: I just learned have enough time for my brother's band.

1061
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: Would you take over? And I love the guys. I

1062
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: had to think about it because I had never managed before,

1063
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: and I said, Bill, I never management before. I'm a promoter,

1064
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm a club. Are you crazy? He said, Chuck, the

1065
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: band loves you. You know more about that music than

1066
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: I do. And it's just the other side of the

1067
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: coin on another thing when he said that, and he

1068
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: was right, and I took over. They were sort of

1069
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: on the way down. They had hits in the seventies,

1070
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: but it was the early eighties and it was Donna summertime.

1071
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: They weren't playing bands with banjos and violins anymore. They

1072
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: had boat Angles and make a Little Magic an American

1073
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: Dream in the seventies, but they stopped getting radio and

1074
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: they really were really underdown, and I said, let's go

1075
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: make a country deal because country radio should play you

1076
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: and that. And I said, I only managed you if

1077
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: you'd let me do that. I made a deal with

1078
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: one Is Nashville didn't change their music, just made some

1079
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: great records with Paul Warley and had ten top ten

1080
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: country records. I convinced to do Circle the Unbroken Volume

1081
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: two that became album of the Year and had a

1082
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: huge comeback with them for fifteen years, twenty years and

1083
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: then and you know, managers either get fired or get

1084
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: bored or get tired and they leave. This is a

1085
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: certain amount of years, you know. I My joke was

1086
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: I once signed a band and they were too young

1087
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: to know what I was talking about. But I took

1088
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: them out to congratulate them and they signed with me

1089
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: as their manager. And I said, this is a party

1090
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: for two things. They said, what's that? I said, resigning

1091
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: and for breaking up, because we are going to break up.

1092
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of time. Okay. So, since you've

1093
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: played both sides of the fence, what can you tell

1094
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: people as a promoter and a manager, what can you

1095
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: tell people who have only played on one side? Well?

1096
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: I always tell my bands that I manage that unless

1097
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: their live dates come first before management stuff, you should

1098
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: get fired. You have to fight for the bands for

1099
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: how much they make, for where they play, for who

1100
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: they play for. And if you don't do that, you're

1101
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: not being a good manager. You're not you should get fired.

1102
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: So I've always had two hats, sometimes on certain acts,

1103
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: not lot of them, but I've always you gotta be

1104
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: a promoter. When you're a promoter first for the band,

1105
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: and you gotta be a manager, and your manager first.

1106
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: You don't do that. Okay. We mentioned a number of

1107
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: times at the beginning of your career when bamston't sell

1108
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: out being a good promoter. What is the essence of

1109
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: being a good promoter? Okay? How do you sell tickets

1110
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: for an act? It doesn't sell out instantly? Okay? Let

1111
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: me tell you what I did. How it was different

1112
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: in two there is now I would I would. I

1113
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: heard about this great guitar player named Leo Cocky who

1114
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: had never played bold or Denver. I had a band

1115
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: I was playing for me and they said that he

1116
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: had opened for them. Uh, they had opened for him

1117
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: in Omaha, Nebraska, and he was brilliant. I went through

1118
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: the record store, bought his record, flipped out this is one.

1119
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: It's like his third album, maybe second. Took it down

1120
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: to the radio station, which was kr on W, which

1121
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: became KBCO which have been the number one rock station

1122
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: in this town forever, played it for him. They loved it,

1123
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: and they started playing the crap out of it. There

1124
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: was no playlists then, there was no testing records. Then

1125
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: if they liked the band or right, maybe partied a

1126
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: little with the DJs, they got to play it and

1127
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: I would sell out for the first time. Say a

1128
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: funny story, first time I had J. J. Klee who

1129
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: I loved him. John Kale was the greatest, by the way.

1130
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: His real name was John, but he couldn't be called

1131
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: John Kale because John there was another John Kale, and

1132
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: because of the union, you can't have the same name

1133
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: from Delvet Underground, so he's his Denny Cordell from Shelter

1134
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: Records changed his name to j J. Nicest, Sweetest hill

1135
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: Billy from Tulsa. All he did is want to fish

1136
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: and write songs. Really didn't like playing. He played once

1137
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: a year to pay his income Texas because he wrote

1138
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: a lot of hits for Eric Clapton. After midnight, all

1139
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: these different songs. He came, He came into town, walked

1140
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: in the door for a sound check. I was standing

1141
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: outside and said, I am Chuck Morrison. I owned the

1142
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: pilates and there's a line around the block. And he

1143
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: looked at me very seriously and said, who am I

1144
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: opening for? I mean, Cale never thought about money or

1145
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: who he's playing with or anything. It was just a

1146
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: brilliant songwriter. And just you say, Cal that that's how

1147
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: we sold tickets. We got him on the radio. Needless

1148
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: to say, that same paradigm doesn't exist today. Radio stations

1149
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: have tight playlists. Uh. Younger generation listens to terrestrial radio less.

1150
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: How do you promote a band today? Get pressed for him? Uh?

1151
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: Word of mouth? Um, get the record stores to tell

1152
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: them that if they move the record up to a

1153
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: better position, it's selling like crazy in color, out of springs.

1154
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: They want to think about it, little things. There's still

1155
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: ways now I might get used to be though it's

1156
01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: much it's those tricks are not that effect anymore. It's

1157
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: a different business business. Are there any new tricks that

1158
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: are effective? Uh? Well, the same trick as always bring

1159
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: a band in as an opening act. Who's great? And

1160
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: let them develop their own fans right here as an

1161
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: opening act, put him on a big show. How many

1162
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: times you've been married, chuck? Uh three? But my wife

1163
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: now is thirty years. How old were you when we

1164
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: were married the first time? Jesus asking personal questions here? Yeah,

1165
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: we get down gritty, pardon the pun. It was my

1166
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: high school and college girlfriend. Okay, because you you were

1167
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: so far ahead of the game. You were young, so

1168
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: that might have made it difficult on a relationship level.

1169
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: It was a very bad marriage, and the last that

1170
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: it was very short. I was still a graduate student.

1171
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: She came out to Colorado had graduated also in a

1172
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: young age, and was a school teacher. And we broke

1173
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: up after a year. And then what was second wife? Yes,

1174
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: at last or ten years? I have two beautiful children

1175
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: and my third wife, who was great. We have three

1176
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: three kids, so it's unusual. I guess the question I'm

1177
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: asking this is a business that's seven. Has it affected

1178
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: your relationships? Um? You know, I have a wife that

1179
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: loves what I do, believe it or not, and loves

1180
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: me watching me work, and loves music. I had another

1181
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: wife that didn't like it, and I spent too much

1182
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,479
Speaker 1: time you gotta find the right girl for that, gotta

1183
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: get lucky and will your wife come to your gigs?

1184
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, So tell us about the development

1185
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: of Red Rocks into the monolith it ultimately be has become. Well,

1186
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 1: you know it started um. In fact, here's a little

1187
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: trivia question. The Beatles played Red Rocks and there were

1188
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: very few rock shows in the sixties and Red Rocks,

1189
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: in fact, very few. It was the only Beatles show

1190
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: ever in America that didn't sell out. We did sixties

1191
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: six I can promote it was before I was in

1192
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: the business. Uh, you know, did people because people weren't

1193
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: used to going there. They had church services there, they

1194
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: had lectures there, they had different stuff, but very little music.

1195
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: In fact, when Faye and I started to started doing

1196
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: a lot of shows at Red Rocks, the city try

1197
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: to stop having music and we had to go to

1198
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: court to convince them that we ought to do more shows.

1199
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: And the funny part is they stopped us from doing

1200
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: a band called America, which is as soft as it

1201
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: could be. And we went we had I asked some

1202
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: of my friends testify that it was a great thing

1203
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: for the community and that America for God's sakes, you

1204
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: don't riot to America, I mean, but we won and

1205
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: now our company does over shows a year at Red

1206
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: Rocks up till the latest tragedy where we're doing none. Okay,

1207
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: So Red Rocks is an open building. How do you

1208
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: compete with other promoters? In Red Rocks? You get the bands,

1209
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: relationship with bands or the agent or the manager. Um,

1210
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: we we do majority shows. My whole company Live Nation

1211
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: when I ran that, we did the majority. But I

1212
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: took my key guys Do and Brenton mostly company with

1213
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: us and we do a lot more than they do.

1214
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: It's still relationships. You say they are, but it's still relationships.

1215
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: You may not have the long relationships like from beginning

1216
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: to end their careers, but it's still relationships. Okay. And

1217
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: a couple of memorable shows at Red Rocks. What can

1218
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: you tell us? Well, I did with Faye the YouTube

1219
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: the famous You two show that was a video. And

1220
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: the great story was it was snowing that day and

1221
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: Barry and I had booked the US Festival the weekend before.

1222
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: We did the second year of the US Festival for

1223
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: Steve Wozniak. We were flying back from Santa Barbara from

1224
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: the show and we're flying and you two was that

1225
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: night flying over Red Rocks, landing in Denver and it

1226
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: was snowing, and Faye was freaking out, and you know

1227
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: the man put up Paul McGinnis, who I loved to death,

1228
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: their manager for years and retired a while ago. He

1229
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: put a second on his house to put up money.

1230
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: I put up money he borrowed from Faye for myself,

1231
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: from friends to put up money to make that video

1232
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: which broke the band, of course, no question. So we

1233
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: got off the foot the plane and Barry's freaking out,

1234
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: saying we gotta move it inside. In those days, you

1235
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: can move the equipment wasn't like it is today. You

1236
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: can move a show. If it was by noon, you

1237
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: could move it indoors to the old Denver Colosseum. And

1238
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: he was afraid we wouldn't have a show. And I said, Barry,

1239
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: there's no way they put up their life savings for this.

1240
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna get him on the phone. He

1241
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: went to a pay phone at d I A actually

1242
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: was staple with him then, and called Paul McGinnis that

1243
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: stage who was setting up, and said, you gotta move

1244
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: the show. It's snowing. We're not gonna have it, will

1245
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: never make it. And McGinnis said, we put our heart

1246
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: and soul to this. We don't care, and let me

1247
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: get Bottle on the phone. Who we had? We had

1248
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: did his first state in Denver at the Rainbow Music Hall.

1249
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 1: I became really good friends with the band. In fact,

1250
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: I took him out for dinner on a vacation and

1251
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: dub them one year and Bio said, Barry, we put

1252
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: our life savings into this. I don't care if it

1253
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: snows all over us, We're gonna play. And it turned

1254
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: out that cold weather and that air coming out of

1255
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 1: his mouth, and and and and the freezing made that

1256
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: video exactly when he's marched around with the flag. Okay,

1257
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: since you're a fountain of tales, any other tales you

1258
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: want to put in here before we wrap up? Oh God,

1259
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: there were so many great shows. It's really hard to

1260
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: say one from the other. But I would say the

1261
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: first show we did with Willie and Whalen when we

1262
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: took over their tour because their previous promoter had gone

1263
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: out of business. And we started doing Willy William and

1264
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: the Outlaws for a couple of years all over the country,

1265
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: and it was the first time I had done Willie

1266
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: at my club and got to know WILLI he had

1267
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: moved to Colorado actually for a while. But the first

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Speaker 1: Red Rocks, and that was magical. He's still magical. He's

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Speaker 1: an amazing guy. Now what we know? There's been a

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Speaker 1: music business forever, but the confluence of the Boomers and

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Speaker 1: the Beatles blew it up. Okay, both the record business,

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Speaker 1: which referenced earlier, and certainly the live business. What do

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Speaker 1: we know? The boom racks, the classic rock acts are

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Speaker 1: dying or will literally be off the stage within ten years.

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Speaker 1: Does it matter that they're gone? Or is the business

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Speaker 1: so big that as long as you're somebody to put

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Speaker 1: on stage it will all be healthy. Well, I want

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Speaker 1: to disagree on one thing. I remember it was a

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Speaker 1: famous old quote from Mick Jagger saying he wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: singing when he was thirty. He's now what on this tour?

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Speaker 1: Where that weird AG's doing? I think? Okay, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not so sure that five or ten years some of

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Speaker 1: them might still be playing. But you're right, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: die away or retire. I don't know. About retiring, but hey, Williams,

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Speaker 1: in his late ages, he still play. I mean, okay,

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Speaker 1: but when when those acts expire, whether it be five

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Speaker 1: years or twenty, okay, when they can no longer play

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Speaker 1: live or no longer here, will that affect the live business?

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Speaker 1: I think not that much. I think the live business

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Speaker 1: has become such a part of our of our life,

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Speaker 1: of our economy, of our soul in America that I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, the young bands from the eighties and nineties

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Speaker 1: are gonna be around, and they've been some pretty good ones,

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Speaker 1: you know, the YouTube era. They're so relatively young, so

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Speaker 1: I I think it will hurt a little bit, But um,

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Speaker 1: I think music is going to stay around for a

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Speaker 1: long time, especially in Colorado where it is such a

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Speaker 1: part of our psychic Well, this has been wonderful, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your history, your stories, and your insight, and

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Speaker 1: I wish you luck and continued success with your Colorado

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Speaker 1: State University venture in the music business. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for doing this. Yeah, well, thank you, and uh Donn

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Speaker 1: and Brent are gonna make it even bigger as they

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Speaker 1: take over. Right now, I'm totally convinced that those boys

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Speaker 1: are the greatest. Until next time. This is Bob left

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Speaker 1: six h