1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Don't call it a comeback ridiculous historians, or wait, please 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: do because this is our weekly classics episode. How much 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: would you pay for an egg? 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Oh, can't be, can't cost more than what? One hundred dollars? 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Well, it's an egg, Michael, what could it be? Ten bucks? Man? 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: Eggie Weggs. Remember that you've seen Pluck clockwork Orange. I 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: always loved it when he talks about Eggie Wegs. It's 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: so cute sounding. And there they are cute little fellas, 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: aren't they little? You know, very egg like? What would 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: you call that spherracle? Not really, it's really egg shaped. 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: People's people refer stuff as being egg shaped ovial avu ovular, 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: which does in and of itself that the etymology of 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: that is egg over ova ovo. 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we're asking in this classic episode, how 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: much would you pay for an egg? Also, Max, give 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: me some traumatic music. 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: Dramatic music. 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: What's you're cute way? 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: Some guys said, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: given the option of no eggs, Yeah, you know, I 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: had a hard boil I've I've been finally grown up man. 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: I like hard boiled eggs. Now I think I might 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: try deviling them one of these days. I have always 24 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: been anti deviled eggs because of them, both the egg 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: and the Mayo content, both of which I have grown 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: to like. I kind of like Mayo now, so maybe 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: it's hey, listen, let's not ruin this. I've come so far. 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: Don't ruin eggy eggs for me. 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: San Francisco's egg Wark. 30 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: It's a thing, Dude, Eggers like, not not David Eggers, 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: you know, the writer or the filmmaker. There's two Eggers. 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: I always get them confused. But yeah, it was a 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: thing people risking life and limb to, you know, basically 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: spulunk hillside, you know, on the side of these serious 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: cliffs to do something a little sketch, if we're being honest, 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: which is to steal eggs out of the nests of 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: sea birds. I think in a lot of these situations, right, 38 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: I think you are correct. Let's get into it. 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. This is Ridiculous History, 40 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: a show based in Atlanta, a city that loves brunch. 41 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I promise I'm going somewhere with this. Hi, my name 42 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: is Ben. 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: My name is Noel, and Ben egg me up before 44 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: you go go. 45 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: There, we go there we go, Lego my egg go. 46 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: Give me back my eggs. 47 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well after the show, you'll. 48 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: Pry these eggs from my cold dead hands. 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: Eggs. Right, when you think of brunch or when you 50 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: think of breakfast, you typically think of a few things, 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: and one of the main stars of the breakfast pantheon 52 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: is going to be the humble, ubiquitous egg. Are you 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: an egg. 54 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: Fan, Benedict Florentine omelet scrambled, a poached egg fan of 55 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: recent times and not like a good old boiled egg myself, 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: So yes, yes, I am an enthusiast. 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: You're an enthusiast nol. Earlier before we hopped on air 58 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: for this episode, we were talking about the type of 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: food preparation known as deviling, right, you were, and we 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: had to look it up because it's strange when you 61 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: think of deviled eggs or deviled ham, and there's a 62 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: curious story for that, but that is not the subject 63 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: of today's episode. Today's episode hinges upon the importance of 64 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: eggs and you being an enthusiast right bit of an egghead. 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: You've been in situations where you have to wait in 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: line for brunch or something, but you're not the type 67 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: of guy to fight over an egg, are you. 68 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: I also very rarely will wait in line for anything. 69 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: If the line's too long, I'm moving on in the line. 70 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: And that's that's the words I live by. But no, 71 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you notice how whenever there's a 72 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: storm here, especially like a snowstorm, what's the first thing 73 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: to go in the grocery stores? 74 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: They run through the dairy and the bakery. 75 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: In the middle, and the bread, the eggs, and the milk, 76 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: food staples, and back in San Francisco, California, during the 77 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: gold Rush time in the early eighteen fifties, a really 78 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: really really important staple food, a very very crucial source 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: of protein during a time where that was very scarce 80 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: because the gold Rush brought out thousands and thousands of 81 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: prospectors to San Francisco, which at the time was a 82 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: relatively small city that just did not have the infrastructure 83 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: or the resources to support those people. 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: Right because the niners as they were often called, these 85 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: gold rush prospectors were coming from across the country to 86 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: gamble on the chance of striking it big by discovering 87 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: a vein of gold. And as we know now, it's 88 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: true that some people did find gold. Most did not. 89 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: We should be very clear about that. But as NOL 90 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: has begun to paint the picture for us here, what 91 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: they all found was a very difficult environment to live in. 92 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of people asking for 93 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: the same resources, and as we've seen in other historical instances, 94 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: this triggers inflation. This trigger's price gouging. The otherwise humble 95 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: food stuff known as the egg, available throughout the country 96 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: everywhere else, became a relatively rare and high priced commodity. 97 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: It's true, like you say, you know, everyone wasn't going 98 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: to strike it rich. In fact, most didn't. In an 99 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: article from the San Francisco Gate by Gary Kimia, he 100 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: describes as phenomenon as that there was more money to 101 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: be made from quote mining the miners than from actual prospecting. So, 102 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: you know, to fill that demand, little food huts, kind 103 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: of fly by none operations came up overnight, and all 104 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: kinds of different businesses sprung up in order to capitalize 105 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: on this boom. And one thing they needed were cooking ingredients. 106 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: Right, and there's an excellent article by Emmily and Rude 107 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: writing over at time called the worst that can happen 108 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: when egg prices get too high. In this article, she 109 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: discusses some of the specifics and nuts and bolts of 110 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: this skyrocketing food situation. One of the primary commodities that 111 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: shot up in value was the egg, and it rose 112 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: to the price of a dollar per egg in the 113 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: eighteen fifties, which is crazy expensive now, but let's consider 114 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: that in our time, that's roughly the equivalent of thirty 115 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: dollars per an egg. 116 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: Man, I don't think I could ever want an egg 117 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: that much. 118 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: No, I don't, you know. I don't know what I 119 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: would do with it. I would feel bad eating it. 120 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: I would feel like I have to put it in 121 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: a like a box or a terrarium. But I ans. 122 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: We have to remember here too, this was not the 123 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: price was not that way because it was necessarily a delicacy. 124 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: There just weren't enough to go around, so it was 125 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: a scarcity. 126 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: Issue mm hmm. And there was still a good shipping 127 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: infrastructure in place at the time, so eggs were being 128 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: shipped in by the millions from across the Pacific, even 129 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: all the way from the East coast, and it still 130 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: was not enough to satiate the teeming mass of people there, 131 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: and that's why San Francisco eventually turned its eyes west 132 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: to the islands of the Pacific, to a very specific island. 133 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: That's right. There is an island, or a system of islands, 134 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: just about thirty miles outside of the Golden Gate in 135 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: San Francisco called the Farolons, and they are actually the 136 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: site of the largest colony of sea birds anywhere in 137 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: the contiguous United States. And those birds are the common mures. 138 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: Yes, the common mrs are the star of today's show. 139 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: The The islands themselves are home to a little less 140 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: than four hundred different species of birds, and the birds 141 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: at this time were doing quite well because during the 142 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: maritime fur trade, Russian sealers seal hunters got rid of 143 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: the vast majority of the mammals that would be there. Right, 144 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: that's right. 145 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: But still to this day these islands are home to 146 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: tons of different marine creatures, sea lions, elephant seal which 147 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: can grow to be the size of like a van, 148 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 2: and swimming around the edges you got great white sharks, yes, 149 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: and whales, which I think would be so cool to 150 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: see in person. There's actually an article in the New 151 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: York Times where Bonnie Sui takes a whale watching expedition 152 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: out to these islands and spots all kinds of fantastic wildlife. 153 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: The islands were called the Devil's Teeth back in the 154 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 2: early eighteen fifties by sailors, and that's because they were 155 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: particularly treacherous and they caused quite a few shipwrecks. And 156 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: it's true these are very intense, jagged looking cliffs. I 157 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: think the highest point is almost three hundred feet And 158 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: they were actually formed between eighty to one hundred million 159 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: years ago when the Pacific plate collided with the North 160 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: American plate. And they weren't always islands, they eventually drifted 161 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: and became islands because of plate tectonic activity. In fact, 162 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: they were largely responsible for blocking the view of the 163 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: San Francisco Harbor to Spanish galleons that would sail through 164 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: there for over two hundred years. 165 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now, thankfully, we'll give you a spoiler alert here, 166 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors. Now, thankfully the marine mammals have made 167 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: a return to the island. But in the mad eighteen 168 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: hundreds this population was in serious trouble, which was good 169 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: in the short term for the birds. It was literally 170 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: for the birds of the time I was waiting on 171 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: that one. And so Noel's let's go back to what 172 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned. Specifically, we're looking at a bird called the 173 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: common mure m rr. It's an auc a uk. This 174 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: large auc sits upright on sea cliffs, and people will 175 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: describe it as the northern version of a penguin. And 176 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: we've got some pretty we've got some pretty cool info 177 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: on it, courtesy of the good folks over at Audubon 178 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: dot org, nol and I and our super producer, Casey Pegrin. 179 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: I can't believe we forgot to shut them out at 180 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: the beginning. No, it's cool. We saved it. We saved it. 181 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: We say it's a cold open. So these these birds, 182 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: according to this stuff we were watching before we went 183 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: into the studio today, they look kind of awkward on land. 184 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: Not a pun, but it could be. 185 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's sort of like these unwieldy penguin like creatures 186 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: and they do fly pretty poorly. They're much better at 187 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: swimming and diving to catch fish. And they nest on 188 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: these really really steep and slippery cliffs on the side 189 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: of these islands, and it's really a thing to behold. 190 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: Ben there are thousands and thousands of them nesting in 191 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: really close quarters on these super treacherous cliffs. Not very 192 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: comfortable situation at. 193 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: All, right, right, and not particularly inviting to us humans 194 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: unless we are driven there out of desperation. In these nests, 195 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: most importantly, they have eggs. They typically have one egg, 196 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: and the incubation period is about twenty eight to thirty 197 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: seven days. After that, the young when they're born, they 198 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: leave the nest between fifteen and twenty five days later. 199 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: The eggs themselves, however, are very interesting and they do 200 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: not look in any way related to the chicken eggs 201 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: that were so common and so familiar to the San 202 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: Franciscans of the time. 203 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, they're about twice as big, and 204 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: they are oddly pointed on one end. 205 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: Yes, they are puriform, which is the word we learn 206 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: for today's episode. 207 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't know that one ben, it's. 208 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: What it sounds like. On the ten. It's that slightly rounded, 209 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: pure midlight top. They look like cone heads. Yeah, the cones. 210 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: That's what they look like. But they're also quite beautiful. 211 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: They are speckle, they can be light blue, and apparently 212 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: some ornithologists believe that each one had a unique speckled 213 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 2: pattern that allowed them to be identified by the parent. 214 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: Because they're nesting in such close quarters, if they didn't 215 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 2: have some distinguishing factor, it might be hard for them 216 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: to know which egg belonged to them. 217 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks kind of like a Jackson Pollock painting, 218 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: and I think a new one on every egg. And 219 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: I think you and I were both surprised when we 220 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: learned that there had been intense research into the reasoning 221 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: behind this egg shape and design. So originally people believe 222 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: the shape of the egg was an adaptation to prevent 223 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: it from rolling off the cliff. 224 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: That's right, and that sort of evolved over time. It 225 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: was debunked in the mid nineteen hundreds when naturalists believe 226 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: that the egg's shape would allow it to roll in 227 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 2: the perfect arc that would keep it from tumbling off 228 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: of the cliffs, like you said. But then a British 229 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: ornithologist named Tim Burkehead published a study Leaven twenty seventeen 230 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: that sort of debunked that one. He says, it's a 231 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: combination of cleanliness and protection. Because the common mirrors are 232 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: such horrible, horrible, ghastly flyers. They can careen into other nests, 233 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: and his theory is that the shape allows it to 234 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: make better contact with the ground, therefore offering more protection 235 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: against potential collisions. 236 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, increasing surface area. And we should mention that this ornithologist, 237 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: Tim Burkhead, has studied mirrors for forty four years. 238 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: He knows his mirrors. 239 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: He's the Mrror guy. I always have so much respect 240 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: for someone who has a specific area of expertise, and 241 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: he's almost fifty years into the burg game man. He 242 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: also has some great points. I appreciate that you mentioned 243 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: cleanliness because, as he's quoted in this article from Audubon, 244 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: the other feature of mir breeding ledges, says Burckhead, is 245 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: that they are invariably filthy. Sometimes it's like going into 246 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: a pig sty. 247 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: It's like a toilet, it's like a mountain toilet. 248 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: There are a lot of things, but they wouldn't be 249 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: great roommates these mirrors. He says that the guano and 250 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: dirt that encrust an incubating egg can clog up the 251 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: pores that allow chicks to breathe and also cause infection. 252 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: And that's when he found that it wasn't just the 253 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: rough shape of the egg, but It was also the 254 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: concentration of pores and where they occur. The greatest concentration 255 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: of pores from your egg is around the egg's large 256 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: blunt end, and it's raised above the ground by that 257 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: downward angle tip. 258 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: Okay, we've derailed ourselves with some really fascinating stuff about 259 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: the science behind these creatures and their eggs, and a 260 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: little bit about these islands. 261 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: But what was the deal ben with. 262 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: The situation the scarcity of eggs that caused folks to 263 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: rave these treacherous waters and these slippery slopes to get 264 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: those delectable eggs. 265 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: So this is where the entrepreneurial spirit kicks in. Six 266 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: men decided to profit from these eggs that were just 267 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: a little less than thirty miles off the coast. In 268 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty one, they sailed to the Farallon Islands. They 269 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: decided that they owned the islands. They gave themselves ownership. 270 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: Just you can do that, you could, apparently, I guess 271 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: you just got to like defend it, right, which which 272 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: we'll get into in a minute. 273 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: Right right. They gave themselves company shares and they started 274 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: attempting to take these eggs, with the intention being to 275 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: sell them in San Francisco despite their strange appearance. Oh 276 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: and we almost forgot the coolest part about the eggs. 277 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: The blood red yoke. 278 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: Blood red yolk and apparently a slight fishy taste. But 279 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: it hit like gangbusters because apparently the chickens, what little 280 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: there were in San Francisco, were eaten, so there were 281 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: no more hens to lay eggs, So this was a 282 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: really big deal. They had a source relatively close by, 283 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: although a treacherous trip to get there and to get 284 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: him back, and the guy that that headed up this 285 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: expedition was a guy by the name of Doc Robinson, 286 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 2: and he was a pharmacist and he and his crew 287 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: made this journey and described it as being a hellish 288 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: experience and decided they were not going to do it again. 289 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: But they would, you know, start a company and hire 290 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: people to do it for them. And that was the 291 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: impetus for the Egg Company. 292 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: Yeahs of creativity. 293 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: It's also been called the Pacific Egg Company Ink Pacific 294 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: Egg Company, Incorporated. But it was the first of its 295 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: kind and it very quickly bred kind of copycats that 296 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: were like, Hey, you can't own a whole island that's 297 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: not your island, and we're gonna come. 298 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: At you, right. Rival firms began to rise to the 299 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: marketplace these At the beginning, the egg company was doing 300 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: quite well. As Noel said, they were going like gangbusters. 301 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: They were climbing up these stiff, sleek cliffs and then 302 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: they were getting swarmed by all the birds there. Then 303 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: they would gather the freshest eggs in really brutal way. 304 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: They would stomp on the ones that were days old. 305 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that they would have to lay a new 306 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: eggs because, like you were saying, these birds typically only 307 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: lay one egg per season, but you know when you 308 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: smash it, they're gonna lay another. One My favorite part 309 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: about this, and try to imagine this, folks, they had 310 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: these special shirts called egg shirts with egg pockets, and 311 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 2: so you got these pictures of these guys with eggs 312 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: stuffed in their shirts. And I found a picture actually 313 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: from a newspaper from a Richmond, Virginia newspaper from a 314 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety five and it shows a man falling to 315 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: his death while having one of these bizarre looking egg 316 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: shirts on. He just looks totally I don't know, kind 317 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: of misshapen and bloated with eggs all the while while 318 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: these common mirrors are looking on completely disinterestedly. 319 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: Yet the demand alone egged them on in this dangerous mission. 320 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: I do not apologize for I'm going to have to someone. 321 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 2: You must be stopped too. 322 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: Late, man, I'm holding your hostage. I have all the eggs. 323 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: So by the early eighteen sixties they did have not 324 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: just some rival firms, but serious competition. And as we 325 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: alluded to earlier, the egg company's claim on these islands 326 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: was pretty dodgy, tentative at best, because just four years later, 327 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: President James Buchanan had solidified the federal government's claimed to 328 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: the land for a lighthouse. So they were going up 329 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: against the Feds, and it all came to a head 330 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: on a summer day in eighteen sixty three. 331 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: Just to add a little point of clarity, they were 332 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: kind of little zones in these islands, and some had 333 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: more of the eggs than others. True northern part was 334 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: considered far less productive in terms of eggs and was 335 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: a lot more treacherous, and doctor Robinson's egg company occupied 336 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 2: the less treacherous, more productive part of the island. So 337 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: there was a group of interlopers, shall we say, largely 338 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: Italian in Greek. 339 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: Folks independent Italian eggers. They were originally called. 340 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: Exactly, they were independent Italian And there's an interesting political 341 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: side note on this that we'll get to to a second. 342 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: But they row up Doctor Robinson's folks yell at them saying, 343 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: you know, they says something like land at your own 344 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: peril or something like that, to which these interlopers respond 345 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: that they were going to land in spite of hell. 346 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 2: And then they returned the next day to give that 347 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: a shot. 348 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: And the paper loved this. The papers were calling it 349 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: a war in earnest at the Farolons. We have a 350 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: quote from here at seven o'clock yesterday morning, they tried 351 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 1: to land, this being the Italians and the Greeks, but 352 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: were warned off by the foremen of the egg company 353 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: and five other employees. The latter say that the Italians 354 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: then commenced firing on the Americans. Several volleys were exchanged. 355 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: Edward Perkins, one of the Americans on shore, was shot 356 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: through the stomach and died in a few minutes. Thereafter 357 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: a number of Italians were seen to fall into the 358 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: boat simultaneously with the firing on shore, which is strange 359 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: because we can feel some racial tension or some ethnic 360 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: tension that the paper is putting in there. Ultimately two 361 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: men were killed in the conflict, one on each side, 362 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: so one of the egg company members and one of 363 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: the Italian eggers. The leader of the independent folks, the 364 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: one who most probably said we're going to land here 365 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: in spite of hell, was ultimately convicted of murder and 366 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: sent up the river to the state prison for a year. 367 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: Just a year, just a year, which makes you makes 368 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: you wonder. And this, even this did not stop the 369 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: demand for these eggs, which were also that yoke was 370 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: twice the size of a chicken egg. 371 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: So it was pretty nutritious, a lot of bang for 372 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: your buck, but pretty pricey, like you're saying earlier, with 373 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: the inflation rate, putting in about thirty bucks an egg, 374 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: although you could get a dozen for a dollar in 375 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: certain circumstances. But because of the work that it took 376 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 2: to get these things, and like you know, people did 377 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: fall to their deaths to the great white shark infested waters, 378 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: no one was going to part with these things for 379 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: any less than top dollar. There is a really fantastic 380 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: comic that a writer and illustrator from San Francisco named 381 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: Eva Chris anth wrote on her blog Farrell on egg 382 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: war dot blogspot dot com. She's got all kinds of 383 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: really great chronicler of this whole story. Yeah, and she 384 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 2: talks about that racial tension. She has a panel that 385 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 2: this describes three different men. What kind of man would 386 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: risk his life for a seabird egg? She asks, you 387 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: want to read a couple? Yeah, let's read a couple. 388 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: The first one says this, It's got a picture of 389 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: his man mustachioed, a fair haired man. And this is 390 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: the speech Bubble says, Like many other Northern Italians and 391 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 2: the years before unification, I fled the forced conscription of 392 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: the Austrian army. Instead I fought alongside Garibaldi in Brazil democracy. 393 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 2: I was a fool. Now I see the democracy as 394 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 2: just an illusion, like justice, salvation and gold. For how 395 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: many men will realize such riches? From Brazil? I took 396 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: a job on a whaling ship, the most beastial work 397 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: on earth besides this, and when gold was found in California, 398 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: our ship came here. 399 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: And this is coming specifically from a blog in reaction 400 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: to an earlier NPR piece by the Kitchen Sisters that 401 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: details the war. This blog piece from August twenty sixteen 402 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: is called what MPR left Out. 403 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: Because she was actually interviewed in that piece for two 404 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: hours and feels like the Kitchen Sister's piece, which is 405 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: really cool and richly sound design, is really really interesting. 406 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: It does leave out this racial angle entirely. 407 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: Right right, and it's a very important part of the story. 408 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: So our second person says he has a larger mustache, 409 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: darker hair. He says, I fought for Greek independence from Turkey, 410 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: and we did free ourselves into hunger, chaos and a 411 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: corrupt Bavarian monarchy in Athens. If you only knew what 412 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: a mess Europe is now, and all because of man. 413 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: But now, in this strange new land, rich in water, 414 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: rich in animal life, rich impossibility, I finally feel free here, 415 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: I dream again. Am I wrong to feel hope? And 416 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: we have one other paneling. 417 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: The last one is a clean shaven man with a 418 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: nice pork pie hat kind of situation. He says that 419 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: this is really sad. He says, the tax collector in 420 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: Medina tightened up its grip on my farm and my family. 421 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: They finally seized the land the day after my son 422 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: died malaria. My wife went mad and stabbed the tax collector. 423 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: Then she took her own life. I do not know 424 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: what will happen to me in California, but I pray 425 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: that it does not get worse, because trust me, things 426 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: can always get worse. And what this comic and most 427 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: of the content on this blog is really about is 428 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: the fact that these men that were a working for 429 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 2: the egg company in the first place, or going independent, 430 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: trying to go independent and fight against the egg company 431 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: and their dominance, their stranglehold over this island, they were 432 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 2: just desperate and willing to do the work. 433 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, because you will hear differing opinions 434 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: from various historians and researchers on the nature of these eggmen, 435 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: these eggers. As recently as two thousand and five, an 436 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: author named Susan Casey described the Eggmen as mafioso in 437 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: her book The Devil's Teeth. This seems like more of 438 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: a subjective belief rather than something's backed up with primary documentation, because, 439 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: as chrisanth points out, there was not a mafia presence 440 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: in California for nearly a century, and in the early 441 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, most of the immigrants to San Francisco who 442 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: came from Italy, came from northern Italy, which did not 443 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: have a mafia. That's right. 444 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: And the thing is like this egg war, it's not 445 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 2: really referring to this one battle. I mean, the battle 446 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: was kind of like it bubbled over and there was 447 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: actual violence, but there was always little scraps periodically, and 448 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: there was always that vying for the best real estate 449 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: on this island. Because the egg company didn't own the island. 450 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: Right, not really, they can't go against the Feds with this. 451 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 2: Had the most manpower, I guess. 452 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: And to show how tense this situation was, there were 453 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: also egg pirates, literal egg pirates. There were some. There 454 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: were some folks who said, you know, why should we 455 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: have to go risk our lives on the slopes when 456 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: we could hang out here on the water and just 457 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: take eggs from boats that were on the way back 458 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: to sanm fd Cisco. 459 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: I read, I'm trying to find the story, so here 460 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, it was in the time piece. Apparently 461 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 2: one expedition during this nesting season for these birds, they 462 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: would get five hundred thousand eggs, which just goes to 463 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: show like how damn many of these things there were. 464 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: Because again, typically these birds were only laying a single 465 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: egg per season. 466 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: And this had and as you might assume, detrimental effect 467 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: upon the breeding population, this was not a sustainable practice 468 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: over the long term. 469 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: No, the populations dwindled from hundreds of thousands of birds 470 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 2: before the egging began in the eighteen fifties to fewer 471 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: than thirty thousand. 472 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: Luckily for us, this story of ridiculous history does have 473 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: a happy ending because the birds are still around with 474 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: the hundreds of other seabird species that continue to live 475 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: and breed on the island. We're gonna go ahead and 476 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: tell you it's kind of tough to get there. 477 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: It's really tough to get there. And it has been 478 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: declared a National Wildlife Refuge site, and it is pretty 479 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: much uninhabited except for a small research station, and the 480 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: birds are protected. And you can ask for permission to 481 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: go to the island, but that is very rarely granted. 482 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: Acounting right the you and I would definitely have to 483 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: put some planning into it. You can see footage of 484 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: people arriving to the island, and one of the things 485 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: that struck me was after they sail out to the island, 486 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: they have to get in a different boat and be 487 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: lifted via crane onto the island. Crane is in a 488 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: human built crane, not a bird. That would be infinitely cooler. 489 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: That'd be cool, but completely absurd. And you know, sweep, 490 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: sweep the leg. 491 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: Sweep the sweep the leg. I can't believe. Did you 492 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: just cobra kai. 493 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: Reference us hy cobra kai you sir. 494 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: So what we do also want to point out here 495 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: is that despite their success in regrowing the population and 496 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: recovering the population of the common mure, the fact remains 497 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: that as we record this, there are fewer common mures 498 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: on the island than there were before the Gold Rush, 499 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: more than one hundred and fifty years ago. 500 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there had been around four hundred thousand. There's 501 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: another stat that I saw, and it dwindled down to 502 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: closer to six thousand because of this just rapacious behavior 503 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: by these eggers. 504 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: And I have to say, I I don't want to 505 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: put you on the spot here, Nol, but it's very 506 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: interesting to me that you're pro egg because you're so 507 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: anti bird. 508 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: I am very anti bird. I also when I eat chicken, 509 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: I don't like to think of what it used to be. Yeah, 510 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: I do like chicken, though, Ben, do you know what 511 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: actually finally put a stop to this unchecked egging. 512 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: Well, I hope this isn't a Quiztor segment. I'm gonna say, 513 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: chicken far me. 514 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: You got it. Chicken farming became a thing in nearby 515 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: Petaluma and became a huge industry, and that took the 516 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: pressure off for getting that sweet, sweet protein thankfully. 517 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: Yes, and this felt like a too little, too late 518 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: situation initially because, as we said, the population had dropped, 519 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: but luckily the birds were able to recover. And after 520 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: this titular event, this war, which lasted historian's guests around 521 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Actually yeah, still not the shortest war in history, 522 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: but that's a story for a different day. After this war, 523 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: the eggers continued to work on the island for another 524 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: couple of decades, about twenty years, until they were finally 525 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: evicted in eighteen eighty one. But the tree didn't stop 526 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: even then. It persisted for a number of years afterward. 527 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and even today, I mean I've heard of people going, 528 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, they visit San Francisco or know about like 529 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: they called summer gull egg season or something like that. 530 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: So you can get you can get fresh gull egg. 531 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: It's probably super illegal. It's poaching, I think, right. 532 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: Would you have ever eaten a goal egg? 533 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: I don't know think. I think the most exotic egg 534 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: I've ever eaten was a quail egg. I don't know. 535 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: I don't see why not. It seems like they taste weird. 536 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. If it's not an endangered species, I 537 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: think egg wise, I would generally be okay. But also 538 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: when we have been traveling, whether for work or weather 539 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: for fun, anytime we're near a large coastal area, goals 540 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: are like the roughest characters you're gonna meet. Now. 541 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: I was actually in San Francisco a little less than 542 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: a month ago for work, and goals I think are 543 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: probably the source of my bird phobia. When my grandfather 544 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: when I was a kid, my grandfather would have the 545 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: gulls swarm me on the beach. So when I was 546 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: in San Francisco, I always can what look a scance? Yeah, 547 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: you would throw breadcrumbs in the I have this memory 548 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: of being a little kid and seeing these things dive 549 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: bombing me from the sky, and I think that is 550 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: the source of my But when I'm out west, I 551 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: always look askance at those creepy guys. I feel like 552 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: they're always trying to come at me, their eyeballing me 553 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: from the side and plan their attack. 554 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: That's a harrowing experience. Man, this is the first time 555 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: you told me that story. I'm glad you're okay. 556 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: It might all just be coming back to me now, 557 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: like literally this moment I finally see the source. It's 558 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: like I'm being flooded with all this emotion and memory. 559 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: I can tell. I can tell it's written in large 560 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: font in your body language. But I promise you this 561 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: Casey and I and hopefully you as well fellow listeners, 562 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: will protect you and will not throw bread at you. 563 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: Please don't. 564 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: Ben. I really enjoyed this episode. 565 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: I thought this was a really fascinating story with a 566 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: lot of fun little side nuggets. So I think we 567 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 2: can wrap it up, but I would love it if 568 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 2: we could do a couple of listener mails. 569 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: That sounds like a great idea. 570 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: You want to do one each, that sounds good, sir. 571 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: I will go first bend to get mine out of 572 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: the way, because mine is a message of shame. Jay 573 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 2: Robert jose I wrote in very kindly, and he mentioned 574 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: this about our four g T forty Enzo Ferrari versus 575 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: Ford the second podcast episode, and he had a little 576 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: correction for me. He said, quote you mentioned that cars 577 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: in the twenty four hour Lamon went around two hundred 578 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 2: and fifty miles per hour. At that time nineteen fifty, 579 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: only one car had broken the two hundred miles per 580 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: hour barrier. It was the Sunbeam one thousand hp back 581 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty seven. But until nineteen eighty seven no 582 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: other car hit two hundred miles per hour. With the 583 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: Ferrari F forty, the time period you mentioned in the 584 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: podcast was circa nineteen fifty. At that time, the average 585 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 2: lap times of a Laman's car was eighty nine miles 586 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: per hour, with the fastest laps being done at one 587 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 2: hundred and two. Small detail, but I'm a little bit 588 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: of a petrol head, thank you, And I'm just going 589 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: to read you my response that I wrote to Jay 590 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: Robert Hi there. First off, let me put on my 591 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: best Homer Simpson voice when I say, oh, I am admittedly, 592 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: and I even admitted on the podcast not a petrel head, 593 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: and somehow got that stat utterly wrong, I'll be sure, 594 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: and mentioned on the next one we record, thanks for listening, 595 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: and here I am doing that thing, so thank you 596 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: very much for the correction. You're absolutely right, and yeah 597 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 2: I screwed up. 598 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: Don't beat yourself up. And then thanks for checking out 599 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: if I want to, okay, well if you I'm not 600 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: going to throw bread at you either way. We had 601 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: another We had another mentioned that in the two thousand 602 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: and sixteen la Mond that we mentioned Towards the end 603 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: of that episode we said Porsche placed first. Porsche placed 604 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: first in its class, and Ford placed first and third 605 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: in its class, so it was not all a hard 606 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: luck story. But thanks so much for writing in, sir. 607 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: We have one other email that fascinated all three of us, 608 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: Casey Nole myself, and it is from a Umi. Hello, 609 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the podcast. My name is Yumi, 610 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: and I'm a Japanese American raised in the US, but 611 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: born and currently living in Japan. I just finished listening 612 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: to the CAPS episode and I wanted to comment and 613 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: share some insight into a I'm an English teacher but 614 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: a believer in descriptivism over prescriptivism when it comes to language, 615 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: which I love that point. I completely agree with you. Now, 616 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: umy continues. As I teach in an English school that 617 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: allows non native teachers, we all use the texting app 618 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: line capital L I N E, which is Japanese in 619 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: predominant form of texting in Asia. But on top of that, 620 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: my main source of understanding emoji use actually comes from 621 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: my experience with dating apps. I used a few internationally 622 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: popular ones. I live relatively close to Tokyo, so I 623 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: had a few observations I think you might find interesting. 624 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: I'm not going to read the whole thing, but I'm 625 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: going to do some excerpts here. The hands folded together. 626 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: These are used to mean pleased by Japanese people, often 627 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: put at the end of the request. It's the suggested 628 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: emoji when I type please into the line app. The 629 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: eggplant emoji, which is infamous here in the States, by 630 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: the way, was, says a Umi, universally used by creeps 631 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: outside of Japan, as well as mixed Japanese people, but 632 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: Japanese nationals have no under standing of the racing meaning 633 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: unless they have friends overseas. Same with the peach, and 634 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: she goes on to talk about how the tear or 635 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: splash emoji in Japan is used when someone is feeling awkward, 636 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: much like other sweat drop emoji. 637 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 2: That's an anime all the time too. Whenever you see 638 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 2: someone that's struggling with something or stressed out, they'll have 639 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 2: little sweat lines coming out of their faces exactly. 640 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: And umians by saying another important note, not everyone uses 641 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: standard emoji anymore. For example, users of Line will use 642 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: their own emoji set called stamps or stickers. There are 643 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: tons of them, and users can even purchase special large 644 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: when specific to shows and games they like. I've attached 645 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: screenshots of my own apps showing just the original set 646 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: which we checked out, and a Umi ends it by saying, 647 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: hope you have a great day, regards, thanks so much 648 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: for writing to us. I find the evolution of language, 649 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: especially in the realm of emoji, endlessly fascinating. 650 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and I just think too, it's interesting that 651 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 2: the set that comes stock on you know, most phones, 652 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: iPhones at least, are you know, there are some characters 653 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 2: in there that are pretty intensely Japanese and that I 654 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 2: am still not. Like, there's a couple of food items 655 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 2: that I don't even think I've ever seen before. One 656 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 2: thing that's funny, and you've probably experienced this too, my 657 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 2: girlfriend has an Android and I have an iPhone. Our 658 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 2: emoji sets do not match. When I send her something 659 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: that looks a certain way for me, it does not 660 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 2: look the same for her. And there are a few 661 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 2: that have problematic differences. Yes, yeah, agree, Like there's one 662 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 2: that's sort of the Spanish dancer lady doing like a move, 663 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: and on her end it's a little like a little 664 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 2: boy doing like a bee boy doing hip hop dance 665 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 2: moves like break dancing. 666 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: Is so strange because I used to have an Android too, 667 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: and I would notice this in when we were in 668 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: group chats or something, or when I was texting someone, 669 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: or I would receive a text and I think, what 670 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: the what the hell is this is this? What story 671 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: are you telling me? I thought we were going to 672 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: meet at the barbecue place. 673 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 2: There's another one that like, when it comes on my end, 674 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 2: it looks like an eye roll. And I said something 675 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 2: to her about something that happened with my daughter that 676 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 2: I thought was just talking about, you know, being a 677 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 2: dad and saying something dorky, and she sent me this 678 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 2: iroll and I'm like, that's so mean, But it was 679 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 2: not that didn't look that way on her end. It 680 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 2: looked like a wide eyed or happy face or something 681 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 2: like that. So you know, careful Android versus iPhone users, 682 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: you might be sending mixed messages and not even know it. 683 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: And give somebody the benefit of the doubt if they 684 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: send you something that you think is crazy town, that's true. 685 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 2: Elephant's in the screenshot of what it looks like on 686 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 2: my phone back to her, so that we're on the 687 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: same page. We've kind of learned to do that. 688 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: That's a good policy, and that's where we're going to 689 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: end our listener mail, but not our show. We of 690 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: course want to thank Casey Pegrud, and we want to 691 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: thank Alex Williams for composing that fan favorite theme, and. 692 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 2: Regular contributor Laurie L. Dove who wrote one hundred and 693 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 2: fift years ago men killed for the eggs of these 694 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 2: birds on how stuff Works. 695 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: And most importantly, you, specifically you, not a general yes, 696 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: you and you listeners for tuning into another episode of 697 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: ridiculous history. I really hope that you enjoyed this episode 698 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: about the egg bore, because in our very next episode, 699 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: we're going to be diving into another bit of food 700 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: crime history. 701 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, with the as sordid tale of bootleg Margarine. 702 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to remember we were talking about this. I 703 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: wanted to use the phrase butter smuggler just because it 704 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: sounded cool. I like it, but it's Margarine. 705 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 2: I know it's okay, though you still say a butter 706 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 2: comes up. 707 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna spoiler. We're gonna be waiting to 708 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: slip that one in there, and we might even have 709 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: a surprise guest who you may ask, will this guest 710 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: be Well, there's one way to find out. 711 00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, come hang out with us. Thanks guys. For more 712 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 2: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 713 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 2: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.