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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that gives you the secret history and little known facts

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more, where

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Speaker 1: your trivia tangent tour guides. My name is Jordan Runtog

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Speaker 1: and I'm Alex Heigel, and today we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: The Truman Show. I saw it again recently and so

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Speaker 1: reminded how amazing it is. And initially I thought, there's

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Speaker 1: really no specific reason why we're talking about this movie today.

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Speaker 1: It came out, there's no big anniversary, no reboot or

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Speaker 1: sequel in the horizon. But then again, this is also

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Speaker 1: the perfect time to talk about it, because I'd say

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Speaker 1: it's one of the most terrifyingly prescient movies in the

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Speaker 1: last twenty five years. The Truman Show predicted the reality

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Speaker 1: TV craze, rampant product placement, the surreptitious invasion of personal

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Speaker 1: privacy and data mining, and also the forny issue of

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Speaker 1: whether to exist purely for yourself or for an audience?

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Speaker 1: Are you doing it for you? Were for the Graham.

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Speaker 1: So in an error when reality is becoming increasingly hard

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Speaker 1: to ascertain, there's really no better time to discuss the

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Speaker 1: Truman Show. Plus, it's just so damn good. It's so

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Speaker 1: clever and well crafted and creative. I was a screenwriting

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Speaker 1: maybe want to go with film school, these kind of

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Speaker 1: high concept plots. It's almost like a Kurt Vonnegut for

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Speaker 1: its story. What do you think about this movie? I

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Speaker 1: think it's great. We watched it at some point during

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Speaker 1: Lockdown and it is really good. I think it's kind

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Speaker 1: of falters around the end, but it is just such

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Speaker 1: a great concepts Foreshadows carries transition from maybe the air

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Speaker 1: apparent for Robin Williams like manic personality into like the

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Speaker 1: air apparent of Bill Murray's sad sack persona. And I

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Speaker 1: love it. I mean, Internal Sunshine one of my favorite movies.

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Speaker 1: Um and uh so this kind of gets it the same.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's such a I think he does get

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Speaker 1: short shrift as an actor, especially now that he's back

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Speaker 1: into doing that and sonic movies. But when he taps

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Speaker 1: into that well of sadness, it's so effective and this

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Speaker 1: movie is so good at that. And Philip Glass, I'm

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Speaker 1: a big Philip Glass, so that that song. Um, Truman

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Speaker 1: sleeps from this so good. I mean the movie it does.

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Speaker 1: It taps into this really human phenomenon who kind of

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Speaker 1: think of themselves as the hero of their own story,

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Speaker 1: and that can also be good, but can also be

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Speaker 1: egomaniacle as far as you know, empathy and things like that.

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Speaker 1: I feel like at one time we've all wondered if

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Speaker 1: we're Truman. Have you ever felt have you ever suspected

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Speaker 1: that you're in a in a fake world that's a

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Speaker 1: TV show centered around you? No, I think I constantly

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Speaker 1: assume that I'm on radio. I talked to myself constantly.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the reason why I've never been mugged,

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Speaker 1: because I just am always having animated because I'm also

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Speaker 1: like normal volume conversations with myself in public, always walking around. Um,

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Speaker 1: permanently miked up. It's really the perfect training for being

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Speaker 1: a podcast. It's just talking with no audience. But unlike me,

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Speaker 1: least that is what our benevolent overlords at my heart

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Speaker 1: the divisive US congressman who grew up in Truman's I. R.

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Speaker 1: L House, to the time Jim Carrey almost died on

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Speaker 1: set the gritty, violent first draft of this show, to

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Speaker 1: the practical reality of living in a sunless dome. Here's

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Speaker 1: our hashtag for the episode, and even the psychiatric disorder

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Speaker 1: named in the film's honor. Here is everything you didn't

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Speaker 1: know about The Truman Show. The Truman Show was conceived

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Speaker 1: by Andrew Nicol, a New Zealand born screenwriter who was

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Speaker 1: living in London and, befitting his amazingly paranoid premise, this

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Speaker 1: guy is, as you might imagine, somewhere anxious. His former

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Speaker 1: literary agent described him as quote the king of paranoia

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Speaker 1: on his side agents. So we don't know what happened there, uh.

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Speaker 1: In a interview with Vanity Fair, this agent recalls a

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Speaker 1: sense that this was the mind who created the Truman Show,

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Speaker 1: Nicol's other films are also preoccupied with these themes of

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Speaker 1: maintained as an underrated gym. Then he made Simone You

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Speaker 1: ever Simone Simone sim One zero? And remember that movie.

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Speaker 1: this early script, good Lord. The idea began as a

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Speaker 1: his wife needing to conceive a baby so that the

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Speaker 1: the show, who is Um the godlike, egomaniacal director played

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Speaker 1: watching the show and talking about it. Peter were planned

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Speaker 1: for projectionists to stop the film at one point during

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Speaker 1: all the screenings and cut to video shot by cameras

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Speaker 1: installed in every theater, so that the audience could watch

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Speaker 1: themselves watching Truman before then cutting back to the movie,

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Speaker 1: just to add this whole immersive metal layer to it,

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Speaker 1: which is I admire the concept, but I mean the

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Speaker 1: execudiam Castle style of like how do you break down

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Speaker 1: the walls between audience and do you read about all

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Speaker 1: that stuff? Oh, he's the b movie guy. He was

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Speaker 1: if we're now that we're getting this high falutin bridging

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Speaker 1: the gaps meta stuff. William Castle was a B movie

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Speaker 1: horror guy in the fifties and sixties, and he actually

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Speaker 1: had a ton of this stuff that's so funny. They're

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Speaker 1: all called vision. There was like a preceptive vision and

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Speaker 1: was the thing he hip smell a vision. He had

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Speaker 1: a thing for the movie called The Tingler, which was

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Speaker 1: about this little like I don't know, it's like I

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Speaker 1: think it was like a little creepy monster. And then

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Speaker 1: they would stop the film in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: thing and be like, ladies and gentlemen, the Tinglers loose

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Speaker 1: in the theater, you know, do not panic like. And

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Speaker 1: then they had they had like joy buzzers wired into

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Speaker 1: the theater seats, so it would buzz everyone's seat at

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Speaker 1: the same time and people would just like scream and

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Speaker 1: flip out. I love it. It's like when all the

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Speaker 1: sound footage horror became a thing, and for all the

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Speaker 1: test screenings they would make people sign an NDA so

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Speaker 1: they could use those footage of like people freaking out

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Speaker 1: in the theater and then put that in the trailers

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Speaker 1: a rich text for analysis. As they told me in college.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier that Jim Carey was sort of the

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Speaker 1: air apparent to the motor mouthed mania of Robin Williams,

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Speaker 1: And this is interesting because Robin Williams was originally considered

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Speaker 1: to play Truman, which makes a lot of sense because

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Speaker 1: Peter Weir had just done Dead Poets Society, which is

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Speaker 1: the old Captain, My Captain, twinkly eyed Williams drama inspires

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Speaker 1: a bunch of kids to major in English. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember what the point of that movie was. That was

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Speaker 1: his big breakthrough in the big dramatic role, so it

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Speaker 1: would have you know it kind of. It almost makes

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Speaker 1: a certain amount of sense that carry this was his

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Speaker 1: big breakthrough in the dramatic roles too. But we're fell

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Speaker 1: in love with Jim Carrey after seeing him in a

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Speaker 1: spenture Sorry, I gotta halfway. You gotta get this card

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Speaker 1: shopping executive. Yeah, bring me a spent I want to film.

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Speaker 1: Had this dense, multi layered film about the very nature

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Speaker 1: of identity and how media impacts that bring me the

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Speaker 1: guy who walked out of his ass. Uh. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: going to take a quick break, but we'll be right

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Speaker 1: back with more. Too much information in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, this is where this film starts to get

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Speaker 1: a little on the nose. Trueman is derived from the

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Speaker 1: Old English words for faithful and trustworthy. But yeah, true man.

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Speaker 1: Get it was Joe Sixpack taken. Chris Stop wants him

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Speaker 1: to be real and true. The only thing that's on

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Speaker 1: the show that's real, true man, Get it was Norm

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Speaker 1: l real guy taken. I wrote a bunch of this,

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Speaker 1: so I'm reading all of them, and Truman is also

485
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Speaker 1: a wink to Hollywood. The dome set is located just

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Speaker 1: north of the Hollywood Sign in Burbank, so beautiful downtown Burbank.

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Speaker 1: Listeners of a certain age will get that. Roman Martin

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Speaker 1: laughing joke. Paramount has studios in Burbank, so that's how

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Speaker 1: you get Truman Burbank. My last joke of these was

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Speaker 1: tim cell Town taken. Get it like Tinseltown anyway? Weird

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Speaker 1: weird saw echoes of Charlie Chaplin in um ace Ventura,

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Speaker 1: which okay, sure, Um and Carrie took that to heart,

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Speaker 1: bringing this kind of wide eyed amused Chaplains quality to

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Speaker 1: character of Truman. He said an interview with Entertainment Weekly,

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Speaker 1: the Truman Show was like a chaplain thing with funny

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Speaker 1: characters and whimsy and laughs, but with serious undertones and issues.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know we mentioned earlier this was his

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Speaker 1: first sort of transition dramatic roles. Uh. He took a

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Speaker 1: pay cut to appear in it, taking a paltry twelve

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Speaker 1: million instead of his customary twenty million. And this is

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Speaker 1: my favorite part. Supposedly people on the set were banned

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Speaker 1: from uttering catch phrases from his past silly movies. So

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Speaker 1: I guess somebody stopped them. Anyone that somebody stopped them.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I desperately crave validation. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey apparently kind of. There was some friction with

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Speaker 1: him and Peter were during the shoot. Jim's contract at

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Speaker 1: the time, perhaps unsurprisingly is this massive star gave him

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Speaker 1: the power to renegotiate aspects of the script, to ask

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Speaker 1: for rewrites, and carry would later admit that he did

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Speaker 1: have a bit of a temper on the shoot. He said,

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Speaker 1: there were a couple of times in the film when

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Speaker 1: I got pretty angry, and Peter is just a gentle soul,

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Speaker 1: and I am most of the time unless I think

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Speaker 1: people are endangering people. Weird thing to add but Peter

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Speaker 1: would say, boy, there's a monster inside you that is

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Speaker 1: very powerful, and you have to be careful how you

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Speaker 1: lose it. This is getting weird, but they eventually became close,

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Speaker 1: especially after we're kind of put carry on a longer leash.

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Speaker 1: Let him improvise a little bit more. Um. The most

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Speaker 1: famous instance of said improvisation on this on this shoot

521
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: where the mirror scenes in which he uses soap to

522
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Speaker 1: draw space helmet around his reflection in the mirror proclaims

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Speaker 1: the planet true Mania. Sure. He claimed that this was

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Speaker 1: actually something he did at home, drawing soap masks on

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Speaker 1: his bathroom mirror and doing characters which I completely buy. Um.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I would do a whole body suit or big

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Speaker 1: frilly dress with a wig and then put myself into it.

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Speaker 1: He would say, weird, dude, Jim Carrey, Yeah, God, more

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Speaker 1: dad's stuff. Uh. Carrie also drew on memories of his

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Speaker 1: father to create the character. He would later say that

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Speaker 1: the repeated catchphrase good morning and in case I don't

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Speaker 1: see you, good afternoon, good evening, and good night was

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Speaker 1: the kind of thing his dad would say because he

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Speaker 1: was the type of guy who quote wanted people to

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Speaker 1: feel covered. Because he was Nadian and that's their deal.

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Speaker 1: Carry would later tell Vanity Fair, my father's demeanor was Truman.

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Speaker 1: He used to lean in when he would say hello,

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Speaker 1: how are you, He'd start laughing, even for you told

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Speaker 1: him how things were. He was just a very affable,

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Speaker 1: beautiful soul. I wanted it to be a tribute to him.

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Speaker 1: So there are little moments throughout the movie that are

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Speaker 1: so my dad that my family would say, oh, you

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Speaker 1: were doing dad, which is cute and Canadian comedians and

544
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Speaker 1: their dad's good Lord. Next we're going to find out

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Speaker 1: John Candy's entire career was an extended due to his father. Well,

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Speaker 1: this brings us to the character of Christophe Truman's lord

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Speaker 1: and protector. In many ways, he's Truman's foil because his

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Speaker 1: character when he's being interviewed on that chat show by

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Speaker 1: Harry Schuer I totally forgot Harry Shearer was in. Yeah,

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00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: it's noted that Kristof fiercely guards his privacy, which is

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Speaker 1: hilarious because he set up this man who's on public display.

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Speaker 1: Just thought that was interesting. Dennis Hopper was originally cast

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Speaker 1: in the role of Kristof, but apparently the crazy bastard

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Speaker 1: energy on the set between him and Jim Carey would

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Speaker 1: have been just too much because he departed in the

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Speaker 1: middle of production. But beyond the fact that he left

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Speaker 1: the movie, it gets a little fuzzy in terms of details.

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Speaker 1: Hopper later claimed that he was fired after two days

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Speaker 1: because We're and producer Scott Ruden had made a deal

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Speaker 1: if they didn't both approve of Hopper's performance, they would

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Speaker 1: replace him. I've seen other sources say that Hopper quit

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Speaker 1: much longer into the shoot. Interestingly, Dennis Hopper went on

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Speaker 1: to accept a supporting role in ed TV, which is

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Speaker 1: about a regular Joe Schmo starring in a basically a

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Speaker 1: reality show of his life. So I'm going to interpret

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Speaker 1: that as a giant middle finger to the Truman Show production,

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Speaker 1: like I'll make my own damn normal guy and a

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Speaker 1: reality show movie. God, can you imagine a meeting between

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Speaker 1: Jim Carey and Dennis Hopper. Not enough cocaine in the

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Speaker 1: world to do an imitation of those two men trailer together.

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Speaker 1: Good God. But he did ed TV and now over

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Speaker 1: to an arguably much better ed Ed Harris. He was

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Speaker 1: hired at the last minute, uh in an almost literal sense,

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Speaker 1: the last minute. He said he was hired on a

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Speaker 1: Thursday and had to report the work on a Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and in between he had to fly to New York

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Speaker 1: for a prior commitment, so he had next to no

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Speaker 1: time to prepare, which is maybe why his initial thoughts

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Speaker 1: on how to play Kristof weren't so great. I guess

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Speaker 1: early in the production he planned to play Kristof as

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Speaker 1: a hunchback, which would provide a backstory for his over

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Speaker 1: zealous drive to give Truman a perfect life. He had

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Speaker 1: a bad childhood, so he wanted Truman to have everything perfect,

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Speaker 1: everything idolized. But I guess said Harris changed his mind

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Speaker 1: after trying on a prosthetic hump and realizing that it

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Speaker 1: looked not good. Um. So, interestingly, and perhaps appropriately, Jim

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Speaker 1: Carrey and Ed Harris never met on the set of

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Speaker 1: The Truman Show. I guess Hopper was supposed to shoot

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Speaker 1: all of his elements last, so carry was already gone

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Speaker 1: by Tom Ed Harris got there, which I feel like

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Speaker 1: serves the story that there was this disconnect between Truman

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Speaker 1: on Earth and the Great God Director in the sky.

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Speaker 1: But while we're on the topic of dark backstories, like

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Speaker 1: the dark backstory for Christoph, I want to talk about

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00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: Truman's best friend in the movie, the character known within

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Speaker 1: the show as Marlin. And something I never picked up

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Speaker 1: on until watching this movie recently was that the people

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Speaker 1: in Truman's world, his wife Meryl, his best friend Marlin,

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Speaker 1: they all have real world names. I just assumed that

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Speaker 1: they were people who were being themselves in Truman's dome world.

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Speaker 1: But we're aware of the premise. But that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: So the actors in this real life like you know,

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Speaker 1: oh no, I've gone cross side, you know, but you

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Speaker 1: and I have a podcast and are talking in now,

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Speaker 1: are an actor playing an actor, which is tough to

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Speaker 1: pull off a lot again, all this meta stuff, and

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Speaker 1: so all the actors in real life put a lot

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Speaker 1: of thought into their performances where they're playing an actor.

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Speaker 1: And so the real life actor Noah Emrick played an

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Speaker 1: actor named Louis Coltrane who was playing the role of Marlin,

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Speaker 1: Truman's best friend, and Emrick said that he came up

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Speaker 1: with his own backstory for the character. He'd been on

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Speaker 1: the show his entire life thanks to his pushy stage

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Speaker 1: mom who sold him into this on reality and sacrifice

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Speaker 1: his childhood for the sake of becoming a TV personality.

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Speaker 1: So adding to this emotional turmoil, this actor Louis Coltrane,

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Speaker 1: named for two jazz icons. He grew up on the show,

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Speaker 1: and he felt a genuine friendship with Truman, and he

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Speaker 1: felt really burdened by keeping this secret from this guy

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Speaker 1: who was authentically his best friend. And Emeric said, my

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Speaker 1: character is in a lot of pain. He feels really

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Speaker 1: guilty about deceiving Truman. He's had a serious drug addiction

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Speaker 1: for many years, been in and out of rehab. And

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Speaker 1: you don't really see any of this in the final film,

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Speaker 1: but there are a few deleted sequences where Louis openly

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Speaker 1: expresses remorse for what he's doing, and in one scene

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Speaker 1: that didn't make the final cut, during the big man

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Speaker 1: hunt for Truman throughout the town when Truman's making his escape,

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Speaker 1: Louis slash Marlin seized Truman making his escape and does

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Speaker 1: nothing because he wants him to get away. Interesting to

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Speaker 1: note that the Truman Show is studied in ethics classes,

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Speaker 1: especially media ethics, for all the terrible stuff that the

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Speaker 1: actors who are in Truman's world are forced to endure,

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Speaker 1: including Truman's wife Meryl, who has played within the movie

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Speaker 1: by the actress Hannah gil who has played in real

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Speaker 1: life by many even are kidding about the cross side thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: During the shoot, the cast members lived in the homes

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Speaker 1: found on location and we'll get to the location in

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00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: a minute. And Laura Linney bunked with Holland Taylor, who

640
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: played the character of actress playing Truman's mother or the

641
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: actual Truman's mother in the show. No, she is an

642
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: actress playing Truman's mother. Truman's mother, okay uh. She said

643
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: they spent the bulk of their time trying to work

644
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: out what she called the mental tight rope of playing

645
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: an actor who's maintaining a character and someone else's reality.

646
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: And she would describe it as not unlike playing a

647
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: character in a dream. It's like sleight of hand, but

648
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: slight of mind sounds like a seventies prog rock record.

649
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: Being in the Truman Show was a sleight of mind trick.

650
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: So she started out by developing the character of Hannah

651
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: g l who's this actress Laura Leney imagined, unlike being

652
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 1: this kind of fifties sunny housewife character on the show,

653
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: The actress Hannah was like this mogul, like a hard bitten, cutthroat.

654
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Laura Leney would describe her as a rapidly ambitious, powerful woman.

655
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: While not on set. My idea was she had this

656
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: huge room with an enormous conference table, and she was

657
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: just making deals left, right and center, making an enormous

658
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: amount of money. So she imagines she got a salary

659
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: bump every time she slept with Truman, which, huh, or

660
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: got a products placement, Yeah, exactly, or got a successful

661
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: product placement on the show. I just think it's so

662
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: interesting that all these actors work so hard to create

663
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: this backstory for a character that almost never appears on

664
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: the film, Like, you don't see this Hannah Gilt character.

665
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: The only time that she breaks as somebody other than

666
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: Truman's wife, Meryl, is when Truman loses it at her

667
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: and she screams, you know, I can't work under these conditions.

668
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: That's it. So it's just so fascinating to me, the

669
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: whole iceberg underneath, that they've worked out who these people

670
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: are that we the audience seeing this film never get

671
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: to see. It's it's interesting. Yeah. Did you mention that

672
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Emeric had pitched his character as alcoholic? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

673
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: And I think he mentioned that we'll talk about the

674
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: beer thing. But he says, like, that's why the whole

675
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: beer thing is so conflicting for him, because he his

676
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: character has been in and out of rehab, so having

677
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: to constantly hawk beer just these incredibly deep, like method

678
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: backstory things for anyway, Yeah, so the product placement. Laura

679
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: Lenny's character's character on the show is a pitch woman. Uh,

680
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, she does these classic fourth wall breaks to

681
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: the camera showing the three and one kitchen knives and

682
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: the lawnmower, and even when he's in the middle of

683
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: his his you know world, who starts to break down,

684
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: he's having this identity crisis. She does the Cocoa Hot

685
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: chocolate brand, and she does those classic fan of white

686
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: showcasing the thing that you win prize and uh, Peter

687
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: Wear's wife gave her an old Sears Roebuck had aalog

688
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: from the forties and fifties, and so he was like here, like,

689
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: look how these models would pitch these products, and she's

690
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: so good at it, And Jim Carey agreed he would

691
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: complement the performance by saying she played it beautifully, like

692
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: some joyful animatron um. All Right, the actual name of

693
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: that town of truman World is Sea Haven Island. That's

694
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: the world within a world. The life size dome sound

695
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: stage that's Truman's universe, and so all the interior scenes

696
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: in that are brightly lit because they wanted to remind

697
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: viewers that in this world everything is for sale. Whole yeah, exactly, Yeah,

698
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: the whole thing is way too bright and way too colorful,

699
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: which is sort of the polar opposite of the initial

700
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: dank seventies taxi driver in New York City concept that

701
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: they were going with Craig Barron, who is the VFX supervisor,

702
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: and this said that they studied Norman Rockwell paintings, which

703
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: is really fascinating and this is such an easy thing

704
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: to see fifties postcards of Florida or California with these big,

705
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: idealized paintings of the ocean. So crafting this look, their

706
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: goal was to give the oppression that there was like

707
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: an art design or production manager team working on the show,

708
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: which I think they achieved. And so they were all

709
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: set to shoot it on a back lot, were had

710
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: a sound stage booked at Universal, but then his wife, Wendy,

711
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: who's the same woman who handed Laura Lenny those vintage

712
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Sears catalogs. She told we're about the town of Seaside, Florida,

713
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: which is a master planned community located in the Florida Panhandle,

714
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: which sounds like a special layer of hell. Uh. We

715
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: had checked out a few Florida towns before this and

716
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: hadn't been impressed. But as soon as he set foot

717
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: in the town, he told his team, unpack our things,

718
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: We've found our town, and they opened up a production

719
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: office in town that very week. Many of the three

720
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: d extras used during the shoot, which was from December

721
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: to April, citizens of this town. And they still get residuals,

722
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: which I love. This guy was interviewed in Uh. He

723
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: said he still gets a bi monthly check for twenty

724
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: six dollars because tinsel town baby um and all of

725
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: them have uniformly nice things to say about Jim Carrey,

726
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: which is adorable. This one kid said that carry would

727
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: go and buy him ice cream and uh and do

728
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: the ace Ventura voice for him, which is funny considering

729
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: the prescribed other people doing that voice on set. The

730
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: craziest thing about Seaside, Florida Congressman Matt Gates grew up

731
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: there in one of those houses. No not one of

732
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: those houses in Truman's House. In the Truman House. He

733
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: was born in eighty two, so he would have been

734
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: a teen when this movie was shot and presumably living there.

735
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: There's a sign still in front of this house that

736
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: confirms that it is not only the Gates House but

737
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: also Truman's House. Uh. Not enough therapy in the world

738
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: to undo that. Not truly incredible Jordan's Jordan's subtitled this

739
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: next one Life in the Dome Colan The Gods must

740
00:40:54,239 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: be Crazy. I mentioned earlier about how logic was a

741
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: big buzzword for director Peter Weir, and he wanted to

742
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: make this world totally immersive and have everything planned out,

743
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: with all questions answers, so that the audience could just

744
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: get lost in it and just accept the fantasy, which

745
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: is a pretty tough fantasy to accept. And so I'd

746
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: like to do a lightning round of all sorts of

747
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: clever details that I'd never noticed about Truman's world, and

748
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: they all just make me appreciate this movie so much more.

749
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: The first one, you'll notice that in one early scene

750
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: there's a bottle of vitamin D on Truman's kitchen table.

751
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: Vitamin D is something that human beings get in large

752
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: part thanks to exposure to the sun. In this fake

753
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: Seahaven Island world, there's obviously no son, So that's why

754
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: Truman and presumably all the other actors pound vitamin D pills,

755
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, so they won't come down with osteoporosis or

756
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: ricketts or you know, some kind of vitamin deficiency disease.

757
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: But especially important for Truman, because God forbid Truman die

758
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: and the show lose their star, and a small country's

759
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: worth of people be out of work. The radio, yes,

760
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: the radio station that Truman listens to on a way

761
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: to work, only plays classical music and other material that's

762
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: in the public domain, so that producers on this reality

763
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: show don't have to pay royalties or deal with the

764
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: business and legal hassles of getting copyrights clear to play

765
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: this stuff. Again, it's a TV show broadcast, you've got

766
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: to clear all the songs you play, so you only

767
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: play stuff that's in public domain. But Truman's not bored

768
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: by it for two reasons. One is because this is

769
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: the only kind of music that he knows. He's grown

770
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: up with classical music, and that's kind of old timey

771
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: public domain stuff. He doesn't know any better. And the

772
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: other reason is that there's only one radio station in town,

773
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: and that's because the rest of the frequencies are taken

774
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: up by short wave walkie talkies between the producers and

775
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: the cast so they can communicate, and you hear you

776
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: see moments of that throughout the movie. So there's literally

777
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: only enough bandwidth for one station. And you also notice

778
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: that there's only one TV station and it plays solely

779
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: old movies and I Love Lucy reruns, and Truman believes

780
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: he lives in rural Florida, so this all scans and

781
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: the Florida thing isn't typically stated, but when he talks

782
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: about Fiji being as far away as you can get

783
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: in the world before you start coming back, that indicates

784
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: I Peole got a globe that it's around Florida. That's interesting.

785
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: Is I Love Lucy's not in the public domain? Is

786
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: it was that because the studio owned it? No, In fact,

787
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: I think they actually owned it. I think they were

788
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: the first people to own their own Um. Yeah, they

789
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: famously became one of the first people to make you know,

790
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: reruns the thing. Uh they the studio was like, oh yeah, sure,

791
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: like you can have those like, you're gonna want to

792
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: watch this again, because the single handed the events is syndication.

793
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: That's why the one I always see is Night of

794
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: the Living Dead, one of the most influential horror movies

795
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: of all time, maybe the But George Romo never made

796
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: a dime on that original movie because the distributors forgot

797
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: to copyright it, so it's in the public domain. So

798
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: you see it in all of these You know, it's

799
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: a quick thing you can throw on in the background

800
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: of your film. Um, we mentioned the music. I just

801
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: want to point out Philip Glass has a cameo in

802
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: the film. He's in the studio and they're when they

803
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: panted the shot of musicians working on it, the Philip

804
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: Glasses in there, speaking of broadcasting. News was of course

805
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: heavily censored in Truman's world, and usually it extolled the

806
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: virtues of small town life compared to the dangerous, gross, overcrowded,

807
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: disease written troubled world outside of New York and Islands.

808
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, New York. Um, and you know you'll remember

809
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: that there's a newspaper headline that reads, see Haven voted

810
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: best place to live. You know, so the news is

811
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: usually used to kind of deter Truman from his his

812
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: wonder lost, his desire to escape the place where he's

813
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: been all of his life, and news is also used

814
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: to explain away troubling questions that crop up in his life,

815
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: like the sudden appearance of his father, which is dismissed

816
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: as part of a homeless problem as another headline that's

817
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: almost level in town is becoming a problem, which is

818
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 1: something you wouldn't necessarily expect in such an idyllic town.

819
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: But I guess they needed to explain away his dad reappearing.

820
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: But this is just a h this is speculation or

821
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: p Do you think it's how they just that was

822
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: like their clearing house for actors or explaining anything. They're

823
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: just like, there's a homeless guy wandering around. I don't know. Yeah,

824
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I think we'll get to this later.

825
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: But I think there was a deleted scene where Truman

826
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: he like sees a jogger and two days before that

827
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: jogger was a guy in a wheelchair that like, Yeah,

828
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely see moments of them like having

829
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: problems when they start to recycle extras because he starts

830
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: to notice um fun the note that the Seaside Times

831
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: newspaper if you pause it it just the right moment

832
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: is listed as volume twenty nine and Roman numerals number

833
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: ten thousand seven D sixty five, which means that if

834
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: you account that the daily issue, divide that by three

835
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: hundred sixty five, it's twenty nine and a half or

836
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: twenty nine and a half years. The exact age of Truman. Yes,

837
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Truman is not did you do that younger than us?

838
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: Did you crunch those numbers? I didn't. I would I

839
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: would worry about you if you would talk. But yeah, this,

840
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: well somebody else did. Yeah, which is means that there's

841
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: someone else like me out there, which is even scary.

842
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, the newspaper started when he was born, to

843
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: daily thing, So there you go. Uh, speaking of a newspaper.

844
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: The kiosk where he buys it is called Lancaster Square,

845
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: named for the actor Burt Lancaster. All of the places

846
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: in Sea Haven are named for one the Hollywood Icon

847
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: or another. There's Barrymore Road, and there's nods to orson Wells.

848
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: And then this even extends to the character names in

849
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the cast. His best friends Marlin, Marlon Brando, his wife's

850
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: Meryl Meryl Streep, Lauren for Lauren Bacall. There's a Kirk

851
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: in there. It's all Hollywood, and it's interesting to see

852
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: how the show within the movie The Truman Show. In

853
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: the movie The Truman Show wrote in vacations for the characters,

854
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: and Marlon is a big one. There's a scene where

855
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: Truman talks about Marlon catching pneumonia as a kid and

856
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: missing a month of school. That was most certainly a vacation.

857
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: And there's also a time later in life and when

858
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: he talks about Marlon delivering chickens around the country for

859
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: long stretches in the summer, also most certainly a vacation.

860
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting. But Truman, of course,

861
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: can never take a vacation. And uh, they do this

862
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: they I mean, the world building they put in this

863
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: is just so incredible. Even when he visits the travel agent,

864
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: the travel agent has posters of planes getting struck by lightning.

865
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: It could happen to you, it says, yeah. But a

866
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: little moment in the scene that that is just also

867
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: really fascinating. The travel agent she says she's I'm sorry

868
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: for being late, and she's wearing a makeup bib, which

869
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: is the bib that they put on actors in the

870
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: makeup chair to keep from getting um makeup on their wardrobe,

871
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: and she realized that she hasn't kind of hastily rips

872
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: it off. I always actually just like had lunch in

873
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: her office or something. I never never put that together

874
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: until researching this. Anyway, you mentioned earlier that there are

875
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: bits where actors are recycled. The bus driver becomes the

876
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: ferry driver later, and the jogger played a homeless man.

877
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: So just all these little touches. It is so fast hating.

878
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: You've mentioned that it can happen to you, the kind

879
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: of fear malgering that keeps him in the town. There's

880
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: a the bridge on the outskirts of time. There's a

881
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: sign that says you are now leaving Sea Haven, and

882
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: then in letters under it says, are you sure that's

883
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: a good idea? UM? And the motto in the in

884
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: the town center on the archway is unus pro omnibus

885
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: omnus pro uno, which is one for all and all

886
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: for one in Latin, as in this is all done

887
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: for the benefit of one man. The beers we mentioned

888
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: Marlin is usually carrying around a six pack. It is

889
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: always a brand of beer called Penn Pavel's, which is

890
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: a fictitious brand that is used frequently in film and TV.

891
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: You can see it in that seventies show Parks and Wreck,

892
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: The Walking Dead, Cougar Town, Harold and Kumar, Donnie Darko,

893
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: Modern Family, and Um. It is just part of The

894
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: Truman Show's extensive product placement campaign, which is uh interesting

895
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: because it's also the beer at the bar the Truman

896
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: Show bar Um and param On Exacts suggested that they

897
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: try and put real product placement in the movie, which

898
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: We're was like incredulous because he asked them if they've

899
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: even bothered to read the script because they missed the

900
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: point of the movie, which is unsurprising for Exacs. But

901
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: the beer thing is interesting because the other one that

902
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: I've seen all the time recently is Heisler, which is

903
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: a beer with the red label that you see in

904
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: New Girl, Brooklyn nine nine. And I was looking this

905
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: up and it's from a company called Studio Graphics, and

906
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: they actually gave an interview to thrill Us in and

907
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: they said that they were the first company to patent

908
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: a fake brand which is either for the beer or

909
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: for Morley cigarettes, which you will recognize as the cigarettes

910
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: from the X Files that the cigarette smoking man smokes.

911
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, and now we'll be as as we frequently

912
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: do on the podcast, we begin to meditate on the

913
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: nature of time itself. Yes, there is the small matter

914
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: of time. There are some serious Truman Show nerves who

915
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: get into some serious Truman Show nursery here, and I'll

916
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: gloss over it quickly, but it is really interesting. In

917
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: the movie, an extra reads a newspaper dated Friday December

918
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: and that suggests a Sea Haven December. But in the

919
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: final scene of the movie, the security guards out there

920
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: in the real world who are discussing whether or not

921
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: anything else is on after Truman Show goes off the air,

922
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: there's a calendar behind them that appears to indicate that

923
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: it's May in the real world. So it's possible that

924
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: the Sea Haven world is five months behind the outside world.

925
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: And there are several theories as to why this is

926
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: possibly done. One is it so that Christophe could get

927
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: product placement deals set in time for the Christmas holidays,

928
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: which would then allow for sponsors to create real world

929
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: as seen on the Truman Show campaign. So Meryl gives

930
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: Truman a bunch of gifts at Christmas. There you go,

931
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: allows for right, Yeah, so many details. It's so good.

932
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: But speaking of time, as as we often do, it's interesting, well,

933
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: in relative terms, it is interesting to me to try

934
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: to figure out at exactly what point Truman figured out

935
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: the truth about his existence, or at least as near

936
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: to the truth as possible. And some of theorized that

937
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: it's the moment when Truman reunites with his father and

938
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: begins to sob, And according to this version of events,

939
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: he's crying not out of happiness for these reunited with

940
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: his long presumed dead dad, but because he realizes then

941
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: and there that everything is a lie. His friends, his wife,

942
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: his family, even his father, who had been this kind

943
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: of you know, canonized figure in his life that he

944
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: thought had died and he was a kid. Everybody's been

945
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: deceiving him, and that's why he starts to cry. And

946
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: you'll notice it all throughout the movie. Truman's wearing a

947
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: large black diamond ring which slipped off his father's hand

948
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: just before he drowned, which I guess we should have

949
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: mentioned this earlier. The thing that's really keeping Truman on

950
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: this island is that he's afraid of water because he

951
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: witnessed his dad drowning earlier on when he was a kid,

952
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: which was the perfect emotional scar worring to you know,

953
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: ensure that he would never dare leave you on an

954
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: island exactly. Yeah. Um. And so when his dad's about

955
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: the drown of ring slips off his finger, which Truman

956
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: wears throughout his life. He wore as a keepsake, but

957
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: producers wanted him to wear it because it contained a camera.

958
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: And after Truman reunites with his father, you'll notice that

959
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: he gives the ring back. Uh. And there are subtle

960
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: little hints that the production team is getting nervous that

961
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: Truman is piecing things together. And you can see Paul Giamatti,

962
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: who's one of the producers of The Truman Show. Uh,

963
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: he's reading classified ads in the l a times towards

964
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: the end of the movie because probably because he's worried

965
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: that his gigs about to end. Um. We mentioned earlier

966
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: speaking again more of this you know show within the

967
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: movie and all the production challenges around it. We mentioned

968
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: earlier that a major subplot in the original script of

969
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: The Truman Show of Real World Truman Show was Christoff's

970
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: insistence that Truman who's a baby, so that the show

971
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: could live on. It's like the Royal Family. You need,

972
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: you need an air, you need, you need an issue,

973
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: And it's a referenced in the final film obliquely, but

974
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be a bigger part of the plot,

975
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: but it was left on the cutting room floor. And

976
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: there's a deleted scene that features a meeting with Kristof

977
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: and its production team and the principal cast, and this

978
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: is just after Truman loses it on his wife, Meryl

979
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: and she announces that she can't work under these conditions.

980
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: Kristof reveals that Meryl will not be renewing her contract

981
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: and she's being written off the show. But they're introducing

982
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: a new love interest shortly so that the first on

983
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 1: air conception can go ahead as scheduled and the show

984
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: can live on. And Kristof and the executives intend to

985
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: start a two channel broadcast format, with one channel dedicated

986
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: to Truman and the other channel dedicated to following his child.

987
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: And this prompts the guilt ridden Marlin, Truman's best friend,

988
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: to ask, so when Truman dies, we just go back

989
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: to the single channel format, right. He's kind of being sarcastic,

990
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: and Christoff doesn't reply and his silence is deafening. And

991
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: that's a deleted scene, but a very interesting deleted scene.

992
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, they ended up cutting out the whole need

993
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: for a baby because I I my guess is that

994
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: it's just too creepy. Yeah, that's um. But speaking of

995
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: what happens when Truman dies, they almost don't have to

996
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: wait long for Truman to die thanks to his daring,

997
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,959
Speaker 1: water logged escape on the high seas or the tempestuous

998
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: swimming pool whatever it is that actually doubles as the

999
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: sea for seah have an island. The boat the Truman

1000
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: sales on at the end of the movie is named

1001
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: the Santa Maria, which is the same name of one

1002
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: of Christopher Columbus ships when he's sailing to find the

1003
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: so called New World. So that's a nice little reference there.

1004
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: Truman's on his way to find his own new world.

1005
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: That's one of the more obvious signs. But there's one

1006
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: that's a little more subtle, but I thought was interesting.

1007
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: The sale of his boat is marked with the number

1008
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty nine, and as with most details

1009
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: in this movie, that's no accident. It's thought to be

1010
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: a reference to Psalm one and thirty nine, which was

1011
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: a Bible passage best known for its description of the

1012
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: relationship between humankind and its creator. And the words are

1013
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: for you created my inmost being. You knit me together

1014
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: in my mother's womb. Your eyes saw my unformed body.

1015
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: All the days ordained for me were written in your

1016
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: book before one of them came to be. And this

1017
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: is just before Truman communicates with Christoff, his creator in

1018
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: a sense for the first time, the only time. Uh.

1019
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: And just think of Kristoff's final words to Truman. I've

1020
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: watched you your whole life. I saw you take your

1021
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: first step, your first word, your first kiss. I know

1022
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: you better than you know yourself. My relatives were Byzantine priests.

1023
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: I feel like this is coming through now. Really. Yeah,

1024
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 1: I worry. My great grandfather was a Bysantine priest. Yeah.

1025
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: That's and wild man, I had no idea. Um, speaking

1026
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: of Bible thumpers. Um. One thing the movie is actually

1027
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: not about is abortion. I don't know how common that

1028
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: is is a theory, but Nichols be if I interview,

1029
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: I just love that he brings this up seemingly unprompted,

1030
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: says my favorite piece of fan mail was a woman

1031
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: who wrote to me and said, thank you because I

1032
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: know that this is an anti abortion film and that

1033
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: Truman is a fetus sailing to escape on a uterine see.

1034
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: And his response was, that's beautiful and it's messed up

1035
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: as you meditate on that. We'll be right back with

1036
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: more too much information after these messages grab bag of

1037
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: other things that this movie is ostensibly about, or the

1038
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: themes of this movie. Antonio Graham She's concept of hegemony

1039
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: in which film and television programs co opt our enchantment

1040
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: or disenchantment with the media and sell it back to us.

1041
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: That is a paper quoted from the Journal of Communication Inquiry.

1042
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: Another one from the International Journal of psycho Analysis states

1043
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: the progression of being an adolescent trapped in a familiar

1044
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: and social world that eventually you escape and gain an

1045
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: authentic identity as an adult or a true man. So

1046
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: good job International Journal of Psychoanalysis for just hitting it

1047
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: on the nose there. Um a Mormon writer compared Christoph

1048
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: to Lucifer, and he also said the conversation between Truman

1049
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: and Marlin at the Bridge can be compared to the

1050
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: one between Moses and God. In the Book of Moses.

1051
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: One C. S Lewis fan compared Kristof to screw Tape,

1052
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: which is from the screw Tape Letters by C. S. Lewis.

1053
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: That is, um, the book about the devil and God

1054
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: writing letters back and forth to each other. Um. Thomas

1055
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: Moore's fifteen sixteen book Utopia a social uh social political satire.

1056
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: You're nodding at that. I did not have an idea

1057
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: you know about this. I know about utopia because there

1058
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: is a not the tyle on good Band. Um. There

1059
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: was a utopian community that was actually is actually just

1060
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: down the street from where I grew up, um. And

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Speaker 1: I think Laura Ingles Wilder grew up there, and my

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: sister ended up getting married there and DJ some weddings there,

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Speaker 1: So I know a little bit about the back weddings. Yeah,

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00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: the venue. Yeah, yeah, yeah that. As with most utopias,

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Speaker 1: it didn't last. Um. Well, and now I played baby

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Speaker 1: got back there. Speaking of the Christ. Yes, it wasn't

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00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: just Truman who nearly drowned doing a tempestuous storm at

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00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: the end of the movie. Jim Carrey very nearly died. Um.

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Speaker 1: He went into great detail about it during an interview

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Speaker 1: with Anity Fair for the film's twentie anniversary, and he said,

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Speaker 1: I was wearing wool clothing, a big wool sweater, wool

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00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: pants and shoes, and they had jet engines blowing on me,

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: and they had these giant wave machines that were creating

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: gale force waves. And I guess they had divers stationed

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00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: around in case he was ever in trouble. But when

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Speaker 1: he made the agreed upon sign of I'm in trouble,

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: which was a clenched fist, they assumed he was just acting,

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00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: to which I say, maybe get a better sign than

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Speaker 1: a clenched fist when you're trying to hold onto a

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00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: boat that's being tossed around like a cork on a

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Speaker 1: high seat. Um okay, anyway, Stunt stunt coordination things are

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00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: just baffling to me. They're like in scenes where people

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00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: are being strangled and like horror movies, they're like, oh,

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00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: just tap three times on me and that will be

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: my signal to stop choking you. And it's like, what

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00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: do you think people are cutting? When people are being

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Speaker 1: preventing from being strangled, they try and batter the person

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00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: who's doing the strangling, Like I think it would come

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Speaker 1: up with a better whatever Hollywood more like a Holly

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Speaker 1: weird Am I right, Well, you mentioned what Jim Carrey.

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey getting angry on set because he was worried

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01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: about people's lives being in danger. Maybe it was this

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: because he talked a lot about it, and he has

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01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: more to say about it, and he still sounds pissed.

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01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: He said, I went under. I had no breath left,

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01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: and I was drowning. I was under the water, at

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01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: the bottom of the pool, and with the last breath,

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01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: with the last hint of consciousness, I just spun and

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: made a couple of gigantic strokes towards the back of

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Speaker 1: the storm and came up outside the storm, gasping for

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01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: air and exhausted. I almost died. That was the real deal, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: and from Jim Carrey almost drowning at the end of

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Speaker 1: the movie. This brings us too Titanic. Uh. The arc

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Speaker 1: of the universe bends towards the arc of your universe bends, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but here I don't know it is connected. Uh. Paramount

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Speaker 1: had originally scheduled The Truman Show for release in November,

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01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: but they held it back into the following summer, both

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01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: to allow for more time in post production because it

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01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: seems like the kind of movie that would need it

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: with all the weird lighting on Sea Haven, but also

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01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't get eclipsed by Titanic at the Oscars,

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01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: which is interesting because Titanic itself had been pushed back

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Speaker 1: from the summer of December so that it wouldn't compete

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01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: with the Harrison Ford movie Large Plane. Did every single

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01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: movie is every single movie in the mid to late

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01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: nineties impacted by Titanic somehow? I guess it would the

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Speaker 1: biggest grossing movie at all time at that point. But

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Speaker 1: when producer Scott Reuten showed the Paramount CEO Cheryl Lansing

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Speaker 1: a rough cut of The Truman Show, he advised her

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Speaker 1: to have an ambulance waiting outside the screening room in

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Speaker 1: case she had a heart attack because over the fact

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Speaker 1: that they had blown the sixty million dollar budget on

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Speaker 1: what was basically an art film, and I guess the

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Speaker 1: first cut was not great. Lansing said she was not impressed.

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Speaker 1: She's quoted as saying it's not unusual to have a

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Speaker 1: bad first cut of a film. It wasn't usual to

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Speaker 1: have that bad of a first cut. But despite that,

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Speaker 1: bad rough cut. The Truman Show impressed audiences all over

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01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: the world was released on June. People love the innovative concept,

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: but Jim Carrey's performance also earned rave reviews from even

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01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: the toughest critics. Yes, I'm talking about the thumb tyrants themselves,

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01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: Cisco and Eiber. When they reviewed The Truman Show on

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Speaker 1: their show at the Movies, they not only gave the

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Speaker 1: film two thumbs up, but they also gave an on

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01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: air apology to Jim Carey for saying that he would

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Speaker 1: never have a career after they trashed ace Ventura Pet Detective,

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Speaker 1: the movie that got him the gig on The Truman Show. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, so this movie comes out and actually

1139
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: picks a lot of awards, uh nominations, doesn't win Best Director,

1140
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Speaker 1: Best Supporting Actor, Best Screenplay all at the Academy Awards,

1141
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: didn't win any of those. Did pick up Best Actors

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Speaker 1: for Jim Carrey and Ed Harris at the Golden Globes,

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01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: along with Best Original Score for My Boy Philip Glass.

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Speaker 1: Congratulation to him on that. Um. Let's take a look

1145
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: at the box office to sixty four worldwide, pretty good. Honestly,

1146
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that didn't merit. The Truman Show to Electric

1147
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: like sky Rod was like, boy, we gotta make some

1148
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: hand of this. You know. We mentioned this earlier at

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01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: the top of the episode. The Truman Show was released

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01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: right on the cusp of reality TV that was kick

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01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: started by stuff like Big Brother and Survivor, and I

1152
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: would argue, who Wants to Be a Millionaire? I think

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Speaker 1: that that kind of fell into the reality show umbrella

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01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: because people were just kind of watching the money and

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01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: watching people's lives be changed, or the hopes of people's

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01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: lives being changed by becoming a millionaire. I think it

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: was less about trivia. I think it was more about

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01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: watching people compete for this life changing thing. You know.

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01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: You know Jeopardy you win money, but you don't win

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Speaker 1: a life changing amount of money on in one episode,

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01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: but on this you could, so I would I have

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01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: a strong case we should do an episode on who

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Speaker 1: Wants to a Millionaire? I have a strong case that

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Speaker 1: that played a cruise a role in kick starting the

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01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: reality show craze that continues to this day. Um Anyway,

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01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: the Truman Show on some level obviously helped create a

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01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: market for this new type of television. It gave producers

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01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: a shorthand really um and perhaps the most extreme version

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: of reality TV following around the same time as The

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Speaker 1: Truman Show is a Japanese show called so Sunni DMPA

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01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: shown in and it actually premiered a few months before

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Speaker 1: The Truman Show was released, so it wasn't one influenced

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Speaker 1: by it, but it had seasons that went afterwards. Will

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Speaker 1: say it was influenced by it because the story is

1175
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: too good, UM, and I just really wanted to share it.

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01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: A man won a lottery to receive a show biz

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Speaker 1: related job that's in quotes. This show biz related job

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01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: required him to live in an apartment for a year

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Speaker 1: with absolutely nothing and that includes no clothes. Everything that

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Speaker 1: he had he was required to win from mail in

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01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: sweepstakes contests, and the object was for him to earn

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Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars or a million yen in sweepstakes winnings,

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Speaker 1: which he did after three hundred and thirty five days.

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01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: Almost the full year he lived in front of the camera,

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Speaker 1: and the only possessions that he had he won via sweepstakes.

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01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: The only other thing that he had were stacks of

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01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: postcards and magazines required for entering these sweepstakes. He wasn't

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: given food. He survived on water, and he lost a

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Speaker 1: great deal of weight at first. Eventually he won sodas,

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Speaker 1: a bag of rice, and some dog food from sweepstakes,

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Speaker 1: and at what point he won a stuffed animal which

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Speaker 1: he began to speak to and referred to as his sense,

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Speaker 1: a kind of like Wilson in Castaway. The only clothes

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Speaker 1: he ever won were women's underwear, which were too small

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Speaker 1: for him to wear, so he remained naked, and due

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Speaker 1: to his nudity, there was an eggplant cartoon graphic that

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Speaker 1: covered his genitals whenever he was on camera, earning him

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Speaker 1: the nickname nasubi, which is the Japanese word for egg plant.

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Speaker 1: He won other prizes that he was unable to use,

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Speaker 1: things like movie tickets and a bicycle, which would have

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Speaker 1: required him to exit his apartment, and he was not

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Speaker 1: allowed to do that. When he was a television set,

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01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: it was useless because there was no cable or no

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Speaker 1: antenna hook up in his apartment. Why was there no

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01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: cable or no antenna hook up in this apartment? This

1206
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: is where it starts to get really messed up. This starts, okay,

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01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: this is where it goes into another level. This man

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01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: believed that he was being recorded and the show was

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Speaker 1: going to be broadcast later once the footage had been

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01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: gathered and cut together, and presumably he would have some

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Speaker 1: kind of say over what was used now is presented. No,

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01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to him, this experiment their words was being live

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01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: streamed the whole time, with footage compiled and re aired

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Speaker 1: at the end of each week, complete with frequent sound effects,

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01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: often added to highlight his sadness and frustration. So the

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01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: producers didn't give him cable because they didn't want him

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01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: to realize that he was already on air. And I

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01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: don't understand the legality around this, but it's just tremendous

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: and we're just getting started. Oh yes, this Kafka esque

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01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: old boy style nightmare just gets worse. This is directly

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Speaker 1: from the Wikipedia, because God knows how we'd improve on it. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Upon reaching his goal of earning ten dollars in the

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Speaker 1: sweep stakes, the man was clothed and blindfolded and taken

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Speaker 1: to a surprise location. He happily went along, believing he

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Speaker 1: was going to get a special prize for his year

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Speaker 1: of hard work. After they removed his blindfold, he found

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Speaker 1: himself in South Korea, where he was shown around town

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Speaker 1: and then taken to another apartment. He was once again

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Speaker 1: asked to take off his clothes and challenged to enter sweepstakes,

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Speaker 1: this time to win enough money to afford a flight home. Ah,

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01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: it gets worse. It gets worse when he quickly met

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01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: this goal all after several weeks, it was subsequently revised.

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Speaker 1: They moved the goalposts on him so that he now

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Speaker 1: had to afford a ticket in first class. When he won,

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01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: he was blindfolded again and taken to another apartment, where

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01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: he looked around side and took all of his clothes off,

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,919
Speaker 1: at which point the walls of the apartment fell away

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: to reveal he was in a TV studio naked naked

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01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: live studio broadcast. He was confused by this because he

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01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: didn't know it hadn't been broadcast yet. This took He

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01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,839
Speaker 1: didn't know it had been broadcast. It took fifteen months

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01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: of this man's life. His diaries on the experience became

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01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: a bestseller in Japan. The TV show broke all records,

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01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: seventeen million viewers every Sunday. He was traumatized by he

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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: he said, he became uncomfortable and clothing for months afterwards,

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01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: for the first six months he had difficulty carrying on

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01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: conversations after it. And but and he was unable to

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01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: capitalize on this. I don't think he had much of

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01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: a career afterwards. Trying to break in Remember, he was

1250
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: trying to break into Hollywood was the whole goal of

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01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: this nightmare. Um. And he tried to capitalize on this

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01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: during the early days of the COVID nineteen lockdown. But

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01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: he tried to pitch people like, hey, look what I

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01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: went through, you can do it too. I didn't read

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01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: all of that before I read it. How is that legal?

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. Alright, folks speaking of mental illness, Yes, Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Truman Show's legacy lives on not only on traumatizing

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01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: television shows, but also in the mental health community. According

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01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: to a two thousand eight New York Times article, psychologists

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01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: and both America and the UK have recognized a delusion developing,

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: particularly in schizophrenic patients, which they've called the Truman syndrome

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01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,839
Speaker 1: or Truman Show syndrome. Uh. And this is where patients

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 1: believe their lives are reality shows. And reportedly, many patients

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01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: specifically mentioned the film in therapy, almost as if his

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: existence justified their beliefs. One patient climbed the Statue of Liberty,

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01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 1: believing that his high school girlfriend would be at the top,

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01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 1: which would be the key to him being able to

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Speaker 1: leave the show world. Uh yeah. The story of one

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Speaker 1: of those suffering was documented in a two thousand thirteen

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Speaker 1: article in The New Yorker by Andrew Morants under the

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Speaker 1: somewhat glib title Unreality Star. And in the piece, there's

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Speaker 1: an Ohio college student and he's described as disassembling thermostats

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Speaker 1: around his parents house, looking for cameras, and even taking

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Speaker 1: classes designed to make him a better performer. Um. Thankfully,

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Speaker 1: the man was able to learn more about his condition

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Speaker 1: and get treatment, and apparently he's doing much better now.

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Speaker 1: This might be the darkest episode that we have done.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's all fun and games when you talk

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Speaker 1: about the influences and everything, but the second this crosses

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Speaker 1: into the real world. Could God, I can't believe you.

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Speaker 1: They in like retrospect. It's kind of horrifying that this

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Speaker 1: movie came out and validated all of these people, like

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Speaker 1: a scanner Darkly or something. Do you remember that movie?

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Speaker 1: To me? Yeah, I think that's also Philip. That's also

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Speaker 1: Philip k. Dick. Actually, now that we mentioned it, and

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Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, man, can you imagine having like

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Speaker 1: a nascent mental illness and seeing a big Hollywood blockbuster

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Speaker 1: that validates it. Sorry, outside of the Truman Show's legacy

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Speaker 1: is that it has given us a tremendous nightmare world

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Speaker 1: from which we would never escape, a cough gask hell

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Speaker 1: hole in which everyone must always be closing, always be contenting,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, everyone's start of their own horrible

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Speaker 1: little up show. God, this is depressing. Sorry, folks, come

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Speaker 1: back next time for more Disney hits of the nineties,

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Speaker 1: um and fun stuff. Yeah, I mean, the Truman Show

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Speaker 1: basically gave us a shorthand for the always on culture

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Speaker 1: where we don't know if we're living for ourselves or

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Speaker 1: living for an audience on social media or in some

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Speaker 1: cases actual cameras. Given the plethora of reality TV shows

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Speaker 1: out there, in alone on just cable, not counting streaming,

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Speaker 1: there were seven hundred and fifty different unscripted series, so

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Speaker 1: presumably that number as balloons, especially with streaming. UM. So

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Speaker 1: this is not an especially new observation. But in many ways,

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Speaker 1: we're all Truman, but also we're all in on it.

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Speaker 1: And screenwriter Andrew Nichol, who kicked all this off, later observed,

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Speaker 1: I have a very hazy crystal ball. I certainly didn't

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Speaker 1: foresee the onslaught of so called reality television. I doubt

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Speaker 1: the film had much to do with it. If it did,

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Speaker 1: I apologize. And Laura Lenny, who played Truman's wife, or

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Speaker 1: the actors playing Truman's wife, I'm not gonna get into

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Speaker 1: all that again. She's remarked on The Truman Show. She said,

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Speaker 1: The Truman Show is a very foreboding, dark movie, and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately our world has gone even way beyond that. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey doesn't see it that way. He says that

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Speaker 1: he sees The Truman Show as a hopeful movie. He said,

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Speaker 1: everybody at some point gets to the point where they

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Speaker 1: have to separate themselves from what people want for them

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Speaker 1: and what they want for themselves. And in order to

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Speaker 1: do that, you have to go into unknown territory. You

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Speaker 1: have to take a risk of losing everything. And you

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Speaker 1: mentioned this earlier about the potential of doing a sequel

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Speaker 1: for The Truman Show. Jim Carey was asking about that

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Speaker 1: during press for Sonic the Hedgehog. It's two ends of

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Speaker 1: his personality there um and his answer about this and

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Speaker 1: sort of about Truman's fate once he left the Dome

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Speaker 1: world was really interesting. I thought, he said, I think

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Speaker 1: Truman Show is something that exists on a micro level.

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Speaker 1: Now he says this in an interview with Collider. It

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Speaker 1: was kind of a story about that on a macro level.

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Speaker 1: But now everybody has a subscriber channel, everybody has their

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Speaker 1: own little Truman Show world. There's something to be had there.

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Speaker 1: Often asked about what I think would have happened to

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Speaker 1: Truman when he goes outside the wall. It took me

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Speaker 1: a while to realize that basically he was alone out

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Speaker 1: there too, because everybody went back inside. They all wanted

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Speaker 1: to be inside the dome. What do you think, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Should we crack up in a couple of pens pavel

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Speaker 1: beers and contemplate the meaning of our own fundamentally meaningless existence.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, folks, This has been too much information.

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Speaker 1: I'm our cycle and I'm Jordan runtalg We'll catch you

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Speaker 1: next time for hopefully a brighter episode, See you under

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Speaker 1: the Dome. Too Much Information was a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. The show's executive producers are Noeld Brown and

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Speaker 1: Jordan run Talk. The supervising producer is Mike John's. The

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Speaker 1: show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan run Talk

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Speaker 1: and Alex Heigel, with original music by Seth Applebaumb and

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Speaker 1: the Ghost Funk Orchestra. If you like what you heard,

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