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Speaker 1: this gift. Lets without further ado, we have on Army

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Speaker 1: Money Podcast. Give it up to Stevie Nkin. First of all,

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Speaker 1: and um and just a little little history, UM, I

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Speaker 1: back to the beginning. And So when did you know

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Speaker 1: or when did somebody say you have a gift, you're special?

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Speaker 1: When did that happen for you? I remember being about

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Speaker 1: moments where there was a lull in the in the screen,

425
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: I would I would not panic, but I would just

426
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: like try to do something to get the scream and

427
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: get them to We've watched so many artists do that

428
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: and lose. There's no reason for the pelvic threast. You

429
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: don't have to Why did you hump the speaker? And

430
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to Jinuine because Jue One wanted

431
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: to was so used to the screams that we're singing.

432
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: She's out of my life and he's like too things

433
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: for two years and he goes she was he you

434
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: don't do that there, that's not where that goes. But

435
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: that's what she was shout out to my brother genuine

436
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: about two years ago. That's good. So so when there

437
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: was a lull in the in the crowd activity, it

438
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: would throw me off a little bit, and Jason came

439
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: to me, He's like, listen, bro, you don't have to

440
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: overdo it. In those moments they're listening to you. Shout

441
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: out to Bigeah there there. They're quiet because they want

442
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: to hear what you're doing. They want to connect with you.

443
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: Don't be scared of that silence. I was like, Wow,

444
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never I never knew that in church

445
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: thin screaming the show, you better do it like it's

446
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: always And that was a customed to and in the

447
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: beginning of my career took me a second to adjust

448
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: to the silence of people having a moment with you,

449
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and being able to set

450
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: an atmosphere. But you have to be a different type

451
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: of vocalists for that. You do. That isn't made for

452
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: everyone because that silence is deadly on the flip side.

453
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: But if you're not that type of vocalists, and that's

454
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: not what your performance is about. If you're not a

455
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: flat foot stand at the mic singer, it can get

456
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: tricky for you if you're more of a performance based

457
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: and you're jumping around or you it's your clothes or

458
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: whatever it is. It's the sparkles is the ship going

459
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: off the screens and nobody's saying anything. That's when the

460
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: sweb begins the cold. It's so quick side. I just

461
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: didn't know. But it takes years to learn what not

462
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: to sing, and I think with any good singer takes

463
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: years to learn what not to sing. And you find

464
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: peace in that silence and people are listening. You're like, Okay,

465
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: this is cool. How do I do this. I'm not

466
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: a performer like that. I ain't gonna dance for real.

467
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: I dance like Carlton Banks or something like. I'm just

468
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: gonna do that and give you a snazzy outfit or something.

469
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to perform like that. But I'm

470
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: gonna give your vocals. I'm gonna just make you sit

471
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: still and try to put you in a trance and

472
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: connect so deep you're just like, for sure, I want

473
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: to bring it almost a tear or something. I'm trying

474
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: to get to that point. That was my that was

475
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: my party trick. I've seen you do it. I've seen that.

476
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: I knew I could do that, so I was all right,

477
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: that's my things. So I'd watched singers and I come

478
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: in at that moment and try to make an impact.

479
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: How did you get from the session background saying I mean,

480
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: you're you're living the dream, You're you're making money doing

481
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: exactly what you want to do, to being now the

482
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: premier vocal coach. Two people who can really sing like

483
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: you're like like like like for example, Joe, Joe, Yeah,

484
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: who can sing. But we'll sit at the piano with

485
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: you and you'll make adjustments all these things. How did

486
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: you get how did you transition from there to there

487
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: or to hear? I mean, just in short, my mom's

488
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: a school teacher. I come from a lot of school

489
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: teachers and pastors. Mom's school teacher. My dad has been

490
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: a physical therapist for many years growing up. That's what

491
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: he did. I understood the muscles and how they could recover.

492
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: So I understood the muscles. Some of the first stuff

493
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: I knew muscles and how they recovered and teaching. So

494
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: little do we know. We take a lot from our

495
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: parents and the people around were little without trying to

496
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: a knowing it, I was that was an automatic thing

497
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: for me. I knew how to teach and break things

498
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: down because I learned how everything worked. I love history.

499
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: I love learning how everything works. I knew if I

500
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: could get someone to listen a certain way and become

501
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: a character, they could their voice would change. So I

502
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: taught people how to be characters. And I love that.

503
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: So I was asked around, you know, after singing background

504
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: for some years, I was I was being asked to

505
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: put to help groups harmonize and Dannity Kane at that

506
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: time was a group and I was asked to work

507
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: with them, and then it was it was another group,

508
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: another group, and you know groups. There was just a

509
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: lot of different guys and girls groups and I knew

510
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: that like the back of my hand, harmony. So I

511
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: would have them become different characters. And then singers would

512
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: ask me to help prolonged their voice, and I knew

513
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: how that would take place too. And I minored in

514
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: vocal performance and opera in school, and I'm majored in

515
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: graphic design at Oakwood University. So I had a lot

516
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: of experienced singing opera, but I didn't want to sing it.

517
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait this this this oak

518
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: Wood place. Oh, it's magical because that's where went oh wow,

519
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: yeah and Brian McKnight and Little Richard and take six okay,

520
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: and I think Prince like it's like that weird it's

521
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: a it's a little gym and this this is an

522
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: Alabama hunts Kill Alabama singer and you go there today,

523
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Like singing is like basketball. It's like a sport. There's

524
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: so many choirs and singers and everybody's just it's we're

525
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: like running like if you were if you can run,

526
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: it takes off at Oakwood. Oakwood loves or run. It's

527
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: like you too. So it's like it's like how you

528
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: know those us when we have a thing as people

529
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be Oh it's a sing off. It's

530
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: like you buy a ticket to go into the auditions

531
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: of the single. It's like that for real. So you're

532
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna do it or you're not. So I

533
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't know I was singing. I was I wasn't perfect

534
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: pitch or nothing. When I started Oakwood. I was just

535
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: trying and I was fearless, and I would saying I

536
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: was saying, so Oka got got a lot of gave

537
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: me a whole lot of you know push and so

538
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: this place is incredible. They have the best choir, the

539
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: Aolians dynamic praise like these choirs are incredible. So coming

540
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: out of Oakwood, I still didn't have you know, you're

541
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: trying to make it work. And and I knew that

542
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: if I could teach people how to sing, I could

543
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: last a long time in this industry without having to

544
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: compromise anything. I believe, not trying to be you know

545
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: this or that, just I could make everyone happy, including myself.

546
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I could teach people how to sing and last forever

547
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: because the people behind the scenes lasted the longest time

548
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: in this business. I knew that because I would see

549
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: people rise and fall. So it's like if I become

550
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: a coach, i'd be young. But if I, if I

551
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: do it differently, I can make it work. So I

552
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: started throwing little parties at my house. And I would

553
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: throw parties on Tuesdays with tacos and I little skill

554
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: it and I would make tacos and my as a recital.

555
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: Because recitals were boring. I didn't want that. I wanted

556
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: to have a party, So we'd have taco Tuesdays at

557
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: my house where all my voice students would sing and

558
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: we come together and just make some tacos and sing together.

559
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: And then at the same time, you have Instagram, and

560
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: I have to get a lot of credit to social media.

561
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: At that time, Instagram uh debuting video formats, so a

562
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: ten second video or fifteen second video was a new thing,

563
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: and you can show videos of what was happening there.

564
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: So videos took off from that to show people how

565
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: I talked, and I would stop people in the middle performance,

566
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: say do it like this, and I'd go back and

567
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: forth with them and strengthen them in front of everyone,

568
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: to make teaching less scary, to make it more of

569
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: a group thing. We all sat around and learned together.

570
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: We harmonized together, and we're supportive together. So I go

571
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: back and forth and all right, do it again, let's

572
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: start over, let's get it right. And so it just

573
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: kind of like set a different tone for what a

574
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: recital was or a voice lesson and the session was um.

575
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: Then it always did it at my house, so I

576
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: would invite people over, and then it was those those

577
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: tacos to taco Tuesdays are very famous. It's a life

578
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: that's out now, it's been some You've had some power houses.

579
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: It has come through Taco Tuesdays every Wilson. Yeah, so

580
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: the best singers in the world. Goodness, I mean, yeah,

581
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: that's insane. That's insane y'all singing together. It was insane.

582
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: That just it's not fair. I told Abe, I was

583
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: kind of He was like, I can't wait, I can't wait.

584
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: You know, this is like but this, this has never

585
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: talked about, like what you're doing right now. I have

586
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: to just give it up for you, guys. This is

587
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: behind the scenes talking. I never thought i'd be talking

588
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: about this with you. This is amazing. But I think

589
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: people are interested in hearing about the behind the scene

590
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: to what we do because it's it's it's the foundational

591
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: things that are missing, right because there is no more

592
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: an R ring. There is no more there's very little

593
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: to none artists development and so not less as people

594
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: want to be R and B singers, right, we have

595
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: to get back to the basics of learning, just learning

596
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: how to sing. And R and B needs to be polished. Yes,

597
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: R and B is a is a genre of music

598
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: that needs to be polished. It can't just be thrown

599
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: out there. And I think to us too to a

600
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: certain degree. At times it has been just thrown out

601
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: there because of economics. When rap came along, rap, really

602
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: you could do it for the low best the best

603
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: term that I can come away. You can do rap

604
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: for the low. You can do it in your basement,

605
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: you can do it at the park. You can like

606
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: R and B rehearsal vocal coaches the outfit, you know

607
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I tell I tell people all

608
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: the time, Like in my opinion, Jay Z was the

609
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: first normal superstar, meaning he could wear exactly what he

610
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: wore to the interview, to the stage and then to

611
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: the party. And it may not even be an outfit

612
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: change at any point, maybe he changes from a blue

613
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: Yankee to But but he was so gifted and he's

614
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: so talented at what he does. Um, he still became

615
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: a superstar. But he didn't. He didn't he there was

616
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: no character. And R and B is always like, think

617
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: of the names that we started this podcast off with today.

618
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: These were all characters. These were all characters that they built.

619
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, Rick James wasn't the same guy in the beginning.

620
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: When he first got out the arm he had to

621
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: find that Prince wasn't the same guy in the beginning.

622
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: You go back and see where he was. All of

623
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: these you know, staple superstar artists, especially from R and B.

624
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Since all had a character, they all you know, and

625
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: that and that's what are That's why R and B.

626
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: And that came from the jazz days when they would

627
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: nickname themselves. They all had nicknames, you know, they had

628
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: They didn't choose their regular they got to choose their name.

629
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: And that started in the early jazz days. Um, you know,

630
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: some of the earliest jazz jazz legends made up their

631
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: own names. They have nicknames, and that's from that's a

632
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: lot of black history. We just oh, that's a money

633
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: making running right there. And they'd call each other different things,

634
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: and that that has led into what we do now

635
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: with you know, John Legend. Though we can you know

636
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars like, this is the thing that we can.

637
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: We can name ourselves whatever, whatever we can be, whatever

638
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: we recreate ourselves and that helps us get a stage,

639
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: give a stage presence in a personal life. It helps

640
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: delineate that I think, and like when you think about

641
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: R and B itself, like think Jerry Wexler was a

642
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: person I think who coined the term R and B um.

643
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: Then he worked with a wreath. I think he discovered

644
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: a wreath of Franklin in that sense, as much as

645
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: you can discover her. But he It was called race

646
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: music before that, and it was colored music, race music,

647
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: and then that word was getting kind of old, and

648
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: it's called rhythm and blues R and B. That changed things,

649
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: and it has split. It's like a tree that's split

650
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: into different ways, with neo soul and new sold all

651
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: kinds of ways. But the roots of R and B,

652
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: like you said, are the same. These are the rules.

653
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: You've gotta be able to perform, you gotta be able

654
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: to sing, you gotta have a character, right, you got

655
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: to have a character. You gotta So it's more expensive,

656
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: it's more expensive, and and then they just kind of

657
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: watered some of it down by adding all the derivatives,

658
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: by adding it's, oh it's neo soul. Oh it's trapped.

659
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, it's not really are And then

660
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: when the artists fall into that, that's the part that

661
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: hurt me. I don't give a fuck what the outsiders

662
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: name it, what the people you know, they put on it.

663
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: When the artists started buying into that though, and being like,

664
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm not an R and B artist, Yeah, yes you are.

665
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: They don't know me, but you know what it was.

666
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't even that they didn't know. I just think

667
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: they didn't want to be put into a box, which

668
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: I respect. I respect that because they you know, you see,

669
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: why do you think that is? Because you see your

670
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: your money shorter, your money shorter when they put you

671
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: in a box. You know what I mean? Like you

672
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: know it's it's that's why. That's why you know. I've

673
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: had the conversation with people when when people mentioned, well,

674
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson called itself the king of pop. He did

675
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: that for a reason. He did that to ship on them.

676
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: That wasn't no I think I'm this No no, no, no, no,

677
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: I am the most popular motherfucker on the planet. So

678
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I am the king of pop, not the king of

679
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: white music, are dance music or no, no, no, I'm

680
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: still R and B. But I'm the king of any

681
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: filler that I have the most popular person population with

682
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: the population. But it got it became this thing within

683
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: our culture and when it within music that it was

684
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: like if you were an R and B artist, uh,

685
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, the the executive shall remained nameless, but he

686
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: called our ship bathtub music, called our bathtub music, and

687
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: this is a very powerful motherfucker. But they were trying

688
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: to put things on it so that it wouldn't seem

689
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: as big as it truly is. Because everything it's R

690
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: and B m hm. And that's a big reason why

691
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: we have this podcast and a big reason why we

692
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: have artists and executives and athletes and whoever the funk

693
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: we choose to have on here, because R and B

694
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: touches everybody in one way or another. Rap right now

695
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: is very melodic, yep, in our business. You know what

696
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying is they want to sing. Everybody wants. Everybody

697
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: wants to say everything. And that's what it comes down

698
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: to say that all the time. Everybody wants to sing,

699
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: from the President to everybody, everybody would love to sing. Yes, Andy,

700
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not to believe that everybody should be singing

701
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: everybody everybody, because I can say I'm glad you mentioned that,

702
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: because as the amazing vocal coach that you are, I

703
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna get this question. Go can you

704
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: help my sisters? They're they're gonna fight me. My sisters

705
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: can't sing. They can't sing um and and they think

706
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: I can. And I'll actually pay for the lesson with her,

707
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: and you're gonna jump. These are my two sisters and

708
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: very successful in their careers because this music. She just

709
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: still want to sing a little bit. You know what.

710
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: At every at every event, they're kicking off the happy

711
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: birthday loud and two different. But you I hate a

712
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: bad happy birthday. And I just can't wait to tell me, y'all,

713
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: y'all was off. Man got to stop. But we you know,

714
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: we think we have a special gift, is black people

715
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: especially saying we think we have we have say so

716
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: in singing, you know, because we've been through a lot

717
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 1: to sound this's good. That's what. It's what. It's the truth.

718
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: We have been through a lot. When everything's taken away

719
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: from you, what do you have left? You have? So

720
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: can you get with you? So can you get blood

721
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: out of the turn up? You know? Let's do this,

722
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Let's do this, Let's do this. Let's be very I

723
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: want to be very specific. You want no, not yes,

724
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: yes in a sense, but on a bad way, none

725
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: of that way. I just I just want to talk

726
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: process right because of what you do right and and

727
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: and and j Lo when she came on this right

728
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: right right not not not revered as the greatest singer. Right,

729
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: you don't understand, I'm saying, very much a performance driven artist.

730
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: You got her to a place to where her vocal

731
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: matter was that process, Um, just so they can understand

732
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: how you went from yeah, you gotta you gotta make

733
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: a song meet you, and you gotta meet a song.

734
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: There's just those two sides. A song has to be

735
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: adjusted to you. You have to adjust to the song

736
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: specifically give me. Yeah. So a lot of her early

737
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: songs that she's known for, we're not really in her key.

738
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: They're not in her key. So she they were right.

739
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: They were great records and she knows it his song

740
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: and so she's like, I need that song. So she

741
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: had to sing it like like that and that, and

742
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: she she didn't realize at the time, you can how

743
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: to really make the song yours. And so by the

744
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: time I met her, she says, baby, I want to

745
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: focus on my voice. I want to focus on singing.

746
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: And the amount of respect I have for her at

747
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: that moment, I was it just went through the roof.

748
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I got you, I understand, and she's

749
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: willing to put in the work because her early music,

750
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: as catchy as it is, it doesn't it just didn't

751
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: make her voice shine like it should have. Because she's

752
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 1: a singer. I will tell you right now, she's a singer,

753
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: and she's a very musical person. She knows notes and

754
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: she knows key. She knows if the chord is wrong.

755
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: She's she's that involved in her music. And so that

756
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: process was really saying, Okay, where is the where is

757
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: the golden part of her voice, the part that just

758
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: literally sounds good? Where is that? And so you I

759
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: find that point. And she's already a storyteller. She's already interesting.

760
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: I don't have to teach that. You can't teach that.

761
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: I could teach you how to be you know, fixed

762
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: notes and stuff, but I can't teach you how to

763
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: be interesting. So she had all those other elements, but

764
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: the singing part. What part of your voice sounds good?

765
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: When do you need to go to falsett up? When

766
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: do you need to pull back? When do you need

767
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: to change the shape of your mouth to get a

768
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: different tone? Uh? And use air so you get a

769
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: balance of some air and some tone. You know how

770
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: to use the things we can do with our voice,

771
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: with your volume, pitch, vibrato, and air. There's four things

772
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: you can essentially do as a singer. So those things

773
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: we have to with those, we have to create a masterpiece.

774
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: How are we going to create this masterpiece with those elements?

775
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: So I'm shaping the voice like a designer in that

776
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: sense and saying that sounded good. Let's do more of that.

777
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: That didn't sound good, don't try to do that too much.

778
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: This was great right here? What did you do? Just now?

779
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: What did you do? Let's do it again? So you

780
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: rehearse and re hear and make habits of the good things.

781
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: Muscle memory, just training, the right things. And so for

782
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: someone who works hard, it could work for you. And

783
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: she's a she's probably the hardest, working, hardest, working hard.

784
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: She'll work, She'll be rehearsal after everybody. Let's go one

785
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: more time, baby, I'm like, yeah, yeah, So you can't

786
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: help China on change? He cannot you know who they're

787
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: gonnahop your ass too? Oh see, kick his ass too.

788
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm going down to the ship. We together. One question

789
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: I've always asked you, Um, you know what before we

790
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: get there, Before we get there, I want to tell

791
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: the Maxwell story. Mm hmm. As we're singing as we

792
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: as we're at the j Low party. Yeah, I wasn't

793
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: at the jew party. Yeah yeah, I wasn't. Engratulations on

794
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: your your your new nuptials. Congratulations. So so we're at

795
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: j Low's perfect and you're one of my favorite voices.

796
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: She tells me that you're gonna be there, and I'm

797
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: tripping out. I'm tripping out because I knew you were

798
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: coming in Maxwell's kind So I didn't know Maxwell was coming.

799
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: You told me, No, he told you. Ye, Benny told

800
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: me that Maxwell was coming to sing Happy Birthday. And

801
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: I said, what the Maxwell? Maxwell? Maxwell? Yeah, I said,

802
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, don't you do this? Um,

803
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: So it gets on my nerves. So Maxwell walks in

804
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I've never met Maxwell in person. I've

805
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: never That was the first time, mean Max, that was

806
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: my first time meeting Maxwell. I mean, I'm going for

807
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: the story two of my influences. So I'm sitting I'm

808
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: sitting there and Maxwell is singing Happy Birthday, and I'm

809
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: filming it and I don't really totally know how to

810
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: work my social media's and as I'm feeling it as

811
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm filming it. It's done filming, and then it starts

812
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: replaying real out and Jay looks me. I'm like that

813
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: they tell you to lock your phone, my phone in place.

814
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: So this guy, it's like losing my mind. I'm losing

815
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: my mind on the floor, just falling out, relaxing on

816
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: his shoulders. Just relax. You're gonna be fine. Max, I'm

817
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: gonna you gotta, I don't know how crazy right. So

818
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: the birthday, you know, the song is over, the moment

819
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: is over, and so I'm not sure where Stevie was,

820
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: but I'm walking over. I just I just want to,

821
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, just shake Maxwell's hand. Man. I just want

822
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: to having a family. And I walked with the Maxwell

823
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: and he was like, I love your music. And I'm like,

824
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: don't do this, yea, not here, not crying. This is

825
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 1: he's like the consulating your vocals the way you're talking.

826
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: And I'm saying the same thing, man, like but you

827
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: but you man, yeam, so listen to listen. Just my

828
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: first time meeting Maxwell. So as I'm walking away from

829
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: having this moment with Maxwell, Stevie comes up and he said,

830
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: you have to introduce you to Maxwell. I said, oh, Okay,

831
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: come on, let's go, I said, I said, Maxwell, this

832
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: is Stevie, one of the coldest vocalists I've ever heard.

833
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: Stevie just says, can I give you a hug? He was,

834
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: he was listen, can we That was your first time?

835
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: That was the first I would listen to Maxwell, my

836
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: second genesis. I played out over every night. I would

837
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: play that out. But it's just whenever, wherever I would listen,

838
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. It was just like he had

839
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: a high voice like mine. He was just dreamy falsetto.

840
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, so I never thought I'd need him.

841
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: So here's the bar. Okay, that was the moment, right

842
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: they met. I mean, great moment. J Low is like,

843
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: let's sing. Let's kick it off board out, let's go there.

844
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: So you know, everybody's doing their singing thing, right. Stevie

845
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: looks at me. It's like he comes over. It's like,

846
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: do you do you think it's cool if I do

847
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: a Maxwell song? And I said, absolutely, go crazy. He

848
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: didn't realize you as a full hype man battery and

849
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: listen water not that far off bridge. He started singing.

850
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: Stevie got on that piano and started singing this woman's work,

851
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: and it was so intense, it was so crazy. Then

852
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: Maxwell had to start singing with him, and it is Stevie,

853
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: Mackie and Maxwell singing this woman's work together where all

854
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: it is? And you didn't know how to work your

855
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: goddamn camera at that time. I couldn't even get to

856
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: my I couldn't even get to my camera. But I

857
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: don't even know if anybody has this on tape. Everybody

858
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: in the room was just like, I have it, you

859
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: have it. I have it. It's stored in my phone

860
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: under favorites. I have it. He was giving Maxwell everything

861
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: he needs by all and Maxwell said, I will not

862
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: stand for this. I'm gonna give you something back, and

863
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm ready for someone to sing it back at me.

864
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: And I thought that that was just I thought that

865
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: that was an amazing moment and it was a testament

866
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: to how amazing you are. Excuse me, which leads me

867
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: into my next question where I've always every time I

868
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: see you, I pulled you to the side and say,

869
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: why are you going to put out a record? Or

870
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: why won't you put out a record? You have to

871
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: answer that right here on the R and B Money Podcasts.

872
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: We need to know were the gifted with the talented

873
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: need to know is there a reason? Is there because

874
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: I pay attention to ship? He said it earlier about

875
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: not being in the front of it. He said that

876
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: really early, you discovered that for yourself, really early, that

877
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: that wasn't what you wanted then, and you were just like,

878
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: since there's no pressure, I can stay back here. Yeah,

879
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: I kind of you know, I I can. I can

880
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: have a good time doing what I'm doing. I don't

881
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: have to be the guy they're waking up at six

882
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: am to do radio, right, I mean, you're exactly right.

883
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: There's I never felt like I was ready until now

884
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: to actually put out my own music. I released a

885
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Christmas album and I loved it, and that actually opened

886
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: the door for me to actually say I want to

887
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: do more. But it's tricky though, like what what do

888
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: I want to do with that? I do I want

889
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: it to just live? And do I want to go

890
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: on a tour? Do I want to where do I

891
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: want to sing? What do I really want to do?

892
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: And with this? So I have to think who am

893
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: I singing too? And in my head I like themes,

894
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: I like things like Christmas. I would do a Disney

895
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: R and B album of just me singing my favorite

896
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: Disney songs that I love so much at the piano.

897
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: Then I do I would do? Would I would do

898
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: a soul Disney album Somebody Get by? Oh? I would

899
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: also do album of Negro spirituals that I love things

900
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: but nobody but no one does Negro spirits. I know

901
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: everybody like, what's the funny? Why is this so funny?

902
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: It's not funny like I like because I'm a cartoon.

903
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: I like, I like things I like. But you are

904
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: we are we getting to the space to where you're

905
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: just why. The hardest part is to say, if if

906
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: I had to do one project, what would be on it.

907
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: That's the toughest question in my life if I had

908
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: to do one because in my mind I want to

909
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: do different ones, be a lot of different things. Put

910
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: them all out. They can live wherever they were want

911
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: to live. But it's hard for me to say if

912
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: I had to do one project, what would be on that.

913
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: It's tough. It is tough, but just the process you

914
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: just haven't it would be all over the place, It'd

915
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: be all over the place. Why couldn't it be? I

916
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: think now it can The timing is perfect to do

917
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: broadway you want to do. Now you may not. And

918
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: this is this is, this is the reality into all

919
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: of this ship. You may not get the results that

920
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: you want if there are certain results that you want

921
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: by doing that and by maybe it not being as

922
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: cohesive in you know, one project and top to bottom

923
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: and it this is what it is. And instead of

924
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: it just being like ensemble and I just want to

925
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: do everything and I'm just gonna give y'all all of

926
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: my gift, that ship might actually click right, Like we're

927
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: in a different business now they've ever been in to

928
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: where you can do whatever you want. There's nothing in

929
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: front of that. And I completely understand where you come

930
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: from because I am also someone who people bother about

931
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: making an album because I've just I've kind of always

932
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: done what i want, even in the even when the

933
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: industry that wasn't promoted to do what you want. It

934
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: was like no, no, no, you the new usher. I'm

935
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: not means two different people. Are you the new such

936
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: and such? Are you? You know what I mean? Like

937
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna do this type of music or

938
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like funk if I am, I'll let you, nigga,

939
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm so, it's but the industry that

940
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: we're in now, UM shout out to the Bay Area.

941
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: I feel like we created the new music business by

942
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: making it accessible with the whole you know, with with

943
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: social media, with with you know, with streaming, with digital

944
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: that that come from the Bay Area. We changed with

945
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: the music business was about, and we pushed a lot

946
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: of the bullshit out, which is crazy because that's the

947
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: Bay Areas also where independent music has flourished for generations.

948
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: We go back to MC hammer and in Too Short

949
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: and E forty and RBL Posse and all these you know,

950
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: hip hop artists and even Tony Tony Tony and you

951
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like people that were that were

952
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: doing it. We had a thing out there called out

953
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: the Trunk, But now out the Trunk is digital. All

954
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: you gotta do is upload this ship. Now it's our

955
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: the Bear Room. It's no excuse. So someone like yourself,

956
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: with the gift that you have, there's no reason to

957
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: just do what you want. I'm gonna I'm gonna say

958
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: it right here first, I'm about to do this and

959
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: it's and it's going to be whatever it's gonna be.

960
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: All over the place. There's gonna be a song for

961
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: for this group, that group, that group, and in this

962
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: TikTok generation where people can consume whatever they want to consume,

963
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: go at it, go at it, and you're you're exactly right,

964
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: And so that it means a lot. And it backs

965
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: up what what I was like, kind of doubting and

966
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: but feeling at the same time. So it means a lot.

967
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go for it. Yeah,

968
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: that's the thing, especially when you have a gift. Yeah,

969
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: you have too much a gift for any of it

970
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: to be wrong because we've got too many of the

971
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: um the non talented, Yeah, just doing whatever they want

972
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: and putting out as much as they want. We need

973
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: the talented people to do the same thing to come

974
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: back that right, because it's free. Listen, it's it's free

975
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: for you to be able to do whatever you want.

976
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: All of us. Some of you Niguas ain't talented. Yeah,

977
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: it's not everybody. Come on, man, The age thing is changing.

978
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: There's not like an age to it anymore. This is

979
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: being young and pop and all that. It's just great content.

980
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: It's the music business is Peter Pan. It's the music business.

981
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: Like true, you go go to an old school rap concert,

982
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: they're going to be dressed exactly like that word was

983
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: the most popular dangerous. You know what I'm saying. But

984
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: it's it's Peter Pan. We can be who we want

985
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: to be in this business. You can be Mickey Mouse

986
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: for sure, For damn sure. I'm about to trademark. It's

987
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: going to be the interludes in the album. I'm a

988
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: trademark Nick Mouse and make That's the funniest thing I've heard.

989
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: So Nick Mouse and Nicky So Micky, So I am

990
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: selling tea shirts. What does Mickey sal do? Like? What

991
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: is he flirting with the bow? Are you looking good?

992
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, no, that was happening up in here. H

993
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: Mickey with cheese at Minie. Yeah, many cheese Hungary. Man,

994
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: those are gonna be lose. You said that gonna be

995
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: the Oh my gosh, I'm crazy. I can't believe I

996
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: was trying to keep it together today. Yeah, you are

997
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: a friends coming as coming. He just told us, he

998
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: just announced it on the Army Money podcast that the

999
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: project is coming. You will have nothing but love and

1000
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: support from you already know that from us period, point blank.

1001
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: U building man. We like to build things on this show,

1002
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: and we want you, from your personal opinion, to build

1003
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: a voltron the R and B singer. We want to

1004
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: know where you would get the vocals from, where you

1005
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: would get the styling from, or let me say who

1006
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: who you would get the vocals, who you would get

1007
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: the styling from, who you would get the performance from,

1008
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: and who you would get the emotion from. So let's

1009
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: start with the vocal. If you're building your your R

1010
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: and B voltron, who what one person would you grab

1011
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: the vocal from? You can say yourself too if you

1012
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: want to. I mean, man, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gay, Jesus, Chris,

1013
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm just missing one other elements like you and they're

1014
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: like that would be my third, Like I need someone

1015
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: who can so you see, that's where that's why I

1016
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: chose him, because what they did laid the groundwork for

1017
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: so many. I'm a piece of Marvin for sure. Yeah

1018
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: I feel that. All right, All who are you getting

1019
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: styling from? What do you want your artists to look like?

1020
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: Because I'm short and light skinned? About to say prince

1021
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: mm hmm, yeah, you know he's he's he cares about style.

1022
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: He's a stylist. You know, guys are always at the

1023
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: hair in place and all that. He was just always

1024
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yeah, yeah, you have explain like that. Yeah,

1025
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: like that um performance performance style. We already talked about

1026
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: James Brown. But I want to take it away from solo.

1027
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: But like when I think of R and B, like

1028
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: R and B performer, I don't want to be all

1029
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: like school, this is this gotta give it to like he.

1030
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the king is James Brown a performance. The

1031
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: king is James Brown. He had the elements that produced

1032
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: what became popular music and R and B. So he's

1033
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: going to perform like James. He's just gonna have every

1034
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: little foot studies going better. Dad, you know, have all

1035
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: the movies. Yeah yeah, yeah, band you know yeah yeah, Okay.

1036
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: Who you get the emotion? Baby Face? Who? Baby Face

1037
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: knows his gift and he knows how to pull emotion

1038
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: out more than I think any other R and B

1039
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: writer that has ever lived. He is an R and

1040
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: B writer, the architect of so much of what we

1041
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: know as R and B. I really give it a

1042
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: lot of credit to baby Face. He's gifted and he

1043
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: knows emotion. He knows silence, and he knows how to

1044
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: use his voice and to pull back. I love and

1045
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: appreciate baby Face a lot for that's a great. Um,

1046
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: he's a great less it's more kind of yes, yep,

1047
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: he's able to do small to this day, he'll he'll

1048
01:01:53,640 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: get up in that. Okay, we're not done. Top five

1049
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: R and B artists, no order. There's the nineties R

1050
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: and B that I grew up. I know, I know,

1051
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: I know. But there's there's like, okay, okay, just because okay, okay,

1052
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: there's the you Maxwell, Joe like D'Angelo like I have

1053
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: to give that that that important pivot in R and

1054
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: B A name just that's that's honorable mention for who

1055
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm about to name. You know what, But I gotta say,

1056
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: you Joe, aren't uh D'Angelo max um Um. There's more

1057
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: in there. I can't I can't think of it right now.

1058
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: Tevin Campbell, you know so. But but but the the

1059
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: O g s. We would not have this if it

1060
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: were not for Donny Hathaway, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gay Prince

1061
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: and I'll say, Michael, you gotta say it. You gotta

1062
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: say it. That's a very that's a contextual digest. Absolutely absolutely,

1063
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: that's where they had. They had a lot of kids.

1064
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Dad, But now I'm about

1065
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: to trip you up, all right, trip me up. I

1066
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: love mentioning any women. And we didn't say, Man, no,

1067
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't, you didn't, And don't catch me

1068
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: on this camera, don't catch me this because that's that's

1069
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: a whole different thing. Another five for that. Yeah, and

1070
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: you gotta pick your five. That's why five is five?

1071
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: Is your five? All? Here we go, we go, We're

1072
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: gonna continue it. Top five R and B songs, Rupe

1073
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: or solo, al Green stayed together. When I think of

1074
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: R and B, Let's get it on. Come on, Marvin

1075
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: take time. Yeah, yeah yeah. Stevie wonder um which one

1076
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: muld choose some Steve is like trying to pick your

1077
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: favorite child? Uh, superwoman? Where were you where I needed to?

1078
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: Right now? Marian wants to beausic that that's the song

1079
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: is just R and B. The chords and everything is

1080
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: just beautiful. Where were you I needed to? Uh? Ain't

1081
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: no mount high enough written by you know the late grades.

1082
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's like that's like, um, I would say

1083
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: Diana's version is beautiful. Marvin's R and B. But I

1084
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: would say what what Ashford and Simpson redid with Diana's

1085
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: version is just beautiful. It brings out the a high

1086
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: point in R and B music. That was just what

1087
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, the orchestra and the classiness of it, the

1088
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: elegance of it, um and sweet love. Anita Baker who

1089
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: wound co. Anita Baker is just She's She's R and B.

1090
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: She's She's on my top five. I don't care if

1091
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: I can't count Anita Baker's on the top five R

1092
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: and B singers. Baker is R and B. She's R

1093
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: and B. She's what I know as R and B music.

1094
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: She's with. My father used to always Anita the chord.

1095
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: My house grew up on Anita Baker. Anita Baker. Anita

1096
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: Baker in her band too, like those guys in the

1097
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: back and the Paris Sisters that saying with the band too,

1098
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: there was another group that saying from Bakersfield, Parre Sisters

1099
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: saying they saying back up for Anita there in that

1100
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: group too, they were like right there. So, but Anita

1101
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: Baker is very special being from that scene that that

1102
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: Detroit scene with her dad having a club like she

1103
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: grew up in it. That's all she knows. She does

1104
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: it to every little lick she does, it's it's just

1105
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: perfect arm and record she chooses is you know, giving

1106
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: me the best that I got. You know, that's just

1107
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:13,479
Speaker 1: perfect army with you being on the show what's the name?

1108
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: I've seen it a couple of times. But the documentary

1109
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: about background singers, uh, I think something like that. But

1110
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: that's it's an amazing documentary that needs a part two

1111
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: that needs to executive produce. That you should executive produce.

1112
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: That you absolutely should because it's a very instrumental part

1113
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: of our business. Yes, yes, that people just don't talk

1114
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: about because there are nights where the main person doesn't

1115
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: have it and those background singers are saving people. Yep,

1116
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: background singers saved saving people. Then the audience may not

1117
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: even know at times they can usually do what the

1118
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: artist does. And more and more and more you think about,

1119
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: you think about some of the Luther Vandross was the

1120
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: background singer. Yep, Tank was the background singer. Yourself loved

1121
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: and loved every minute of it. If I could afford

1122
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: to do it all the time and make a living

1123
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: do it. I would still do. I love I say

1124
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: background of the Voice for many years and that's where

1125
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: I got a lot of experience at the Voice, but

1126
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,959
Speaker 1: also learning behind the scenes. The same people that worked

1127
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: at The Voice worked at the Grammys, worked at the

1128
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: Academy Awards. To this day, the am mays, they're working

1129
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and you see them and your life

1130
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: is easier when you see them, like, oh, I'm good,

1131
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: you're directing, All right, good, we got you here, we

1132
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: got the cameraman, I know all y'all. This is the

1133
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 1: crew that does it everything the best, and you feel

1134
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: like you're in a in a family like at home.

1135
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: These are the same people that've been working this for years.

1136
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: The stars have come and gone, but the same something

1137
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: that we've never done on this show. And it could

1138
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: probably get tough for you, but I need you to

1139
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: do this because we need to put that spotlight. Can

1140
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: you shout out some of the dope background singers? Absolutely? Absolutely,

1141
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: absolutely with Sharif for Paine, who's amazing to me and

1142
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: she's always been amazing to me. That's one of my

1143
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: favorite of all time. But I'm there's a family, there's

1144
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: a there's a family that people may not know about.

1145
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: That that's pretty core in this business. And the session

1146
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: singers for all the movies and everything. You talk about

1147
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: Dorian Holly, who did backup from Michael Jackson who's still

1148
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: in the game, and he sings with me and we

1149
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: do cole play together. And his daughter in Ayanna, you

1150
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: have co play the same with co play and they're amazing.

1151
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: I love co play, So that's that's I mean. You

1152
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: have my my girl that I sang with for many

1153
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 1: years of the Voice, Kara White, girl alto, craziest alto

1154
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: in the world. She's amazing. Love her, shout her out. Um, Denise, Denise, Denise,

1155
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: She's one of the baddest sopranos ever. My boy Nelson,

1156
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: who I grew up with, also went to Oakland. Elson

1157
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: took over for me at the Voice. Um you have

1158
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, and like even every same background for a

1159
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: while too. I call your name. Avery's starting his own right,

1160
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: But you have like like those you know, Uh, Jason

1161
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: Jason who does directs the gospel choir, Jason White, and

1162
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: he used to call me for gigs years ago. He

1163
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: used to be minister of music at West Angelis. He

1164
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: was raised bringing in the singers you know he did.

1165
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: He created the samples Kanye Choir. A lot of my

1166
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: friends who singing the samples have been in this business

1167
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: a long time doing session work. Then you have like

1168
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: Eadie Bodiker who puts the lot of the choir sessions together.

1169
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 1: You have Jasper, you have Bobby Page. You have just

1170
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: a few vocal contractors that put together Sally Stevens, who's

1171
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: still alive, the people who put together the stuff for

1172
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: the movies, and they sang in the old movies like

1173
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: the Peter Pan and the old stuff. They could you

1174
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: could put a sheet of music in front of them

1175
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: and they don't have to even know the song. They

1176
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: just go. And so these singers never get the credit.

1177
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: And there's a whole room of them and they're they're beautiful, professional, kind,

1178
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: friendly and they can sing anything. And I love working

1179
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: with him, I love, I love it so much because

1180
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: they're the core of what we hear in Hollywood. There.

1181
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: I call it like the choir room of Hollywood. When

1182
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: we're together at Center stage and one of these places

1183
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: where you're rehearsing s I R. And you see your

1184
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: family in there, and those those are the people that

1185
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I know we're good now, I know

1186
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: this is going to be good. So there's there's a

1187
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: lot more. But those people, those people I the ones

1188
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: I mentioned to Nash, I've mentioned her, the people I

1189
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: mentioned I've worked with for many years. But the session

1190
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: singers are magical. Those are the ones that keep everything going.

1191
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: You don't even noticing. Man, you gotta have a shout out, man,

1192
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 1: that's right. And our brother Lani Barell, Lonie Barrel, Lonni Man. Recently,

1193
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: after years years, I saw that DJ Cassidy's birthday party.

1194
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: Luke Jan Luke Luke Coach Luke Coach Luke Luke came

1195
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: to my house with this song called I Want You.

1196
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: He's like, I gotta sing this song. I put him

1197
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: in opera soprano lessons like we were that really crazy

1198
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: high song. He came over and we started working on that.

1199
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: That that was years was one of them for both

1200
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: of us. He's one of the baddest singers singers, and

1201
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 1: he did a lot of shows and he was little. Yeah,

1202
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: that would be a dangerous room. You Loop Avery. I

1203
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: used to bring Loop to the front of my stage

1204
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: and just let him go crazy, go crazy. You cannot

1205
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: stand back there and just do that. You gotta put

1206
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: the light on these guys. And he stopped bringing my

1207
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: brother to the front of the stage because he would

1208
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: take brother brother. Brother wouldn't wait, Your brother didn't wait.

1209
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: He just there's a time where my shirt comes off.

1210
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: It's choreographed. I know when there's a time and Bob,

1211
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: and Bob anticipated to snap. He he took his shirt off, no.

1212
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: Four bars before me four yards and I look and

1213
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: the girls are the girls are screaming. I'm like, I

1214
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: look back, but he's doing this. Didn't shut up. I'm like,

1215
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: try taking my shirt off. I don't even feel good.

1216
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: Streams are all streamed out, so I have to let

1217
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: Bob go. You can't do that. I just know, Bob,

1218
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: But how often do you work out? How do you

1219
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: keep this up? Sorry to turn the tables, but I

1220
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just like, I work out as as

1221
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: often as I can. If I can work out six

1222
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: seven days a week, I'll work six seven days a week. Yeah.

1223
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, because like, it didn't scare me that women

1224
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: were screaming take your shirt off. Like I was like, okay, cool.

1225
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: Some of them came for the teas. Some of them

1226
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: came for the music. I'm going to take care of

1227
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: them all. It's your job to make everybody. I'm going

1228
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: to take care of them all. You never know why

1229
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: people fall in love with you, you know what I mean?

1230
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: And so I just listen and pay attention and and

1231
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: being in shape and being an athlete. That's just second

1232
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: nature for me. And it's also part of your job

1233
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: and responsibility. And so they game part of my job

1234
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: and responsibility. And his name is Tank. His name is

1235
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: you gotta show up with show up with the bird chesse. Yeah,

1236
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm not show up, Hank. You ain't hang you have?

1237
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: Isn't you know? You have to bring it? M hm.

1238
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm forty six years old. And my wife is like,

1239
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: when are you gonna stop taking your shirt off? I'm

1240
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: gonna say when. I can't you understand? Yeah, when it stopped?

1241
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: Any artist that has any art, has any artist done

1242
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: that until forty six two years taking their shirt off?

1243
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't take a shot off anymore. I don't think.

1244
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's a tired at that part.

1245
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 1: I think you out ran No, you've you've outran everyone's

1246
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: my idol, and you're not close to finishing Like this

1247
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: is still no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm still no.

1248
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: I'm still going to another level. You have a whole

1249
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: another level to get too. I'm probably gonna next year.

1250
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 1: Wants to compete in fitness competitions. Crazy. I didn't know

1251
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: that crazy, because I'll see you soon. I think we're

1252
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: gonna promote it. Like were you after part? Were you

1253
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: always genetically like blessed like that to have so? Did

1254
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: you always have? Yes? I was always skinny, and I'm

1255
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: just I just think some people are born with muscles

1256
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: tested an R and B. Some people might be going

1257
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: with some help no good genetics, you have good. I'd

1258
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: always going singing, like I have a little blessing of singing.

1259
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: But but some people are born. Oh I go to

1260
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: gym once a week and it's like no, no, no, no.

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01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean I was naturally cut, Okay, naturally you know,

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01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: athletic and all these things. But when it came time

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01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: to put on you know, some real muscle. You know

1264
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The word my first stop was g NC.

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01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm in g n C

1266
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: and like what you do, just it's creatine. There's a

1267
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: loading phase, alright, alright, alright, all right, okay, that says

1268
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: anabolic what I'm saying, and so I would just I

1269
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: was just trying and safely figure out the concoction to

1270
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: help me, you know, pushing it to that next level.

1271
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: But back to you, my brother, we're not done with you. Um.

1272
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: We got very very important segment of the show, very important,

1273
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: most important. Next one. Some people say it's called I

1274
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: ain't saying no names. Mhmm. Will you tell us a story.

1275
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: Let's either funnier, fun up or both. The only rule

1276
01:15:55,560 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: you can't say the names. Who come on? Come on,

1277
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: I know we know you guys. I know you've got

1278
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: a lot of stories. Yeah, a lot of things. But

1279
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: it's a rooms. Well, I just don't say no name.

1280
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no. That's about to

1281
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: be our new intoke to it. No no, no, no,

1282
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 1: no no. We gotta sample back here. No no no, no,

1283
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: no no no no. You gotta clean. Yeah, they're gonna

1284
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: call for a royalty. Hey guys, um you don't remember,

1285
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: all right, I got a story. Here we go. Story

1286
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: I can't say no name. Very well known person in

1287
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: the industry, um that I was around for a while.

1288
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: At one point I I can't say that he's a rapper.

1289
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: And so I never knew this rapper love love singing

1290
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: so much and so oh it's gonna be dangerous. Um,

1291
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: you're almost this is there's a point where I learned

1292
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: that rappers, I really love to sing. Yeah, they grew

1293
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: up listening to singers a lot of times as much

1294
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: as they did other rappers. Like, so they really want

1295
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: to sing. And so with the advancement of technology and

1296
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: auto tune, they can. They can now hearing notes, and

1297
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: so I did. I was like, you know, I'm not.

1298
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't say I'm a rapper listener. I'm not.

1299
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: I listened to singers. So I was singing. I was

1300
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: doing what I do, jam, jam jam. This rapper gets

1301
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: on the piano. Stop the music, stop the DJ, just

1302
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: stop stop everything. One more song, please, Stevie. One more song,

1303
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: and and and uh, let me know if I could

1304
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 1: sing it. Let me let me know if I could

1305
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: do the lead. I get one Mike's when Mikes so

1306
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: who goes. I knew it was gonna go downhill a

1307
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: little bit, and I just remember playing the chords really loud.

1308
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: It might have been like, can you stay in the

1309
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: rain or something that we all love, you know, and

1310
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm playing damn the drowned altums about happening, and I

1311
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: turned the reaver on all the way on his mic

1312
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: all the way turn and trying to tweak it, turned

1313
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: mine up his down. Dad. I was like, you know, boom,

1314
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be on a perfect day. I don't

1315
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: know what I thought I was gonna hear, but I had.

1316
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: I hadn't been around non singers in a long time.

1317
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 1: But it went, it went south right there, and all

1318
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: all my, all, my, if people even knew, if people

1319
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: even knew, like how how if this moment was ever

1320
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: filmed and out, it would just be a catastrophe, a catastrophe.

1321
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: It went down that fast, and I remember having kind

1322
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: of stop and swerve that song back into its but

1323
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: just out of respect for the song, I had to

1324
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 1: swerve it back into the lane and I was I

1325
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: was like, okay, because I need some by I remember

1326
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: just doing that and like like yanking that Mike. I

1327
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: took that X SOLR and I kind of yanked it

1328
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: out at the bottom there, remember yanking it out, and

1329
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: he was like, what happened? I remember something happened. I

1330
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: took my hand. I just yanked it out and I

1331
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: can't be associated with anything if this ever gets out,

1332
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: I can't be the one on the piano. I will

1333
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: not be seeing around around bad vocals like this. I can't.

1334
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: I have a reputation of hoole, I cannot be I

1335
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: won't be singing around. So you're a vocal snob if

1336
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: there ever was one. I have to say that I've

1337
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: become I become friendlier, friendlier, but I am definitely a vocus.

1338
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy concerts like everybody else. Vocal coaches are

1339
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 1: like that. It's me looked like wise, don't it sound

1340
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: like this? Sound men are my worst enemies, you know.

1341
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, why isn't this and so I am? I

1342
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: am that guy I am, And I sept that that's

1343
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: where my snobbery lives. It's the only place it lives

1344
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 1: a rapper. So there's that. But I understand it was

1345
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: a stretch yesh. Yeah, just I don't see why rappers

1346
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: don't rap in the space just after the singing. There's

1347
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: a point where I would just play the piano you

1348
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: freestyle like they did. And when I was growing up

1349
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties. You just put a cool

1350
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: rapping there and we're all like, that's amazing, that'd be great.

1351
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: But no, they want to be the singer too, and

1352
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: so it's a whole different game now. And when they're

1353
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: on the mic that has the auto tune, it's a

1354
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: different mic. That's studio mic. This is live performance Mike. Oh,

1355
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: we guys, a little rever been here. You've got to

1356
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: be able to hold it. If that. So that's that's

1357
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: my story. You can take a million guests of who

1358
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: it is. But anyway, I ain't saying no name, no name.

1359
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no name. Um. Bro. First of all,

1360
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: you told us you're putting out a project on the

1361
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,759
Speaker 1: Army Money podcast. We got exclusive, We got the exclusive,

1362
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: we got no no, no, no, no, okay to sample.

1363
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: Take it go along with I ain't saying no names, um,

1364
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: and just more flowers. Man you are you are one

1365
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: of the coldest man and um, your gift keeps us

1366
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: on the level. Mm hm. So keep doing more of that,

1367
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Continue to be excellent, Continue

1368
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: to have those spaces and forums where people can come

1369
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: and perfect their excellence. Yes, you know what I'm saying.

1370
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: Is absolutely necessary and needed. We're gonna be sending people

1371
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: to you. We're gonna come see you to come on

1372
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: and God continue the legacy of just of just what

1373
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: you are man and what you do. Man, you're really

1374
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: really dope. Do you take eb Yeah? Whatever you can

1375
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: your man. I know you need something up. I know

1376
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: you need something up. Baby. Let me st I'm Jay

1377
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: Valentine And this has been the R and B Money Podcast,

1378
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: the authority on all things R and B. And we

1379
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: have been blessed to have Stevien Mackie. Thank you, thank you.

1380
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Appreciate you. Thank thank you, Jay and

1381
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: and crew. Like that's what we're talking about. People who

1382
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: are in the background and we don't see right now,

1383
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: that are always working. This is this is you know,

1384
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: kind of dedicated to you, this episode, This is for

1385
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: all people that work in this energy. Takes a lot

1386
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: of people to make a star. And so yep, I

1387
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: really appreciate I love being here. It was like sitting

1388
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: down with my family getting grilled. I love it. This

1389
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: is everything everything. Keep working or if you're a singer,

1390
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: put the work in, but the work in. If you

1391
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 1: don't feel like you should sing, don't sing. There's a

1392
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: lot of people in line to be singers. We don't

1393
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: need you, we don't need more singers like that. If

1394
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: you feel like there's something men you go sing, Go

1395
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: figure out how to do it. And listen. Listen. You're

1396
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: born listen. You're not born singing, you're not born talking.

1397
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: You're born listening first, listening. So that's your gift. Listen,

1398
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 1: and then take that and try to do what you

1399
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: can with it. So say that speech, I don't know, man,