Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Look f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: With so much going on in this country as it
Speaker 1: pertains to the college campus protests that have spread across
Speaker 1: the country, the brutalization of those protesters at the hands
Speaker 1: of militarized police, I brought in for today's discussion our
Speaker 1: friend and friend of the show, the Reverend Mark Thompson,
Speaker 1: host of Make It Plain, to unpack what he has seen,
Speaker 1: what he's been hearing, what he has participated in at Columbia.
Speaker 1: This interview took place before Columbia University was invaded by
Speaker 1: the NYPD, thousands of NYPD officers, and so I am
Speaker 1: just at a loss particularly that as of the time
Speaker 1: of this recording, Joe Biden came out and did a
Speaker 1: very short press conference where he reprimanded those that are
Speaker 1: protesting and said that there can be descend without you know,
Speaker 1: their being disorder in what fucking world? In what fucking
Speaker 1: world does that look like? Right? In order for people
Speaker 1: to affect change, things get messy, right, particularly when the
Speaker 1: laws that are put in front of us are bullshit.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, according to then Joe Biden MLK was a problem,
Speaker 1: which he was right given the fact that he was
Speaker 1: assassinated for organizing nonviolent protests that people found disruptive. Right
Speaker 1: people found it disruptive that black people were boycotting, that
Speaker 1: they were going into segregated spaces in order to integrate them. Right,
Speaker 1: they were seen as rabel rouse, they were seen as
Speaker 1: trouble makers. Now, of course, history wants to look back
Speaker 1: on those people as courageous and heroes, the same way
Speaker 1: that we will look back on the young people that
Speaker 1: decided to fight back against an entire right system that
Speaker 1: is complicit in murder and destruction. So I bring in
Speaker 1: our friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson to you know, to
Speaker 1: walk us through where we are and where we are headed.
Speaker 1: But as of this recording, folks, it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1: I continue to applaud the young people of this country
Speaker 1: that have sparked movements around the world. I'm proud of
Speaker 1: their commitment, of their courage, and of their no bullshit attitude.
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing that I will say
Speaker 1: is that the Boomer generation and not Gen X, because
Speaker 1: I refuse to loop in Gen X to this, because
Speaker 1: the generation is so small but the boomer generation failed
Speaker 1: these young people because they're still in fucking power. As
Speaker 1: you can look at the ages in Congress and the
Speaker 1: current president of the United States.
Speaker 2: These are young people.
Speaker 1: You know why they're so fearless because they've grown up
Speaker 1: with mass shootings being the norm in their schools, where
Speaker 1: they've lost classmates right and family members to mass shootings
Speaker 1: that happen all across this country because we don't care
Speaker 1: about keeping.
Speaker 2: Our kids safe.
Speaker 1: They were told that, you know, if they just work hard,
Speaker 1: they too will be able to have a peace of
Speaker 1: the American dream. And now they have crushing debt. And
Speaker 1: that is just to name two things off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. But coming up next my conversation with
Speaker 1: our good friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson. I am so
Speaker 1: excited to welcome back to Woke Affid Daily our friend,
Speaker 1: friend of mine and friend of the show, the Reverend
Speaker 1: Mark Thompson, host of Make It Plain and also Mark,
Speaker 1: you are currently acting as one of the interfaith leaders
Speaker 1: working with the students at Columbia who are in the
Speaker 1: midst of protests that has sparked nationwide protests on institutions divestment.
Speaker 2: From Israel, and you have been on the ground.
Speaker 1: Understanding what the sentiments of the students are, how the
Speaker 1: community around Columbia University has been reacting, which we are
Speaker 1: not hearing or seeing. I saw you most recently on
Speaker 1: Joy's show on MSNBC, alongside one of the Columbia students.
Speaker 2: Tell us what is happening.
Speaker 1: I will just start there because I turned on the
Speaker 1: news today and for twenty minutes I saw the same
Speaker 1: video of a hammer breaking a window of a building.
Speaker 1: And I know from media what that is supposed to
Speaker 1: invoke and what the White House has said as of
Speaker 1: the time of this recording, which is that peaceful protests
Speaker 1: don't take over buildings. In my humble opinion, the White House,
Speaker 1: the Biden administration has been reacting to this in entirely
Speaker 1: wrong ways.
Speaker 2: Tell us what.
Speaker 1: The media is getting wrong and what is actually happening
Speaker 1: on the grounds of Columbia University as love right now.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, first and foremost, hey girl, it's you.
Speaker 3: Look at you hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a lot to get caught upon, and
Speaker 4: God bless you the work af audience. I appreciate this,
Speaker 4: you know. I kind of pride myself. I don't talk
Speaker 4: about me on my own show. I think it's kind
Speaker 4: of rude. I don't like people do that. If I
Speaker 4: have a guest, people want to hear against only any
Speaker 4: run in my mouth, And if you notice you when
Speaker 4: I post a clip, you almost never.
Speaker 3: Hear my voice. I want people to hear against them.
Speaker 3: So it's good when you know.
Speaker 4: When I have something to share, it to somebody like
Speaker 4: you brings me on because what I'm about to share
Speaker 4: I probably won't even share on my own show, and
Speaker 4: you'd have to get it from here. So so y'all
Speaker 4: spread the word on walk. So just to be clear,
Speaker 4: for the past two Sundays, I've been a part of
Speaker 4: the worship service in the encampment at Columbia University.
Speaker 3: Of this past Sunday, I was actually asked to organize
Speaker 3: a worship service.
Speaker 4: Fully, it was inter faith Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, traditional African spirituality.
Speaker 4: We poor libations and then I preached to Christian sermon.
Speaker 4: So I have kind of been in this in this role.
Speaker 4: Let me first of all say that this has been
Speaker 4: a non violent, peaceful protest. It is false to say
Speaker 4: non violent, peaceful protests don't take over buildings because throughout history,
Speaker 4: student movements have taken over buildings we can go to.
Speaker 4: I shut down campuses, shut down Georgetown, shut down Howard,
Speaker 4: shut down u DC my in my lifetime, and and
Speaker 4: developed an interesting reputation because of that's we can do
Speaker 4: a whole other show on that. So I've got some
Speaker 4: expertise in that. Now, we when we did it did
Speaker 4: not necessarily damage property, and if so, it was unintentional.
Speaker 4: They're saying these students allegedly damaged property, but these videos.
Speaker 3: I was there.
Speaker 4: Right after the building was taken over and was not
Speaker 4: able to see any evidence of damaged property. But it's
Speaker 4: a big building, So I just leave that there. That
Speaker 4: remains to be seen at this hour. Though I think
Speaker 4: we would all have to agree that property damage is
Speaker 4: preferable anyway, if that's what it is to person physical damage,
Speaker 4: which is what happens when the police and the National
Speaker 4: Guard and stuff like that show up. So at this moment,
Speaker 4: negotiations are stalled, and this is an you know, this
Speaker 4: is a fluid situation, so by the time we've done
Speaker 4: that may change. But April twenty ninth, the university administration
Speaker 4: cut off negotiations and said to the students, you have
Speaker 4: two o'clock until two o'clock to leave the encampment or
Speaker 4: face suspension, and you will not be able to graduate
Speaker 4: those who are seniors. Now again, it backfired because recall
Speaker 4: when the president of the university called the police on
Speaker 4: her own students that sparked this nationwide campus movement. Now,
Speaker 4: I ask you, Danielle Moody and your audience.
Speaker 3: When was the last time some students in Texas, particularly
Speaker 3: Austin University of Tennessee, been in solidarity with the rest
Speaker 3: of us on something like this.
Speaker 2: I can't, I couldn't. I couldn't name a time.
Speaker 4: There was this Texas sister, a white sister outside with
Speaker 4: me yesterday and she pointed that out to me.
Speaker 3: Gained unchanged.
Speaker 4: So I just want to leave that there for a minute,
Speaker 4: all right. So President not in her wisdom, did not listen.
Speaker 4: Daniel You and I have actually have a couple of
Speaker 4: friends on the faculty, people we know. They tried to say,
Speaker 4: you know, you need to not do this. And she's new,
Speaker 4: by the way, this president of Columbia. The only reason
Speaker 4: she wasn't at the hearing with the black president, woman
Speaker 4: president of Harvard.
Speaker 3: And the right yep.
Speaker 4: Was because she had a prior engagement. She went last
Speaker 4: week later, but she would have been in that row
Speaker 4: of three. She's very I think she's only been there
Speaker 4: since October. In fairness, it is my understanding that her
Speaker 4: decision to call the police was based upon her she
Speaker 4: was the former president of London School Economics. Calling the
Speaker 4: police in London is different from calling the police here.
Speaker 2: They don't carry with them, that's right.
Speaker 4: And they have, believe it or not, our former colonizers
Speaker 4: handle these situations a little bit better. I mean, I
Speaker 4: know that for what I've seen some situations. They're not
Speaker 4: coming in to kill. They kind of they know how
Speaker 4: to do that. They also not shoot each other in
Speaker 4: the street either, So that's a whole other conversation. Maybe
Speaker 4: we might need to move over there. But anyway, they
Speaker 4: have the gun mass shooting piece under control. So when
Speaker 4: she called the police, it is my understanding she was
Speaker 4: calling from that crossed upon experience, and anyway, the result
Speaker 4: actually helped the movement.
Speaker 3: And now we have and a.
Speaker 4: So largely unquantifiable number of students in the streets.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: So on April twenty ninth, Monday, April twenty ninth, she
Speaker 4: draws another line in the stand, saying the students say no.
Speaker 4: And so at midnight April thirtieth, they took over Hamilton Hall.
Speaker 3: So now that's a big deal. We take over a building.
Speaker 4: One would think that negotiations would resume, but they have not,
Speaker 4: and we'll just have to wait and see.
Speaker 3: What happens.
Speaker 4: I will say this that there have been calls for
Speaker 4: the National Guard to be brought in, and this is
Speaker 4: not the first time. I want everybody to listen to
Speaker 4: me very carefully. If the National Guard moves on Columbia
Speaker 4: and then other governors follow New York Governor hocals lead,
Speaker 4: we will.
Speaker 3: Literally be reliving nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 4: When LBJ had to drop out of the race because
Speaker 4: of the Vietnam War protests the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this to be confrontational. We try
Speaker 3: to folks. You know how, Daniel, you try to help
Speaker 3: people and they don't really want to help.
Speaker 1: So I want to tell you so you can only
Speaker 1: help people that want to help them.
Speaker 4: Hello, what opens with people tell you who they are believing.
Speaker 4: So this I'm about to make a helpful statement Biden
Speaker 4: White House. And I'm not saying anything i haven't said
Speaker 4: over the phone. You are handing this election to Trump
Speaker 4: if you don't figure this out, and stopping at Yahoo
Speaker 4: from your stuff that Yahoo is an ally of Putin
Speaker 4: and an ally of Trump.
Speaker 3: Richard Haass of.
Speaker 4: The Council on Foreign Relations was on Morning Joe every
Speaker 4: morning for the past three weeks saying that Morning Joe
Speaker 4: was agreeing to it, but now depending on the swamp
Speaker 4: because some people in this country have been saying no, no, no,
Speaker 4: we got to identify these students as anti Semitic and
Speaker 4: that there's some personal safety in danger.
Speaker 3: I am there at Columbus.
Speaker 4: No, Columbia, no people are under any personal safety or endangerment.
Speaker 4: That has some foods on the outside, which we call provocateurs,
Speaker 4: which every movement has, but they're not students, they're just
Speaker 4: representing themselves.
Speaker 3: But I've been there.
Speaker 4: That campus is not unsafe. And so they've got to
Speaker 4: do something about this because the narrative that we know
Speaker 4: what's are in the sixty eight Chicago we about to
Speaker 4: do twenty twenty four cargo, same thing is about to
Speaker 4: happen again, and so they've got to figure this out.
Speaker 4: Stop attacking these students again. Folks were looking at generational piece.
Speaker 4: I'll stop there, but I want to come back to
Speaker 4: that later when you ask me about what this actually
Speaker 4: means in November and what it actually means to the
Speaker 4: most important segment of the electorate that will decide November,
Speaker 4: and that's women.
Speaker 1: As I am watching this unfold, there is no part
Speaker 1: of me that thinks that this is not going to
Speaker 1: end badly. And the reason why I say that is
Speaker 1: because the systems and the people that control the systems
Speaker 1: are not paying attention. And this was one campus that
Speaker 1: turned into a nationwide solidarity movement that has reached Gaza
Speaker 1: with their signs and graffiti that says we see you,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So what I am seeing, Mark is that there has
Speaker 1: never been, to my knowledge, a student movement centered around
Speaker 1: justice that has been wrong historically. So, whether it was
Speaker 1: apartheid in South Africa, whether it was Jim Crow segregation
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties and sixties, whether it was the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War, there hasn't been student led movements that have
Speaker 1: been on the wrong side of history.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: When we're watching this now and they're trying to couch
Speaker 1: these young people as a bunch of radical anti Semites,
Speaker 1: how does that tone and tenor that mainstream media is
Speaker 1: taking in cahoots with this administration in Kohu, with the
Speaker 1: political establishment. How do the student to reclaim the narrative
Speaker 1: so that what they are asking for is not being
Speaker 1: discounted because they're being couched. Now, all of these students
Speaker 1: at these elite institutions as somehow a bunch of thugs
Speaker 1: and criminals that just you know, decided to turn on
Speaker 1: their university and ratchet up anti Semitism and.
Speaker 4: The I'll answer that your question that you're asking me.
Speaker 4: I'll add to the question that you're asking myself. Aren't
Speaker 4: weren't we weren't or not we weren't. Wasn't Israel supposed
Speaker 4: to be trying to get Hamas or they trying to.
Speaker 2: Get students unclear?
Speaker 4: See you focused on Hamas. Hamas don't have thirty five
Speaker 4: thousand members. These are civilians. You've killing, non enemy combatants,
Speaker 4: non combatants, non enemies.
Speaker 3: Reclaiming the narrative I.
Speaker 4: Think is still students holding their ground. However, there are
Speaker 4: many ways to do that. Whether you occupied the building,
Speaker 4: I mean the schools about to be out in a
Speaker 4: lot of these places, and logistically it makes it challenging
Speaker 4: the whole buildings when school is out Uh, these administrations
Speaker 4: may have the authority of schools out dreams supposed to
Speaker 4: be and we just get you out of here one or.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 4: I've been a student, so I've watched what the other
Speaker 4: side does. I can see them saying, Okay, y'all just
Speaker 4: stay here, but we going on vacation.
Speaker 3: We'll see when we get back in September. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So you don't want that either.
Speaker 4: So it's this is something we've got to figure out,
Speaker 4: and the students have to figure out. I think those
Speaker 4: of us in our position are here to advise, but
Speaker 4: ultimately these are decisions that they that they must make.
Speaker 4: And I think there are steps in negotiation. I mean,
Speaker 4: we're got to reinvent the wheel. We have the model
Speaker 4: of MLK. And some negotiations went on and on and
Speaker 4: on and on and on, and there were fits and
Speaker 4: stars to them. Sometimes there was direct action, sometimes there wasn't.
Speaker 4: So you can have a period of direct action, then
Speaker 4: a period of non diirect action and negotiation, and then
Speaker 4: got another period of direct action.
Speaker 3: But you have to and I would say to.
Speaker 4: The students, and I intend to say that there's more
Speaker 4: to them. You got to have a movement mentality. We're
Speaker 4: in a movement, not a moment. So so do we
Speaker 4: really want to build like we see? The first two
Speaker 4: movement I was involved in as a freshman eighteen years old,
Speaker 4: South Africa and divestment. The university is too divest from
Speaker 4: South Africa. That's why this is the same thing. And
Speaker 4: we won, but there was some It was a process.
Speaker 4: It wasn't we took over buildings one night the first thing.
Speaker 4: That wasn't the first thing we did, and then everybody folded.
Speaker 4: It took time and took pressure. We got it done,
Speaker 4: and you know, I feel some students. I think there's
Speaker 4: another element in this because some students are here on
Speaker 4: student visa.
Speaker 3: They have a fear of retaliation. So I gotta get
Speaker 3: it all done while I can. I get that. So
Speaker 3: it's complicated.
Speaker 4: And so that's sort of the that's not an absolute
Speaker 4: answer to your question, but I would just say to
Speaker 4: get that back to reclaim the moral authority from the
Speaker 4: self righteous media who also is blaming, Well, these students
Speaker 4: gonna lect Donald Trump. Nobody's gonna lect Donald Trump. Not
Speaker 4: students don't waging a war, then y'allhoo is gonna reelect
Speaker 4: Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: The students want this to stop.
Speaker 4: So you reclaim the moral authority by building a movement.
Speaker 4: And I don't know who's doing it. I hope somebody
Speaker 4: started this, but I'm gonna say it out loud. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say it to the students the next time I
Speaker 4: speak to them. Somebody needs to be organizing all these
Speaker 4: students on all these campuses so that you have a
Speaker 4: collective movement. And then when school comes back in September,
Speaker 4: you got to again. You hit it, and you hit
Speaker 4: it hard. That's really I think how you you you you?
Speaker 4: Politics is about who out organized as who. This is
Speaker 4: a war, not just one battle. These are battles and
Speaker 4: skirmishes on these canvas. We are in a war for
Speaker 4: peace and non violence in Gaza against the war of
Speaker 4: violence that is being waged in Gaza.
Speaker 1: But we're you know, the problem that I think There
Speaker 1: are several that I think that these students are facing.
Speaker 1: But one of them is the fact that if I
Speaker 1: am labeled as an anti Semite, then no one is
Speaker 1: going to listen to you. So so even if which
Speaker 1: I believe is that the cause is righteous on the
Speaker 1: right side of history, centered around humanity and justice, if
Speaker 1: everything is drilled down to broken windows and anti Semitism,
Speaker 1: then no one is going to listen to you. So
Speaker 1: I believe, like Jurassic Times, call for drastic measures. I
Speaker 1: believe in taking over buildings, right because guess what they
Speaker 1: wanted to be on the campus.
Speaker 2: In an encampment and you fuck that up?
Speaker 1: You know? So now the president created the avenue and
Speaker 1: the space for this. Right, instead of saying, you know
Speaker 1: what we need is a town hall? Do you know
Speaker 1: what we need?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Is the understanding that we're all trying to operate in
Speaker 1: good faith. Right, that Columbia University has been investing in
Speaker 1: a lot of fuckery over the course of the school's history, Right, Like,
Speaker 1: this is not the first unjust thing that they have done.
Speaker 2: So let us be really.
Speaker 1: Open and transparent about whose campus this has always been.
Speaker 1: But I wonder, Mark, is this This administration is not
Speaker 1: engaging in this in the right way. They're not engaging
Speaker 1: in this frigging war in the right way. I don't
Speaker 1: know how anybody continues to get a blank check when
Speaker 1: you are showing yourself, based on the Geneva Convention, to
Speaker 1: be a fucking war criminal. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: have rules of engagement. You break those rules and you
Speaker 1: there's there's no accountability for it. So if I'm never
Speaker 1: going to be told that I'm wrong, what's the incentive
Speaker 1: for me to stop doing wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, so to the first.
Speaker 4: Part, I really manage it's a regeneration because it's a
Speaker 4: new one. I don't think they wean First of I'll
Speaker 4: say this. You know some of the students were cursing
Speaker 4: around you. Ask man, I called your name, and so
Speaker 4: we saw a reverend you manus cursing around you. I said, no,
Speaker 4: Daniel Moody does it all the time.
Speaker 3: There's no problem. I'd accept that. That's no thing.
Speaker 4: The students this generation are not intimidated by the anti
Speaker 4: Semitic label that is dying, that weaponization of their terminology.
Speaker 4: This is all generational. I'm gonna sound like Fannie Willison.
Speaker 4: Now you want you want to head a conversation, you.
Speaker 2: Can have that conversation.
Speaker 4: Conversation will checked this out Joe Biden's generation where you
Speaker 4: have Jews, some of whom are still living direct survivors
Speaker 4: of the Holocaust. So I get that. I get that
Speaker 4: whole thing. And then those had I mean just you
Speaker 4: got their children. You know who wouldn't be here. And
Speaker 4: then you got the Joe Biden's of the world, the
Speaker 4: Irish Catholics, other people in Europe who allowed it to
Speaker 4: happen and turned the blind eye to it.
Speaker 3: So you can hold that old people's head as long
Speaker 3: as they're lave. You didn't do nothing about this. I'm
Speaker 3: just talking about the Holocaust, not now. Clearly we can
Speaker 3: save because we're not allowed to. But but I'm not
Speaker 3: knocking that because you did y'all. That happened.
Speaker 4: Y'all were cool with Hitler putting Jews in ovens as
Speaker 4: long as he'd invade in the countries.
Speaker 3: I hope that got heard what I just said.
Speaker 4: So it's hard for somebody in that generation to say
Speaker 4: to the Jewish people.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm gonna just not then y'all who
Speaker 3: do this. Now.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, you have the next generation of
Speaker 4: Jews coming from those parents who survived, and then a
Speaker 4: couple of other generations below that who was saying, you
Speaker 4: know what, They have a different mentality to say, Okay,
Speaker 4: we know that haven that was horrible, but checked this out.
Speaker 4: We can't justify you doing that to another group of people.
Speaker 4: That's why you asked so many Jews Jewish students up here.
Speaker 4: I mean, the rabbis were with me Sunday calling for
Speaker 4: a ceasefire and we did the song. By the way,
Speaker 4: everybody to go to ceasefiresong dot com. It's also available
Speaker 4: on Spotify and Apple it tunes Ceasefire with Iana Gregory
Speaker 4: got Rabbi is on that the clock is chicken, so
Speaker 4: that the NN Yahoo is no different from the Trumps
Speaker 4: and some of the religious nationalists in this country. This
Speaker 4: is their last gasp yep. All right, So these these kids, yeah,
Speaker 4: I know you know you and I probably still care
Speaker 4: about that. I mean, I don't anybody to call me
Speaker 4: and anti semi, but I'm at the point what can
Speaker 4: I do about it.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately no one has called me that I made
Speaker 4: it very hard. But I know some people want to
Speaker 4: say and they think it because in some respects some
Speaker 4: people throw that word around like they do they in word.
Speaker 4: I'm probably saying too much here, but I think that
Speaker 4: this this thing is flipping and as each generation comes,
Speaker 4: just like with women and row and all of these things,
Speaker 4: you're finding people come forward to say, yeah, this is
Speaker 4: a new generation, we got to do something different. There
Speaker 4: are members of the Biden administration who get this, but
Speaker 4: they are members of the administration who are not doing
Speaker 4: him a good service. And I've even had a member
Speaker 4: of Congress say to me whose name will remain anonymous,
Speaker 4: that Joe Biden is not being well served by his
Speaker 4: staff and has not been since he's been there. So
Speaker 4: you know, some of this stuff just does not add up.
Speaker 4: If you cannot afford as president of the United States,
Speaker 4: the vice president of the first black president who needs
Speaker 4: the black bass vote, you can't afford to go to
Speaker 4: more House and get protested by the Landa University Center
Speaker 4: and black students and black parents there because the people
Speaker 4: who aren't like us and don't listen to us every
Speaker 4: day and don't watch jord read every day.
Speaker 3: This is out here, living.
Speaker 4: Lives, black volte just regular black vote who aren't as
Speaker 4: politically caught up like we are. When they see that picture,
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, something must be wrong. Maybe I don't
Speaker 4: need to vote here. Maybe I do need to stay home.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: And I pleaded with people, say we always we know
Speaker 4: we can't have Trump, so please, Hey, I'm on the
Speaker 4: phone with you. This is what you need to do.
Speaker 4: I should do it more like the teacher Charlie.
Speaker 3: Brown, wan't wa want wa wanh wa want, don't get it?
Speaker 4: Don't just literally do not get it, And that pushed.
Speaker 3: Us all in great peril. Let me just let me
Speaker 3: just say this because I teased it. Let me just.
Speaker 4: Say it was a movie in Meryl Street. Sophie's choice
Speaker 4: she had in the book too. She had to choose
Speaker 4: between which child the sacrifice this was supposed to be.
Speaker 4: Remember remember in November, every election since Dobbs at Overturn Row,
Speaker 4: women have made the decision. When if women decide, it's over.
Speaker 4: You know, don't even worry about all these rappers and
Speaker 4: black men run around talking.
Speaker 3: It it's right now.
Speaker 4: There's a set pretty much every the same percentage of
Speaker 4: black men who vote for a Republican and saying it's
Speaker 4: not going that's not even a big deal.
Speaker 3: Just you don't even spend a lot of time on that.
Speaker 3: We need to educate these younger brothers.
Speaker 4: But with Gaza, you hurt, You hurt us, you hurt
Speaker 4: the mobilization, you hurt young people who you need to vote.
Speaker 4: And you are naive if you think the generation above
Speaker 4: them is an also disaffected. But here's where comes down.
Speaker 4: To women, women who are going to make the decision,
Speaker 4: and specifically black women and suburban, college educated white women.
Speaker 4: Those are the two demographics that are going to decide. Now,
Speaker 4: it helps that you've got to row on the ballot
Speaker 4: in Florida and row on the ballot in Arizona. But
Speaker 4: when it comes to the presidency, and this is what
Speaker 4: will determine whether role will ever be restored. See, if
Speaker 4: Trump gets back in, he's gonna put new judges on
Speaker 4: and they're going.
Speaker 3: To pass a federal law banning abortion.
Speaker 4: Bion's not going to do that. He's going to pass
Speaker 4: a federal law reinstating role if he gets reelected. But
Speaker 4: women are in this Sophi's choice. Do I vote for
Speaker 4: my own body and my own choice versus voting for
Speaker 4: someone who is allowing a genocide to happen right before
Speaker 4: my very eyes as a hell of a choice. I mean,
Speaker 4: it really really is. And people should not be put
Speaker 4: in that position. There should be no genocide and there
Speaker 4: should be women's rights restored. But the Biden administration has
Speaker 4: gotta figure that out and get it. And see, ultimately,
Speaker 4: if you put a human being in that box, then yo,
Speaker 4: even if you figure out an answer, and I'm figured
Speaker 4: out yet.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it. How do we deal with that?
Speaker 3: How do I how do I say to people, you
Speaker 3: still got.
Speaker 4: To vote for this new I'm working through that. We'll
Speaker 4: talk about that on the next show. I'm in prayer
Speaker 4: about that. But even if we figure that out, you
Speaker 4: still have built some resentment in me towards you that
Speaker 4: you have even put me in that situation.
Speaker 3: Now all gone choice.
Speaker 4: I know you have left up everything, the spirit, the movement, anything,
Speaker 4: and then you want to go to moles.
Speaker 3: But I'm not trying to put you down. I'm saying
Speaker 3: you all need to hear me.
Speaker 4: You can't go to doctor King's alma mater, whose life
Speaker 4: was ultimately taken for standing against the Vietnam War.
Speaker 3: Huh. They didn't kill him when he was in Montgomery.
Speaker 4: It was the Vietnam War movement that was so large
Speaker 4: when they saw, wait a minute, look at all these
Speaker 4: white folks coming around doctor King.
Speaker 3: He really is a bigger threat.
Speaker 4: One year to today that he announced his opposition gone,
Speaker 4: you're going to go to his alma mater.
Speaker 3: And stand there. And then on the very.
Speaker 4: Day May nineteenth that Malcolm X was born, and what
Speaker 4: do you think you're going to gain from that. There
Speaker 4: is I'm telling you, this is not what I'm predicting.
Speaker 4: This is what I know, and it's not. My hand
Speaker 4: isn't in it because I haven't organized anybody.
Speaker 3: I don't know this.
Speaker 4: You know some things we don't have to do. We
Speaker 4: didn't organize these student protests. These are organic. There's going
Speaker 4: to be a mass demonstration against Joseph Robin ed Biden
Speaker 4: at the Atlanta University campus at Lanta University Center where
Speaker 4: Martin Luther King went to school on Malcolm Mix's birthday,
Speaker 4: on Malcolm X.
Speaker 2: Nay, you can't write this shit.
Speaker 1: I know that I have to rap soon, but I'm
Speaker 1: just like, this is I gotta say, Mark, this has
Speaker 1: gotta be the most apocalyptic time I have ever seen
Speaker 1: in my.
Speaker 2: Decades of life.
Speaker 1: That the cataclysm of events that are taking place right now,
Speaker 1: no bodily autonomy, rise of LGBTQ, anti LGBTQ bills, five
Speaker 1: hundred plus book banning, environmental mess, student uprising, a complete
Speaker 1: and total genocide that we are watching in real time
Speaker 1: on our own stations, not relying on mainstream news to
Speaker 1: filter through what I need to see, but seeing every
Speaker 1: goddamn thing and a moral less and grifting Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: And we have less than two hundred days until this election.
Speaker 1: Please dear, like you want to talk about somebody who
Speaker 1: who is praying on a regular basis. I've been praying.
Speaker 1: I've been praying for the last seven eight years, right,
Speaker 1: And I mean that seriously. This is like I have
Speaker 1: been cussing. Yeah, I don't know where the light is. Oh,
Speaker 1: because my God, my God knows who I am.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't have to I don't
Speaker 2: have to fame. I don't have to fame that I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: But I or thou has searched me, and you know me.
Speaker 1: So I don't understand how we're gonna get from A.
Speaker 3: To Z.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how we are going to get out
Speaker 1: of this with an administration that does not see the
Speaker 1: writing on the wall. They believe that saying that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is going to be worse is enough. And people
Speaker 1: looking around them and they said, I already don't have
Speaker 1: abortion rights. You kick my kid out of school, my
Speaker 1: gay kid. I had to move states in order for
Speaker 1: them to be able to even possibly have a future.
Speaker 1: I just last word to you honestly, where does the
Speaker 1: student movement lead us?
Speaker 2: Do you think?
Speaker 3: I think it leads us every place. It always has.
Speaker 4: It's been the student movement that's made the difference. It's
Speaker 4: been the student movement that led the civil rights movement.
Speaker 4: It was the students in India with Gandi, it was
Speaker 4: the students. The South African freedom struggle began with a
Speaker 4: student movement, and what was going on in Saway till
Speaker 4: what they were trying to make the students learn in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six, trying to make them learn Afrikaans and
Speaker 4: they didn't want to. So it's always been the young people.
Speaker 4: I am here, Whatever you all think of me, I
Speaker 4: exist because there was a student movement and it was
Speaker 4: one I was involved in in my generation. This is
Speaker 4: what happens, and this is the youth in these situations.
Speaker 4: You can't expose people to hire knowledge and higher learning
Speaker 4: and expect them to just to remain stupid.
Speaker 3: They're going to question, they're going to be inquisitive.
Speaker 4: And let me just shout out again, there are a
Speaker 4: lot of faculty and even some in administration whenever this
Speaker 4: happens who were like, yeah, yeah, this is we're with
Speaker 4: the students.
Speaker 3: You know you trip it. You don't need to do this.
Speaker 3: And so this.
Speaker 4: Universally confirmed that this is the largest resistance in history
Speaker 4: to the mistreatment of the Palestinian people since the establishment
Speaker 4: of the State of Israel.
Speaker 3: So just like these students.
Speaker 4: Are going to have to come to some negotiation and
Speaker 4: hopefully get whatever gains they get or not. I mean,
Speaker 4: everything is a negotiation. It's time for the next generation.
Speaker 4: And they don't put on the news all the Israelis
Speaker 4: that are protesting and Yahoo every day because you're by
Speaker 4: getting some house, you're gonna get some hostages. You're not
Speaker 4: blowing up stuff, you're not killing hostages, You're going to
Speaker 4: get them. And it's high time a new generation of
Speaker 4: leadership was there whenever you even have a Chuck Schumer
Speaker 4: say that. Now he's quiet, but he said that before
Speaker 4: a generation that realizes there has to be coexistence. Not
Speaker 4: the king said we've got to co exist. One group
Speaker 4: can annihilate the other. So the only solution is for
Speaker 4: the record mission of a Palestinian state as well as
Speaker 4: an Israeli state. The problem is it's all Palestine would
Speaker 4: be the most jerry man that chopped up country in
Speaker 4: the world because the way it's split all up in
Speaker 4: the way they You know, when you got Jared.
Speaker 3: Kushni saying, well, this is beach front property, we clear
Speaker 3: our gaza.
Speaker 4: You got putin saying BB then Yahoo, if you stay
Speaker 4: out of Ukraine, even though there's so many Jews there
Speaker 4: and the Jews and the president is Jewish, stay out
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 3: Not only will I let you.
Speaker 4: I'll not use my missile defense systems when you launch
Speaker 4: bombs in the Middle East. Once I went in Ukraine,
Speaker 4: I'll relocate all the Gazans, I mean, all the Ukrainian
Speaker 4: Jews in the Gaza. And then Cushion says, well, we want
Speaker 4: to do that because we want to gentrify it. So
Speaker 4: you know, that's that's what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's Jeff, We're going to have to
Speaker 1: leave it here today. But let me tell you, I
Speaker 1: need you back after you are, you know, gain more
Speaker 1: information on what is going on, and we figure out
Speaker 1: where we are in the next week or so. Thank you, Mark,
Speaker 1: Thank you for every every single thing that you do
Speaker 1: and everything this single thing that you say in front
Speaker 1: and behind the mic.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Please keep me and keep these students, all of.
Speaker 3: Us in your career.
Speaker 2: That is it for me today.
Speaker 1: Dear friends on wokef as always, power to the people
Speaker 1: and to all the people.
Speaker 2: Power, Get woke and stay woke as fuck.