WEBVTT - Handing 2024 to Trump 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Look f Daily with 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:19.040 Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.799 With so much going on in this country as it 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.200 pertains to the college campus protests that have spread across 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:32.559 the country, the brutalization of those protesters at the hands 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:37.640 of militarized police, I brought in for today's discussion our 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.400 friend and friend of the show, the Reverend Mark Thompson, 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.640 host of Make It Plain, to unpack what he has seen, 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.600 what he's been hearing, what he has participated in at Columbia. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:54.720 This interview took place before Columbia University was invaded by 0:00:54.760 --> 0:01:01.279 the NYPD, thousands of NYPD officers, and so I am 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.800 just at a loss particularly that as of the time 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.080 of this recording, Joe Biden came out and did a 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:12.400 very short press conference where he reprimanded those that are 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.400 protesting and said that there can be descend without you know, 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.120 their being disorder in what fucking world? In what fucking 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.600 world does that look like? Right? In order for people 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:29.760 to affect change, things get messy, right, particularly when the 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.440 laws that are put in front of us are bullshit. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:33.320 Right. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.680 So, according to then Joe Biden MLK was a problem, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.160 which he was right given the fact that he was 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:48.720 assassinated for organizing nonviolent protests that people found disruptive. Right 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:53.200 people found it disruptive that black people were boycotting, that 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:58.000 they were going into segregated spaces in order to integrate them. Right, 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.800 they were seen as rabel rouse, they were seen as 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:06.960 trouble makers. Now, of course, history wants to look back 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.519 on those people as courageous and heroes, the same way 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.079 that we will look back on the young people that 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:18.040 decided to fight back against an entire right system that 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:24.880 is complicit in murder and destruction. So I bring in 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.600 our friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson to you know, to 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.200 walk us through where we are and where we are headed. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.080 But as of this recording, folks, it doesn't feel good. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.200 I continue to applaud the young people of this country 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:44.240 that have sparked movements around the world. I'm proud of 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.880 their commitment, of their courage, and of their no bullshit attitude. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.760 And you know the other thing that I will say 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:56.800 is that the Boomer generation and not Gen X, because 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.400 I refuse to loop in Gen X to this, because 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.200 the generation is so small but the boomer generation failed 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:09.040 these young people because they're still in fucking power. As 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.480 you can look at the ages in Congress and the 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.280 current president of the United States. 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:16.880 These are young people. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.359 You know why they're so fearless because they've grown up 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.640 with mass shootings being the norm in their schools, where 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:29.679 they've lost classmates right and family members to mass shootings 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.200 that happen all across this country because we don't care 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:33.080 about keeping. 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:33.720 Our kids safe. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.200 They were told that, you know, if they just work hard, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.600 they too will be able to have a peace of 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:48.560 the American dream. And now they have crushing debt. And 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.600 that is just to name two things off the top 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.640 of my head. But coming up next my conversation with 0:03:53.800 --> 0:04:01.000 our good friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson. I am so 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:06.280 excited to welcome back to Woke Affid Daily our friend, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.480 friend of mine and friend of the show, the Reverend 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:14.600 Mark Thompson, host of Make It Plain and also Mark, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:20.520 you are currently acting as one of the interfaith leaders 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:26.240 working with the students at Columbia who are in the 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:36.239 midst of protests that has sparked nationwide protests on institutions divestment. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.120 From Israel, and you have been on the ground. 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.520 Understanding what the sentiments of the students are, how the 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.360 community around Columbia University has been reacting, which we are 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.680 not hearing or seeing. I saw you most recently on 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:59.880 Joy's show on MSNBC, alongside one of the Columbia students. 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.800 Tell us what is happening. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.800 I will just start there because I turned on the 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.039 news today and for twenty minutes I saw the same 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:18.200 video of a hammer breaking a window of a building. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:23.080 And I know from media what that is supposed to 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:28.760 invoke and what the White House has said as of 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.560 the time of this recording, which is that peaceful protests 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:37.839 don't take over buildings. In my humble opinion, the White House, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:43.880 the Biden administration has been reacting to this in entirely 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:44.600 wrong ways. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:46.720 Tell us what. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.760 The media is getting wrong and what is actually happening 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.560 on the grounds of Columbia University as love right now. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.840 Well, first of all, first and foremost, hey girl, it's you. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.120 Look at you hard. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.520 Yeah, we got a lot to get caught upon, and 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.080 God bless you the work af audience. I appreciate this, 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.320 you know. I kind of pride myself. I don't talk 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.080 about me on my own show. I think it's kind 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.640 of rude. I don't like people do that. If I 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.800 have a guest, people want to hear against only any 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.080 run in my mouth, And if you notice you when 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:22.360 I post a clip, you almost never. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.320 Hear my voice. I want people to hear against them. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.440 So it's good when you know. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.240 When I have something to share, it to somebody like 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.359 you brings me on because what I'm about to share 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.640 I probably won't even share on my own show, and 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.719 you'd have to get it from here. So so y'all 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.400 spread the word on walk. So just to be clear, 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.520 for the past two Sundays, I've been a part of 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.320 the worship service in the encampment at Columbia University. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.120 Of this past Sunday, I was actually asked to organize 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:49.960 a worship service. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:56.880 Fully, it was inter faith Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, traditional African spirituality. 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.680 We poor libations and then I preached to Christian sermon. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.360 So I have kind of been in this in this role. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.200 Let me first of all say that this has been 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:13.640 a non violent, peaceful protest. It is false to say 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.920 non violent, peaceful protests don't take over buildings because throughout history, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.320 student movements have taken over buildings we can go to. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.600 I shut down campuses, shut down Georgetown, shut down Howard, 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.480 shut down u DC my in my lifetime, and and 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.200 developed an interesting reputation because of that's we can do 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.840 a whole other show on that. So I've got some 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:40.360 expertise in that. Now, we when we did it did 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:46.160 not necessarily damage property, and if so, it was unintentional. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:51.920 They're saying these students allegedly damaged property, but these videos. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.040 I was there. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.080 Right after the building was taken over and was not 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.360 able to see any evidence of damaged property. But it's 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.680 a big building, So I just leave that there. That 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.360 remains to be seen at this hour. Though I think 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:13.760 we would all have to agree that property damage is 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:20.600 preferable anyway, if that's what it is to person physical damage, 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.760 which is what happens when the police and the National 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.640 Guard and stuff like that show up. So at this moment, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.679 negotiations are stalled, and this is an you know, this 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.360 is a fluid situation, so by the time we've done 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:44.920 that may change. But April twenty ninth, the university administration 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.800 cut off negotiations and said to the students, you have 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:53.280 two o'clock until two o'clock to leave the encampment or 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.199 face suspension, and you will not be able to graduate 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:02.280 those who are seniors. Now again, it backfired because recall 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.559 when the president of the university called the police on 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:12.880 her own students that sparked this nationwide campus movement. Now, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.960 I ask you, Danielle Moody and your audience. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:21.120 When was the last time some students in Texas, particularly 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.240 Austin University of Tennessee, been in solidarity with the rest 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:26.240 of us on something like this. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.040 I can't, I couldn't. I couldn't name a time. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.640 There was this Texas sister, a white sister outside with 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.960 me yesterday and she pointed that out to me. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:38.480 Gained unchanged. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:40.600 So I just want to leave that there for a minute, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:46.640 all right. So President not in her wisdom, did not listen. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:48.559 Daniel You and I have actually have a couple of 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:54.720 friends on the faculty, people we know. They tried to say, 0:09:55.160 --> 0:10:00.560 you know, you need to not do this. And she's new, 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.840 by the way, this president of Columbia. The only reason 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:10.400 she wasn't at the hearing with the black president, woman 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:11.640 president of Harvard. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.680 And the right yep. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.679 Was because she had a prior engagement. She went last 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.800 week later, but she would have been in that row 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.720 of three. She's very I think she's only been there 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:29.000 since October. In fairness, it is my understanding that her 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.880 decision to call the police was based upon her she 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.360 was the former president of London School Economics. Calling the 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.360 police in London is different from calling the police here. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.720 They don't carry with them, that's right. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.040 And they have, believe it or not, our former colonizers 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.760 handle these situations a little bit better. I mean, I 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.240 know that for what I've seen some situations. They're not 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.079 coming in to kill. They kind of they know how 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:57.599 to do that. They also not shoot each other in 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.959 the street either, So that's a whole other conversation. Maybe 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.200 we might need to move over there. But anyway, they 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.560 have the gun mass shooting piece under control. So when 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.480 she called the police, it is my understanding she was 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:16.120 calling from that crossed upon experience, and anyway, the result 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.200 actually helped the movement. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.400 And now we have and a. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.400 So largely unquantifiable number of students in the streets. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:26.839 All right. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.520 So on April twenty ninth, Monday, April twenty ninth, she 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.040 draws another line in the stand, saying the students say no. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.600 And so at midnight April thirtieth, they took over Hamilton Hall. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.600 So now that's a big deal. We take over a building. 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:51.720 One would think that negotiations would resume, but they have not, 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.400 and we'll just have to wait and see. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:57.679 What happens. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.640 I will say this that there have been calls for 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.200 the National Guard to be brought in, and this is 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.079 not the first time. I want everybody to listen to 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.200 me very carefully. If the National Guard moves on Columbia 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.760 and then other governors follow New York Governor hocals lead, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:19.600 we will. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:24.079 Literally be reliving nineteen sixty eight. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.040 When LBJ had to drop out of the race because 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:32.160 of the Vietnam War protests the Biden administration. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.640 And I'm not saying this to be confrontational. We try 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.440 to folks. You know how, Daniel, you try to help 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:37.800 people and they don't really want to help. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.160 So I want to tell you so you can only 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:40.480 help people that want to help them. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.880 Hello, what opens with people tell you who they are believing. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.680 So this I'm about to make a helpful statement Biden 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:49.440 White House. And I'm not saying anything i haven't said 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.880 over the phone. You are handing this election to Trump 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.720 if you don't figure this out, and stopping at Yahoo 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.600 from your stuff that Yahoo is an ally of Putin 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:04.640 and an ally of Trump. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:06.760 Richard Haass of. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.200 The Council on Foreign Relations was on Morning Joe every 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.079 morning for the past three weeks saying that Morning Joe 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.440 was agreeing to it, but now depending on the swamp 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.720 because some people in this country have been saying no, no, no, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.040 we got to identify these students as anti Semitic and 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.840 that there's some personal safety in danger. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.840 I am there at Columbus. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.719 No, Columbia, no people are under any personal safety or endangerment. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.840 That has some foods on the outside, which we call provocateurs, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.280 which every movement has, but they're not students, they're just 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:40.359 representing themselves. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:41.640 But I've been there. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.480 That campus is not unsafe. And so they've got to 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.680 do something about this because the narrative that we know 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.679 what's are in the sixty eight Chicago we about to 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.960 do twenty twenty four cargo, same thing is about to 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.080 happen again, and so they've got to figure this out. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:00.959 Stop attacking these students again. Folks were looking at generational piece. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.760 I'll stop there, but I want to come back to 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.600 that later when you ask me about what this actually 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.560 means in November and what it actually means to the 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.760 most important segment of the electorate that will decide November, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:16.400 and that's women. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.440 As I am watching this unfold, there is no part 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.600 of me that thinks that this is not going to 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:33.480 end badly. And the reason why I say that is 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:38.440 because the systems and the people that control the systems 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:46.040 are not paying attention. And this was one campus that 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:54.520 turned into a nationwide solidarity movement that has reached Gaza 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:59.280 with their signs and graffiti that says we see you, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:00.480 thank you. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:01.520 Right. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:07.600 So what I am seeing, Mark is that there has 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:13.440 never been, to my knowledge, a student movement centered around 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:19.800 justice that has been wrong historically. So, whether it was 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:26.720 apartheid in South Africa, whether it was Jim Crow segregation 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:32.520 in the nineteen fifties and sixties, whether it was the 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:38.160 Vietnam War, there hasn't been student led movements that have 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.480 been on the wrong side of history. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:41.600 And so. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.520 When we're watching this now and they're trying to couch 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.280 these young people as a bunch of radical anti Semites, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:56.720 how does that tone and tenor that mainstream media is 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.840 taking in cahoots with this administration in Kohu, with the 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:06.200 political establishment. How do the student to reclaim the narrative 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.200 so that what they are asking for is not being 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.400 discounted because they're being couched. Now, all of these students 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.200 at these elite institutions as somehow a bunch of thugs 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.440 and criminals that just you know, decided to turn on 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:26.200 their university and ratchet up anti Semitism and. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.600 The I'll answer that your question that you're asking me. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.440 I'll add to the question that you're asking myself. Aren't 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.920 weren't we weren't or not we weren't. Wasn't Israel supposed 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.560 to be trying to get Hamas or they trying to. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.040 Get students unclear? 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.640 See you focused on Hamas. Hamas don't have thirty five 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.720 thousand members. These are civilians. You've killing, non enemy combatants, 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.120 non combatants, non enemies. 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.040 Reclaiming the narrative I. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:59.120 Think is still students holding their ground. However, there are 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.160 many ways to do that. Whether you occupied the building, 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.560 I mean the schools about to be out in a 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.120 lot of these places, and logistically it makes it challenging 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:11.280 the whole buildings when school is out Uh, these administrations 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.000 may have the authority of schools out dreams supposed to 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.000 be and we just get you out of here one or. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:19.280 See. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.600 I've been a student, so I've watched what the other 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.480 side does. I can see them saying, Okay, y'all just 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:27.639 stay here, but we going on vacation. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.520 We'll see when we get back in September. You know 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:31.880 what I'm saying. So you don't want that either. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.160 So it's this is something we've got to figure out, 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:37.920 and the students have to figure out. I think those 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.600 of us in our position are here to advise, but 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.720 ultimately these are decisions that they that they must make. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.200 And I think there are steps in negotiation. I mean, 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.639 we're got to reinvent the wheel. We have the model 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.840 of MLK. And some negotiations went on and on and 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.919 on and on and on, and there were fits and 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:03.000 stars to them. Sometimes there was direct action, sometimes there wasn't. 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.199 So you can have a period of direct action, then 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.439 a period of non diirect action and negotiation, and then 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:10.720 got another period of direct action. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.520 But you have to and I would say to. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.560 The students, and I intend to say that there's more 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:22.800 to them. You got to have a movement mentality. We're 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:27.600 in a movement, not a moment. So so do we 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.240 really want to build like we see? The first two 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.240 movement I was involved in as a freshman eighteen years old, 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.040 South Africa and divestment. The university is too divest from 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.439 South Africa. That's why this is the same thing. And 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.720 we won, but there was some It was a process. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.760 It wasn't we took over buildings one night the first thing. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.960 That wasn't the first thing we did, and then everybody folded. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.840 It took time and took pressure. We got it done, 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.640 and you know, I feel some students. I think there's 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.359 another element in this because some students are here on 0:18:59.400 --> 0:18:59.960 student visa. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.360 They have a fear of retaliation. So I gotta get 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.480 it all done while I can. I get that. So 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.200 it's complicated. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:13.560 And so that's sort of the that's not an absolute 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.439 answer to your question, but I would just say to 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:22.919 get that back to reclaim the moral authority from the 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:27.359 self righteous media who also is blaming, Well, these students 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.520 gonna lect Donald Trump. Nobody's gonna lect Donald Trump. Not 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:34.840 students don't waging a war, then y'allhoo is gonna reelect 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:35.399 Donald Trump. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.600 The students want this to stop. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:43.080 So you reclaim the moral authority by building a movement. 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.080 And I don't know who's doing it. I hope somebody 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.800 started this, but I'm gonna say it out loud. I'm 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.600 gonna say it to the students the next time I 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.920 speak to them. Somebody needs to be organizing all these 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.800 students on all these campuses so that you have a 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.680 collective movement. And then when school comes back in September, 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.199 you got to again. You hit it, and you hit 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:07.960 it hard. That's really I think how you you you you? 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.000 Politics is about who out organized as who. This is 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.480 a war, not just one battle. These are battles and 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.920 skirmishes on these canvas. We are in a war for 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.159 peace and non violence in Gaza against the war of 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.679 violence that is being waged in Gaza. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.959 But we're you know, the problem that I think There 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.880 are several that I think that these students are facing. 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.680 But one of them is the fact that if I 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.639 am labeled as an anti Semite, then no one is 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:43.760 going to listen to you. So so even if which 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:48.760 I believe is that the cause is righteous on the 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:54.680 right side of history, centered around humanity and justice, if 0:20:55.320 --> 0:21:01.280 everything is drilled down to broken windows and anti Semitism, 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.080 then no one is going to listen to you. So 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:10.639 I believe, like Jurassic Times, call for drastic measures. I 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:14.800 believe in taking over buildings, right because guess what they 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.800 wanted to be on the campus. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.400 In an encampment and you fuck that up? 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.320 You know? So now the president created the avenue and 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.239 the space for this. Right, instead of saying, you know 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.320 what we need is a town hall? Do you know 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:32.119 what we need? 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:32.920 Right? 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:37.240 Is the understanding that we're all trying to operate in 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:42.560 good faith. Right, that Columbia University has been investing in 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:47.040 a lot of fuckery over the course of the school's history, Right, Like, 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.600 this is not the first unjust thing that they have done. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.000 So let us be really. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.520 Open and transparent about whose campus this has always been. 0:21:56.080 --> 0:22:03.760 But I wonder, Mark, is this This administration is not 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.720 engaging in this in the right way. They're not engaging 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:11.200 in this frigging war in the right way. I don't 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:13.920 know how anybody continues to get a blank check when 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:18.119 you are showing yourself, based on the Geneva Convention, to 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.600 be a fucking war criminal. I don't know how you 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:27.879 have rules of engagement. You break those rules and you 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:33.360 there's there's no accountability for it. So if I'm never 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.879 going to be told that I'm wrong, what's the incentive 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:38.119 for me to stop doing wrong. 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:41.000 Well, so to the first. 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.240 Part, I really manage it's a regeneration because it's a 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:48.320 new one. I don't think they wean First of I'll 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.200 say this. You know some of the students were cursing 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.359 around you. Ask man, I called your name, and so 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.520 we saw a reverend you manus cursing around you. I said, no, 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:55.680 Daniel Moody does it all the time. 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.480 There's no problem. I'd accept that. That's no thing. 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:05.439 The students this generation are not intimidated by the anti 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:11.560 Semitic label that is dying, that weaponization of their terminology. 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.600 This is all generational. I'm gonna sound like Fannie Willison. 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.000 Now you want you want to head a conversation, you. 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:19.000 Can have that conversation. 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:24.959 Conversation will checked this out Joe Biden's generation where you 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:32.320 have Jews, some of whom are still living direct survivors 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:37.360 of the Holocaust. So I get that. I get that 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.879 whole thing. And then those had I mean just you 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.240 got their children. You know who wouldn't be here. And 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:46.639 then you got the Joe Biden's of the world, the 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:50.280 Irish Catholics, other people in Europe who allowed it to 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.879 happen and turned the blind eye to it. 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:54.879 So you can hold that old people's head as long 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.520 as they're lave. You didn't do nothing about this. I'm 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.080 just talking about the Holocaust, not now. Clearly we can 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.480 save because we're not allowed to. But but I'm not 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.160 knocking that because you did y'all. That happened. 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.200 Y'all were cool with Hitler putting Jews in ovens as 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:10.560 long as he'd invade in the countries. 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:13.760 I hope that got heard what I just said. 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:20.399 So it's hard for somebody in that generation to say 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.680 to the Jewish people. 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.400 Well, you know, I'm gonna just not then y'all who 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:28.159 do this. Now. 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.600 On the other hand, you have the next generation of 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.680 Jews coming from those parents who survived, and then a 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:37.639 couple of other generations below that who was saying, you 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:40.160 know what, They have a different mentality to say, Okay, 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.120 we know that haven that was horrible, but checked this out. 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.639 We can't justify you doing that to another group of people. 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.600 That's why you asked so many Jews Jewish students up here. 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.080