1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Look f Daily with 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: With so much going on in this country as it 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: pertains to the college campus protests that have spread across 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: the country, the brutalization of those protesters at the hands 6 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: of militarized police, I brought in for today's discussion our 7 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: friend and friend of the show, the Reverend Mark Thompson, 8 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: host of Make It Plain, to unpack what he has seen, 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: what he's been hearing, what he has participated in at Columbia. 10 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: This interview took place before Columbia University was invaded by 11 00:00:54,760 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: the NYPD, thousands of NYPD officers, and so I am 12 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: just at a loss particularly that as of the time 13 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: of this recording, Joe Biden came out and did a 14 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: very short press conference where he reprimanded those that are 15 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: protesting and said that there can be descend without you know, 16 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: their being disorder in what fucking world? In what fucking 17 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: world does that look like? Right? In order for people 18 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: to affect change, things get messy, right, particularly when the 19 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: laws that are put in front of us are bullshit. 20 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: Right. 21 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: So, according to then Joe Biden MLK was a problem, 22 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: which he was right given the fact that he was 23 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: assassinated for organizing nonviolent protests that people found disruptive. Right 24 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: people found it disruptive that black people were boycotting, that 25 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: they were going into segregated spaces in order to integrate them. Right, 26 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: they were seen as rabel rouse, they were seen as 27 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: trouble makers. Now, of course, history wants to look back 28 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: on those people as courageous and heroes, the same way 29 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: that we will look back on the young people that 30 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: decided to fight back against an entire right system that 31 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: is complicit in murder and destruction. So I bring in 32 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: our friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson to you know, to 33 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: walk us through where we are and where we are headed. 34 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: But as of this recording, folks, it doesn't feel good. 35 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: I continue to applaud the young people of this country 36 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: that have sparked movements around the world. I'm proud of 37 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: their commitment, of their courage, and of their no bullshit attitude. 38 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: And you know the other thing that I will say 39 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: is that the Boomer generation and not Gen X, because 40 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: I refuse to loop in Gen X to this, because 41 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: the generation is so small but the boomer generation failed 42 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: these young people because they're still in fucking power. As 43 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: you can look at the ages in Congress and the 44 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: current president of the United States. 45 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: These are young people. 46 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: You know why they're so fearless because they've grown up 47 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: with mass shootings being the norm in their schools, where 48 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: they've lost classmates right and family members to mass shootings 49 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: that happen all across this country because we don't care 50 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: about keeping. 51 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: Our kids safe. 52 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: They were told that, you know, if they just work hard, 53 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: they too will be able to have a peace of 54 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: the American dream. And now they have crushing debt. And 55 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: that is just to name two things off the top 56 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: of my head. But coming up next my conversation with 57 00:03:53,800 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: our good friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson. I am so 58 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: excited to welcome back to Woke Affid Daily our friend, 59 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: friend of mine and friend of the show, the Reverend 60 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Mark Thompson, host of Make It Plain and also Mark, 61 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: you are currently acting as one of the interfaith leaders 62 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: working with the students at Columbia who are in the 63 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: midst of protests that has sparked nationwide protests on institutions divestment. 64 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: From Israel, and you have been on the ground. 65 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: Understanding what the sentiments of the students are, how the 66 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: community around Columbia University has been reacting, which we are 67 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: not hearing or seeing. I saw you most recently on 68 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: Joy's show on MSNBC, alongside one of the Columbia students. 69 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: Tell us what is happening. 70 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: I will just start there because I turned on the 71 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: news today and for twenty minutes I saw the same 72 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: video of a hammer breaking a window of a building. 73 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: And I know from media what that is supposed to 74 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: invoke and what the White House has said as of 75 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: the time of this recording, which is that peaceful protests 76 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: don't take over buildings. In my humble opinion, the White House, 77 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has been reacting to this in entirely 78 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: wrong ways. 79 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: Tell us what. 80 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: The media is getting wrong and what is actually happening 81 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: on the grounds of Columbia University as love right now. 82 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, first and foremost, hey girl, it's you. 83 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: Look at you hard. 84 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a lot to get caught upon, and 85 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: God bless you the work af audience. I appreciate this, 86 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 4: you know. I kind of pride myself. I don't talk 87 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 4: about me on my own show. I think it's kind 88 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 4: of rude. I don't like people do that. If I 89 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 4: have a guest, people want to hear against only any 90 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: run in my mouth, And if you notice you when 91 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 4: I post a clip, you almost never. 92 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: Hear my voice. I want people to hear against them. 93 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: So it's good when you know. 94 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: When I have something to share, it to somebody like 95 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 4: you brings me on because what I'm about to share 96 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: I probably won't even share on my own show, and 97 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 4: you'd have to get it from here. So so y'all 98 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 4: spread the word on walk. So just to be clear, 99 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: for the past two Sundays, I've been a part of 100 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 4: the worship service in the encampment at Columbia University. 101 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: Of this past Sunday, I was actually asked to organize 102 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: a worship service. 103 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: Fully, it was inter faith Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, traditional African spirituality. 104 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 4: We poor libations and then I preached to Christian sermon. 105 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 4: So I have kind of been in this in this role. 106 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: Let me first of all say that this has been 107 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: a non violent, peaceful protest. It is false to say 108 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: non violent, peaceful protests don't take over buildings because throughout history, 109 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 4: student movements have taken over buildings we can go to. 110 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: I shut down campuses, shut down Georgetown, shut down Howard, 111 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: shut down u DC my in my lifetime, and and 112 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: developed an interesting reputation because of that's we can do 113 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: a whole other show on that. So I've got some 114 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 4: expertise in that. Now, we when we did it did 115 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: not necessarily damage property, and if so, it was unintentional. 116 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: They're saying these students allegedly damaged property, but these videos. 117 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: I was there. 118 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: Right after the building was taken over and was not 119 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: able to see any evidence of damaged property. But it's 120 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 4: a big building, So I just leave that there. That 121 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: remains to be seen at this hour. Though I think 122 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 4: we would all have to agree that property damage is 123 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: preferable anyway, if that's what it is to person physical damage, 124 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: which is what happens when the police and the National 125 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: Guard and stuff like that show up. So at this moment, 126 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 4: negotiations are stalled, and this is an you know, this 127 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: is a fluid situation, so by the time we've done 128 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 4: that may change. But April twenty ninth, the university administration 129 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: cut off negotiations and said to the students, you have 130 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 4: two o'clock until two o'clock to leave the encampment or 131 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 4: face suspension, and you will not be able to graduate 132 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: those who are seniors. Now again, it backfired because recall 133 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 4: when the president of the university called the police on 134 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: her own students that sparked this nationwide campus movement. Now, 135 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 4: I ask you, Danielle Moody and your audience. 136 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: When was the last time some students in Texas, particularly 137 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: Austin University of Tennessee, been in solidarity with the rest 138 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: of us on something like this. 139 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: I can't, I couldn't. I couldn't name a time. 140 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 4: There was this Texas sister, a white sister outside with 141 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 4: me yesterday and she pointed that out to me. 142 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: Gained unchanged. 143 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 4: So I just want to leave that there for a minute, 144 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: all right. So President not in her wisdom, did not listen. 145 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 4: Daniel You and I have actually have a couple of 146 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 4: friends on the faculty, people we know. They tried to say, 147 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: you know, you need to not do this. And she's new, 148 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 4: by the way, this president of Columbia. The only reason 149 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 4: she wasn't at the hearing with the black president, woman 150 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: president of Harvard. 151 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: And the right yep. 152 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: Was because she had a prior engagement. She went last 153 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: week later, but she would have been in that row 154 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: of three. She's very I think she's only been there 155 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 4: since October. In fairness, it is my understanding that her 156 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 4: decision to call the police was based upon her she 157 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 4: was the former president of London School Economics. Calling the 158 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 4: police in London is different from calling the police here. 159 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: They don't carry with them, that's right. 160 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 4: And they have, believe it or not, our former colonizers 161 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 4: handle these situations a little bit better. I mean, I 162 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: know that for what I've seen some situations. They're not 163 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 4: coming in to kill. They kind of they know how 164 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 4: to do that. They also not shoot each other in 165 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 4: the street either, So that's a whole other conversation. Maybe 166 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 4: we might need to move over there. But anyway, they 167 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 4: have the gun mass shooting piece under control. So when 168 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 4: she called the police, it is my understanding she was 169 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: calling from that crossed upon experience, and anyway, the result 170 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: actually helped the movement. 171 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: And now we have and a. 172 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 4: So largely unquantifiable number of students in the streets. 173 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 3: All right. 174 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: So on April twenty ninth, Monday, April twenty ninth, she 175 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 4: draws another line in the stand, saying the students say no. 176 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: And so at midnight April thirtieth, they took over Hamilton Hall. 177 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: So now that's a big deal. We take over a building. 178 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: One would think that negotiations would resume, but they have not, 179 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: and we'll just have to wait and see. 180 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: What happens. 181 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: I will say this that there have been calls for 182 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 4: the National Guard to be brought in, and this is 183 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 4: not the first time. I want everybody to listen to 184 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 4: me very carefully. If the National Guard moves on Columbia 185 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 4: and then other governors follow New York Governor hocals lead, 186 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: we will. 187 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: Literally be reliving nineteen sixty eight. 188 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: When LBJ had to drop out of the race because 189 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: of the Vietnam War protests the Biden administration. 190 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this to be confrontational. We try 191 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: to folks. You know how, Daniel, you try to help 192 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: people and they don't really want to help. 193 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: So I want to tell you so you can only 194 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: help people that want to help them. 195 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: Hello, what opens with people tell you who they are believing. 196 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 4: So this I'm about to make a helpful statement Biden 197 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 4: White House. And I'm not saying anything i haven't said 198 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 4: over the phone. You are handing this election to Trump 199 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 4: if you don't figure this out, and stopping at Yahoo 200 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: from your stuff that Yahoo is an ally of Putin 201 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: and an ally of Trump. 202 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: Richard Haass of. 203 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 4: The Council on Foreign Relations was on Morning Joe every 204 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 4: morning for the past three weeks saying that Morning Joe 205 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: was agreeing to it, but now depending on the swamp 206 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 4: because some people in this country have been saying no, no, no, 207 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: we got to identify these students as anti Semitic and 208 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 4: that there's some personal safety in danger. 209 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: I am there at Columbus. 210 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 4: No, Columbia, no people are under any personal safety or endangerment. 211 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 4: That has some foods on the outside, which we call provocateurs, 212 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 4: which every movement has, but they're not students, they're just 213 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,359 Speaker 4: representing themselves. 214 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: But I've been there. 215 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: That campus is not unsafe. And so they've got to 216 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 4: do something about this because the narrative that we know 217 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 4: what's are in the sixty eight Chicago we about to 218 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 4: do twenty twenty four cargo, same thing is about to 219 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: happen again, and so they've got to figure this out. 220 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 4: Stop attacking these students again. Folks were looking at generational piece. 221 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: I'll stop there, but I want to come back to 222 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 4: that later when you ask me about what this actually 223 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 4: means in November and what it actually means to the 224 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 4: most important segment of the electorate that will decide November, 225 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: and that's women. 226 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: As I am watching this unfold, there is no part 227 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: of me that thinks that this is not going to 228 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: end badly. And the reason why I say that is 229 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: because the systems and the people that control the systems 230 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: are not paying attention. And this was one campus that 231 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: turned into a nationwide solidarity movement that has reached Gaza 232 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: with their signs and graffiti that says we see you, 233 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: thank you. 234 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: Right. 235 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: So what I am seeing, Mark is that there has 236 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: never been, to my knowledge, a student movement centered around 237 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: justice that has been wrong historically. So, whether it was 238 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: apartheid in South Africa, whether it was Jim Crow segregation 239 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties and sixties, whether it was the 240 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: Vietnam War, there hasn't been student led movements that have 241 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: been on the wrong side of history. 242 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: And so. 243 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: When we're watching this now and they're trying to couch 244 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: these young people as a bunch of radical anti Semites, 245 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: how does that tone and tenor that mainstream media is 246 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: taking in cahoots with this administration in Kohu, with the 247 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: political establishment. How do the student to reclaim the narrative 248 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: so that what they are asking for is not being 249 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: discounted because they're being couched. Now, all of these students 250 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: at these elite institutions as somehow a bunch of thugs 251 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: and criminals that just you know, decided to turn on 252 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: their university and ratchet up anti Semitism and. 253 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: The I'll answer that your question that you're asking me. 254 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: I'll add to the question that you're asking myself. Aren't 255 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: weren't we weren't or not we weren't. Wasn't Israel supposed 256 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 4: to be trying to get Hamas or they trying to. 257 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: Get students unclear? 258 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: See you focused on Hamas. Hamas don't have thirty five 259 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: thousand members. These are civilians. You've killing, non enemy combatants, 260 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 4: non combatants, non enemies. 261 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: Reclaiming the narrative I. 262 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 4: Think is still students holding their ground. However, there are 263 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 4: many ways to do that. Whether you occupied the building, 264 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: I mean the schools about to be out in a 265 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 4: lot of these places, and logistically it makes it challenging 266 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 4: the whole buildings when school is out Uh, these administrations 267 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: may have the authority of schools out dreams supposed to 268 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 4: be and we just get you out of here one or. 269 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: See. 270 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 4: I've been a student, so I've watched what the other 271 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 4: side does. I can see them saying, Okay, y'all just 272 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 4: stay here, but we going on vacation. 273 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: We'll see when we get back in September. You know 274 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So you don't want that either. 275 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 4: So it's this is something we've got to figure out, 276 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 4: and the students have to figure out. I think those 277 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: of us in our position are here to advise, but 278 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 4: ultimately these are decisions that they that they must make. 279 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: And I think there are steps in negotiation. I mean, 280 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 4: we're got to reinvent the wheel. We have the model 281 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 4: of MLK. And some negotiations went on and on and 282 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 4: on and on and on, and there were fits and 283 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: stars to them. Sometimes there was direct action, sometimes there wasn't. 284 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 4: So you can have a period of direct action, then 285 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 4: a period of non diirect action and negotiation, and then 286 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 4: got another period of direct action. 287 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: But you have to and I would say to. 288 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 4: The students, and I intend to say that there's more 289 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 4: to them. You got to have a movement mentality. We're 290 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 4: in a movement, not a moment. So so do we 291 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: really want to build like we see? The first two 292 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: movement I was involved in as a freshman eighteen years old, 293 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 4: South Africa and divestment. The university is too divest from 294 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 4: South Africa. That's why this is the same thing. And 295 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 4: we won, but there was some It was a process. 296 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: It wasn't we took over buildings one night the first thing. 297 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: That wasn't the first thing we did, and then everybody folded. 298 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 4: It took time and took pressure. We got it done, 299 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 4: and you know, I feel some students. I think there's 300 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 4: another element in this because some students are here on 301 00:18:59,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 4: student visa. 302 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 3: They have a fear of retaliation. So I gotta get 303 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: it all done while I can. I get that. So 304 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 3: it's complicated. 305 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 4: And so that's sort of the that's not an absolute 306 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 4: answer to your question, but I would just say to 307 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 4: get that back to reclaim the moral authority from the 308 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: self righteous media who also is blaming, Well, these students 309 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 4: gonna lect Donald Trump. Nobody's gonna lect Donald Trump. Not 310 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: students don't waging a war, then y'allhoo is gonna reelect 311 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 4: Donald Trump. 312 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: The students want this to stop. 313 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 4: So you reclaim the moral authority by building a movement. 314 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 4: And I don't know who's doing it. I hope somebody 315 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: started this, but I'm gonna say it out loud. I'm 316 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: gonna say it to the students the next time I 317 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 4: speak to them. Somebody needs to be organizing all these 318 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: students on all these campuses so that you have a 319 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 4: collective movement. And then when school comes back in September, 320 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 4: you got to again. You hit it, and you hit 321 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 4: it hard. That's really I think how you you you you? 322 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: Politics is about who out organized as who. This is 323 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 4: a war, not just one battle. These are battles and 324 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 4: skirmishes on these canvas. We are in a war for 325 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 4: peace and non violence in Gaza against the war of 326 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 4: violence that is being waged in Gaza. 327 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: But we're you know, the problem that I think There 328 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: are several that I think that these students are facing. 329 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: But one of them is the fact that if I 330 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: am labeled as an anti Semite, then no one is 331 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: going to listen to you. So so even if which 332 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: I believe is that the cause is righteous on the 333 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: right side of history, centered around humanity and justice, if 334 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: everything is drilled down to broken windows and anti Semitism, 335 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: then no one is going to listen to you. So 336 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: I believe, like Jurassic Times, call for drastic measures. I 337 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: believe in taking over buildings, right because guess what they 338 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: wanted to be on the campus. 339 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: In an encampment and you fuck that up? 340 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: You know? So now the president created the avenue and 341 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 1: the space for this. Right, instead of saying, you know 342 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: what we need is a town hall? Do you know 343 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: what we need? 344 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: Right? 345 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: Is the understanding that we're all trying to operate in 346 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: good faith. Right, that Columbia University has been investing in 347 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: a lot of fuckery over the course of the school's history, Right, Like, 348 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: this is not the first unjust thing that they have done. 349 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: So let us be really. 350 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: Open and transparent about whose campus this has always been. 351 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: But I wonder, Mark, is this This administration is not 352 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: engaging in this in the right way. They're not engaging 353 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: in this frigging war in the right way. I don't 354 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: know how anybody continues to get a blank check when 355 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: you are showing yourself, based on the Geneva Convention, to 356 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: be a fucking war criminal. I don't know how you 357 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: have rules of engagement. You break those rules and you 358 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: there's there's no accountability for it. So if I'm never 359 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: going to be told that I'm wrong, what's the incentive 360 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: for me to stop doing wrong. 361 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: Well, so to the first. 362 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 4: Part, I really manage it's a regeneration because it's a 363 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 4: new one. I don't think they wean First of I'll 364 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: say this. You know some of the students were cursing 365 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 4: around you. Ask man, I called your name, and so 366 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: we saw a reverend you manus cursing around you. I said, no, 367 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 4: Daniel Moody does it all the time. 368 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: There's no problem. I'd accept that. That's no thing. 369 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 4: The students this generation are not intimidated by the anti 370 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 4: Semitic label that is dying, that weaponization of their terminology. 371 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: This is all generational. I'm gonna sound like Fannie Willison. 372 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 4: Now you want you want to head a conversation, you. 373 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: Can have that conversation. 374 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 4: Conversation will checked this out Joe Biden's generation where you 375 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 4: have Jews, some of whom are still living direct survivors 376 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 4: of the Holocaust. So I get that. I get that 377 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 4: whole thing. And then those had I mean just you 378 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 4: got their children. You know who wouldn't be here. And 379 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 4: then you got the Joe Biden's of the world, the 380 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 4: Irish Catholics, other people in Europe who allowed it to 381 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 4: happen and turned the blind eye to it. 382 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 3: So you can hold that old people's head as long 383 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: as they're lave. You didn't do nothing about this. I'm 384 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: just talking about the Holocaust, not now. Clearly we can 385 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: save because we're not allowed to. But but I'm not 386 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: knocking that because you did y'all. That happened. 387 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 4: Y'all were cool with Hitler putting Jews in ovens as 388 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 4: long as he'd invade in the countries. 389 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: I hope that got heard what I just said. 390 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 4: So it's hard for somebody in that generation to say 391 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: to the Jewish people. 392 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm gonna just not then y'all who 393 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 3: do this. Now. 394 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 4: On the other hand, you have the next generation of 395 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 4: Jews coming from those parents who survived, and then a 396 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 4: couple of other generations below that who was saying, you 397 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 4: know what, They have a different mentality to say, Okay, 398 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 4: we know that haven that was horrible, but checked this out. 399 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: We can't justify you doing that to another group of people. 400 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 4: That's why you asked so many Jews Jewish students up here. 401 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 4: I mean, the rabbis were with me Sunday calling for 402 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: a ceasefire and we did the song. By the way, 403 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 4: everybody to go to ceasefiresong dot com. It's also available 404 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 4: on Spotify and Apple it tunes Ceasefire with Iana Gregory 405 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 4: got Rabbi is on that the clock is chicken, so 406 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: that the NN Yahoo is no different from the Trumps 407 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 4: and some of the religious nationalists in this country. This 408 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: is their last gasp yep. All right, So these these kids, yeah, 409 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 4: I know you know you and I probably still care 410 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 4: about that. I mean, I don't anybody to call me 411 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 4: and anti semi, but I'm at the point what can 412 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 4: I do about it. 413 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: I'm not. 414 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 4: And unfortunately no one has called me that I made 415 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 4: it very hard. But I know some people want to 416 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 4: say and they think it because in some respects some 417 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 4: people throw that word around like they do they in word. 418 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 4: I'm probably saying too much here, but I think that 419 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 4: this this thing is flipping and as each generation comes, 420 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 4: just like with women and row and all of these things, 421 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 4: you're finding people come forward to say, yeah, this is 422 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 4: a new generation, we got to do something different. There 423 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 4: are members of the Biden administration who get this, but 424 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 4: they are members of the administration who are not doing 425 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 4: him a good service. And I've even had a member 426 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 4: of Congress say to me whose name will remain anonymous, 427 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 4: that Joe Biden is not being well served by his 428 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 4: staff and has not been since he's been there. So 429 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 4: you know, some of this stuff just does not add up. 430 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 4: If you cannot afford as president of the United States, 431 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 4: the vice president of the first black president who needs 432 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 4: the black bass vote, you can't afford to go to 433 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 4: more House and get protested by the Landa University Center 434 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 4: and black students and black parents there because the people 435 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: who aren't like us and don't listen to us every 436 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 4: day and don't watch jord read every day. 437 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: This is out here, living. 438 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 4: Lives, black volte just regular black vote who aren't as 439 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 4: politically caught up like we are. When they see that picture, 440 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, something must be wrong. Maybe I don't 441 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 4: need to vote here. Maybe I do need to stay home. 442 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: Yep. 443 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 4: And I pleaded with people, say we always we know 444 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 4: we can't have Trump, so please, Hey, I'm on the 445 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 4: phone with you. This is what you need to do. 446 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 4: I should do it more like the teacher Charlie. 447 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: Brown, wan't wa want wa wanh wa want, don't get it? 448 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 4: Don't just literally do not get it, And that pushed. 449 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 3: Us all in great peril. Let me just let me 450 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: just say this because I teased it. Let me just. 451 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: Say it was a movie in Meryl Street. Sophie's choice 452 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 4: she had in the book too. She had to choose 453 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 4: between which child the sacrifice this was supposed to be. 454 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: Remember remember in November, every election since Dobbs at Overturn Row, 455 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: women have made the decision. When if women decide, it's over. 456 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 4: You know, don't even worry about all these rappers and 457 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 4: black men run around talking. 458 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 3: It it's right now. 459 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 4: There's a set pretty much every the same percentage of 460 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 4: black men who vote for a Republican and saying it's 461 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: not going that's not even a big deal. 462 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 3: Just you don't even spend a lot of time on that. 463 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: We need to educate these younger brothers. 464 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 4: But with Gaza, you hurt, You hurt us, you hurt 465 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 4: the mobilization, you hurt young people who you need to vote. 466 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 4: And you are naive if you think the generation above 467 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,239 Speaker 4: them is an also disaffected. But here's where comes down. 468 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 4: To women, women who are going to make the decision, 469 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 4: and specifically black women and suburban, college educated white women. 470 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 4: Those are the two demographics that are going to decide. Now, 471 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: it helps that you've got to row on the ballot 472 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 4: in Florida and row on the ballot in Arizona. But 473 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: when it comes to the presidency, and this is what 474 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 4: will determine whether role will ever be restored. See, if 475 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: Trump gets back in, he's gonna put new judges on 476 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 4: and they're going. 477 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: To pass a federal law banning abortion. 478 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 4: Bion's not going to do that. He's going to pass 479 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 4: a federal law reinstating role if he gets reelected. But 480 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: women are in this Sophi's choice. Do I vote for 481 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 4: my own body and my own choice versus voting for 482 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 4: someone who is allowing a genocide to happen right before 483 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 4: my very eyes as a hell of a choice. I mean, 484 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 4: it really really is. And people should not be put 485 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 4: in that position. There should be no genocide and there 486 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: should be women's rights restored. But the Biden administration has 487 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: gotta figure that out and get it. And see, ultimately, 488 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 4: if you put a human being in that box, then yo, 489 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 4: even if you figure out an answer, and I'm figured 490 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 4: out yet. 491 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it. How do we deal with that? 492 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: How do I how do I say to people, you 493 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: still got. 494 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 4: To vote for this new I'm working through that. We'll 495 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 4: talk about that on the next show. I'm in prayer 496 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 4: about that. But even if we figure that out, you 497 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 4: still have built some resentment in me towards you that 498 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 4: you have even put me in that situation. 499 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: Now all gone choice. 500 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 4: I know you have left up everything, the spirit, the movement, anything, 501 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: and then you want to go to moles. 502 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: But I'm not trying to put you down. I'm saying 503 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 3: you all need to hear me. 504 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: You can't go to doctor King's alma mater, whose life 505 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 4: was ultimately taken for standing against the Vietnam War. 506 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 3: Huh. They didn't kill him when he was in Montgomery. 507 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 4: It was the Vietnam War movement that was so large 508 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: when they saw, wait a minute, look at all these 509 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 4: white folks coming around doctor King. 510 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 3: He really is a bigger threat. 511 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 4: One year to today that he announced his opposition gone, 512 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 4: you're going to go to his alma mater. 513 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: And stand there. And then on the very. 514 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 4: Day May nineteenth that Malcolm X was born, and what 515 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 4: do you think you're going to gain from that. There 516 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 4: is I'm telling you, this is not what I'm predicting. 517 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: This is what I know, and it's not. My hand 518 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 4: isn't in it because I haven't organized anybody. 519 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: I don't know this. 520 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 4: You know some things we don't have to do. We 521 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 4: didn't organize these student protests. These are organic. There's going 522 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 4: to be a mass demonstration against Joseph Robin ed Biden 523 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 4: at the Atlanta University campus at Lanta University Center where 524 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 4: Martin Luther King went to school on Malcolm Mix's birthday, 525 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 4: on Malcolm X. 526 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: Nay, you can't write this shit. 527 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: I know that I have to rap soon, but I'm 528 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: just like, this is I gotta say, Mark, this has 529 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: gotta be the most apocalyptic time I have ever seen 530 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: in my. 531 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: Decades of life. 532 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: That the cataclysm of events that are taking place right now, 533 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: no bodily autonomy, rise of LGBTQ, anti LGBTQ bills, five 534 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: hundred plus book banning, environmental mess, student uprising, a complete 535 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: and total genocide that we are watching in real time 536 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 1: on our own stations, not relying on mainstream news to 537 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: filter through what I need to see, but seeing every 538 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: goddamn thing and a moral less and grifting Supreme Court. 539 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: And we have less than two hundred days until this election. 540 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: Please dear, like you want to talk about somebody who 541 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: who is praying on a regular basis. I've been praying. 542 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: I've been praying for the last seven eight years, right, 543 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: And I mean that seriously. This is like I have 544 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: been cussing. Yeah, I don't know where the light is. Oh, 545 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: because my God, my God knows who I am. 546 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't have to I don't 547 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: have to fame. I don't have to fame that I 548 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: don't know. 549 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 3: But I or thou has searched me, and you know me. 550 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: So I don't understand how we're gonna get from A. 551 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: To Z. 552 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: I don't understand how we are going to get out 553 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: of this with an administration that does not see the 554 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: writing on the wall. They believe that saying that Donald 555 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: Trump is going to be worse is enough. And people 556 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: looking around them and they said, I already don't have 557 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: abortion rights. You kick my kid out of school, my 558 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: gay kid. I had to move states in order for 559 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: them to be able to even possibly have a future. 560 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: I just last word to you honestly, where does the 561 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: student movement lead us? 562 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: Do you think? 563 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: I think it leads us every place. It always has. 564 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 4: It's been the student movement that's made the difference. It's 565 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 4: been the student movement that led the civil rights movement. 566 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 4: It was the students in India with Gandi, it was 567 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 4: the students. The South African freedom struggle began with a 568 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 4: student movement, and what was going on in Saway till 569 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 4: what they were trying to make the students learn in 570 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six, trying to make them learn Afrikaans and 571 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 4: they didn't want to. So it's always been the young people. 572 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 4: I am here, Whatever you all think of me, I 573 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 4: exist because there was a student movement and it was 574 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 4: one I was involved in in my generation. This is 575 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 4: what happens, and this is the youth in these situations. 576 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 4: You can't expose people to hire knowledge and higher learning 577 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 4: and expect them to just to remain stupid. 578 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 3: They're going to question, they're going to be inquisitive. 579 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 4: And let me just shout out again, there are a 580 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 4: lot of faculty and even some in administration whenever this 581 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 4: happens who were like, yeah, yeah, this is we're with 582 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 4: the students. 583 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 3: You know you trip it. You don't need to do this. 584 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 3: And so this. 585 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 4: Universally confirmed that this is the largest resistance in history 586 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 4: to the mistreatment of the Palestinian people since the establishment 587 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 4: of the State of Israel. 588 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: So just like these students. 589 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 4: Are going to have to come to some negotiation and 590 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 4: hopefully get whatever gains they get or not. I mean, 591 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 4: everything is a negotiation. It's time for the next generation. 592 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 4: And they don't put on the news all the Israelis 593 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 4: that are protesting and Yahoo every day because you're by 594 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 4: getting some house, you're gonna get some hostages. You're not 595 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 4: blowing up stuff, you're not killing hostages, You're going to 596 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 4: get them. And it's high time a new generation of 597 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 4: leadership was there whenever you even have a Chuck Schumer 598 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 4: say that. Now he's quiet, but he said that before 599 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 4: a generation that realizes there has to be coexistence. Not 600 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 4: the king said we've got to co exist. One group 601 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 4: can annihilate the other. So the only solution is for 602 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 4: the record mission of a Palestinian state as well as 603 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 4: an Israeli state. The problem is it's all Palestine would 604 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 4: be the most jerry man that chopped up country in 605 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 4: the world because the way it's split all up in 606 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 4: the way they You know, when you got Jared. 607 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 3: Kushni saying, well, this is beach front property, we clear 608 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 3: our gaza. 609 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 4: You got putin saying BB then Yahoo, if you stay 610 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 4: out of Ukraine, even though there's so many Jews there 611 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 4: and the Jews and the president is Jewish, stay out 612 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 4: of that. 613 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 3: Not only will I let you. 614 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 4: I'll not use my missile defense systems when you launch 615 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 4: bombs in the Middle East. Once I went in Ukraine, 616 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 4: I'll relocate all the Gazans, I mean, all the Ukrainian 617 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 4: Jews in the Gaza. And then Cushion says, well, we want 618 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 4: to do that because we want to gentrify it. So 619 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 4: you know, that's that's what's going on. 620 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's Jeff, We're going to have to 621 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: leave it here today. But let me tell you, I 622 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: need you back after you are, you know, gain more 623 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: information on what is going on, and we figure out 624 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: where we are in the next week or so. Thank you, Mark, 625 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: Thank you for every every single thing that you do 626 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: and everything this single thing that you say in front 627 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: and behind the mic. 628 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. 629 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 3: I appreciate you. 630 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 4: Please keep me and keep these students, all of. 631 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 3: Us in your career. 632 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 2: That is it for me today. 633 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: Dear friends on wokef as always, power to the people 634 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: and to all the people. 635 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 2: Power, Get woke and stay woke as fuck.