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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuffan

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Speaker 1: Never Told You production of By Heart Radio, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to an episode that is very timely. So today the

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Speaker 1: date is October second, twenty twenty five. As we record this,

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Speaker 1: you can see our past episode that we did on

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Speaker 1: crisis pregnancy centers or CPCs about this and several episodes

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Speaker 1: we don't bridget about abortion and tech. But yeah, we

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Speaker 1: thought we would come back and do an update because

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Speaker 1: things have changed since we first did that episode. But

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Speaker 1: before we get into that, let's establish a definition of

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. According to Planned Parenthood, Quote, pregnancy

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Speaker 1: centers also called CPCs, unregulated pregnancy centers or UPCs, or

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Speaker 1: fake clinics are clinics or mobile vans that look like

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Speaker 1: real health centers, but they're run by anti abortion activists

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Speaker 1: who have a shady, harmful agenda to scare, shame, or

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Speaker 1: pressure you out of getting an abortion, and to tell

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Speaker 1: lies about abortion, birth control, and sexual health. Most crisis

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Speaker 1: pregnancy centers aren't legitimate medical clinics, so they don't have

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Speaker 1: to abide by HIPPA and keep your information private like

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Speaker 1: most real healthcare providers do. These crisis pregnancy centers could

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Speaker 1: even give your information to other anti abortion organizations or

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Speaker 1: use it to harass you. This could be especially concerning

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Speaker 1: if you live in a state with anti abortion laws.

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Speaker 1: They're typically conservative and faith based. They look like real clinics,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of times are purposefully located next to

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Speaker 1: legitimate clinics or college campuses. Basically, they'll promise you all

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Speaker 1: kinds of support in return for watching their educational and

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Speaker 1: heavy quotes, movies, or lectures, and often it's all all

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Speaker 1: of it's a lie. Like the movies, the lectures, the

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Speaker 1: promise of supplies, none of it's true, and they will

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Speaker 1: not help you get an abortion or birth control. While

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Speaker 1: the staff present themselves as medical professionals, they dress like

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Speaker 1: medical professionals, many of them are anti abortionists with zero training.

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Speaker 1: They feed patients false information about how abortions lead to cancer,

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Speaker 1: They show them these scary videos, They give them incorrect

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Speaker 1: do dates because they want to stall those that come

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Speaker 1: in looking for reproductive care so that they fall outside

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Speaker 1: the legal abortion window or scare them out of pursuing

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Speaker 1: it at all. The longer someone waits to get an abortion,

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Speaker 1: the more risks there are of complications as well, health

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Speaker 1: complications as well as the goal comps. Recent reports indicate

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Speaker 1: that these centers outnumber abortion clinics three to one, and

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Speaker 1: those numbers probably need revising upwards, and they disproportionately impact

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Speaker 1: black women, low income women, and teens who lack access.

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Speaker 1: These groups are also the most likely to seek abortions,

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Speaker 1: in part because of lack of access and healthcare cost.

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Speaker 1: Lack of sex education is also a factor, in particular

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Speaker 1: when it comes to young folks. On top of outwardly

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Speaker 1: looking like an abortion clinic, they advertise low cost ultrasounds

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Speaker 1: and tests, which get a lot of people to come in.

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Speaker 1: They also offer a sort of baby books system where

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Speaker 1: you can earn points to buy things like diapers by

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Speaker 1: going to Bible school or attending their classes. The people

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Speaker 1: who run these clinics know that the US has a

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Speaker 1: deeply unequal healthcare system and they use that to their advantage.

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Speaker 2: Right and the numbers of these clinics only grew after

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Speaker 2: a ro Vie Wade was overturned, and this is according

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Speaker 2: to the Guardian. They're now quote at least twenty five

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Speaker 2: hundred CPCs as compared to just seven hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: five abortion clinics in the US, and as more and

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Speaker 2: more stories were coming out about women being forced to

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Speaker 2: carry out fatal, doomed pregnancies. After Roe was overturned, Republicans

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Speaker 2: wanted to reframe the issue and show how much they

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Speaker 2: quote cared about women's health with CPCs. Again reminder, they

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Speaker 2: do not have to have any kind of medical professional

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Speaker 1: Nope.

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Speaker 2: Not sure how that's going to help or show how

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Speaker 2: they care. So it's kind of odd, but you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and this got to the point that CPCs

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Speaker 1: are featured in a crossover episode between Station nineteen and

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Speaker 1: Grey's Anatomy.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I've seen it on several different other ones too,

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like SVU may have featured it, or

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Speaker 2: maybe it was Criminal Minds. It was something interesting. They

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Speaker 2: do have a moment where they'd show where teenagers are

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Speaker 2: being forced to have children in people's tax dicks in

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, this was news to me. This was news

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Speaker 1: to me. Okay, So this brings us to the updates.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to do this a bit differently than

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Speaker 2: So because the whole thing is chaotic and they do

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Speaker 2: feels cyclical. Butt it out of ordered way. So that

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Speaker 2: feels right.

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Speaker 1: Annie, Yeah, it does feel right. So we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: by like bullet points of updates. Okay, So first bullet

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Speaker 1: point is that we the American people, are funding these

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Speaker 1: our government. Between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty three, CPCs

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Speaker 1: received federal funding upwards of four hundred million dollars, and

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Speaker 1: that's according to a twenty twenty four study. This money

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Speaker 1: comes with little to no official oversight. In our state

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Speaker 1: of Georgia alone, an annual two million dollars in government

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Speaker 1: funding goes to CPCs. This while pregnant people are dying

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Speaker 1: Texas by far the most. Like shockingly, it's huge the gap.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like that's shocking. I guess I'm just

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Speaker 2: more shocked that the numbers for everybody else wasn't higher.

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Speaker 1: I guess I thought Florida would be closer to Texas, really,

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Speaker 2: that Mexico. They're on the border with Mexico, which does

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Speaker 2: give a little more access to a few of people.

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Speaker 2: That could be a whole different conversation that we have,

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Speaker 2: because Florida has Georgia, which is outlawed abortions as well,

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Speaker 2: crying in my own stuff, okay, yeah, And to be clear,

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Speaker 2: even without our tax dollars, this is a billion dollar industry.

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Speaker 2: But I do want to help point out one thing.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons that we've brought this subject back

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Speaker 2: is because in Gwinnett County, which holds a chunk of

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Speaker 2: This is our democratic people, by the way, and they

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two alone, they racked in about one

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Speaker 2: point seven billion dollars. However, they have not shown any

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Speaker 2: recent significant increase in customers, despite tax filing showing their

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Speaker 2: spending went up by forty five percent. Suspicials.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty suspicious and yeah, if you're wondering, there have

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Speaker 1: been multiple instances of tax fraud, over billing, and other

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Speaker 1: criminal activities in CPCs. The government continues to block any

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Speaker 1: led to the closure of thousands of CPCs. So basically,

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Speaker 1: people were trying to get this law passed that would

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Speaker 2: All right, because they want that information to the continue

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Speaker 2: harassing women and those who can get pregnant. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yes, In fact, Project twenty twenty five, which if you

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Speaker 1: somehow blessedly don't know, was this whole thing that was

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Trump just acknowledged it efficiently and

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Speaker 2: bringing in the person who helped create it to start

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Speaker 2: doing things as the government is currently shut down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this document included a whole section on abortion

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Speaker 1: data and reporting. Multiple states have introduced and sometimes passed

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Speaker 1: and collecting data on pregnant folks. And they frame all

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Speaker 1: these things through the lens of protecting women of course.

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Speaker 1: So there's that. Then, as recently mentioned, Google I made

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Speaker 1: about ten million dollars running ads for these fake clinics

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Speaker 1: about ten point two million dollars of ads on Google.

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Speaker 1: According to the Center for Countering Digital Hate, these ads

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Speaker 1: Google also accepted grants from the CPC organizations.

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Speaker 2: Just I know people don't research things, but in what

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Speaker 2: world do they think a reverse abortion? If they think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's so depressing in a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, exactly so.

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Speaker 2: According to Jessica Valentia, the largest CPC network in the US,

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Speaker 2: marital status, living situation, and a map showing where they live.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to make look like they're a real clinic.

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Speaker 2: Because there's something were to go wrong, and this includes

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Speaker 2: people who have health complications and many of the people

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Speaker 2: who can get pregnant, they have a miscarriage or some

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, we know seeing like pharmacists who have refused

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Speaker 1: Yes, and again like even before this, uh, not everyone

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Speaker 2: That's just the bigger part. And we would love for

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Speaker 1: Need or what they want exactly.

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Speaker 2: This is an act of hostage. We are like we

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Speaker 2: there's still good things happening. Again, the majority of us

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Speaker 2: Of course, the bigger protests are the anti abortion people, antichoys,

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Speaker 2: that is unreal. But the CPCs, there are those who

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Speaker 2: That's what brought attention to some of this conversation is

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