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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did

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Speaker 1: Cool Stuff, a podcast that does what it says in

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Speaker 1: the name of the podcast, because there's two ways to

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Speaker 1: name things, and one is direct and literal and one

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Speaker 1: is evocative. And usually go for evocative, but I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I went for a direct and literal post Martyr Kiljoy.

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Speaker 1: I'm a host of Cool People Did Cool Stuff and

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Speaker 1: one of the people who's cool and does cool stuff,

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Speaker 1: but isn't the subject of today's episode, but is instead.

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Speaker 1: The guest for today's episode is Cody Johnston. Hi, how

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, how are you? Thank you so much? What

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Speaker 2: a nice compliment. Oh, thank you. I hope to be

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Speaker 2: the subject of the podcast one day. Oh yeah, this

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Speaker 2: is your life. Yeah, you'll be a guest. Actually, for

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Speaker 2: the record, I would never listen to a podcast about myself.

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Speaker 2: Please nobody make that exist ever, No Hollywood story, please don't.

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Speaker 2: What have we made stuff up? Be like?

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Speaker 1: And then his life fell apart as he got into

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you have and haven't done, so

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Speaker 1: I don't want to like a joke and you actually

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Speaker 1: have struggled with the addiction, so but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have your opinions about politicians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my life is boring. One assumes no one will

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Speaker 2: ever know though, because there won't be a podcast about it.

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Speaker 1: That's true. What there will be a podcast about is

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Speaker 1: our producer, Sharenhi Sheren, How are you?

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Speaker 3: No? No, no, there won't.

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Speaker 1: Scharene welcome to this is your Life? Surprised, Thanks Margaret,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Yeah, Sharene's our producer today

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Speaker 1: and well it's actually always one of our producers, but

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Speaker 1: is our on mic producer today. So if you like

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Speaker 1: the show, it's in large part because of Shreene.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's very nice.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 1: Whenever people are like, ah, DII is the best, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I have done almost everything I do also DIY. And

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Speaker 1: you know what rules is like working with a team

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Speaker 1: of people that makes some good. It's so good. It's

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Speaker 1: so much better. And this is coming from a hard

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Speaker 1: introvert who doesn't like working with people. But one of

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Speaker 1: the people that I'm happy to work with is or

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Speaker 1: our audio engineer Hi Rori hi Rori, Hi Rory. And

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Speaker 1: also our the musical was written for us by own women.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know why I'm talking so fast? Why

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Speaker 1: am I talking so fast. It probably has to do

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Speaker 1: with the cookies that are on the table next to me.

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Speaker 1: Now I am realizing that I am in.

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Speaker 2: A sugar rush.

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Speaker 1: What a great way to podcast. Anyway, This is part

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Speaker 1: two in our two parter about the forty eight ers

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Speaker 1: from the Spirit of forty eight, the Good Sorry eight

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Speaker 1: and how a bunch of German immigrants came to America

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Speaker 1: and joined the abolitionist movement and are largely left out

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Speaker 1: of the story. I mean mostly it's the black abolitions

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Speaker 1: I mostly hear stories about all the immigrants were a

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Speaker 1: bunch of racists, which a lot of them were, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of them weren't. Anyway, you know what state

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Speaker 2: I do, but only because because I said that last time, Yeah, yeah, oh,

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say Utah, Oh.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty big. And also never on this show. We've

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Speaker 1: probably never done a Utah because I knew, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: our Lakota Resistance. It's the Dakota's more.

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Speaker 3: Montana is pretty big less, yes, I know.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's so many places I haven't done.

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Speaker 1: I have to keep having a job, so thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: That's why I have a job. We haven't gotten to

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Speaker 1: talk about cool people in Texas much, and when we did,

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Speaker 1: it was, of course Mexican immigrant laborers who unionized and

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Speaker 1: But here's maybe our only second Texas story, unless there's

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Speaker 1: another one I forgot. The first wave of German immigration

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we don't know how to pour our own tea.

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Speaker 1: This era is called aristocratic German Texas by the probably

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Speaker 1: When the revolutionary forty eight er Germans came over, they

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Speaker 1: like workers who split shingles for a living. This is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah.

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Speaker 1: These German ethnic enclaves were little anti slavery islands in

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Speaker 1: there were exceptions to this here and there, but overall,

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Speaker 2: There's always going to be a couple. Yeah, any group

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Speaker 1: Like one person on your streets a slaver and you're

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Speaker 1: They formed societies like the Sister Dale Free Society based

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Speaker 1: end in don't live where the slavers with guns can

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Speaker 1: Ohio later. A radical newspaper that tried to push anti

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Speaker 1: The newspaper was called the San Antonio Zeitungue, which means newspaper.

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Speaker 1: It's subtitle translated to a social democratic paper for the

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Speaker 1: Germans in Western Texas. Because when you have to name

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Speaker 2: Do what you know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? The newspaper that like is the reason we celebrate

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Speaker 1: May Day was called Arbitter's Tongue, which means worker newspaper.

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Speaker 1: So I need it's all there, Yeah, exactly, that's what

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Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be fans. Yeah, partsy shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's principal editor. Uh. The san Antotiose Tongue was

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Speaker 1: a German immigrant named Adolf. Do I Adolf? I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: call him Adolf because due is harder pronounced. But it's

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Speaker 1: going to be funny to call him Adolf the whole time,

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Speaker 3: There's there was a good one before there was a

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Speaker 1: It's actually another Adolf in the Chicago Haymarket story who

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Speaker 2: I mean it just takes one. Yeah, it takes one

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Speaker 2: one monster. Yeah, and other stuff, but especially the name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our Adolf had lived a wildlife already before he

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Speaker 1: moved to Texas. Yeah, the good Adolph. He had five

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Speaker 1: treason might as well have been his middle name. That

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Speaker 1: visiting journalist wrote about him, I never saw a man

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Speaker 3: our is bad Adolf? pH or F?

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Speaker 3: No, it's an f F.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay. The other Adolf from Chicago is pH Okay,

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Speaker 3: Even who is the spelling?

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Speaker 1: Really, that man needs to go back and change his

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Speaker 3: But that's quote you just read. It's like the antithesis

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Speaker 3: say about this man. I'm sure there's bad stuff, but

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Speaker 2: He painted.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he painted, but I bet they're good.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be creepy if they were like similarly like

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Speaker 1: Like nothing to write home about, but not terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's fine, like I don't know you yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But who did try to cancel? Adolph was the slavers.

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Speaker 1: A culture war stirred up when he started publishing anti

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Speaker 1: wing boycott of his paper was gaining ground, and he

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Speaker 1: was losing subscribers and advertisers. Do I was not the

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Speaker 1: kept threatening to lynch him, which was, to be clear,

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Speaker 1: a very real threat. An awful lot of anti slavery folks,

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Speaker 1: white and black, were getting lynched in Texas at the time.

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Speaker 1: He kept going, He and the other folks around him

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Speaker 1: went harder. Together they formed what was called the Free

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Speaker 1: Soil Texas Movement. It is a movement to make Texas

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Speaker 1: a free state. And when I think of like states

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Speaker 1: that would probably be hard to make a free state,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think Texas is where I would like

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not the first Yeah, good luck to them, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: And so eventually, in nineteen fifty five, I don't know

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Speaker 1: but hard and revolutionaries are hard to fuck with. He

436
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: doesn't back down, this Texas asshole. Not another guy. The

437
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: editor of the Texas State Times, swaggers over with a

438
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: friend like into his office and insists that Adolph prints

439
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: a retraction for an article about whatever fucking thing. And

440
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: Adolph is like, no, I'm good, I'm just not going

441
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: to do that. And so this slavery stand takes a

442
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: swing at him, and so Adolf beats the shit out

443
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: of him. And I think this is a quote from

444
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: his autobiography that he quote quietly beat him up until

445
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: he bled the word quietly is.

446
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, that says everything about that situation and that person.

447
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: And like that's the scene in the movie where like

448
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: the real sketchy fight scenes are the ones where the

449
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: music stops.

450
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, It's like it's just like this intense focus.

451
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 2: It's yes, you have one goal and you know efficiency.

452
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: It's just exactly totally. Another time, twelve pro slavery folks

453
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: showed up at his office in San Antonio and said

454
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: they were going to lynch him. So twelve of his friends,

455
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: this is why, I know is a larger movement. He's

456
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: like the one who becomes the central figure. But so

457
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: twelve of his friends take to the roof with guns

458
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: and then Adolph's father, an old soldier, himself, barricades the

459
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: door and sets up with a gun, And in.

460
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: Adolph's autobiography he talks about how like this is like

461
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: his father's, like feeling youthful and excited and feels great again.

462
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: You know, we are at the fucking barrack, reinvigorated.

463
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for him.

464
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: The pro slavery folks took one look at the situation

465
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: and got the fuck out of town.

466
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: Nice quietly left.

467
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and quietly until they bled. But the tide

468
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: was turning against the larger Texas Free Soil movement. New

469
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: settlers in Texas were more and more pro slavery, and

470
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: so some other forty eight ers were like, look, we've lost.

471
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: They said, quote, do not induce any good man to

472
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: settle here. It's not gonna work. We should try elsewhere.

473
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: The Anglo whites were not being won over by and large,

474
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: and the German folks were more and more afraid to

475
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: speak up for liberty and were distancing themselves from the radicals.

476
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: So by nineteen fifty six it was just eight off

477
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: see me eighteen eighteen, I do mean eighteen fifty six. Yeah,

478
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: they didn't run this for one hundred and many four

479
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: years or whatever. Yeah, that seems crazy to me. Yeah,

480
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: Adolphin is very elderly. Father. At this point, they're running

481
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: the paper by themselves, both the German and English one,

482
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: and then the Spanish one. I think that just like

483
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: everyone's like fled this cause, and they are like, we

484
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: are not giving up. We are antislaver propagandists. We are

485
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: going to keep doing this. They type said it all.

486
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: They worked fourteen hour days trying to stem the tide

487
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: of slavery until basically he was broke and he couldn't

488
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: make enough money selling the paper to eat. He was

489
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: forced to sell the paper to a conservative in order

490
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: to survive, like the only person who would buy it,

491
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: I think, which delighted in destroying it, and he and

492
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: presumably his father moved back up to New York. I

493
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: know nothing about his family, because why would people talk

494
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: about women in books. I actually kind of get the

495
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: impression of this man was a bachelor though, but I

496
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: don't know. He kept up his work as a journalist

497
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: and he started speaking around the country, drumming up support

498
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: among the German population for anti slavery. He did not stop.

499
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: He just got out of the South.

500
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: He just left.

501
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly when Texas seceded in the Civil War. They

502
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: cited slavery as the primary cause of it. I think

503
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: everyone who listens to this know that the Civil War

504
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: was about slavery, but in case you didn't, that was

505
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: what Texas cited. At least sixty Unionists, mostly German forty

506
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 1: eight ers who hadn't previously fled Texas tried to make

507
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: a break for it to the Mexico border, but they

508
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: were caught by a Confederate army and they were killed

509
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: to a person. And this ended one of the largest

510
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: white attempts at spreading abolitionist rhetoric in the deepest into

511
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: slave country you can go. But then the Union army

512
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: kicked the shit out of the fucking piece of shit

513
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: slavers in Texas became a free state by force of arms.

514
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: And here's the heartwarming twist, ending Adolph's own press, like

515
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: the physical press that he printed with, was taken up

516
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: by the first black owned newspaper in Texas. They sent

517
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: him a copy. On the front page it said, quote

518
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: this newspaper, the first to be founded in Texas by negroes,

519
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: was printed on the same press which doctor Adolph dou

520
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: I founded in San Antonio in eighteen fifty three, in

521
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: order to combat slavery. It will be a great satisfaction

522
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: to him that the freed slaves of Texas gratefully remember

523
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: his dangerous and courageous agitation on their behalf.

524
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: That's nice.

525
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: You know, I got a little tiary when I was

526
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: just reading it.

527
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so many I'm good for. Don't take this

528
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: out of context. Good for aight off.

529
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: You know what's really tragic. I've been thinking about this

530
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 3: is not what happened, But wouldn't it be sad if

531
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: Adolf Hitler's mom named Adolf after.

532
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: Oh my God, Yeah, oh oh God in his memory?

533
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: And so now I'm going to go over to Cincinnati,

534
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: the city that is most known as I thought it

535
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: was spelled with two t's and only two ends, but

536
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: it's only one tea.

537
00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: It's one tea.

538
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: The reason is most known as that is because when

539
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: I do my edits at the end of the thing,

540
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: I did a lot of changing how I spelled it

541
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: right very quickly. When I'm sketching out the drafts of

542
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: these episodes.

543
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: Birthplace of ninety eight degrees. That's a boy nick Lache,

544
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: It is a boy band. Yeah, they got they got

545
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: him to do the voice of the tram for about

546
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: a year that they wait, really, I don't know what

547
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: the tram is. They built I left, Yeah, they built it.

548
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: Trams is nawty. It's like years after I moved away

549
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: from Ohio and I visited once and the voice is

550
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: like nick Lache, like, yeah, they changed it shortly after,

551
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: but it's very, very jarring and the weird that's so funny.

552
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I like how Ohio is, like it's the state that

553
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: is the most self contained. Like no one talks about

554
00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: Ohio unless you live there, and then it has everything thing.

555
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: It's like its own world.

556
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's got everything you need. It's just flat

557
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: and you kind of want to.

558
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah know, everyone leaves it. Yeah, there's a reason that

559
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: no one talks about it. But there's a lot there

560
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of cities that start with C and I

561
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: don't know which ones are where because they all start

562
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: with the same letter and they're roughly the same length.

563
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: I can't use any of my to determine what's the

564
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: same as Like recently, I had to interact with someone

565
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: named Josh and someone named Jack, I think, and I

566
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: was like trying to explain to them that I was like,

567
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: you are the same person in my head until I

568
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: see you physically, and you better have different haircuts. Yeah,

569
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: no offense. And if someone's like I can't tell the

570
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: difference between a Margaret and a Claudia, you understand, it's fine. Anyway. Cincinnati,

571
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: Cincinnati was right on the border with Kentucky, which is

572
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: a slave state. Ohio is a free state. It was

573
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: also full of racists, like every other part of the North,

574
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: but maybe especially Ohio. But but it's also just everywhere

575
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: so racist that it's hard to say, like really only

576
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: like Massachusetts is like trying to come out of this

577
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: looking as good as possible, you know. Yeah, Pennsylvania's full

578
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: of Quakers, Okay, whatever. Anyway, Ohio racist but not slavery racist.

579
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: That's where I'm gonna That's what I'm gonna call it.

580
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: So black people came into Cincinnati looking for something like

581
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: a modicum of freedom. They made up about three percent

582
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: of the city's population in the run up to the war,

583
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: mostly living in a poor black neighborhood called Little Africa

584
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: or more racistly, Bucktown, either of those ring a bell.

585
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: Not familiar with either ra though so awesome.

586
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: Some lived, however, in over the Rhine, which was the

587
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: working class immigrant German neighborhood. I don't know if that

588
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: one that I'm familiar with Over the Rhine is still

589
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: over the Rhine. You are the hero of the rest

590
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: of this episode.

591
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: There we go. That's probably why the name stuck.

592
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: Around, because did they actually have a proud history for

593
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: this part. Cincinnati was a hub for working class forty

594
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: eight or agitation. A lot of the German tech free

595
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: soil stuff was a little bit more middle class. This

596
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: is like the fucking I don't know, their job is

597
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: probably lumber shover, you know. Thirty thousand of them showed up.

598
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Forty eight ers showed up and hit the ground running.

599
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Moving into Cincinnati, a working man's club was formed to

600
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: fight for better wages. Freethinkers clubs were formed to debate

601
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: the topics of the day. They were socialists, they were atheists,

602
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: they were abolitionists. They fought the know nothings in the street,

603
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: getting into gun battles. They built militias to defend themselves

604
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: against the rioters. They set up like sharpshooter clubs, and

605
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: they were called the turners after the turn varying which

606
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: are these gymnastic clubs that existed in Germany to promote

607
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: German culture, physical fitness, and radical politics, which sounds really bad,

608
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: but again, nineteenth century is upside down times. The Republicans

609
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: are the left, the Germans are the gabolitionists. The Turners

610
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: took part in the eighteen forty eight reve and so

611
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: they kept the tradition going in the US. And this

612
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: is where the Turners kind of are are more known

613
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: for is the German American groups. And when I say

614
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: more known for, I mean the ten people who pay

615
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: attention to this, which now includes all of you listening.

616
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: And since everyone was still really into thinking in terms

617
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: of ethnicity and race. For the German immigrants, being in

618
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: favor of anti racism was an ethnic trait of the

619
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: German people that they were very proud of.

620
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: That's I love it. I love it.

621
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Us Teutonic people, we are the true anti racists. Nothing

622
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: bad will come.

623
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: Of this, and that's so silly, But I guess if

624
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna have an ethnic trade, I guess.

625
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, being anti racist, okay. And like, and you know,

626
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, they have like all these clubs and they're

627
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: like sending all these plays and doing all this cool shit,

628
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: they are working class people. And this is like a

629
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: thing that comes up a lot on the show is

630
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: that like immigerent cultures will have more cultural access than

631
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: like a white native born poor person in a lot

632
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: of ways at this time, because they built it, and

633
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: they were like, we want what rich people have, So

634
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna fucking do it. We're gonna throw picnics, We're

635
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna throw plays, We're gonna like just we're going to

636
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: talk about the fucking Dante or whatever. You know, yeah, live, yeah,

637
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: And the German Fortiators in Cincinnati were some of the

638
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: most direct and radical abolitionists in the country. They weren't

639
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: fucking around with like oh maybe twelve years, you know.

640
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: They were like, we call for an immediate federal ban

641
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: on slavery, not even like oh, we want this state

642
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: or that state to be They were like war to

643
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: the slavers. Fuck them. And while most white immigrant abolitionists

644
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: first and foremostly connected with white na native abolitionists, the

645
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Fourtiators connected with the black community directly, which makes sense.

646
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: Black schools started teaching German as the language to connect

647
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: them with their radical friends, and it was Ohio black

648
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: groups who had been fundraising for the revolution.

649
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Right.

650
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: One time, a white journalist named William Connolly was imprisoned

651
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: for hiding fugitive slaves. And I don't think he was

652
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: German based on the name, assuming he was Scottish or

653
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: Irish or something. And so the German population came out

654
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: and supported him because he was imprisoned for hiding fugitive slaves.

655
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: When he was released, they met him at the jail

656
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: in the pouring rain and led a torchlight procession for

657
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: their hero because it didn't matter that he wasn't German.

658
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: They're doing what's right. And while there's a ton of

659
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: cool individual folks in that scene, there's like black intellectuals,

660
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: and there's a native born white Catholic who was excommunicated

661
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: for preaching too hard against slavery. I'm going to focus

662
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: on a figure, a guy named August Willich, who was

663
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: a former Prussian noble who became a communist in his thirties,

664
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: fought in the revolutionchallenged Marks to a duel. This is

665
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: probably why I included him.

666
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: Your tone when you even said that, I was like,

667
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: that's why.

668
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like organized uncompromising interracial solidarity in Ohio raised two

669
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: regiments of German immigrants to fight the Confederacy in the

670
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: war beat the Texas Rangers was a general who led

671
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: from the front even of he was in his like

672
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: mid fifties, and he survived the war and I really

673
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: like him. But what I also like is swords. This

674
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: episode is brought to you by swords. In the the

675
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Union Army had swords. It's true you can buy replicas. Unfortunately,

676
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: it's way easier to buy replicas of Confederate swords. But

677
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: you can buy a replica Union sword, or if you're rich,

678
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: you can buy me a real Union sword. I actually

679
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: don't have a po box. I don't want people sending

680
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: me random packages. But you know what, if you're buying

681
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: me a real sword, you can reach out to me.

682
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out o boxes for you. But this

683
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: episode brought to you by swords. Everyone likes swords.

684
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: And we're back.

685
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: What was your favorite medieval weapon that we advertised during

686
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: the break.

687
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: Was good?

688
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: A lot of moving parts, that's true. Good for fighting skeletons.

689
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: You know, good for fighting skeletons. I'm kind of using

690
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: for exercises, true practice, jump rope, a lot a lot

691
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: of with the mace.

692
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: Serene Okay, some other time I'm going to ask.

693
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: You for you Well, you're not going to make it

694
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: if you don't have a weapon. I don't know, they're old.

695
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: All I'm thinking about is that spiky ball. But that's

696
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: not a real thing, is it.

697
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: So that's feeling. It's what Cody meant when Cody said mace.

698
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: It is literally exactly what I meant.

699
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: Great, okay, that's what I think.

700
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: Picked.

701
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's called a flail. A mace actually doesn't have

702
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: any moving parts. It's a ball on a city.

703
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: Doesn't have movie. I was thinking exactly. I had a

704
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: delve into my like, no, that's not actually mace doesn't

705
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: have the movie.

706
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: Well flail, right, No, flails are great, spikey ball hell yeah.

707
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: August Wilich was born Johann August Ernst von Wilich in

708
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: eighteen ten. You will be shocked to know with the

709
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: name Johann August Ernst von Wilich. He was born into

710
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: the landed nobility of Prussia in a part that is

711
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: now Poland. He was orphaned at three, but I think

712
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: he was just like still like brought up in noble times,

713
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: like off to school or whatever. I don't know what

714
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: happened him at three. He stayed noble for thirty six years.

715
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: He did what he was supposed to do his landed nobility.

716
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: He spent nineteen years sir in the Prussian Army as

717
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: a captain. But while he was in the army, he

718
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: was reading, and he was reading philosophy. And if you're

719
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: reading philosophy in like the middle of the nineteenth century

720
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: in Europe, you're reading radical philosophy. And he was like,

721
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: oh shit, we shouldn't treat workers like we do.

722
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: And I love that.

723
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, whenever I would meet like philosophy

724
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: majors when I was younger, I imagine them just like, okay,

725
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: when I met when I met imaginary philosophy majors. In

726
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: my head, they'd be smoking cigarettes and talking about how

727
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: nothing as meaning, you know, and they wouldn't be talking

728
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: about like why the workers need to be free. But

729
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: actually turns out that even in nihilism, that's a big

730
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: part of it. So he's reading all this stuff and

731
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: in eighteen forty six he resigns his commission in an

732
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: open letter against the aristocracy. It is so strongly worded

733
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: that they arrest him in court martial him Yeah. He

734
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: comes out. He's like he's thirty five or thirty six,

735
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: and he's like, I have become a radical, and he

736
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: he fucking meant it.

737
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: Don't let people read. Yeah, that's exactly I think. It's

738
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: just like people shouldn't be read.

739
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: Move to Florida, and two years later they eventually let

740
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: him out, let him leave the army after he serves

741
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: his time. Two years later, the revolution breaks out, and

742
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: so he goes to war against the aristocracy and he's

743
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: leading troops and he has fucking Frederick Engels, like of

744
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: Marx and Engels as his aide de camp, the guy

745
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: helping him, right, But he refuses to be treated better

746
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: than his soldiers, and he takes no special privileges. He's

747
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: just probably the one who should be in charge because

748
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: he's the nineteen year officer who's led a whole lot

749
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: of troops into battle. Before you know, the revolution loses.

750
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: He goes into exile in England, where he starts butting

751
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: heads with Karl Marx, who set out that revolution. He

752
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: considered Karl Marx too conservative. But what they actually got

753
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: into an argument about in the end was that Willis

754
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: wanted to build more of a popular front and was

755
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: like willing to work with like Democrats, and Marx was like, no,

756
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: we shouldn't do that, and so will resigned from the

757
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: Communist League. Then he like went back to a meeting

758
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: just to insult Marx and challenge him to a duel.

759
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: Do you love this so much?

760
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: This is the thing, this is a Yeah, my dream job,

761
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: it is being him. My secondary dream job is talking

762
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, talk about him. But if you could

763
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: be Carl Marx does not fight Karl Marx rights. So

764
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: Carl Marx sent a proxy to dual Willitch in Belgium,

765
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: and Wilich wounded the guy. And because he's fucking August Willich,

766
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to fucking duel August Wilich. What are

767
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: you talking about? This man has been an army officer

768
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: for nineteen years and at this point he's like, Europe

769
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: is not for me. I kind of burned bridges of

770
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: the Communist League. Here Mark seems to be in charge.

771
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: I tried to kill him. That's there for you except Cincinnati.

772
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Well he did okay. First he goes to Brooklyn and

773
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: he's a carpenter for a while Brooklyn, and then he's

774
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: doing math with the US Coastal survey. And then he

775
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: moves to Cincinnati, the town with only one T in

776
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: its name, to edit a German newspaper, and that's where

777
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: he is for a while. They build this entire subculture

778
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, like all the best movements they had. I

779
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: already said some of this, but it's in the script,

780
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: so I'm just going to keep going. They built a

781
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: shooting club and had picnics and put on plays and

782
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: organized interracial solidarity as best as they can. They went

783
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: through elaborate efforts to unite people across ethnic and religious lines,

784
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: like you have an ex Catholic preacher going to a

785
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: Jewish neighborhood to talk, and they're bringing Hindu speakers to

786
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: talk at their congregations. And they just did the hard

787
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: and thankless work of building movements, because these movements are

788
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: really split along religious lines, right, because now you have

789
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: all these like atheist abolitionists. But then people are like, no,

790
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: we're doing abolition because God told us to. And you know,

791
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: we don't want to talk to you. You're all weird socialists.

792
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, we are weird socialists. We want endslavery,

793
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: You want endslavery. Can we just fucking.

794
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: Slavery, but we all agree exact bigger.

795
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: Problem here it is called the Confederacy. Well so called

796
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: that yet, but it will be soon. On December fourth,

797
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty nine, a few months after John Brown and

798
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: his friends raided Harper's Ferry. Basically, when John Brown dies,

799
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: the whole abolitionist world is like, oh, fuck, he's our guy.

800
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: Well most of them. Some of them are like, oh,

801
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: he's a little extreme. I support his ideas, but not

802
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: that violence part, you know, But maybe like twelve years

803
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: of like yeah, totally, yeah, it's good enough for a

804
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: number of apostles. I think those twelve or maybe it

805
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: was thirteen. I don't actually know. I'm good at stuff

806
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: and uh. Anyway, So there's big rallies and gatherings and

807
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: memorials all over the country, especially the parts where you

808
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: won't get shot for doing it, like the North. On

809
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: December fourth, eighteen fifty nine, the German working class socialists

810
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: throw a memorial for their fallen hero and it brings

811
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: together all of these groups that they've been working with

812
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: to unite white and black, showing up and sitting side

813
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: by side. And this is a huge deal.

814
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: Even most the.

815
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: Abolitionist movement, anti slavery movement, blah blah blah, are not

816
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: socializing inter racially, and at this they are. And the

817
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: American flag, the German Republican flag which is red, black

818
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: and gold, and the flag from an African American contingent

819
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: that I want to know so badly what was But

820
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: all I have is they brought their flag.

821
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: Oh I want to see that flag.

822
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: I know what fucking flag was it? I'm aware of

823
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: only twentieth century Like I mean, I'm sure there's other ones, right,

824
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: but I've my attempts to find have only found twentieth century,

825
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: like African American flags. But they brought a flag and

826
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: it was also on display, and people from each contingent

827
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: came up and spoke. You know, there's like sort of

828
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: the white religious groups and then there was black groups.

829
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: And August Willich was the German speaker at the event,

830
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: and I think he spoke in English, but he told

831
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: the crowd that they should quote what their sabers and

832
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: nerve their arms for the day of retrotion, when all

833
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: slavers and their supporters would quote be crushed into a

834
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: common grave.

835
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: Ooh that's good.

836
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's real solid and like, it's not empty words.

837
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: The crowd roars and approval, and they are all willing

838
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: to get directly involved. After the service, the crowd gathers

839
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: up torches and led a procession through downtown Cincinnati despite

840
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: numerous threats from the racists. And this freaks people the

841
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: fuck out. The mainstream press hated the forty eight ers

842
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. One paper wrote, their politics have ever been

843
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: the most degraded of the most degraded stamp, and the

844
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: most dangerous character to the peace and welfare of this nation.

845
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: And that quote. They recognize no distinction of color in

846
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: their social intercourse, and if anything, consider a negro a

847
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: little better than a white man.

848
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: Oh, it sounds like Jesus to me.

849
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: You do it.

850
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: And the Turners, the German folks, they're organizing around these

851
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: like gymnastics societies. Right, they don't wait for a war

852
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: to be announced before they start drilling and training and

853
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: will it is just like, all right, we're about to

854
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: be an army. Let's set up a fucking army. So

855
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: they're kind of the first union soldiers. Yeah, at least

856
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: the first like volunteers. I can't remember whether we had

857
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: to stand out.

858
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: Cultural working class Coalition Army.

859
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their units were ethnically divided because the Union

860
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: Army when it starts is racist, right, and it takes

861
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: a long time for black soldiers to be able to fight.

862
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: They're mostly like digging ditches and shit. But yeah, and

863
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: so then, to quote a twenty seventeen article from Cincinnati Magazine,

864
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: because Cincinnati knows it's zeros. Quote, when the Civil War

865
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: erupted Cincinnati, Germans responded so quickly that within a week,

866
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred men had enlisted in what became the legendary

867
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: ninth Ohio Infantry Regiment, and August is the most experienced commander.

868
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: But they went with a non German leader who was

869
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: like friends with all the Germans. For political reasons. They

870
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we gotta have a non German so

871
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: that people actually give us money for uniforms and shit.

872
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: You know. So he drilled the ninth. He was like

873
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: second in command. He drilled the ninth, He marched them

874
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: to Virginia, and then he went home and started another regiment. Yeah,

875
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: or he didn't go home, I guess he went to Indiana.

876
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: He started Indiana's thirty second, which is another German regiment,

877
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 1: and he was the commander of that one. Hell yeah,

878
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: Cincinnati was one of the most aggressively anti Confederate cities

879
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: in the nation. And I know I've talked shit on

880
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: Irish Americans throughout this entire episode. They came out and

881
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: droves two. The Irish Montgomery Brigade was one of the

882
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: first units to come out of the city. As the

883
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: war dragged on, Some Irish and German workers, the ones

884
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: who weren't all fighting, and I think not the Turners,

885
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe, not the Turners, but that's because

886
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I want them to be great, turned their back on

887
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: blackfellow workers. And there were race riots in Cincinnati as

888
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: well as like everywhere else. There was one thing that

889
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: happened earlier where at one point some black folks showed

890
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: up to a Turner event and they were turned away

891
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: for being black. And so then the Turners had like

892
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: a come to Jesus moment where they were like, you

893
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: turned people away for being black at our events? What

894
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: the fuck? And so then they codified we don't turn

895
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: people away for being black, and like kind of went

896
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: from being anti slavery to abolitionist by that standard.

897
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: You know that's good. Sometimes you gotta yeah, yeah, get

898
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: a little you gotta do something foolish and stang your mind.

899
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Cincinnati the Radical Press overall, like most papers

900
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: are like kind of downplaying slavery as the reason because

901
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: they're afraid of plausant race riots. The Cincinnati Radical Press

902
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: is like, we say what we mean. Not only is

903
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: anti slay' very the reason to fight, it's actually the

904
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: only legitimate war goal, which I think means like, look,

905
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: you can't really get mad at people for succeeding. You

906
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: can get mad at people for owning people, right, yeah,

907
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: which is my take on the Civil War. And the

908
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: thing that they said really specifically, and it's where the

909
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: book We Are the Revolutionists gets its name from, is

910
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: that they're like, we are having a revolution. The revolution

911
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: is against slavery, like the counter revolution is the Confederacy, right,

912
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: And it's a semantic difference, but it kind of matters,

913
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: and it's like one that people don't talk about now. Right.

914
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: It's like.

915
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: I famously have the word sedition tattooed across my hands

916
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: and I got really mad on January sixth. You know, Oh,

917
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: I know, like I have friends who are insurrectionists. That

918
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: is their political position. It means that they don't believe in,

919
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: like waiting to organize a mass movement before fighting for

920
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: what they believe in. It sucks when these words get

921
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: taken by people embarrassing day. I'm just like for this,

922
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: you're doing this for this?

923
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: Yes, what do you what? Do you get it together?

924
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 4: Yeah?

925
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

926
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, like refocusing to like the war is against slavery,

927
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: this like keeping yeah, keeping the union together, doing this

928
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: and this and this. That's like that happened as a

929
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: result of the war that we started, which is against

930
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: slavery exactly.

931
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like you could look at the

932
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: same thing and draw a different conclusion. But this is

933
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: why they fought. This is why the Turners marched to

934
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: war and were some of the first people and were

935
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: prepared beforehand, and we're training for it, you know.

936
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

937
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: And so Wilich went to war. He beat the fucking

938
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers. He led from the front. His troops called

939
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: him Papa Willich. He regularly gave lectures, not just about

940
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: like philosophy, like I mean one and why is he

941
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: giving any lectures? But he's just like, hey, comin, I'm

942
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: going to give lectures about philosophy. And also like astronomy

943
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: and shit to his soldiers.

944
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: God, he's so cool, I know.

945
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: Okay, then here's your Hollywood moment that I haven't seen

946
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: in another battle. His forces are starting to flag and

947
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: they're about to rout, and this is relayed by a

948
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: higher up general. I don't remember whether Willich is a

949
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: general yet at this point, but if he never hits

950
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: like high general, he's like low general whatever. I didn't

951
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: write down this specific thing because it didn't I didn't

952
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: understand it. So this other general, higher general sees this happen.

953
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: Willich's troops are starting to rout, which is the most

954
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: dangerous time in a battle. Once you route, that's when

955
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: you just get gunned down and everyone dies run away.

956
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: It's it's an unordered retreat. Retreat is like, hey, we're

957
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: gonna get out of here carefully. Rout is like fuck run,

958
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: And that's like, especially in medieval battles, that's like when

959
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: almost everyone who dies dies. You scare them until they run,

960
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: and then you chase them down with cavalry and.

961
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: It's chaos and you're not you're focused.

962
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: So his troops are about to be routed, so he

963
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: rides his horse to the front of them in the

964
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: middle of this fucking battle. He turns his back to

965
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: the enemy and he has his soldiers drill do their

966
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: like manual of arms like hold the rifle, load the

967
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: right like like practice while some of them are dying

968
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: like while they're getting shot. The effect, according to a

969
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: general who watched quote, was magical. This stopped the route

970
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: and they stayed in the fight. And even though some

971
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: of them died while drilling in the middle of a battle,

972
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: it kept the morale up and kept a lot of

973
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: them alive.

974
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 4: Wow.

975
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Later his horse was shot and he was captured. He

976
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: spent I think five months in a pow camp before

977
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: he was traded in an exchange, and apparently he like

978
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: spent the whole time he was in jail like planning

979
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: more tactics, of course, and when he came out he

980
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: invented a bunch of new tactics around rapid fire attacks

981
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: and using bugle calls to direct his troops. Supposedly, this

982
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: is like the guy who invented using bugle calls to

983
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: uh direct your troops. To me, this seems so obvious that,

984
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: of course everyone has been doing it forever. But he's

985
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: a German communist who tried to kill Karl Marx, who

986
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: did it?

987
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took five months in Fiodovi camp to come up. Yeah.

988
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: Later he loses the use of his right arm when

989
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: it's injured in a battle. He keeps going. He does

990
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: not leave, but he came up with a new way

991
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: to have another. Totally, Karl Marx would have liked. Karl

992
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: Marks might have been right about the thing that we're

993
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: fighting about. I don't know, we don't even know.

994
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

995
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: I'd have to read the autobiography of his daughter to

996
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: find out more about that, because it's just read a

997
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: kind of low context quote about it from that book. Anyway,

998
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: So he stays in. He stays until the fucking war

999
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: is one. He once wrote to a friend in eighteen

1000
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: sixty two. Middle of the war, he writes to a friend, quote,

1001
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: working toward a solution of the social problem and calling

1002
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: attention to it is and will remain the only purpose

1003
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: of my life. This work alone not only makes life

1004
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: bearable but worth living in my eyes.

1005
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 2: What a guy, Hell of a guy.

1006
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: It took fucking Zelotz d end slavery. Yeah, yeah, focused

1007
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: violent zealots, Yes, totally. And so that's the German communist

1008
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: general of the Union Army who once tried to duel

1009
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: car Marks. And there were well so many other forty

1010
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: eight ers who fought slavery in whatever way. Whenever I

1011
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: do an eight million part episode on like John Brown

1012
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: and the Gorilla Resistance to Slavery, I'll get to talk

1013
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: about Charles Kaiser and August Bondi, who were forty eight

1014
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: ers who joined John Brown's Gorilla gang. Carl Schurz is

1015
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: probably the most famous German forty eight er. He was

1016
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: a general in the Union Army in the Civil War.

1017
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: Later he went on to be pretty boring. He joined

1018
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: the like liberal Republican Party, which was basically like Reconstructions

1019
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: too radical. So Kimo A tenth of the Union Army

1020
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: was born in Germany, and it was German volunteers who

1021
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: kept Saint Louis and therefore Missouri from falling to the

1022
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: Confederacy at the outbreak of the war.

1023
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: That's not nothing.

1024
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: No, it's not one state, a big old battleground when

1025
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 1: there's like only fucking I don't know how many states

1026
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: or the time twenty forty seventy, I don't know, seven

1027
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: probably probably used to be about seventy States at least seventy. Yeah,

1028
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: anytime I do an episode about chattel slavery, I really

1029
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: need to nail home the point that the Thirteenth Amendment

1030
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: was written with a loophole. It reads, neither slavery nor

1031
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party

1032
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: shall have been duly convicted, shall exist. Within the United States,

1033
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: prison labor is slavery. One point two million people are

1034
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: currently enslaved by the car sool system in the United States.

1035
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: There is an abolitionist movement right now that tries to

1036
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: end prison slavery. So if you want to know what

1037
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: you would be doing during times when there's abolitionists, it's

1038
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: now that's my episode. What do you all think about

1039
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: the forty eight ers.

1040
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: Good for Germans during that period?

1041
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, would never have thought.

1042
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: But that also Cincinnati, Yeah, during that period of time

1043
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 2: as well, some of Cincinnati like Cincinnati's like some of Cincinnati.

1044
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: I guess I'm not saying like Cincinnati's a successively racist place,

1045
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: but I was surprised by some of that information.

1046
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the trajectory of alcohol and Germans is kind of

1047
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: wild to have observed in the last century or two

1048
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: that's crazy.

1049
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: The pro drinking Germans were on the right side of

1050
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: history in nineteenth century America.

1051
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: Something that you got to fight for your right to party. Yeah, true,

1052
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 4: that was awesome, though I liked you for your Reich party.

1053
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: Oh no, sorry, they did fight the Reich. That was

1054
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 4: a thing they did.

1055
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: That was part of their whole thing was that they

1056
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: did not like kings, so would have been the same

1057
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: Germans who would have also been anti fascist one hundred

1058
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: years later. If people want to hear about things that

1059
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: are happening now, do you have any options for them.

1060
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: I know it's much easier to find stuff out about

1061
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: old timey stuff, but Hi, you.

1062
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: Can find me all over the place. I do all

1063
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff, not about the past. Usually we talked

1064
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: about the past. We talk about the present. Mostly. You

1065
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: circle is you can watch Ohio native jd Vance ordered

1066
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: donuts in the worst way possibly. It's so funny.

1067
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: You work here, You work here long? Where are you

1068
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: driving to? Had anything to drink tonight? Sir?

1069
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: Phrase you use whatever makes sense? When I asked about like,

1070
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: he's like a glaze some sprinkles. Whatever makes sense. The

1071
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: weirdest thing you could possibly saying? Donuts imagine ordering in

1072
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: a restaurant. Whatever makes sense. Well, I don't know you, sir, anyway,

1073
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: we don't even talk about that guy, right. I have

1074
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: a show called some More News I host on YouTube,

1075
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: and there's a podcast called even more News, and sometimes

1076
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: we do a podcast called way Less News because who

1077
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: likes talking about the news? Very rarely, but we're doing

1078
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: it more because it's fun. And I've got a band

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Speaker 2: called the Hot Shapes if you'd like to check them

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00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 2: out on places not Spotify currently but maybe soon. And

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00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm doctor mister Cody on social media. I think that's

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Speaker 2: the end of that sentence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, good sense. I have a substack. It's Margaret

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00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: Kildroid at substack dot com and it is where I

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00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: write things about how I feel about current events and history.

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00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: And half of them are personal and for people who

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00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: pay me money, and half of them are free and

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00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: are more political and you know, how to be an

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00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: activist or build movements or whatever it is I talk

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00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: about and care about. I'm not entirely sure I don't

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00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: care about anything. Oh I'm a nihilist. That's not true. Actually,

1092
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: actually now, I do weirdly care about a lot of things,

1093
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: but one time, I was playing concertina loudly outside this Starbucks,

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00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: very badly, and I was trying to get some money

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: because I didn't have any money at concertina, and I

1096
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: was playing very badly, and this guy comes up and

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00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, i'll give you a dollar if you

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00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: moved to the other street. Oh, And I was like no,

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00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: and he was like I think. I was like, I'll

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00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: give you ten dollars and he was like no. And

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00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you're drink at Starbucks. I'm not

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00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. And he's like, oh, it's a protest

1103
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, it's not protest. I'm a nihilist,

1104
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: which isn't true then or now, but I was just

1105
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: feeling salty. And he was like, i'll give you a dollar.

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00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: You can spell nihilist, and so I spelled nihilist and

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00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: he gave me a dollar and then he went and

1108
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: sat back down. He was a man of his word.

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00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: Did he keep playing.

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Speaker 1: I played for like long enough to feel like I

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: had won, and then I left because I don't actually

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: like playing music when I know that people hate it. Yeah.

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00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no exactly. You have you bury that feeling, though,

1114
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: to make them feel bad. For a little extra time. Yeah,

1115
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: and then get out.

1116
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: And then I got an accordion and got halfway good

1117
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: at it, and I no longer made annoying noises and

1118
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: that was a much better instrument to play on the

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00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: street for me. That's my story about why I don't

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00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: know why I'm talking about this train.

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Speaker 2: You guy, then you want to plug.

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Speaker 3: I sometimes host it could happen here, or join another

1123
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 3: host on it could happen here, and talk about stuff

1124
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 3: A lot of palsigne stuff recently, or when I'm not

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00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: talking about that and getting really depressed, I talk about

1126
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: food and history and stuff like that.

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00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: So hell yeah, we.

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Speaker 2: Love food in history, the food of the mind.

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, I'm gonna have to do an alcohol episode. I'm

1130
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: so fascinated with how alcohol rebranded itself.

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00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: It's I know, yeah, so successfully, one of the most

1132
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: successful rebrands of all time. Genuinely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.

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00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: And it also ties into like early white feminism was

1135
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: very into the temperance movement, but some of them were

1136
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: actually rad and many of them weren't, and so it

1137
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: was just all tied together in weird ways pro and

1138
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,439
Speaker 1: anti drinking. Yeah, way more political than I ever could

1139
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: have imagined. Yeah, all right, I'll see you all later.

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Speaker 2: Cool Goodbye.

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Speaker 1: Cool People who did Cool Stuff is a production of

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